25W: Why Bobby Loved Shane Gillis' ESPYs Monologue + Nick Saban's Next Coaching Spot with Stewart Mandel + Kickoff Kevin Admits He Was Wrong

Summary

The Bobby Bones Show – Episode 25W Summary

Release Date: July 17, 2025
Host: Bobby Bones
Episode Title: 25W: Why Bobby Loved Shane Gillis' ESPYs Monologue + Nick Saban's Next Coaching Spot with Stewart Mandel + Kickoff Kevin Admits He Was Wrong

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1. Shane Gillis’ ESPYs Monologue Appreciation

Timestamp: 02:00 – 07:00

Bobby Bones kicks off the episode with enthusiastic praise for Shane Gillis' performance during the ESPYs. Despite facing roasting from traditional media, Bobby found Gillis' monologue "awesome" and highlighted his ability to deliver humor without being mean-spirited.

• Bobby Bones [02:22]: “If you were a sports fan and you like comedy, it was awesome. Because people in the room weren't comfortable doesn't mean it wasn't hilarious.”

Bobby and his co-hosts dissect several jokes from Gillis' act, emphasizing the delicate balance he maintained between roasting and respect. A standout moment discusses the Caitlin Clark joke, which received mixed reactions from the audience.

• Kevin [03:51]: “Caitlin Clark. She and I have a lot in common. We're both whites from the Midwest who have nailed a bunch of threes.”

Despite some audience discomfort, Bobby defends Gillis' approach, asserting that the comedian was “the perfect guy to do it.”

• Bobby Bones [06:30]: “Couldn't have done better because there were enough uncomfortable people.”

The segment also touches on other notable jokes, including references to Shaq threatening RG3 over Angel Reese's controversial tweets, showcasing the edgy humor that Gillis brought to the stage.

2. All-Star Baseball Game and Entertainment Innovations

Timestamp: 07:00 – 15:00

Transitioning from comedy to sports, Bobby and his team delve into the recent All-Star Game's innovative "swing-off" feature, likening it to penalty kicks in soccer. They express enthusiasm for fast-paced entertainment to attract younger audiences.

• Bobby Bones [08:26]: “It was basically home run derby at the end of the game. What a fun way...”

The discussion highlights the potential for such innovations to make baseball more engaging, proposing ideas like integrating swing-offs into regular season games to prevent lengthy extra innings.

• Bobby Bones [11:45]: “I think one of the really cool things to do would be to make this... just the swing off.”

Bobby critiques traditional baseball pacing, advocating for changes that could rejuvenate the sport's appeal without alienating traditionalists.

3. Red Sox Performance and Fan Reactions

Timestamp: 32:26 – 34:00

In a candid segment, Bobby addresses his co-host Kevin’s change of heart regarding the Boston Red Sox. Kevin admits that trading Devers was the right move as the team has since improved and is now on a winning streak.

• Eddie [32:28]: “I do. It's taking me a while to get here...”

• Bobby Bones [33:24]: “They haven't lost since Trump was there.”

This admission underscores the dynamic nature of sports fandom and the importance of allowing teams to make strategic decisions without undue criticism.

4. Interview with Stuart Mandel: College Football and NIL

Timestamp: 35:12 – 51:25

Bobby welcomes Stuart Mandel, Editor-in-Chief of The Athletic and host of the Audible podcast, to discuss pressing issues in college football, particularly Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) regulations and their impact on the sport.

Key Discussion Points:

• NIL and Collectives:
  Stuart explains recent developments where the NCAA's commission deemed collectives as invalid business entities, challenging their role in athlete compensation.

  • Stuart Mandel [36:39]: “Collectives don't serve a valid business purpose... they're not going to approve the deals.”

• Potential Collective Bargaining:
  The conversation explores the possibility of a collective bargaining agreement emerging in college sports, similar to professional leagues.

  • Stuart Mandel [37:01]: “I do think some form of collective bargaining is coming at some point...”

• Nick Saban’s Future:
  Discussing rumors about Nick Saban considering a move, Stuart speculates potential destinations like Oklahoma, emphasizing Saban's fit with powerhouse programs.

  • Stuart Mandel [38:05]: “Oklahoma... it's a powerhouse program that you can win national championships at...”

• College Football Playoffs and Conference Realignments:
  They analyze recent changes in the College Football Playoff system and the disbanding of conferences like the PAC-12, predicting shifts towards Big Ten and SEC dominance.

  • Stuart Mandel [40:43]: “Last year it just so happened that Boise ended up finishing ahead of Clemson...”

• Heisman Trophy Predictions:
  Stuart offers insights into potential Heisman contenders, balancing expectations between high-profile names like Arch Manning and emerging talents like Kate Klubnick.

  • Stuart Mandel [50:18]: “I do like Kate Clubin's chances...”

The interview concludes with discussions on coaching contracts, the financial implications of buyouts, and the evolving landscape of college football in response to NIL and transfer portals.

5. Personal Anecdotes and Closing Remarks

Timestamp: 51:25 – End

Bobby shifts the tone towards personal stories, sharing his recent experience with dental work and his dedication to flossing, which humorously affects his speech.

• Bobby Bones [54:37]: “I went and I got my tooth fixed... I'll just get another tooth put on.”

He also touches on his venture into comedy outside of the show, joking about performing new material at the Grand Ole Opry and experimenting with musical elements, highlighting his creative endeavors beyond sports commentary.

• Bobby Bones [58:22]: “I talk about being allergic to dairy and being from the south is like being a cowboy allergic to his horse.”

The episode wraps up with teasers for upcoming segments and thanks to the crew, maintaining a light-hearted and personal connection with the audience.

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Notable Quotes:

• Bobby Bones [06:30]: “Couldn't have done better because there were enough uncomfortable people.”
• Stuart Mandel [36:39]: “Collectives don't serve a valid business purpose... they're not going to approve the deals.”
• Bobby Bones [58:22]: “I talk about being allergic to dairy and being from the south is like being a cowboy allergic to his horse.”

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Conclusion

This episode of The Bobby Bones Show masterfully blends humor with insightful sports commentary, offering listeners a deep dive into Shane Gillis’ comedic prowess, innovative changes in baseball, evolving dynamics in college football, and personal anecdotes from the host. Whether you're a sports enthusiast or a comedy aficionado, Bobby and his team deliver a rich and engaging listening experience.

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Transcript

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Bobby Bones]

This is a podcast called 25 Whistles. Talking sports. And they all wear a whistle. Yeah, it's stupid, but what did you expect? It's a PODC. 25 whistles. 25 whistles. Hello, welcome to the show. Eddie Blow Whistle. I want to start with Shane Gillis's espy's monologue, which he was getting roasted pretty hard by, like, traditional media. It was awesome. If you were a sports fan and you like comedy, it was awesome. Because people in the room weren't comfortable doesn't mean it wasn't hilarious. People in the room were not comfortable at first because he went hard.

[Eddie]

It was great.

[Bobby Bones]

It was a plus. It was so good. He also wasn't mean. He roasted, but he wasn't mean. He didn't punch down. He was perfect for it. And I was so irritated watching some of the reviews. Like, audience doesn't laugh. During Shane Gillis's espy Monologue because the audience was scared they were next. The audience was like, oh, God, hope he doesn't come at me. It was perfect. He was the perfect guy to do it. I'm going to play some of the jokes, so why don't we go with the clip one. This is the Shohei. I don't want to run the joke, so go ahead, Mike.

[Kevin]

Shohei Ohtani couldn't make it tonight, man. I hope his interpreter didn't bet that he was going to be here. Shohei is a once in a generation talent. No one's been able to do what he does at so many positions. Pitcher, hitter and bookie. A bookie is what Bill Belichick reads to his girlfriend before bedtime. Sugar Ray Leonard's here. Hell yeah, Sugar Ray, you're the man. But in 10 years, Jake Paul is going to try to knock you out. So take it easy.

[Bobby Bones]

And this is near the end, so the crowd's kind of gotten into it at this point. And I'm just kind of playing some in order of where I. So this one is the one that people were upset. Some people were upset about. This is the Caitlin Clark joke, The Waffle House joke. It was super funny. Unless your little butt gets hurt at anything, go ahead.

[Kevin]

Caitlin Clark. She and I have a lot in common. We're both whites from the Midwest who have nailed a bunch of threes. All right, there you go. Lighten up a little. This is not serious. We'll see about this one. When Caitlin Clark retires from the wnba, she's going to work at a Waffle House so she can continue doing what she loves most. Fist fighting black women.

[Mike]

Hard on that one.

[Bobby Bones]

It was hard. So funny. Okay.

[Mike]

The three. The threes is awesome, dude. Yeah, nailing the threes.

