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The Bobby Bones Show
#539 - Emma Slater on Backlash over DWTS Partner Andy Richter + Behind the Scenes of the Competition + Randy Jackson on His Love for Luke Combs + The Most Unassuming Aspect of Contestants on 'Name that Tune' + Bobby Answers Most Asked Listener Questions
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Bobby Bones
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Bobby Bones
Learn more@motts.com welcome to episode 539 with Emma Slater from Dancing with the Stars. One of the professionals, Randy Jackson from American Idol named that tune and then basically I do frequently asked questions so FAQs here at the end of this podcast. But I do want to start with Emma. She is the greatest. I just messaged her and was like hey will you come on? By the way, Dancing with the Stars premiered on Tuesday of this week and it airs Every Tuesday at 8pm Eastern and Pacific on ABC and then on Disney. You can watch it as well and so you'll hear from her accent. She's originally from England. She has a twin sister. We'll talk about that. Her sister's not a dancer. I don't know how long she danced. If she did at all. But to me, different. Whenever twins aren't doing the same type of thing. I think her sister's a designer. But Emma was the friendliest to me when I was doing my season. She was there with John Schneider. He was the guy from Dukes of Hazzard, and they didn't last as long as we did. I mean, I won, but. So I guess except for three other people, nobody did. But she was so supportive because she knew I was struggling the entire time. And of all the people still left on the show as far as professionals, she's who I root for. She is my favorite. She's won the show before, and I think I really got to know her a lot, too. Whenever we were touring, because we worked out together, meaning we would dance up in the facility, and they have all these rooms that are close together. And it's not even that you're in the same room training, but you're in rooms that connect. And so when you go into the lobby to, like, eat or drink water or anything, that's kind of where you hang out. And so between that and then, you know, just touring, when you tour, you're just on a bus. And I did a couple shows and was out for, like, a week with them, so pretty cool. She has done so, so much more than dance on Dancing with the Stars, which is kind of how you get to be a professional. You really have to be accomplished. And she talks about that in this, and I think hopefully it gives people that maybe are just casual fans of Dancing with the Stars a better idea of who she is again. She's such a great person. And so we're going to start with Emma Slater, and then we'll come back with Randy Jackson.
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Randy Jackson
I.
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Bobby Bones
Okay, here we go. Hello, Emma.
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Emma Slater
Hello, Bobby. How are you?
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Bobby Bones
It is so good to see you. Although it's weird because I know we haven't spoken in a while, but since you follow people on social media, you feel like you kind of know what's going on with their life. So I don't feel. I know. I don't feel like it's been, like, this long gap because I still am keeping up with you, but I hope you're doing awesome.
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Emma Slater
I'm doing great. But you know what? I also think that depends on the people, too. You are always so personable, and we always got on so well that, you know, when you just, like, you know, oh, it's Bobby. You know, you click back into, like, talking and friendship. It's, like, really easy.
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Bobby Bones
Well, I wish I could see in person, but I'm so happy that you came on with me. Mostly. I kind of want to get an idea of two things. One, I was reading all the comments about how people were upset that you were teamed with Andy. I love Andy Richter. I'm a massive fan. You saw the comments. What are your thoughts on. On how people are reacting to you being teamed with Andy?
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Emma Slater
Well, I. I saw the comments and I thought. My first thought was, I really hope that Andy isn't disheartened by reading this, because for me, like, I think Andy is the best partner for me. I truly do. I have got to that point in my life. And also, I've done the show now for 19 seasons. I know where my, let's just say, like, my expertise are, and I know what I love to do, and I really love to see the improvement and the growth in my partners. And that's what I'm probably best out. I'm probably best at bringing out people that are not dancers, that are potentially even nervous to do the show and to give them the best possible experience. And trust me, all the pros give their partners any such an incredible experience and the best one that they could possibly do, but Andy, to me, is the best partner. I love being partnered with the funny guys. I love being partnered with the personalities. I love being partnered with the people that have this special quality about them. And so I'm thrilled, and I always was thrilled that I had Andy as a partner.
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Bobby Bones
Do you think that that's why they probably do that, is because they know that you will do so well with getting them at least, like, introduced to the regimen, and they may not feel comfortable and because you are the most personable person of that whole crew, at least according to me. Do you feel like that's why they do that?
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Emma Slater
I think that they know that I, the producers, they know that I will lean into kind of the quirky. I'm a quirky person by nature anyway. I'll lean into the fun. I'll lean into the into. And everybody does, by the way. I just want to stress that everybody really does embrace the whole experience. I'm also potentially one of the more patient pros. And it just happens that that's something that I really love to do, and I get really excited about, like, sharing an experience with a celebrity who is probably not a dance and is more of a personality type. And so I think that's probably why they do it.
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Bobby Bones
There's such an important part of the relationship between the pro and the celebrity, because if you do not have A dynamic that works, it can be miserable. Would you agree with that?
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Emma Slater
Yeah. Four hours in a room with someone if you're not connecting is really hard and it can be draining. I haven't really had that experience. I mean, obviously there's people that. You literally light up the room and it goes really fast. So I feel very lucky. But it. You need to get on with your partner. You also just need to find out, find a way to connect. And I think it's your. Your job as a pro to make your celebrity feel safe and find a way to connect with them and just talk to them and get to know them. Like, when Andy and I get into the rehearsal room in the morning, we stretch, we get on those roll of foam things on. My light just went out. Sorry. Won't look as cute now. But we get on the, like, fola roam things and we stretch and. And we talk. And I love to know about his family. And what I really like about Andy is he asks me questions all the time, like, how are you? How did you get started? How is everything in your personal life? I want to see pictures of your house. He really likes to connect in that way. And then by the time we get up and dance, I feel like I'm dancing with my friend and my actual teammate in all of this and not just someone who's there for the common goal of being on a show.
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Bobby Bones
You've done 19 seasons. That is. That's so many partners.
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Emma Slater
Yes. Off the top of my head, I don't know if that's accurate. I think it is. It's about 19 seasons. Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
Who was your first ever partner?
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Emma Slater
It was Bill Engville, who is a comedian again. Comedian. Similar type of age to Andy. So I was like, oh, my. And he was my favorite. So I was like, oh, my God. This is like Bill Engvall season. I'm so excited for it. And it feels. I just love that type of person. It feels nostalgic to me. Bill Engville is a comedian that used to work with, like, Jeff Foxworthy.
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Bobby Bones
Like, he was with that.
