BOBBYCAST - Katie - Host of Girls in Low Places on Country Music in the UK + Backlash From Viral Moment with Riley Green + Why She Flashed Tucker Wetmore + Industry Plants, Honky Tonks, The Spice Girls

Summary

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Podcast Episode Summary

Podcast: The Bobby Bones Show (BOBBYCAST)
Episode Title: Katie - Host of Girls in Low Places on Country Music in the UK + Backlash From Viral Moment with Riley Green + Why She Flashed Tucker Wetmore + Industry Plants, Honky Tonks, The Spice Girls
Release Date: November 25, 2025
Host: Bobby Bones
Guest: Katie Atkin, host of "Girls in Low Places" podcast

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Overview

In this episode, Bobby Bones sits down with Katie Atkin, the vibrant and witty host of "Girls in Low Places," a UK-based country music podcast. Their conversation dives deep into the state of country music in the UK, cultural differences between Britain and the US, the podcast's rapid rise, viral moments and backlash, country fandom, and Katie's unique comedic approach to interviewing American country stars. The tone is candid, irreverent, and energetic, offering a fresh, global perspective on country music culture.

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Key Topics & Discussion Highlights

1. The Genesis and Style of "Girls in Low Places" [05:16–08:36]

• Podcast Origins & Mission: Katie talks about starting the show to fill a gap for female-focused, immersive, and satirical country music content in the UK.
• Creative Interview Style: The show blends immersive experiences, spoofs, and unconventional interviews, especially with male artists (e.g., dressing up or re-enacting music videos).
• Female-Coded Yapping: With female acts in the studio, the energy is described as a "really like girl-coded yap."
  • Notable Quote: “I really like to get [female acts] in the studio. It feels like a really like girl coded yap. And we can just talk and talk and talk about nice girly things.” — Katie Atkin [06:31]

2. Country Music’s Unlikely Boom in the UK [07:43–10:52]

• Ease of Access to Artists: Katie describes how UK press runs for US artists are smaller, resulting in better, quicker access.
• Fandom Divide: The surge in new country fans has split the scene between “originals” (who reminisce about intimate gigs for huge US acts) and newcomers excited by arena shows.
• Cultural Fit: Katie argues that despite stereotypes, the UK has deep rural and countryside connections aligning with country music values, even though outsiders focus on London.

3. The British Countryside Meets Nashville [11:35–14:11]

• Comparisons and Stereotypes: Bobby and Katie banter about what Americans associate with London (royals, soccer, old buildings) versus actual rural British life.
• Parallels: Brits are drawn to country music as escapism, in the same way they watch American reality TV.
  • Notable Quote: "People are wearing cowboy hats to Tesco...we want to feel it. It's escapism for us.” — Katie Atkin [13:01]

4. The Mechanics and Realities of the Industry (“How the Sausage Is Made”) [15:07–17:02]

• Cynicism About the ‘Industry Plant’ Phenomenon: Bobby and Katie discuss artists who seem to succeed more due to industry backing than talent.

  • Notable Quote: “It drives me crazy because they're terrible and they have hits and I want to scream from the friggin’ top of the roofs, ‘This person sucks. They're not good.’” — Bobby Bones [16:27]

• Maintaining Authenticity: Both share stories of fighting for non-traditional voices and identities in a sometimes exclusionary Nashville system.

5. Flipping Fandom: From Uncool to the Cool Table [18:22–20:33]

• British Fans Pick Their Own Favorites: Unlike the US, UK fans aren’t told which singles to like by radio; they learn albums top-to-bottom and often know the "B-sides" just as well.

  • Notable Quote: “We don't get told what is our favorite song. Which I think means that that's got a real joy for the British listeners...You pick out.” — Katie Atkin [18:25]

• Shift from Polite to Rowdy Crowds: The demographic at UK country shows is getting younger and more energetic, causing a rift with longtime fans who preferred hushed, respectful gigs.

6. Viral Moments, Trolling, & Backlash [37:07–41:41]

• Riley Green Viral Interview: Katie recounts the interview moment that went viral after she playfully crawled across a table toward the country singer. This led to media backlash questioning gender dynamics and the appropriateness of her style.
  • Notable Quote: “You became the story. Once it hits a certain amount of streams, you're now the story.” — Bobby Bones [38:15]
• On Dealing With Criticism: Both discuss struggles with online hate and the emotional toll of becoming ‘the story’, as well as the importance of authenticity.

7. Interviewing Tips and Red Carpet Strategy [75:56–76:53]

• Bobby’s Practical Advice: When working awards show carpets, set clear expectations with artists about interview length to keep things smooth and calm.
  • Notable Quote: “You need to let them know what your expectation is from them...then I can give them full everything and not have to worry they're going to keep me for longer.” — Bobby Bones [76:13]

8. Anecdotes: Flashing Tucker Wetmore and Fangirl Moments [73:09–75:56]

• Tucker Wetmore Story: Katie tells a wild story about playfully flashing (simulated) an up-and-coming country artist at a CMA Fest, leading to a fun, ongoing gag between them.
• Embracing the Persona: Katie and Bobby discuss the fun and chaos of being known for zany, memorable moments—and the blurry line between persona and real life.