[Bobby Bones]

My favorite joke. And I'll go ahead and get to it. Now do number seven. This is my favorite joke of the entire night. And I think people were confused a little while it happened, which was part of the joke.

[Kevin]

Four time WNBA All Star Brittany Hicks is here. Give it up for Brittany, everybody.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm.

[Kevin]

I'm joking around. That's my friend's wife. I knew none of you knew WNBA players. That's crazy. You clap for that.

[Mike]

That is so good.

[Bobby Bones]

That's my favorite joke of the night. The crowd's like, yep, yeah, Brittany Hicks.

[Mike]

I mean, I was even clapping.

[Bobby Bones]

Brittany Hicks, four time all Star. It's an honor. She's here.

[Mike]

That is crazy.

[Bobby Bones]

It's so funny. So let's do the clip 4 alien joke.

[Kevin]

Joe Rogan actually wanted Me to be here to host this award show so that I could capture Adam Silver because Joe thinks he's an alien. And Donald Trump wanted me to be here to capture Juan Soto for the same reason.

[Eddie]

Dang, he got booed on that one.

[Mike]

Dude. He's going hard.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, dude, I'm telling you, it was perfect. Yeah, it was pissing off a little group. A little bit of the group was like, I don't know if I should laugh because camera's on me. And the other group's just like dying laughing. And that. That was shifting throughout the whole crowd. Go ahead and hit the next one.

[Kevin]

Donald Trump wants to stage a UFC fight on the White House lawn. The last time he staged a fight in dc, Mike Pence almost died.

[Bobby Bones]

The crowd down. And they were like, dud. That was a good one, too. Excellent. One more.

[Kevin]

Actually, there was supposed to be an Epstein joke here, but as it got deleted. Must have probably deleted itself, right? Probably never existed, actually. Let's move on as a country and ignore that.

[Bobby Bones]

Crushed. If you get a minute, like 10, go watch the entire monologue on TikTok and you've heard a lot of the jokes. Is great. Couldn't have done better because there were enough uncomfortable people. And when you have that style, you can't judge how good or bad it is based on the reaction of the crowd because at the beginning of that, it would just. Huh.

[Mike]

And you're so right. With cameras there, you don't want to react.

[Bobby Bones]

And there were celebrities that wouldn't laugh or you would see them trying not to laugh because they knew the cameras were right on them. Because what happens when you're at an award show? You know where the cameras are because the cameraman has a camera on his shoulder and he gets right in freakin front of you.

[Mike]

Yeah. They don't zoom there.

[Bobby Bones]

No. Yeah. It's not from like a corner. You know, at any point, they're probably gonna show your face because it's happened. When I've been to these award shows, if they're gonna put me on or somebody next to me, they'll put the camera right on the shoulder and be right. And you're like, oh, God, I don't know what to do with my face. Oh, that joke's offensive, but it's really funny. What do I do?

[Eddie]

Because then you look like a bad guy.

[Diego Pavia]

Yes.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

I think Lamar's head was down at one point and that the camera on him. His head was down on the Shador.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, he did a joke about Shador. Sanders did a Whole thing where he was first, it was like, ah, that's. That's not nepotism. Nepotism because he went 13 and 12 and almost won the Alamo Bowl. That's why his jersey was retired. And Lamar's like, oh, yeah, yeah. He's like, his jersey's retired. That's not nepotism. Come on. Look at the. Look at the stats. He was 13 and 12 and almost on the Alamo Bowl. Yeah, it was good. Oh, I do want to play the clip of Shaq threatening RG3.

[Mike]

Well, that was intense.

[Bobby Bones]

Good. He takes his sunglasses off too.

[Mike]

He does, man.

[Bobby Bones]

Looks right on camera. Yeah. Shaq was on a podcast recently and threatened to beat up RG3 because RG3 keeps coming at Angel Reese. But mostly was about that retweet of the graphic that somebody did and really, really, really poor taste of angel Reese. And RG3 didn't have to retweet that and make the comment. He. He really didn't.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And so Shaq says this on. @jillianbow on Twitter's page. Here you go. Oh, Speaking of Man, RG3 tweet another monkey post about my girl angel punch. In your face. Okay, it's enough. Like, I don't usually do stuff like this, but just stop it, bro. You got your job. You got your podcast. Leave my Angela Reese alone. I'm the one calling her and telling her not to respond. Stop it. That's the last time. Yeah. I wouldn't want Shaq coming after me.

[Mike]

No.

[Bobby Bones]

That I'm scared he wouldn't catch me if I'm RG3. But if he does. If he does, that's trouble. We had the All Star game a couple nights ago, and I fell asleep and stopped watching after, like, the first inning. And we came in, and I had seen that they did the swing off at the end. I loved it. Awesome. I didn't watch it live. I would never watch anything that late live on a weeknight because unless it's Arkansas playing. Cause I gotta go to bed. But that was really cool. I wish they would do that in major league games instead of extra innings.

[Mike]

Oh, that'd be amazing.

[Eddie]

That'd be fun.

[Bobby Bones]

What was bizarre to me. And again, I missed it live, so I'm not gonna act like I was so Die Hard. And I was up watching, having these thoughts. I watched it all in clips the next day. I'm like, oh, this is super cool. It's basically home run derby at the end of the game. And that. What a fun way, because I Said to Eddie, it was like penalty kicks in soccer, which I think is the best part of a soccer match. Penalty kicks, because they don't score any goals. We at least get to some goals scored and thought that was super cool. And that would be super cool if they implemented that in, like, the first half of the regular season. Because they're going to be like, well, we can't do this in meaningful games.

[Mike]

Right?

[Bobby Bones]

Fine.

[Mike]

That makes sense.

[Bobby Bones]

They do take the runner off second base in the playoffs for extra innings. And people were way against that in extra innings at first. But if you just play extra innings with nobody on, those stupid games go 17, 18, 19 innings sometimes. It's crazy. And baseball's already slow and thought of as boring. So I love for the first half of the year, if they would do that swing off. It was so cool. Yeah. Secondly, and now I think everybody knows, but people were going, where's Ohtani? Where's Judge? Why aren't they the ones hitting the balls?

[Mike]

Yeah, because they. They go. They go to the managers, right? Like, all right, American League, use your manager, Boone. Like, who are you going to have hitting? And he's like, name three people. Like who?

[Bobby Bones]

Right. Like what?

[Mike]

You have Aaron Judge. Like who? They're not there.

[Bobby Bones]

They're not there. They went home. I never knew they went home in the middle of the game.

[Eddie]

Wild.

[Bobby Bones]

This is how I found out that the players leave in the middle of the game. Unless you may be the mvp, then you stay. But other than you just go home.

[Mike]

Some dudes, like, when the locker room changed their clothes and they were like, in regular street clothes, came out and watched the game. Yeah, I get it. But if you.

[Bobby Bones]

How fun would it have been to see him in street clothes bombing ball?

[Eddie]

That was awesome. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Like they call him from the bleachers. That would have been sick. I propose because, again, baseball is not a sport that makes big changes or any change quick. But they are a sport now that starts to see young people don't care as much as they used to. And you're also seeing the Savannah bananas sell out like crazy. Impossible to get tickets. So what are we going to do to grow baseball? Because we are seeing that baseball can be grown if done right. And I think one of the really cool things to do would be to make this. I'm not going to say the whole season, not going to say the playoffs. Traditionalists will have a frigging fit the first half of the season leading up to the All Star Game, any game, going into extra innings, you do the friggin swing off.

[Eddie]

Yeah, that'd be fun.

[Bobby Bones]

Be awesome.

[Eddie]

And then even as a fan, you're like. Because if it goes to extras, you're like, I'm out of here. I'm not going to stick around. Who knows how long this is going to last.

[Mike]

And how they did it too, with like, you get three swings is awesome.

[Bobby Bones]

So cool.

[Mike]

What was also cool, too, is the.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you watch it live? I did.

[Mike]

Well, I had money on it.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, you bet it.

[Mike]

On the American League. So when they came back, I'm like to watch this thing. What was really cool, though, were the pitch reviews.

[Bobby Bones]

So I was going to bring that up next. So they. They did it before the season started, so in spring training. And so the ABS system. Yeah, whatever that system is, the ABS Challenge system. I would love for that to be a permanent part of the game. But not with no ump, because that just looks weird if there's just a catcher and a batter.

[Mike]

Somebody has to get hit by the ball back there.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I think eventually, whatever. Robot umpire. I think being able to challenge is great, especially with money now being bet. And I'm not the first person to say now that money's being bet on games, you need to get it right. When you can legally allow betting. You need to make sure the call is right. And that's what happened.

[Mike]

Yeah, it was so smooth.