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Emma Slater
Yeah, Jeff Foxworthy, blue collar comedian group. That was their name, I believe, unless memory doesn't serve me well. And he was just like, the loveliest guy would turn up in a Volkswagen, like, you know, van. And it was, like, quirky, a little bit surfer. It was really nice.
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Bobby Bones
You were in the troupe before you became a pro?
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Emma Slater
Yeah, I did three seasons of Troop, which I found to be really beneficial because it can be really mad. You know, the choreography part of the show is really stressful and some people don't realize we have to handle the choreography. You have to understand where the cameras are in the room, and you have to direct your choreography so that it can be clearly shot and it reads well and it has the most impact, and there's definitely certain ways that you do that. So being on troupe really allowed me to watch the other professional dancers choreograph and work with their celebrity. It gave me a really good understanding of how the show works from week to week, who the producers are, what the room looks like, everything. I thought it was so valuable.
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Bobby Bones
How does it work where you find out the dance you're doing and then do you just have to start choreographing it yourself as soon as you hear the type of dance you're doing?
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Emma Slater
Yes. The music plays a really big part of it for me, for everybody. Again, I think. I think some people are different in the sense of they might have specific style that they want to go for. For me, I need to hear the music, and then I can visualize certain things in my head, and then I'll stand up. Sometimes it's embarrassing because I'll be at, like, a cafe and I'll get the email with the audio track on, and I'll just, like, listen to it because I want to make sure that it's okay and it's what I'm imagining. And then I'll get up and I'll try a few steps, and then I'll remember, oh, I'm in Starbucks. Sit back down. But that's always been my but. Yeah. So it's really down to the music for me.
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Bobby Bones
So when you get to the room, day one, a lot of times, are you still figuring out what you're going to do while you're teaching that celebrity what you're doing? Is that ever part of the process?
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Emma Slater
Yeah, day, like, day one of the show? Is that what you mean?
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, day one of, like, the week when you learn you're going to do whatever dance. If it's a jive and you have your song, when you go in that day one of practice, do you have it fully mapped out, or do you have it mostly mapped out? And you're figuring it out while you're.
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Emma Slater
In there, Bobby, like, the goal is to have it, like, fully mapped out, but, you know, it's like stress city. So the show will be for us now, it used to be on Monday, now it's on Tuesday. So we come in on Wednesday. And the pros have probably, if you've been safe the night before you already have your music, you know you're going to do jive. Let's say you've already got it choreographed, because you need to have it choreographed before you go into it, because you can't really just try things on them. Like, you need to have, like, a plan so you can try things and change it, but you need a plan. So you go in on the Wednesday, and it's all choreographed. But the, you know, production are trying to do a ton of interviews. You're also trying to get social. They've also had, like, a really long day the day before. All you're thinking about is, like, chucking this choreography into their brain so that when they go to sleep, they have something solid to wake up to and then come in and build on the next day. You just have to, like, chuck things at them. And it's going to be kind of, like, disjointed. And a lot of changes are going to happen for the first, like, three, maybe four days. And then by the weekend, you get into, like, really solidly running it and you have your dance.
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Bobby Bones
Who was the most advanced partner you had from the beginning where you thought, wow, they know what they're doing and we can actually change as the week goes.
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Emma Slater
That would be James Van Der Beek. So I won with Rashad Jennings, and he was excellent. No dance experience, but just had something very special. But James Van Der Beek came into the show, and he had done gymnastics before, and he was an absolute dance enthusiast. Had performed on stage, but not actually taught, like, learned dancing. But he was just a natural. He had an ability and he had a presence and he knew how to stand. So he loved it. He threw himself in it. And I thought, wow. Like, he was very trainable. He. He was flexible. He loved contemporary, and. And so he was probably the most versatile dancer that I've ever had without even still having formal training.
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Bobby Bones
That reminded me, because I was thinking I was just talking to somebody about you. It was James. He lives in Texas now, and I was in Austin, and we were together, and he was like, hey, you know, Emma. I was like, I love Emma. Emma's like, the one that I like that's on the show still that I care about the most. And he was like, oh, my God. And we talked about you for, like, 15. That's exactly who it was. It was James. I had no idea that he knew how to dance or that he had any background in dance at all.
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Emma Slater
He had, like. It was interesting because he had a background in gymnastics. So he. And he Was just natural. Like, he was the type of person that would, you know, again, be playing with his kids in the garden. And I've been to see him in Austin, too, and beautiful place that they live in, like, great ranch, and the kids are, like, outside all the time. He'd be playing with them, and he'd be kind of, like, moving around and dancing with them. And just. He had no inhibitions when it came to movement. So it just made for an incredible mover, especially when it came to contemporary, you know, he just knew what to do.
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Bobby Bones
So who was it that started from the lowest and maybe they didn't win, but you had the most growth, and maybe not even growth as a dancer, but that you were so proud of when it was over that it almost made you emotional.
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Emma Slater
Reginald Valjohnson last season, I mean, for me, he was and is somebody so special. And he came onto the show was so endearing. And again, we connected straight away. And the second that I saw him move, I thought to myself, this is going to be potentially the most challenging season for movement that I've ever had. But he was so lovable and so special that the growth that he had in the show, because to me, the show is a journey. It is a dance show. But people don't realize it's so much more than that. The end of the day, it's an entertainment show at its core. So I believe that Reginald Val Johnson came onto the show and really made so many people fall in love with him, with his charm and his personability. Is that a word? Person?
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Bobby Bones
It works. Yeah, You're English. It works. Yeah. You have an accent.
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Emma Slater
You can say that, right? I believe that he came on and just was so lovely and wonderful and game that even if he did and we did count, it was 16 steps in the first dance. I was proud of those 16 steps. I was so proud of him no matter what he did. And we weren't nervous because I knew whatever he was going to do, it was. He was going to own it. And he might forget some steps, but, you know, he was going to be there and he was going to give it his all, and people would love him for it. And people celebrated that kind of quality in a person. So I was super proud of him.
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Bobby Bones
People will wonder what you're saying to your partner while you're dancing. What are you saying to your partner while you're dancing on television?
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Emma Slater
Well, everything I'm saying, the whole choreography. So we just. Andy and I just did our wide shot. And you remember that, Bobby, that's that part in the week where you get that wide angle video of your entire dance to music so that the directors can map out all the cameras. So we just did our video where we did the dance to music. And you can hear the music, but you can hear me screaming on top of the music for the most part. And it'll be things like. And I won't scream it at you because that would not be pleasant for your viewers, but it would be things like. I say twinkle toes at one point because it gives him the visual of like, fast feet. I say tall hand on head. I'll say quick. I'll say, have fun. Because there's a moment where I asked him, I said, what does this step? How do you become more free in this step? And he says, oh, it makes me think of having fun. So every time we get to that step, I say, have fun. And he does it like he really comes alive. So I need to keep giving him and usually all my partners a lot of structure during the show, during the dance by vocal cues. And it helps them. If I ever really stop that, it becomes a bit of a problem. I've tried a couple of times, but it's much better for them when they have kind of all angles, like, support. At least, at least, like, you know, a lot of my partners.