9. Gender, Fame, and Women in Country Conversations [56:08–61:58]

• Kelsea Ballerini and Carrie Underwood: Katie admires artists who open challenging conversations about women and motherhood, and both discuss how introversion in public life is misconstrued as rudeness.
• Pressure to Please: Katie reflects on the exhaustion that comes from being both entertainer and accessible everywoman, plus fears about “resting bitch face” and letting people down.
  • Notable Quote: “I ruined every country gig in the UK for the rest of life...because I can't just go. If someone says, hey, oh my God, girls in the places, I am like, hi, how are you?” — Katie Atkin [60:27]

10. UK vs. US Country Perspective [64:57–65:37]

• Should Katie Move to Nashville?: Bobby recommends she remain UK-based; her difference is her magic.
  • Notable Quote: “I think you have far more value not here. What's interesting about you is that you're not here and that you don't sound like people from here.” — Bobby Bones [65:37]

11. Katie’s Podcast Origin Story [47:06–50:51]

• Born Out of Heartbreak: Katie reveals the podcast was born after a life-changing trip to Nashville led her to call off a wedding, start anew, and create a podcast for “girls in low places.”
• From Therapy to Success: What started as a distraction quickly became a phenomenon and a voice for British women in country music.

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Notable and Memorable Quotes

• “We want to bring in the new fan. We want to get people to bigger, better venues. We want to have like our own mini Nashville in like Camden somewhere.” — Katie Atkin [10:12]
• “As a British, we love that...it’s escapism for us.” — Katie Atkin [13:01]
• “There are artists who are awesome people, but there are some that are so celebrated, that are just dirt bags.” — Bobby Bones [15:31]
• “We don’t get told what’s our favorite song...that’s got a real joy for the British listeners.” — Katie Atkin [18:25]
• “You became the story. Once it hits a certain amount of streams, you’re now the story.” — Bobby Bones [38:15]
• “But what was gone viral was not negative at all… you just have that same percentage of idiots that grows because the percentage of people are growing.” — Bobby Bones [39:25]
• “With podcasting, we can do the cool media interview, but also from the POV of a fangirl.” — Katie Atkin [64:06]
• “I think you have far more value not here. What’s interesting about you is that you’re not here and that you don’t sound like people from here.” — Bobby Bones [65:37]

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Lighthearted & Cultural Highlights

• Mr. Bean 'Connection': Katie riffs on possibly being related to Rowan Atkinson (Mr. Bean) due to her surname, even demonstrating her best Bean face [81:27–82:54].
• Spice Girls: Katie plans to wear a Union Jack dress à la Ginger Spice to the CMAs, and they share nostalgia and fondness for the Spice Girls [43:05–44:27].
• Flashing Tucker Wetmore: Katie recounts a memorable moment flashing (jokingly) Tucker Wetmore, which evolved into an inside joke [73:09–75:22].

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Segment Timestamps

• Podcast/Guest Introduction: [02:41–05:16]
• Podcast Origins & Style: [05:16–08:36]
• UK Country Music Scene: [08:36–12:33]
• Rural UK vs. London Discussion: [12:33–14:11]
• Escapism/Fandom/Culture Clash: [14:11–18:22]
• Industry Plants/Authenticity: [15:07–17:02]
• British Fans’ Unique Preferences: [18:22–20:33]
• Viral Moments & Trolling: [37:07–41:41]
• Gender/Fame/Accessible Persona: [56:08–61:58]
• Advice for Red Carpets: [75:56–76:53]
• Pop Culture/Spice Girls/Mr. Bean: [43:05–44:27], [81:27–82:54]
• Podcast Origin Story: [47:06–50:51]
• Should Katie Move to Nashville?: [64:57–65:37]
• Fun with National Identifiers (UK/England/Ireland): [83:09–85:23]

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Tone and Takeaways

• Humorous and Unvarnished: The conversation is unfiltered, playful, and self-deprecating—Katie’s British wit and Bobby’s candidness lead to honest reflections on fame, industry hypocrisy, and why Katie’s podcast resonates across borders.
• Celebration of Otherness: The episode spotlights how Katie’s outsider status in Nashville adds value—and why she shouldn’t assimilate away her difference.
• Resilience in the Face of Backlash: Both hosts share their coping mechanisms for fame, trolling, and professional setbacks.
• Inspiration for Creators: Katie’s leap—from heartbreak to podcasting success—serves as an uplifting case study for chasing personal and creative fulfillment at any age.

