25W: Is Bobby Going to ESPN? + Ed McCaffrey on Being a Dad vs Former Player to His Sons + An Update on Eddie's Seasoning Business + Beauty & The Beast Review

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Bobby Bones Show – "25W: Is Bobby Going to ESPN? + Ed McCaffrey on Being a Dad vs Former Player to His Sons + An Update on Eddie's Seasoning Business + Beauty & The Beast Review"

Date: November 17, 2025
Host: Bobby Bones (Premiere Networks)
Notable Guests: Ed McCaffrey (NFL legend)
Core Contributors: Eddie, Brandon

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Episode Overview

In this dynamic episode of "The Bobby Bones Show," the crew dives into recent sports rumors, with Bobby addressing speculation about a move to ESPN. The show features an engaging interview with three-time Super Bowl champ Ed McCaffrey, who opens up about both his condiment business and life as a football parent. Eddie provides an update on his long-awaited seasoning business, and the group wraps up with a lively, comedic review of "Beauty and the Beast." The episode delivers the show’s signature mix of sports insights, personal anecdotes, and banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bobby Bones and ESPN Rumors

• Rumor Addressed: Bobby clarifies he is not moving to ESPN, despite appearing as a “dark horse” successor to Paul Finebaum in a recent article ([05:59]).
  • Quote: “Hey, I'll address it here. I'm not going to ESPN, everybody. There was an article that came out... Bones is a dark horse, but he's hugely popular in the region as a country music talk personality.” ([06:07])
• Bobby’s reaction is light-hearted but confident—he believes he could do well at ESPN but doesn’t want a pay cut or the logistical hassle.
  • Quote: “I have the capabilities to do that and crush it and be as good or better than anybody on that list. I have to think that. I have to think irrationally about myself or nobody else will.” ([10:37])
• Behind the scenes: Bobby admits he’s naturally introverted before interviews, referencing a note from Colbie Caillat about appearing “cold” pre-show and his efforts to warm up to guests. ([08:13–09:40])

2. Sports Talk: Bets, Blunders & Viral Moments

• Betting Woes: The team laments a losing streak with their parlays, sharing frustration and fun stories about how they try to mix things up (like letting kids pick opposite bets) ([11:00]).
• Notable Sports Moments:
  • SEC Drama: Analysis of the Texas A&M comeback and a cop shoving South Carolina players—a moment Bobby calls a “douchebag move,” while still affirming support for law enforcement. ([26:05–28:33])
  • NFL & Fantasy: Recap of NFL games, noting the quality despite a lackluster slate on paper. Shoutouts to Jalen Hurts, A.J. Brown, and discussion of fantasy frustrations. ([30:30–36:06])
  • Viral Clips: Discussion of the viral crowd fight at a UFC event and the confusion around Tua’s supposed “Jerusalem” comments—questioning authenticity in the age of AI highlights. ([31:16–34:43])
  • Feel-Good High School Football: Heartwarming segment about a Texas football coach engineering a play to give a special needs player a touchdown. ([39:41–40:21])
  • "Stolen" Touchdowns: The team debates the ethics/funny side of a player recovering a blocked punt instead of letting the original blocker score. ([41:26–42:16])

3. Eddie’s Seasoning Business Update

• Progress: Eddie shares the rollercoaster of trying to launch his own seasoning line—“we’re in business, baby... well, getting there.”
  • He details struggles to get the taste and texture right with “co-packers” and the difficulty in moving from kitchen to store shelves. ([42:38–44:33])
  • Quote: "It's a healthy baby though. We're happy with it—a crawling five-year-old." ([44:30])

4. Interview with Ed McCaffrey

• Entry into the Food Business: Ed describes launching Rocky Mountain Mustard, the process of developing flavors, and the joys/frustrations of the business.
  • Quote: “We’re in the business of making good food taste better. That’s the goal.” – Ed McCaffrey ([50:52])
• Football-Centric Insights:
  • Injury & Recovery: Ed opens up about his rehab from a tibia/fibula fracture and the mentality needed for an athlete (and now a dad of athletes) facing setbacks.
    • Quote: “You start setting little daily goals... and you just slowly accomplish one little goal at a time until you’re back on the field.” ([58:14])
  • Life as a Sports Dad: Sharing lessons with sons like Christian McCaffrey, Ed emphasizes being supportive but aware they must make their own way.
  • Broncos Glory Days: Stories from the 100-catch season with Rod Smith, the Super Bowl era, and Mike Shanahan’s legacy as a coach ([58:25–63:05]).
  • Humor: On Denver International Airport conspiracies: "There's absolutely some secret stuff happening at the Denver International Airport. I'm not at liberty to discuss it. There is stuff going on." ([64:21])

5. Pop Culture: Musical Theater Review

• "Beauty and the Beast" Live Review ([71:22]):
  • Eddie delights in the technical production, acting, and singing, awarding it 4.2 out of 5 “Beasts.”
    • Quote: "The people in the crowd were... a show in itself—kids and grown adults all dressed up as well." ([71:49])
  • Bobby riffs on the culture of theater, his wife’s Broadway past, and the odd emotional moments of musical endings.
  • The group riffs on the experience of seeing musicals, offering anecdotes and comic asides—especially about the unpredictability of audience reactions.

6. Odds & Ends (Banter, Trivia, and Listener Engagement)

• On Guest Interviews: Bobby and crew debate if a Zoom interview “counts” compared to in-person chats (referencing Adam Sandler, Jimmy Buffett, Maury Povich) ([17:19]).
• Celebrity Numbers: Bobby playfully discusses having the contact info for his “white whale” interviews, like Mark Grace and David Letterman, but being hesitant to initiate ([14:00]).
• Listener Call to Action: Listeners encouraged to follow the revamped show Instagram (@25whistlessports) and leave comments for a chance to win a shoutout or prize ([84:48]).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Bobby Bones on Self-Confidence:
  “I have to think irrationally about myself or nobody else will. Right. So I think I would do that job better than anybody.” ([10:37])

• On Sports Fandom and Boundaries:
  “If you’re ever, like, a fan of an artist, they’re never gonna be your friend… because it creates an awkward dynamic.” ([16:51])

• Ed McCaffrey on Condiments:
  “I’ll put our spicy brown mustard up against any mustard on the planet.” ([51:28])

• On Accountability and Empathy (re cop shoved SC player):
  “That was a douchebag move. I’d also like to say I’ve done stupid things... That sucked, right?” ([26:30])

• On Football Obsession:
  “I don’t like going from that early [NFL Europe games] until 9:00 clock at night… My stamina is not there.” ([83:16])

• Playful Dig at Theater Review:
  “Spoiler alert: at the end, they lift him up, flash all these lights, and suddenly, he’s a human again. The guy next to us goes, ‘Oh my God!’ Did you not know that was coming?” ([75:47])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• ESPN Rumors / Paul Finebaum Successor: [05:59]–[11:00]
• Sports Betting Woes & Fun: [11:00]–[14:00]
• Cop Shoving Players / SEC Talk: [26:05]–[30:08]
• NFL Recap & Fantasy Talk: [30:30]–[36:10]
• Viral Sports Clips / Tua & AI Fakes: [31:16]–[34:43]
• Wholesome High School Football Story: [39:41]–[40:21]
• Eddie’s Seasoning Business Update: [42:38]–[44:33]
• Ed McCaffrey Interview (Condiments, Parenting, Injury, Broncos): [47:15]–[64:48]
• Beauty and the Beast Review & Theater Banter: [71:22]–[76:13]
• Show Instagram, Listener Engagement: [84:42]–[85:32]

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode is rich in self-aware humor, camaraderie, and honest reflection, seamlessly blending pop culture, sports analysis, and real-life challenges. Bobby’s self-deprecating tone, the cast’s banter, and Ed McCaffrey’s sincere insights create a listening experience that is both fun and insightful—perfect for fans of the show or those interested in sports, entrepreneurship, or just good stories.

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Social Handles & Listener Interaction:
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Listeners are encouraged to comment for a chance to be featured or win a prize.

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In summary:
This episode stands out for its blend of genuine sports talk, entrepreneurial hustle, personal stories, and classic Bobby Bones humor. Whether you’re into SEC football, condiment startups, or musical theater, you’ll find something engaging here.

Transcript

[Bobby Bones]

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[Brandon]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Brandon]

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[Bobby Bones]

It feels like it's trying to divide people. We got clear facts.

[Eddie]

Maybe we can calm down a little.

[Ed McCaffrey]

NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the Facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America.

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[Brandon]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Brandon]

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[Bobby Bones]

I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.

[Brandon]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Bobby Bones]

And they all wear a whistle yet stupid.

[Brandon]

But why did you expect. It's a podcast called 25 Whistles.

[Bobby Bones]

25 Whistles. Hey, blow that whistle, Eddie. Thank you. I had asked Eddie this question. I'm just going to play it. So Eddie, don't. Don't spoil it yet.

[Brandon]

I'm not saying anything.

[Bobby Bones]

But I asked Eddie, I said, hey, I've had zero things. This is the thing. I've had nothing ever in my butt. I guess a colonoscopy, but here you go. Okay. Things I've stuck in my butt. Zero things. But let me ask Eddie what he stuck in his butt.

[Brandon]

Jumper cables, spare tire, fishing rod. There's a fishing bucket, there's a football, there's a basketball, baseball gloves. I think that's it.

[Eddie]

Were you just in your garage?

[Brandon]

No, he asked me. He asked me separately. Didn't hear the him Record the first part and he comes up to Me like, hey, will you do this TikTok thing with me? I'm just going to ask you a generic question. What do you have in the back of your car right now? I'm going to report that as inappropriate.

[Bobby Bones]

I watched those all weekend and laugh so hard. The trend.

[Brandon]

I didn't.

[Bobby Bones]

I knew you wouldn't have seen the trend.

[Brandon]

No, I didn't see it. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Didn't see. When you said fishing pole, I laughed. You can hear me.

[Brandon]

A big old fishing pole.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're back.

[Brandon]

That's dumb.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, I'll address it here. I'm not going to espn, everybody. There was an article that came out. I don't know if you guys saw the article.

[Brandon]

I did see a little something.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

You were a dark horse, though, huh?

[Bobby Bones]

I was dark horse, yeah.

[Brandon]

Dark horse.

[Bobby Bones]

I've never been a dark horse. Let's see. The article is 11 Potential Successors to Paul Feinbaum at ESPN. These top college football talkers are in prime position to move up if Mouth of the south leaves TV for a political run. Because Paul Feinbaum has said he wants to go run for office. And I like Paul a lot. And so they start listing people. Josh Pate, Greg McElroy. McElroy's played quarterback for Alabama. Cole Kubelik, Marty Smith, Ryan McGee. From Marty and McGee, Darinoka, Alyssa Lang, Peter Burns, Booger McFarlane and me.