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Bobby Bones
Did you start ballet at a young age?
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Emma Slater
I did, but I can't really own that because I quit. I was five or six and I have a twin sister, so we started together and we started ballet. But I just had so much energy. I just wanted to run everywhere. I didn't like how strict it was. You know, ballet can be really strict and regimented and it was all about positions. And I just, I wasn't ready for that kind of strict. Just, you know, not being able to move my body. It was just the wrong form of dancing for me personally. So I decided, I told my mom that I didn't like it, I didn't want to go back. And I don't remember how long I went, but it was not long enough to get like a foundation. But then I started ballroom dance dancing when I was 10, and it was everything. I watched this girl drop into the splits during a performance and I was like, oh my gosh, this is the best dancing ever. So then I signed up and that was history.
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Bobby Bones
Did you become obsessed as a teenager where that's all you did?
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Emma Slater
Yes. I was that kid in school that had like, you know, the. The life that sounds awful, but, you know, the. The an entire separate life outside of school. So I had my school friends and I actually really enjoyed school. But then I would just go and just would just be. I'd slick my hair back and I'd be this really dedicated dance at the weekend, like dancer at the weekend. And I would have to travel. My parents were amazing. They would drive me three hours in England. There's a place called Hull and that's where my partner would live. And it was three hours away. So they would drive me sometimes on a school night and then back again. It was so much dedication from them that I, I owe them so much. But I was definitely that person. Yes.
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Bobby Bones
When did you realize you could actually do this as a career?
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Emma Slater
When I was 16, I had like a predicament because I had some choices. I could stay on school and I wanted to do psychology or that's probably what I would have chosen. I also wanted to go to a performing arts school in London and I got in, but it was so expensive really. And I didn't want to put my parents through having to pay for that. And. And then just as life does and life has, you know, has you held. I got offered a touring show that was kind of like indefinitely. It was a rolling on show that paid every week and it was really decent pay for me at the time as a 16 year old, it meant that I could dance every day. I toured England and then we started to go internationally a little bit. And they also wanted to take my partner with, with me, my professional dance partner. So we got to practice every day. We didn't have to travel anymore. So I left school and that's what I did. And it meant that my parents didn't have to pay for my lessons anymore because I could practice with my partner and I could pay for them myself. And that's really. That was my first ever job and it was dancing. And so from there an agent approached me and I just said yes. I just kind of said yes to opportunities as they came up. And I realized I had not really chosen it, it had chosen me, which sounds cliche, but I just kept going and kept dancing and more opportunities kept coming up and before I know it, I was a dancer.
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Bobby Bones
Was it odd for your parents, for their daughter just to travel and tour as a dancer at 16, 17 years old?
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Emma Slater
It was really sad for my mom. She found it difficult to let go of me. And I remember specifically her dropping me off in London one day when I basically, basically started my first day of this big job. And we say goodbye and she was crying and I remember it and she still talks about it. She still says, oh, I left my baby so early. And it was ultimately, it was the right thing to do it really, to start so early into something I was so passionate about. I was very fortunate. But it did mean that my parents and my twin, you know, we were a family of four. And then all of a sudden I was off and I was traveling and I was with a dance family. So it was a big shock.
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Bobby Bones
What do you say to people who have birthdays on holidays? Like my wife's birthday, it's like, right after New Year's. And so I've really tried to do a great job of separating the holiday from the birthday because it can get lumped in with the holiday. Now, this has been a big part of your life because your Christmas birthday, right?
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Emma Slater
Yes. I'm so happy that you asked me that question. And by the way, say hi to your wife for me. Give her a big hug. When I was younger, me and my twin sister thought that having a birthday on Christmas Day was really cool. And then we realized, well, hang on, we're getting. We're getting kind of gypped because everybody celebrates Christmas, which is great. You have the day off, but it's not really your day. And now I'm old, I'm getting older. I'm like, I really don't necessarily care that much for birthday birthdays, for my birthday. So it's good again. But, yeah, we used to have the thing where people would buy one big present for both of us for Christmas and for birthday, and then we just share it. I don't think at the time it was that big of an issue, but I don't mind it now. I don't mind it. And I actually had somebody the other day tell me, oh, Christmas birthdays is really interesting because they said to me that the whole world has this very positive energy on Christmas morning. I was born on Christmas morning. Has this really high energy because it's Christmas Day and the kids are waking up and they're so excited. And it's just everybody's kind of at peace. And then when you're born on that day, you kind of, like, take that energy with you. And I was like, oh, I would love to think that, but it comes with its challenges. But you always have the day off.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, that's a good point. You always have the day off. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. It's tough, though, because I really. And my wife's the same. She's not a big birthday person. But as you get an adult Right. It's not as much about the cake. It's mostly about the people that you love. But I still try to do a great job at separating them because I do want her to feel, like, special with it being her day. And I know in school she was not at school when it was her birthday, and everybody was just like, well, your birthday's at. Right after New Year's, so we'll just celebrate it all together. But I wondered how you dealt with that as a kid.
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Emma Slater
Yeah, that's hard. I'm so glad that you. To, like, separate it because it's nice to do that. I don't really know what it feels like to have a birthday. It's really just Christmas for me.
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Bobby Bones
Oh, no, that's so sad.
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Emma Slater
But I love it. Oh, it's. What? It's. It's fine. I have my twin and we like it. We. It's funny because we, like, add our ages up together, so we always say, oh, we're 78, you know, so a.
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Bobby Bones
Couple more dancing questions now as far as the show, and I was talking to a producer friend of mine who works at a different network, and he was like, hey, when you did that show, did you know? And I was like, I knew nothing the whole time. Like, they keep everything from me because there are actual laws. Because you're competing for money. Like, you don't really know anything as it's happening, right?
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Emma Slater
No, we don't know anything as it's happening. For sure. I mean, I feel like you're talking about the producers.
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Bobby Bones
I'm talking about you knowing where you finished, how many votes you got. If you're. If you're in the bottom before they tell you if you know nothing, right?