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[Katie Atkin]

That would be such a good Storyline for the podcast, though. Come on, Bailey, get me pregnant.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, welcome to 557. This is Katie Atkin. She is the host of the Girls in Low Places podcast. And how this came together was I literally just came across the content in my feed and I DM them and I was like, this is really funny. So Girls in Low Places, they are based in London and they're a country music podcast. But obviously it's a bit different because they're in London. She's very British. There were times, I think I don't know what was left in this episode and I'm not even going to go and look and see what was left in. And at the end, because her podcast partner and her friend who was with her is a lawyer, and we were like, yeah, some of this stuff you gotta pull for sure. I don't know what was edited out. I would imagine not much. Not a whole lot. There were times that I didn't quite know what she was saying because she's so British and they use different words than us. And I say to her, I'm just trying to figure out what you're saying sometimes. But I had a lot of fun with this because she was a lot of fun. Did you know what a Union Jack was? Did not know. I learned a lot of words during this. So I did know what a Union Jack was. And only because of Jerry Halliwell, Ginger Spice. That's the only reason I know what that sign is. It's like the British sign. Like the. It's on the flag. It's on the flag. I think it is the flag, isn't it? Yeah. Now I'm confused. I don't know. But so, yeah, we talk about country music. We talk about a whole lot of stuff. And I encourage you to check out their podcast, Girls in Low Places. I will tell you, the C word gets used. Did we leave that in? No. Oh, we cut it. Yeah. Dang.

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[Bobby Bones]

It was a lot dang. That's good. The whole thing surrounding is a little. What do you mean? There's a lot of words used in that time. Okay, well, can we say this?

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[Bobby Bones]

I did a whole thing where I was like, I like it when British people say the C word. I don't like it when Americans really say it's gross, but British people make it sound funny. And so we talked about that. But dang. Cutting room floor. Yeah. Okay. Upon my death, release it.

[Katie Atkin]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. I release all the things we've got over the years. No, don't do that. Don't do that. My estate will be sued, surely. So this is Katie. We did this the day of the CMAs. Yeah. So when we talk a bit, that's the reference. So just, like, two days ago. But check out the episode again. It's called Girls in Low Places. The Instagram is at the Girls in Low Places. And just go from there. Anything I'm leaving out? Oh, you're good. Okay, this is fine. Here she is. Katie Atkins. Katie, good to meet you.

[Katie Atkin]

I'm. This is so surreal.

[Bobby Bones]

Bobby, you were talking about, like, three things at once, but I said, don't say anything, so I don't even know what. So let's start with. You were just about to talk about something. I said, stop. What was it?

[Katie Atkin]

I find one of the hardest things about doing our podcast when, like, country stars come into the UK is that we just talk way too much before the podcast even begins. Because we're like, hi, how are you? How was your trip? And something brilliant. Some gold will come up, and I'll be like, God damn it, we're offline and I'm a yapper. I talk. And you were just telling me.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, yeah. It almost feels cold and rude because I. I will do it. And I'll say, no, say nothing, because I don't want to waste anything. I know whenever Colby Calais came over, and she lives around here, and I know her, she was like, you know, you're kind of cold before an interview. And I was like, I don't want to wait. I don't want to waste anything. So the sooner we get down and talking, like, the warmer I get.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like I felt like it was kind of, like nagging. Lots of people do that in the uk. Do you know what nagging is? It's like, when people are, like, mean to you at first, you, like, then want to win their approval, so you sort of then, like, give more.

[Bobby Bones]

That's called negging.

[Katie Atkin]

It's called nagging.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So where do. When you guys do your podcast, like, an artist come to you? Because I watched. I've watched your podcast.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you have, like, a safe. Is that, like a.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes, we have a studio. Yeah. But obviously, when an artist is in town in London, they're there for, like, maybe, like, I don't know, two days, three days tops. They normally have a show on maybe two of the days. And I actually have also quite liked turning the podcast, like, more from just a podcast into more of an immersive satire experience. So sometimes mainly with the female acts, I really like to get them in the studio. It feels like a really like girl coded yap. And we can just talk and talk and talk about nice girly things. But I think with the guys, it actually works to kind of like turn it into more of a show. Like make it something. A play on. On something that they have done either a music video or something. Like I wore a beard and dressed up as Isaac from 49 Winchester Riley, obviously Riley Green. We did. We went on a serial date and we recreated worse way crawling on the table. So I kind of like the creativity of that now. Like, it's kind of spoofy. It feels like a little bit more country music's chicken shop. That's kind of where we're going with it.

[Bobby Bones]

Are you finding it easier to get artists to come by now that you have some? Because once you get like three or four.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Then you can go, we've had these. And if you think you're too good. Well, they didn't.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

So people. It's a lot easier once you get a few.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, it's. It definitely has turned. We felt the tables turned. But I will say, and this is one of the reasons why I wanted to start a country music podcast in the UK is that I kind of saw the gap that when country artists come over, they actually do a press run. That kind of means you get better access quicker in the UK because there's not so many. They. They really want to promote themselves in the uk. Everybody wants. Seems to want to break the UK market from.

[Bobby Bones]

From what I understand, it is Europe in general.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, yeah. And. And so therefore they're more willing to do more press. And I saw a gap that I was like, if we had something female focused, we might be able to get some really good guests pretty quick. Or like, you know, we were quite shocked by the level of guests that we could get from the jump because people want to celebrate country and want to build it up there and they know it's booming. So we just can't believe the level that we've got to so quickly. Like, it's absolutely surreal. I mean, mad.

