25W: The Surprising Age Which Our Body Reaches a Tipping Point + The Truth About Lane Kiffin's Dog 'Juice' with Ross Dellenger + Allen Robinson on Which NFL Team Had the Best Cafeteria Food

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The Bobby Bones Show – Episode Summary

Podcast: The Bobby Bones Show (Premiere Networks)
Episode: 25W: The Surprising Age Which Our Body Reaches a Tipping Point + The Truth About Lane Kiffin's Dog 'Juice' with Ross Dellenger + Allen Robinson on Which NFL Team Had the Best Cafeteria Food
Date: December 4, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of "The Bobby Bones Show" dives into a wide range of sports topics, from surprising research about the age when our bodies “stop bouncing back” from injuries to in-depth conversations with senior college football reporter Ross Dellenger and former NFL star Allen Robinson. The episode blends humorous banter, thoughtful takes on college football’s ever-shifting landscape, NFL chat, quirky stories about Lane Kiffin’s famous dog, and even a spirited debate about the best cafeteria food in the NFL.

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Table of Contents

1. Surprising Science: The Body’s Tipping Point (04:19 - 07:44)
2. College Football Rapid Fire: Coaches, Chaos & Playoffs (07:44 - 26:15)
3. NFL Talk: Cowboys Fandom, Matchups & Playoff Hopes (18:23 - 26:36)
4. Ross Dellenger Guest Segment – Playoff Expansion, Lane Kiffin’s Dog, and More (30:42 - 48:37)
5. Allen Robinson Guest Segment – Career, College/NFL Insight, and Cafeteria Stories (49:58 - 66:43)
6. Notable Light Moments (66:48 - 69:16)
7. Closing Notes & NIL Realities (73:52 - End)

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1. Surprising Science: The Body’s Tipping Point

[04:19 – 07:44]

• Prompt: Bobby Bones asks, “What age do you guys think is the tipping point when we stop ‘bouncing back’ as easily from injury?”
  • Eddie guesses 40, Kevin guesses 32.
• Bobby reveals: “New research has found...the point of no return when we no longer recover as well from injury is 75.” (04:43)
  • The co-hosts and guests are shocked, expecting a much lower number.
• Stats shared: Study of nearly 13,000 people, average age 67, measured by frailty index.
• Discussion: Most people feel the effects earlier, but research says 75 is the age where injury recovery slows permanently.
  • Stories of elderly relatives lifting weights and working on farms well into their 80s.
  • “Genetics and choices, yeah.” (06:36, Bobby Bones)
• Physical therapy talk: Bobby shares his ongoing ankle rehab struggles and the challenges of post-injury recovery, “I shouldn’t look forward to it, because it sucks the whole time.” (06:43, Bobby Bones)

Notable Quote:

"I would’ve guessed much younger too, dude." – Eddie (05:33)

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2. College Football Rapid Fire: Coaches, Chaos & Playoff Controversies

[07:44 – 26:15]

• BYU Coach & Religious Requirements:

  • Do BYU coaches have to be Mormon? Not an official policy, but “unspoken—majority have been.” (09:33, Kevin)
  • Banter about converting religions to get jobs.
  • "It's probably a policy, but just one they can't put in writing." – Bobby (09:38)

• SEC & Other Coaching Grades:

  • Grading recent coaching hires. Lane Kiffin and LSU get A+, John Summerall (Florida) gets an A, Will Stein (Kentucky) B+, Pete Golding (Ole Miss) C-. (10:55-12:11)
  • Entertaining take on coaches doing corny social media bits: “He doesn’t seem like a playful guy... Lane Kiffin could do corny.” (11:39-11:43, Bobby/Eddie)

• Coaching Carousel:

  • Coaches often take their staff with them. Lane Kiffin story: “If you don’t get on the plane, you’re not going to come to LSU with me.” (13:12, Bobby)
  • Jared Allen (Vikings) texted Bobby about the new Razorback coach; fun inside connection chatter.

• Playoff Drama, Head-to-Heads, and Rankings:

  • Debates around Texas, Vanderbilt, and Florida’s place in the playoff rankings; frustration over teams getting in (or out) based on losses and legacy status.

Notable Quotes:

"They gave Ryan Silverfield at Arkansas a D minus... That's my college grades." – Eddie (13:35)
"Texas shouldn’t be in and Texas shouldn’t be ranked over Vanderbilt even though they beat them head to head because they have an extra loss." – Bobby (17:50)

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3. NFL Talk: Cowboys Fandom, Matchups & Playoff Hopes

[18:23 – 26:36]

• Cowboys Fan Rollercoaster:

  • Eddie’s up-and-down support of the Cowboys. “You start the season Cowboys gonna do it all. Then you gave up on the Cowboys... Now you’re so back other people are having to convince you to calm down.” – Bobby (18:50)
  • Team reacts to the emotional experience of being a Cowboys fan.

• NFL Game Previews:

  • Preview of the week's matchups: Seahawks/Falcons, Bengals/Bills (“America’s waiting for... Titans and Browns” joked Bobby), Colts/Jags, Steelers/Ravens, Bears/Packers, etc.
  • “Chiefs vs. Texans is close to a play-in game for both, or at least an elimination game.” (24:31, Bobby)

Notable Quote:

"That’s the life of being a Cowboys fan, man." – Eddie (19:09)

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4. Ross Dellenger Guest Segment

[30:42 – 48:37]

Playoff System Expansion and Chaos

[32:19+]

• On playoff expansion: Only 9% of FBS teams make the playoff, compared to 20%+ in most pro sports. A hot topic for athletic directors.
• Discussion about “unfair” rankings and head-to-head contradictions:
  • “The committee kind of sucks...They've got Texas over Vanderbilt, even though Texas has more losses.” (33:02, Bobby)
  • Dellenger explains proposals for expanding playoffs up to 16 or even 24 teams—possibly killing conference championships (35:26-36:52, Ross).

“Juice Kiffin” the Dog – The Truth

[36:52 – 38:39]

• Lane Kiffin’s dog Juice is a PR creation—the dog doesn’t even live with Lane:
  • “Turns out [Juice] lives at a kennel. He doesn’t even live with Lane! It’s the most bizarre thing.” – Bobby (38:09)
  • Dellenger admits he was there when the dog was introduced at the office, but, “I don't know what to make of all the Juice dog.”

Coaching Rumors and Historic Pressure

[38:47+]

• Lane Kiffin at LSU: Must he win a championship in three or four years?
  • “There would be a lot of disappointment if, certainly by year four, LSU didn’t win at least an SEC championship.” (38:53, Dellenger)

Other Quick Hits

• Crazy rumors about Lane Kiffin, Pete Golding and office drama—Dellenger says some are just that: rumors.
• Playoff pathway discussion: Can Indiana hang with Ohio State?
  • “Ohio State has too many weapons. But it wouldn’t shock me if they enter the fourth quarter and it’s a one-score game.” (43:36, Ross)
• Who can actually win the natty, according to Ross?
  • “Certainly Ohio State...Georgia...Indiana...and the way Notre Dame’s playing...” (46:58)

Quotes:

“It reminds me of that office episode with Michael Scott: ‘I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!’” – Ross Dellenger, on flawed playoff procedures (31:27)
“It made me like Lane a little more. Because he likes dogs.” – Bobby Bones (38:09)

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5. Allen Robinson Guest Segment

[49:58 – 66:43]

NFL Career Reflections & Near-Retirement Status

• Allen says he’s not quite retired yet: “I’m definitely closer to retirement than any other time... but I wouldn’t completely close the door.” (54:09)
• He talks about his training, staying ready, and not wanting to join a ‘moving train’ mid-season (55:03).

Bears, Cowboys, & True Contenders

• “I think [the Bears] are real, especially now as they're starting to gain confidence." (56:19)
• Differentiates between ‘schematic’ and ‘matchup’ offenses, discusses how that affects play-calling and execution.
• On the Cowboys: “I think they’re a playoff-caliber team right now...They have a lot of matchup-based stuff in their offense.” (57:45)
• Predicts the Seahawks as the possible “contender” in the NFC due to strong D and running game.

The Coaching Carousel and Titans' Firing of Mike Vrabel

• “That might have been the dumbest move in coaching in the past five years.” (62:21, Bobby, Allen agrees.)
• Talks about how not all NFL organizations are created equal—practice facilities, food, resources, etc.

Fun Debate – Best NFL Cafeteria

• “Pittsburgh and Detroit [had the best food]. Both have very, very good food options. And it’s funny, because in Jacksonville... we didn’t consistently eat in the cafeteria.” (64:17)

Notable Quotes:

“I enjoy it... I look at myself as kind of like a savant a little bit when it comes to football.” – Allen Robinson, on transitioning to being an analyst (55:39)

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6. Notable Light Moments

[66:48 – 69:16]

• Lie Detector Childhood Stories:
  • Bobby shares, “As an adult, you realize how you were lied to as a kid.” Thinks his dog was sent to a farm—really, it was put down. (66:48)
  • Eddie’s “almost met Mike Ditka” restaurant story, learning (too late) about a common white lie given to tourists. “They say that to everyone; he’s never there.” (68:12)

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7. Closing Notes & NIL Realities

[73:52 – End]

• NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) explained in detail:

  • “The dude, how it's done is still so wide open, and you wouldn't really win or lose a lawsuit either way because there are no real rules.” – Bobby (77:00)
  • Insight into how donors, boosters, and collectives give money to programs and how players are enticed.

• Quick NIL protocol Q&A: Can you pledge money in the future? Must you give it as a lump sum? Is the profit-sharing equal? (75:07+)

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Memorable Quotes

• “I think the committee kind of sucks in that Miami beat Notre Dame, but they still have Notre Dame ranked over Miami. Now, but to contradict themselves, they've got Texas over Vanderbilt.” – Bobby (33:02)
• “It made me like Lane a little more. Because he likes dogs.” – Bobby, on Lane Kiffin/PR and ‘Juice’ (38:09)
• “That might have been the dumbest move in coaching in the past five years.” – Bobby, on Titans firing Vrabel (62:21)
• “Pittsburgh and Detroit [cafeterias]—both have very, very good food.” – Allen Robinson (64:17)
• “Turns out, [Juice] lives at a kennel. He doesn’t even live with Lane!” – Bobby (38:09)

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Key Timestamps

• [04:19] – The science of aging and injury recovery
• [10:55] – SEC & College Football coaching grades
• [15:52] – Playoff chaos and rankings debates
• [18:23] – Cowboys fandom, NFL preview
• [30:42] – Ross Dellenger segment begins
• [36:52] – The truth about Lane Kiffin’s dog Juice
• [49:58] – Allen Robinson segment begins
• [64:10] – The best NFL cafeteria food
• [66:48] – Childhood lie detector stories
• [73:52] – NIL/booster realities and closing banter

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Tone & Style

• Candid, relatable, and humorous with genuine insight
• Blends analytical sports talk with storytelling, everyday observations, and lighthearted skepticism

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For New Listeners

If you’re looking for a sports podcast that mixes serious analysis with unfiltered banter, quirky sports stories, and actual insights from plugged-in guests (and NFL alumni), this episode delivers. Whether it’s the inside scoop on college football’s playoff chaos, the real story behind a viral dog, or which NFL team feeds its players best—Bobby Bones and crew keep it engaging from start to finish.

