AMY: The Power of Pretend Vacations, Snail Serum & Slightly Unhinged Parenting Hacks

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Bobby Bones Show Episode: AMY: The Power of Pretend Vacations, Snail Serum & Slightly Unhinged Parenting Hacks
Release Date: May 25, 2025
Host: Premiere Networks

---

Introduction

In this engaging episode of The Bobby Bones Show, hosts Amy and Jessica delve into a mix of playful anecdotes, listener interactions, and unconventional parenting strategies. Skipping the advertisements and introductory segments, the conversation flows naturally, offering listeners a blend of humor, personal stories, and insightful discussions.

Segment 1: The Curious Case of Ping Pong Tangerines

The episode kicks off with Amy referencing a previous discussion about tangerines that are unusually large—comparable to ping pong balls. Jessica humorously revisits this topic, presenting a tangible example for better visualization.

Jessica (02:26): "I have presented to you a tangerine the size of a ping pong ball."

Amy playfully critiques the presentation, highlighting the absence of an actual ping pong ball for comparison.

Amy (03:12): "This is bigger than a ping pong ball."

This lighthearted exchange sets the tone for the episode, emphasizing the hosts' chemistry and ability to turn everyday topics into entertaining conversations.

Segment 2: Feeling of the Day – Playful

Transitioning into their daily segment, Amy introduces the "Feeling of the Day," sharing her recent sense of playfulness. Jessica complements this mood with personal anecdotes, including interactions with her cat and inventive family traditions.

Pretend Vacations

Amy recounts a delightful experience where she and her husband embarked on a "pretend vacation" within their own city. This imaginative approach transformed a regular Friday night into an adventure, complete with matching T-shirts and themed activities.

Amy (13:09): "Let's pretend like we're on vacation and we're visiting Nashville."

Jessica enthusiastically supports the idea, suggesting that such creativity can enhance the fun in everyday life.

Snail Serum Promotion

Amidst their playful narratives, the hosts introduce a promotional segment for a snail serum product. Jessica shares her journey of discovering the serum and encourages listeners to try it using a special discount code.

Jessica (25:42): "Happy25 is a 25% off code... it's the highest percentage that I've ever had for a biopill code."

They demonstrate the application process live, adding an interactive element that engages listeners visually and audibly.

Segment 3: Listener Emails – The Karen Reed Case

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing listener feedback on the ongoing Karen Reed case. Jessica reads an email from a Boston listener who questions the documentary's portrayal of Reed's innocence, citing additional evidence not covered in mainstream reports.

Listener (30:26): "Most of this area overwhelmingly thinks she is innocent. There's so much evidence that didn't get into these documentaries."

Amy and Jessica engage in a thoughtful debate, analyzing inconsistencies in the case and expressing concerns over potential corruption within law enforcement.

Jessica (32:02): "This seems so corrupt... a big cover-up like this."

Their discussion underscores the complexity of the case, highlighting the importance of critical thinking and thorough investigation in the pursuit of justice.

Segment 4: Unhinged Parenting Hacks

Shifting gears, the hosts explore a collection of unconventional parenting hacks sourced from Upworthy. These strategies, while humorous, offer creative solutions for everyday parenting challenges.

Examples Include:

• Language Manipulation for Bedtime: Parents switch the TV language to confuse tired children into going to bed.

  Amy (48:18): "Whenever it's bedtime and they are still stuck on Netflix, I change the language to Greek or Polish and tell them they don't understand because they're too tired and it's bedtime."

• Cinderella Sundays: Families clean the house all morning in princess dresses, culminating in a dance party.

  Jessica (48:49): "Cinderella Sundays... like they were scrubbing the bathroom... followed by a dance party, like, quote, unquote ball."

• Alligator Spray for Nightmares: To help a child overcome fear of alligators, a homemade spray is used nightly to ward them off.

  Amy (52:00): "My mom made me alligator spray... we would spray his room with alligator spray, and no alligators showed up."

These hacks blend creativity with practicality, encouraging parents to think outside the box while addressing their children's needs.

Conclusion

The episode weaves together personal stories, listener interactions, and inventive ideas, making for a rich and engaging listening experience. Amy and Jessica's dynamic conversation not only entertains but also offers valuable insights and practical tips for their audience.

Notable Quotes

• Jessica (02:26): "I have presented to you a tangerine the size of a ping pong ball."
• Amy (13:09): "Let's pretend like we're on vacation and we're visiting Nashville."
• Jessica (25:42): "Happy25 is a 25% off code... it's the highest percentage that I've ever had for a biopill code."
• Jessica (32:02): "This seems so corrupt... a big cover-up like this."
• Amy (48:18): "Whenever it's bedtime and they are still stuck on Netflix, I change the language to Greek or Polish..."
• Jessica (48:49): "Cinderella Sundays... like they were scrubbing the bathroom... followed by a dance party, like, quote, unquote ball."

---

For more episodes, visit The Bobby Bones Show or follow them on Instagram at @FeelingThingsPodcast.

Transcript

[Amy]

You're listening to an iHeart podcast.

[Kat]

Go almost everywhere with the podcasts you love on T Mobile's network because T Mobile helps keep you connected from the heart of Portland to right where you are on America's largest 5G network. Switch now. Keep your phone and T Mobile will pay it off at the $800 per line via prepaid card. Visit your local T Mobile location or learn more@t mobile.com KeepAndSwitch up to four lines via virtual prepaid card. Allow 15 days qualifying unlock device, credit service port in 90 plus days device and eligible carrier and timely redemption required card has no cash access and expires in six months.

[Jessica]

If you've listened to the four Things podcast for a while, you know how important acceptance is when it comes to personal growth. And you know who else is big on acceptance? Discover. Yeah, you see, Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide. That's a whole lot of places and a whole lot of acceptance, which is great for Discover, but even better for you. Based on the February 2024 Nielsen report. Learn more at discover.com credit card all right, if you love to shop with a purpose, well, May is Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month and Macy's is celebrating by spotlighting the vibrant stories and contributions of the AAPI community. You can support by shopping AAPI owned brands at Macy's. And while you're at it, round up your purchase or make a donation to the APIA Scholars, which helps more students access higher education. Shop and donate online@macy's.com Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month goes on all month long to the chill stuff and the in between. Sometimes the best thing you could do is just stop and feel things.

[Amy]

This is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat.

[Jessica]

Happy Tuesday. Welcome to Feeling Things. I'm Amy. And I'm Kat and we are starting the show off with exhibit A. If you've been listening to every episode we've ever done. So like you listened last Tuesday and a few before that, but specifically last Tuesday, I was telling Kat that some tangerines are the size of a ping pong ball.

[Amy]

Okay, first of all, good job on saying ping pong ball.

[Jessica]

Yeah, I practiced because just for this segment, this is a court of law and I have presented to you a tangerine the size of a ping pong ball.

[Amy]

May I hold it?

[Jessica]

You may.

[Amy]

You know what you didn't do?

[Jessica]

What?

[Amy]

I have a couple things to say. One, you didn't bring a ping pong ball to put this next to it.

[Jessica]

Yes, I did. And then I forgot it.

[Amy]

Convenient. Convenient.

[Jessica]

Yes, I did. I got a ping pong ball from my boyfriend's house. We were cleaning out his garage yesterday, and I stuck it in my pocket, and then I don't know where it fell out of my pocket or why it left my pocket or if I ended up putting it on the counter, but it did not make it home with me. And I'm very mad because I had exhibit A and exhibit B. Okay, well, so now I only have a.

[Amy]

This is bigger than a ping pong ball.

[Jessica]

No, it's not. Same. Also, if you were to peel it, for sure.

[Amy]

Okay. Also, I go back to. I. This is my other thing that I'd like to say one. Two more things. What one.