[Bobby Bones]

Bottom of the first inning. I actually saw it being used because it was like the first inning of the game. Pretty cool. Yeah. There was even a challenge on a call.

[Mike]

There was one where it was just a sliver of a hit of a strike. Like, I mean, dude, it barely touched it. But, like, that's legit. It's real. You can't argue it.

[Bobby Bones]

I think umpires are needed. I like humans. I'm pro human, by the way. I want everybody to know you can't be any more pro human than me. But I do think balls and strikes for sure needs to be able to be reviewed, because everything else can be reviewed. And if we want to do it the first half of the year, great, because we've done it in spring training. We do it in the All Star Game. Let's just see how it goes for the first half of the year. Actually make it in some games that matter.

[Mike]

Yeah, I feel like the umps, you know, I would not, speaking for every umpire out there, but I feel like they like to be right. You know, they got a little bit of power.

[Bobby Bones]

It's embarrassing.

[Eddie]

Some have big egos.

[Bobby Bones]

It's ridiculous. I think it's embarrassing even Ego aside, I think it kind of sucks if you're wrong anyway. Yes. Even if you're not a big ego person, like, your job is to get it right. Let's say take balls and strikes out of it. Let's say tag at second out. All right. We want to review. And you go on review. You're just praying, oh, my God, I hope I'm right.

[Mike]

And you were so animated, too, when.

[Bobby Bones]

You'Re, like, out of there and then they come back and they're like, overturn the call. You know, that's. Even if your ego is not big, even if you're not the guy that is loud and large, you're like, oh, now I have to go admit in front of everybody that I was wrong at my job.

[Eddie]

And they get graded after every game.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Like, the MLB grades them and sees who does the best, who's most accurate. So that would suck.

[Mike]

That would suck a little bit. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm all. I want to say it again. I'm pro human. You can't be any more pro human than me.

[Mike]

Thank goodness, dude.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes.

[Mike]

I'm glad you are so.

[Bobby Bones]

But I think the umpires serve a purpose behind home plate just not to have full authority of balls and strikes. They can call balls and strikes, but I think you should be able to challenge. Yeah.

[Eddie]

And we got to have coaches be tossed still. That's fun.

[Bobby Bones]

That's great. Of course, my favorite are the clips when the coach is like, just throw me out.

[Diego Pavia]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm going to kick some dirt. John. Just kick me out of here. I really need to do a scene here.

[Mike]

Tell Sally I say hi.

[Eddie]

I'll see you for dinner later on. Right.

[Bobby Bones]

See you in Cleveland. They'll walk out and their mouth's covered at first a little bit so no one can read their lips. So John Boy can't read their lips or anybody else. All right. You gotta just get me out of here, man. You mother. Yeah. Outta here. So I did think the game was fun because they got to wear their old uniform, their normal uniforms. Yeah.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

They haven't done that in, like, six or seven years, so. It hasn't. But when we were kids, that's all they did. They wore the original uniforms. And it was so cool to see your guys on your team make the All Star team.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So the All Star Game is great. Like, baseball's doing a pretty good job at trying to snail, like, move forward a bit instead of just staying the same, which was making them fall back, pitch clock great.

[Mike]

I, like, eliminate the shift.

[Bobby Bones]

They did. They did Eliminate the shift with the offense. Although, you know what? The shift is kind of a strategic move. Of all the. I'm pro human. I'd like to say I'm pro human. I didn't really hate the shift. I didn't just be a better hitter.

[Mike]

And I don't understand, like, everyone's moved to the right. You're a wide open on the left. Can't you just, like, come on, just hit the ball that way a little bit?

[Bobby Bones]

That's what I'm saying. Like, learn. Learn to hit opposite field. Yeah, you're a pro. You know, you're one of the greatest hitters in America or you wouldn't be in the major leagues. Maybe learn how to hit opposite field.

[Mike]

Wide open over there.

[Bobby Bones]

Swing a fraction of a second late. That's all you got to do.

[Mike]

Maybe it's harder than we think, but I don't know.

[Eddie]

Probably.

[Bobby Bones]

Eddie British Open. You keeping up with it? Yeah, when we do the show, I don't keep up with it at all.

[Mike]

I guess you do the show, it's on, and you know we got a break. I look over.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm talking about the morning show. This morning. It started this morning. Yeah.

[Mike]

I mean, dude, when? Yeah, I mean, by the time, like, we're rolling in the show, I think the first group's already done. Like, it's. I don't know what. How early it is over there, but it's crazy that half of the tournament or the day round is pretty much done when America's starting to roll out of bed.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. It's like football. I know. London, but for a. I guess. I mean, time zones, you know?

[Mike]

Man, I've heard of them.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Mike]

But Sundays is a little different. Right. They do roll it out a little later, like. But it's probably on Sunday, the final round. It'll probably start at 9am for most. Most of us.

[Bobby Bones]

There's also a cut.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Less players, so you don't have to cram everybody on as early.

[Mike]

But I'm not. I haven't watched any of it, but I've. I hear that, like, the weather's really bad.

[Bobby Bones]

Awesome. That's how I want that. I want that to be so difficult. I want it to be like the US Open, where the rough is like 10ft tall. I want it to be cornstalks. And then I want this, the weather to be so bad. It's like when you're playing Tiger woods and you're having to adjust the arrow because the wind's seven miles an hour. I want them adjusting Their arrows live. I want it to be raining. I want the weather to just kick them right in the balls.

[Eddie]

Rory's first two tee shots shanked them.

[Bobby Bones]

He was plus 750. He was a favorite to win it. Where is he now?

[Eddie]

I'm not sure.

[Bobby Bones]

And again, when you hear this, the day one, maybe day, even day two, will be over, but.

[Mike]

Did you bet?

[Bobby Bones]

I didn't.

[Mike]

Do you bet pre round ever? Like for these majors?

[Bobby Bones]

Almost never.

[Mike]

That's the best odds, man. I know. It's like just a throw a dart in the like.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, yeah. Best odds because there's so many.

[Eddie]

But there's two under right now.

[Bobby Bones]

So who's leading as of right now?

[Mike]

Oh, good luck.

[Eddie]

Oh, okay.

[Mike]

Good luck.

[Eddie]

Ht. Lee and Fitzpatrick can't win it on day one.

[Bobby Bones]

Can lose it on day one, though, right? So I usually bet it on Saturday.

[Mike]

Do you kind of look at who's leading on Saturday and then.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes, and I never bet the person leading because usually the odds aren't good. But I'll bet somebody like 5th or 6th, 7th or a known name at like 11 to 12th.

[Mike]

That's it.

[Bobby Bones]

Because I can get pretty good odds and they have consistently played well the last weekend or they wouldn't be famous and successful. So that's usually what I look at.

[Mike]

Yeah, same like I'll wake up on Sunday, Sunday mornings before the last round starts and I'll look at the leaderboard and if like Scheffler's up by like 10, not touching it, you know, like, that's, that's over. But if, you know, like he said, Borjan Shornsen is leading first.

[Bobby Bones]

Felt a little racist toward the Muppet chef right there. The Swedish Chef for There's another guy.

[Mike]

Named Smith, you know, Second, I'm going with a big name at like third or fourth always.

[Bobby Bones]

Let's take a break. We'll come back in just a little bit and talk with Stuart Mandel, who is the editor in chief of the Athletic. We're going to talk college football and nil. And we'll get into the weeds with that. Give us a second, we'll come back here.

[Stuart Mandel]

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[Olivia Carville]

In 2020, a group of young women in a tidy suburb of New York City found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.

[Bobby Bones]

Someone was posting photos. It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts on my body parts that looked exactly like my own.

[Margie Murphy]

I wanted to throw up. I wanted to scream.

[Olivia Carville]

It happened in Levittown, New York. But reporting the series took us through the darkest corners of the Internet and to the front lines of a global battle against deepfake pornography.

[Margie Murphy]

This should be illegal, but what is this?

[Olivia Carville]

This is a story about a technology that's moving faster than the law and about vigilantes trying to stem the tide. I'm Margie Murphy. And I'm Olivia Carville. This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartradio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Margie Murphy]

Welcome to Pretty Private with ebony, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm Ebony and every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. On Pretty Private, we'll explore the untold experiences of women of color who faced it all. Childhood trauma, addiction, abuse, incarceration, grief, mental health struggles and more. And found the strength to make it to the other side. My dad was shot and killed in his house. Yes, he was a drug dealer. Yes, he was a confidential informant. But he wasn't shot on street corner. He wasn't shot in the middle of a drug deal. He was shot in his house, unarmed. Pretty Private isn't just a podcast. It's your personal guide for turning storylines into lifelines. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect Podcast network. Tune in on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your.