[Eddie]

That's a list.

[Bobby Bones]

They had some good things to say about you, man. Bones is a dark horse, but he's. I was a little offended for you guys, though. Why? I'll read this. I'll tell you why. Bones is a dark horse, but he's hugely popular in the region as a country music talk personality. Syndicated at Nashville. He has some sports chops, hosting a weekly NFL podcast with Matt Castle and occasionally filling in for Rich Eisen. Bones is a die hard Arkansas fan and he would fit well on SEC network programming. Dang.

[Eddie]

Nothing about whistles.

[Bobby Bones]

Where the crabs 25 whistles.

[Brandon]

They just don't take us seriously.

[Bobby Bones]

Nobody takes us seriously. So I did have a bunch of people reach out, like, are you going to espn? As of right now, no. Only I don't know anything about it. I think it was just somebody making a list.

[Brandon]

You have done that show before. You've been a guest on that show.

[Bobby Bones]

A few times on Fine Bomb Show.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Done a great job.

[Bobby Bones]

I've been a guest a bunch of times. But I mean, that's just. He just wants to know Arkansas stupid stuff. That's easy. But yeah, I thought it was what's.

[Brandon]

He like as a person.

[Bobby Bones]

When the cameras are on? Super dynamic. When the cameras are off, you got nothing to say? I like him a lot because I would. Similarly to how I do this show and that I don't want to talk to anybody before we get on the air in any way whatsoever. I've had to openly force myself to be more warm when people just show up because I don't want to put any energy to anything that's not being recorded.

[Brandon]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

And I think it was Colby Calais who came in, and she was like, yeah, you're kind of cold. And I was like, oh, dang.

[Brandon]

And she told you that you were just acting cold, like she thought he.

[Bobby Bones]

Was mad at her.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Oh.

[Bobby Bones]

And I was like, no, I just want to waste any energy on anything before we start. But it was. It was a good note for me because I don't feel like I'm. My heart's not cold toward the person. I'm going, hey, thank you for coming. Let's just get started. Because I just want to hit it with anything we have. But that can be interpreted as cold. So now I've made an absolute effort, and I was glad she gave me this note. That's what you say. Thanks for the note. Because I do am warmer to people now when they show up, like, for a bobbycast, because I don't want them feeling that way, because I do not feel cold. I'm excited they're here. I just want all that to come out. Being recorded, I want it to come across as I feel it. But, yeah, I love that she told.

[Brandon]

You that, though, because I think most people would just be like, well, that was weird. When I first walked in.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, we were doing some sort of. And I've known Colby for a little bit, but we were doing some sort of, like, evaluation. Brandon, what were you doing? How did that come up? She was talking about how insecure she is. Oh. And how people will think she, like, is not nice. And I was saying the same, like, if I'm in a. If I'm not working, like, I'm the most introverted person she is, too. Yeah. And she said on that note, like, when I first came in, you were really cold. And I took that as, oh, I guess he doesn't like me. Yes.

[Brandon]

That's funny.

[Bobby Bones]

And I said, thank you for the note. I totally understand why you would think that. But here's what's happening in my head. One, they don't even really want to be here. They're doing this for whatever promotional reason. And two, anything we have, let's just go ahead and put it on the mic in that order. And so was both of us just.

[Eddie]

Kind of fighting and you're not one for small talk?

[Bobby Bones]

I hate it. Yeah.

[Eddie]

Like a lot of people, I don't mind small talk.

[Bobby Bones]

Eddie, Eddie, Eddie Major.

[Eddie]

Eddie's the king.

[Brandon]

I prefer small talk. I don't want to be serious with someone. I don't have time to be serious.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, yeah, Eddie. If you look at his degree from Sam Houston in small talk, Broadcast journalism.

[Brandon]

Minor in small talk.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. So that's what he's like. But always super gracious. Anytime I ever ask him to come on anything, it's a yes. Anytime he asked me to come on anything, it's a yes. Like I really do like him, but I don't have any plans. I don't know if I could actually do it. Meaning I've time, you know? Time. Yeah, I don't. I have the capabilities. I have the capabilities to do that and crush it and be as good or better than anybody on that list. I have to think that. I have to think irrationally about myself or nobody else will. Right. So I think I would do that job better than anybody. However, I don't think I can it and I don't want to take a pay cut.

[Brandon]

Did you think about that when he. When he said that he was going to run for political office or not once? Or is this the first time you thought of it when you saw the list?

[Bobby Bones]

The only time I thought about anything like this. They asked me once if I would come and do some fill in stuff if he's on vacation and they shoot in Charlotte and I didn't want to miss the show.

[Brandon]

Oh, he's out of Charlotte.

[Bobby Bones]

Where L. A was a lot easier. Big time difference. It just didn't work out when they asked me to fill in. So that's.

[Brandon]

I like his set. His set just seems like. Where is he?

[Bobby Bones]

He's everywhere.

[Brandon]

In the woods somewhere.

[Bobby Bones]

He's everywhere. Like out the window. Do we hit our parlay?

[Eddie]

No, not even close.

[Brandon]

Uhoh, not even close.

[Eddie]

No. We were 0 for 3, boys.

[Bobby Bones]

Dang. Indiana, Damien cover.

[Eddie]

No, they won by 24. We had it at 28 and a half.

[Brandon]

That pisses me off when you.

[Eddie]

And then Ole Miss lost by. Or you lost the COVID by a point and a half.

[Brandon]

Oh, you lost.

[Eddie]

Oh, I lost two, Eddie. I lost the worst probably. I mean my, the. I had Alabama covering. Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

I gotta tell you guys, speaking of losing, I've lost so much money the.

[Brandon]

Last two weekends, same.

[Bobby Bones]

I. I can't do. I have weekends. I have months even where I'm like, dude, it didn't matter. I can close my eyes and push one and whatever it is, I'm the opposite right now. Like everything I've bet on, I have lost so much money in the past two weeks.

[Brandon]

See, I thought the same thing that you were thinking. So on Sunday morning I was like, that's it. I'm doing the opposite. So I gave the phone to my son, I said, whatever I tell you, click the opposite.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, getting your son gambling, that's a great.

[Brandon]

All my kids, they love it. Sunday morning's their favorite. Dude, that's awesome. On the way to church, they're like, dad, are we doing the parlay? Yes, sir, here's the phone. As I'm driving to church. But yeah, so, so I told, so I told my son, like, all right, you got bills. Bucks, right? And I was like, bills are going to win it. All right. He clicked bucks without even me knowing. So it didn't work.

[Eddie]

It didn't work.

[Brandon]

It didn't work.

[Eddie]

There goes that strategy.

[Bobby Bones]

I was a lad. My conkey touchdown away from everybody's always one pick away.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Yep.

[Bobby Bones]

But I hit Nico. I did a. I did four person anytime touchdowns. Nico Collins hit. James Cook hit. I did Josh Jacobs, but he got hurt. He may be gone for a while, huh?

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

What's.

[Brandon]

Because, okay, so if you would have gotten lad, they would have given you credit on that.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. So I know. I already. I got early exit eligible as soon as he went out.

[Brandon]

I got early exit on Aaron Rodgers.

[Bobby Bones]

Still didn't help us.

[Brandon]

Didn't help me.

[Bobby Bones]

You think Aaron. Because Aaron Rodgers hurt his left wrist, his non throwing wrist. Yeah. You think he plays. You think because they're playing the Bears and he kind of owns the Bears, you think he. He braces it up. I don't know how bad it is. Mondays are always weird because we really don't know what the injuries.

[Eddie]

Yeah, it said a possible broken. Like a broken bone or something is what I saw. So. But it's your left wrist, right?

[Brandon]

Yeah, but you mean you're out there.

[Bobby Bones]

People are hitting you? Correct.

[Brandon]

And your fall, you brace yourself with that left, you're done.

[Eddie]

That's true. But it is the Bears. To your point. He loves that left arm behind his back. Yeah, exactly.

[Brandon]

You know my son like he plays in the junior high football team. There was a kid that played with a cast.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, but you can do that.

[Eddie]

You can wrap it.

[Brandon]

So maybe just cast him up defensive players.

[Bobby Bones]

They'll use it as a club.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Oh, yeah.

[Eddie]

Not cool.

[Bobby Bones]

What's up?

[Eddie]

No, that just hurts, like when you're playing against them. They can use it as a club.

[Brandon]

So.

[Bobby Bones]

I have Mark Grace's cell phone number.

[Brandon]

Come on, let's call him.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm not calling.

[Brandon]

Prank call him.

[Bobby Bones]

He's been. He's one of my three white whales who haven't been able to catch Moby Dick. Reference. Mark Grace, David Letterman, Sting the Wrestler. I have a cell phone number.

[Eddie]

Did you just get it?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

May I ask how did you get that number?

[Bobby Bones]

You may ask Greg Swindell, who used to pitch for. We Won a World Series. With Swindell? Yeah, with the Diamondbacks. And they both go and do the fantasy camp where people like us go and play ball for a few days. That's what we should do next year is like, just go find a fan. I did the Coach Cal fantasy camp at Arkansas. Yeah, I wouldn't recommend that. Oh, oh, unless you're. Yeah, yeah.

[Brandon]

Didn't somebody go to the hospital?

[Bobby Bones]

Well, no, no, A lot of people went to the hospital. But unless you are playing a lot of full court pickup ball, it's hard to play. It says two deaths. Yeah, that.

[Brandon]

That's the death toll.

[Bobby Bones]

Not bad actually, if you play a lot of pickup ball because it's. It's a lot of ex college players and it's a bunch of people who do all these camps and travel around the country to do them.

[Brandon]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, and then most of them are ex college players and they bring in like some ringers too, because it's fun to play with other, like Mateen Cleaves played with. So if it were all guys like us, it'd be awesome. But it a little advanced. It's a little advanced.

[Eddie]

Okay. Yeah. Tough in basketball.

[Brandon]

Did you ask for the number or was it given to you? How did that go down?

[Bobby Bones]

I did their podcast. So there's a new podcast and it is Greg Swindell and it is Keith Moreland. Both played in the majors. Keith Moreland played football at Texas as well and played for the Cubs. And it's called like Zeke and Zonk. Is that what it's called? Zeke and Zonks Inside the Game? Yeah. So they had me on and I was just a guest. And what's funny is I'm open. I hate Texas. Haha. Texas lost to Georgia. And anyway, so we're doing the podcast and I was like, you played with Mark Grace? Like, I can't get a Hold of him. And he was like, oh, change his number. I was like, no. Ever, like, just can't get a hold of him. He never will respond to me. He doesn't know who I am because he thought I. Like, he, like, missed my call or something. Or he was like, oh, you can't get a hold of him? I mean, I could.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

He probably.