[Bobby Bones]

Some of my friends that will tour and go over, it's a. What they like about it. And what's also difficult is it's an ego check for them because they will be doing amphitheaters or even arenas and they'll go there and the audience is much smaller.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

And so for them, a couple things happen. One, it reminds them of what it used to be like, which is Oftentimes a good reset. Secondly, yeah, you kind of have to be nicer when everybody doesn't love you and so they go over and you know, it's kind of like a head game for them where they go and they are not universally celebrated because people don't know them near as much as they do here.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, absolutely. I think it's also something that like you said, the small crowds, small audiences. I think that's why in the UK there's this boom has actually like divided the hardcore long term country fans because we got to have the most incredible guests and we still do to us to a point. Because although country is booming, it's nowhere near what it is here. But we used to be able to see a huge, huge artist who only plays arenas in a really small venue. And that kind of meant that now we have the new country fans coming in and that's changing and the arenas are getting bigger or there's loads of tickets being sold and we. And no one can get a ticket anymore. Those old school country fans are really frustrated because they used to be able to see Luke Combs in like a 300 person venue for 20 quid.

[Bobby Bones]

Like the originals.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

That's like any band here. Whenever you're like a day oner and they start to get popular and people are like, no, I love them like, but you didn't love them back when I used to love them.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. Like we've had a whole thing about the Luke Combs Wembley tickets. Like people are saying only original fans should be able to get pre sale access. All these new fans can't come and enjoy country and I just hate that. Like that's something that we as a podcast like want to lead. Like we want to bring in the new fan. We want to get people to bigger, better venues. We want to have like our own mini Nashville in like Camden somewhere. Like that's, that's where we. I see like country music going in the uk. It's huge. Like we are a rural countryside place. We have so many things that align with country music. And I think that maybe when Americans think of the uk, people focus on London because you think the Queen, you think the palace, you think, let me play that game.

[Bobby Bones]

Hold on, don't give me too many. What do I think of when I think of London? I think of, well, he's not a prince anymore, but Charles.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, King.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. I've kind of soured on the. I don't. I'm not a big Royal family guy anyway, but I understand the need for them.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And I understand you guys need for them because what a. What a money generator that is.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So I'm gonna go that. I'm gonna go soccer. Just general soccer.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. Ted Lasso comes up a lot.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, no, I wasn't even thinking Ted Lasso. I was thinking, like, Premier League. That airs at three in the morning.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. Soccer.

[Katie Atkin]

Football.

[Bobby Bones]

Big Ben. Yeah, Football Big Ben.

[Katie Atkin]

Yep. You're not thinking fish and chips? Fish and chips.

[Bobby Bones]

I've been to London.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And did you like it?

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

You know what I liked about it is that everything was, like, old. And we in America were like, man, look at this building. It's from 1912. This is old. And there's like just a random church or building from 1300 that you guys just have. People are just chilling in it.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

That, to me was amazing because I'd never seen anything like that before. So the age. And also for the most part, and I'm probably wrong, but for the most part, everything is wide and not tall.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

There are. No, there are skyscrapers. Like, we're in a small part of London.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I think. Right.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. But it's not like, boxed in, like, New York is very daunting to us. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So the fact that those buildings were so long and like, the blocks were just. It looked like one building that just rubbed into another. Like that to me was why. But I'm from a very rural town. It was the first time I'd ever been overseas was when I went to London. Those are what I think of when I think of London.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. I mean, it. We have amazing history.

[Bobby Bones]

Oasis. I don't think of London because they're not from London.

[Katie Atkin]

No, they're from Manchester. They're from Manchester. I didn't know.

[Bobby Bones]

Which to me feels like the. Feels like country. Like it's not rural, but not London.

[Katie Atkin]

Manchester's still a city. They're still. They're still like city boys in. In a way. But I think that Manchester has more rural surroundings. The north is like. Would be known as a very rural place when for a Londoner to think of in. In the uk.

[Bobby Bones]

Where did you grow up? In London.

[Katie Atkin]

So I'm from Surrey. So is it London? It's like south of London, but it's the countryside. It's like rolling hills. The Surrey hills are very, like, famous for being beautiful. It's. And. And you know, it's an hour from London on the train. But it's country as I think it's countries against me I've lived in Devon, which is a very farming place, and that's where country folk and country, it's, it's everywhere. And I think it's just sort of starting to bleed into the cities a lot more that people are listening to the music and loving it. But I just think we have so many parallels with that country lifestyle and that's why people in the UK are trying to emulate it and they really identify with like, it's the. What's the word I'm looking for? Yeah, it's the country lifestyle. It's, it's. People are wearing cowboy hats to Tesco. That's like our grocery store. Like people are doing things that you guys probably think are like cosplay, but we just, we, we want to feel it. It's, it's escapism for us. I think there's something about that, you know, like how. I mean, I watch a lot of Bravo. Right. Because I watch Mormon Wives. Yes. Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

I've got. We were talking about it. I'm going to come back to this. You do your thing. I'm going to come back to that. Go ahead.