[Jessica]

What about this one? Is this the size of a ping pong ball? Because that's my other.

[Amy]

This one's actually a little bit bigger.

[Jessica]

Oh, okay. So I did give you the smaller one.

[Amy]

I have two things I'd like to say. Okay. One is this is not the size that she brought to show us. The one she showed us was like a cutie. It was like both of these together. Period. New sentence. Why are you defending her?

[Jessica]

I'm not defending her. I just think that you feel as though you got scammed. And in case people didn't listen last week, which we encourage you to go back, download that. Thank you.

[Amy]

But you're defending me.

[Jessica]

Well, I'm just saying you felt like you got got. And you're some idiot that fell for some eyeball scam where she was telling you that it was the size of tangerine, and you went around and you were telling everybody and you went on Instagram and you shared it, and then you talked about on the podcast and you were so fascinated with your new fun fact, and then you were feeling so duped, and you were like, I cannot believe I got scammed. And I'm here to say, like, Cat, you didn't like. You're okay. You're not an idiot. Yes, the tangerines. Those tangerines in particular, which I didn't have to go very far to find those. They just. I think they were in my fridge.

[Amy]

I think that I would feel less confused if she just would have brought a ping pong ball.

[Jessica]

Right.

[Amy]

Because the point of her fact was that it was crazy. This isn't that crazy. Like, it's a little bigger than I thought an eyeball would be, but I wouldn't say. Wow.

[Jessica]

Yeah. Maybe she just heard somewhere one day herself that it was the size of a tangerine. And she thought that all tangerines are that size. And so she was like, wow, it's this. And so she brought it. And, you know, some people are colorblind. Like, maybe she's size blind. You know, like, maybe all tangerines look the same size to her.

[Amy]

You know, that would be a real problem.

[Jessica]

Or she had, like, to your point, she should have just brought the ping.

[Amy]

Pong ball or checked her facts, which is what I will be doing from now on.

[Jessica]

Right. So there you go. Moving on. We have a little quick email question that we got that I thought we could address.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Jessica]

At the top of the show, because what does Walker Hayes sing in our song, our theme song? So if you didn't know, Walker Hayes wrote and performed and recorded and directed and produced our Feeling Things song that plays at the beginning. And he says, amy and Kat got you covered like a umbrella. Yes.

[Amy]

Is that was that clear?

[Jessica]

Yeah, umbrella. Because Jessica wrote in, she said, hey, love the podcast, ladies. What in the world does he say in your intro? Amy and Kat got you covered like a blink, blank, blank, blank, blank. And then she said, thanks. So, yeah, that's it. We got you covered like an umbrella.

[Amy]

Maybe it's umbrella. That's a difficult word because didn't you say you couldn't remember umbrella, Ella. Oh, but you knew umbrella. You just thought it was hand on.

[Jessica]

Your shoulder or something. You're talking about Rihanna's song Umbrella. Yeah, I would say. I thought she said in the song she would say umbrella, Ella, Ella. Like under my umbrella, Ella, Ella. And I would say under my arm forever, ever, ever.

[Amy]

That's so good. Okay, so maybe umbrella is a really hard word to sing in a song.

[Jessica]

Maybe just sometimes it's hard to hear. Walker is great with words and rhymes and making things work. And I think that was a little clever line he did there of like, we've got you covered like an umbrella.

[Amy]

Because you know what? Umbrella covers you.

[Jessica]

Yeah, I know. I like that line a lot. So there you have it, Jessica. Now you know.

[Amy]

Okay, well, I have the feeling of the day. Do you need to say it together?

[Jessica]

I don't know that we have all day. Like, it's time for the feeling of the day.

[Amy]

Is that feels off.

[Jessica]

Have we done that before? That feels off. It's time. I know we do the email of.

[Amy]

The day, but what email of the day is the email of the day. I think we have been doing feeling.

[Jessica]

Okay, maybe one day we'll upgrade to imaging. Do you know what that is? That would be like when you Listen to the radio show. Or like on the Bobby Bone show, we have tons of imaging because it's a live radio show. So there's stuff that's like, playing, like, between breaks and stuff. That Ray, our audio producer, he's back there hitting the imaging live. Like, Bobby, it's like a stinger. You go in and out of stuff or in and out of segments, and there's imaging that we have made, like, what year? What year, what year was it?

[Amy]

Or imaging is like a sound bite.

[Jessica]

If we play a game, we may have music that goes with it. So our imaging would be what we're doing our own imaging. Just live, you and me. We have no buttons, nothing pre recorded, nothing created. Obviously, that's why every episode's a little different.

[Amy]

Wait, so we could create that and then cat could press cryogat, could press boom. And it could say our.

[Jessica]

But the way we roll, we don't really have buttons yet.

[Amy]

So we could get.

[Jessica]

Shannon could probably put it on her phone and then bring the phone over and then we hit play and then it airs.

[Amy]

That'd be pretty sweet.

[Jessica]

And it would be like. Like on the Bobby Bunch, we have imaging that's like.

[Amy]

Wait, why do they call it imaging if it's a sound?

[Jessica]

I don't know.

[Amy]

When you said imaging, I thought it would be like something that scrolled across the screen. You know how.

[Jessica]

You're right. It is audio, but we call it imaging.

[Amy]

All right, well, I do have the feeling of the day. Okay, do you want to hear what it is?

[Jessica]

I'm very excited to hear what it is.

[Amy]

I've been feeling very playful.

[Jessica]

Oh, tell me more.

[Amy]

When you think about playful, what do you. What words come to mind with that?

[Jessica]

I think about. Well, my cat, Maggie is laying here on our coffee table. She's not. She's not in the YouTube chat what.

[Amy]

You think of playful.

[Jessica]

No, but when? Because she's laying right here and I see her in my peripheral vision. Right. When you said that, I was thinking about the time that I had a whole conversation with Maggie, my cat, about how the cat on the COVID of her cat food, who's her long lost sister that's now modeling in New York. And Maggie's jealous.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Like, don't be jealous of your sister that's now modeling on the food. The cat food bag. Like, I know you miss her and you're stuck here in Nashville in a house declawed, but you live a good life, too. She wouldn't even survive the wild. I know, but also, I think she's laying in here with us because she's depressed because her parakeet friend died.

[Amy]

Do you want to talk about it?

[Jessica]

It's fine.

[Amy]

Feels like you want to talk about it. That's not very playful.

[Jessica]

We don't need to talk about it. That's not playful. I feel like she. She's sad.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Jessica]

Like, I wish the camera could get.

[Amy]

On her, but it does look like she's in mourning.

[Jessica]

No, I'm telling you, she is. She was just wailing at the top of the stairs where she used to go, like, meow to get let in so she could sit by the bird. And now there's no bird. And she just.

[Amy]

She's like, I have nothing to live for.

[Jessica]

She just meows, like. And so now maybe I could do a playful story with her about how the bird went to go model in New York, too.

[Amy]

That would be so depressing. Everybody's leaving me to be a model.

[Jessica]

Right. But that's playful. Right. Like, whenever I do that sort of stuff where. With my cat or with my kids, where I do playful things.

[Amy]

Thank you. I do think, if you don't mind, could you share the little psa that might be helpful to other people so their birds don't pass away.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Amy]

What you learned about birds?

[Jessica]

Oh, well, yeah. I mean, the running theory is that I potentially. Well, yeah, I potentially killed the bird. Do you want to talk about how maybe with incense. We got it for my daughter's 18th birthday. Chris Hemsworth was the name of the bird. Rest in peace. She named it that. Clearly, she must be a fan of.

[Amy]

She's like, I hate Chris Hemsworth.

