Bobby, Amy and Eddie Break Down “Maternal Instinct” on Netflix

Summary

The Bobby Bones Show: “Maternal Instinct” Netflix Spoiler Discussion

Date: July 1, 2026
Hosts: Amy, Mike, Gabe
Episode Theme:
A full-spoiler review and in-depth discussion of the Netflix true crime documentary “Maternal Instinct,” which explores the harrowing real-life story of deception, psychological manipulation, and murder centering around a woman who faked pregnancy and ultimately committed a shocking crime.

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1. Episode Overview

The team dives deep into the jaw-dropping details of “Maternal Instinct,” dissecting both the documentary's storytelling and the real-life psychological unraveling at its core. The hosts analyze the true story’s twists, the motivations and actions of the main characters, and the film's emotional impact.
Warning: Contains major spoilers about the real crime depicted in the documentary.

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2. Key Discussion Points and Insights

Spoiler Alert & Documentary Introduction

• Amy opens with repeated warnings: “This is a spoiler review of Maternal Instinct…we’re going to do spoilers right now.” (02:07)
• Doc is introduced via the Netflix thumbnail: body cam of a cop pulling a screaming woman over, hospital staff confused about the baby being “not her blood.”

The Main Case – Taylor’s Web of Lies

• Taylor, the central character, is from New Boston on the TX/OK border. Hosts clarify it’s Texas. (03:29)
• She presented herself as pregnant to her boyfriend Wade and many others, using a fake belly and social media to bolster the lie.
• Medical Exam:
  • A stark moment: “When [the doctor] walks out of the room and they have him on camera from body cam going, ‘no, I didn’t come to her vagina. That ain’t hers.’” – Amy (03:53)
  • “She definitely shows no signs of having a baby.” – Mike (03:58)

Relationship with Wade

• Hosts analyze how Wade didn’t discover the truth:
  • Amy: “You were sleeping next to a woman who was faking pregnant for months, and you never saw her naked or said, let me touch your stomach?” (05:02)
  • Discussion on pregnancy, intimacy avoidance, and excuses for distance in a relationship.
  • “He admitted they weren’t physically intimate... But you don’t have enough suspicion?” – Mike (05:33)
  • Social media videos with the fake belly, prosthetic that simulated baby “kicks.” (07:17)

Community Perception and Red Flags

• Taylor had had a public hysterectomy – massive logical inconsistency:
  • “How delusional do you have to be to…post online that you’re pregnant?” – Mike (07:40)
  • HIPAA prevented doctors from saying anything, but some friends reportedly knew.
• Motivation for Wade: speculation that he expected to benefit from Taylor’s supposed inheritance and “family money.” (11:15)
• “She was inheriting millions of dollars, which, honestly, I think that's what Wade wanted. Like Wade wanted his ranch.” – Mike (11:15)

Deceptive Tactics and Manipulation

• Taylor’s convincing lies:
  • Multiple phones and fake identities to text and impersonate people. “It fascinates me how they're able to keep up with five different characters, different cell phone numbers, different texts…” – Mike (10:34)
  • Fake jobs, impersonating coworkers, and using voice changers.
• Use of fake documentation and products:
  • Bought prosthetic bellies online, ordered fake sonograms.
  • “She had bought a fake stomach online.” – Amy (07:18)
  • “She got a fake belly. She got a fake sonogram.” – Amy (22:52)
  • Websites marketing fake sonograms as “pranks,” but “most people probably are buying them and lying about it” – Amy (20:32)

The Crime

• Lead-up: Taylor’s friendship with her victim, Reagan.
• The shocking act: Taylor killed Reagan, performed a crude C-section to steal her baby, and attempted to pass the infant as her own.
  • “She goes into her house, cuts her stomach open, cuts the baby out, umbilical cord and all, and takes off toward the hospital…” – Amy (26:53)
  • “She Googled how to do a C-section.” – Gabe (28:24)
• Analysis of her mindset: obsession with immediate gratification and lack of long-term planning.
  • “Everything she was doing was for the instant gratification of what she needed right in that moment.” – Amy (31:38)

Capture, Investigation, and Motive

• Taylor was pulled over while en route to the hospital. The hosts analyze conflicting details as to how police and hospital staff unraveled the truth. (30:52–34:13)
• Nurse and police reactions, hospital choice (avoidance of her previous caregivers who knew of her hysterectomy).
• Subsequent lies: Taylor attempted to blame her crime on a gang, suggested she was coerced, and created stories even in prison.
  • “Now in prison, she’s pitched herself as an in-house crime consultant…She also has now said that she was kidnapped by some gangster.” – Mike (40:06)
• Long pattern of deception: Taylor previously faked illnesses (including cancer), even fake pregnancies. (41:08)

Psychological Analysis & Emotional Aftermath

• Hosts debate whether Taylor is evil or simply “off,” highlighting her presumed “clinical insanity.”
  • “I was surprised she didn’t get insanity.” – Amy (42:16)
• Discussion of the term “pathological liar” vs. someone who commits murder to maintain a lie. (42:28)
• Reflection on supporting characters, especially Wade, who remains a subject of sympathy and bewilderment:
  • “And I feel for him. And I'm like, that feels weird because I understand why I feel for the other people. I don't quite know why I feel for Wade.” – Mike (49:02)

Documentary’s Style & Impact

• Hosts praise the misdirection and storytelling:
  • Genuine shock at the murder, expecting only kidnapping.
  • “It was a really well put together documentary because I never pointed and go, I bet this is it.” – Amy (45:10)
  • “That’s the craziest thing I’ve ever seen.” – Gabe (45:31)

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3. Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On the deception:
  “She was so used to lying her whole life…They're crazy but brilliant.” – Mike (10:10)
• On Wade’s obliviousness:
  “He admitted they weren’t physically intimate…But you don’t have enough suspicion?” – Mike (05:33)
• On psychological depth:
  “That's not evil for the sake of gaining something. You're brain is hurt. You're off, you're off.” – Amy (41:59)
• On the victim’s family:
  “I think what you probably do in that situation is go, if I don’t tell the version of the story that I have, it’s never going to be told. And that’s why you do it. Not for any sort of …tv.” – Amy (44:05)
• On hiring strangers:
  “I can’t even hire a photographer…because of what happened.” – Amy (49:20)

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4. Important Segment Timestamps

• [02:07] - Opening spoiler warning and “Maternal Instinct” documentary intro.
• [03:39] - First breakdown of Taylor’s deception and medical investigation.
• [07:15] - Discussion of Taylor’s fake pregnancy despite public hysterectomy.
• [10:34] - Taylor’s use of multiple phones and fake identities.
• [12:19] - Surprise at neglecting her existing children.
• [18:29] - Use of fake sonograms and how to obtain them online.
• [22:52] - Recap: fake belly, fake sonogram, Wade’s motivations.
• [26:53] - The true crime: Taylor murders Reagan, steals her baby.
• [28:24] - Discovery that Taylor Googled how to perform a C-section.
• [41:01] - Taylor’s elaborate post-crime lies from prison.
• [42:16] - Discussion of legal insanity.
• [45:10] - Hosts praise the unpredictability of the documentary.