[Bobby Bones]

And I was like, no, no, no. He just has always avoided me. And so he called him and was like, hey, just sent me his number. I'm never going to call him. It's like, whenever I was given Bill Self's number from Bill Self's attorney who was like, a fan of the show, he's like, oh. I told him you call, and I just wouldn't call him. I was like, what do you mean? I'm like, call him.

[Eddie]

What about a text?

[Bobby Bones]

But what do I say?

[Brandon]

What do you say?

[Bobby Bones]

Kevin, there's nothing to say. I love you, man.

[Eddie]

You're on my white whale. Come on.

[Bobby Bones]

I wrote about him in my book.

[Eddie]

There you go.

[Brandon]

Yeah. And he know, right?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. But do I. No one's gonna be friends with me. Yeah. It's like this. If you're ever, like, a fan of an artist, they're never gonna be your friend.

[Brandon]

You're telling me Eddie Vedder is never gonna be my friend?

[Bobby Bones]

Never would he be your friend. Sorry, bro.

[Brandon]

In real life, like, there's no chance of that.

[Bobby Bones]

Not if he knew how much of a fan you were. Got it. Because it creates an awkward dynamic of, are they my friend because they're a fan? Are they? So, yeah, that's what's up. I have a number. Maybe I get him booked on something someday. I know. I don't want to interview him on Zoom because, Mike, I don't consider us as having interviewed Adam Sandler. For real.

[Brandon]

Nah.

[Bobby Bones]

Wasn't in person. We had him on Zoom.

[Brandon]

Oh, that doesn't count. Because I've told so many people that I've interviewed Jimmy Buffett, but that was on Zoom.

[Bobby Bones]

He was a guest on the show, but I don't really consider that a real. Unless you do it in person. I don't like a lot of zooms because you can't really connect. It's hard to connect with people.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Like, I have one coming up this week with Maury Povich.

[Brandon]

Oh, that's cool.

[Bobby Bones]

It is cool. But you always wonder if that barrier, that Zoom barrier. Because they have to come on being extra generous because you gotta in, like, normal conversations. Like, I have one tomorrow with Phil Rosenthal. Do you Know who that is? Yes.

[Brandon]

Little bow tie. No, that's Ken Rosenthal from baseball.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, that's close.

[Brandon]

At least that's who.

[Bobby Bones]

When the water got dumped and he was like, what the.

[Brandon]

That guy?

[Eddie]

Little mint syndrome?

[Bobby Bones]

Phil. So on Netflix, he has the show called Please Feed Phil. What's it called? Somebody feed somebody. Feed Phil. Okay. He created Everybody Loves Raymond.

[Brandon]

Oh, I know who that is. Yes. I saw him on the documentary about them going to Russia and did that show. Yes, yes.

[Bobby Bones]

So he came over for like an hour. That's awesome. It was awesome. And David Letterman, who's on my white well list, his production company is what started Raymond.

[Brandon]

Wow.

[Bobby Bones]

I have Letterman's number. I don't know. Brandon gave me a cell phone number, but we had it in person. And it was so good because we're talk. And like, if I'm saying something, he just. You can just interrupt. It's a weird way to say you can interrupt each other without it feeling weird or disjointed. On zoom. You kind of have to wait for that person to stop talking and then you get in. Because then you get like, what? Who?

[Brandon]

Yeah. Not a lot of good conversations happening. More like question, answer, question, answer.

[Bobby Bones]

So I don't consider the Sandler thing.

[Brandon]

Really I got you.

[Bobby Bones]

But you can if you want. Jimmy Buffett. It's all good.

[Brandon]

I've already told a lot of people about that.

[Bobby Bones]

No.

[Eddie]

Taking it back now.

[Brandon]

Hey, remember when I told you I interviewed you? Buffett. Take it back.

[Bobby Bones]

Alive.

[Brandon]

Alive.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Brandon]

I'm Robert Smith and this is Jacob Goldstein. And we used to host a show called Planet Money. And now we're back making this new podcast called Business History about the best ideas and people and businesses in history and some of the worst people, horrible ideas and destructive companies in the history of business. Having a genius idea without a need for it is nothing. It's like not having it at all. It's a very simple, elegant lesson. Make something people want. First episode, how Southwest Airlines use cheap seats and free whiskey to fight its way into the airline business. The most Texas story ever. There's a lot of mavericks in that story. We're going to have mavericks on the show. We have plenty of robber barons. So many robber barons. And you know what? They're not all bad. And we'll talk about some of the classic great moments of famous business geniuses, along with some of the darker moments that often get overlooked, like Thomas Edison and the electric chair. Listen to business history on the iHeartRadio.

[Bobby Bones]

App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Brandon]

On the podcast. Health stuff. We are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes, I'm Dr. Priyanka Walley, a double board certified physic.

[Brandon]

And I'm Hari Kondabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am on health stuff, we're.

[Bobby Bones]

Talking about health in a different way.

[Brandon]

It's not only about what we can do to improve our health, but also.

[Bobby Bones]

What our health says about us and.

[Brandon]

The way we're living. Like our episode where we look at diabetes in the United states.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.

[Brandon]

How preventable is type 2? Extremely.

[Bobby Bones]

Or our in depth analysis of how incredible mangoes are.

[Brandon]

Oh, it's hard to explain to rest of the world that like, your mangoes are fine because mangoes are incredible, but like, you don't even know.

[Eddie]

You don't know. You don't know.

[Bobby Bones]

It's going to be a fun ride. So tune in.

[Brandon]

Listen to health stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

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[Bobby Bones]

From cleaning canary cages to this night here in New York, it's a long ways.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

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[Bobby Bones]

I would like to say this too, and I hope this is accepted in the way that I mean it. I love the police.

[Brandon]

Oh, like Roxanne?

[Bobby Bones]

Nope. Like police officers who go out every single day and risk their lives.

[Brandon]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

I have. I have not only publicly raised, but personally given because I back the blue.

[Brandon]

Oh, is this the cop?

[Bobby Bones]

The cop? Yeah, yeah.

[Brandon]

Shoulder pad.

[Bobby Bones]

Douchebag.

[Eddie]

Douche.

[Bobby Bones]

Douchebag move. You can't. The cop who went in the South Carolina player.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Horrible.

[Eddie]

For two of them.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, yeah. And you. And you know what's funny? I'm glad you said that, because the one he hit the hardest was the one we can really see on camera that much. We really only see the middle one, but he hit the dude. Douchebag. Now, I do not think he should lose his job. Everybody wants to go, let's fire everybody right away when they do something stupid. That was stupid. That was a douchebag move. I'd also like to say I've done stupid things and I've done douchebag things. That was a douchebag move. He got relieved from the game. If he's been a good cop and everything's good.

[Brandon]

Yeah, check the record.

[Bobby Bones]

It's just. It's just a little slap and learn from it. We all make mistakes. But, dude, that sucked, right?

[Eddie]

Yeah. I was watching it live and I was like, wait, did that really just happen?

[Brandon]

Oh, they showed it live on tv.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, then they kept showing it over and over. You saw it over and over, right?

[Brandon]

Yes.

[Eddie]

But, yeah, it was live. They still had the camera on the player running into the tunnel and coming out. And you saw the whole thing happen live. And I'm like, what a douchebag.

[Bobby Bones]

I can't be a bigger backer of the blue. It's one of the.

[Eddie]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Bobby Bones]

But that. One instant, there are fans of this show that have heard me be douchebags. And it doesn't mean they stop being fans of anything we do. They just know Bobby's human and sometimes says or does things that are douchebaggy. And that was one of those things.

[Eddie]

Now, is that getting too close to your fandom? Because obviously, he's a fan of A and M, I assume. And he was just pissed that they scored a long touchdown and they were upsetting him. I assume.

[Bobby Bones]

You have to be. You have a gun on you. Oh, God. When you have a gun on you, there are different rules to separate yourself. Yes. You can't be emotional because of a game if you have a gun on you for any reason.

[Eddie]

Good point.

[Bobby Bones]

I wonder. And I played it out of my head because he bumped them both. And the one in the middle is like, yo, why did you just do that? And what if the. What if the cop turned around, said something? He's like, oh, yeah. And then he arrests them and, like, puts him. Oh, rest him in helmet. Because I don't think we were far from that, if I'm being honest.

[Eddie]

Well, I'm surprised. The first thing I thought of was the players actually acted really cool.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I agree.

[Eddie]

Because they could have been like, yo, what the. And then just like, cop. I know, but you're 20 years old. Like, you just don't know.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, caught off guard, though.

[Eddie]

They're like, what?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And I mean that. Yeah. After a big play like that, too, emotions are high, and you just never know.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I didn't like that. I hope that cop straightens it up, straightens it out.

[Eddie]

He's done with the games, right?

[Bobby Bones]

When I say he was relieved of that game, I would not put it back on.

[Brandon]

You're back on patrol, dude.

[Bobby Bones]

No, you're at the desk for a while.

[Brandon]

You're at the desk answering calls.

[Eddie]

We need to do a desk pop.

[Bobby Bones]

You're getting cats out of trees for about two months. That's it. This guy's got to go to thank you Thanksgiving.

[Eddie]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

With his family. He's going. He's gonna get it.

[Brandon]

That's funny, man.

[Eddie]

I'm surprised I haven't seen his name yet.

[Bobby Bones]

You know what? Don't. Don't.

[Eddie]

And I don't want. I don't want to. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I hope they don't dox him. I don't think he.

[Eddie]

Because mob mentality is no joke, dude.

[Bobby Bones]

That. I just thought, man. What a freaking loser in that moment. As someone who's also been a loser in many moments, I'm glad you keep.

[Eddie]

Saying that in that moment.

[Bobby Bones]

But how. That game was crazy.

[Brandon]

Crazy.

[Bobby Bones]

I couldn't believe it. I didn't even bet it. So I. What, 33 half?

[Eddie]

30 to 3.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. I stopped watching in the first half when I got out of control because in my head I'm thinking, A M's gonna come back. A and M's gonna come back for sure. A and M's gonna come back. Halftime comes. And I was like, man, should I go and just bet a little bit on A M and the points? And I'm like, I don't want to touch it. Because I was rooting for South Carolina. I have nothing against A M. That's.

[Brandon]

Always a struggle when you're rooting for the team.

[Bobby Bones]

And like Shane Beamer and the Alabama game didn't work out for them and they've been close and so I was like. And so. But I didn't watch it. I just kept watching it tick up on the. On the score and I was like, I'm not going over to it. Just hold. Because if I start watching it, I feel like the worst thing possible is going to happen. Anytime I jump on a game, whatever I don't want to happen happens. That's what I feel like. So I'm like, I'm staying off, I'm staying off, I'm staying off. And I didn't watch it. I saw the highlights later. But it was.

[Eddie]

Yeah, it was rough. I felt bad for South Carolina fans because I'm like, you, I root for him just like internally from when we went there. But that was rough, man.

[Bobby Bones]

That was rough.