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Emma Slater
Oh, no, no, nothing. And so when you're standing there, you know when that music comes on at the end of the night and it's like elimination and they put the red music on. It's so dramatic. You really are finding out at that point, you know, if you're in the bottom two or if you're going home, you know nothing beforehand. There's, like, no leaks. Nobody tells you anything. And then I've never. They're so good. The dance themselves, producers. I've never had any known. Any information about where people's votes were or where you stack up. It's kind of like just blind, you know, you're just dancing and you're hoping that it works out, but people don't. You know, the voting is so important. So important. And it literally makes or breaks people. And I've heard scenarios where, you know, it might have been so close, but for some reason, this person had like a massive jump in the votes and it ended up saving them. So we hear situations like that, but we never hear any information about where you are placed in the competition. We just don't know. And even the leaderboard, you can't really base it off of that because no one knows what the votes are.
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Bobby Bones
Whenever you won with Rashad, do you remember them announcing your name as the winners?
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Emma Slater
Yes. It's so funny that you say this, Bobby, because Go back and watch it. Okay, I want to tell you a story. When, when they announced us as winners, I was standing with Rashad on Tom Bergerard's Bergeron's left hand side. And right before they announced it, my, like, I mean, maybe four seconds before he says our name, my body starts doing this weird, like, celebration. And my mouth, and you can see it for a split second, my mouth kind of goes. And then I stop. And then I'm like, why? Why did I do that? Why? Like, I just did something really weird. It involuntarily. There was this surge of energy that did this. And then I. And then I went back down because I realized just there's nothing's happened. Like you're. You didn't hear anything. And then. And then they said our name and then I went back and watched. And it literally is just a little. It's a little mouth thing. But the energy at that point that I felt something, my body. Something happened where I maybe heard them in the booth into the earpiece or something. But my body started celebrating and my mind had no idea what. What was happening. It was like the weirdest thing. And then of course, the pictures they take. And I don't know if this is your experience too, the pictures they take of you when you win. I looked atrocious. Like my mouth was. Oh, I was screaming. I looked like I was like scared. It's a really bad photo. But Rashad deserved it so much. And he looked like, you know, he just put his arm in the air and it was such an amazing moment for him. So. And deserved it, like, a lot. But, you know, did you have the same experience where they took a picture of you after you won and you were like, oh, my gosh, I look crazy.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, all of it felt crazy. I just, I have shocked eyes in every picture because I was genuinely shocked. So my eyes are a little too wide open in every single picture because I'm like, wait, what is this? Some sort of prank show? Because Even I felt that. So, yeah, that it was all. It was all bizarre. Like I remember, yeah, like hearing when they said my name, all I heard was but. And I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, that was it for me.
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Emma Slater
It's an amazing feeling, you know, when you've gone through so much work and then you're there at the end and you're just hoping that they say, you know, the start of your name and then you can just like celebrate and have Thanksgiving and then rest finally. It's such an amazing experience.
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Bobby Bones
Well, I wish you the best of luck and the best of health and I'm rooting for you, whoever you get. Oh, by the way, let me ask this question, last question. And it's like so much kindness combined with you and Alan now dating. What the heck, you guys, that's awesome.
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Emma Slater
Oh, thank you so much. Yeah, it's great. And it's gonna be a really fun season. We're gonna be able to like, support each other through both of our partners. But. But yeah, thank you so much.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, Alan's like the kindest guy too. So rooting for you in life more so than the show, but rooting for you on the show and I hope you have a great season. Emma, thank you so much for coming on the show and hopefully I will see you soon.
- [29:38]
Emma Slater
Yes, hopefully see you soon. Thanks, Bobby.
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Bobby Bones
Let's take a quick pause for a.
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Bobby Bones
And we're back on the Bobby cast. All right, so this is an interesting one. So I love Randy Jackson. I can tell my Randy Jackson story of him just being the nicest guy. I would almost picture, like, Forrest Gump. Whenever Forrest is getting on the bus and everybody's like, can't sit here. Can't sit here. Seats taken. I was going up to be one of the judges for the Miss America competition. I didn't know anybody, and I flew in by myself. I got there. I got picked up. They're like, okay, you're gonna go get on this bus, and you're gonna go and learn how to be a judge. And I'm like, great. So I go and I'm walking on the bus, and there are all these other judges, and a lot of them are celebrities. And it's not that they weren't nice, but they also didn't know who I was. It's not like I'm as famous as even they were. But the one person who was like, you can sit here, my Jenny, was Randy Jackson. And he was so nice. He's been super nice every single time I've been around him. And so we were going to have him on to talk about celebrity Name that tune, which I did watch this past week. You did? Oddly, huh? I don't watch anything. And I was on YouTube TV, and I don't even go to the live part of YouTube TV for the most part, unless it's sports, because it has my first, like, four things up. It's always sports. And I was flipping through and it was on, and so I watched some of it. Would you be good at it? I'd kill. One of them was Cheryl Crowe. All I want to do. And they were like, can we do this in four notes? And they missed it. And the next person got it. I was like, I got it in two. Because they give you a clue as well. So I think on the clue, I would get it. That's the game. I think that I would be the greatest. I think I'd be better at that than Jeopardy. Because Jeopardy. I'd only be pretty good with our crew. I'm good. I think normal crew. I'm good because I, like. I don't say trained, but that's what I did. My whole high school was trained for trivia, so I was just studying any kind of question. But, man, I'd be so good to name that tune. I think so. Yeah. The show is on. It's really good. Check it out. But what. What happened was as we were going on with Randy, I saw him drinking lemon water. Did you see it? Yeah, I think lemon water and a. A thing. A t. He was double fisted maybe. And I thought, I know that that means either your throat hurts or you. You're losing your voice. And so he comes on and you're going to hear he had no voice. And about 45 seconds into it, in my mind, I'm like, we got to get out. I don't want to torture him with continuing to talk to him about stuff when he can't even talk. But he was going to stay on the whole time. This is a very short interview, but you're going to hear him try. And then me just go like, all right, there it is. Name that tune. Check it out. But I do love Randy Jackson and I'm sure we'll get him on again at some point. But extremely accomplished career. More so than just American idol, Although he was the longest serving judge on the show. 12 seasons because the other two had left and he stayed on for a while. But here he is. And you guys can follow him at Randy Jackson on Instagram. Here he is, Randy Jackson. Randy, good to see you, man.
- [34:17]
Randy Jackson
What's going on, brother? How you be, man?
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Bobby Bones
I'm good. Hey, where are you right now? Looks like you're in a fancy bathroom.