[Jessica]

Chris Hemsworth. No, I think she's very attracted to him, so she named her bird after him. And I decided to burn incense. I hadn't burned it since we got the bird, and it fills the whole house. Like, it's. I love incense. And then the next day, Chris was at the bottom of the cage. And then I googled it, and a veterinarian had laid out the top eight things that are, like, toxic to birds or. Yeah, and candles and incense right there. Who knew?

[Amy]

So if you have a bird or you're thinking about getting a bird, remove the candles with scents.

[Jessica]

Yeah, but why would you burn a candle that has no scent? Like, why would you burn.

[Amy]

You might have them for. You don't have decoration.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[Amy]

Candlesticks. I feel like candlesticks don't have sense.

[Jessica]

Sure you can there. Yeah, but you can have candlesticks. Make sure any little smoke, they have.

[Amy]

The smokers at the scent Well, I.

[Jessica]

Know they have weak respiratory systems.

[Amy]

That's good to know. That's not common knowledge. No, because they live in the wild and there's all kinds of smells out there. Yeah, that's your theory. Can I share my theory?

[Jessica]

Sure.

[Amy]

I think the bird was, like, 18 years old when you bought it. You just didn't know. Okay, he was on his last leg. And now you're blaming yourself when. Really, like, the pet store, did they have a birth certificate also? They could have faked it.

[Jessica]

You can rewrite that story if that helps. Like, what is that? We're rewriting it. Just.

[Amy]

Yeah, we don't know what happened. So you might as well write a story that is helpful and not hurtful. You didn't kill the bird.

[Jessica]

Feeling like it did.

[Amy]

They sold your daughter's friend. Old geezer bird, maybe.

[Jessica]

Yeah, it was a gift from her best friend. Her. Her best friend gifted her the bird for her 18th birthday. And I think she wanted, like, birds can live 15, 20 years. I think she thought she was gonna have Chris Hemsworth forever. And he lasted, like, two weeks.

[Amy]

Okay, but in my theory, he did last pretty long for a bird.

[Jessica]

Okay, you're right, because he was old.

[Amy]

18. Okay.

[Jessica]

Anyway, geriatric parakeet.

[Amy]

You gave him a really nice last two weeks of his life.

[Jessica]

Let's get back to being playful.

[Amy]

Okay, I'm feeling playful because I'm actually have been feeling this for a little a couple weeks. Two weeks ago, I went out to eat with my husband, and we just were going to. We're going to a new to us restaurant, but nowhere like.

[Jessica]

Did you say new to us?

[Amy]

It was new to us.

[Jessica]

Okay, it sounded like you said we were going to a nude restaurant.

[Amy]

We were feeling really playful, so we went to a nude restaurant.

[Jessica]

So you went to a new to you.

[Amy]

New to us. Yes, new to. New to me.

[Jessica]

Okay. Not nude to you.

[Amy]

N E W. Got it to me. And. Well, actually, I had been there once. I said to us. Because we both had not been there together.

[Jessica]

So as a couple.

[Amy]

As a couple, we had never been there together. Anyway, we were just going to dinner on a Friday night, and so he got home from work, and I said, I have an idea. He said, what? I said, let's pretend like we're on vacation and we're visiting Nashville. And he was like, I'm not doing that. I think he, like, didn't get it, but I was like, we can go get drinks somewhere and then walk to the restaurant from where the drinks are. Maybe go to, like, a rooftop Somewhere. Some. Somewhere that I think, because I've lived here my whole adult life, it's like, oh, yeah, the Thompson Hotel. What's that place called?

[Jessica]

Yeah, the Thompson at the top.

[Amy]

What's it called? Oh, it's. Now I'm blanking.

[Jessica]

I went on a date there once.

[Amy]

I know that's. I am envisioning that. What is it called?

[Jessica]

The Jackson.

[Amy]

Jackson. Yes. Let's go there and get a drink, and then let's go walk to dinner, and then we can do something after. And the whole time while we were there, I kept being like, we're on vacation. We're on vacation. And I swear to God, I thought I was on vacation.

[Jessica]

Did Patrick feel like he was on vacation, or was he just annoyed because he's, like, next to you being, like, on vacation?

[Amy]

I think he warmed up to the idea. And then I was like, we can order whatever we want for dinner because we're on vacation.

[Jessica]

I love this.

[Amy]

Yeah. I did trick myself. It felt more fun. Like, when we're waiting for our table, I was like, nobody knows that we live here. They might think that we're from, like, Alaska.

[Jessica]

Yeah, I don't think that they're thinking, like, nobody's thinking about. Wonder where they're from. I.

[Amy]

Okay, first of all, I think that.

[Jessica]

You don't think that you look around and wonder where people are from?

[Amy]

I'm like, yeah, are you on vacation? Are you just, like, on a first date? I love playing that game on the first date. Are you. Do you love your partner? Like, are you just with a friend? Like, I. Oh, you do. So if you look at another wondering.

[Jessica]

People'S stories couple eating, like, while you. But you don't ever get an answer to your question. You just look over and you're like, I wonder if they actually like each other.

[Amy]

And then I go and ask them.

[Jessica]

Like, are you guys really in love? Or do you.

[Amy]

You don't ever do that where you, like, kind of write somebody's story?

[Jessica]

No, but, I mean, maybe I'll start because this is a playful thing.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Like, it's something you can do of, like, just like. Yeah. When you're on a date, like, make up stories about everybody else around you. I wonder where they came from.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Down under. I wonder if they just got out of jail. I wonder what they were in for.

[Amy]

Yeah. See how that can be fun?

[Jessica]

Yeah. That she hit her boyfriend with a car and let him die in the snow.

[Amy]

Speaking of, I'd like to bring that.

[Jessica]

Back up right now.

[Amy]

Well, I have one more play I.

[Jessica]

Still want to be playful before we get into, like, Karen Reed, like you. That ignites some drama.

[Amy]

Yeah. People, I have one more. So, first of all, I recommend that because especially if you live in a city that people visit a lot, I feel like sometimes I get jaded towards things, and that helped me have a little bit more fun.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[Amy]

My second thing that we did was this past weekend, we did something called Patty Day, which you can insert that with anybody. It can be Amy Day, can be Nancy Day. It can be Catherine Day, can be whatever you want. I mean, I would pick somebody's name that's involved in the day. But what it is is we started this last year. Patrick, my husband, just planned a day for me and two of our couple friends from start to finish, from the beginning of the day to the end of the day. He planned an itinerary and didn't tell anybody what that itinerary was until it was time to do that next activity. So the day before, he texted us the first location, time, and then where it was, and then we didn't find out what the next thing was until it was time to do the next activity. So you just kind of, like, got to fly by the seat of your pants.

[Jessica]

That's so fun. I know. I texted you, and I was like, I want to be yalls friend today. But, I mean, I know it's a thing y' all do with those other couples, but maybe next year you can come and.

[Amy]

I made shirts this year, and I.

[Jessica]

Was kind of jealous of the shirts. I mean, they were retro. Like, the paint.

[Amy]

Like, they were supposed to be like.

[Jessica]

You made them or you had them made.

[Amy]

First of all, I'm now into airbrush T shirts.

[Jessica]

Of course you are.

[Amy]

I bought an airbrush, I took a class, and I designed the shirts. Class where I ordered them on Etsy.

[Jessica]

Oh, see? But do you. Do you see how you get with hobbies? And I 100% believe that you maybe took some $5 online airbrush course and you bought this airbrush thing and you made those shirts.

[Amy]

Honestly, if that exists, I'll do it. Those shirts were cool. It was supposed to be ironic, like, funny.

[Jessica]

Oh, I. I loved it. I thought it was so great.