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5. Final Thoughts and Ratings

• Overall ratings:
  • “Four and a half out of five…Great job by the filmmakers.” – Amy (50:09)
  • “Great job, F her.” – Gabe (50:14)
• The hosts are left feeling disturbed by the story, expressing sympathy for the victims and surprise at not having heard about it sooner.
• “It was a very compelling…entertaining…but I just felt weird after it.” – Amy (47:21)

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6. Reflection and Broader Impact

• Amy and the team express how the documentary changes their perspective on trust, relationships, and hiring strangers.
• Discussion concludes with realization that true crime can upend comfort and force viewers to question the world around them.

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For listeners:
If you haven’t seen “Maternal Instinct,” this episode has fully unpacked the details, themes, and emotional resonance of the documentary. The hosts provide thoughtful, at times lighthearted, but mostly empathetic commentary on an exceptionally disturbing true crime story.

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Transcript

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[Amy]

Okay, this is a spoiler review of Maternal Instinct. We said we were going to do this podcast. This is full of spoilers. I'm just saying this over and over again in case you stumbled upon this podcast because it automatically rolled into it and you haven't seen Maternal Instinct on Netflix. This is your chance to go away right now because we're going to do spoilers right now.

[Mike]

Right now. Spoilers.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Mike]

It's good.

[Amy]

Do you do spoiler podcasts on movie?

[Mike]

Yeah, and I Just put real big in the title so people know.

[Amy]

So this show on Netflix, how it was introduced to me was when I was flipping through, it was a thumbnail. There was a body cam from a cop pulling a woman over. She was screaming because she had a baby in her lap. And then it cuts to the hospital and they're weirded out because they go, that's not her baby. That's not her blood. Boom, boom. That's it. Amy brings it to the show and says, you gotta watch it. So we watched it. Did you do all the reading after about it too?

[Mike]

Yeah, some.

[Amy]

Yeah, me too. So it feels weird to talk about something so openly because we never do shows like this.

[Gabe]

You all did more research after you watched it?

[Mike]

Yeah. Well, it's such a fascinating story.

[Gabe]

Well, this is good for me then, because I didn't. So I want to hear what you guys.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Amy]

So it's so effed up because there's this woman who is from Texas or Oklahoma, New Boston. It's the. It's the border. So it's constantly in both. Which one is it?

[Gabe]

I think it's Texas.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Okay. So she has this baby. They go to the doctor. They bring in that old doctor, the older guy, to. To look and see if she has.

[Mike]

Examine her.

[Amy]

And when he walks out of the room and they have him on camera from body cam going, no, I didn't come to her vagina. That ain't hers.

[Mike]

Yeah.

He's like, she definitely shows no signs of having a baby.

[Amy]

How about him having to go down and check?

[Gabe]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And just seeing nothing came out of her and going, well, this is weird.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Gabe]

And that was. That took a while to get the examination because she was just. Remember the first call was, she does not want to get the examination.

[Mike]

Right.

[Amy]

So. And we'll go through the show kind of in order. They're talking with this dude who is her ex boyfriend. Did they ever get married?

[Mike]

Wade? No.

[Amy]

And you could tell Wade they were.

[Gabe]

They never got married. They were engaged.

[Amy]

I don't know if they were married.

[Mike]

I don't know that they got married yet, because then she got pregnant. Did they get me? No. Did they get me?

[Amy]

Did you watch it?

[Mike]

Oh, I watched it. Yeah.

[Amy]

They get married, her and Wade?

[Mike]

I don't think so. Yeah, no. This would have been way more tangled. I think he's lucky they weren't married because he could just like, you know.

[Gabe]

Okay, good point.

[Amy]

As soon as Wade showed up on screen, sitting in his house, and he's got a cowboy hat on inside, black One. And he's got a jacket. You know, he went through, like, 10 jackets to find that one.

[Mike]

And he's like, is it hot in here?

[Ashley Akonetti]

Yeah, dude.

[Amy]

You're wearing three layers in a cowboy hat.

[Mike]

But also, I think he was just so nervous. He's about to publicly show kind of what a idiot he is. Which I. You know, I hate saying that. Poor Wade. But also not poor Wade, because you. You were sleeping next to a woman who was faking pregnant for months, and you never saw her naked or never said, let me touch your stomach.

[Amy]

I didn't think about to see your naked part anything.

[Gabe]

They weren't doing anything because it was a fake stomach.

[Mike]

I get.

[Amy]

Well, you could have sex and the lights be off.

[Ashley Akonetti]

Sure.

[Mike]

But.

[Gabe]

But you're on a prosthetic.

[Mike]

They. They weren't. They. He admitted they weren't physically intimate. They weren't anything. But you don't have enough suspicion in your mind to where you're like, huh, all right, that's it. I'm gonna walk in on her peeing, showering.

[Amy]

I don't do that even now, but.

[Mike]

Or roll over in the bed and be like, I hear you.

[Gabe]

You're right.

[Amy]

You know why I thought the no sexting or maybe the sex thing was happening. There are stories of people who faked being a sex. Like, if it's a dude and they're faking as a woman.

[Mike]

Wait, what?

[Amy]

And they're having sex with the person, but they're always just doing mouth stuff or what? And so the person never actually thinks anything about it. So there are ways to hide that, because the lights are off. So I didn't think about that because I thought maybe she was just doing other stuff to him. And also, when you're pregnant, you just don't want to do that.

[Gabe]

Yeah.

[Amy]

For a lot of the pregnancy.

[Gabe]

I mean, he even told his buddy that they hadn't done it in how.

[Mike]

Four months.

Months.

[Amy]

But that, to me, didn't feel crazy. If she's pregnant and feeling sick and

[Mike]

not feeling good, I get that's why.

[Amy]

To me, that never stuck out when you're saying that it does. But that's why to me, if she's pregnant, I never thought much about it because everybody's pregnancy affects them differently. Sometimes you just. You don't want to do anything.

[Mike]

Right.

[Amy]

You can be so sick. My wife was so sick for months that there's no way.

[Mike]

But I guarantee you, there's a time, even in those months, even when she's sick, where, like, you're married, you walk around your house. Like you.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

If you have a sports. Like, you don't have to be fully naked, but you know, she has a real belly.