- [34:23]
Randy Jackson
I'm in my crib in l. A, man. It's got this great calligraphy behind me.
- [34:27]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, it looks cool. So let's talk a little bit about the task at hand first, which is I love name that tune. I love when you guys did it. Non celebrity. I love with celebrities. Do you find working with celebrities that have like a background in an art, like, they know music a little better than you would think?
- [34:44]
Randy Jackson
Well, you would think they do, but some of them don't. It's really weird. It's a weird thing. It's hard to predict. I find that people that are most unassuming, those are the ones that know everything.
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Bobby Bones
Most unassuming. Like you. They accidentally know or they studied music.
- [34:59]
Randy Jackson
Well, they accidentally know that they live. You know, you can tell who loves music. You know what I mean? Do you love it? I know a lot of people listen, but do you love it? If you love it, you'll dig deeper. You read the credits, you'll understand the lyrics, you really remember the titles with you as.
- [35:16]
Bobby Bones
As detailed as you've been in music at all the different levels. Do you still love new music?
- [35:22]
Randy Jackson
Still do, man. In fact, my jam I'm pumping right now is called Back in the Saddle by Luke Combs.
- [35:28]
Bobby Bones
That's a good one.
- [35:29]
Randy Jackson
Great record. Great, great song. Amazing.
- [35:33]
Bobby Bones
What is it about Luke Combs that you find to be interesting or that song even?
- [35:36]
Randy Jackson
To me, he's the epitome of all a new country. He's just pure, raw. What you see is what you get. Crazy voice. It's just the track, the music to production, everything I love about it.
- [35:51]
Bobby Bones
With Name that tune, like, how detailed is it for you behind the scenes with. Because I know you're the band leader, but you're also like the guy. You're the face of the show as well. So, like, how much influence do you have on what's going to happen on the show?
- [36:02]
Randy Jackson
Not a lot of influence on what's going to happen because the songs are randomly chosen, but the music and the arrangements, we dig deep. We dig really deep.
- [36:12]
Bobby Bones
Are you able to look at sheet music and can you picture music in your head by just seeing it instead of sitting there and playing it? Can you. Can you look at music and know what exactly what's going to sound like?
- [36:21]
Randy Jackson
Yeah. There's a course you take in college when you a music major or sight singing, meaning that you got to hear it and write it down. Not from a note, just from hearing it and writing it down.
- [36:34]
Bobby Bones
Was that something that was easy for you or is your music history like.
- [36:38]
Randy Jackson
Something took a while. Honestly, it took a while, bro. Really did. It took a while.
- [36:43]
Bobby Bones
What was the first instrument you picked up?
- [36:45]
Randy Jackson
I played drums first, then guitar, then based in saxophone, then back to bass.
- [36:52]
Bobby Bones
When you said you wanted to play drums as a kid, were your parents or whomever like, I don't know, that's awfully loud. Or were they super supportive?
- [36:59]
Randy Jackson
Well, they were really supportive because my brother was older than me, was a drummer.
- [37:03]
Bobby Bones
Usually with family dynamics, another person will play another instrument. It's interesting that you also played the drums even though your brother was playing.
- [37:10]
Randy Jackson
Drums, but only in the beginning. Then I switched completely to guitar. Then I went to bass, then to saxophone. So it was a tradition, you know, trajectory. I guess I was inspired by him because he used to rehearse my parents garage, his little band. So I was like, whoa, this is cool. Drums, the beat.
- [37:29]
Bobby Bones
I feel it with Name that Tune. Do you guys go and shoot in another country?
- [37:33]
Randy Jackson
We shoot In Dublin, Ireland.
- [37:35]
Bobby Bones
Yo.
- [37:36]
Randy Jackson
Yes.
- [37:36]
Bobby Bones
What's that?
- [37:37]
Randy Jackson
Like a blast too, you know, like the Irish crowd loves the show. They love us. Loves. Come over. They have a good time. It's. It's great. The energy from them is amazing. Like yelling at AC DC songs.
- [37:53]
Bobby Bones
And how long do you go over there and stay?
- [37:55]
Randy Jackson
Three, four weeks.
- [37:56]
Bobby Bones
Do you, like, know the town now? Do you know Dublin? Like, do you have your own places?
- [38:00]
Randy Jackson
Yeah, yeah, definitely, Definitely know the restaurants and we know it pretty well now. Starting over there since season two. Season two was our first one there.
- [38:09]
Bobby Bones
In there ever since September 15th is the premiere. It's on every Monday on Fox. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I hope you have a hot and heavy. Yeah, I hope you have a ton of success. I love the show. Like I love again, I've loved all iterations of it. I think the celebrity element adds a new flair to it. And Randy, thank you for the time and I hope you guys killing the ratings and you're able to do this for many more seasons.
- [38:33]
Randy Jackson
One more thing. I need you to come on and play against Ryan Seacrest.
- [38:37]
Bobby Bones
Come on. If you can get Ryan to do it, I will fly over and. And do it as well. That would be awesome. Me and Ryan, I feel like I'm pretty strong musically, but he also has been around and done music for so long. I'm in if he's in. You tell Ryan if. If he's in, I'm in.
- [38:52]
Randy Jackson
The duel to the finish. Let's go.
- [38:55]
Bobby Bones
We'll. We'll gamble our paychecks. Mine versus his. Wow.
- [38:59]
Randy Jackson
Okay.
- [39:01]
Bobby Bones
I got a lot more to win. That's why I would do that. I got a lot more to win if I win his. All right, Randy, thank you for the time. Good luck with the show and hopefully I'll run into you soon.
- [39:11]
Randy Jackson
Thanks, brother. Good to see you.
- [39:12]
Bobby Bones
All right, see you, Randy. The Bobbycast. We'll be right back.