[Bobby Bones]

Favorite shows Supposedly drinking Korean pear juice before drinking alcohol results in a 20% improvement in hangover symptoms. I don't drink, so I've never had the history of trying to find the hangover cure. What do you find to be the best for a hangover, Eddie?

[Mike]

So if you want to be proactive, this is what I've learned through all my years of drinking. Have one drink of alcohol, one drink of water, One drink of alcohol, one drink of water, and you will get rid of that hangover. You won't even have the hangover, however, if you don't do that, which I get. Party situations. You're not thinking of getting water the next day. Throbbing, you know, headaches. It's hurting. You feel like death in your bed. Menudo, man. Go to a Mexican restaurant on Sundays and ask for Menudo.

[Bobby Bones]

If a random white person walks in that's never been in the Mexican restaurant by themselves, looking a little torn and tattered, will they know why they're asking for Menudo?

[Mike]

Of course. They won't even ask, like, what you want. I know what you came.

[Eddie]

Long night. Long night.

[Bobby Bones]

Kevin. You're from a different part of the world. Yes, Because I. I feel like.

[Mike]

Where are you from, dude?

[Bobby Bones]

California. These are all based on, like, the culture you grew up in.

[Eddie]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, nobody in Iowa's going to find some Menudo.

[Mike]

Oh, they should.

[Bobby Bones]

Only if you're in, like, South Texas, Arizona, Mexico.

[Eddie]

Yeah, I used to give my buddy a bunch of crap, Eddie. For drinking a water in between every single drink. So how's that? Kind of. Kind of upset to hear you say that, but I think you're just getting older, and I'll be there in a little bit older.

[Bobby Bones]

Smarter.

[Eddie]

I know it is. I agree. It is smarter, for sure. But we never learn, do we? I use Alka Seltzer. I think Alka Seltzer is the best. Like, when it comes to hangovers, number one is sleep. If you can get sleep, that's the number one thing. And then you wake up. Alka Seltzer, which they actually have hangover pills now. I haven't even tried it yet, because they caught on. I think everybody likes it, and it does the trick. So good. The tablets, you drop them in the water.

[Mike]

No, we've heard of it.

[Eddie]

Okay, just wait.

[Bobby Bones]

Let me get business.

[Eddie]

You're both looking at me like, because.

[Mike]

I've never heard of Alka Seltzer as a hangover cure.

[Eddie]

Because I'm from a different part of the world, dude. That's what we do about.

[Mike]

When you say, say when you say, like, sleep, though, like, do you mean, like, if you drink all night Friday, Saturday's done. Like, you're just in bed all day?

[Eddie]

No, like, say you go to sleep at midnight. Like if you can sleep till 7 or 8. Money a.m. yeah, like if you can get 7 or 8 hours of sleep. But if you. If I'm running on, like, four hours of sleep, it's gonna be a rough one.

[Bobby Bones]

Why do you think and I had to look it up because. I don't know. I've never looked at the science because I've never needed the science. Why do you think people get hangovers?

[Eddie]

Dehydration.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, that's. That's. Both you guys went with that hard.

[Mike]

Because alcohol just sucks all that water out of you. Like.

[Bobby Bones]

Yep.

[Mike]

Dries you up.

[Bobby Bones]

So that is a part of it, but not the biggest part.

[Mike]

My mom always said potassium.

[Bobby Bones]

Now, I'm not the expert. I literally looked this up, so I'm not going. I can't believe you guys don't know. I didn't know.

[Mike]

Like, seriously, my mom would be like, here, Miko, here, banana. You need potassium because you have a hangover.

[Bobby Bones]

So here is the answer from ChatGPT. People get hangovers because alcohol messes with your body and brain in a bunch of ways at once. Here's a breakdown of why you feel so awful. Oh, no. Sleep disruption. Even if you pass out, alcohol messes up your sleep quality. You skip REM sleep, and that leads to brain fog, fatigue, and moodiness. So that's part of it. And what you're going to see is it's a collection of things. It's a big stew.

[Mike]

Okay, I'm a noodle.

[Bobby Bones]

No. Well, yes. Use a stew to fight a stew, I guess. Ricky Martin. Next up, toxic byproducts. As your liver breaks down alcohol, it produces a chemical called acetaldehyde, which is even more toxic than the alcohol itself. Your body eventually clears it, but not before it makes you nauseous, sweat, and feel very bad. Next, dehydration. Alcohol is a diuretic, which means it makes you pee more. You lose fluids and electrolytes, which leads to symptoms like dry mouth, headache, and dizziness. Your blood sugar drops. Alcohol messes with your glucose levels. The crash in blood sugar can make you weak, shaky, and hangry. Two more. Stomach irritation. Alcohol increases stomach acid and irritates the lining of your stomach, which adds to nausea, vomiting, stomach pain. That's where the vomiting comes in. And finally, just general inflammation. Alcohol triggers an immune response that can make you feel achy, unfocused, and just generally sick. A hangover is your body's way of saying, you poison me a little bit and now you're going to pay. But it's because of a whole lot of different things happening in your body. Not one single factor.

[Mike]

So no potassium level like mom said.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm sure not having the appropriate amount of potassium isn't able to fight the toxic byproduct.

[Mike]

But it's not in your list over there.

[Bobby Bones]

I didn't make the list. Not my list, but yes. So there's a little education, dude.

[Mike]

What's crazy, when you were reading that list, what stood out was the. Like, the time, the multiple times that you go pee. Like, it's crazy how as soon as you start drinking, you got to pee. Like there's that seal, right? Like, you have 20 gallons of water in you.

[Eddie]

If you know you're going to be in a crowd or somewhere, tough to get out to go to the bathroom. You don't pound beers.

[Mike]

And if you're not drinking and you have to pee, you can hold it. Not a big deal. When you're drinking and you have to pee, you cannot hold it.

[Eddie]

Sometimes you just go, well, they do.

[Bobby Bones]

Say again that Korean pear juice before drinking alcohol. And if you're the guy, like, pull over and you get some Korean pear juice before we go. We get to the party, you're probably gonna get made fun of. I'm gonna put that out there.

[Mike]

Where do you get a Korean parent?

[Bobby Bones]

Korea, obviously. Okay, I've mentioned this a couple times in different places, but we've been watching a show called the Kingdom. Anybody watch it on Netflix? It is a South Korean zombie show. It's good. It starts off a little slow, but we put English subtitles and we make them speak English. But what's crazy is they actually speak with really thick Korean accents. Oh, really? So they're speaking English, but they're. I would do an oppression, but I don't want to get. I don't even feel like that's racist because I'm just literally doing an oppression.

[Mike]

It's not risky.

[Bobby Bones]

And I'm pro human. I'm pro Korean.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

South. Anyway. Yeah. And so. But they do Korean accents. And I thought to myself, well, that's weird. They're doing. Really? And then I thought to myself, well, I've heard some guy with a Southern accent overdubbing a Korean. Yeah, Marge, watch out for that zombie. I might think that would be weird. It's good. Episode one's a little slow, but by the time it's only six episodes for two seasons. By the time you get like three in, it's awesome.

[Mike]

Really.

[Bobby Bones]

If you like zombie shows, I think you'll really like it. If you're into like swords and stuff. Yeah. What was the Tom Cruise movie he did, Mike, where he was like a sword fight? Last Samurai. Yeah.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

If like you like that kind of fighting and stuff, you'll like it.

[Mike]

Was that a good movie? Last Samurai?

[Bobby Bones]

I don't know. I didn't watch it. I don't know the name of it. Pretty good movie. It was. Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't know. But it's good.

[Stuart Mandel]

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[Olivia Carville]

In 2020, a group of young women in a tidy suburb of New York City found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.

[Bobby Bones]

Someone was posting photos. It was just me. Naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts on my body. Parts that looked exactly like my own.

[Margie Murphy]

I wanted to throw up. I wanted to scream.

[Olivia Carville]

It happened in Levittown, New York. But reporting the series took us through the darkest corners of the Internet and to the front lines of a global battle against deepfake pornography.

[Margie Murphy]

This should be illegal.

[Stuart Mandel]

But what is this?

[Olivia Carville]

This is a story about a technology that's moving faster than the law and about vigilantes trying to stem the tide. I'm Margie Murphy. And I'm Olivia Carville. This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Margie Murphy]

Welcome to Pretty Private with ebony, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm ebony, and every Tuesday, I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. On Pretty Private, we'll explore the untold experiences of women of color who faced it all. Childhood trauma, addiction, abuse, incarceration, grief, mental health struggles, and more. And found the strength to make it to the other side. My dad was shot and killed in his house. Yes, he was a drug dealer. Yes, he was a confidential informant, but he wasn't shot on street corner. He wasn't shot in the middle of a drug deal. He was shot in his house, unarmed. Pretty Private isn't just a podcast. It's your personal guide for turning storylines into lifelines. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect podcast network. Tune in on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Bobby Bones]

Kevin wants to admit he was wrong about the Red Sox.