[Amy]

I hear you on that part. I just didn't think anything about the sex part because I thought he would just think, well, she doesn't. Pregnant. That's an easy excuse.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Gabe]

You know what I thought is feeling the stomach. Like, he never felt the stomach.

[Amy]

No, like, well, but she had a

[Mike]

thing where it would kick.

[Amy]

There was a video that she showed because she was doing all the social media of her going, look how pregnant I am. Which, by the way, she had bought a fake stomach online. Yes.

[Mike]

Okay. But also, can we back up to. To the part where this woman. There's this girl. Taylor, right, Taylor.

[Gabe]

Taylor.

[Mike]

She had a full hysterectomy.

[Amy]

Prior.

[Mike]

Prior. So she's publicly putting online, like, how delusional do you have to be to know that there are doctors, nurses, and friends in your town, in your town that know you have a hysterectomy and you have the audacity to post online that you're pregnant?

[Amy]

The doctors were in though, and they were saying, we knew she wasn't pregnant. They have hipaa, but they can't say anything. But did she disclose to her friends that she had had a hysterectomy?

[Mike]

Yes, but there I think that at that point they just wanted nothing to do with her. So. Or at least this is. The story I told myself is like, if I'm a friend that knew, it's like, do I really want to stir this pot? Like, she's crazy. I finally have her out of my life. I want to keep her out of my life because she had a friend that was pregnant. Like, and this friend is in the documentary. And she started acting really weird towards that pregnant friend. And that's where the friend was like, red flags, red flags. Like, I don't want anything to do with you. So later she pops up online. You already got her out of your life. She's pretending to be pregnant. You probably are just like, whatever.

[Amy]

I didn't think much about her having the hysterectomy and her friends knowing because in my mind, I guess I assumed that she didn't share that with everybody because the doctors were ongoing. We knew, but we couldn't say anything. And maybe the other people did, but they never put that in the documentary. Those people that knew her, they were never saying, yeah, we knew she had a hysterectomy. They were just.

[Mike]

I thought the best friend did.

[Gabe]

Just one friend. Yeah, one Friend that she didn't talk to.

[Mike]

But even that one friend, there's another friend in the friend group. And, you know, probably in their close circle. They probably are like, God, this is crazy. She has a hysterectomy.

[Gabe]

But they know her already as.

[Mike]

But it's not. It's not a. It wasn't a big, obviously widely known story or her situation until

[Reese Witherspoon]

later, till

[Mike]

the crime was committed. So no crime had been committed. So probably in the small town, they gossiped like, there's no way she's really pregnant. But it's like, doesn't that get back

[Amy]

to Wade, the social media of her having that belly and it kicking?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And she posted, oh, look at it kick. And it's doing that. Is that some sort of belly with a motor in it?

[Mike]

I think so.

[Amy]

Like, they even do that with those fake bellies.

[Gabe]

Yeah, but. And what would that be used for other than this scenario? A movie.

[Amy]

Oh, yeah, Probably.

[Gabe]

Like just a movie prop.

[Mike]

Probably.

[Amy]

Or a joke costume. Yeah, Weird joke. Like a. Yeah. Costume for a movie or play or a.

[Gabe]

Like a. Cuz it was almost like watching a magic trick. I was like, how is she doing that?

[Amy]

She's like, look at it. It's kicking.

[Mike]

She was so used to lying her whole life about so many things that. You know, the. The. The part that got me, too, about Wade is like, how she had these people who have multiple phones or they're texting people as multiple characters in the story and how they keep up with it because there's other stories, not just her, where they.

[Ashley Akonetti]

People.

[Mike]

It fascinates me how they're able to keep up with five different characters, different cell phone numbers, different texts, and they even text while you're with the person. And they would never think that it's you, and you're. You have all these identities. Like, how do they keep it all straight? It's almost like they're crazy but brilliant.

[Amy]

I was thinking about that, and I wondered how I would do it. And I figured that by all the phones, I would just look at what I had said before and remind myself what character I was then. Because every phone was different.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Amy]

If I had to do it from one phone and go to different accounts, you know, people get caught on burner accounts. Yeah. Because they don't switch back over to their real account. I'd probably fall that way.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Amy]

But, yeah, you're right. She had all these identities that she was faking.

[Martha]

Her mom.

[Mike]

She was inheriting millions of dollars, which, honestly, I think that's what Wade wanted. Like Wade wanted his ranch.

[Gabe]

Like, Ray Wade was spending money.

[Mike]

Wade was like, okay, I'm gonna get a new truck. But then what about the time where she bought Wade's mom a car and dropped it off and was literally like, I bought you a car on Facebook. However. What? Like a week later or however long Wade's mom is, like, yeah, they showed up, and we're like, this car hasn't been paid for. Like, how do you think you're gonna get? Like, why? What?

[Amy]

I think it's all, you want it instant. You don't think about what's going to happen in the future. Otherwise, you wouldn't really do any of this.

[Gabe]

You're right. You're right.

[Mike]

Because it's fantasy.

[Gabe]

Because when you get to that point where you're like, oh, my gosh, now I have to keep this up, you go to these measures of, like, I have to do anything I can to make this somewhat not be a lie.

[Amy]

Well, they didn't talk about a lot. And the thing that Caitlin and I kept talking about was. And they brought her up a little bit, but she had already had kids. A kid.

[Mike]

They were at the gender reveal, walking

[Amy]

out with the donkey or the pony or whatever with a red bow on its neck. But they didn't really focus on that. Wade had said in one of those interviews, yeah, and she'd had kids before. So I believed her. When she was talking about what we needed because she was pregnant. I was like, wait, she already has kids and she's doing all this and she already had. Like, why are they not being taken care of? And so then I wonder, like, who has her kids?

[Gabe]

Did they not say who has her kids?

[Amy]

I don't think it was.

[Mike]

They were. Obviously, she had them at. She had split custody at some point

[Gabe]

because her real mom eventually came out. Right? Or my making that up.

[Mike]

Yeah, she did. And I think she confirmed, like, none of that because she pinned a lot of things on her mom, and her mom was like, no, that's not me.

[Amy]

Because her.

[Mike]

Didn't her mom have her kids?

[Gabe]

That's what I'm thinking.

[Mike]

She was worried about if she said something about what she was doing that she would unleash, like, havoc on her, get the kids taken away from.

[Gabe]

That's it.

[Amy]

That's good leverage. Like, that's psychotic.

[Gabe]

Yep.

[Amy]

Strong leverage.

[Mike]

So.