[Amy]

He was embarrassed by the shirt, but who cares? Well, he wasn't gonna wear it, but then everybody else was like, these are so cool. So he wore it.

[Jessica]

He wore it. It's like, it's Patty Day.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Yeah. And you look at him and you go, you're on vacation.

[Amy]

I said, like, we're on vacation. Again, because I think people definitely thought we were from out of town.

[Jessica]

Oh, with your matching T shirts. A hundred percent.

[Amy]

The second. Well, the third location was a really nice place. I think they, like, probably didn't want to let us in.

[Jessica]

How long does it last? I saw y' all went to Pinewood Social.

[Amy]

I went to Pinewood Social, had brunch. Well, it was like late lunch, which.

[Jessica]

If you ever visit Nashville, that's a really fun place to go.

[Amy]

That was. Oh, and the crazy thing is we got sat next to a table, and they were celebrating a birthday, and they had taped all these green and blue balloons all over the booth, and we were right next to them, so. So it looked like I got those green or Patrick did. Got those balloons for our table because they matched our shirts.

[Jessica]

Your shirt. So that was for green and blue.

[Amy]

Yeah. Then we did the bowling there. So that was the second spot. Then he took us to the Oneho.

[Jessica]

One Hotel.

[Amy]

No, the Joseph. Is that a hotel?

[Jessica]

You were there.

[Amy]

I told us the one hotel in Joseph. I think there's. I think we went to the Joseph. And we were supposed to go to the rooftop of the Joseph, but our reservation wasn't ready yet. So we went to the speakeasy under the Joseph, which also has a restaurant in it called Yolan. It's very good, fancy Italian food. But, yes, we went to the Speakeasy, and the speakeasy was really nice. And I think that they were like.

[Jessica]

Y' all stroll in with your matching T shirts?

[Amy]

Yeah. The waiter was like, I don't know if the waiter was not friendly, because that was the vibe, you know, he was not friendly.

[Jessica]

Would you look at him and be like, we're on vacation. Vacation.

[Amy]

That's where I found the ice cube with the flowers in it. And you're like, this is your next hobby? And I was like, I'm already Googling how to make these ice cubes.

[Jessica]

Oh, that was legit. So there. Yes. Cat posted about it so you can tell people. But, yeah, it was like, the most beautiful ice cubes I've ever seen in my life.

[Amy]

Yeah, it was a huge rectangle, and then it had pretty, like, wildflowers all in it, so I Googled that. I'll be making those. So then we went to the rooftop of the Joseph, which was very nice. It even had, like, a sign on our cabana that he rented that said Van Buren because of our reservation. Wow, that was pretty cool.

[Jessica]

If you've listened to the Four Things podcast for a while, you know how important acceptance is when it comes to personal growth. And you know who else is big on acceptance? Discussion yeah, you see, Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide. That's a whole lot of places and a whole lot of acceptance. Which is great for Discover, but even better for you. Based on the February 2024 Nielsen report. Learn more at discover.com credit card go.

[Kat]

Almost everywhere with the podcasts you love on T Mobile's network. Because T Mobile helps keep you connected from the heart of Portland to right where you are on America's largest 5G network. Switch now. Keep your phone and T Mobile will pay it off up to $800 per line via prepaid cart. Visit your local T Mobile location or learn more@t mobile.com keepnswitch up to four lines of your virtual prepaid card will have 15 days qualified unlock device, credit service port in 90 plus days device and eligible carrier and timely redemption required card is no cash access and expires in six months.

[Jessica]

Days are getting longer and hotter, which means one thing. Summertime is right around the corner. That hopefully means more time with you and your family and friends in your backyard. Now for me personally, this has been my first spring at my new house with this weather changing and my first summer where I really get to host people. Because I feel like last summer I was just trying to get settled into my house. So I don't know about you. Is your home ready for backyard hangs? I've been doing some shopping on Wayfair and I got some ideas for you. Outdoor seating. Gotta make sure you got some of that. Wayfair has conversation sets. They have Chase lounges. They have club chairs. They have Adirondack chairs. So cute. Outdoor sofas. They've got whatever you need. Maybe outdoor dining is more your vibe. They have dining tables, sets, umbrellas, outdoor dining chairs, bar stools, grills. Really, Wayfair has everything you need. Storage and organization. You're trying to have some stuff out there, but also have it put away. Well, they've got sheds and deck boxes. They also have patio cushions, planters, umbrellas, fireplaces, heaters, garden structures. The list goes on and on and on. So whether you need to upgrade that backyard, add some style, or anything in between, check out Wayfair Shop a huge selection of outdoor furniture online this summer. Get outside with wayfair. Head to wayfair.com right now. That's W A Y F A I R.com Wayfair Every style, every home. Just for people that might want to plan this themselves. Like if they Want to do, like, a fun day like this with their friends. And I get that Patrick's planning whole thing, but it's obviously three couples total, so six people. Like, do you just split the bills or.

[Amy]

Oh, pay for your own stuff.

[Jessica]

You pay for your own stuff. Okay, well, I made a budget. Like, I can't. I Patty day that. Wow. Patrick is really nice. He's reserving all this stuff and doing it. But y' all go into it knowing, like, hey, this is a fun day we're going to do, and everybody takes. Takes care of their bill, respectively, but.

[Amy]

You also could do this. And I. We didn't need to go to that fancy of the. The cabana was a little much, I think Patrick just didn't really know what. And it was cool. But you could do anything. You could just go to somebody's backyard. We're like the next. It's like a progressive day, like a progressive dinner. Like, the next course, we're going to go to so and so's house and play poetry for Neanderthals. That game we like. That could have been one of the stops. Or now we're gonna go this place and get ice cream. Like, you could do this with your kids, you know?

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Amy]

It was fun.

[Jessica]

I love it.

[Amy]

So. Okay.

[Jessica]

Thank you for sharing your playful.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Your feeling of the day feeling.

[Amy]

That was right.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Feeling of it.

[Jessica]

Yeah. I have a feeling, and it's happy.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Jessica]

Because I have something that you're gonna be like, your. Your jaw might hit the floor about something that I got for us, which you're very into. Now you. Let's. Let me see. You'll guess it when I tell you that it's something that you rejected for, like, two years. Like, I was raving about it left and right, and you were like, this is stupid snail. Snail serum. Yeah. 25% off code. Which I know you texted me the other day, like, hey, I'm gonna get this, and I'll just use the code. And I'm like, wait, because you have a better code. Just wait. Because the better code is happy25. And I think until May 30, which I want to reach out to him because that's. There's 31 days in May. So I'd be like, it ends on May 30. But I know from now, today is May 20, when people are listening to this. Oh, Shannon just told me. Oh, they have a sale, a different sale that's starting May 31st. So it's got a cut off. So you'll have 10 days from May 20th to May 30th. A 25 off is like the highest percentage that I've ever had for a biopill code. And this is a company I met completely organically when I was posting about them on Instagram a couple years ago. My face person, Carrie, she told me about it. She was like, I learned about this, I think like on YouTube. Some double or triple board certified dermatologist was like, put this nail serum on your face. And she's like, you gotta order it right away. I ordered it on Amazon and was so nervous on how to use the ampules, it is intimidating. I do have a how to on my Instagram radio, Amy. And you pop the ampules and you can do like these treatments, which. I know something that. What?

[Amy]

You can feel playful when you're doing the treatments because it's like you're at a spa. I'm at a spa. I'm at a spa. Yes.

[Jessica]

Okay. I like that treatment.

[Amy]

Treatment.

[Jessica]

You can do your little pop, your little ampoule pop. Like, sort of like you're popping the bottle of champagne. And it's like. Because it's so nice, the crunch is very satisfying. It's like, oh my gosh, we should go. Shannon. I think I have an ampoule up in my bathroom, like top drawer if you want to grab one. We'll pop one live here.