[Mike]

Love it.

[Eddie]

I do. It's taking me a while to get here. I still have not watched one single game since they traded Devers.

[Bobby Bones]

You're not, though.

[Eddie]

No games I have not watched.

[Bobby Bones]

Nor will you. You said no games for you, so I was wrong.

[Eddie]

I was obviously wrong. They've won 10 in a row going into the All Star break, and ever.

[Bobby Bones]

Since Trump was there, they haven't lost.

[Eddie]

I know.

[Bobby Bones]

Could that be the Boston Trump socks?

[Eddie]

Exactly. Exactly. And I've had the biggest fomo, like, watching little highlights walk off home runs, team going crazy, everyone having fun. The crowd's into it. My brother's texting me. I'm like, leave me alone. And I have to say, I. I think I was wrong that they made the right move trading Devers. Obviously, the clubhouse and the entire locker room is a better place. Players are playing better, the team's playing better, and all of a sudden, now they're in the playoffs. If it started today, that's freaking awesome.

[Diego Pavia]

Wow.

[Eddie]

So if I admit I'm wrong, can.

[Bobby Bones]

I go back to watch you?

[Diego Pavia]

You can.

[Bobby Bones]

You can do it.

[Mike]

Yeah, dude. It's your life.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Okay. Thanks, guys.

[Bobby Bones]

You don't owe us anything, man.

[Mike]

Your morals.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, man. I know.

[Eddie]

My. I'm just sitting there, you know? I'm like, dang, I want you to do it.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm pro human. I want you to do it. You are.

[Mike]

You are pro human.

[Eddie]

Perfect.

[Bobby Bones]

Thanks, guys.

[Mike]

Isn't that amazing, though? That like a team real. They know what's right for them instead of the fans that don't know anything about what's going on inside.

[Bobby Bones]

Says a Cowboys. Says a Cowboys fan. Yeah. Complains about everything. Complain, man. Yeah, you do it like. And you know what they should do? You know how they should do it? Why didn't they do this?

[Mike]

Have you seen Dak? He looks ripped and ready to go, dude.

[Bobby Bones]

He should be.

[Mike]

He looks good.

[Bobby Bones]

Healthy. Healthy.

[Mike]

He says he's ready to go. And, I mean, I don't know if he's just working out. He looks good. I don't know. He can throw the ball, but he looks good.

[Bobby Bones]

Are you watching him throw the ball?

[Mike]

No, no. There's just a picture he posted, and I was like, dang, dude. Dude's been hitting the gym.

[Eddie]

What do you mean you don't know how he can throw the ball?

[Mike]

No, I don't know how he's throwing the ball.

[Eddie]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Mike]

Because I'm not seeing those clips.

[Eddie]

I thought you said, like, physically, you don't know how he can throw a.

[Mike]

Ball with all those muscles.

[Eddie]

Is he that jacked too many muscles?

[Bobby Bones]

You know who else looked good working out was Ben Simmons. He'd always posted videos in the lab. In the lab? Yep.

[Mike]

What do you mean?

[Bobby Bones]

Like, this is the year for Ben Simmons. All the other years. Let's forget about him.

[Mike]

Why are you comparing those two?

[Bobby Bones]

Just that the Internet would lead us to believe, based on the images that we saw, that Ben Simmons is really going to turn it around this year.

[Mike]

Got it.

[Bobby Bones]

Didn't quite happen. Got it. Yeah, that's it. We'll come back and talk to Stuart Mandel. We'll talk college football coming up next. All right, now we're going to go over and talk with Stuart Mandel, who is the editor in chief for the athletic. Go to theathletic.com to read his articles. Also does a podcast called the Audible. I really enjoy his writing. And we're going to talk about nil and we're going to. All the stuff that you may think is boring, we're probably going to talk about here, because I do not find it boring at all. And I'm a massive college football fan, so here he is. Follow him on Twitter lmandell. Here he is, Stuart Mandel. Hey, Stuart. Big fan of your work. Really appreciate the time.

[Diego Pavia]

Thanks for having me.

[Bobby Bones]

I do want to start with this because I saw you post the article just this morning, and it was basically about collectives and how nil now is going to be coming to the school. Except it's not really nil. It's what, what's happening right now because I almost can't keep up with it.

[Diego Pavia]

It's very hard to keep up with. But, you know, the House settlement got approved last month. And so that allowed the colleges to go through with this plan. They had twofold. They can now share revenue directly up to $20.5 million. The schools can share with their athletes, but also they've set up this clearinghouse, Nil Go, that has to approve these outside deals. And collectives have obviously dominated the nil space for the last few years. That's where athletes get most, if not all of their nil income. And the commission came out with a statement saying collectives don't serve a valid business purpose. Their deals are not going to get approved. They were already prepared. The collectors were already prepared to have their deals more closely scrutinized for fair market value. But this was kind of a step or two beyond that. They're saying it doesn't matter what the compensation is or even if it's for, you know, valid activities, autographs. They pay the athletes to do autograph signings or go appear at a golf tournament or whatnot. They don't care. They think collectives are just a front for pay for play and they're not going to approve the deals.

[Bobby Bones]

But aren't they? And I say that as someone who was a part of one. And so I've been involved as someone who donated and worked with the collective, and now I do nil money and deals with athletes to actually do things because I know the new rules. Up to like 600 bucks, etc. It has to be reported up to 600 bucks. But really, weren't collectives exactly what you're saying they are?

[Diego Pavia]

Yeah, I think that's one of those things where it's. It's not even a secret at this point. Right. Everybody knows that's the intention. And that's why this commission is coming down and saying, you know, these are not valid business. Basically, they're saying it's not a valid business attempt if you're paying an athlete to promote your product so that the collective can make money to then give to the next wave of athletes. Right. It's not, they don't think that's legitimately for, for goods and services for a for profit company. But that doesn't mean it's gonna, it's gonna fly. The lawyers for the plaintiffs in the house settlement, as soon as that memo went out, wrote back and said, this is not part of the settlement. You don't get to decide who is or isn't a valid business. And if you don't retract that, we're going to take it back to the judge. So we're waiting to see if anything comes of that.

[Bobby Bones]

I guess my final question on this, and I am very interested in it, is that don't you think eventually this just ends with this collective bargaining agreement with the players and the GMs and the athletic directors, almost like we see in pro sports, but not quite.

[Diego Pavia]

Yeah, I mean, I think that's what you hear a lot in regards to this salary cap. Right. Like in the. In the athletic directors and commissioner's eyes, this is a pro sports model now where there's a hard cap and you can't go beyond it. But the people on the other side that would say the differences in the NBA and the NFL, they collectively bargained that cap. The athletes agreed to that cap. This was negotiated through a lawsuit settlement that I'm guessing most of the athletes weren't even aware of. Right. So I do think some form of collective bargaining is coming at some point, whether that comes through the courts, Congress, whatever that may be. But right now, we're kind of in that limbo state, I think, where they're trying to kind of get away with both. There's a salary cap, but there's no union, there's no collective bargaining.

[Bobby Bones]

So let's just pivot over to college football. Specifically. Where does Nick Saban coach now?

[Diego Pavia]

I mean, obviously that was the big hot story this week at SEC media days. I wouldn't necessarily assume that that's going to be the case. I mean, he's going to be 74 by the time this next coaching carousel comes up. And, you know, he's not a fan of nil and transfer portal and whatnot. So does he really want to get back in and deal with that? But certainly if he decides he is. And look, he's his guys, Bill Belichick, who's. Who's basically doing the same move right now, anybody with a coaching opening would be. Would obviously want him. And so when you look at the schools that might have a coaching opening this coming year, the one that really stands out to me is Oklahoma if Brent Venables doesn't have a big year, because that kind of meets all the Nick Saban checklist. It's a powerhouse program that you can win national championships at this huge rabid fan base. And you're in a state where you're really the only Recruiting power, right. Oklahoma State sometimes gets recruits they want, but not very often.

[Bobby Bones]

The rumor was for a while that Nick Saban was going to run whatever body was over the nil or the portal. He was going to be like the King Dingley of college football. Has that kind of passed by now?

[Diego Pavia]

You know, it's interesting. That was never possible, obviously, in the traditional model, but they've set up now. They actually have this thing called the College Sports Commission, which would seem to be ripe for a commissioner, but right now they hired an executive from Major League Baseball to oversee that. And look, Nick Saban's got a pretty cushy gig now, right? You're on game day. You get to still be part of college football. Travel to games without the headaches of having to deal with the actual issues in college sports.