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[Bobby Bones]

This is a podcast called 25 whistles.

[Ross Dellinger]

Talking football and they all wear a whistle yet Stupid.

[Bobby Bones]

But what did you expect?

[Ross Dellinger]

It's a podcast called 25 Whistles.

[Bobby Bones]

25 Whistles. All right, blow it up. We don't all wear whistles anymore. No theme song says that.

[Eddie]

Sometimes I even forget mine.

[Bobby Bones]

We add a. We add it in post from the New York Post. The age our bodies reach a tipping point and they stop being able to bounce back easily. What do you think that age is, Eddie?

40? Kevin.

[Kevin]

Oh, wow.

32.

[Bobby Bones]

How old are you?

[Kevin]

34.

[Bobby Bones]

Are you feeling it yourself now?

[Kevin]

Oh, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. New research has found the point of no return when we no longer recover as well from injury is 75.

[Kevin]

What?

[Eddie]

So we should be, like, recovering really well.

[Bobby Bones]

My boot should be off. I should be running marathons right now.

[Eddie]

Yeah, dude, I cut my finger on Thanksgiving. It's still not good.

[Bobby Bones]

Researchers measured the health of nearly 13,000 people with an average age of 67 based on 30 attributes, chronic diseases, cardiovascular conditions, how they performed in activities they used A frailty index. Researchers discovered the tipping point for men and women around 70. Like, we should be able to bounce back then. If we do it right, what happens is we get hurt and we're older, we have other obligations, and we're not able to focus on it.

[Kevin]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Bobby Bones]

But also, I don't heal as fast as I used to.

[Eddie]

No chance.

[Kevin]

No.

[Bobby Bones]

So I do. I guess I can bounce back. It's just slower. Maybe at 75, you just don't bounce back. Like, once it happens, it's permanent.

[Kevin]

Yeah, you just sit there with it.

[Bobby Bones]

It's permanent. Marker on his shirt. It's blood on a shirt. So I saw that. I would have guessed much younger too, dude.

[Eddie]

My father in law, he is probably 80 something, you know, like late 70s, early 80s. And he's like, he's got a trainer and he sent me a video of him doing deadlifts. 180.

[Ad Read Voice]

Really?

[Eddie]

You know, almost 200 deadlifts. I'm like, dude, old man, you're gonna hurt yourself.

[Bobby Bones]

That's your father in law.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So Caitlin's grandfather, which I guess would be my grandfather in law. Yes.

[Kevin]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

He's in his 80s.

[Eddie]

He dead lives.

[Bobby Bones]

He works in the farm still.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

That's awesome. Like, he just birthed a calf, a cow. And he was talking about how it wouldn't. It was coming out the wrong way, so he had to chain it to its feet. Like, he still gets on a four wheeler, does that.

[Eddie]

There are just some people that like, want to be physical their whole life. Like my. My parents, like my mom. And yeah, she's got bad legs and like a bad hip and everything, but she can barely walk and she's like 79, 78.

[Bobby Bones]

He was driving a school bus until last year, in his 80s. And I think genetics has a lot to do with it for sure. Genetics and choices. Yeah.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

But yeah, 75, I guess it doesn't go back. I was in therapy yesterday from my ankle.

[Eddie]

How's that going?

[Bobby Bones]

I don't know. I think I'm passing with flying colors because I'm doing all my work, but, man, it hurts. Like, you look. I was looking, I look forward to it. Then when I get there, I realize I shouldn't look forward to it because it sucks the whole time. It's like working out, just physical. Like I was on a box doing all these lifts and it hurts because my ankle obviously is not in the condition that it was. I'm doing, you know, a machine where you lift your. Use your quads. You lift up frontward yeah, yeah. And your quad. So they have me doing that because I've done no leg work in a month and a half. And they're like, do three sets of eight and they'd put the weight on. I'm like, this sucks. I'm weak. So did. Did physical therapy yesterday.

[Eddie]

But like it's. I mean, you're trending upward. Does your foot still hurt? Like the other day you were like.

[Alan Robinson]

It hurts so bad.

[Bobby Bones]

Part of the reason it hurts so bad is. Well, it's not all the way back, but I'm wearing this boot that's very heavy and. And it hangs if I'm sitting in a chair. So all the blood's rushing to it.

[Eddie]

Oh, yeah.

[Kevin]

Is it a numb?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, Like I have it on a stool right now.

[Kevin]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. But I should hopefully because I have put my surgeon tomorrow. They're like, hey, you can not wear the boot now. You have to wear a brace, which is different. But I can wear normal shoes. I don't know where my left shoes are to like three pair of shoes right now because I've only been wearing the right shoe.

[Eddie]

I told you to put a shoe.

[Bobby Bones]

On the boot for like five weeks or so. It's only been one shoe. So. Okay, we have a couple good guests coming up, but let's talk first. Let's have a bunch of stuff. Hey, you may have fact checked this. Kevin, BYU's coach has to be Mormon. No, I think that's true.

[Eddie]

Really?

[Bobby Bones]

So we met him, Penn State, tried to hire BYU's coach and he was going to go to Penn State. And then the crumble cookie guy comes out and is like, I'm in. I'm gonna save him. Crumble cookie guy, big Provo guy. They sign Sataki to a new deal at byu. It doesn't say that.

[Kevin]

No, I'm seeing a couple things that say, no, you don't have to.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, then I, I heard and read wrong. Is he. But is he, Is he Mormon?

[Kevin]

Good question.

[Eddie]

He did kind of tell me to.

[Bobby Bones]

Stop drinking beer and he did have to go and like speak to the.

[Kevin]

He went there, didn't he?

[Bobby Bones]

The head of the church.

[Eddie]

But again, I don't think you have to be Mormon to go there.

[Bobby Bones]

No, not to go there.

[Kevin]

He is Mormon.

[Bobby Bones]

So maybe it's just like recommended. I wonder if you have a Mormon coach.

[Eddie]

I wonder if you can take that job and tell them, yeah, I'm a Mormon.

[Bobby Bones]

You convert like you when you marry somebody.

[Eddie]

Yeah, man. Good.

[Bobby Bones]

Dude, there are people I know that have converted because the person they're marrying is a different religion.

[Eddie]

Yeah. My wife converted to Catholicism.

[Bobby Bones]

Really? Yeah, but she didn't really have to really do it.

[Eddie]

She did classes and everything.

[Bobby Bones]

I know, but that's just going through the process to prove you get the job, which is your wife. Like, can't you just prove, like, you go and you study the lds because that's what that is, right. Mormon. And all of a sudden you are like, yeah, I'm in. And they're like, okay, you're the coach. And then you don't go anymore.

[Kevin]

And then you're done.

[Eddie]

You're done.

[Bobby Bones]

You just go through the process. So. But it's not. You don't have to be. No, but. But how many of the last coaches have been, like, how important is that to them historically? It says a majority have been.

[Kevin]

It has to.

[Bobby Bones]

It's just not an official policy.

[Eddie]

Unspoken. Yeah.

[Ross Dellinger]

Policy.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. It sounds like it's probably a policy, but just one they can't put in writing.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

It's like they'll interview somebody that's not Mormon. Just say, yeah, we tried.

[Eddie]

Oh, good point. Like, is that turned into, like, a discrimination thing?

[Bobby Bones]

Like, it's Rooney Rule in the NFL. They have to interview a certain number of minority coaches, right?

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And that they have to interview a certain number of non Mormon coaches.

[Eddie]

Just improve. One Christian, one Catholic, all the denominations.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. He almost went to Penn State.

[Kevin]

Yeah. That was a surprise, man. They are.

[Bobby Bones]

But they just kept falling. I mean, it was a surprise because nobody else that they wanted, wanted the job. They. That job opened up so long ago before any of the other jobs open. They fired James Franklin, thinking we're gonna have our pick of the litter.

[Kevin]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[Bobby Bones]

And there's no litter. I was reading the grades from this SEC unfiltered on Twitter, and they graded Lane Kiffin an A plus. Now he does have to go and win a national championship.

[Ross Dellinger]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

This is the first coach I've ever seen that has to go somewhere and win a national championship or it is not a successful hire.

[Eddie]

What's the grade on the grade on the hire or the grade on the coach?

[Bobby Bones]

The higher. Yeah, that. Both. Yeah, I think that's. Yeah, I think that's why you get the grade.

[Eddie]

I mean, like, a coach, like, you give Lane Kiffin an A plus because just for being a coach, like, he's an A plus coach.

[Bobby Bones]

Lsu, they gave the A plus because they hired Lane.

[Eddie]

Got it. Okay. It's the higher.

[Bobby Bones]

Then Florida, they gave an A for John Summerall, which there are some coaches and we've had Summerall on this show before. There are some coaches that shouldn't do some of the quirky social media stuff. And I was watching a thing where I think it was maybe to chaos. Spikes, we played at Florida and he's picked up the phone. He's like, coach. And it's like coach walking on Saturday picks up the phone, he's like, it's signing day. And like, that's not summer. I was saying it's a weird video.

[Kevin]

Really? Was it Brandon Spikes?

[Bobby Bones]

Is Brandon Spikes. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Because he just goes, it Spikes. I don't know which one it was.

[Eddie]

Is it like a bad actor?

[Bobby Bones]

It just is a little too corny for his personality. Because he's not a corny personality.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, he doesn't seem like a playful guy.

[Kevin]

Gotcha.

[Eddie]

Like save. Like saving. Doing corny videos.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, it would be saving. Or Belichick. Doing corny doesn't work.