[Amy]

Do you think you'll be able to hear it?

[Jessica]

I think so. I'll do it right into the mic because it really is. It's like a asmr.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Is that how you say it? Yeah, asmr. It's so satisfying.

[Amy]

I like to like, keep on crunching.

[Jessica]

I know, but once you crunch. I know, but I crunch because I try to get every ounce out of that that I can. And I'm like squeezing it. But Happy 25 is a code. They have until, well, May 30, so don't wait till the 31st, although they will have some other sale. But it's the products that I use that now Catch really loves too. And so it's a link specific that they created for my page. But I love when things just happen organically because I was just posting about them and they're like, who is this girl? And they DM me and they're like, what? How did you find us? We're just. We're like a, a small company. Like, we. And they have been like the sweetest and they've given codes and just really, if we've ever done giveaways, like, they Always want to be a part of it. And I have been a big fan for a long time. And then Kat didn't believe the hype, and then she tried it, and she was like, okay, fine, I believe it now.

[Amy]

Yeah. And I was like, why did I waste all my time?

[Jessica]

You mean waste all the time not using it? Yeah, if you could go back. But, hey, you have it here now. Okay. Ready?

[Amy]

Yeah. Are you gonna pop it that way?

[Jessica]

Yeah, and then I'll hold. I pop it that way. I won't pop it that. I'll pop it that way just to begin, and I'll do it upside. I get it. It's not gonna leak out.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Jessica]

I'm a snail expert. Secretion expert.

[Amy]

Now you have to say the secretion.

[Jessica]

We're at the spa. We're at the spa. Okay, so ready? One, two. Wait. I need to work out. I need to work out my hands now. I'm nervous, and I'm, like, sweating. Okay, ready? Ready? One, two. Guys, the pressure. It's not this hard. I think I'm nervous. I think I'm nervous. No, no, no, don't take it out.

[Amy]

I'm afraid I'm.

[Jessica]

You don't take it out. You have it like this, and then you put this sleeve on it to protect it. Right. And then it's not this hard. I think I'm just nervous.

[Amy]

Got it.

[Jessica]

And then I really didn't want any juice to drip because I don't want to waste this because I will save it like this. And I will use that tonight before bed or maybe even in the morning. I'll link the page where all the items that are 25% off. It'll be products that I have used for the last couple of years, ever since I got to know them, and then started using all the. Their various things. But the ampoules, that situation in particular is the tensage 40. And Sheena and I were talking about this the other day, about how. Yeah, it's a pricier thing, but it's a. It's a treatment that you do. And so it can last 10 days, or you can get a pack and save it for, like, special occasions when you want that glow. Like, if you're wanting to go on a pretend vacation or something. Or pretend spa day.

[Amy]

Yeah. Also just something nice if you want to have, like, a special fancy day.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Like, if you're going to a dinner or something. Like, on my vacation dinner.

[Jessica]

And so I just thought it was so fun that they were doing 25% off for us. So that is the confirmed code. Happy 25 to get the 25 and then I'll link that in the show notes. So you have the radio. Amy specific link, but cool. That would make you happy. That's a feeling. Happy's a feeling.

[Amy]

It almost felt like you got nervous. Like, happy's a feeling, right?

[Jessica]

I am nervous. I'm sweating for some reason. Like, when I couldn't pop that ampoule, I was like, oh, yeah, I gotta work out my hands. Yeah.

[Amy]

Did you used to have those little like.

[Jessica]

Yes, my mom did.

[Amy]

My parents had them too. I'm like, what do those. Actually, maybe they do work.

[Jessica]

Yeah. I think it's important to exercise your hands, like to prevent.

[Amy]

I can't say I ever saw my parents use them, but I know we had them.

[Jessica]

Yeah, I'm definitely. It's probably some infomercial thing that she bought. She was like, oh, yeah, get me one of those. Or five.

[Amy]

We had all those kinds of like ab roller things too. Like the little cruncher machine.

[Jessica]

Same.

[Amy]

My dad used to do that, though.

[Jessica]

I watched him do that app roller.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Jessica]

Those were clutch. So I got a DM from a listener about the Karen Reed case.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

That I want to share here. Because we didn't just get this dm. We got multiple emails. We got lots of people with lots of thoughts.

[Amy]

I feel like I need to clear the air. So read the dm.

[Jessica]

So I'll read the dm. Just to kind of sum up, we have a lot of listeners in Boston. Shout out.

[Amy]

Boston.

[Jessica]

Boston. So this is. Hey, me. I heard you talking about Karen Reed on the podcast. I'm from the Boston area and most of this area overwhelmingly thinks she is innocent. There's so much evidence that didn't get put into these documentaries. Well, I've got to back up because in case somebody hasn't listened, last week I was like, I don't know if she did it. And Kat over here was like, she did it.

[Amy]

But I said, if I was on the jury, I. I wouldn't have said she did it.

[Jessica]

Well, you just couldn't. You definitely couldn't convict her for it because there was still reasonable doubt.

[Amy]

Right?

[Jessica]

Yeah. We're a lawyer podcast now. We know the words. Okay, back to the dm. The Canton PD was. Was already under federal investigation. A cop was grooming a 14 year old and got her pregnant. At 16, she was found dead. Originally ruled suicide, then later ruled homicide. And the officer was accused and other officers accused of covering it up. I also don't believe that the documentary showed the nephew of the homeowner that had bloody and scraped up knuckles the day after and he claimed that he fell on ice. I have been watching the trial and the homeowners and their family stories on are inconsistent. They also destroyed their phones and SIM cards on military bases, which when you do that on a military base, you can't, you can't dig through and get stuff like that from a military base. So they did that.

[Amy]

Oh, I didn't know why that was important. Okay, that makes sense because why not.

[Jessica]

Just choose a random dumpster instead of.

[Amy]

Trying to find a random one? And that was the random one he found.

[Jessica]

But to get on a military base.

[Amy]

I've never done it before. I didn't know how difficult you mean got.

[Jessica]

Well, I mean he obviously had access to the military base. But what's interesting about a military base trash is you can't go through it.

[Amy]

No matter who you are, I guess.

[Jessica]

Because like classified stuff.

[Amy]

Okay, that makes sense.

[Jessica]

They went on to say, I can't wait to hear what the rest of the show thinks. Because this is also something that we're doing on the Bobby Bones show. Like I, I had them watch it too, which we've talked about it, but now we're just doing an update here. It's insane. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist type person. I respect law enforcement tremendously, but this seems so corrupt.

[Amy]

And I don't know if you read this part. She said the homeowners rehomed their 8 year old dog, ripped up the carpet in their basement and immediately sold their house.

[Jessica]

Oh, ye skipped over that. But yes, that's similar to. There's, there's the cop with the SIM card that he got rid of that. And then yeah, the homeowner got rid of the dog. And you're like, what?

[Amy]

So, okay, I appreciate these messages because we got a couple emails about it too that were similar stories. And I got some DMS of people who are following the case that sent me some things and I don't know who it was. Multiple people told us to listen to the crime junkie episode of this, which isn't that old of an episode. I think it came out. Is the documentary old?

[Jessica]

No, the documentary is. I don't know when it came out. Obviously it's gaining popularity right now because the trial, that documentary is the first trial which everybody kind of knows, especially since there's a new trial right now that, that was a hung jury. So it was a mistrial. And so now she's being tried again. And that's what's happening currently at this moment.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Unless it ended like yesterday, which I don't know because, like, by the time people are hearing this side, I think.