[Bobby Bones]

If we talk about the college football playoffs and we look at last year, Boise State gets a buy. And based on the system, that's exactly how it should have been. Did you like how it was or are you for a. We're going to rank them as they are and let them fall in as they are?

[Diego Pavia]

Yeah, I mean, I think that's where we're headed. I think that that's already been changed. The whole thing about the CFP is that it was devised before the PAC 12 fell apart. So the idea that the four highest ranked conference champs would get the buys, you figured those are going to be pretty highly ranked teams because you'd be doing the four out of the five power conferences. But now that's no longer the case. And so last year it just so happened that Boise ended up finishing ahead of, you know, the ACC champ, Clemson, which kind of got in at the last second. So they've already changed that. This year will be the top four seeds, regardless of conference. And I think you can assume those will probably be teams from the Big Ten and SEC.

[Bobby Bones]

You think the Pac 12 will ever be a thing again? They are adding new teams. We saw Texas State just went in, but do you think that'll be a. Will it go back to Power five?

[Diego Pavia]

That'd be nice. But you know, if you look at the lineup they have coming forward, right. You have Oregon State, Washington State, and then you have a bunch of Mountain west schools. And so they're probably closer to the aac. In fact, they are closer to the AAC than the power conferences. My hope is that one day saner heads will prevail, even if it's not in football. Right. Football doesn't involve that much travel. But I think the shame of this, what happened is these west coast schools are sending their basketball teams, their volleyball teams there, you name it, teams all the way across the country to play matches. And those aren't the things that are making the money. I'm hoping Sander heads will prevail at some point and you can separate west coast football from west coast all the other sports and get Stanford and Cal and USC and UCLA and the Arizona schools and the Oregon Washington playing each other again like they should.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, it's not unprecedented to have a school play football without a conference like in Notre Dame and then play basketball in a conference. I mean, eventually, probably just logistically, that would be where it falls. Are they doing anything to actually make that happen yet, or are we just talking about it?

[Diego Pavia]

It's, it's not anything imminent because these TV contracts that the conferences have are all in place for, for many years at this point. I mean, including the ACCs goes well into the2030s. So it seems like the lineups you have now will be the lineups for the next at least five to six years. But I think there'll be another big shakeup. The Big Ten contract comes up, I think in five years. Around that time, a couple of the others do as well. So if you're looking at a next big change to the structure of conferences, you would, you would look to that.

[Bobby Bones]

You think Notre Dame joins a conference in football at all?

[Diego Pavia]

They really have no reason to. The system is set up well for them. Now we'll see what happens with this expanded playoff that they're already talking about. If the Big Ten has their way, most of those births would become automatic births for the conferences. And then if you're Notre Dame, you have to look hard at that. But as long as you have the current system where there's a lot of at large births and now, by the way, they can host, I mean, sorry, they can get a buy, right? They couldn't get it before when those were conference champs. There's really nothing they would gain necessarily from joining a conference.

[Bobby Bones]

If you were able to make rules regarding the transfer portal, what rules would you implement?

[Diego Pavia]

I actually think the NCAA had a really good rule as of a few years ago, which is everybody gets one exception or they can transfer and play right away. If you want to transfer again after that, you have to sit out a year. Problem is, and this is the case, right, with a lot of NCAA rules now, somebody sued in a court, struck it down. Now we have unlimited transfers, which I don't think are good for anybody. I don't fault a player for wanting to start over at a new opportunity. That's their decision, that's their life. But the idea that every player in the country is a free agent every single season and there's nothing, you know, really to discourage them from doing so is bad for the schools. It's bad, I think, for the athletes who. It's really hard to develop in your career if you're playing for a new coach and a new system every single year.

[Bobby Bones]

You mentioned Brent Venables at Oklahoma. He didn't say the words hot seat, but they're looking for him to succeed. I have family, they're massive Oklahoma fans. So I'm close to that situation a bit. Who else are these high profile coaches that need to win now?

[Diego Pavia]

You know, I think there's several in the sec. Start with Hugh Freeze. Auburn fans are notoriously not patient and he's had a rough couple of years and some people think they'll be a lot better this year. Some people see it and go, you know, the quarterback they got, is he really that much better than the guy they had before? So him, you know, Billy Napier won some people back at the end of last year at Florida. But if they were to start out bad again this year like they did last year, you would, I think you would start to hear that again. And then you've got coaches who theoretically would be on the hot seat, except they have these enormous buyouts. Brian Kelly, Lincoln Riley in particular. Coaches that if they don't perform this well, perform well this year, the fans aren't going to want him back. But is the school willing to pay 50, 60, even 70 something million dollars to buy them out?

[Bobby Bones]

That's something a collective could do, right?

[Diego Pavia]

Just buy out coaches, use the money on them instead.

[Bobby Bones]

Right. That's what I would say. Like if you're so passionate about it, buy all the coaches.

[Diego Pavia]

A and M set the precedent, right? Price of oil was great at the time. They were able to pay 75 million to buy out Jimbo Fisher. I mean, the crazy thing is that they agreed to these contracts in the first place. When UFC hired Lincoln Riley, they gave him a 10 year contract and it's never been fully made public. It's a private school, but believed to be $11 million a year, fully guaranteed. There was absolutely no way to get out of this if he didn't do well. I think they just assumed he would because he'd done so well at Oklahoma. Now they might be stuck with him.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you think? A bit. Because we saw this with Deshaun Watson in Cleveland, where they gave him all that money, guaranteed money. And that really changed where owners now are going, we're not doing that because we just saw one really bad example of it because he gets hurt, he has all the, all the trouble. Like he's seems like a bad dude. So they're not doing that at all. And now there's the drama. Like, were they conspiring behind the scenes to not give anybody guaranteed contracts? Do you feel like these college coaches, what's happened at Texas A and M, what's happening now at USC where they really can't get out of it? Do you think these situations not being positive will affect future contracts with coaches?

[Diego Pavia]

Well, on the one hand, you know, all these schools are facing a challenge. There's an extra 20.5 million dollar budget item now to pay the players. You got to cut back somewhere. So it would make sense, okay, we're gonna, we're gonna stop throwing money at these coaches. And yet as soon as a school, you know, has a coach they really want to get, they go into, they do it anyway. I mean, Run Venables is a good example. They gave him a big extension after his second season when he really hadn't done much yet. And so he went and had a bad third season. I still think if it came to it, they would cut him loose this year. But these schools that give, it's one thing if you're trying to steal a coach away from another school and you have to make it worth his while, but what we see time and again is schools just going ahead and giving him a big race. Mike Norvell, after that great season two years ago, Florida State got a new contract, $10 million a year. They go out and they go 2 and 10 last year. They regret that big contract now. So to your question, I mean, we'll see. We've yet to see that trend change yet. Maybe it does now because of the new variable with the revenue sharing.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you think the expectation is for Bill Belichick?

[Diego Pavia]

Yeah, that's a great question. Is the expectation different now than it was when he was hired? Because when he was hired, certainly a lot of proponents of the hire think, hey, he's going to come in, he's going to flash his super bowl rings, recruits are going to come running, they'll be very good. The way the off season has gone, the Jordan Hudson storyline, I think a people, a lot of people now are thinking, was this really a good idea? I think if they just go to a bowl game the first year and people realize it takes a little time to turn around a program. So the first year, you kind of get some. You get a free pass unless you go three and nine. And then everybody's going to say what a disaster this is.

[Bobby Bones]

You feel a little bit, though, like people will have less patience because you can turn a program around so fast, because you can't actually just write checks.

[Diego Pavia]

Well, I think, you know, when I started covering this sport, it was, you need four years to turn it around. Then it became three, and then it became two. I don't think we're seeing the pressure yet to do it. And, I mean, Deion Sanders is a great example. Right. First year was not great. People are saying, you know, this is a disaster. Then they had a really good season last year. But I do think that's the limit. Nobody wants two bad seasons in a row now because of exactly what you said. You can. You can. You can turn over your whole roster now through the portal. And so you don't need three or four high school classes to come in. You can turn it around really quickly. First years are tough for many reasons. You get a late start on recruiting, and it's just, you know, you're completely changing the culture. Are the players going to buy in? So, you know, I think people still are at least reasonable enough to realize it's going to take more than one year, but not more than two years.

[Bobby Bones]

Final question for you. I was looking through the quarterbacks and Drew Aller, Penn State or Nuss Meyer or DJ Lagway or Kate Klubnick, who looked really good against Texas until they ended up losing that game. Like, he went down to Austin and played really well, is an Austin kid, too. Like, there are a lot of really good quarterbacks. Who, in your mind, is your favorite for the Heisman? Way too early.