[Katie Atkin]

Mormon. Mormon Wives. Yeah. So we, I would watch something like Mormon Wives. I watch a lot of Housewives, but when they do Real Housewives of London, I'm like, I'm not that interested. Because we want that American escapism. It feels like it's something slightly detached. Like when we see for example, let's Go Megan, Ella and Riley drama. Like that's like our, our soap opera that we're enjoying watching. And it doesn't feel like it actually affects our, our politics, what's going on, our day to day. It takes us out of what we're doing. We can enjoy the music without the political things that you maybe have to think about in, in some, in terms of some artists doing this that the other, like we don't have to think about that particularly. We just kind of can enjoy the music for the music. And I think that's a part of the escapism that we just can get out of our day to day lives. And I can listen to Morgan Wall and I can just be like, oh, okay. I feel like I'm, I feel like I'm in Nashville.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. I think I would love it a lot more if I didn't live in it.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, I, I think that's probably very true.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. I get very annoyed with it. I have a, I have a love for it, but I get very annoyed with it too because I live in it.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And Then you see how. I don't know if you guys have this term, but how the sausage is made.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, you see how the sausage is made.

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[Bobby Bones]

And then, you know, you're like, you know what?

[Katie Atkin]

The magic is shining off. Okay. I never want to see how the sausage is made. Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

And there are artists who are awesome people, but there are some that are so celebrated, that are just dirt bags.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And it is so weird to see the dirt bags be celebrated as like the greatest people on earth when they're awful people. And so. But that ruined. That ruins.

[Katie Atkin]

Tell me who the dirt bags are going number one.

[Bobby Bones]

No, no, no, no. But, but, but that is a thing. That's. That's a thing for me, that it makes it not as fun at times because you see the reality of what's behind it. And also, too, there's like, some of my friends are. It's such a roll of the dice too, in this town where people get really famous, really successful, and they're pretty good. And then you see some people that are freaking awesome. Like, there's one person specifically is the only. I hope this is not an insult because when you said a term, nagging, I didn't know what that was.

[Katie Atkin]

Nagging and nagging, very different things.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you guys use industry plant? You know what? That is an industry plant.

[Katie Atkin]

I think, yes, it does happen a lot. Like the.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, so you do know what.

[Katie Atkin]

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

There's one of those here that's making it. And it drives me crazy because they're terrible and they have hits and I want to scream from the friggin top of the roofs. This person sucks. They're not good. They can't sing. They have all these hits, and it's only because they were specifically placed there by somebody that has the power to do it. So that really. It turns me off a bit.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

But I still have such a love even through that.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

It is quite the juxtaposition of, like growing up and loving country music and then also hating the process. And also I've just fought with it too, for so long because I'm not traditional, Right?

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I wear a freaking cardigan. I don't wear a cowboy hat. You know, you're like, we cosplay. And you walk in and I'm in a cardigan and khakis.

[Katie Atkin]

Look, I nearly put my cowboy hat on. And I thought, I know what, I'm not gonna do it. Because it seems dumb to do that in Nashville as a British person, to sit here on a point. I mean, I'm. It's up there, so I'm. I'm embarrassed.

[Bobby Bones]

Anyway, you kind of need. I think it works for you as a British. Wait, so why. Why country music for you? Did you grow up listening to it at all?

[Katie Atkin]

So I. I think country music and musical theater have a really, like, they have a lot of parallels. And I find that lots of people who like musical theater tend to like country music because it's very literal, it tells a story, it's very emotional, it's connected. So I did some musical theater stuff when. When I was younger, and then country music kind of just slid in. I had a really big love for Carrie Underwood. And like, I don't know, it was. When it was like, I love Carrie since American Idol. I just thought she was fantastic. And I think what's interesting in the UK is that when you find one artist that you like, you then now have so many capabilities to bleed into. You'll just hear something else somewhere else and you'll be like, okay, well, I like Carrie, but this Kelsey Ballerini sounds great. Like, okay, I'll listen. And you listen to the albums from top to bottom. We don't get the hits. We don't get what's on the radio. We have great radio stations like Absolute and Smooth country, but generally when you're listening to that music, you have to listen to it top the bottom. So that's why when artists come over, they are amazed that we know the B sides that we're singing along to every single.

[Bobby Bones]

They're not the B sides to you guys. They're just the sides.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Katie Atkin]

And we get to choose which one is our favorite song. We don't get told what is our favorite song. Which I think means that that's got a real joy for the British listeners because it feels very personal to you of what you're choosing out and those artists you feel very connected to because you're like, I chose that. I wasn't spoon fed that I chose to listen to Morgan Waller's 47 songs, whatever it is, you know, it's. It. That's something that you. You pick out. And I think the artists really appreciate that when they come over, they are just blown away by the dedication to the music that we all have and the fact that we are British and we tend to be quiet and listen to the songs, like, almost like as if it's like a recital and less.

[Bobby Bones]

Is that culture? Is that music? Is that the culture for you guys at a concert?