[Amy]

It'S probably still good. Oh, yeah. I don't know how long these are supposed to last, but I'm having adhd. Thought. You know how I was wondering, why would they be recording that throughout the trial when they made the documentary? Do you think she got money from that and that's how she's paying for her lawyers? Because I was really wondering. Her defense has to be so expensive to have to do it again. Yeah.

[Jessica]

I don't know. I would imagine that she made some money from that. And then I. Which like, I too wonder about her legal fees.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

And I wonder if they're like, okay, cool, we're getting publicity because we're going to be on TV thanks to your trial. So maybe we'll give you a little discount. They have like a documentary discount.

[Amy]

They should give a documentary discount. Okay. I feel like I need to do some backtracking. Go for it. Okay. I guess when I was watching the documentary because of the way it ended, even though I didn't watch the last 15 minutes, she just seemed her. Like I said, her vibe seemed so nonchalant. Again, how do you act? I don't know what the right way to act is, but it was throughout. Like, you're, you're like, she did it, she didn't do it, she did it, she didn't do it. And I think I just ended on the she did it. You know, I forgot about a lot of this stuff. Also, why wouldn't the documentary talk about the nephew?

[Jessica]

Who knows?

[Amy]

That's a huge piece. And I'm now listening to that crime junkie podcast. It's two hours long, so I'm only halfway through it. She, overwhelmed, overwhelmingly feels so far innocent in the way that they're presenting it. Yeah. And I think she does a pretty good job of presenting facts. And then when something's weird, they're like, that's weird, isn't it? And they're like, yeah, if this is true, maybe I'm doing some digging on my own brain. Maybe I. A part of me wants her to be guilty because that would suck if that many people are involved of framing another person. Like, I hate that the.

[Jessica]

Like, we trust law enforcement. We want to believe they would never do something like this. And that would really, really suck if people that we trust our lives with are doing a cover up. This. Like a big cover up like this. Yeah.

[Amy]

I don't Wish her to have killed him. But I wish more that that was not a thing that happened. That there's this big of a conspiracy within law enforcement with people. Like you said, that sucks. So I. I think my mind is also a little biased because I want this not to be a real thing.

[Jessica]

I know. Well, the fact is somebody did it. And it's like, how. I don't know what's gonna be the. The final verdict of this new trial, but it's pretty. It's pretty sad and crazy because you want justice for John for sure. I mean, she wants that. Hopefully the police want that. Everybody wants that. But it seems so divided, like, team Pink and team Blue.

[Amy]

I don't like that.

[Jessica]

Me neither. Because that's not justice for John. It's not like, pick a side. It's just like, let's figure out who did it, killed him.

[Amy]

That's what they're saying on Crime Junkie, where she was like, we've lost the plot. It's not even about this. The people are harassing his parents, like John's parents walking into, like, the court and stuff. And that sucks. Those should be the people that were supporting is they lost their son. Watching that documentary. You forget that somebody died almost. Which is weird because.

[Jessica]

And like, for her, she's fighting for her life and her innocence of like, I didn't do this. And sometimes I know when I see her getting, like, celebratory in any way, or smiling or laughing or acting fun, I'm like, how. But then years have passed, right? Years have passed. She has to move on a little bit. And of course she wants justice, too. But it is a little weird when she, like, high fives her lawyer. You're like, wait a second.

[Amy]

Or she's laughing or something.

[Jessica]

She's allowed to move on.

[Amy]

Two things can be true at once. I can be happy that something's going well for me, and I'm not. I'm trying not to get convicted of murder. And so I can be happy when I have a win and also still be sad that my boyfriend died.

[Jessica]

Right. Except for it is kind of shitty. She was, like, texting that other cop, like, hey, you're hot.

[Amy]

Yeah, but.

[Jessica]

And he's like, even if you're cheating.

[Amy]

On your boyfriend, it doesn't mean you automatically want to be dead.

[Jessica]

Right? And even if she hit him with.

[Amy]

A car and doesn't mean you wanted to kill him. Right?

[Jessica]

It's not.

[Amy]

I forgot about this. But the injuries are weird.

[Jessica]

Yeah, the injuries are weird.

[Amy]

The dog bites.

[Jessica]

Yes. Everything's Weird.

[Amy]

It's all weird.

[Jessica]

The whole thing is just doesn't look.

[Amy]

Like somebody got hit.

[Jessica]

I know. We just thought it'd be fair to follow up so Kat could proclaim she still. She doesn't know because last week she was saying, I'm sorry, Karen, I didn't.

[Amy]

Mean to be so.

[Jessica]

But also judgy. But also she could have maybe done it so.

[Amy]

So then I'm not sorry.

[Jessica]

It's just one of those things where it's like, God, we don't know and it's terrible and I just would never want to be in that situation. I mean, imagine like your boyfriend dies and you had nothing to do with it, but then all of a sudden you're being accused of murdering him, and then that's now your life and, you know, you have legal bills out the.

[Amy]

Imagine that wazoo.

[Jessica]

And then the whole world is seeing that. Yeah, you texted some other cop like, hey, you're hot. And then also that you called your boyfriend like 50 times saying, I know you're hooking up with another woman right now.

[Amy]

That was maybe the cringiest part of the whole thing is watching that guy read those text messages.

[Jessica]

Oh, yeah. Cringe central for the world to see. Yeah, I would be more. I would throw my SIM card in the military.

[Amy]

I get it.

[Jessica]

I get it, get it. I get it. I be like, I do not like.

[Amy]

That'S not the guy that did it. That's not the guy that threw the SIM card in the. Oh, it was. Yeah.

[Jessica]

Honestly, I don't think that's why I say there's two Brian's. Like, the dog owner is a Brian. There's a Brian Higgins and a Brian. Something else. Yeah, maybe so. And they both have goatees and they're both police officers, so it gets confusing. But I think one of the Brian's threw away the SIM card on and the phone in the military trash. And then the other Brian got rid of his dog conveniently.

[Amy]

Conveniently. And ripped up his carpet and sold his house.

[Jessica]

If you've listened to the Four Things podcast for a while, you know how important acceptance is when it comes to personal growth. And you know who else is big on acceptance? Discovery.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

You see, Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide. That's a whole lot of places and a whole lot of acceptance, which is great for Discover, but even better for you. Based on the February 2024 Nielsen report. Learn more at discover.com credit card go.

[Kat]

Almost everywhere with the podcasts you love on T Mobile's network because T Mobile helps keep you connected from the heart of Portland to right where you are on America's largest 5G network. Switch now. Keep your phone and T Mobile will pay it off up to $800 per line via prepaid card. Visit your local T Mobile location or learn more@t mobile.com KeepAndSwitch up to 4 lines via virtual prepaid card. Allow 15 days qualifying unlock device, credit service port in 90 plus days device knowledgeable carrier and timely redemption. Required card is no cash access. It expires in six months.

[Jessica]

I love when stores give us a chance to shop with a purpose and even learn more in the process. It's Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month and Macy's is doing more than just acknowledging it. They're creating real opportunities to give back and highlight AAPI voices. One way is by supporting APIA Scholars. So when you shop at Macy's in store online, you can round up your purchase or donate directly to help fund higher education for first generation students. They're also featuring some amazing AAPI owned brands. This month I saw Dip and Daisies on the site. They have really fun swimsuits for summer and Lux and Nicks makes the kind of work bags that go from meetings to mom mode effortlessly. Shop and donate online@macy's.com purpose Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month goes on all month long. I saw an article the other day, this is a little bit related but like only 62% of Americans would put their reputation on the line to like be a reference for a friend. I thought that was low. Like what is the quality of our friendships here, America?

[Amy]

A reference for a like a job.

[Jessica]

Or put their their reputation on the line like that would be like if my friend wanted to come and work at my company that okay, I wouldn't say like oh yeah, I wouldn't vouch for them. Would you like a good person?

[Amy]

But would you lie?