[Kevin]

Lane Kiffin could do corny.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

That's all he does.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. They gave Summer all an A at Florida. They gave Golish a B plus at Auburn. They gave Will Stein a B plus at Kentucky. I thought for Kentucky, that was a really great hire.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

He's a Kentucky guy and was. Is offensive coordinator to Oregon. Young guy. I think he's his 30s. Pete Golding, C minus. Who's now the new Ole Miss head coach. That was an interesting thing. And we talked about it where it was like, hey, interim coach. And the hour later it was like, no, interim. He's now the head coach.

[Kevin]

Yeah. Yeah, we talked. Yeah, we talked about it last time. I just wonder if it's like a desperation thing or not.

[Bobby Bones]

I think it's probably a bit of a. They had that planned in case Lane left. They just didn't know if Lane was going to leave and they didn't want him to leave. So it's a bit of both. Like, who else are you going to go get? Like, Penn State's trying to find a coach. I think you're going to get a coach probably bigger than Penn State. I think you like what the best option available is. I think Penn State's going to have to hire their. Their interim coach. Yeah.

[Kevin]

And at this point, it's like, hey, we're happy to have you.

[Bobby Bones]

Because he was a coordinator.

[Kevin]

Their interim coach.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And under Franklin. And I think he's probably hoping that nobody takes the job because he wants that job. The players were advocating for him their last game before the season was over.

[Eddie]

Do football coaches ever take their. Their crew with them, like their OC most.

[Bobby Bones]

Lane took a lot. But I did see the offensive coordinators going back to coach Ole Miss for the playoffs.

[Eddie]

Oh, yeah.

[Kevin]

Oh, that's good. That helps them a little bit.

[Eddie]

They need something, man. That's crazy.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, they do a lot. I mean, most do. Most of the ones that they like, they take with them. There was the story of Lane given the ultimatum, if you don't get on the plane, you're not going to come to LSU with me. Turns out it wasn't right then. It was like two days later, they all came over.

[Eddie]

That would make the movie, though, right?

[Bobby Bones]

The dramatic get on the plane. Well, that's. That is the movie. And Jerry Maguire, who's with me?

[Kevin]

Grab the goldfish.

[Bobby Bones]

They gave Ryan Silverfield at Arkansas D minus.

[Alan Robinson]

Dang.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I know.

[Eddie]

That's like. That's my college grades. Yeah, high school for sure.

[Kevin]

High school. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I got a text from Jared Allen. He's played for the Vikings.

[Kevin]

Oh, yeah.

[Eddie]

Oh, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Yesterday. And so he said, hey.

If you want me to connect you with the new Razorback coach, he's a good friend of mine and an old coach of mine, so I guess they're friends. And then he coached in the NFL a bit with Minnesota.

[Kevin]

Oh, really? That's a cool connection.

[Eddie]

Does Jared Allen text you A bunch of. So you watching this game, bro?

[Bobby Bones]

No, we don't text like that. We do live close to each other.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And him and Matt Castle are good friends. And so Jared came over, did our podcast, and then when we went to the super bowl, he was being.

Maybe induct, isn't it? It was.

[Eddie]

Yeah, it was hall of Fame.

[Kevin]

He was a finalist. He's getting inducted this next year.

[Eddie]

No, it was the announcement of his induction.

[Bobby Bones]

He's been inducted or making the hall of Fame. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. But he was there at that. So I spent some time with him there, too. And we just live close. And so now it's like, what up?

[Eddie]

Yeah, that's cool, man.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. So Castle knew that Jared knew the coach, and so Castle was like, hey, hit Bobby. So Jared texted me, was like, oh, I didn't know. Whatever. But I thought, that's pretty cool.

[Kevin]

Yeah, I'm not.

[Bobby Bones]

I've not talked to the we. I text the new Arkansas coach.

[Eddie]

Oh, you did already?

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I have a friend that connected us on a text, but I know this guy's underwater right now. Your first few days, it's all PR going on. There's no free time. He was at the basketball game last night, which we did beat Louisville.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

That was awesome.

[Bobby Bones]

Big win for us.

[Eddie]

Congrats.

[Bobby Bones]

We needed it. So. But he's doing like signing day was Wednesday yesterday. So like he had to hit the ground running. Penn State got two recruits.

[Kevin]

I saw their 250 because they only.

[Bobby Bones]

Had two people sign.

[Kevin]

That's crazy.

[Bobby Bones]

The big ones, all with James Franklin are decommitted and they don't have a coach. Who are you signing to?

[Eddie]

And Franklin's at Virginia Tech.

[Alan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

Some went there with him.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Yeah, I did. Yeah. So yeah, there's that talk about the games coming up. It's an interesting weekend. Mildly. Like, I think number one is the Ohio State Indiana game. To me, just what I want to see because I just want to see if Indiana plays close and who knows, they may win. But I don't feel like Indiana is on fraud alert.

Because they did beat Oregon at Oregon, but it's been a while.

[Kevin]

Yeah. And Ohio State is that good.

[Bobby Bones]

Ohio State's so good.

[Kevin]

Like if they're playing Georgia or Alabama, I'd be like, yeah, I like the chances. But because it's Ohio State, I'm like, I don't see it happening.

[Bobby Bones]

And they could surprise us all.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

But I'm anxious to see. They did beat Oregon.

[Eddie]

Indiana's never won a national championship.

[Bobby Bones]

Indiana's never won a conference Big Ten championship.

[Eddie]

That's crazy.

[Bobby Bones]

This might be their first time playing in the Big Ten championship game. But I do know they've never won a Big Ten championship. Their basketball school, man, they used to play football with a basketball until recently. Yeah.

[Eddie]

Back in the day.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. They would ask ahead of time, do you guys care if we use a basketball for this? They started dribbling the football SC championship game. Don't really care that much. They're both in to the playoff and also it's on my team, so I don't care. The Big 12 championship games. Interesting. Because you wonder if BYU beats Texas Tech, it screws up the entire College Football Playoff.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Because that is not a. A spot that they have already dedicated to byu. They've already dedicated it to Texas Tech. They're going to get a buy. They're going to be one of the top four teams and for them to get that, they're going to have to win this conference championship game and they are a 12 and a half point favorite.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

And Tech whooped them earlier in the year.

[Eddie]

You think BYU has a chance?

[Bobby Bones]

I don't think they'll win.

Has a chance.

[Eddie]

I mean, everyone has a chance.

[Bobby Bones]

But I don't think they'll win, but if they do, it screws up everybody's. At least.

The committee's current cost.

[Kevin]

Do you want to see that? As a guy who loves chaos?

[Bobby Bones]

Yes. My short answer is yes. It sucks Vanderbilt can't get in.

[Kevin]

I know.

[Bobby Bones]

Texas should not be ranked over Vanderbilt just because they have 3 losses. Don't lose to a 4 win Florida team. Like don't lose to a 4 win Florida Team. That's the answer to that. It's like you scheduled Ohio State. Great. You lost that game. That's okay. You can lose that game. You can lose another game. Don't lose to freaking Florida. Look at Vanderbilt's two losses. They lost Alabama and Texas.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Big losses. These other teams, most of their loss. That Florida loss was terrible.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

No offense, Mike. I wish that wouldn't happen. But Texas shouldn't be in and Texas shouldn't be ranked over Vanderbilt even though they beat them head to head because they have an extra loss. That head to head needs to be. If you're the same and you've played head to head, then you are up.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

It shouldn't be with an extra loss. You lost to Florida.

[Kevin]

I mean, you swap them as far as their logo and just team school in general and you know they're, they're going to be up there.

[Ross Dellinger]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Big 12 championship. We talked about that one. That's about it. I hope Duke wins. I hope Duke beats Virginia. That's the chaos.

[Eddie]

Shake up.

[Bobby Bones]

That's the chaos that I want to see. How about your Cowboys tonight, baby?

[Eddie]

Tonight it's a big elimination game. Big one in Detroit. Man, I don't know. There's a lot of. I was getting an auto part the other day for my son's car and the lady saw my car, my, my hat and she's like, let's go Cowboys. And I go, man, it's actually like looking pretty good. She's like, don't say that. Don't say that. They always let us down. And so I don't know, I'm going into this week with I hope you don't let us down.

[Bobby Bones]

Here's why you're, here's why you're annoying. You start the season Cowboys and do it all. Then you gave up on the Cowboys and said you're no longer rooting for them.

[Alan Robinson]

Correct.

[Bobby Bones]

You committed to. You don't care anymore. You guys suck. You're no longer rooting for them this year.

[Eddie]

Did you notice I stopped wearing a hat for a little bit?

[Bobby Bones]

No.

[Eddie]

Yeah, I stopped wearing the Cowboys hat. For a little bit.

[Bobby Bones]

And now. But now you're so back, other people are having to convince you to calm down.

[Eddie]

I know. It's just. That's the life of being a Cowboys fan, man. Like, look at the beginning of the season. Did you really think we had a chance of making the playoffs in week six? No.

Week seven? Definitely not. Then we just started. I mean, we beat the two super bowl teams.

[Bobby Bones]

I think the tie against the packers was kind of the start of it.

[Eddie]

Yeah, but then after that, we fell off.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, but that. That gave you a little hope. That Cardinals loss was your big punch.

[Eddie]

In the nose, dude. It's like, what are we doing? We don't even want to win.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, I started to think you guys could play because your offense was so good when. When CD Lamb went out and Pickens started to be that dude. Even though you weren't winning then you had two dudes when CD Got back. And that's really hard to stop with Dak playing as well as he is.

[Eddie]

We got two dudes. We got a running game, we got a defense that we keep stacking on. We got people that were hurt at the beginning of the season that are coming back now. Diggs is going to play tonight. I mean, it just feels like something good is happening.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, no, dude. You're talking yourself into heartache.

[Eddie]

What's crazy, though, is after, you know, Neal and committed suicide, that kind of people are talking about that really brought the team together to play for. For Nealon, you know, I don't know how much that plays a role in it, but it seems like this team's got more than talent. They've got fight in their heart to win this.

[Bobby Bones]

For Nealon, that's just what people. It's not about him. I'm not taking the death part of it, just saying that when you win, that's what people say. It's like the most annoying thing when. When teams are getting ready to start their season and our fans are the same and they're like, all we need is, like, this guy to step up. Well, what do you mean, step up? That's such a generic thing you say whenever you just are like, man, if he steps up, if it were up to him, he'd probably be stepping up.

[Kevin]

Next man up.

[Bobby Bones]

But sometimes you're just not big enough, strong enough. You don't have the skill set. You're not fast enough. There's no such thing as man, if we just get this guy to step. What does that mean, step up? It's such a generic thing that People just say. Because they don't know what they're talking about. No offense to you.