[Katie Atkin]

No, not all concerts. So this is what's Interesting, Right? So in the uk, I would say country music wasn't cool. And it was definitely an older crowd, that. It was kind of a more mature crowd that was kind of pitched to, like, those radio stations that I just suggested. I'd say they have a slightly older listenership, generally, for the most part. For a while. I think now that's changed, but I think so. Then the older crowd would go and they wanted to have a very peaceful, enjoyable, nice evening. And I'd often go and feel like I was, like, one of the youngest people in the room. But, like, it would be nice because it would be quiet, respectful and lovely. Like some people. It's not as you go to a gig and people wouldn't even dance. Like, Lainey. I went to a Lainey Wilson gig and people didn't even move. Like, how can you not move at a Lainey Wilson gig? So when the crowd started to get a bit younger and a bit vibe, I like. I loved it. I was like, thank God. I can feel like I'm actually in a Honky Tonk. I feel like I'm actually, you know, it felt like a bit more, like, authentic to me that we weren't just standing there as if it was like an opera something. But again, it's quite a divided place right now, the country fan, because some people are going, I loved it when it was like that. I didn't want these drunk idiots having a good time. I wanted to listen to every beat and hear a pin drop. And then other people are saying, well, no, I want to go and have a party. It's, you know, who's a party person, who's a party artist? I can't. I'm blanking.

[Bobby Bones]

Co Wetzel.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. I want to go and party to Co Wetzel. Like, I don't want to stand there next to, you know, my mom. So it's creating a bit of friction in the gig and the ticket space, for sure.

[Bobby Bones]

Have you ever been to a Honky Tonk? A real one?

[Katie Atkin]

I think so. I've been. I've been to the Nashville Palace. Is that Honky Tonka?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Anything in Nashville, though, feels a bit cosplay, though.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes. Well, it's very Vegas on Broadway. Like, you gotta do it.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Katie Atkin]

And you find yourself. I mean, we found ourselves two nights in a row down there. We didn't even choose to, but you just. You get sucked in. You have to surrender. And you love it. As a British, we love that. But, like, it is cool because, like, we have a videographer who we. Who, like, I met when I first came to CMA Fest here when we had we're a baby podcast. And I just said, we just need to do man on the street stuff. Anything. Talk to all the drunk people and get just any content. And he took me around, like, some cool places in East Nashville, and I kind of, like, got to see another side that felt so much more authentic.

[Bobby Bones]

Have you been to any more. Any other states? Just in general. In America.

[Katie Atkin]

New York?

[Bobby Bones]

No, not there. Bad.

[Katie Atkin]

That's not going to be a honky tonk. Honky tonk. I really want to go to Austin, actually. I know that you.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, Austin's great. Yeah, yeah, Austin's great. Like, but like Oklahoma, Arkansas, there's no reason for you to go. But if you do go, that's where the.

[Katie Atkin]

That's where the honky, honky, honky tonks are.

[Bobby Bones]

That's a lot of use of the word honky. I'll be honest with you. I don't know if you guys have that word over there in England.

[Katie Atkin]

What do they say? They say that's more honk and less tonk or something. They say, I don't know.

[Bobby Bones]

They are. I've not said that, but yeah, yeah, yeah. So growing up, we had the Electric Cowboy in Arkansas and a lot of honky tonks. The real ones sprinkle in like 90s to 2000 since hip hop.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, right. Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

The ones that are, like, trying to be fake honky tonks really do the extra honk, as you'd say.

[Katie Atkin]

Extra honk. Yeah. Well, when. Even when I went to the Nashville palace, like, I was so shocked that they were all line dancing to, like, to the left, to the left, to the right. And I was like. Or take this there to church. I really hope you don't put that in because that is. I just knew that as soon as.

[Bobby Bones]

I was the only thing on the feed.

[Katie Atkin]

It's gonna go in now, isn't. But yeah, that. That's like. I. I mean, I think that's also why all the hip hop is all sort of like bleeding into the. The country stuff now and is doing so well. I mean, absolutely love it.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Bobby Bones]

And we're back on the Bobby Cast. So you watch Mormon Wives?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah, I watch.

[Bobby Bones]

I have a question.

[Katie Atkin]

So I might not be completely up to date, but I definitely know all the key players.

[Bobby Bones]

Great, because I don't. And I I watch Dancing with the Stars. Oh, and so they kicked off the Mormon Wife girl, huh? Now I didn't watch Mormon Wives, but I found her to be likable on Dancing with the Stars.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh no, that I know the one you mean. And she's not likable on Mormon Wife.

[Bobby Bones]

That was what I was so confused about because people were acting like she was a villain. I don't know her from Mormon Wives at all. What's her what's she like on the.

[Katie Atkin]

Mormon show she like, kind of. She has a real thing for the lead girl. You know, the girl who's going to be on the Bachelor. These names.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, she's going to be the Bachelorette, though.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, yeah. She's. She was kind of like isolated. Time was very shame. I think she was very shameful because the lead girl on Mormon Wives, she was doing swinging. Right. She's like soft.

[Bobby Bones]

Cheating. Soft swinging or whatever. It was soft.

[Katie Atkin]

I mean, just keys in a bowl. Let's go. Like you're cheating, you're swinging. Whatever. She was doing some explorative stuff, which is obviously shameful in the Mormon community to a point, but apparently it happens a lot. Actually. I don't know. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City have been suggesting that it's actually happening a lot more. I think Whitney and Bronwyn had a really big conversation about swinging this week. But anyway, I digress.