[Amy]

So, okay, she. They go backward first. So at the very beginning of the show, they're like, oh, the baby. They go to the hospital doctor. Like, there's nothing came out of that vagina. And so then they start to talk to folks and friends and she's pregnant. Yeah. I couldn't. It was one of those. I couldn't predict it. As I was going. I had a couple ideas, but so it's rolling through and you're starting to see. And then you're starting to pin. I pin it on everybody. At one point during the show, I thought everybody did something.

[Gabe]

See, that to me, is a good documentary when you start thinking that anyone can do something.

[Amy]

And then she wants to be a photographer, and so she just creates her own little photography company. But you know what was interesting? They had that other boss of hers in. She was sitting behind her desk, I forget what. Kind of like a staffing company or something. And she had came and only worked there for a bit. But then in her time there, she started impersonating that boss.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Amy]

Like using her.

[Mike]

But she seemed like she really liked her. Like everyone. Coworker. Yeah. They're like. Yeah. I mean, they would. I guess she had lost a child. They bonded over something. So then she felt like this connection to her. And. Yeah. After she got fired and she left, they were going through stuff. She's like, wait a second, you were impersonating me.

[Amy]

So that's happening. You're starting to see a lot of the. You're starting to see a lot of people start to dislike her. Slowly they're unraveling.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Amy]

How people started to distrust.

[Gabe]

Because when they introduced characters, everyone's like, we loved her.

[Amy]

Life of the party.

[Gabe]

She was the best.

[Amy]

She was pretty. She. And then they hit you with. Well, when she was younger, she was extremely overweight and she had the sleeve, I believe is what it was.

[Mike]

The gastric.

[Gabe]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So you started to see. Okay, now she's dealing with something emotionally where she doesn't want to be whatever version she was. And now she's starting to do anything and everything she possibly can do to not be what she wasn't proud of, which was what she was. And so they would talk about how pretty she was and her Instagram and how fun she was. But everybody started to get a little sour on her. Her friends that we're talking about her nicely beginning documentary. Not so nice. And Wade. Good guy, by the way.

[Gabe]

Good guy.

[Amy]

Maybe not the smartest.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Amy]

But good guy. He's just.

[Mike]

From what we can tell, he's just a simple dude. Yeah.

[Amy]

Wanted a ranch. Have. There's questions about the ranch. While they were faking all the money that. That she was getting from her grandparents.

[Gabe]

Yeah. Oil. Oil money.

[Amy]

Then when they were buying the Ranch. He was like, are there. How about the real hogs on it?

[Mike]

You know, the real estate people that were selling the ranch, they're like, yeah. They would always get contacted after business hours and, like, all these weird things.

[Amy]

Voice. A voice changer. To be your uncle. Like her Uncle Tuxi or what?

[Mike]

I don't even know what his name was or something.

[Gabe]

That's crazy.

[Amy]

And so obviously they didn't have the money. They faked the money for it. They. She faked the money for everything, dude.

[Gabe]

But they spent. Yeah, they spent a lot of money. He was buying, you know, what do they call side by sides and, I mean, new trucks.

[Amy]

It was all the family money they were getting.

[Gabe]

Gosh, that's crazy.

[Amy]

That Christmas video that somebody took, because she was, like, holding court with all the family around her, and she's like, this is where we're moving. We're buying this ranch. Like that. That was her drug right there.

[Mike]

Yeah. And there was this one guy in that scene. I don't know, maybe a cousin. Did y' all notice him? He's sitting on the couch, and he's sort of like, oh, rolling his eyes, like, what? Okay. We're listening to the story about Pecan bend for 30 minutes, and everyone's like.

[Amy]

Like, we're changing the name from Pecan Point to Pecan Bend.

[Mike]

Yeah. So I think he was just like, yeah, okay, we're happy for y'.

[Matt Altmix]

All.

[Mike]

But it's like, okay, let's move on. You could tell he either was just annoyed or he knew, like, something just doesn't seem right.

[Amy]

So you may have helped me with the timeline here. She had started her own photography business, but when they called that photographer who did Western photography, when they did those pictures, did that inspire her to do more photography and that's how it went, or did she already go and do the photography at that wedding for that one girl?

[Mike]

I think she'd already done the.

Yeah, that was photography.

[Amy]

So then why did she called. How did the other girl get involved in the other photograph? Because she spent time with them.

[Mike]

Yeah. I think because she wanted her own

[Gabe]

pictures taken, and the other photographer was saying that something was weird about that.

[Amy]

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. Like, how did that real photographer get in the documentary just because she spent time with them?

[Gabe]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Something was wrong.

[Gabe]

And she noticed something during the photo session of. Just, like, it's. It's just weird. Like.

[Mike]

But she also went home and told her husband, like, how cool they were.

[Gabe]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I don't think she noticed it.

I Think that it was just part of like, for me, I took that as painting more of the picture of like just how far she was going to take this pregnancy thing. Doing a full blown maternity shoot on horses and like, okay, got this big belly, like her belly in the maternity. Maternity pictures. Like that was that prosthetic. Like, it looked. She was very pregnant at that point.

[Amy]

How crazy. When they go to the Internet shot of her looking to find a sonogram and the different sonograms to buy off the Internet.

[Gabe]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And search and the websites are funny. Prank. That's why you buy those. And it was all those sonograms that you could.

[Mike]

Which that's where a lot of people are making the connection. Which all aren't listening to. But Love Trapped is the other podcast that involves faking a pregnancy and sonograms. And it's kind of crazy. What. What women or men will. The links they will go to make something convincing like altering using. Like what. What's the. That where you can hire assistants. Like Fiverr. Have you ever heard of Fiverr? Okay. It's. It's where you can just get an assistant to do anything for you. You need photoshopping, you need documents drawn.

[Amy]

Real assistance. Or is this some sort of prank?

[Mike]

No, they're like legit. They're like giving you a hand. Like a high five, I think like Fiverr, like, no problem.

[Amy]

That's gonna help you.

[Mike]

It's a real. Yes. A real person.

[Amy]

Like right now I'm like, what?

[Mike]

That is going to help you? And I'm like thinking like, you get a Fiverr notification in your email from someone that's like, hey, can you doctor this ultrasound for me? Yeah.

[Gabe]

You start questioning.

[Amy]

Is that what they did?

[Mike]

What? Yeah, that's. It's one of the things that.

[Amy]

Because I knew she ordered from that website.

[Mike]

Well, I mean, I don't know if it's what she did, but it's a thing where if you don't know how to Photoshop it yourself, like they're outsourcing it.

[Gabe]

I thought she used an older one, like from her.

[Mike]

Maybe her other baby.

[Gabe]

Her other babies. Because the date, the day.