[Eddie]

I didn't say step up.

[Bobby Bones]

I know, but you're kind of like the magical mystery of the Cowboys. But if they lose, does that mean they didn't care about him and his death?

[Eddie]

No, it's not that. It's just that, you know, death sometimes brings families together. I know. My dad died. We started texting.

[Bobby Bones]

That's way different. This is way different. This is way different than your dad dying.

[Eddie]

But, man, my sister and I texted more. My brother and I texted more.

[Alan Robinson]

My mom.

[Eddie]

Like, we just all got closer. I feel like the Cowboys are getting closer because they suffered a loss together.

[Bobby Bones]

And they very well on the field.

[Eddie]

Loss.

[Bobby Bones]

They very well could. My only point is if you're saying that's why they're coming together, then you have to. If they lose, then go. Well, maybe that wasn't what was happening at all.

[Eddie]

Wasn't that in the injuries and like, you know, lamb out.

[Bobby Bones]

But that's. That's already happened.

[Eddie]

Yeah, Yeah, I know. But then our defense was in shambles, dude, until two weeks ago. Week, week and a half ago. Like, that's when we started getting players back over. Sean came back. We got new linebackers. We traded for Kenny. Kenny Clark, well, that's from the beginning. But Quinn and Williams, we got.

[Bobby Bones]

We made awesome.

[Eddie]

We made changes.

[Bobby Bones]

Listen, I hope I root for the Cowboys. I bet a future on them because it was. It paid off so well. If they hit, I bet 100 bucks to win 6,000.

[Eddie]

That's your bet? Yeah, I did. $1 to win 200.

[Bobby Bones]

I would love for them just to make the playoffs because if they have such a high. High. I hate the term ceiling. Octane. No offense.

[Eddie]

Octane.

[Kevin]

Yes. I haven't heard that in a while.

[Bobby Bones]

I know. It's so stupid.

[Eddie]

High power, baby.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, Running. And then I say high octane offense. I'm such a loser. Anyway, Cowboys played tonight.

[Eddie]

Is St. Brown playing? I haven't seen a decision made, but let's hope not. They are trending that he's not playing.

[Bobby Bones]

Lines are minus three.

[Eddie]

Yes. Whatever. So that's what I've made a lot, dude. I've made so much money on those dumb lines where Cowboys are underdogs. I'll take it.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, the lines. Not the Lions.

[Eddie]

The lines.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, the line.

[Alan Robinson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Got it.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you say anything about Aman Ross?

[Kevin]

He says questionable still as of right now.

[Bobby Bones]

If he can play, he probably plays because they can't lose this game either, right? Like it's really. You don't have the luxury to let him get back to full health. If he's cleared to play and wants to play.

[Kevin]

Give me a good one.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm excited you're setting yourself up. Exciting other games this weekend. Seahawks and Falcons. We'll just say I don't care. Bengals, the Bills. We do care because the Bengals have to keep winning.

[Kevin]

Come on.

[Bobby Bones]

Bengals and the Bills need to win. Yeah, like both of those teams, they. They're both looking to win because it hasn't been the greatest of seasons, at least compared to the expectations that were set up on them. And they both have high octane offenses. God, I'm stupid. The game I think America's waiting for is Titans and Browns.

[Eddie]

Oh, that's a good one, dude.

[Bobby Bones]

They should just put that on like a stream.

[Eddie]

Is that in Cleveland to be.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

Yeah, it's in Cleveland.

[Eddie]

Oh, dang. Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

Commanders Vikings, nobody cares. Dolphins and Jets. That's very similar to the Titans and Browns except the Dolphins are winning a little now. But still nobody cares. Saints and Bucks. Colton Jags.

[Eddie]

We need bucks on that.

[Bobby Bones]

Colton Jags. A good game. I'm not thinking about us right now, guys. I'm just talking about general interest of the people.

[Eddie]

I'm always thinking about us.

[Bobby Bones]

Steelers at Ravens is interesting game just because it's in the division. In a division that.

Nobody'S good. Yeah.

[Kevin]

Up for grabs.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, it's so up for grabs that the Bengals could keep winning and play themselves back into it. Yeah. Broncos are Raiders. Eh, that should be a runaway. Bears at Packers. That's interesting.

[Kevin]

It's a good one.

[Bobby Bones]

It's at Green Bay, Rams at Cardinals and Texas at Chiefs is a really interesting one too.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Chiefs need to win.

[Kevin]

They both.

[Bobby Bones]

That's close to a playing game for both of them or at least a elimination game. Yeah, it's like you don't really play your way in. You just play play to keep playing. For a shot of the playoffs. Chiefs are in Kansas City, a three and a half point favorite. Monday night Eagles at Chargers. Pretty good. So that's your. Your NFL slate there. Looking at the 25 whistles parlay presented by DraftKings.

[Eddie]

It's all you, man.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. I feel like I can nail this one.

[Eddie]

I'm out.

[Kevin]

Get it.

[Bobby Bones]

I've not bet against Indiana one time. I've bet a lot of parlays with Indiana covering. I'm going Ohio State minus four.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

It's really hypocritical of me because I've.

[Eddie]

Been something that's Been working for you.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

You change. Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm gonna go Georgia - two and a half over.

[Eddie]

Alabama.

No comment. Kevin. Kevin just looked down. Kevin looked down like he didn't want to say.

[Kevin]

Something. I'm looking at the.

[Eddie]

Lines.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. What's the over under on Duke.

[Alan Robinson]

Virginia.

[Eddie]

Hmm.

Well, those two teams have high octane. What are you.

[Bobby Bones]

Thinking? I might go under low.

[Eddie]

Octane. Low.

[Bobby Bones]

Octane.

See here, I never bet an.

[Eddie]

Under.

[Bobby Bones]

Never. Dude, it makes a game so boring. It's like I'm betting to be bored.

[Eddie]

Yes. And mostly for me, it's because I have to watch the whole game to see If I.

[Kevin]

Win. 57 and a.

[Bobby Bones]

Half.

I'm going over Duke and Virginia. All right.

[Eddie]

I. It's the best when you hit that one, like, at.

[Bobby Bones]

Halftime.

[Eddie]

Done. Already hit.

[Bobby Bones]

It. And, like, I'm just watching the pace to see if they're, like, above.

[Eddie]

Schedule.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Like, if it's the average over under 60 and a half, but they've scored combined, like, 41 points in the first half. Yeah, I'm feeling pretty.

[Eddie]

Good. And then you hope the game's close so they can keep scoring on each other and raise it up. Because if it's a blowout, are they going to just lay off? Dolphins going to just sit.

[Bobby Bones]

Back? Ah, the brain of.

[Kevin]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Alan Robinson]

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As a quarterback, I love sports, but sometimes when I get hit on my blind side, front side and put.

[Ross Dellinger]

On my backside, I wonder, is sport clips better than.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Eddie]

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[Bobby Bones]

Steam towel and massaging shampoo, which is better than sports plus sport clips. It's a game changer. Check in online@sport clips.com we're going to go over now and talk to one of the most plugged in people in college football, Ross Dellinger. He's a senior college football reporter at Yahoo. Sports and we talk about the podcast that he's on. You follow him Twitter x Ross Dellinger. Here he is, Ross Dellinger. Ross, really appreciate the time. I want to start first with something happening here in town where we're seeing the Vanderbilt head coach, Clark Lee call out, let's play a game. We don't get to play. Let's just play a game. Will this ever in the history of the world happen where a college football coach just yells, let's get a game.

[Ross Dellinger]

In?

No, I don't, I don't think that's the way it works. You, you can't just suddenly yell out on a Tuesday. It's not, it's like that. It reminds me of that office episode with Michael Scott, I declare bankruptcy. And he just yells out, I declare bankruptcy. And he thinks that all of a sudden his financial worries will go away. So no, that's not how, that's not how it works at all. Coaches, I think, love the idea of controlling everything and pushing a button and making something happen. But that' logistically how it's going to.

[Bobby Bones]

Work. You do understand his frustration though, right? They lost two games. And I understand the head to head in Texas or Vanderbilt not going to make it, but the fact that Texas ranked ahead of Vanderbilt, they did beat him head to head, but Texas lost three games. So don't you, do you understand Vanderbilt's like, anger at the.

[Ross Dellinger]

System? Sure, yeah. I mean, look, there's 137 FPS teams, there's 68 power conference teams, and we have 12 playoffs. Right. The, the number of spots make up about 9% of the FPS. So 9% of FBS makes it to the postseason. Most pro sports in a lot of NCAA sports too.

At least 20% or more of a field make the playoffs. So there's a lot of frustration about.

The size of the playoff field. And that's why commissioners are.

You know, steady trying to come to some resolution or agreement to expand the field. So I think there are a lot of frustrated schools out there. And Vanderbilt has a right to be frustrated. Texas, to a degree, has a right to be frustrated. Utah is 10 and 2. They, they certainly have a right to be frustrated. But that's, that's the way it is right now with the 12 team.

[Bobby Bones]

Playoffs. I think the committee kind of sucks in that Miami beat Notre Dame, okay, so head to head. But they still have Notre Dame ranked over Miami right now. Now, but to contradict themselves, they've got Texas over Vanderbilt. Like they're kind of saying one thing, but also showing a different thing. Does this mean we need to open it up to more teams or less.

[Ross Dellinger]

Teams? Yeah, well, I mean, you know, there are some people out there that think, you know, that 12 is actually too many. Right. And we should go back to four or maybe this should be eight or six or something like that. You know, you talk to college coaches and most of them will say annually that there's six to eight teams that can win the national championship. So 12 gives us a few more than that.

12 seems like a good number. But again, when you look at other pro sports and even other NCAA sports, 9% of the field making the postseason, 9% of the, the sport making the pro season seems to be a kind of a low number. And I think that's why, you know, a lot of commissioners and athletic directors hope that commissioners come to some agreement on perhaps a 16 team field or maybe even one that has 20 teams, 20 plus.

[Bobby Bones]

Teams. Yeah, I'm in for that. It's full hunger games. Like everybody in like, no, no conference championship. We don't need them anymore because we're seeing, except for BYU maybe beating Texas Tech to get in, like the conference championship games really aren't mattering in the grand scheme. I think it's cool for like an Indiana who has never won a Big Ten championship, to be able to play in one, but I think the conference championship games don't matter as much. So let's kill this week and let's make it 32 teams. Let's use this week as the week leading in. What do you think about.