[Diego Pavia]

Obviously, everybody's going to say Arch Manning. The problem for Arch Manning is the expectations are so high that I feel like if he just has a good season but not an amazing season, people might turn on him. I do like Kate Clubin's chances, and here's why. I mean, first of all, he's really good. I think it snuck up on people last year toward the end of the season, how much better he got. Clemson is, to me, the class of the acc. Maybe Miami's close. Probably not. If they can beat LSU in that first game. He kind of vaults to the front of the list, and then I think stays there, at least stays in the mix most of the season. Obviously, Texas is preseason number one, but again, because expectations for Arch Manning are so much higher than they are for Kate Clubnik. I mean, let's say they lose to Ohio State the first week and everybody can say, oh, he's overrated. It was just his last name, you know, I think that's what he's that's the biggest hurdle for him in terms of Heisman contention.

[Bobby Bones]

Stuart is the editor in Chief for the Athletic and also check his podcast out with Bruce Feldman called the Audible. Wherever you get your podcasts. Big fan of your work. Was reading your article this morning. Thank you, thank you for taking some time and talking with us. Really hope you have a great day. Thanks Stuart.

[Diego Pavia]

Thanks for having me.

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[Olivia Carville]

In 2020, a group of young women in a tidy suburb of New York City found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.

[Bobby Bones]

Someone was posting photos. It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts on my body. Parts that looked exactly like my own.

[Margie Murphy]

I wanted to throw up. I wanted to scream.

[Olivia Carville]

It happened in Levittown, New York. But reporting this series took us through the darkest corners of the Internet and to the front lines of a global battle against deepfake pornography.

[Margie Murphy]

This should be illegal.

[Bobby Bones]

But what is this?

[Olivia Carville]

This is a story about a technology that's moving faster than the law and about vigilantes trying to stem the tide. I'm Margie Murphy. And I'm Olivia Carville. This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart Podcast, Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Margie Murphy]

Welcome to Pretty Private with ebony, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm ebony, and every Tuesday, I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and and give you new insight on the people around you. On Pretty Private, we'll explore the untold experiences of women of color who faced it all. Childhood trauma, addiction, abuse, incarceration, grief, mental health struggles, and more. And found the strength to make it to the other side. My dad was shot and killed in his house. Yes, he was a drug dealer. Yes, he was a confidential informant. But he wasn't shot on a street corner. He wasn't shot in the middle of a drug deal. He was shot in his house, unarmed. Pretty Private isn't just a podcast. It's your personal guide for turning storylines into lifelines. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect podcast network. Tune in on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite show.

[Bobby Bones]

All right, that's gonna wrap it up for us today. Thank you guys for being here. I will say that I went and I got my tooth fixed, and then I was flossing and it broke off again.

[Mike]

Oh, my goodness. Do you get your money back for that?

[Bobby Bones]

No, I'll just get another tooth put on.

[Eddie]

How hard do you floss?

[Bobby Bones]

That's what my wife said. She's like, what are you doing? Are you going at it in there or what?

[Mike]

Do you use floss or do you use the pics?

[Bobby Bones]

Both. And I floss probably, like, five times a day. So because I do that, I think I've probably worn my teeth down. Not only that, but when I first started making any sort of money where I could save, I bought teeth. That was my first thing where I.

[Mike]

Was like, a hobby. What do you mean you're buying teeth for a hobby?

[Bobby Bones]

Like memorabilia? Hey, what do you mean? No, like, I. What's weird is when you get teeth, they shave all your other teeth down. Whoa. Like, that's how veneers work. They shave all your real teeth down, and my teeth were messed up, and they shave them down, and then they put the veneers over the top of them. And so. But I did that, and I remember this is like, 10 years ago. The dentist was like, hey, in, like, 10 years, you're gonna have to get these replaced. Like, these are not forever. They're worth about 10 years. Isn't that what they said to people that get boob jobs? Like, these aren't forever. Like, you have to get them fixed. And I remember thinking, well, 10 years will never come. Who cares about 10 years? I just neglected to do it. And so I think part of it is my non stop flossing, and part of it is the teeth are getting a little older and some of them I've had to replace because I've cracked them. But, like, this is. As you can see, it's gone. But it's really affected my thugs in my. So all day long I've, like, struggled because you make sounds and everybody knows this, but you don't think about it until it's actually affecting you, where your tongue hits the top of your mouth and your teeth.

[Mike]

But my sounded great today.

[Bobby Bones]

There were times where I was just. I could feel it, and I probably feel it a little more. It's like when you have like a little cut in your mouth or something. Fucking bucket.

[Mike]

That were the who The. The team. Baseball team Shooting Chicago.

[Bobby Bones]

Suffering at that. The Cargo Club?

[Mike]

No, no, the other one. The other one.

[Bobby Bones]

Chicago White Thug. So my dentist went on vacation, though.

[Mike]

Oh, no.

[Bobby Bones]

I know. I text him. He's awesome. And I was like, hey, I'm a tooth. Sorry about that. I probably flossed a little too early. I think he actually said, don't do it for a day or so. You know me, I'm just in letting it rip. So I text him, I was like, hey, it doesn't hurt. But I do toss a little funny. And so we'll get it fixed next week. But so if I've sounded a little weird or a little thingy, by the way, I said thucker and thakatash. Not a bad word, right?

[Mike]

No.

[Bobby Bones]

There are people that will highlight sounds, the single sounds from me doing years and years of shows and podcasts, and they'll take and be like, you said the F word here. You said you don't cuss. First of all, I don't have a problem with cursing, so even if I did, I'm okay with it. But I didn't, because I don't.

[Mike]

You really don't?

[Bobby Bones]

I don't. I don't. Even in the private privacy of our own homes, like Eddie and I are doing it. I don't. Even in the privacy of our own home.

[Mike]

We're in a room together. Yes, Dark room.

[Eddie]

But I don't close it together.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't not curse for you. I not curse for me. So if I do decide to curse, who cares? I'm only not doing it for me. I think cursing is hilarious, right? If used the right way. I just had to stop Cursing seven years or so ago, because I didn't want to write cursing. I wanted to write cursive. But not cursing.

[Mike]

Big difference.

[Bobby Bones]

So speaking of writing, I wrote a bunch of jokes. I'm doing the Opry tomorrow night. It's just risky to go and do a bunch of jokes when you've never done them before all at once and with a crowd that isn't there to see you. Because when people go to the Opry, they go to the Opry to see whomever shows up. It's not that they're there to see somebody else specifically. Some of them are, Some of them aren't. Some are just there to see the brand. And so I walk out on stage and I'm. You know, I have all these new jokes.

[Mike]

Oh, no. You taking some Gilles's jokes.

[Bobby Bones]

What if I just go up and do all of his act? Yeah. So I have all these jokes. Like, I wrote a whole part of a set on being lactose intolerant. Okay.

[Mike]

As relatable.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Because let me read you. Let me read you a couple of these things. I don't care. I don't care. I'm not touring, so I don't care if I even run a joke. But one of the jokes is if I re. If I say it exactly, as it's not gonna play. So I talk about, like, being allergic to dairy and being from the south is like being a cowboy. Wait, hold on. I talk about I'm allergic to dairy, and then I say, I need, like, my notes because I haven't even practiced these. And I'm gonna go up there and do it tomorrow. How I'm lactose intolerant and being allergic to cheese and being from the south is like being a cowboy allergic to his horse. Like. Yeah, it's that kind of vibe.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

And it was like, I used to take great pride in not being allergic to anything. Now I eat a slice of pizza, my body shuts down like it's filing for bankruptcy. So I do. I wrote all these jokes, right? I used to say no allergies, like it was a personality trait. Now I'm the one asking if there's hidden cheese, like it's a lactose ghost haunting my enchiladas.

[Eddie]

I like it.

[Bobby Bones]

So it's a lot of that type stuff, but I just can't do a bunch of it. I can only pick one. My best hope, and then pray it works, because if it doesn't, I got to pivot out of all of it because I don't feel as confident in the rest of them. And I can't go. You can't miss two or three in a row.

[Eddie]

Do you go in with a backup plan if you have to pivot? Or you're like, my backup plan.

[Bobby Bones]

My backup plan is to go to jokes. I know work.