[Brandon]

I think it was the biggest comeback in school history for A and M. I believe it.

[Bobby Bones]

It may be like one of the biggest comebacks in SEC.

[Eddie]

Yeah, I saw something about like282.0 and leading by 27 and a half in the SEC and they were the one lost now.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, yeah, that was a bad one. So I did that. I got a couple other things though, from my notes. I think the NFL games turned out to be pretty good. Like did on paper. It wasn't the sexiest slate of games, but the games ended up being a bunch of one score games that were. That were pretty good.

[Brandon]

Yeah, the whole day was pretty good.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay.

[Brandon]

I wrote cop to SC player except the night game. I don't know.

[Bobby Bones]

I didn't watch it.

[Brandon]

I went to bed a half smart.

[Bobby Bones]

Eagles and I'm winning that, right?

[Brandon]

Yeah. They did, but I mean, they just couldn't score like, I think.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, the Eagles can score last game either.

[Eddie]

No, their defense is their whole team right now.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I have. As my quarterback, I have. Jalen Hurts on my fantasy teams. And he still gets decent points because he runs.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And he scores a rushing touchdown.

[Bobby Bones]

Push.

[Brandon]

Push, man.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I. Did you watch the fight in the crowd at the UFC fight?

[Brandon]

I didn't. I didn't see the fight. I watched the fights, but I guess that was during commercial. Didn't see the actual fight, but opposite.

[Bobby Bones]

Of me, I don't watch the fights. I only saw the fight. Social media. Yeah.

[Eddie]

So we.

[Bobby Bones]

Yin and yang on that one. I don't watch the fights, but I watched that many times. And so. And you can tell me about. Because I saw Dana White band somebody specific.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

But it was hilarious because all the dudes fighting are bald. It looks like a bunch of.

[Eddie]

Hey, what's up? What's wrong with that?

[Bobby Bones]

It's just a bunch of, like, bald dudes just going at it. A bunch of bald heads. I didn't know who the guy was that Danny even banned. Is he a fighter?

[Brandon]

I. I know who he is. I don't even remember his name.

[Eddie]

Dylan Danis.

[Brandon]

Who's it.

[Bobby Bones]

Right.

[Eddie]

Dylan Danis.

[Brandon]

No, it was the other one. Whoever he fought with was the bigger fighter.

[Bobby Bones]

The guy's name, who even. Who won that fight, though, his name is Islam. And I saw a post that said Islam's at the White House, and people were getting all pissed because I guess he took a picture.

[Brandon]

He took a picture. His name is Islam.

[Bobby Bones]

Dude.

[Eddie]

I'm a casual messenger.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm a casual. As much as you can be a casual, I'm a casual. And it was Dana White and the fighter and Trump, and it said Islam at the White House. And so I'm always up for good comment.

[Brandon]

I gotta see this dude.

[Bobby Bones]

And it was everybody like, trump has betrayed us. He's not Christian. And then I'm like, no, no, no, no.

[Brandon]

He's a fighter.

[Bobby Bones]

Regardless of what his religion is. The headline really meant the guy's name. Yeah, Islam. Although I thought to myself then, whomever wrote the headline, that's pretty smart.

[Brandon]

They knew what kind of.

[Bobby Bones]

They knew what kind of. For sure. Yeah.

[Eddie]

Did I get got by? Did you see the tua's comments after the game, Jerusalem?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I think I thought I didn't spend enough on it, but I was just.

[Eddie]

I didn't know. I just saw AI anymore.

[Bobby Bones]

And I just saw.

[Eddie]

I watched it and it looks real But I'm like, I'm just gonna stay away from it.

[Brandon]

What did he say?

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I just saw it written, so I didn't even see AI where they were. Because that game was in Spain.

[Eddie]

Yeah, Madrid.

[Brandon]

Madrid.

[Bobby Bones]

And so they have that football game in Spain. Miami wins. They beat the commanders. It was an early game. Thank God those are over.

[Eddie]

God, that game was awful.

[Bobby Bones]

It's a bad game. And then they were like, overtime. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I did. You know, I blocked that out of my mind. Just that game. I think I blocked it out.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And they were like, hey, how do you feel about playing these games? Other countries? And he goes, yeah, it'd be cool. Like, next, maybe Jerusalem.

[Brandon]

Oh, well. Well, to be fair, they had. They did. They did them all kind of in London first, Right. Like the last few seasons.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes.

[Brandon]

Now Germany, this is the first, I think in Spain, they did Brazil.

[Eddie]

Yep.

[Brandon]

Earlier this year.

[Eddie]

So Mexico.

[Brandon]

Yeah, they've done Mexico. So maybe he's just.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't know if it was AI or not, but also, I didn't see a reason that that would be AI'd. I know there's the whole Israel. Anti Israel. Israel, Palestine, there's all that. But I didn't know if him saying that would be controversial as a player.

[Eddie]

It's just a lot of people I don't know, they took in were like, this guy's head is just like, he.

[Bobby Bones]

Shouldn'T have said that.

[Eddie]

Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm like, is this people just taking something running with it?

[Bobby Bones]

Can you check Brandon and see if he really said that?

[Eddie]

I pulled it up. It says that he said it would.

[Bobby Bones]

Be pretty cool to play a future NFL international game in Jerusalem. Adding, that'd be sick.

[Brandon]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

Did he say that it? Was it written by a source that actually saw it? He said, you want the clip. Yeah, but the clip could be AI too. But I thought he did say it, and I took no offense to anything.

[Brandon]

I didn't either.

[Bobby Bones]

What the crap do I care where they want to play games? And if you want to go to Israel and see, that's awesome.

[Brandon]

It's like a bucket list, right? Like, Fiji would be cool, but I guess there's no, oh, Australia. The nice island's not Australia.

[Bobby Bones]

It's right off the coast, but it's not Australia.

[Brandon]

No, no, it's Fiji. Yeah. Yeah.

[Eddie]

Fiji is Fiji.

[Brandon]

I thought of a plate. Like, if they were to ask me, I'd be like, oh, Fiji would be cool.

[Bobby Bones]

Let me see if I get offended. Go ahead. I'll hit It. Shoot. It'd be pretty cool to. To go play in Jerusalem.

[Brandon]

I don't know.

[Bobby Bones]

That'd be sick.

[Brandon]

Why does it sound like Muhammad Ali is there too?

[Bobby Bones]

It sounds like he's doing it through a phone, like a press conference to a speaker. Like Charlie's Angels. We're listening to that little speaker?

[Eddie]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Everybody just wants to get mad about something. Okay. We're in a rage, rage environment.

[Brandon]

Speaking of, what do you think about A.J. brown and his.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, don't put him in your fantasy team.

[Brandon]

I love that dude. I wish all of my fantasy players would tell me that ahead of time. Okay, cool. I won't. I'll bet you.

[Bobby Bones]

He's obviously irritated that he's not getting the ball.

[Brandon]

He got some targets last night, so.

[Bobby Bones]

I. I think if I were him, I would be a lot more irritated if everybody was getting the ball but him. That they just can't. They're just right. Right. You know who else is who should say that is Justin Jefferson. Because J.J. mcCarthy sucks and Justin Jefferson.

[Eddie]

Wants to punch him in the face.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

You see?

[Ed McCaffrey]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, he gets so mad.

[Brandon]

Good for him, though. Like, I saw him struggling to throw.

[Bobby Bones]

His helmet, like, and then he laid it down.

[Brandon]

He's like, you know what? I'm not gonna do that.

[Bobby Bones]

He put it down hard, but he laid it down. I'm gonna say it. I'd be a better quarterback than J.J. mcCarthy. 100%.

[Brandon]

No, guys, stop, stop.

[Bobby Bones]

It's like when someone says some college team will beat the Browns like idiots. Ever.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Like, so dumb.

[Bobby Bones]

I think I could play quarterback better than J.J. which is not. Not true in any way. I'm just kidding. But that, That's. That's an ugly offense to watch. And they still almost won. The freaking Bears.

[Brandon]

The Bears. Winning.

[Bobby Bones]

Winning. Yeah. And regardless of what bad teams they beat and how they win, they're going to make the playoffs. Same with the Broncos. And the Broncos had a good win. Thing about this word about the Broncos is they have been beating sucky teams in weird ways and that. What? They didn't beat a sucky team in a weird way. That's a good. I hate that they won because we have a bunch of money on the Chiefs for our year long league, but man, they win games.

[Eddie]

Yeah, I was surprised they won that one. And they were down. They easily could have lost me. Like, man, we played tough, but they came back and they won it.

[Brandon]

Did you see the ref run into Peyton?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Yeah. Hard. And those are hard.

[Brandon]

From the ground.

[Eddie]

I didn't see that.

[Bobby Bones]

Peyton Was on the white line.

[Brandon]

You can't do that, man.

[Bobby Bones]

Payton was. Not Payton, man.

[Eddie]

Oh, I was thinking Peyton.

[Bobby Bones]

I know, I know. Sean Payton.

[Brandon]

I can see why you think that.

[Bobby Bones]

Had his clipboard on the white line and the ref is running through because I think it was at the interception maybe that Mahomes threw and they're going the other way. I don't remember possibly, but the ref is hauling butt and just boom. Like it hurt. Both of them.

[Brandon]

Yeah, they weren't looking. They weren't looking at each other.

[Bobby Bones]

And so the ref, as he's down, like squirming, he throws his flag.

[Brandon]

You could see him searching for the flag, like on the ground, like, where is that?

[Bobby Bones]

I don't know if he was twitching because of a seizure or if he was looking for his flag.

[Brandon]

I'll tell you though, man, as someone.

[Eddie]

You see it, he fell hard.

[Bobby Bones]

It hurt to see. Yeah.

[Eddie]

And then he just. On one knee. Screw it.

[Bobby Bones]

Yep.

[Eddie]

Throw the flag.

[Brandon]

That's someone on the chain gang. I'll tell you, man, you got to keep those white, those white lines, you got to keep them open.

[Eddie]

Experience coming through.

[Bobby Bones]

I watched this video. There are two teams in the state championship of Texas or in the playoffs. And the two teams were. Sundown was one team. Yeah. Did you see the clip? No, but you know Sundown, we played Sundown in high school and. And there's another school called Wink and Wink. Do you know them both? Okay. And so it was 40 to 6. One of the teams were winning and there was a. It was over. So, man, I wish I had knew the exact details, but. So let's just say sundown was up 40, Wink had six. That's the end of the. There's like eight seconds left in the game. Sundown with 40 points is on like their two yard line. So they have to drive 98 yards, but they're up 34 points. They're not going to do that. They're just going to need take the game out. So their coach calls timeout up 40 to 6 on their own 2 yard line. Their coach calls timeout, starts walking across the field to the other side. And the announcers, their high school announcers, like, well, Jimbo, what do you think you're doing over there? It's, it's typical high school announcers, but they're even wondering what's going on. The other coach who just got pounded comes out and they start talking and I'm ready for a fist fight. And instead that coach who was down had the six points. They had like A. A kid who got in earlier on a play, like, all year, like, he just wanted to play. It was like one of those nice things. You let somebody play. He let him play on, like, a kickoff or a kickoff return or something. He was like, hey, we don't mind fumbling the ball in the end zone if you want him to score a touchdown.