[Ross Dellinger]

That? Yeah, well, there, you know, there's a proposal from the Big Ten. It's a 2014 proposal and it would basically kill the conference championship games. Right? It would, it would force, it would force, you know, college athletic leaders to basically.

Eliminate conference championship games. And then on this week, you have perhaps you have Army, Navy, you move it up a week, and then next week you start, you know, around to the playoffs. That's sort of the idea in this 2014 bracket. You'd have multiple AQ automatic qualifiers for, for the Big Ten, four for the SEC, four for the ACC, four for the Big 12, two for the Group of Five, and six at large. So that would. That would be the format of how the playoff field would be set. That's a proposal from the Big Ten. It's be. It's under discussion. The SEC and the Big Ten have to agree for any expanded playoff format to be approved and adopted. And right now they're not agreeing. The SEC is not agreeing with that format. They want more of a smaller field, 16 teams. They only want to expand out probably to about 16 teams. And they don't want the automatic qualifiers. They. They want a bigger at large.

[Bobby Bones]

Pool. Is Juice Kiffin one of the weirder stories of the past five.

[Ross Dellinger]

Years?

It is. Yeah. It is the fact that.

I guess Lane Kiffin. I don't know the details, except that maybe Lane Kiffin doesn't own the dog or something. Yeah, the dog is with. With other people. You know, it's just, it's. It's typical, right? This, this Lane story, which I've followed now for a week, quite literally physically followed him around Mississippi and into Louisiana, is a weird one. The whole story is odd. And this is just, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Another odd part of the.

[Bobby Bones]

Story. It is brilliant because I would often see Juice Kiffin's tweets and I'm like, lane's got a dog who doesn't love A good American man with a dog. Must mean he's a pretty good person. Must mean there's some depth for love that maybe I didn't think Lane Kiffin had. Because Lane Kiffin's bouncing around everywhere loving nobody. And he has a dog. So there's that. And often during my life, I only had a dog, so I related to that. And Juice is like killing. He's tweeting out, you know, can it be Ole Miss in Georgia in the championship game? He's tweeting from the plane. Turns out he lives at a kennel. He doesn't even live with Lane. It's the most bizarre thing. Also, shout out to the person who created that as a PR tactic because it made me like Lane a little more. Because he likes.

[Ross Dellinger]

Dogs. Yeah.

Yes. A lot of people were drawn to. To Juice. In fact, I remember visiting Lane when he got well, when he Got Juice, quote, unquote, or whatever. And that was like four years, three or four years ago. And I was there in Oxford, and Juice was a puppy. And he was in the office. He was in his office. So I don't know. I don't know what to make of. Of all the Juice.

[Bobby Bones]

Dog. You know, there was an email that's like, ross is coming. Get Juice over to the office, because he's gonna write a story for sure.

What do you think the Lane situation is in at LSU and Baton Rouge? How many does he have to win a championship in three to four.

[Ross Dellinger]

Years? I think there would be a lot of disappointment if, certainly by. By year four.

If LSU did win a. At least win an SEC championship, at the very least. You know, when you get into the playoff, as big as it's gotten at 12, and it might be in four years, it might be 16 or 24 or whatever, it's kind of a crapshoot. I think people understand that. Kind of like the NCAA basketball tournament, sort of. But just getting there is important. So just competing and being in the playoff, I think is number one that you need to do.

But look, the last.

Well, before Brian Kelly, three straight LSU coaches, each one a national championship. And I believe they all did it.

In their third year. I think they all did it in their third year with all. With all championship games held in New Orleans, all just kind of odd. And so, as it turns out, I believe in 2028, the national championship game is in New Orleans, Lane's third year. So there's going to be a lot of people pointing to that, obviously.

[Bobby Bones]

With Pete golden taking the job at Ole Miss. And you could probably confirm or deny, because I don't know what to believe anymore. There's the story of Lane being in his office watching the Iron bowl and Golding coming in and being like, this is my office now. Get the crap out of here. Is that even.

[Ross Dellinger]

True?

I don't.

[Bobby Bones]

Know. Then it must not be. It must not.

[Ross Dellinger]

Be. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not sure. I. That would be pretty crazy. But then again, we know that before that game, right before that game started the meeting at the Chancellor's house, the Ole Miss Chancellor's house, which involved the Chancellor and Lane and the athletic director, Keith Carter, did. Did end. And that's where Lane sort of told them that he intended to leave. So by that point, that Saturday night, it wasn't. It was known. So it's possible that. That that happened. But that's. That's. I have not heard that do.

[Bobby Bones]

You think there is any truth to the idea of if Alabama had lost that game, that Kaylin DeBoer takes the job at Penn State and then Lane ends up going to Alabama because that's a job he really.

[Ross Dellinger]

Wanted.

I have a hard time believing that Kaylin DeBoer, first off would, would have left Alabama.

For Penn State. I, I just, I have a hard time getting over that one to begin with. That. That was a possibility. I don't know. I don't know if that was ever really a possibility. I do know that Lane takes advice and leans on certain people that probably believe that the Alabama job is a great job, certainly like Nick Saban. So I just. In order for that to happen, I think the first thing that had to happen was Kaylin leaving. And I just never believed that was a real.

[Bobby Bones]

Possibility. I now have a new possibility. You had a cat, briefly. Is that a real cat? Is that even your cat? Or are you just trying to get us to like you.

[Ross Dellinger]

Better? The cat that was. Yeah. That I had to throw off my lap. That is.

[Bobby Bones]

A. Is that really your.

[Ross Dellinger]

Cat? That is. That is my cat. I promise you. It doesn't, it doesn't spend. Although sometimes I wish it would. It doesn't spend like the weekends and other days when I'm off camera in some kennel somewhere. But it is my, it is my cat. I don't know where she went.

[Bobby Bones]

Now.

[Eddie]

Juicer. The.

[Bobby Bones]

Cat. Juice. Juice down.

[Ross Dellinger]

Yes.

Maybe.

[Bobby Bones]

No.

[Ross Dellinger]

Her. Her name is Maxine. We call her Max for.

[Bobby Bones]

Short. Do you think Indiana has the talent to play with Ohio.

[Ross Dellinger]

State? I think what Indiana's done. Look, Ohio State's the most talented team in the country. I think they have. Shoot, they probably have like five of the top 10 players in the country just on one team. So it's going to be tough. They're playing really well right now. We saw what they did in the cold and sleet and in. On the road in arbor.

But I think what Indiana has done and how their quarterback has played and how their defense, especially defensive front is played, I think they could hang around.

I don't think they're going to win. You know, I think, I think Ohio State has too many weapons. But it wouldn't shock me if they enter the fourth quarter. That's a one score.

[Bobby Bones]

Game. If it is a three or more score game, any chance they lose the.

[Ross Dellinger]

Buy? I would be surprised. I guess it depends on what happens in other games. You know, if Alabama beats Georgia, that would probably push Georgia out of the top four in the buy. If BYU were to upset Texas Tech, right. That would push Texas Tech off the buy. So if one of those two things happen, you would think even with a big, even losing significantly, Indiana would still get the buy.

If those things don't happen in Texas, Tech wins and George and Georgia wins and beats Alabama, maybe it'll be closer. But I still think pretty much no matter what, they'll get to buy that. You know, if everybody wins, that's in the four right now, they probably, except for this game, obviously, we're talking about the three of the four. If they win, they'll stay in the bind. I think Indiana does too. I think it's just where they'll slip, right? They'll probably slip to. If Georgia wins, they'll probably slip to number number three. If they lose against Ohio State, and especially if it's not like an overtime game or something. But if they lose by two or three touchdowns, they could slip to number four. Maybe beyond Texas Tech, it's possible. I don't know about slipping to five.

[Bobby Bones]

Though. I have two final questions for you. If Duke wins the ACC championship, do they get.

[Ross Dellinger]

In? That's the big question. If Duke wins, do are they ranked in front of jmu? And your listeners are probably like, what were you talking about JMU for? And I'll explain because there's a little misconception that the power conference champions, all four, the power conference champions get an AQ and there's one designated for the G5 champion. That's not right, actually. Right. It's the five highest ranked conference champions. So if the ACC champion isn't raked ahead of the second highest G5 Group of 5 champion, which would be potentially JMU, then.

Two Group of 5 champions, the American champion, either Tulane or North Texas, they play each other and JMU get into the playoff and the ACC would be left out. There's a chance that that happens if, if Duke upsets Virginia. Now, the Duke win over Virginia is a good win. I mean, Virginia's 10 and 2. They're ranked by top 15, top 17. So that would be a good win. Is it enough to jump Duke over JMU? JMU's ranked number 25 right now. Duke isn't ranked at all. So does that get them in the rankings?

That's going to be an interesting one for the committee if that all.

[Bobby Bones]

Unfolds. Yeah. Duke's had five losses, right? I mean, it's kind of hard to rank a team with five losses who lost. I mean, they lost to NC State and it wasn't counted as A.

[Ross Dellinger]

Conference game because it was already lost to.

[Bobby Bones]

UConn.

[Ross Dellinger]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Final question for.

[Kevin]

You.

[Bobby Bones]

Who. Who do you think actually can win? If you had to tier these out, who can win the national.

[Ross Dellinger]

Championship?

Certainly Ohio State.

I think Georgia. You know, I, I think Indiana's played well enough. I mean, their win at Oregon tells me a lot that they should be a contender as well.

And then I look at the way Notre Dame's playing and I look at the way Notre Dame played last year in the playoffs, and it makes me think that they can win the national championship, too, if they get in. That's another. Going to be another interesting debate by the selection.

[Bobby Bones]

Committee. No Texas Tech. No.

[Ross Dellinger]

Oregon.

Look, I mean, Texas Tech's front seven in their quarterback and how he's played.

They have the. They have the tools, I think, to do it. I don't think there's any doubt about that. And we've seen Oregon just doesn't seem to the level it was last year. Obviously, it lost in the first game last year to Ohio State in a weird format, the weird playoff format. But I think to a degree, all these teams, all these power conference teams that make the playoff have a good chance.

To make a run. And like I said earlier, it's kind of like the playoff expanded enough where it's kind of like the NCAA tournament. If you get in, who knows what could.

[Bobby Bones]

Happen? On Instagram, Ross Dellinger. And also check out College Football Inquirer, the podcast. And yeah, thanks for the time. I've been reading a lot of your lane stuff. So, yeah, excellent job. And tell the. Tell Juice the Cat we said what up? Hope you guys have a great.