[Jessica]

But I think most of my friends would be good at a job. Most.

[Amy]

So what about the friend that asked in there? Wouldn't be good? Would you lie?

[Jessica]

Well, I don't know what I would.

[Amy]

Do because I wouldn't lie. I would be a character witness or a reference for somebody that I could do that for. But if I thought you killed your boyfriend, I wouldn't go and do that.

[Jessica]

Well yeah, but obviously I killed my boyfriend. I'm just talking about our everyday friends.

[Amy]

And like so I guess my point is so like it's different if you were gonna go work at a job and I didn't Work there. Like, if it was, you just wrote me as a reference.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Which can you write your friends as your references? You can?

[Jessica]

Yeah, I think so.

[Amy]

It'd be different. I'd be like, who cares? I don't care. I want you to get a job. So, sure, you'd be good at this, but if you were coming to work for me at a company and I really cared about my job and my reputation at that company, and I did not think you would be a good fit or I didn't know, I would either say, I don't know, or I would say, I'm not going to do it.

[Jessica]

Wow.

[Amy]

That would be hard, though. It would be hard to do. I think it would be.

[Jessica]

Yeah. Because if I show up and I'm like this lazy.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

My work ethic is horrible, and then it's your reputation on the line, and.

[Amy]

Then people don't trust me, and that could hurt me.

[Jessica]

Okay, hold on. Shannon pulled up the exact article. It says 62% of Americans would be willing. Would be willing to put their reputation on the line by acting as a reference for a loved one's job or apartment application. This suggests that a smaller percentage, 38%, would not be willing to do so.

[Amy]

Oh, that makes sense because most people would do it.

[Jessica]

No, but 62% still seems low to me. That's my point. I feel like. What?

[Amy]

I don't think it's that low.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[Amy]

It's. Again, it depends. I want more information. I want to know what job it is.

[Jessica]

Okay. Well, I guess it's just this is a vague survey of Americans. There's lots of jobs.

[Amy]

Yeah. I got more questions.

[Jessica]

Okay. Well, I wonder how many people would be a character witness for there.

[Amy]

That's a bigger deal.

[Jessica]

Yeah, well, my friend's husband's co worker was character witness also. But again, I don't know if I was supposed to share that, so I should have said.

[Amy]

I think anybody can nail down who you're talking about.

[Jessica]

I should have reversed it. I should have said, made up like I should. I should have said.

[Amy]

It does sound like you made that.

[Jessica]

Not. But I did. I didn't. I. I should have said to be more like, just so if my friend's listening, she won't know I'm talking about her. I should have said, my friend's wife. Coworker flips details.

[Amy]

Also, I have to add this.

[Jessica]

Who's a man?

[Amy]

The wife.

[Jessica]

The coworker.

[Amy]

The coworker of the wife. Okay. You being a character witness isn't saying you did it or you Didn't.

[Jessica]

Yeah, I know. It just sounded like I had classified information, and I. I don't think I do.

[Amy]

But I think you. I mean, that feel. You feel a little closer.

[Jessica]

Inside scoop.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Yeah. How. How crazy is it that I know someone who is married to someone that works with someone that was testifying in this trial that everybody's talking about?

[Amy]

Do you know what we call that? A nothing burger.

[Jessica]

Nothing burger.

[Amy]

It's like, nothing. It's like you got this, like, hot gossip on the case, and you're like, yeah, I actually don't know who this person is, if it's a male or woman, what they said, what they went, if it really happened.

[Jessica]

Is that what you say to your clients when they're in your office and they tell you some story and you're like, you know what we call that in therapy? A nothing burger. Who calls it that? Who calls it that? Like, you would never say that to a client.

[Amy]

You're not my client. You're not talking about, like, your trauma. You're like, I got this inside scoop. And then it was like a. It's cool, it's cool, it's cool.

[Jessica]

Maybe I'll try to find out more info.

[Amy]

It's a plain cheeseburger. How about that?

[Jessica]

Okay. Plain cheeseburger. No ketchup.

[Amy]

No ketchup. No toppings, no mayo.

[Jessica]

No pickle full.

[Amy]

No mayo is a good thing.

[Jessica]

I don't have to have it on a burger. But I love mayonnaise. I love chicken salad. I love mayonnaise on my sandwiches. I love.

[Amy]

Would you eat it with a spoon?

[Jessica]

Yeah, I could eat mayonnaise. I. You know how my dad uses mayonnaise?

[Amy]

Or he did on grilled cheese.

[Jessica]

Rest in peace on grilled cheese. Some people butter the bread and then put on the skillet, but my dad would basically butter it with mayonnaise. Hellman's mayonnaise, and. Oh, it just makes the perfect.

[Amy]

I need to stop talking about mayonnaise.

[Jessica]

Crispiness.

[Amy]

I'm just thinking about it, and I don't like it.

[Jessica]

I know. You don't like anything white. Cat hates her race. You don't like anything white.

[Amy]

I like mozzarella cheese.

[Jessica]

Are you sure?

[Amy]

Yes. I like parmesan cheese. I like Caesar salad dressing. If you don't tell me what's in it, this is gonna throw you for a loop. I like ranch. If you don't talk about the ingredients of it. Ranch is basically like mayonnaise with a little seasoning in it.

[Jessica]

Yeah, it's like sour cream.

[Amy]

Stop.

[Jessica]

But you don't like sour cream. Okay, well, I got that DM from Instagram, but we also got all those emails. But I know you're getting DMS too, so. Dms, things are blowing up thanks to Karen Reed, which I was like, gosh, we should have really done a major, major deep dive and delivered something similar to like crime junkies. And then we could be like in on this. But instead we're not. We're not a good resource for people when it comes to this trial.

[Amy]

We're not a Lawyer podcast.

[Jessica]

Although I might get more info from my friend's husband's co worker.

[Amy]

I'll keep you to that.

[Jessica]

And then we'll have an exclusive. Okay, but I'll. I'll let you know on that.

[Amy]

The downloads are gonna be off the chart because you're gonna have this like, secret piece of information off the charts.

[Jessica]

But speaking of Instagram, I did want to talk about a post that I saw Upworthy put up and it's unhinged parenting hacks from parents all over the country. And I thought they were kind of funny and they may or not be helpful for some of our listeners. And we can share em with everybody now if you want to. Yeah, you wanna do the first one? This one made me lol.

[Amy]

Whenever it's bedtime and they are still stuck on Netflix, I change the language to Greek or Polish and tell them they don't understand because they're too tired and it's bedtime.

[Jessica]

And that is definitely an unhinged parenting hack. So yeah, if your kids, I mean, they have to be young enough to not really understand exactly what's happening. But that's pretty.

[Amy]

That's funny.

[Jessica]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You just don't understand because you're tired. It's time for bed.

[Amy]

So tired, tired.

[Jessica]

It'll be back. You'll understand in the morning.

[Amy]

Your brain's not working. You need some rest.

[Jessica]

One parent said, we did Cinderella Sundays where we cleaned all morning and then they wore their princess dresses to a fancy candle at dinner, followed by a dance party, like, quote, unquote ball. She got on the. Like, they were scrubbing the bathroom. Cinderelli Cinderella cleaning the house. But then they got to go to a ball at night.

[Amy]

That's sweet.

[Jessica]

Cinderella Sundays. I'm gonna try that on my kids.

[Amy]

I'm gonna try that on myself. I hate cleaning. Okay. Mom told the kids she was allergic to loud noises. So when she was overstimulated, she would say she was having an allergic reaction.

[Jessica]

And then. You don't want your mom to have an allergic reaction. So quiet down. Another mom hid all of the stuffed animals and said they ran away because the bedroom was dirty. And then the animal sent a postcard from another kid's clean room. And then her kids, they clean their room, and the animals returned.