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Bobby Bones
This is the Bobbycast and finally I got on Instagram and said, hey, what are the questions that you guys want to send in? And like the five or six that I get the most, I'll do an FAQ here that was a little more elaborate than what I do just online when you just write on a single tile. So here are some FAQs and that's what's up. So I got on Instagram and I said, hey, send a question, which is pretty normal. And I said the seven or eight that I get the most, I will answer here. And maybe with a little more depth because on Instagram I really only have that one page that I can write. So these are the questions that were asked the most. This one's from Chelse Lanay and it was asked a bunch of times, how can I come work for you and your team? Now? I get this message a lot because I often say that I'm always open to hire somebody, but I'm never looking for anybody. And kind of a weird juxtaposition between those two things. I don't need anybody right now for my team, but if someone is like, hey, I have all these skills. I'm great at lighting, I'm great at editing, I'm great at and I would like to come and work on your team. Is there any chance that you would look at me? I absolutely will. I get a lot of resumes from people going, I've never actually done anything in your area, but would you consider me because I'm really driven? Sadly, that answer is no, because there's a lot of really driven people. And my advice would be to find and learn and invest in a skill. Like if you wanted to come and work for me, it's not even just about radio. It'd be very little about radio. As a matter of fact, like, I don't pay the radio show. That's the company, which is why I don't pay the radio show bonuses, because we all get paid by the company. But like my personal team that I pay and now that team has gotten a little larger. It's people like me, Brandon Ray Reed, kickoff. Kevin in a capacity, you know, he does some hybrid work, both sides. You know, I have a full staff that works with me on projects outside of the radio show. And I'm always open to hire anybody. If you come and you say, I got this crazy good skill, I want to join the team, what do you think? I may not hire you full time at first, but I'm always looking for somebody, but I'm never looking for anybody that just is a go getter. Because I don't need a go getter. I got like 32 go getters already. So that's the answer to that. And that is the question that I get the most. But my advice would be there is to go and develop a skill and then present that skill to whomever. It doesn't have to be me. I'm just using it because I get this question so much. Next question from fire. Nice 2012. Realistically, how much longer do you think you'll do the show? I think it's a great question. My easy answer is forever. In some capacity now, God willing, that I have the health to do it. I think I will do a version of whatever I'm doing forever because I enjoy doing it. I also think that's where my success comes from, is that I enjoy doing it. And I've never chased money. And I was talking with an artist friend of mine and we were talking about money. We were kind of having an existential crisis just on living in a creative space. And it's so much more unpredictable now than it's ever been. There is no chance to hit critical mass anymore, which I would say, like five years ago I was starting to hit that edge where I was hitting critical mass, meaning I was starting to flirt with actual fame. Never got famous. Like, I never got to be that successful where everybody knew who I was. But I had a run of like three or four years where I was doing American Idol or Dancing with the Stars and that was turning into my own TV shows on Nat Geo or Peacock. The radio show was still the biggest thing by far. And that was feeding the success of the. And I was in a lot of places And I got very close to reaching that critical mass to where they could actually do research on me. With Gen Pop, it's almost impossible to get to that point now because everything is so fractured. There are so many services. You don't have to have a TV show to be famous. In fact, what I've done over the past, I would say two years is heavily invested into my own project and projects because this business is very fickle. They might like you today, they may not like you tomorrow, so they may fire you tomorrow. Especially on television. I remember once talking to Ryan Seacrest, who's probably the most successful television person, well, alive right now, but maybe in history, at times different. Like, Dick Clark was on for, like, 50 years. There were like, three channels. But Ryan's approaching that now, and he was asking me kind of the same question, like, how long do you want to do this? And I said, I think forever. I believe we were both in Hawaii doing American Idol together. And he was a man, always do radio, he said, because that's not fickle. He said, these television shows, new boss comes in, you're out. These shows get picked up year to year. Like, rarely are there two and three year deals on these TV shows. Like, they're season to season. He was like, stay and focus so much on radio, which means audio, which means podcasting, which to me, that's all radio is, is like audio that comes from your phone. So when I say radio, that's what I mean. So I want to do this forever, however, and I talked about this in one of the last podcasts that I did, not the last one with John Fogarty, but the one before. I don't think I can go at this pace forever. Also. I do too many shows. I just do right now. I do too many shows between. And I don't have to walk all the way through them. But the Bobby Bones show, the couple of sports shows, the this show, the interview show, I could keep going. There's no way that people want to listen to me that much. There's no chance. I don't want to listen to me that much. My wife doesn't want to listen to me that much. So I can't keep going at this pace because, one, I don't have the energy sometimes. And it's not just getting on a microphone and talking, but it's constantly having to think of new things for new shows and multiple new shows a day. And, yeah, it's not working at the mill like my stepdad did. I get that. But it doesn't stop I've got to always come up with ideas and then execute them and sometimes not good. And I don't really have time to focus on how to get better at something because I got something else coming up. I can't go at this pace forever, but while the sun's out, you know, I get a suntan. That's what we're doing right now. That's not really that saying, but forever, I hope. But also I could be fired tomorrow and I would keep doing this. Like the great thing about now in the media is there aren't as many gatekeepers and I wouldn't make as much money, at least not at first. But I would just flip up a camera, go on a live hit record on a little screen and then you can put out a podcast and you have your audience. You'd have to rebuild some of your audience. But I think I'll do this in a capacity in perpetuity, hopefully forever. But that's the answer there. I still really enjoy. My favorite thing is doing the radio show. I don't like the hours of it. At times I feel like there are too many voices, too many microphones. Like that happens sometimes. But it's still my favorite thing to do. But thank you for the question from Christianwolf89. When you do the show from home, why is only Amy and Eddie there? And I got a few of these and I think this is a great question and I don't think about this stuff because I know the answers, but I'm glad you asked this. So at my home studio there are only so many seats. We basically have four places for a microphone. We don't even really have four for a camera. We kind of have two places for a camera and sometimes we make that third camera work. But of the four places, there is the production like stand where Mike D stands. When we're shooting from my house, there really are only two seats for host and co host, which is Amy and myself. And then there's another spot with a microphone. We have to turn the camera on. It's kind of sideways and. But that's where Eddie runs the cameras. So it's very much a broken down studio with only about half of us when we work from my house because there just aren't enough seats. Also there's not a parking in my house to have eight people. But we really don't have enough microphones or places for someone to sit while doing the show because we have to have Amy here, we have to have Mike D here and we have to have Cameras run and that's what Eddie's doing. And obviously I have to be here. And why we record from my house sometimes. It could be many things. It could be I have a doctor's appointment at 11 and I understand that I can work till 10:48 from my house and get to the doctor's appointment on time rather than if I have to go from work, get out of the parking garage and it takes me 25. Sometimes it's just issues with, with timing. Another example would be Dave Ramsey is going to do a Bobby cast with me. I don't know if it's next week or the week after, but when we do that, because of his radio show, he only was able to get to a studio at 10:30. Now if I were to do the show downtown, which is the big studio, I would not be able to do the full show and then drive 20 minutes home, get set up, have Dave Ramsey. But what I can do is do the radio show till 10:15. It's over. Dave Ramsey slides right in. We do an hour. So a lot of that's timing stuff. And that's why a Morgan or a lunchbox Ray can't work here because he has to run the board. But that's why it's us. And also sometimes with Eddie, we roll into podcasts right after and it's just easier if Eddie hops into Amy's chair if we're doing one of the sports shows. But I appreciate that question. Let's take a quick pause for a.