[Ross Dellinger]

Day. Good deal. Thanks, guys, for having me.

[Bobby Bones]

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Now we're going to go over to former NFL wide receiver Alan Robinson. He played for the Jaguars, the Bears, the Rams, the Steelers, the Lions. After a dominant college career at Penn State where he was a two time Big Ten receiver of the year, we talk about this. He hasn't officially retired yet, but we get into it. But he does a lot of coverage on the NFL now and you can check him out. AlanRobinson11 Here he is, Alan Robinson. Hey, we were having a little debate, Allen, because there's a graphic of you that we have up on the screen and it's you as a lion, but then around the room it was like, I don't know, should it be a jaguar? Should he be a bear? Like, what would you have made you on the.

[Alan Robinson]

Graphic? Ooh, that's a great question. I probably would say a bear. That's probably what I would go with. Bear. I would say bear or jaguar. I'm kind of torn, you know, at the end of the day, for myself, I talk about it all the time. On which, you know, when it comes time to retire and what team I want to retire as, you know, I'm still kind of split down the.

[Bobby Bones]

Middle. Yeah, that's on us then. Bad graphic. We'd like to pop, we'd like to apologize for our line graphic there.

[Alan Robinson]

Alan. Listen, listen, I got a lot of love for Detroit, man. I'm from Detroit, you know, so it's all.

[Bobby Bones]

Good. You play multiple sports too, right? Were you a track.

[Alan Robinson]

Star? No, I was a basketball player. You know, I was a big basketball player. I tell everybody, man, just over, even, even now, you know, still. And in my lifetime, I've spent countless numbers of hours more in the gym than I did on the.

[Bobby Bones]

Field. Did you think you might play basketball at the next level? And when did it go from basketball to.

[Alan Robinson]

Football? Yeah, I did, you know, even then, you know, having some small offers in high school, you know, basketball wise, for me, it shifted my junior season after my junior season in, in high school, football wise, kind of when I shifted my focus going into my year for myself, you know, that's kind of, I was a Three star recruit, I think. But, you know, even a lot of that was from. I didn't go to any, like, Nike football camps or. I didn't go to anything like that. You know, for me, I was mainly playing aau. You know, I was in California, Las Vegas, Arizona, over the summer, you know, playing in these kind of.

[Bobby Bones]

Tournaments. You played at Penn and I have NFL questions too, but I'm just generally curious about your career in that you played at Penn State and you, you know, you lead the Big Ten, receptions and. But it's cold. If you'd have played somewhere warmer, don't you feel like you could have just balled out so much.

[Alan Robinson]

Harder? You know, I, I'll say this. I mean, that's, that's possible. But at the same time, you know, I think for me, especially my sophomore junior year was a combination of getting Bill o' Brien in there. He was a guy who trusted me through and through to be able to give me those opportunities, you know, and he was also was a guy who came from New England, you know, so rain, sleet, snow, hell, he was going to throw the rock. You know, there's only a couple games that I can remember where, you know, the elements affected us passing the ball. And like I said before, that was only a couple.

[Bobby Bones]

Times. Whenever you're getting ready for the draft, I know, I think you went in the second round. Like, what were they telling you pre draft? Where did you think you'd go? Who did you think you'd go to? And then how did it shake.

[Alan Robinson]

Out? Yeah, actually I thought I was going to go to the Carolina Panthers the week of the draft. So the draft was on a Thursday, I believe that Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. I spent those three days talking to Carolina receiver coach. He came to Detroit. We spent time at my high school on the board, watching film for about three days, you know, so he got to know me extremely well and it felt as if, you know, that that was a viable option as far as where I would.

[Bobby Bones]

Go. Why didn't you go there? What.

[Alan Robinson]

Happened? They end up drafting Kelvin Benjamin and you know, sometimes how the draft works is everybody has people a little bit different on their board a little bit. And when I say different, I mean a little bit different. Then when you have like the top McShays and stuff like that, like everybody's board is a little bit different. So if Kelvin Benjamin may have gotten taken early, you know, I think that they may have drafted.

[Bobby Bones]

Me. But then you go somewhere warm, you go to Jacksonville. I mean, how did that. How do you Feel good to play ball where it's not freezing.

[Alan Robinson]

Cold? It did, you know, and, and also for myself, you know, that was what I wanted to do. My, my, even in college, you know, I would tell people that I wanted to go somewhere hot when it came to the NFL. So granted, I would, I would joke at everybody and say it was Jacksonville, you know, which for me wasn't ideal, but at the end of the day it was hot and that was something that I asked.

[Bobby Bones]

For. Yeah, I'd wanted to be warm. Like I have to wear gloves just to stay warm. You just wear gloves to catch balls. I hate cold weather, by the way, Alan, if you can't tell. Hey, so you're feeling you're done though now, right? Like you're done, you're done, you're.

[Alan Robinson]

Retired. I'm not retired yet. So, I mean, you know, at the end of the day I'm a, I'll fill it out to see where my body is at next spring and stuff like that. You know, I would say that I'm definitely closer to retirement than any other time that I've been in, you know, which also may be an option next spring. But I'm not, I'm not totally done yet. I wouldn't, I wouldn't completely close the door. You know, obviously we've saw receivers in other positions come back after being a year out of ball just as far as getting their body right and stuff like.

[Bobby Bones]

That. So are you training? You staying in shape, like football.

[Alan Robinson]

Shape? Yeah, I'm in shape. Yeah, man, I, I do the same training I've been doing, you know, even, even when I was active on a team or playing, you know, I was on a treadmill last week, you know, doing some high volume sprints. You know, I hit 23 miles an hour, you know, so I'm still, I'm still in great shape, man. I'm in great.

[Bobby Bones]

Shape. If a team called right now, you can take the call right.

[Alan Robinson]

Now. I wouldn't. And that's based on a few different things, you know, again, just kind of, you know, I've been in a situation before when how much you have to learn of a playbook and stuff like that, you know, I've kind of closed, closed the door on this year, you know, but being able to possibly get on the team next year for OTAs or in the spring, you know, that would be a better option for me rather than jumping on a moving train right now. That would be a little bit tough as far as, and that's more so the, the mental Aspect of it.

[Bobby Bones]

All. I was listening to your analysis and then I was also watching some of your clips on Instagram. You guys can go, Alan Robinson, 11, and like, watch you talk about ball. How do you like that version of your career now where it's you talking about it instead of playing.

[Alan Robinson]

It? I enjoy it. You know, I look at myself as kind of like a savant a little bit when it comes to football. As far as knowing the X's and O's, knowing the ins and outs, you know, that was something that I prided myself on, on my career. So being able to, you know, speak on that, I feel very comfortable with because like I said before, whether that's communicating to my teammates, communicating to my coaches, coverages, different things up front with the. With the O line and stuff like that, being able to have a good grasp of everything that's going on. I took pride in.

[Bobby Bones]

That. We talked about the Bears earlier. I want to start with the Bears right now. If the playoffs started, they'd be the number one seed in the nfc. How about those Bears? Like, how real are the Bears this.

[Alan Robinson]

Year? I think they're real, you know, especially now as they're starting to gain confidence and pick up steam and, you know, at the end of the day, they've taken the personality of their coach. You know, I've said since day one, Ben Johnson is the real deal. You know, from the way that he coaches, how detailed he is for him, he coaches his best in crunch time and in close game. So his teams tend to play the best at that point in time, too. You know, he's not a guy who's, you know, gonna get tight when it comes to play calls and stuff like that. Man, he's going to empty the clip and he expects his players to do the.

[Bobby Bones]

Same. And I get that different humans have different personalities. But when you say a coach is detail oriented, did you ever have a coach that just didn't give a crap about details? You don't have to say who, you don't have to say who.

[Alan Robinson]

Say. I wouldn't say didn't give a crap about details, but I think there are coaches who are a little bit more detail oriented when it comes to specific splits, a specific depths, how those things happen. Because you do have some. Some offenses and stuff that's more schematic, and you do have some offenses that's more matchup.

[Bobby Bones]

Based. And so the schematic would be the more detailed. Like you have to do things exactly based on the scheme more so than who you're up.

[Alan Robinson]

Against. Exactly. Schematics and timing rather than some matchup based schemes are a little bit more loose and you know, the quarterback may wait on your timing a little bit more than a more of a scheme based offense that's predicated on.

[Bobby Bones]

Timing. What about the Dallas Cowboys? Your thoughts about the Cowboys these last few weeks? They look pretty good. Defensively, they're playing much better. You think they can make the.

[Alan Robinson]

Playoffs? They started out slow, so I think it has to do with the other teams around them. Do I think they're a caliber, a playoff caliber team right now at the moment? Yes. And even how we just kind of talked about matchup versus scheme. I think when you look at them, they have a lot of matchups up based stuff in their offense which gives Dak Prescott to kind of hold on his back foot, wait for George Pickens, wait for CD Lamb and to be able to just give those guys opportunities. And that's contested as well because you know, to, to kind of follow up on the schematic. Thing is you have some coaches, and I even heard Ben Johnson say this in his press conference, you have some coaches who don't believe 50, 50 balls are good opportunities for their offense as opposed to, you look at a team like the Dallas Cowboys, they'll throw George Pickens 50, 50 balls any day of the.

[Bobby Bones]

Week. I feel like Tua just throws all 50, 50 balls. Your.

[Alan Robinson]

Thoughts? He does. And it's funny because they're more of a, they're more of a schematic based offense, you know, so you can kind of understand how that may not play into that, you know, into the. What the Miami Dolphins are, are doing, you know, for him throwing 50, 50 balls in an offense that's majority scheme.

[Bobby Bones]

Based. Chiefs are six and six is another one of these teams going into this week. It's pretty much an elimination game as they play the Texans. You think the Chiefs make the.

[Alan Robinson]

Playoffs?

They have a tough road ahead. You know, again, playing against the Houston Texans this week, I mean we've saw what their front is like and defensively what they're doing. So do I think they have a shot? Yes. Do I think they'll get in?

[Bobby Bones]

No. When you look at the nfc, it's just a cluster of a bunch of these teams that have three losses, two, four losses, but all of them are good. Seattle, San Francisco, we talk about the Bear, the Rams, Rams had a bad loss last week to, to Carolina. But you have a lot of really good teams, but really not a team that has raised their hand to say, hey, I'm that team, who do you think it is in the.