[Amy]

But then she went. Didn't she go to a website where they showed you all the fake sonograms you could buy? And it's like play a prank. And. And you could buy all from different. Yeah.

[Gabe]

Different stages of the. Of the. Yeah.

[Amy]

Because she. Because she got caught with the wrong date on one of them.

[Gabe]

Correct.

[Amy]

Which may have been her old one. But I just remember seeing that website that brought up of all the fake sonograms thinking the person that built this site knows that 60 to 70% of these aren't being used for pranks.

[Mike]

Right. Right.

[Amy]

But that's how they can actually you

[Mike]

have to market it.

[Amy]

Market it as a prank site.

[Gabe]

But.

[Amy]

But a lot of people, most people probably are buying them and lying about it.

[Gabe]

That's crazy.

[Amy]

And doing scam type situations.

[Mike]

To your point. Now I get that maybe the if you get a fiverr notification to alter that they could position like I'm trying to prank my family and then you're like oh, okay.

Fun.

Hehe. Ha ha ha.

[Amy]

The Bobby cast.

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[Amy]

And we're back on the bobbycast. So she got a fake belly. She got a fake sonogram. Wade believes they're having a kid. Wade does not love her. Wade is like. He never told her he loved her.

[Gabe]

No.

[Amy]

Their whole time.

[Mike]

No. But he loves the.

[Amy]

He loves the money and he loves that she's getting all that family money.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And she's now. She's now doing photography. And she goes. And she does photography at this wedding of this woman. Girl hires her. And they were talking about just, you know, how magnetic she was. What was her name, the main girl?

[Gabe]

Taylor. Taylor.

[Mike]

Taylor's the main.

[Amy]

How magnetic Taylor was as a person. Because the people at the wedding were saying, yeah, Taylor was in a lot of our selfies. Like, she was like, just part of the group we hired as a photographer, but she was just part of the group. And so that happens. They talk about it and then they go away from it. Because then after that, it's that other photo, the real photographer, and they're talking about things. And then one of the neighbors sees Taylor out, and she's kind of skinny, and she says she didn't even look pregnant to be nine months. But then she went 10 months pregnant. Then she got like 10 and a half months pregnant. The baby was never having the baby.

[Gabe]

Yes. Which is unheard of.

[Amy]

She said she was just. Didn't look pregnant. So maybe she just crapped out on wearing the belly.

[Mike]

Oh, she hadn't ordered it yet.

[Gabe]

Oh, she hadn't.

[Amy]

I don't think at some point she had a big belly, though.

[Gabe]

I felt like she just slipped.

[Amy]

I feel like she just took it off.

[Mike]

She took it off that day. Oh.

[Amy]

Because in the maternity shoot, she had one on. So it's 10. She's 10 and a half months pregnant. She has no baby. She does not look pregnant anymore.

[Gabe]

So is that when the parents started thinking and the aunt and all the family members of Wade. Wade's family members were like, hey, man. Like, something's not right. Because at one point they come out and be like, dude, you've gotta. You gotta understand, this isn't fake. She's not really pregnant. And he didn't believe it.

[Amy]

The feels about that time when they started talking about that. The camouflage guy.

[Gabe]

The camouflage guy. And then I believe his mom or somebody in there.

[Mike]

Speaking of that friend, I'm glad Wade has him for sure, you know, because he Sort of backed away. He did the right thing. He set a boundary. Like, hey, I'm out. Like, if you're. This is going to be your life. I can't be part of it. But then once everything went down and so many people were likely turning their back on Wade and the family because, like, oh, yeah, this is crazy. That friend showed back up. I was like, that's a good friend. He's like, you know, took him in. Talked about how you embraced him because, yeah, your heart breaks for people going through that. People.

[Amy]

She sends a text to Wade to say, hey, go meet this guy. Oh, gosh. Three hours away.

[Mike]

Yeah. She needed Wade gone and busy.

[Amy]

Yes. From one of our other phones. Hey, we got. We got the dogs. Go get the hogs. So Wade's got his trailer driving up to Oklahoma, I think, to get these hogs. Drives all. Because she's like, I'm going to the hospital because I think I'm gonna have the baby. And Wade's like, I'll go. She goes, no, you need to get

[Mike]

the hogs first, because too much money.

Yeah.

[Amy]

Yeah. You're gonna pass up. Yeah.

[Gabe]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And so Wade's up, and Wade meets the guy, and the guy's like, I didn't text you.

[Gabe]

Yeah, I didn't. That's not me.

[Amy]

That's not me. He's like, wait, what. What about this number? That ain't me. And I think that then Wade already knew she was nuts.

[Mike]

Right.

[Amy]

He had to know a little bit.

[Mike]

Yeah. I think that there's some denial when you've invested that much into somebody and you're in a relationship. Like, all the signs can be there, but you've got this veil over you, and you can't. Like, part of you probably wants to see it, but you're in denial because you're like, no, no, no, this can't be true, because then what would that say about me? So you don't want it to be true.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So I think he was in denial.

[Amy]

So they.

[Mike]

The veil was lifted.

[Amy]

They show. They show away.

[Gabe]

Go.

[Ashley Akonetti]

Ah.

[Amy]

I guess that's kind of what I knew. So he's driving back, and in this time,

[Matt Altmix]

crazy.

[Amy]

The. The woman that was getting married, that she was the photographer for, she goes into. Breaks into her house, Goes into her house, cuts her stomach open, cuts the baby out, umbilical cord and all, and takes off toward the hospital with the baby to then act like she had the baby in the car. The. The girl died.

[Mike]

Mm.

[Amy]

And her sister is being interviewed the whole time from the wedding.

[Gabe]

Her Little sister.

[Amy]

Yeah. The dark shirt. She had a black shirt on. Right. I never connected the two. I just thought she was someone who was adding texture the whole time, and I think that's probably what they assume most people would do.

[Mike]

No, but. So Taylor had also gone over there, like, the night before?

[Gabe]

Yes. She was there the night before to

[Mike]

hang out and probably, like, assess the situation. What was she gonna. She knew she was gonna come back the next day and take. Cut the baby out, but she went and hung out with him the night before just like, they're all friends and nobody was the wiser. Like, she wasn't acting weird. I don't think anybody was suspicious of anything.

[Amy]

You wouldn't be?

[Gabe]

No, she's just Taylor.

[Mike]

Well, yeah, but if you. I'm thinking the girl that was in

[Amy]

the selfies at the wedding.

[Gabe]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Right. Right. I guess if I know I'm committing that kind of crime the following morning, I'm not acting normal. Like, I'm showing up to hang out to assess, and I'm going to be. There's going to be signs.

[Amy]

Yeah, but that's because you're rational and you're worried about stuff. Irrational people don't worry about things rational people worry about.