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Bobby Bones
And we're back on the bobbycast. Here's one from Kristen Corcoran. How do artists make money from concerts? There are a couple ways, and I'll use me as an example here. Way number one is I would say, hey, I'm going to tour. And so promoters would come to me and go, okay, we're going to pay you $0.75 if you'll come do this show. And so they're going to pay me 75 cents and they're going to rent the whole arena or they're going to rent the theater and they'll pay a dollar. So they have a $75 in right now and they're gonna try to make $2. So I'm getting my guarantee of 75 cents. They're paying their dollar to rent the place and then they're gonna try to make at least $2 on all in. So they're just trying to make more than they're spending. But that's really what it is. It's a guarantee from a promoter. At least that's how I got money from my shows. Now, you could sign an overall deal if you're a big artist, like with a live nation or something, and they go, we'll give you $10 million and you do 14 shows for us. You still gotta get yourself to and from. You know, there's still all the costs, but you can take an overall deal for like an entire tour as well. But that's really the two ways that I'm familiar with that artists that are mid or big, you get a guarantee. And so that's the money you're getting from the promoter. And then the promoter's trying to make money from ticket sales. Now there is a point too in my ticket sales where if I had like over 85%, I would then get a percentage of anything over 85%. So I hope I explained that good. But that's kind of how you get paid. Now there are also, when you're starting out, you can just get the door. It's like, I will play here and I'll take the door and you get the alcohol. There are a lot of little scenarios like that. Or a bar can just pay you like 200 bucks and then you make tips or you just make tips. They're all those ways. I feel like that's pretty good. Here's one from Leah Rose. When did you realize you kept calling Dusty by the name Bradley on the last podcast? Yeah, I'll explain this because I did it one other time too. Bradley was my dog before Dusty. We had been talking about Bradley on the show because that was the dog that my stepdad said they had to give away to his buddy at the farm. Turns out that wasn't true and I just had Bradley on my mind whenever I was talking about Dusty. But I appreciate all the messages. I got 10 million of them. What kind of music do you listen to the most? I think we all have our familiar music from when we were like 15 to 22, that if we're not listening to new music, we just kind of go to it. And for me it's mostly John Mayer Counting Crows. Like I have a whole list of early Casey Musgraves type stuff, but that's kind of it. You know, there's moods that I get into that's like classic rock moods. And so I've got a playlist for that and I could kind of just show you some of these playlists that I have, but I've got like a 90s pop rock playlist that I listen to a lot and one that I've even put together myself. I've got a 70s and 80s acoustic list that I've put together. For me, like when I'm working, it's Tom Petty, Free Falling, Fleetwood Mac, Landslide, Eagles, like four songs, Phil Collins, in the Air Tonight. I'm not a big Bruce Springsteen fan, but I do have I'm on Fire Jam. So kind of that if I'm just sitting on my computer working, it's kind of that. It's like a 60s, 70s, a little bit of 80s acoustic. But if it's artist based, it's John Mayer, Counting Crows or Casey Musgraves. How do you arrive at show content each day? I keep a note app in my phone and I know you guys that are listening, you won't be able to see this. But so on my phone I have all of these and so I have one tab that says Lots to say and I keep notes now we just finished recording Lots to say. So I've exhausted a lot of the notes. But Lots to Say is my NFL show I do with former NFL quarterback Matt Castle and I have notes shoulder Sanders not wanting to be a Raven. What's it like? First week as a backup, now starter because it happened with the Bengals. And also that happened with Matt Castle because he's the guy that went in after Tom Brady got hurt. I have the Kansas City Chiefs schedule, so this is for one show. And I constantly keep notes inside each of these areas. So another one would be the Bobby cast, which is what I'm doing now. I have so many notes on this. I have one note about a radio station, and I'm not sure what city it was in, because stations will do liners sometimes and they'll, like. Sometimes there's like, Bob fms, Like, Bob fm, we love to eat Wheaties. And they just say weird stuff and that's all fun. But there was one country station that was like, at least our morning guy doesn't wear a cardigan every day. And I was like, obviously, that's at me. I just didn't understand it. Like, what's wrong with a cardigan? And secondly, this is my longest bit ever. Every day for a year at work, I've wore a cardigan. I don't think I've ever worn a cardigan in my life until I just decided one day I was going to wear a cardigan. Every day for a year. It's my longest bit. It's not even that funny. I just love doing it now. Also, it's so much easier because I don't have to worry about what I'm going to wear. I have, like, 20 cardigans, some of them nice, some of them not so nice. And because we record sometimes I wear the same cardigan, like, three days in a row. So you don't know which day I recorded. But I didn't really understand the station making the joke about our guy doesn't wear cardigans. Like, in no way am I insulted by that. So you just made me feel like you're talking about me, which makes me feel good because that means I'm on your mind. Like, if you were to make fun of my looks or something, at least I would respect that and go, oh, okay, they're taking a shot at me. They're making fun of me. Yeah, that's a weird one, though. Also, in the Bobby Cast notes, I've got song lyrics that I thought were interesting. I've got a list of the best lead singers. I have all these little stories because I like historical facts and I like to write on how they affect me based on decisions I've made in my life. And I'll Give you one here. This is. Oh, you're gonna think this is so boring, maybe the story of Ulysses S. Grant and the power of no reaction. And what's funny is this is kind of what I was talking about just a minute ago, and I didn't pull it up for this reason, but when Ulysses S. Grant was a president, he was not the most polished guy. He was not a great speaker. He didn't love politics, and a lot of people criticized him for that, and sometimes to his face. One story goes that a man insulted him in public in front of a lot of people, and he did it to provoke him, wanting to get a response, to show that he was weak. I think most people. Most politicians would have snapped back. They would have argued, they would have defended themselves for sure. But Grant, he didn't do that. He sat back. He always smoked a cigar. So he continued to smoke his cigar, and the guy just kept ranting. And so when the guy finally stopped, because you can only talk for so long, Grant looked at him and said, you know what? I agree with you. And then Grant walked away. It drove the guy bananas. And when I read the story, I was like, dang, that's awesome. But one, it's so hard to do. Two, Grant had every right to clap back. He had power. He was smarter than this dude. He could have had somebody else do the clapping for him, but he didn't. He was freaking president, the power that you have as president. So he had the power, the platform, he had the authority, but he chose silence. Not to get defensive, not to fight. And the thing is, people noticed. They noticed he wasn't reactionary. They remembered that he was calm, even though someone was trying to trigger him. And so just me talking about that cardigan thing, because I didn't really plan to talk about it in this order, that makes me think about that. And we also live