[Eddie]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

And so if it doesn't work, because inevitably when you do new jokes, some of them don't, Some of them won't work. But it's not because the jokes are bad always. Sometimes it is. Mostly it's because you didn't, like, pause the right time. There's some word play, maybe you stumbled or the crowd. It really is that. But I did one where I was talking about fantasy football is why I bring this up, because my wife will have her friends over and they will plan a night where they talk with intention, like a purpose. Like, they just are going to connect. Like, she'll have a friend come over and they'll sit in the living room for, like, two hours and talk about, you know, how you're really doing. But if we do that, that's weird. And so we have ways to do it. And I've talked about this on the show. Like, I can't call up Eddie, be like, hey, man, Thursday, 7pm Want to come over and fill some stuff? And then. Good.

[Eddie]

That's a good one.

[Mike]

That's a key for.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, good, thanks. And I'm like, so instead, we have to, like, sneak in emotions, like, through a side door. And we'll be like, talking about fantasy football. I'd be like, hey, man, I'll trade you Travis Kelce for Saquon Barkley. And also, my dad never told me he was proud of me. So, I mean, it's kind of true, but it's so. Yes, right?

[Mike]

It's so true.

[Bobby Bones]

And, like, I've talked about that for a long time and even in that way, but I've never written a joke about it. But what's tricky about that is I'll be. And I would love to try it at the opera, because I'm not touring. But if they don't laugh at that, I think it's just because it's not a fantasy football group. Yeah, right. Because that's a sports thing. If I'm like, I'll trade you Travis Kelce and Saquon Barkley. Also, did your dad ever hug you? You know, I think if they don't get the Kelsey and Saquon of it. Yeah. They're not gonna even appreciate the joke. And not even that it's the greatest joke ever. Written. And the reason I'm talking about this is the Shane Gillis stuff. Like, that's, like, super inspiring to see him go up and people be mad at him.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And keep going. But also, I'm playing the Opry this week, and so, yeah, I wrote any. I can't do a whole new set up there. Because I won't. Because I'll go up and it'll just be a nightmare. I'll be forgetting stuff jokes will miss. But I'm probably gonna throw in a couple new ones like that. You think I should do the fantasy football one or they won't get it.

[Mike]

I like the fantasy football one.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

I think there'll be plenty of guys in there that'll understand that. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I have a joke that I probably won't do because I don't think it will be received well, where I talk about how lactose intolerance. Like, I deserve a handicap sticker.

[Mike]

Oh, dude, I love that.

[Bobby Bones]

And then I go, you know what? Because I talk about it being covered by the ada, but even I think that's too inside. That's the Americans with Disability Act. I said, okay, but if I don't get a handicap sticker, maybe I should just get preferred parking at pizza places.

[Eddie]

There you go.

[Bobby Bones]

You see what I'm saying?

[Mike]

And, you know the crowd there.

[Bobby Bones]

But all of that, all of this stuff, because I have this. These are all the jokes I've written, right.

[Diego Pavia]

Oh, wow.

[Bobby Bones]

All of that. I would have to go out for, like, three months and do all them 17 times in order to feel what is exactly right.

[Mike]

Yeah. What's your time slot like?

[Bobby Bones]

Do they tell you everybody has 12 minutes? Oh, like, everybody has 12 minutes. A long time. But I do have my guitar as well. And what I've done in the past is I just take it up there. And I've played the opera before and never even played it. Like, I walked up with it. That's awesome. And I just. Am I. Everything was working so right. And I never went to the guitar because the jokes were just crushing.

[Eddie]

That's legit.

[Bobby Bones]

And I think people are like, why did he have his guitar on? He never went to it.

[Mike]

Never sang a song.

[Bobby Bones]

It is.

[Eddie]

You, like, strut like, you should, like, strum, act like you're gonna play, and then go right back to it.

[Bobby Bones]

The problem is, I'm trying to remember jokes, man. Like, I'm doing all that I did at the very end. Be like, oh, yeah, I had this car, I guess I never played. I go and then walk. Good night, everybody. But that wasn't the joke. I had the guitar in case. You should do that with the other instruments. Just like, just walk out with a tuba. I'm just holding a trombone the whole time and I never even get to it.

[Mike]

That's pretty funny.

[Eddie]

Pretty good.

[Bobby Bones]

I wanted. I'll wrap on this, but I wanted to do this segment. I say wanted. I never actually tried to do it because of the dedication it would take. And I think I mentioned it in a couple of interviews with artists where I wanted to go up and be a part of the band and not have my instrument plugged in. But, like, let's say they gave me a trombone. Like, I went up with a trombone and I got in Zac Brown's band. I never said I was in it. Heck, I could wear a mustache, whatever. And we just recorded from the crowd. Me just faking the trombone like crazy. Not so much as stealing the show. Not so much, but just. Just being in the band, faking it and, like, feeling it. Right? Just feeling it. Even for a song, like, I think that would be so funny.

[Mike]

But you got to find the right artist to let you do that.

[Bobby Bones]

I have a few friends that would let me do it. Oh, yeah. But I don't want to pay the money to go. I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't wanna pay the money to fly. And that. That three minute bit's gonna cost like $800 to do.

[Mike]

That's funny though, man.

[Bobby Bones]

So there was enough. Oh, now I'm just doing this. There was another bit too. I told Eddie, I said, hey, what we should do, we should go and open for an artist and not say it's us. Not with guitars and, like, sing a cappella. Nobody knows it's us. We try so hard to sing the biggest song. Like, we go and we try Adele songs. We're trying as hard as we can. Never mind. Like, we are literally trying, like, trying our best. Yes.

[Mike]

But it'll never be good.

[Bobby Bones]

And it's all Whitney Houston, Adele.

[Eddie]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

Even with the backing track, we can play like a karaoke track and we only have like 12 minutes. But we go out and just try as hard as we can. We don't shy away from it. We attack it. And then we're like, thank you. And just see what. We have cameras on the crowd the whole time.

[Eddie]

See, this is where your obsession with making people uncomfortable, seeing how long it can last.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, yeah. As a comedian, I didn't put that together, but yes, perfect.

[Eddie]

But that's a great way because nobody's ever well, I'm not. Nobody has ever done that. But something like that, I would be shallow.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes. And I say again, we're not trying to be bad. We're actually trying as good as we can, but we're also really trying because you can hide from it and you can be like, oh, that's a C plus. But if we're like, shalala.

[Mike]

Yeah, dude, we gotta do that.

[Bobby Bones]

Dude, it would be so fun. I just don't want to pay 800 to get out to some city.

[Mike]

12 minute bid.

[Eddie]

Hilarious.

[Bobby Bones]

I found a tuba on Facebook. Marketplace. I'll go get it tomorrow. All right, thank you, guys. Now we can hit the music again. We will see you guys Monday. Monday. Special guest. You want to tell them?

[Eddie]

Heisman hopeful.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, that's good. You heis you slow down on Heisman. Come on. You can say who it is.

[Eddie]

Diego Pavia, the Vanderbilt quarterback.

[Bobby Bones]

He will be in Monday. We just finished the interview and they brought me a helmet. Yeah, a real. A real helmet.

[Mike]

And he signed it.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, yeah, it was awesome. So that'll be Monday coming up. You guys have a great weekend and we'll see you guys. Bye, everybody. Hello, daddy. Theme song written by Bobby Bones. That's me. And performed by Brandon Ray. Follow Brandon on socials randonray music. You can follow the show on Instagram. Obby Bonesport. Thanks to our crew, co host producereddy, segment producer ickoffkevin and executive producer ikedistro. But most importantly, thank you for listening. I'm Bobby Bones. We'll talk to you next time here on 25 whistles. We finally switched to T mobile because they know that those of us here and there want to stay well connected. Let's watch a movie charity. Thanks to T Mobile, we get Netflix included so we can all enjoy our favorite shows and movies. Now the hard part is getting them to agree on a movie. Switch today and get a Samsung Galaxy S25 plus with Galaxy AI on us plus your plan.

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[Olivia Carville]

Back with a new season and this time I'm telling you the story of Kelly Harnett. Kelly spent over a decade in prison for a murder she says she didn't commit. As she fought for her freedom, she taught herself the law.

[Bobby Bones]

He goes, oh, God. Harnett jailhouse lawyer and became a beacon.

[Olivia Carville]

Of hope for the women locked up alongside her.

[Bobby Bones]

You're supposed to have your faith in God, but I had nothing but faith in her. I think I was put here to.

[Olivia Carville]

Save souls by getting people out of prison. The Girlfriends Jailhouse Lawyer listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Bobby Bones]

I knew I wanted to obey and submit, but I didn't fully grasp for the rest of my life what that.

[Stuart Mandel]

Meant for my heart. Podcasts and Rococo Punch this is the Turning River Road in the woods of Minnesota, a cult leader married himself to 10 girls and forced them into a secret life of abuse. But in 2014, the youngest escaped. Listen to the Turning river road on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Margie Murphy]

This is an iHeart podcast.