[Mike]

Right, so that's the where can't. Psychopath.

[Gabe]

She had Googled how to do a C section, Right?

[Mike]

Yeah, but there was. And, you know, there was a struggle. I saw, like. I don't know if this is something I saw in the documentary or read after, but that. Like, what? I can't think of her name right now. Reagan.

[Amy]

Yeah, I think that's it.

[Gabe]

The victim.

[Mike]

Yes, she to be. You think you're letting in a friend so you don't have your guard up, and then suddenly your friend starts attacking you, and she put up a fight.

[Amy]

And were you guys shocked by the blood in the picture they showed?

[Gabe]

Yes.

[Mike]

Yes. But Taylor was having to use, like. Yes, she had the knife, but. So she had to use, like, a gender reveal jar or something from a baby shower and, like, knocked her with that jar. And I don't know. Like, I think the scene probably was really chaotic. And then she had to get her to a point where she could keep her still enough. Like, injure her enough to. Where she could keep her still enough to cut the stomach or.

[Amy]

Could you not kill her? And then the baby's not gonna die.

[Mike]

Right.

See, but I wondered. Was her plant. I guess she had to kill her.

[Amy]

You have to kill her.

[Mike]

Okay. So I was thinking, was there a way to do it?

[Amy]

But there's Not a great plan because she's going to die. She still left her there, so everyone was going to know.

[Mike]

That's right. You're right. I wasn't sorry. I don't. I don't think like a murderer like that.

[Gabe]

And that's good. I'm like, we're glad you told.

[Mike]

Like, why couldn't she just have cut the baby out and then spared? I don't think you can do that

[Gabe]

on a kitchen floor without blood loss.

[Amy]

Just the blood loss.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Gabe]

She's gonna die regardless.

[Mike]

I know.

[Amy]

She. The. She gets murdered by the woman that she hired to take pictures at her wedding.

[Gabe]

Okay. So then she takes the baby.

[Mike]

Well, but the reason why it's not like she became the photographer of that wedding to end up doing this. It's because she was desperate and had to come up with a plan. And she started thinking, who in my life do I know or who can I come upon that has a baby where I can commit this act? And it just so happened to be that, like, it wasn't, like, part of a big master. Well thought out. It was a very. I'm pretty sure they even show her it's a computer, like, on Facebook, like, trying to be like, who's pregnant? That I know right now because I gotta get a baby.

[Amy]

The baby died.

[Gabe]

So what was the play here? Like, to. She knew the baby was gonna die or didn't think the baby would die? I didn't think.

[Mike]

I didn't think she cared.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

As long as she had a baby.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Gabe]

So then I don't know if they addressed this, but did she call the cops? Does she get pulled over?

[Amy]

Pulled over.

[Mike]

Right.

[Amy]

But did she call and say, I

[Mike]

don't know which came first? I couldn't tell. I don't know if y' all could clarify, but I know she was on the phone with 911 saying, I had a baby. Then I don't know if because of that, cops then were like, oh, we're on this highway. Or they saw her driving erratically. Because I know when they pulled her over, she was already on the phone with 91 1.

[Gabe]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So I don't know which came first. Was she already on 911 driving erratically? And then also the police are like, oh. Or did the police start to pull her over and she's like, oh, I better call 911 to make this look more legit.

She called 911 right as she was getting pulled over?

Okay. That's the answer. So she was driving erratically. They pulled her over. See she's always thinking.

[Amy]

She's always thinking, but she's only thinking about right now, current, because if you murder somebody and steal their baby, eventually you're going to jail. Like, there's no long term. Everything she was doing was for the instant gratification of what she needed right in that moment. And that's through the history of this whole show.

[Mike]

Right?

[Gabe]

You're right. She's not thinking about the future.

[Mike]

You're in survival mode. She's thinking, like, okay, what's my next play? But that's like, she's so delusional, but also thinking because, like, I would be like, okay, I'm getting pulled over, and I would just be like, I just delivered this baby. But she's like, well, I better get on 911, because it's gonna be more believable.

[Gabe]

And every lie was covered by a new lie to. To, you know, stack on top of one another.

[Mike]

And I don't know if this is the case, but which hospital did she get the hysterectomy at? Is that why she was so insistent on going to a particular hospital? Because she knew she couldn't go to the hospital where she had the hysterectomy? Because I.

[Ashley Akonetti]

She was.

[Mike]

She was definitely saying, I need to be taken to this hospital. I need to go to this hospital,

[Gabe]

which is a little further away. Right.

[Mike]

But it's. But it had to be, because other people at the other hospital knew, like, they wouldn't even need to do an exam. They'd be like, here's her records.

[Gabe]

And then she knows, right, that, like, once she gets to the hospital, it's gonna end.

[Amy]

But that's the thing. She's never thinking about what happens when it's always right now, how do I make it out of this situation?

[Mike]

I mean, she had the placenta with her, too.

[Amy]

It's very much a survival mentality always. So it's never three steps from now what's gonna happen. It's how do I get out of this right this second, I'll deal with

[Gabe]

the next one later, right?

[Mike]

And I don't think she's thinking. I think once they cop started to really realize, oh, we have a situation is because they got a call about the murder and a woman whose baby was removed from her, and they're like, well, wait a second, we gotta call her hospital.

[Amy]

The cop was weird when he pulled

[Mike]

her over with a baby, and there was just a murder with a baby taken. They're like, oh. And then you see the documentary shows the nurse's footage they're like, this is not good.

[Amy]

I didn't think about the cop, though. Cause if the cop already knew there was a murder when he pulled her

[Mike]

over, well, I don't know that he knew at that point.

[Gabe]

Not that cop.

[Mike]

Not that cop.

[Amy]

Okay, but that cop was not, mister, I'm going in to help you.

[Gabe]

He was.

[Amy]

No, not really. He was like, I can't do anything. We have to call an ambulance.

[Gabe]

Yeah, because he knew the baby was dead.

[Amy]

Okay, but all our. Tell me something good we do on our show. The cops, like, in their knuckles, deep, getting the baby out, doing something with the baby, like trying to save a baby. The cop. That cop was not like that when he pulled her over.

[Gabe]

Good point.

[Amy]

And I thought that was weird, because then you see the ambulance come up. Because the cops like, ma', am, I can't help you. We're gonna have to get an ambulance here. I believe that's what he said.

[Gabe]

It seemed like the demeanor of the scene, they were acting as if they believed her. I didn't get the impression that they were just like, oh, she might be lying. Let's just.