[Brandon]

Wow.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, that's cool. It was. It was cool.

[Eddie]

Okay. I thought you're gonna. I thought it was going a different way.

[Brandon]

No, no, no, man.

[Bobby Bones]

So the quarterback, instead of takes the snap, they put in the kid. And I'm not sure what his. I don't even want to say disability, because I don't know that it was a disability.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

But they put him in, and the quarterback fumbles the ball, and the other kid runs and covers it up. And the team that only had six points, well, now they have 12. They were so happy for the kid. It was awesome.

[Brandon]

That's really cool.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And I don't always. I've seen so many of those. I'm not equally as moved as I have. After you've seen 100 of those, it's still really cool. But you're like, oh, that's cool. This one was good.

[Brandon]

You know what's interesting is I've always wondered how they communicate that when they do that. Now it's a timeout.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, that one was specifically. I think the other one's probably pre game.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

There's a conversation.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Let me look and see if I saved it.

[Eddie]

I saw one the other day, and this is why I kind of had that look where everyone was on the same page except for one player.

[Bobby Bones]

No, he killed me.

[Eddie]

Tackle.

[Bobby Bones]

He like, running Smash.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And then as soon as he realized what he did, he put his hands.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, on his head. Yeah. Everyone's like, what are you doing? I was equally as entertained by that one. And I'm.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Some of the.

[Bobby Bones]

Some of those. That. That story of sundown, that's the. Just of the story. I might have messed up a couple of the details, but it was really great. It was really great. So I like that. And here's. I'll do another one. We can clip this and put this as a clip on our show and put in the real, real clip. But there's. On Instagram, the whole question is, did he steal his touchdown? So blocks a punt. He's, like, fighting, fighting, fighting. And another guy runs up beside him and just falls on it. So he blocks the punt, and he's trying to pick it up the whole time and it, like, rolls in the end zone. There's nobody else around, but this other player runs in and just jumps on it.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Eddie]

That's my fault.

[Brandon]

That's kind of like when someone steals your joke. Like, you tell a funny joke, and then somebody else tells it later, and they get all the credit.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm not mad at the guy. No, because it's instinct. It's on the ground, and you don't know who's surrounding you. Eddie, watch it again, okay? See if you have the same reaction here. Here we go.

[Brandon]

Box the punt. He's about to get it. He's got. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. I mean, the guy that blocked the punt, he had it in his hands.

[Bobby Bones]

Took it out of his hand.

[Brandon]

That was his block. Punt.

[Bobby Bones]

TD block.

[Brandon]

And he didn't get it.

[Bobby Bones]

Got it, got it.

[Brandon]

Get it, get it.

[Bobby Bones]

The other guy's just chasing him, though. It's a block, and they're all just chasing the ball.

[Brandon]

Yeah, but there isn't another, like, another person.

[Bobby Bones]

You don't look around. I know you're not like, let's evaluate, dude.

[Eddie]

It's happening so fast.

[Bobby Bones]

Looks to be all clear. So that was kind of fun.

[Brandon]

That is funny.

[Bobby Bones]

All right, let's get over to Ed McCaffrey, which, by the way, the first thing I want to talk to Ed about is he's got, like, a mustard business. Yeah. How is. And I want to talk about that first. And they're not even really. He wasn't really coming on. Talk about that. But I know you've been trying to start your.

[Brandon]

Hey, I have, man. I've been trying to start a little something something. We're in the works of it, but it'd be cool to hear something.

[Bobby Bones]

But where are you? Tell everybody what you're trying to start.

[Brandon]

I'm starting some seasonings. And so where I'm at is we have.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you know about this?

[Eddie]

Briefly.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. How long ago did you start thinking about this?

[Brandon]

I had a meeting with Kroger over chicken. I wanted to start my chicken business.

[Bobby Bones]

The meeting from Kroger, Where'd that come from?

[Brandon]

I saw a guy at Kroger who recognized me from the show. He worked for Kroger, and then on the show, we started talking about chicken. And he's like, dude, anytime you want to talk about chicken at Kroger, I'm your guy. Come, let's set up a meeting. So we set up a meeting with a guy at Kroger about my chicken, and then another guy came in. Regional manager was like, man, we really don't do chickens. It's just not a thing that we like to get into. He's like, do you have a seasoning or anything? I'm like, do I have a seasoning? So I've been trying to work on getting a seasoning done so I can possibly put it on Kroger or whatever, start that. But it's taken forever to find a co packer to make the seasoning. Like I can make the seasoning at home, but to make a bunch of seasonings and bottle them, I need to find a co packer which we have finally found a co packer.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you get the taste right? Because you were like tasting all this stuff from the lab.

[Brandon]

So we would get samples back from co packers and be like, it's just not the texture I like, it's too powdery. Send it back. Have to find another co packer. But I think we found the right co packer and we're in business, baby.

[Bobby Bones]

But you've said we're in business the whole time and there is no business.

[Brandon]

No, it's an operation. We're slowly getting there. It's a baby steps because I wanted.

[Bobby Bones]

To be right and I haven't had a baby yet. But eventually babies start to walk, right?

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

They turn into fall. Yeah. Yeah.

[Eddie]

It's been talk.

[Brandon]

We've been. We've been for a while.

[Bobby Bones]

Years.

[Brandon]

A couple years.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

But now we're starting to crawl a little bit.

[Anabe/Washable Sofas Advertiser]

But we're.

[Bobby Bones]

We're. Oh. Slow developing.

[Brandon]

It's a healthy baby though. Healthy baby. And we're happy with it.

[Bobby Bones]

A crawling five year old. Yes.

[Brandon]

Getting there. And we love the baby either way, of course.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

What's the plan to.

[Brandon]

To produce this seasoning and sell it.

[Bobby Bones]

But how much of it? How. Where are you in the process if 100% is you're ready to sell it today, even just out of your house?

[Brandon]

Right now the process is getting a sample back from the new co packer. I'd say we're probably a. Oh, say he doesn't want. I say five months. I say five months.

[Bobby Bones]

You better say a year.

[Eddie]

And then you went to five.

[Bobby Bones]

He did because I said he doesn't want it. He doesn't want it.

[Eddie]

I didn't go from a year to.

[Brandon]

Five months because I was looking at next year, you know, like next year.

[Eddie]

Oh, like 20, 26.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

You weren't saying next year. You were saying.

[Brandon]

I say five or six months. We'll have something.

[Bobby Bones]

But what's something mean?

[Brandon]

Bottles.

[Eddie]

Like we try it.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

How do you try it, by the way. Do you put it on something, or you just try it by itself?

[Brandon]

First you try, you know, do a little taste test with your. With your tongue.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And then you try it on food. And which foods does it work on?

[Bobby Bones]

What's it called?

[Brandon]

I'm not gonna let that cat out of the bag yet, Brandon, but I appreciate your inquiry.

[Bobby Bones]

All right, Good job. That's pretty good. Anyway, Ed McCaffrey's got some.

[Eddie]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So because that. We're going to start with this. He played 13 seasons. I only remember him as a Bronco.

[Eddie]

No idea. He played for the Niners and won a Super Bowl.

[Bobby Bones]

Yep. Me either. Giants 49ers. Broncos. Won a Super bowl with the Niners. 95. Two Broncos Super Bowls in the 90s. After that, 55 career touchdowns, over 7,000 career receiving yards. Big thanks to Ed for coming on. He is a dad, the father of Christian McCaffrey and Luke, who's who, because of all the injuries, has had to play a lot and has played pretty well.

[Eddie]

But then he got hurt.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, he did get hurt. Collarbone. He also. Yes, I believe so. Or some would call it clavicle.

[Brandon]

That's the technical term.

[Bobby Bones]

Dr. Bones. He played quarterback in college and switched out to wide receivers last year. Yeah, yeah. At, like, Rice. I'm going from memory.

[Eddie]

Oh, you're right.

[Brandon]

Yeah, that's right.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. All right.

[Brandon]

Our kids. Smart kids. Didn't Christian go to Stanford?

[Bobby Bones]

Isn't there a third that coaches. That would be. I don't know, sorry.

[Eddie]

Thinking. The Mannings.

[Bobby Bones]

No, Arch. You think of the Harbaugh. Here he is, the great Ed McCaffrey. All right, so we have Ed McCaffrey on, somebody that I watched a lot as a kid, was a big fan of, and I'm sure everybody wants to talk football, Ed, but the first thing that I want to talk about, because my. My buddy here is also trying to, like, do sauces. And I know that you. Did you have your Rocky Mountain. Is that. Is that what. What's the brand called, ed?

[Ed McCaffrey]

Yeah, it's McCaffrey's Rocky Mountain Mustard and horseradish sauces. And we're looking to expand in other. Other categories as well.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. So maybe weird, but I want to talk about that first. Eddie, over to you.

[Brandon]

Ed, I think that's awesome. I'm also trying to do spices, but how do you break into this world of not really food? Right. Because it's like sauces and spice. It's different. How did all this start for you?