[Alan Robinson]

Nfc? I may have to say the Seahawks. And I say the Seahawks because watching their defense and their run game, you know, throughout the course of this season their defense has continuously got better. They've been relatively healthy. They have a good run game. They have a playmaker in Jackson, Smith and Jingba. And you know, when it comes to teams making deep playoff runs and being true contenders, that's the makeup for it. Obviously you have the Rams who have probably the best quarterback in the NFC and who's playing the best right now, and they have a good defense as well. But I think Seattle Seahawks defense is a little bit more playmaking as far as how many turnovers they've been able to force and how they've capitalized on those throughout the course of the.

[Bobby Bones]

Season. The Eagles are struggling offensively. Would you put it solely on the offensive line? Like what's happening.

[Alan Robinson]

There? I put it on the offensive coordinator and I say that because when you kind of go back to the origin of Nick Sirianni and just him being a 11 based personnel kind of guy and the scheme that was originally brought there for me, like I say all the time when there's numerous players, Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley, Devonte Smith, A.J. brown, Dallas Goddard when you aren't getting and even the O line as well when you aren't getting the best out of a collective group. I can't just put it all on those guys to say that they chose to not play their best at the same time. To me that's more of a offensive scheme thing. And some things needed to be tweaks needing to be made. Again, I don't know exactly what they're running and how they're doing it, but I do know that it's not working. And when you look at it, everything just seems to be off across the board on all levels of what they're doing on.

[Bobby Bones]

Offense. What do we learn about the coaching hires? Because you have Vrabel, Patriots are killing it. You have Liam Cohen in Jacksonville, they're winning. You got Ben Johnson in Chicago, they're winning. You're talking about three teams that did not win and now here they are all performing well above what they did last year. Like what did we learn from all those coaching hires this season?

[Alan Robinson]

Season? Well, I'll say this, I think one thing that we learned is last year was a phenomenal coaching carousel as far as the options that were there. But at the same time, I don't think every year is is Equal to that, you know, like this year, as far as coaches, like, there will be some names thrown around, but when you look at some teams looking to add coaches, is who is that gonna be? You know, there may be some big names that are fired, you know, hopefully for some guys that are looking to make a big splash. But I don't think that every coaching carousel is created equally as. Like last year, you had a lot of big names. You had experience in Mike Vrabel. You had Ben Johnson, who was, you know, the hottest offensive mind. The same with Liam Cohen. You know, you looked at where he's come from and his tree and what he's done, you know, and. And I don't know if that is, you know, current right now. As far as the coaches that are coming up, don't you look at.

[Bobby Bones]

The Titans and listen, we're a national show, but we live in Nashville. Like, to fire Vrabel like that, that might have been the dumbest move in coaching in the past five years.

[Alan Robinson]

Right. I agree. You know, and again, where do you go from Vrabel? And now they're back at the drawing board as far as being able to bring in a coach. And I mean, like you said before, you're in Nashville for the Tennessee Titans. What are some of the names that you would say that would kind of maybe steer the boat back in the right direction and get back on track or kind of maybe get it to where Vrabel was? I mean, and again, I think that's extremely tough.

[Bobby Bones]

Acts. Yeah. And because they don't invest here, like, there's a reason that they call this a poverty program. Like, there's a reason that the Titans usually weren't good even with a great coach. Like, Vrabel had some really good teams. But now you see, those were Vrabel led teams, not Titans organization teams. Like, there are certain organizations that are just not good.

[Alan Robinson]

Right. Listen, that's a. That's a con. That's a full conversation for. For another day. I think as a player, you get that and you understand that once you go to a few places that again, everything is not created equal in the NFL as far as organizationally, you know, facility wise, what the standard is cafeteria wise. Across the board, man, everything is not created equally. And sometimes you have those teams in a. Like you were saying, in a situation where they have Mike Vrabel, they can't contend. But other than that, you know, you have teams where if they don't have a phenomenal coach who's able to rally some good pieces around for the most part, you know, they're just gonna kind of fade to black, you know, and they'll be. They'll be relevant. When I say they, meaning some of the team that you're speaking of. They'll be relevant every blue moon, but not.

[Bobby Bones]

Consistently. Yeah, Titans, Cardinals, like.

[Alan Robinson]

Just. See, there you.

[Bobby Bones]

Go. Yeah, no, yeah, I keep going on that, but like you said that that's for another.

[Alan Robinson]

Day. Did you have even.

[Bobby Bones]

Cincinnati. Look at Cincinnati. They've just now got an indoor facility just now to practice.

[Eddie]

In.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. All right, look, tell me the truth. Best food when you played, who had the best.

[Alan Robinson]

Cafeteria? Best cafeteria food, I would say.

It'S a toss up between Pittsburgh and Detroit. Both of those have very, very good food. Very good food options. It's funny because when I was in Jacksonville. Shout out to Jacksonville. Because I always joke and say going into it, it was. Say for me, being a young player, I didn't think too much of it, but. And again, they've. They've made some additions. Shout out to the con family because they have made some changes, you know, since they've taken over. And once I got there, they were relatively new to the ownership of the Jacksonville Jaguars, but we didn't consistently eat in the cafeteria. A lot of things that took place there, going from Jacksonville to Chicago to. Whereas you have an entire practice facility, you know, where you come in there, you see all the trophies, you see the cafeteria, you know, so it's been a lot different, you know, from. From place to place, but food wise, I got to give it to Pittsburgh or.

[Bobby Bones]

Detroit. Let me ask you one final question here. And we appreciate the time, but when you were playing college ball, the hardest stadium to play in as a.

[Alan Robinson]

Visitor. Hardest stadium to play in. Funny, because I only play. I played at Ohio State twice. I won there once. I would say possibly Nebraska, and I say Nebraska because the time that we played there, man, it. Not only is it a pretty hostile environment, but the winds were absolutely ridiculous. You know, I know that's kind of smack dab in the Midwest, you know, around what you have in that area. Iowa, I think Kansas and stuff is close and in that. In that kind of region. And I always hear about the wind there. And sure enough, when we did play there, we were trying to find pockets of the field and stadium to pass the ball. I remember before the game, Bill o' Brien coming to me, like, listen, man, like, it's gonna be some spots where we could take some shots, but right now, this stadium is like a complete wind tunnel. And I don't know if we're going to be able to air it out how we want it. So that was. That was something that I always remembered, and I didn't know if it was like that, but I know. Same thing. Going to Iowa, you find wind, tunnels, rain. But Nebraska was a little bit more. It was a little bit more turnt up than Iowa.

[Bobby Bones]

Was. Hey, Alan, good luck if you decide to go back and play ball again next year or, you know, as you continue your career in talking about football, because you obviously know the game as good as anybody. Like, good luck in that. We really appreciate the time. You guys can follow Alan. Alan Robinson 11 on Instagram Allen. Hope you stay healthy. Hope you have a great holiday. Thank you very.

[Alan Robinson]

Much. I appreciate it, man. Thanks for having.

[Bobby Bones]

Me. All right.

It's funny sometimes when you realize as an adult how you were lied to as a kid. And I told the story many times about me finding out about my dog that was sent away to a.

[Eddie]

Farm. Oh.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And I was 40 years old when I found out. I was like.

[Eddie]

What? That's not what.

[Bobby Bones]

Happened. That's not what.

[Kevin]

Happened. He.

[Bobby Bones]

Died? Yeah, they put it down. He bit.

[Ross Dellinger]

People. Oh.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. But they told me that they. Arkansas, Keith's friend who lived, like, on the outskirts. And I thought that my whole life. And then one day I was telling my wife, and she was like, that's not.

[Ross Dellinger]

True. Wait, she knew and you didn't.

[Bobby Bones]

Know? No, she just knew. It was such an absurd story that they sent him to, like, out of town. I never saw him.

[Eddie]

Again. Bobby fell for it as a.

[Bobby Bones]

Kid, you know, And I still was holding on to it. So I called him. He's like, no, I ain't happening.

[Eddie]

Dead. Shot it.

[Bobby Bones]

Man. He didn't even know that. He didn't even know that I didn't.

[Kevin]

Know.

[Bobby Bones]

Dang. Eddie has a similar one about the Mike Ditko.

[Eddie]

Restaurant. This was like, I don't know, 20 years ago. Nah, probably like 15 years.

[Bobby Bones]

Ago. Oh, you weren't a.

[Eddie]

Child. No, no, no. Fifteen years ago, my wife and I go to Chicago and it's our first time there, and we see there's a Ditka's restaurant. And I'm like, oh, Mike Ditka, the coach. And like, let's go eat there. So we walk in there, and it's pretty empty, but the bartender's like, man, pick wherever you want to sit. And I was like, hey, does Mike Ditka ever come around? He's like, dude, you just missed him five minutes ago. He was here sitting at the bar, had lunch and everything. You just missed him. I'm like, dang, that's crazy. I've thought of that about that my whole life. Like, I could have met Mike.

[Kevin]

Ditka. Your whole life?

[Eddie]

Yeah.

If I would have got there five minutes sooner, I could have met Mike Ditka. I was telling a friend of mine from Chicago this story, and he goes, oh, dude, they tell that to everyone. Like, he's never there, you know? But, like, they say that so that you can say, like, yeah, dude, you missed him five minutes ago. He was here. Come back again. He might come back.

[Kevin]

Tonight. Ah, that's smart.

[Bobby Bones]

Damn. Or just that you tell people about it. Yeah, he goes there all the time about the.

[Eddie]

Bar.

[Alan Robinson]

So.

[Eddie]

Dude. And like, this was just the other day, and I was like, I've thought that he was really there my whole.

[Kevin]

Life. Did your buddy give you crap for.

[Eddie]

It?

[Kevin]

Yeah. You actually fell for.

[Eddie]

That. You really thought he.

[Bobby Bones]

Was. Well, I thought you were a child. I didn't realize you're like, 30 years old when that.

[Eddie]

Happened. Dude, that restaurant's crazy, though. They have a Bloody Mary drink that's called, I think, Mike's Bloody Mary. Because Mike. Mike obviously drinks.

[Bobby Bones]

It. He probably just had one for.

[Alan Robinson]

You. Got.

[Eddie]

There. That's what he was drinking five minutes before I got there. And it has, like, a chicken finger in it. It has, like, a hot dog in it. It has shrimp in.

[Bobby Bones]

It.

[Eddie]

It. It's just loaded. It's the biggest drink I've ever seen in my.

[Bobby Bones]

Life. I'm like, did you get.

[Eddie]

One? No, no, I wouldn't drink.

[Bobby Bones]

That. Got.