[Amy]

I got the impression that the cop was not jumping in, to which I feel most would, because they are trained for emergency medical. This cop was not like that at all. And I thought it was weird at first. I thought, that's not a good cop. Yeah, that was my thought when he first said that. But there had to have been something known. And again, sometimes these documentaries don't want you to know, so they purposely will leave that out. Mike, what do you think about that?

[Mike]

Yeah, he did seem kind of weird.

[Amy]

Like, cold almost.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Like, I'm not gonna do anything. We gotta call an ambulance. And they're medically trained police officers are.

[Gabe]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So that was probably the first. Looking back, we'd probably go, oh, I think that's the first clue that it's crazier than we think.

[Gabe]

But then when she got to the hot. When the detectives got to the hospital or the police department got to the hospital, the nurses met the. The police outside and said, yeah, she just doesn't want to get examined. And he was like, okay, that's interesting. And then he walks in.

[Amy]

That all does. Yep, that's true.

[Gabe]

So I don't know if they'd connected it. The murder, with her being there immediately. I think once they were interviewing her, they got word like, there's a murder.

[Amy]

If you watch it back, though, you'll be taken aback. And how that cop was not helpful.

[Gabe]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Gabe]

Oh, I don't Know if I want to watch that back?

[Mike]

I don't. Yeah, I'm not gonna go watch it

[Amy]

because I didn't interpret it as what I'm thinking it was now, but now he was so not helpful that I think he was not helpful for a reason. Because again, most cops are trained for emergencies, medical situations. How do we save the baby? He said, I can't help you. We gotta wait for an ambulance.

[Mike]

I guess if you pull up to her and you see the baby's already dead, you assume maybe she did something,

but now it's a crime scene.

[Amy]

You still try to save the baby if you're not sure.

[Mike]

I know that's what I'm thinking, like a little.

[Amy]

Unless you're 100 sure, you're probably giving that baby CPR.

[Gabe]

What about a small town cop?

[Amy]

You're still. I don't know, I. I don't know. I just thinking back, I feel different about it than when I did when I watched it the first time going, that cop's kind of cold. Now. I think there was probably some motivation for that coldness. Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

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[Amy]

Welcome back to the Bobbycast.

[Gabe]

I do remember Mike and refresh my memory, but I do think that they found out that there was a murder with a baby stolen from another from a house when they were interviewing her because they pulled the detective out and

[Mike]

be like hey, in the hospital room. Right, that's what I was.

[Gabe]

So they didn't know immediately and then.

[Mike]

But they knew at the hospital because that's when yeah, they started to be like, oh shoot, this is that.

[Gabe]

And that's when she's just, I mean her back's against the wall. What do you mean? What do you mean? Of course I had the baby.

[Mike]

This baby came out of you. Yeah, yeah.

[Gabe]

What do you mean?

[Mike]

She said she now fast forward some of the post stuff that I've seen is in prison. She has pitched herself as an in house crime consultant from prison. Like telling, you know, I don't know who you tell, like I guess looking for a way out early. Like you know, if you cooperate and help the police solve other crimes. So she's like, look, I'm a really good liar and manipulator and I can help you. But in that same vein, she also has now said that she was kidnapped by some Gangster.

[Amy]

Oh, I saw the thing where she was trying like maybe try to get murdered in prison. I think she's done a lot of lies. What's your lie?

[Mike]

Okay, all of this she didn't do on her. She was forced to do it by this guy in a gang that had kidnapped her at some point and then set up this whole thing of what she had to do. And if she didn't do it.

[Gabe]

Yeah, I mean, it doesn't surprise me. I mean, someone that lies for their whole life, like it's not going to stop after they get arrested.

[Mike]

Right.

[Amy]

There was one too where I think she blamed her cellmate. Cellmate who she didn't. For trying to kill her. And then also what they didn't say in the documentary was she had fake pregnancies before.

[Mike]

Oh, really? Yeah, I knew she had fake. She had faked other ailments.

[Amy]

Like, oh, well, they'd said that documentary. She faked cancer. She faked. She just needs, she just wanted attention. Like there's some real deep rooted mental illness. I'm surprised that she did not because that's so crazy. What? What? All that, that happened. Every, every bit of that is so crazy. That's somebody who's clinically insane. You cannot be. That's not evil for the sake of gaining something. That's. You're brain is hurt. You're. You're off, you're off.

[Gabe]

But, but didn't you just say that it's to make her feel better about things?

[Amy]

Like, yeah, but you know what? I want to feel better about things. I'm insecure about a lot of things. I don't go and cut a baby out of somebody. I don't fake cancer. I don't. I think there was so much here that I don't feel that her brain is right. I was surprised she didn't get insanity.

[Mike]

Right. It's like up until that point, it's like, okay, she's the pathological liar. Like, that's one thing to be someone that lies a lot and then it's next to. Now your lies are leading you to that double murder.

[Amy]

Murder of an adult, murder of a baby. And if you're just a pathological liar, you probably have a limit. You hit where you're going. I need to lie better, but not. I need to murder to cover my lie. I was so surprised she didn't get insanity.

[Gabe]

Did you guys think it would get there? Like, did you think she would kill.

[Amy]

Nope.

[Gabe]

Try to rip a baby out of a mom.

[Amy]

I started to think she was going to Take the baby out of her friend or. No, kidnap the baby.

[Gabe]

That's what I thought.

[Amy]

Not, not. Not Stab. I never thought. Stab and rip the baby out of someone. I thought she might kidnap a baby from somebody, including her friend they were talking about earlier. I thought that's what the documentary was pointing us towards.

[Mike]

Yeah. Because at one point they were like, we're on high alert.

[Gabe]

They said that. Where, Mike? In the hospital.

[Amy]

At one of the hospitals.

[Mike]

They were like, yeah.

[Amy]

Oh, because she might come steal a baby.

[Matt Altmix]

Yeah.

[Mike]

They were like, we're on high alert for her.

[Amy]

That's right.

[Mike]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was her.

[Amy]

So I never thought it was. Especially because it wasn't a throwaway. It was more of texture to her life when she was a photographer for a wedding. That was just kind of a throwaway during it. Just a little texture piece, like showing

[Mike]

what she does for a living and

[Amy]

how people liked her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How easily people were drawn to her.

[Mike]

I mean, those people have to. I mean, oh, my gosh, that poor family.

[Gabe]

I can't.

[Mike]

Her husband.

[Gabe]

I can tell you, her husband didn't get the interview. He didn't interview. Right. Like, he was mia, which is great.

[Amy]

The husband of the victim.

[Gabe]

But I can't believe Homer or. Yeah, something like that. But I can't believe the victim's mom talked so much about that. Like, that would be so hard if that was my daughter.

[Ashley Akonetti]

Very.