[Ed McCaffrey]

Yeah, well, you know, it probably started with my love of flavor. Like when I was a kid, I was 8 years old and I played Pop Warner football and I was really tall. I wasn't like overweight in terms of being a fat little kid, but I was tall, so I had to make weight for my Pop Warner football team. So I was like on a hot dog and cabbage diet. It was like an original Atkins diet when I was like 8 and 9. So I always had this thing with eating, you know, hot dogs and cabbage and trying to make them taste better than they did. And so, you know, I was introduced to spicy brown mustard at an early age. And then eventually I moved to Pennsylvania. And if you know anything about Pennsylvania, there's a lot of mustard made there. A very German and Pennsylvania Dutch influence. So again, you know, I was trying to eat healthy and high school athlete hoping to play college ball one day. And so I was eating pretty healthy and eat a lot of really bland foods, right? Like non fat turkey burger and chicken sandwiches. And they can get pretty dry and bland if you don't add some flavor to them. So, you know, I grew up loving food, loving flavors, trying to make healthy food taste better, trying to make good food taste better. And. But the way I get introduced to the business was really by luck. I had my business partner Ty, who approached me in the 90s when we were winning Super Bowls with the Broncos and wanted me to do a cereal. You've probably seen all the cereals, right? I had Ed's End Zone O's. I thought it was pretty cool. It's pretty cool box that lasted for a couple years. So we did cereal, we did Eddie Mac and cheese, we did a couple other products. But, you know, at the time I'm playing, right? I'm like, football is my day job. And we were doing this for fun and to raise some money for charity, but I did it. And at some point he asked me, like, you know, what food do you eat every day? What's your favorite food? And at this point I'm thinking, look, I don't know, man. I had fun with the cereal and something, but you know what, I eat mustard every day. And I kind of thought he would leave it at that and it wouldn't go any further, but he was interested in pursuing that avenue. So we approached a bunch of different manufacturers and we finally found one that did a phenomenal job. I tasted like a hundred different ingredient combinations till I came up with the spicy brown mustard that I like the best, that I put on all my sandwiches on my off day. We barbecued and put it on my hot dogs, hamburgers and brats. I dip pretzels in it for a snack. And the reason I like mustard so much is one, it's very flavorful and also it's zero calories, very healthy condiment, if you're going to put a condiment on your foods. So I preferred mustard. And, and so, you know, we threw a label on it and started selling it. And it's been selling since 1998. And I really didn't try to expand the business up until a year ago. And the reason was, you know, I was coaching, I was broadcasting for the Broncos, doing all these different things. But the reason it's still around is because it tastes so damn good. It's really, really good. I'll put our spicy brown mustard up against any mustard on the planet. But over the years, we've had a great partnership with Kroger, with Safeway, and with some other retailers, and they've asked us to come up with other flavor profiles. So I've worked with our manufacturers to create a Sriracha mustard, a chipotle mustard, in addition to our regular horseradish sauce, which is out of this world. It's a squeeze bottle, 12 ounce squeeze bottle horseradish sauce that I think is phenomenal. Not a lot of competition in that category. We're coming up with a smoky horseradish sauce. And in the past we've had beer mustard, which we're going to launch again in 2026. We've had honey mustard in Dijon. We've had a lot of different variations over the years, but mustard is just. It's one of my favorite things to put on all my different types of foods that I eat, especially healthy food. So we're in the business of making good food taste better. That's the goal. So every condiment and every sauce that we create has one purpose, to make good food taste better. If we can make food taste better, we're happy.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm a big mustard guy. Love number one condiment, like Mount Rushmore condiments mustard. I have friends that are big wine guys and their palate has developed to the point where they can tell the difference in wine. So I wonder, with your palate, can you tell the difference in mustards and how long a mustard, where it's from, what's been added to it?

[Ed McCaffrey]

Pretty, pretty easily. Yeah. I mean, there's a distinct difference between. Well, there's a distinct difference between the taste of spicy brown mustard, which uses brown mustard seeds, and yellow mustard, which uses Yellow mustard seeds, and then, you know, the different peppers that we use. A cayenne pepper is different than a sriracha pepper, which is different than a chipotle pepper. Chipotle is like a sweeter flavor. It's very, very distinct. You. You'd be able to tell the difference.

[Bobby Bones]

Difference. That's crazy. I did. I definitely didn't expect the first part of this interview to be all about mustard, but I'm such a mustard fan, and Eddie's, like, trying to, you know, saw, and so. I appreciate you talking us through that, Ed.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Yeah, no, I appreciate it. Thanks for mentioning on the show, we. We're very proud of it. A year ago, we hired a couple more people. We have a PR marketing firm probably set this interview up. Right. And then we have a website. You can buy our product on Amazon now and on the website mccaffreybrands.com or go to Kroger. We're expanding nationally starting in 2026. So it's really become an obsession of mine. And I'm looking forward to, you know, I like the creative part about it, which just means I really like eating food and sampling all the different flavor profiles that are presented to me. And we're looking forward to coming out with different. Different products as well. Hot sauces, ketchup, which I know some of you on the show like, not everybody. And some other really creative flavors that we think will enhance everybody's tailgate experience.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, let's go to a little bit of football and most. I want to ask about the psychology of after an injury, because I remember back in 2001, there was a leg fracture. I want to show you my foot now because we got. I'm wearing. I'm in a boot. I just graduated to a boot. I don't know if you can see that. What'd you do? Well, much like yourself, when you were playing football, I was doing a little something called playing pickleball, and I had to have ankle surgery. So very similar. Very similar injuries. And so the psychology of after an injury, when you have a leg fracture, which is way less ideal than an ankle surgery, which mine was pretty clean. Like, how long until. Not until it heals, but until you actually have the trust and faith that you can push on it again.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Oh, man. You know, I was in a boot just like you. I had a, you know, a compound tib fib fracture. And so they had to put a titanium rod in there. Took that Home Depot or Lowe's, you know, drill and just drill the top and bottom, the rods like the length of strength of your shin bone. So I had a, you know, pretty major surgery performed on it. I was in a boot like you were for a couple months, and then you go through that slow rehab. But I played in a game. We played the Buffalo Bills Week 1 the following season. I had gotten hurt on actually 9, 10, first game of the season in our new stadium at the time in power field at Mile High, and in less than a year played in the opener the following year. But. But I tell you, I, I rehab morning, noon and night every day for an entire year just to be able to get back on the field.

[Bobby Bones]

So you did take it very seriously. And I had a professional athlete friend of mine that was giving me little drills to do all the time. Like, he's like, hey, it'll get stiff if you don't constantly work it. So you took your rehab very seriously, to bounce back?

[Ed McCaffrey]

Very seriously. Yeah, my goal was to play open in day, and I achieved that. It was one of the most emotional games of my life. For most people it was, hey, just week one, regular season game. But for me, you know, I went from thinking I'd never play football again as I was getting carted off the field, to thinking that I might not have feeling in my toes, which I didn't have at the time. I was just hoping to have feeling in my toes back. And then once I had the surgery and they said there's a chance you could still play long as you heal properly, then. Then my goal was to play week one. And so that was a major, major goal for me. It was emotional. I'm not going to be able to actually still play football after that break. Less than a year later was. It was. It was moving, you know, but. But it wasn't. It wasn't just luck. I mean, I literally had to rehab three times a day for a year. I mean, it took a lot of time and effort, and there was no guarantee that I'd be able to come back.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, we're a lot alike. That's how I feel about pickleball tournaments. I don't know if I'll ever get back there, but it's very similar.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Whenever, like real quick, I'm friend with a lot of. Unfortunately for me, and having four kids that played football and having played in the NFL for 13 years, I'm friends with a lot of orthopedic surgeons and they tell me that pickleball is the best thing that has happened to their business in a long, long time.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, when I went in, because I had the surgery a week and a half ago, when I went in for my first physical therapy, the guy was like, oh, yeah, this is what most people come in for. Now. It's because of pickleball. Because it's like, I'm in my 40s, and I was an okay athlete, but, like, I still find fulfillment in competing. So that's what I compete in now. But it is not good for the joints. Anyway, not to make it about me, I just thought we were very similar, our injury. But does that help? Like when. Like when Christian had his injury and that, you know, pretty bad injury, you having gone through that, is it nice to be able to lean on that experience to kind of talk him through it as well?

[Ed McCaffrey]

Yeah. Real quick. When you mentioned pickles, you know what I think of? I think of pickles because in 1998, I had a choice. I could have endorsed pickles as well. But Adam Denmark, Adam Deadmarsh for the Avalanche, ended up doing it instead. He went with dead marsh dills. I went with mustard. He went with dead marsh dills. When you say pickle, that was the first thing I thought of. But, yeah. Back to the serious question. Look, I'm a dad. I'm a dad first. You know, I've coached all my kids as they've grown up throughout their lives, and I think I have a unique experience that I can lend to them when they are interested in asking me questions. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. And I share with them, you know, what I think will be valuable if they ask. And unfortunately, I've gone through that experience, so I try to be just a dad, let them know I love them and care about them, and then walk them through the process. But they're, you know, they're all grown up now. They kind of get it. You know, they've battled through adversity, each. Each one of them in their own way, and they've all had injuries at some point throughout their lives, so they kind of get the drill. There's no sugar coating and injury. You know, at least I can speak for my kids. They absolutely love football, and they've committed their lives to it. And so to miss games is really, really frustrating. It's. You know, you'd think it'd be the pain of the injury. It's. That's the least of it. It's not being able to take the field with your teammates, not being able to go to battle and having to watch everybody else have all the fun. That. That's what's so torturous. And then Just knowing there's not a quick fix. It's going to be a long, lengthy process till you get back. So what you. You do is you start setting little daily goals, right? What's the next thing I do have to. To do? And you just slowly accomplish one little goal at a time until you're back on the field.

[Bobby Bones]

I was looking at some stats back in 2000, both you and Rod Smith had 100 catches, both of you guys at a time, whenever they didn't throw the ball as much, but you both had 100 catches. What was that huddle like? Was it constantly? I mean, was it. We're an offense that just throws the.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Ball well, Bobby, I had 101 catches.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, my bad. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Yeah, I had 101. I was taken out after the third quarter. So we could have had 107 or 8 if they fed us, but we didn't do back that. Back then, we had a phenomenal football team. We had a pretty good run game. We had a good quarterback. We had a guy named John Elway. We had a running back named Terrell Davis. We had a tight end named Shannon Sharp. We had Rod Smith and I. We had won a couple Super Bowls, right? So that year we were throwing the ball around a little bit more. But we. That was on the back of many, many successful seasons. And, you know, that particular year, I think Rod and I might have sat out four or five games in the fourth quarter. I mean, we each had 100 catches, which was really cool. We were one of the few duos to have done that at the time in a long, long time. And we didn't even throw the ball that much. We had a very balanced offense and great run game. But it was one of those. We were on one of those teams where the team came first, right? So we didn't really. We didn't really feed any one receiver. It just happened to be that way. And Rod and I. Rod. Rod was one of the greatest teammates I ever played with. And, you know, we climbed the ranks together. We were both backups at one point that were only getting in on run plays. And we used to take a lot of pride in decleading defenders. And so we would tally up how many guys we actually got on the ground throughout the game. And one of the biggest compliments for us was if Coach Shanahan stop the film that we were watching in front of the team and pointed us out, like on the backside of a run play, de cleading somebody. We had a little $5 bets to see who could have the most decleaders in a game. So we kind of climbed up the ranks. Me having come from San Francisco and serving as a backup, and Rod climbing up through the ranks as a guy that was on the practice squad. And so to be able to play that many years, you know, my whole Denver career with Rod and being able to start at the bottom and climb up to the top, where we were starters on super bowl teams, was a really cool experience. And we were excited. You know, I was excited for him when he scored. He was excited for me. And that was really a unique experience. Having someone in your receiver room that at one point, you know, one point you're competing for your job with him. Right. To have him be such an incredible friend and great teammate was. Was a real blessing for me.

[Bobby Bones]

I've got three questions left here for you, and I'll start with this one. You mentioned Coach Shanahan. What kind of coach was he? When coaches are defined as a player, coach as a disciplinarian, how would you define Coach Shanahan?