[Amy]

Okay, I have to say that is.

[Jessica]

That is next level thinking.

[Amy]

Yes. Also, that sounds like so much work, but it's probably not.

[Jessica]

But also, is some of this stuff where, like, they're gonna end up in your office, like, because you're a therapist.

[Amy]

As mom lied to me.

[Jessica]

When they're adults, they're gonna be like, well, one time, all my stuffed animals disappeared, and then I got a postcard that they were at this other kid's room because their room was clean. And then later, I found out my mom did that to me.

[Amy]

Wait, that's like, all my animals ran away from me. They don't want to be with me because I was dirty.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Wait, that could be sad, right?

[Jessica]

Or like, so what if someone came and sat in your office and they're like, we used to have Cinderella.

[Amy]

My mom made me dress up in rags.

[Jessica]

Like, we would have to clean the house all day.

[Amy]

No, I think these are fun and silly, and they're playful. They're play.

[Jessica]

Yes.

[Amy]

Speaking of they're playful.

[Jessica]

We tie in our.

[Amy]

Also, I heard one. This wasn't on this, but I heard a girl on Instagram talking about this. Chelsea explains it all. She gives, like, babysitter hacks and stuff like that and parenting hacks. Even though she's not a parent, she babysat when she was younger, and she said to get. When she babysat to get kids to put. To go to bed. You know, it's so hard always, like, you know, tell people that they can't understand the language of the tv. She would have them do a pajama Runway show. So she's like, okay, it's time for the pajama Runway show. Go put your pajamas on. And so then it would get the kids to get ready for bed. They put the pajamas on, and then she would have them walk down the hall and do their Runway, and then they would go to bed.

[Jessica]

Oh, I love that.

[Amy]

Yeah. I feel like that could backfire a little bit, but at least gets them in their pajamas.

[Jessica]

He's gonna be all hyped up, and they're ready for their fashion show.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

And then add music.

[Amy]

Yes.

[Jessica]

And they'd be like, I need to change again.

[Amy]

Yeah. My second look.

[Jessica]

Yeah. But then they've got to, like, brush their teeth. And I mean, I was A nightmare to care for as a child. Like, I never wanted to listen to the sitter. I never wanted to go to bed. Like, really, I was not easy.

[Amy]

You know, something that my mom did for my little brother, that helped him. This is a hack. I feel like this is not that creative. Maybe it is. When my little brother was in elementary school, he would have these. I don't know if they're nightmares or he. I think it was a nightmare. Like, I think he dreamt this. That there's alligators crawling all over his walls.

[Jessica]

Oh, no.

[Amy]

And so he wouldn't sleep in his bed. And he had a cool room. He had a race car bed. You know those kids.

[Jessica]

Oh yeah, it's legit.

[Amy]

I never got one of those.

[Jessica]

Or like, did you want one?

[Amy]

No. But the girls had like the little playhouse bed. I had like a little. Anyway, I'm not. I've moved on from it, clearly. Anyway, so. So he would sleep in my parents room every night. And they tried the charts, they tried all the sticker charts and stuff like that. But he just got so scared. So my mom made him alligator spray. And she brought him into the kitchen and she got him one of those like spray bottles you would use for your hair or use. We use them for our hair. And she put water in it. And then they would put. They put all these spices in the bottle.

[Jessica]

And my mom's like, this is kind of spices, though. Now I'm worried that his room's gonna smell like she.

[Amy]

It could have honestly had salt and pepper. I have no idea. He's like very garlicky.

[Jessica]

A little onion powder.

[Amy]

Honestly, she could have pretended to put them in. I don't remember that part. But she pretended to make a spray. And then before at night they would spray his room with alligator spray. And no alligators showed up.

[Jessica]

So cute. I love that idea.

[Amy]

I don't think that would send him to therapy.

[Jessica]

No, not at all.

[Amy]

Like my mom.

[Jessica]

It might be a little weird when he gets married and he's got his alligator spray and his girlfriend or his wife or whatever, she's like, like, what's going on? He's like, just, I gotta keep the.

[Amy]

Alligators away.

[Jessica]

If he like never grows out of it. But you know, it's like someone's security blanket.

[Amy]

Wait a second. I should check in with him and.

[Jessica]

See if he still has to spray. What if he never. He still does it, but he's like, shh, my wife doesn't know. And like every night he's like, this is little, like teeny. Yeah.

[Amy]

I wish that were true. Kind of.

[Jessica]

I mean, ask him. We need a follow up.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Jessica]

Like, we need to know.

[Amy]

I'll give you an update.

[Jessica]

And I feel bad that we robbed people of Jessica's note to us at the beginning because that is what I pulled for our email of the day. Remember when Jessica was asking about what Walker Hayes is saying? The umbrella?

[Amy]

Oh, yeah.

[Jessica]

That was our email of the day and we didn't set it up properly. But that's the email that I pulled. I just forgot to put it, as in bold, all cap letters with the highlight. Email of the day. So shout out, Jessica, thank you for sending in your email.

[Amy]

That's my line.

[Jessica]

Okay. Thank you for sending in your email of the day.

[Amy]

Yeah, you get so smiley when you do that.

[Jessica]

Yeah, because it's like my line.

[Amy]

Because it's our videography.

[Jessica]

Imaging.

[Amy]

Imaging.

[Jessica]

It's our imaging.

[Amy]

Imaging. I knew it was something that was wrong.

[Jessica]

Okay, Cat, where can people find us on Instagram?

[Amy]

At Feeling Things Podcast. And they can email us hey there. At Feeling Things podcast.com.

[Jessica]

And if you want to call us, you can call us. 877-207-2077. And you can also watch us on YouTube. Feeling Things podcast and don't forget to be playful. And also your code if you want to try the snail serum. Everything will be linked in the show notes, but the code is happy 25 feeling happy. We're very happy for 25 off. And I wish there was an easy way to just say biopel.com but I don't. I don't know if it's biopail.com radio Amy, that might get you there.

[Amy]

That's it.

[Jessica]

Oh, cool. But I mean, if you're already in the podcast, then you're in the show notes. You just go over. But if you're not familiar, like, you can go over and, like, show notes, like, things are linked and then boom, it's right there.

[Amy]

Boom.

[Jessica]

Boom. So easy, easy peasy lemon squeezy. Mm. All right. Have the day you need to have. Bye. This podcast is supported by Talkspace. When my husband came home from his military deployment, readjusting was hard for all of us. Thankfully, I found Talkspace. Talkspace provides professional support from licensed therapists and psychiatric providers online. Military members, veterans and their dependents, ages 13 and older can get fast access to providers, all from the privacy of their computers or smartphones. I just answered a few questions online, and Talkspace matched me with a therapist. We meet when it's convenient for me, and I can message her anytime. It was so easy to set up and they accept Tricare. Therapy was going so well. My husband and I started seeing a couple's therapist through Talkspace too. Talkspace works with most major insurers, including Tricare. Match with a licensed therapist [e-mail] military go to talkspace.com military to get started today. That's talkspace.com military I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast Betrayal. Police Lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone, most of all his wife, Caroline.

[Amy]

He texted, I've ruined our lives.

[Kat]

You're going to want to divorce me.

[Jessica]

How far would he go to cover up what he'd done?

[Amy]

The fact that you lied is absolutely horrific, and quite frankly, I question how many other women are out there that may bring forward allegations in the future.

[Jessica]

Listen to betrayal on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Why is a soap opera Western like Yellowstone so wildly successful? The American west with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network. So join me starting Tuesday, May 6, where we'll delve into stories of the west and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today. Listen to the American west with the.

[Amy]

Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You're listening to an iHeart podcast.