in a world where everybody wants a last word or the last word, or they want the mic drop or they want the. The viral comeback. But I think a lot of times the strongest move is no move at all, because you're giving someone the satisfaction of knowing they get to you. And I think the takeaway with this story for me is that you don't have to fight every battle. Sometimes the most powerful response to negativity really is no response at all. I'm not a cigar smoker, but metaphorically speaking, just keep smoking your cigar, keep moving forward, and don't worry about other people making fun of your cardigans. That's what I think I Had a friend call me yesterday in the artist world and he's like, hey, this other artist is provoking me. And you know me, I love theatrical conflict. We did a whole episode on what's Happening right now with Zach Bryan and Gavin Adcock. And that's funny to me because it ain't real. It's real to them right this second, but it's not real life real. And I've predicted that in like three years they're going to do a song together, maybe before that. And he said, I got a text from this person who's also an artist, and they're talking garbage, like, what do I do? I said, well, do you want to do something? They were like, not really. Are you offended? Not really. Will it bother you if you don't say something? They said, not really. I said, then say nothing, because it's going to drive them the craziest if you do nothing to them provoking you. And so he did. And he's so much going to win this little battle of. It's not even really a battle, it's a one sided battle. But I've been in a lot of these little, little skirmishes, so I do feel like I have good advice when it comes to that. But sometimes the best thing to do is nothing at all. I'll give you one more. And this is the answer to your question. How do I do my content? I keep it all in tabs and I'm constantly filling. And if I got an idea, I go, what tab do I put it in? This is called, let's call it 7 near deaths in a Lottery Ticket. So there was this guy from Croatia named Frayne. Some people say he's the unluckiest man ever. Some people say he's the luckiest man ever. And it all depends at your perspective towards Frayne. So the story goes, he survived a lot of disasters. Now listen to this. His train derailed into a river. That's not his fault. He's not driving the train, but he's on a train. It goes into the river. He lives. Some other people don't, but he lived. A plane he was on ran off the tarmac and it was basically a plane crash. Now, it wasn't one that was in the air that crashed, but people got hurt. He was in a plane crash, a plane incident. He lived. He was in a bus crash. A bus fell off the side of a cliff. He lived. He was in a car accident. He got hit by a truck. He was in another accident where he skidded off a Mountain road, but somehow landed in a tree and walked away. All in all, this guy Frayne had seven near death experiences in total. So extremely unlucky guy. Had some injuries for sure, but didn't die. And then after all that, he won the lottery. He won millions of dollars in the lottery. So this Frayne dude has been in all these accidents, has almost died all these times, Very unlucky, wins the lottery. Now you hear that story and it makes you wonder, was he cursed? Was he blessed? I mean, both sides are true. Yeah, he was cursed. All these things happened to him. Most were out of his control. All the crashes, all the near deaths. But he did hit the lottery. And that is unbelievable luck. And I think that's a lot like life. I mean, most of us don't go through seven near death experiences. I think I've had three. And I think that's more than the normal person. But we do all deal with things that feel like setbacks, stacked on setbacks. And it's just like, I don't know if I'm ever going to be able to dig out of this where it does feel a bit like the world's against you. But old Frayne, what his story kind of shows is that the hard stuff might be what puts you in the position for something amazing down the road. Like had he not had all those incidents that maybe it wouldn't have put him in a place to where he even went to the store that day, to where he maybe needed something for the store because his neck hurt. So he went to the store and bought a lottery ticket while he was at the store. So the lesson is this, if you see yourself as lucky or unlucky, that's true. Because it's usually about the perspective that you choose. I mean, some people only see the crashes and they go, oh, my God, I can't believe that dude almost died seven times. Some people only see that he won the lottery and they're like, oh, my God, what a lucky guy for to live through all those and then win the lottery. And both are absolutely true. And the real luck, because I'm not a big luck guy, is just making it through long enough to see what's waiting on the other side. And even Frayne, probably still waiting. But if you see that as very lucky, yep, you're right. If you see that as very unlucky, yep, you're right there too. So to answer your question, and I'm just pulling from this, I've also got like a music list. So I keep all of everything into My phone organized on the Notes app. It's not even like a crazy cool app or anything. Let me see. There's one other question here. Your easiest friendship to maintain. This is interesting because I was just talking on the radio show about what I call sleeper cell friendships, and I don't think it's the same thing. I think all friendships take different levels of maintenance. If it's somebody you talk with a lot, if it's somebody that you know is like your hardcore friend, but you don't get to see them because of proximity. But a sleeper cell in, like, terrorist organizations are groups of people for a cause that aren't working for the cause unless they're called to do so. So, like, there was a television show called the Americans, and they were Russian spies, and they came over. They were just living a normal American life, but if they were reached out to, they had to, like, basically wake up and work for Russia. And that can mean a lot of really bad things. That can mean just spying, that can mean killing. But you're just doing your own thing until they wake you up to be the terrorist organization again. Now, it doesn't have to be that in this instance, but I have sleeper cell friendships where I have friends that I know that I haven't talked to in a year, in maybe even two years at this point. But I know if I called right now, I'd be like, hey, I need you. It's like the sleeper cell waking up, and they're like, yep, I'm here. Whatever you need. I will walk through a wall. Because I think I'm that to friends, too. I think there are friends of mine that I haven't talked to in a couple or few years. They live in different part of the country, but that doesn't mean we're less friends. We may not get to spend as much time together. We may not communicate as much, but there's always that thread of whatever you need whenever you need it. All you gotta do is wake the sleeper cell up, and I am there. So all friendships deserve maintenance. I really do enjoy the sleeper cell friends, though. I got a couple of those. That's it. That's it for this episode. Thank you, guys. Thanks to Randy Jackson. I know he was sick. That sucked. I felt bad for him, so we cut him early. Thanks to Emma Slater. Hope she does awesome on Dancing with the Stars. Thanks to you guys. If you're watching on YouTube and you don't mind subscribing, that would be awesome. Thanks for listening to the podcast and we will see you guys next week. All right, bye everybody. Thanks for listening to a Bobbycast production. For years, everyone thought Verizon had the best network because they did. But now the best mobile network in the US is T Mobile. T Mobile's network has the most advanced 5G with more towers and their signal reaches further than ever. So you can text and insta talk and say, you won't believe where I am. 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