[Ed McCaffrey]

He's a Hall of Fame head football coach, and he should be in really soon. I know there's, like, new rules regarding how many coaches are allowed in per year, and they seem like they change the weight every time, and I think they changed it recently so other coaches can get in quicker than waiting the five years. But he is. He was a true professional, and he. He. When you think of hall of Fame football coach, you know, I think of Mike Shanahan. I got to play for him for 10 years. We won a Super bowl with the San Francisco 49ers in 1994. Then I joined him in Denver. Thank goodness he brought me with him, and we won another two in Denver. He. He paid attention to detail. You know, he had an incredible system in place, and he was. Paid a lot of attention to the little things, which really are big things. And he really believed in team first, and everyone on our team absolutely believed in him. And, you know, that's why I think a lot of players signed with us as free agents from other teams. They saw what he was building. And in between Mike Shanahan and a quarterback like John Elway, there were a lot of players that wanted to be part of what we were doing. But it started with Pat Boland, who hired Mike, and then Mike, who really was a pioneer. And I don't know if he gets enough credit for it, but when you look at his coaching tree, it's not just his son Kyle, who my son's now playing for, right. It's, you know, Coach McVeigh with the Rams, it's Coach LeFlore with Green Bay, it's Coach McDaniel in Miami, and there's another five or six or seven or eight coaches that were in his coaching tree that have had incredible success. And it's. It's not just the X's and O's that he taught them, which obviously helped them become great coordinators, but. And eventually head coaches. But it's the systems that he put in place, how to. How to, you know, script a practice, how to organize an off season, how to bring in the right people around you to complement your skill sets. It's all these things that he did that led to his success. And, And a lot of many, many, many successful coaches have kind of copied, if you will, and then made their own his systems.

[Bobby Bones]

Two questions left. I do a podcast with former Patriot, who, you know, Patriots won a bunch of Super Bowls. And we talk about after the super bowl, the parties. What was a Super bowl party, like, the official party, like, after you guys won those Super Bowls with the Broncos? Were they as big as they are now?

[Ed McCaffrey]

No, they were not as big as they are now. And I don't even remember our parties. I remember, you know, you're. It's a night game, so you're done really, really late. And then I'll tell you what, I don't even remember a party. I know we had to have our bags packed and waiting outside her hotel room at, like, 5:00am so you. By the time you get back, it's midnight, and you have, like, a few hours until your plane leaves for the parade. Now, now, they do it differently. They have huge parties. Some days they. Sometimes they wait another whole day before they have their parade. But back then, I believe we had a parade the next day, so we had to get home pretty quickly.

[Bobby Bones]

All right, final question. Like, for real, what's happening underneath the Denver Airport? Like, what do you know? Is there some kind of secret, Some secret stuff happening under. Underneath there, right?

[Ed McCaffrey]

There's absolutely some secret stuff happening at the Denver International Airport. I'm not at liberty to discuss it. There is stuff going on.

[Bobby Bones]

It is creepy. Okay. You know, he's not saying much because he knows much. That's why you guys can go. McCaffrey, RockyMountain.com or like you said, you can go over to Amazon as well. Hey, Ed was a big fan of you as a player. Love that you spent some time with us. Thank you so much. And I hope the rest of your day goes awesome.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Anytime. Thank you so much.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Brandon]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Brandon]

I'm Robert Smith and this is Jacob Goldstein. And we used to host a show called Planet Money. And now we're back making this new podcast called Business History about the best ideas and people and businesses in history and some of the worst people, horrible ideas and destructive companies in the history of business. Having a genius idea without a need for it is nothing. It's like not having it at all. It's a very simple, elegant lesson. Make something people want. First episode, how Southwest Airlines use cheap seats and free whiskey to fight its way into the airline business. The most Texas story ever. There's a lot of mavericks in that story. We're gonna have mavericks on the show. We're gonna have plenty of robber barons. So many robber barons. And you know what? They're not all bad. And we'll talk about some of the classic great moments of famous business geniuses, along with some of the darker moments that often get overlooked, like, like Thomas Edison and the electric chair. Listen to business history on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the podcast Health Stuff, we are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes, I'm Dr. Priyanka Wali, a double board certified physician.

[Brandon]

And I'm Hari Kondabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am on health stuff, we're talking about health in a different way. It's not only about what we can do to improve our health, but also.

[Bobby Bones]

What our health says about us and.

[Brandon]

The way we're living. Like our episode where we look at diabetes in the United states.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.

[Brandon]

How preventable is type 2? Extremely.

[Bobby Bones]

Or our in depth analysis of how incredible mangoes are.

[Brandon]

Oh, it's hard to explain to rest of the world that like your mangoes are fine because mangoes are incredible, but, like, you don't even know.

[Eddie]

You don't know. You don't know.

[Bobby Bones]

It's going to be a fun ride. So tune in.

[Brandon]

Listen to health stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

What do you get? When you mix 1950s Hollywood, a Cuban musician with a dream, and one of the most iconic sitcoms of all time, you get Desi Arnaz, a trailblazer, a businessman, a husband, and maybe most importantly, the first Latino to break primetime wide open. I'm Wilmer Valderrama, and yes, I grew up watching him, probably just like you and millions of others. But for me, I saw myself in his story.

[Bobby Bones]

From cleaning canary cages to this night here in New York, it's a long ways.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

On the podcast, starring Desi Arnaz and Wilmer Valderrama, I'll take you on a journey to Desi's life. The moments it has overlapped with mine. How he redefined American television and what that meant for all of us watching from the sidelines, waiting for a face like ours on screen. This is the story of how one man spotlight lit the path for so many others and how we carry his legacy today. Listen to Starring Desi Arnaz and Wilmer Valderrama as part of the Micultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, before we go, we got a few minutes here. We need a review of Beauty and the Beast to play.

[Eddie]

Yeah, boys.

[Bobby Bones]

Shut up, man.

[Eddie]

No, honestly, I mean, the play itself was legit. Like the production side of things. Maybe it's working in the industry of doing all that. And there was a lot that went into it. The pyros, everything.

[Brandon]

There's pyro and Beauty and the Beast.

[Eddie]

Oh, yeah, dude, it's indoors. Yeah, it's like. Well, it's not necessarily, like, technically pyro, I guess, but, you know, it's a lot of flash.

[Brandon]

I'm thinking of Jason Aldean show.

[Eddie]

No, no, no, no. There's no fire or anything, but it's a lot of, like, flashing lights and different colors and throwing stuff in your face. And it was super legit. The acting was great. The singing was great. The people in the crowd were. Was definitely. That was a show in itself, too, because there was quite the mix from, obviously, the young kids that are all dressed up to the grown adults that are all dressed up as well, that are super into it. But the play itself was really, really good.

[Bobby Bones]

Rate it. How many Beasts.

[Eddie]

What are we doing out of five? Okay, I'll give it a 4.2.

[Brandon]

4.2 Beasts. Out of five.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

How much are tickets to that thing?

[Eddie]

We paid 75 a piece. We're up top.

[Bobby Bones]

Have you guys seen Wicked? The movie?

[Brandon]

The movie.

[Bobby Bones]

Have you seen in theater.

[Brandon]

Oh, the new one? No, I have not.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm sorry. Have you seen the theater version of the play?

[Eddie]

No, I have not.

[Bobby Bones]

I've not seen a lot of musicals. I don't know what a lot even means, but I've never been to one and thought, well, that sucked. They're all.

[Eddie]

Yes, they're great.

[Bobby Bones]

Awesome. Brendan, wasn't your wife. Is that what she did? Yeah, she was on Broadway in New York for seven years. Isn't that crazy?

[Brandon]

What?

[Eddie]

Wow.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, man. Like the seven. That's major league.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Like. Yeah, we think we're like, a little funny podcast. Espn. Look at us. Well, me, not you guys. I'm kidding. But, like, she was like. That's like major league.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And so for that. That many years, huh? Yeah. And she just, you know, her experience from, you know, auditioning all the time and what's. What's her name that played. That was in Wicked? Ariana Grande. Cynthia Rivo.

[Ed McCaffrey]

The original.

[Eddie]

Oh.

[Bobby Bones]

Kristin Chenoweth. Kirsten Genoweth. The other one. Frozen. Frozen. Idina. Mazel. Wait.

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[Bobby Bones]

It's a fourth person of all the way. Guess it's the last one.

[Brandon]

Lin Manuel Miranda.

[Bobby Bones]

Cat from Cats. She was. I think she was in a play called the Phantom. She was in a play with Idina Menzel.

[Brandon]

Who was your wife?

[Bobby Bones]

My wife was Aida. And then she was in another play with the guy who played the original Phantom.

[Brandon]

Oh, that's cool.

[Bobby Bones]

And it was. It was known as the biggest flop on Broadway. It was called Dance of the Vampires. And there was so much money going into this and so much hype, and it just flopped, you know, but she was in some other.

[Brandon]

That's a terrible story.

[Bobby Bones]

It wasn't her fault.

[Eddie]

No, it wasn't.

[Brandon]

It was.

[Bobby Bones]

You could have stopped. You could have stopped. Stopped with. She was with Idina Menzel.

[Eddie]

We didn't need to go into all that.

[Brandon]

She got hooked on the lowest point in her life. Then she met.

[Bobby Bones]

She suffered through a lot of depression. Like, dude, what the f you. She had to have her leg amputated.

[Brandon]

Gosh, what's wrong with you?

[Bobby Bones]

Like, it was just all cool. We were all blown away. I wanted to highlight your wife at the. Be in the major league. She's done something higher in A level than any of us ever had. And then ra's like, yeah, let me take. Let me take her back down.

[Eddie]

Oh, man. Keep in her place.

[Bobby Bones]

They blame. And you know what? They blamed her for that.

[Brandon]

And I don't blame them.

[Bobby Bones]

And I saw it.

[Eddie]

You know what?

[Bobby Bones]

Good point. Oh, my God.

[Brandon]

Kevin. Was. Have you seen the movie Beauty and the Beast?

[Eddie]

I mean, when I was a kid.

[Brandon]

Was it kind of the same?

[Eddie]

I. Dude, to be honest, I don't remember the storyline at all. I don't know if you guys did well, you.

[Bobby Bones]

I do. Yeah. Yeah.

[Eddie]

I don't remember at all.

[Bobby Bones]

Kind of creepy beast. Hold your hostage.

[Eddie]

Yes, yes. But like, there's her bells. Like dad's involved. And there's mascot. Maston. Maston.

[Brandon]

Mastodon.

[Eddie]

Gaston. Yeah, he was really good in the play, but I don't remember him in the original at all, but he was really, really good.

[Brandon]

Oh, okay.

[Eddie]

They. I mean, the acting and the singing was phenomenal.

[Brandon]

But you guys know the Beast isn't a real like a beast, right?

[Bobby Bones]

It's a dude in the end. Yeah. Spoiler, right?