[Amy]

I think what you probably do in that situation is go, if I don't tell the version of the story that I have, it's never going to be told. And that's why you do it. Not for any sort of. I want to be on tv.

[Gabe]

But I don't think her side of the story needs any explanation.

[Mike]

No, I think it highlighted who. Who her daughter was as a person and her sweet spirit.

[Amy]

And you want people to know that person as a person, not just a victim.

[Gabe]

Interesting.

[Amy]

And that's why her sister, or sister, I think her sister, if she saw her now, she just stab her and kill her dead right now for sure. Just she's pissed and she's like, you know, we're taught to forgive. What did she say? But, like, you can ask for forgiveness before you die, but I'll never forgive you. You got to get that from Jesus. Something to that.

[Mike]

Like, hell wouldn't even be good enough for her.

[Gabe]

Yeah, that's what she said.

[Amy]

She said, I talked to my preacher and he's like, well, you don't have to forgive. You know, if she wants forgiveness, it's through Jesus. It doesn't have to be through you. Something like that. That is a messed up show, though.

[Gabe]

I didn't think it'd get that bad.

[Amy]

I didn't think it would get that bad either. And I blame Amy.

[Mike]

I'm sorry.

[Amy]

It was a really well put together documentary because I never pointed and go, I bet this is it.

[Gabe]

Nope, never. And Amy, when you said it was the craziest documentary you'd ever seen.

[Amy]

It's the craziest.

[Gabe]

I want to apologize. I didn't think that, like, there's no way. Like, there's no way it could be that crazy. But I finished that documentary and said the same thing you said. That's the craziest thing I've ever seen.

[Amy]

Mike, anything we've left out?

[Mike]

No, I was just reading more about some of the things they left out about her.

[Amy]

Yeah? What do you have?

[Mike]

She had, like, psychotic issues before that they didn't really address in the documentary.

[Amy]

Do they specifically say in that she

[Mike]

had had, like, treatment for psychiatric issues, had some diagnosis.

[Gabe]

You're right, man. The fact that insanity was never a

[Mike]

thing, it's pretty surprising if I was that family, though. I don't wonder.

[Gabe]

No, you definitely don't.

[Mike]

I don't.

[Martha]

But her.

[Amy]

Her brain was broken. She wasn't selfishly pursuing a better life. Her brain was so broken that I think she believed. She started to believe a lot of the stuff that she was also lying about.

[Gabe]

You think so?

[Amy]

I do.

[Gabe]

You don't think it was just to get her out of whatever lie she told before?

[Amy]

I think that's. I do think that's a part of it, too. But there's a difference in somebody who's just a pathological liar that's doing it for just personal monetary gain. Anna Delvey. Right. I don't think her brain was broken. I think she saw an easy way to get something really cool and she could manipulate.

[Mike]

Well, I mean, some people have that gift.

[Amy]

I feel like this girl is clinically insane because you don't murder and rip a baby out of somebody. But now she's in prison, she's on death row. Youngest person on death row in Texas.

[Matt Altmix]

Yep.

[Gabe]

You think it's. Well, obviously it's pretty hard for her to, like, just say, admit she lied about anything her whole life.

[Amy]

I wonder if she does that.

[Gabe]

Probably.

[Amy]

I wonder if she does admit now any lies at all. I didn't see any of that.

[Gabe]

There's no way that.

[Mike]

But when you're that delusional, I wonder if she's, like, Wait, what? I did that.

[Amy]

Some of that. You lie so much you start to think it's true.

[Gabe]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Anything else you see up there, Mike, that we didn't talk about?

[Mike]

No.

[Amy]

It was a very compelling, it's weird to say entertaining, but I was entertained by it and then I just felt weird after it. But it was a really well put together documentary that I was surprised I didn't know the story because that's so effed up and you would have thought that had been a bigger news story.

[Gabe]

When did that happen, Amy?

[Mike]

2021.

[Amy]

So dancing with COVID time.

[Gabe]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And close to us.

[Gabe]

Yeah. Not far at all, dude. I drive through. I mean, we don't drive through New New Boston when we go to Texas, but I see the sign exit here for New Boston.

[Amy]

It's not like it's in Olympia, Washington.

[Gabe]

No.

[Amy]

Far regionally from us where we would. If it's a big, big enough story, we get it. But that's almost like in our area especially we're all from Texas and Arkansas and Caitlyn's from Oklahoma. Like none of that stuff ever came over to us.

[Mike]

So.

[Amy]

Any final thoughts?

[Mike]

I just probably spend a little too much time thinking about Wade.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I mean, I grieve for the other family, but he obviously I grieve for that family. Like that's horrible. But I just like when they show him at the end kind of feeding his animals and he's walking by himself. I just.

[Amy]

And I think it was Wade's mom maybe or someone else. Like Wade's always going to be known as the guy that was with the girl who murdered the woman and stole the baby out of the woman. I. I feel bad for Wade.

[Mike]

Yeah. It's like a weird. I guess the problem, the reason why I focus on that, it's obvious to me I feel bad for the victim's family. Like my heart breaks for them. That is a no brainer. I'm a little perplexed. Perplexed at my feelings I have about Wade.

[Amy]

Me too. Because I'm like, how did you not know? Some or any.

[Mike]

But I feel for him. And I'm like, that feels weird because I understand why I feel for the other people. I don't quite know why I feel for Wade.

[Gabe]

The fact that someone like her was out there makes me wonder if the

[Mike]

next person you hire for an event

[Amy]

when it says that in the documentary, she goes, I can't even hire a photographer. She's crying at the end of it. She's like, I don't want to hire a photographer for my own wedding because of what happened there.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Gabe]

And like, you meet new friends all the time and you're just like, now, like, I wonder what kind of person this is.

[Mike]

What.

[Amy]

What if I'm not even left handed? Oh, it's been a lie. You never know.

[Mike]

Or like, you know, you start. I mean, y' all aren't dating, but like, I, I just makes you think, like, who, who, who, who?

[Gabe]

Yeah, you don't know when. You don't know when you go on

[Mike]

a date with somebody.

[Martha]

Yeah.

[Ashley Akonetti]

Yay.

[Amy]

If you listen to this, you probably watched it. So you know, if you listen to this or watch this and you haven't watched it, well, now you know.

[Mike]

Now you know you don't have to watch it.

[Amy]

Okay, that's our spoiler. What are you going?

[Mike]

Spoiler review.

[Amy]

They're called spoiler review.

[Gabe]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Four and a half out of five overall for the product. Four and a half out of 5. Great job by the filmmakers.

[Gabe]

Great job F her.

[Amy]

I'm sorry for their families. I think that's what we'll end on. Thank you everybody for watching and listening. Love this episode of the Bobby cast. Subscribe on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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