[Kevin]

It. That's too.

[Bobby Bones]

Much. I got a couple things before we jump. So I saw this clip, and it was Odell Beckham talking about the struggles of $100 million contract and how it's cut in half and how you can't have generational wealth. Here is Odell Beckham Jr. Talking about this on the Pivot.

[Alan Robinson]

Podcast. I always explain this to people like, bro, you give somebody a five year, $100 million contract, right? What is it really? It's five years for 60. You're getting tax that's 12 a year. You know that you have to spend, use, save, save, invest, flaunt, like, whatever. However, just being real, I'm a buy a car, I'm. Give my mom a house. I'm going to do everything costs.

[Ross Dellinger]

Money. So.

[Alan Robinson]

You. If you spending $4 million a year, that's really 40 million over five years, eight a year, you know, and now you. You start breaking down the Numbers. It's like that's a five year span of where you're getting 8 million. Can you make that last forever? And are you always here to people who ain't us and ain't been in the.

[Ross Dellinger]

Position? Like, oh well, that would last a.

[Eddie]

Lifetime. What is he talking.

[Bobby Bones]

About? Has there ever been a more out of touch.

[Eddie]

Human? What is he talking about? You can make that.

[Bobby Bones]

Last? Yeah, you can make that.

[Eddie]

Last. You gotta take that middle part out though, where you're gonna spend a little bit.

[Alan Robinson]

Of. By.

[Kevin]

Car. By car, spend a little here, spend a little.

[Bobby Bones]

There. Then after you do all the spending, you only got 8 million left. Well, stop all that.

[Kevin]

Spending.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

Put into.

Like there's stuff that we do that we put it into these accounts, I don't know what they are. And it just gets interest. It's not even like a bank account or say we're off and all that stuff. And then also it's like investment accounts too, where people like manage these massive accounts. And there are just ways that you make money if you have money. It's.

[Eddie]

Crazy. Now I understand being given $60 million. It's tempting, right? Like I just made $60 million. Like right now it's in my hands, I can buy a boat. Like I get. The spending is tempting and he has. But you can make generational wealth with that.

[Kevin]

Money. Also his endorsements though, he didn't even talk about that. I mean salary OBJ is when he was in his prime, like 10 years ago, whatever it was, he was.

[Bobby Bones]

Everywhere. His cars. He's got a $353,000 Rolls Royce, a $337,000 Ferrari, a $220,000 Lamborghini Huracan Spider. That's how you say that.

So he's.

[Eddie]

Got. Okay.

At that point you're not thinking about your generation like the next generation, right? You're thinking about.

[Kevin]

You. And he's got a kid.

[Eddie]

Too. I'm sure the kid will be.

[Kevin]

Fine. I'm sure he will.

[Bobby Bones]

Too. But that's crazy to think.

And here is the unfair thing about what he starts with. Well, if you get $100 million, you get taxed. Well, if somebody makes $80,000 a year, they also get taxed. Now it's not the exact same tax rate, but it's also not a clear $80,000, it's 63,000 or whatever the tax. So it's not like only rich get money taken off, everybody does. So whatever you claim, the taxes come out of.

[Eddie]

It. But I do see, I see what he's Saying with, you think it's this much, but it's after.

[Kevin]

Taxes.

[Bobby Bones]

It's. But it's the same thing. If somebody says I make a hundred thousand a year, they're not getting $100,000 in a.

[Ross Dellinger]

Year.

[Eddie]

Right. But when you say millions, it seems like a whole different, different ball.

[Bobby Bones]

Game. But it's the.

[Eddie]

Same. It is the same. You're.

[Bobby Bones]

Right. Anyway, I thought that's a funny clip. Really out, really, really out of touch. A drunk 90 year old man in California survived after crashing his car into a coffee shop on Thanksgiving. The shop was closed at the time. We talk about old people doing.

[Eddie]

Stuff.

[Kevin]

Yes. I wonder if you recovered.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. He's pointing out.

[Eddie]

Return. How old was.

[Bobby Bones]

He?

[Eddie]

90.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

Car plowed into the Los Gatos Coffee Roasting Company Thanksgiving.

[Kevin]

Night. The.

[Bobby Bones]

Cats. Is that what that.

[Eddie]

Is? Yeah, Los.

[Bobby Bones]

Gatos. According to police, the driver was a 90 year old man. Nobody was inside the shop at the time. It was closed for the holiday. The driver was hospitalized and now listed in stable condition. Police are investigating the.

[Eddie]

Incident. Ksbw, this is nothing like that. But I remember when I, I was at the beach, you know, and they have those go kart races, okay. And it was time to, you know, they put the red light, like, all right, put the cart back. And it was like last lap and I was going and everyone had already in front of me put the cart back. People were getting out of their go karts and like I hit the gas instead of the brake. Dude, I nailed all of them. People were falling out and everything. And I'll never forget that. It's probably what this old man felt like when. I don't know what he did, but he maybe hit the gas instead of the brake. I've been there.

[Kevin]

Done. Wasn't a coffee.

[Eddie]

Shop. I didn't go in a coffee shop. But I. Dude, I'll never forget people's faces like, what are you doing? And the guy, the guy say, hit the brake, don't hit the.

[Bobby Bones]

Gas. That.

[Kevin]

Sucks.

[Eddie]

Embarrassing. I'll never forget.

[Bobby Bones]

It. Okay, I think that's it. Anything guys, I know it's a.

[Kevin]

Local thing, but Vanderbilt, man, they're up and coming. Those.

[Bobby Bones]

Recruits. See them flipping well, yeah, they have.

[Kevin]

Money. I know. I thought it's.

[Eddie]

Great. Who's giving them that money?

[Bobby Bones]

Napergazi? I don't know. I don't know where they're.

[Eddie]

Getting. Are you, you're not doing.

[Bobby Bones]

National? They do. They, they. I'm not giving them any money. It's not my team.

Yes, they have money. I mean the Arkansas guy came in and who's our new coach? Silverfield. And got a bunch of the Arkansas recruits in the state, like the top four of the five that were other places. People are like, man, he's really changing it up. No, no, he just has more money now. That's what it is. People are more confident in him than the last administration. So they're giving him more money to go and spend on players coming in. So it's not about coaches just giving a better speech in the living.

[Kevin]

Room. Yeah, but Clark Lee, he's legit. But they're also getting more money because he's turned it around with Diego and all that. And yeah, confidence in.

[Bobby Bones]

Donors. They got the number one quarterback, the five star. Plus that was going to Georgia.

[Kevin]

Right down the street.

[Bobby Bones]

Here. Oh, he's from. Yeah. And he was going to Georgia.

[Kevin]

And he's going to.

[Bobby Bones]

Georgia. I knew that. I didn't know he lived here.

[Kevin]

Though.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. What's the name? I saw him. I didn't recognize it either. It wasn't like Willie Payton or anything. Willie, man. Willie Manning. Peyton's other.

[Eddie]

Nephew. When you, when you like give money to, do you have to give it to them right away or can you like pledge.

[Bobby Bones]

It.

Different? There's not a real. There's still no, like policing. Yeah. Wild west, you can do whatever you want. But most of the time, if the stuff that I've done, I've just given them the money straight up. Yeah. Or I've just committed to doing nils outside of. Because you can do that. You can hire people. It doesn't have to go. You have to clear it through like the people that go. So anything over $599, you have to go through a board that says, okay, this is actual nil money because you are using them for name, image and likeness. Before that, a collector could just come together and go, we just promise you all this money if you come to play for us. Like, there's no name, image, likeness. It's just. We just promise you this money. You can't really do that the same.

[Kevin]

Anymore. This might be in the weeds. Too much. And I don't know if you can say it or not, but like when you put. When you donate into the nil, do they tell you exactly where it's going.

[Bobby Bones]

Going? It's not really. So now it's more profit sharing. You can do nil outward. There are a lot. And everybody does it differently. The policing is so different. There's no.

[Kevin]

Policing. I just didn't know if you're like hey, I'm giving you $10,000. It's got to go.

[Ross Dellinger]

Towards.

[Kevin]

Yeah. This guy or this program. Not the basketball.

[Bobby Bones]

Football. Some schools probably do that. But I think that if you're going to do that, they would want you to do it.

[Ross Dellinger]

Yourself.

[Eddie]

Gotcha. Give it to them.

[Bobby Bones]

Directly. Well. And then they need to work their name image like this part of it. Because players also are getting paid. Not through nil, through the profit share with the 20 million or so that each school gets now. And they're committing money to each.

[Eddie]

Person. That way that profit share.

[Bobby Bones]

Equal. No. Yes, yes and no. But not for power. Depending on. If you play in, like, G5.

[Eddie]

Power four, but the quarterback gets the.

[Bobby Bones]

Same. No, no, no. Not at.

[Eddie]

All.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. No, no, no, no. I thought you meant to eat. Did the schools get about the same amount of.

[Eddie]

Money? No, no.

[Bobby Bones]

No. I'm asking, like, players that. But not all schools do because they don't create.

[Eddie]

The. They.

[Kevin]

Don'T. Yeah, right. The.

[Bobby Bones]

Revenue. Right. But no, no. If you want a great player, you pay them more.

[Eddie]

Money. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. And I've probably said a couple things wrong. And all of that depending on what school you're a fan of. I just know how a few schools do it, and those are different ways than other schools are doing it. The. The dude, how it's done is still so wide open, and you wouldn't really win a lawsuit. Lose a lawsuit either way because there are no real.

[Kevin]

Rules. That's.

[Bobby Bones]

Crazy. It's.

[Eddie]

Crazy. You think Sam Houston state would take.

[Bobby Bones]

500? I think you could donate to the foundation or you could. Yeah. I mean, I think there's a way to do.

[Eddie]

It. Yeah. I mean, you know, like, give them, like 100 bucks. And I owe.

[Bobby Bones]

Baby. What are you gonna get, like a backup.

[Eddie]

Hunter? I don't know. Whatever they want to use it.

[Kevin]

For. Go to, like, a quarterback in Texas in high school right now, like, hey, man, got something for.

[Eddie]

You. Use it wisely.

[Kevin]

Boys. Sam Houston.

[Bobby Bones]

State. I.

[Kevin]

Would. Jared Curtis, by the.

[Bobby Bones]

Way. What? What's.

[Kevin]

Up? Jared Curtis is his.

[Bobby Bones]

Name. Oh, is the.

[Kevin]

Quarterback.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Eddie Bloy. All right, thank you, guys. See you next week.

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