[Bobby Bones]

Whitney's the one. Is the one we're talking about.

[Katie Atkin]

No. So there's another confusing. There's a Whitney on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and there's a Whitney on Mormon Wise, I think is the one that you're talking about has.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Wendy Levitt, I think is her name.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes. Yeah, yeah. But she was very slut shamy. I'd say maybe that's a bit strong slut shaming of the lead girl. I can't remember her bloody name. The lead. The main central girl. And I think that then she kind of like was pitting everyone against her. Then it turned out that, like, her husband was addicted to porn. So, like, it was kind of like hypocritical that she was being so. Because he was having some extramarital things going on. So it was kind of like, don't project your insecurities on another woman. And it kind of just. I think that's. That was my take on it. But she. She generally is just a bit insecure.

[Bobby Bones]

I think I understand a bit then why people didn't like her. I liked her just fine because I didn't know how that show painted her. And as you know, those shows find your niche and then just totally paint you into the character development of.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, I think she was a little self righteous. And then it turned out like, you know, the call was coming from inside.

[Bobby Bones]

The house to be self righteous, though, as a Mormon. Like, they can dance, like generally religion that dances the best. Mormons. Really?

[Katie Atkin]

Why is that?

[Bobby Bones]

Because I think they can't have sex.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, so they can.

[Bobby Bones]

They do it with like a barrier. I think pants are the ultimate condom.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, my God. So you think that, like, ballroom dancing is, like, their way of getting off?

[Bobby Bones]

I. I don't know that that's true, but I did dance.

[Katie Atkin]

It's a good theory.

[Bobby Bones]

And they're all. All those dancers, they're all Mormon. Most of them are Mormon guys and girls. And so they were so good at it.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And so I came up with that conclusion myself.

[Katie Atkin]

I saw that you've. I mean, I don't know if you want to talk about it.

[Bobby Bones]

I'll talk about whatever you want.

[Katie Atkin]

I saw that you have sent back your trophy.

[Bobby Bones]

I did.

[Katie Atkin]

So talk me through that. What's happened? So they. They've. They've been saying things about you, and it's.

[Bobby Bones]

Good interviewer here, Katie. Haven't really talked about this at length, so I'm happy to be here.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

We are.

[Bobby Bones]

So I did the show six or seven years ago, and I think I was not misquoted, but I think what I said was misinterpreted when I said I'd never wanted to do the show. What I had meant, hopefully in that clip was I never wanted to do the show. It wasn't. I didn't want to do the show. I just never wanted. My desire was never to do Dancing with the Stars.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And so I was working for the network doing a different show, and they said, go on Dancing with the Stars. You'll last four weeks. You'll be kicked off. You have no experience. Nobody that has no experience. And also, I wasn't as famous as some other people. I'm not.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

I'm not.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm, like, regionally known in rural areas. Like, there's a difference between that and fame.

[Katie Atkin]

And so I like that. I'm regionally known in rural areas.

[Bobby Bones]

So they said, go on the show, all things considered. Like, we need you back on American Idol. So we'll see in four weeks. You'll probably get kicked off. So I'm like, great. I go over to the show again. I. I don't think I'd ever watched a full episode. I'd kept up with it as far as, like, it was a cultural thing. So, like, I would see, like, clips and stuff. I wasn't anti Dancing with the Stars. I just never watched it.

[Katie Atkin]

No, you're not, like, you know, you're not a Stan.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. So it wasn't negative, wasn't positive, but I thought, I'll do it. And they paid me, like, 120, 125, 000 or something to do for just the intro, for just being on the show.

[Katie Atkin]

You get me on there. That'd be really helpful right now. I'll go out in week one.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, you. Well, you have to last at least two weeks because nobody gets kicked off week one.

[Katie Atkin]

Wait, you don't get any money if you get kicked off.

[Bobby Bones]

No, you do, but you get paid. You're just on for two weeks regardless. Nobody gets kicked off week one. It's like dancing communism. Like, everybody's the same, nobody goes home. So I do the show. And I was so fish out of water on that show. Never had danced. I didn't know what an eight count was, because I have no. And most people in any sort of performance have done some sort of training. Even if you're like a Broadway actor, you've done some sort.

[Katie Atkin]

You've done a box step.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes. And my partner at the time. I don't know what a box step is now. Is that a 4?

[Katie Atkin]

Come on. You know what a box up.

[Bobby Bones]

I wouldn't know what that's called.

[Katie Atkin]

You've won. Dancing with the sauce. You know, maybe you should have said this.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, maybe they deserve to have it. I don't know what a box step is. So my partner had been a finalist multiple times, and she had never won. And I think. I know she was.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, so she was, like, hungry. She was, like, ready to win.