[Eddie]

Hey, no, that was the best part. Spoiler alert. Here at the end, they like, you know, they lift him up in the air and they like flash all these lights so you can't see anything as they're transforming them. And then these people sitting next to us and the guy was like on his edge of his seat. I mean, I'm Talking like a 30 year old guy sitting there. And then they flash and he's like a human again. And the guy's like, oh my God. Did you not know that was coming? You know what I mean?

[Brandon]

Maybe you didn't know the end.

[Bobby Bones]

That's funny. I always like people like that that are so moved by it and they're not doing it on purpose, they're just so moved. That's fun.

[Brandon]

Y. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

The last time that I did that was six cents. Oh, don't tell me. Dude, you don't know, but let me tell you this. I remember being in a theater, being like, what? As soon as I found out.

[Brandon]

Outwardly, yeah, it's a big deal.

[Bobby Bones]

What? One more time.

[Brandon]

What?

[Ed McCaffrey]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

What a reaction.

[Ed McCaffrey]

Crazy.

[Bobby Bones]

Crazy.

[Eddie]

But yeah, you should see it. Guys.

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[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones here. You ever tried to plan a trip for a large group? Everybody has their own idea of what the vacation should look like. One friend needs a backyard for their new puppy they bring everywhere. Another friend needs blackout curtains because waking up before 10am yeah, that's not gonna happen. Another friend insists on having a king sized bed even though they're happily single. Booking.com totally gets it. And let's be honest, you're probably a bit picky too. Maybe you want a spot with a good view, because what's the point if you can't look out the window and feel like you're somewhere near? Booking.com makes juggling those seemingly impossible requests totally possible. They've got hotels, vacation rentals, and every kind of stay you can imagine all across the US Whether you're looking for space or style or just something that works for everybody, booking.com helps you get it right. Find exactly what you're booking for. Booking.combooking yeah, that's booking.com booking yeah.

[Brandon]

I'm Robert Smith and this is Jacob Goldstein. And we used to host a show called Planet Money. And now we're back making this new podcast called Business History about the best ideas and people and businesses in history and some of the worst people, horrible ideas and destructive companies in the history of business. Having a genius idea without a need for it is nothing. It's like not having it at all. It's a very simple, elegant lesson. Make something people want. First Episode How Southwest Airlines use cheap seats and free whiskey to fight its way into the airline business. The most Texas story ever. There's a lot of mavericks in that story. We're gonna have mavericks on the show. We have plenty of robber barons. So many robber barons. And you know what? They're not all bad. And we'll talk about some of the classic great moments of famous business geniuses along with some of the darker moments that often get overlooked, like Thomas Edison and the electric chair. Listen to business history on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. On the podcast Health stuff. We are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes, I'm Dr. Priyanka Wali, a double board certified physician.

[Brandon]

And I'm Hari Kondabolu, a comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am on health stuff, we're talking about health in a different way. It's not only about what we can do to improve our health, but also.

[Eddie]

What our health says about us and.

[Brandon]

The way we're living. Like our episode where we look at diabetes in the United states.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.

[Brandon]

How preventable is type 2? Extremely.

[Bobby Bones]

Or our in depth analysis of how incredible mangoes are.

[Brandon]

Oh, it's hard to explain to rest of the world that like your mangoes are fine because mangoes are incredible. But like you don't even know.

[Eddie]

You don't know, you don't know.

[Bobby Bones]

It's going to be a fun ride. So tune in.

[Brandon]

Listen to health stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

What do you get when you mix 1950s Hollywood, a Cuban musician with a dream, and one of the most iconic sitcoms of all time? You get Desi Arnaz, a trailblazer, a businessman, a husband, and maybe most importantly, the first Latino to break primetime wide open. I'm Wilmer Valderrama and yes, I grew up watching him, probably just like you and millions of others. But for me, I saw myself in his story.

[Bobby Bones]

From cleaning canary cages to this night here in New York, it's a long ways.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

On the podcast, starring Desi Arnaz and Wilmer Valderrama, I'll take you on a journey to Desi's life, the moments it has overlapped with mine. How he redefined American television and what that meant for all of us watching from the sidelines, waiting for a face like ours on screen. This is the story of how one man spotlight led the path for so many others and how we carry his legacy today. Listen to Starring Desi Arnaz and Wilmer Valderrama as part of the My Cultura Podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Bobby Bones]

I thought the field was cool in Madrid. How they keep it its own greenhouse underneath the ground. Oh yeah, that's really cool.

[Brandon]

They take soccer pretty serious over there. Yeah, it's very serious.

[Bobby Bones]

It's really neat. What's your theory on.

[Brandon]

Oh, on the jerseys? Yeah, man. I just feel like when I watch these European soccer, these European football games, like the fans are oddly all wearing different random jerseys, but it's almost like they don't even look know what's going on. Like they see a fumble and they're like, oh, what? What does that mean? What does that mean? So I feel. This is my theory. I feel like the NFL is like we're going to have a game in Madrid. We're going to get a bunch of jerseys, all different kinds of jerseys from every different team, every different player, and then we're going to give tickets away and whoever shows up, we're going to give them free jerseys.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't think that that's a bad theory. I think they probably do that some, man. I think they were worried about Madrid more than any other game because they. That is not a typical even European football hold. Like London, Germany, but Madrid. And I don't think the crowd was exactly what they had hoped, but I think they knew that was risky going into it. I just don't like them more. I wish they would play them just a little later.

[Eddie]

Yeah, yeah, just a little.

[Bobby Bones]

Put them on at the same time the other games are on.

[Brandon]

What time would it be over there though?

[Bobby Bones]

Who gives a crap? It's America.

[Eddie]

Our time.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, exactly.

[Brandon]

You like waking up early and seeing football.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm up early anyway, and it's like, oh, sweet, football's on. I just don't like that much football. I'm gonna say it. I don't like going from that early until 9:00 clock at night.

[Brandon]

I'll tell you who doesn't like it. My wife.

[Bobby Bones]

My stamina is not there.

[Eddie]

Well, especially after a full day on Saturday.

[Brandon]

Correct.

[Bobby Bones]

Great point.

[Eddie]

A lot of football.

[Brandon]

Because like, I'm watching football till 1am I watch that like west coast game.

[Bobby Bones]

So you can catch up on your debts.

[Brandon]

Because I'm catching up on gambling debts. And then my wife wakes up and I'm watching football again. She's like, this is too much.

[Bobby Bones]

That's like three plays for you in a day. It's just too much, you know?

[Eddie]

Oh, football play.

[Bobby Bones]

Imagine if you went Phantom of the Opera and then you went to Les Miserable. Oh, not.

[Brandon]

Be good, Liz. Cats. Oh, good.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, we're done. Max McAffrey is an offensive assistant for the Miami Dolphins. Dolphins.

[Eddie]

BTW, is he really the Dolphins? Wow.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Man, that's legit.

[Bobby Bones]

Thanks, man.

[Brandon]

Thank you, Brandon.

[Bobby Bones]

Brandon, we'll see you guys. If you don't mind and you're listening to us and you like us, please share us on your Instagram story. Tag us. That'd be awesome. Our Instagram now is 25 whistles sports. Brandon. Yes.

[Brandon]

Is it?

[Eddie]

Yes. Let me go there.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, it's. It used to be Bobby Bones Sports. Now It's.

[Brandon]

It is.

[Bobby Bones]

25 whistle sports. Yes.

[Eddie]

That's what Bobby just said.

[Bobby Bones]

Because it's not about me. I just want to make that a thing. It's not as much about me. It's about us. Do you.

[Brandon]

Do you have to, like, start over with followers?

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, you just change it, but they remove your blue check mark for a second in case you're being hacked. It's okay. But 25 whistle sports. And then if you're listening on Spotify, put a comment comment down in that comment section and best comment wins. We'll bring one up and give them something next week. Like whatever moment you thought on the show was funniest. That works. Maybe it's. Maybe it's Brandon having to drag his wife for no reason whatsoever.

[Eddie]

You guys didn't let your finish.

[Brandon]

Does your wife listen?

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, heck no. Hey, she doesn't miss an episode. Do any of our wives listen? All right, we'll see you guys later on this week. Bye, everybody.

[Brandon]

Now blow it.

[Bobby Bones]

Theme song written by Bobby Bones. That's me. And performed by Brandon Ray. Follow Brandon on Socials at BrandonRay Music. You can follow the show on Instagram @BobbyBoneSports. Thanks to our crew, co host, producereddy, segment producer Ickoff Kevin, and executive producer at ikedistro. But most importantly, thank you for listening. I'm Bobby Bones. We'll talk to you next time here on 25 WHISTLES.

[Brandon]

I'm Robert Smith and this is Jacob Goldstein. And we used to host a show called Planet Money. And now we're back making this new podcast called business History, about the best ideas and people and businesses in history and some of the worst people, horrible ideas and destructive companies in the history of business. First episode, how Southwest airlines used cheap seats and free whiskey to fight its way into the airline business. The most Texas story ever. Listen to business history on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the podcast health stuff. We are tackling all the health questions that keep you up at night.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm Dr. Priyanka Wali, a double board certified physician.

[Brandon]

And I'm Hari Kundabolu. A comedian and someone who once googled do I have scurvy at 3am and on our show we're talking about health in a different way. Like our episode where we look at diabete in the United states.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, 50% of Americans are pre diabetic.

[Brandon]

How preventable is type 2?

[Bobby Bones]

Extremely. Listen to Health Stuff on the iHeartRadio.

[Eddie]

App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Brandon]

Thanksgiving isn't just about food. It's a day for us to show.

[Eddie]

Up for one another.

[Brandon]

It's okay not to be okay sometimes and be able to build strength and love with.

[Eddie]

I'm Elliot Khani, host of the podcast Family Therapy, a series where real families.

[Brandon]

Come together to heal and find hope.

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I've always wanted us to have therapy, so this is such a beautiful opportunity.

[Brandon]

Listen to season two of Family Therapy every Wednesday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The show was ahead of its time to represent a black family in ways that television hadn't shown before.

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[Brandon]

And I'm Kellie Williams or Laura Winslow. On our podcast. Welcome to the Family with Thelma and Kelly.

[Bobby Bones]

We're rewatching every episode of Family Matters.

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We'll share behind the scenes stories about making the show. Yeah, we'll even bring in some special guests to spill some tea. Listen to welcome to the Family with Telma and Kelly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Bobby Bones]

A man with down syndrome tries the.

[Brandon]

Impossible, the grand slam in turkey hunting.

[Bobby Bones]

4:53 hits.

[Ed McCaffrey]

We're legal, shooting light.

[Brandon]

And he gives us this one last chust.

[Bobby Bones]

Ow.

[Brandon]

And he pitches off. And when he pitches off, he flies right into the gun barrel. I said to the cameraman, do you have him?

[Bobby Bones]

He said, shoot him. I said, justin, shoot. You can download this episode and others from Lines and Tines with Spencer Graves on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.