[Bobby Bones]

She deserved to have a good partner. And I know that when she got me, or I feel when she got me, she was like, oh, my God. Not because of who I was. Not because, like, me as a person, I'm fine and I work hard, but I had no clue, like, she was having to start from negative. And so did the show. I had no idea, because they don't tell you week to week. There. There's like, a federal law because of a quiz show that, you know, way back in, like, the. Maybe the 60s, when there's money involved in a show, you can show no favoritism to any contestant. You can't cut somebody because you just don't want them on the show. Like, it has to be done by the book, so. But they also wouldn't tell us where we were finishing each week. All I know is I was never in the bottom three. And so the show happened, and I just kept on. I kept living. Every week I was not in the bottom three, I'd skate by with sevens and eights and finals come and I win, and I'm like, holy crap. And it was the first, like, non. At least middle to great dancer that won the show. That was me won by far. Because of fan vote. So we'll finish the show. And every year around October, just in whatever algorithm it is, I just get trashed by that audience because they're like, we can't have another Bobby Bob. Oh, sucks. I didn't do anything except win the freaking show. And so I just get. For like a month. Because this year it was Andy Richter who was on the show, and they were like, if we have another Bobby. Last year it was somebody. So I've now been the person that is associated with somebody who sucks.

[Katie Atkin]

But it's okay. So let me just get this super literal. So you were a great sort of cast member personality who could dance pretty well, worked really hard.

[Bobby Bones]

I could interact with you, and you.

[Katie Atkin]

Were like, the best amazing dancer ever, but you kind of, like, won people over throughout the time. And then you won, and it was great. Yes, but you feel. You feel that other people feel that there were stronger dancers that year.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, no, there were stronger. Every dancer was stronger.

[Katie Atkin]

But you were slow, steady, and won the audience over, and it was good. And you won. And there we go.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes. But now I've been the. What a bad dancer is because I won.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So that there were worse dancers on my season than me, but I won. So now it's often when someone lasts for a long time, they compare them to me. And it's every year. It's every year. And whatever. I don't. I don't care. Fine. I had surgery on my foot, so I was. I was on pain pills. And I love Tom Bergeron, the old host, and he was saying some things, and it was reflective of me in a negative way. And I was like, ah, my feelings are hurt. So I. I melt the mirror ball back. And I was. It's a little dramatic. I was on paint pills, and I thought, if I'm gonna get on, say this, I should at least show it, just not be a video. I'll just send the trophy back. And so I sent the trophy back as a gesture, like, you guys don't want me to be there. Here's the trophy. But I loved my time on the show. I loved everybody associated with the show. The network has reached out to me and said, hey, oops, sorry about that.

[Katie Atkin]

Have you. Have you heard from anyone?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, they. A few days ago.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, we get the receipts.

[Bobby Bones]

I can read to you.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, my.

[Bobby Bones]

I've not talked about this yet.

[Katie Atkin]

It's not nice to be the scapegoat for someone else's agenda. I feel like we sometimes get a little bit of that because we're pushing the envelope with our interviews. I get, I get a lot of heat from things like that. So I can, I can relate and.

[Bobby Bones]

I get heat a lot for saying things, but I'm okay with that because I said it. Yeah, this is. I've now been the guy that represents everybody, the thing. And I, I rewatched all my dances for the first time ever and did a whole series that had nothing to do with this and actually wasn't that bad. But I just believed I was so bad because the Internet had told me I was so bad for so long. This is, I won't say who this is, but this is a answer. High Executive saw your post. I'm brokenhearted. And I said, it's okay. I have my feelings hurt. I was also on pain pills. And they said, I'm not sure why Tom did that. And I said, yeah, you know that that sucked. He isn't even on the show anymore and it's so disappointing on his part. I can speak for the show and the network. We all love you. We loved your time on the show. Clearly America loved you as well. Don't listen to people trying to get their 10 minutes. And then there was some other network stuff. So they reached out and they were like, hey, I don't know. I don't know who opens that, that trophy and gets it. And it's like, what is this in the mail?

[Katie Atkin]

I like that you're reactive though. You're like me, someone hurts me, I'm doing something back. But the interesting thing you say there is that like they're getting there 10 minutes. Like when I. So we're most known probably for when I crawled across the table to Riley Green, right. And there was like 10 people in the, in the room. His team in London, his team from Nashville. Like some of my, my producer, everything like that. So everyone, everything was above board. I'd interviewed him before. His managers followed like us from day one. He liked what I did and knew we were going to get some good personality out of him and talk about the music. And we then had, I'd say like three or four people interview Riley after that went out and said, you know, well known publications and well known things in the UK saying, did you feel uncomfortable when she did that? Did you feel uncomfortable? How did you feel if a woman did that? If. Sorry, if a man did that, it would be completely different thing. Yeah. Not obviously realize, well, just kind of like leading the audience and it's such a strange thing to do for one interviewer to talk about another Interview. Right. Journalistically, like it feels weird. And I just thought like, why, why are they doing that? Are they trying to get.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, you became the story. Once it hits. Once it hits a certain amount of streams, you're now the story.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So that's the story. I've become the story a bunch of times. I just had a conversation with somebody about something similar because they had done something that had gone viral and they were feeling a lot of negativity from the thing that went viral. But what was gone viral was not negative at all. But yeah, what I had described to this person was imagine you're standing on the floor, but you're standing on a pedestal that's on the floor.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

It's not lifted yet. And there are 20 people that can see you because you're ground level. And there may be three of them that think you're an idiot. For others 20. Now, it's not that loud when three people are telling you you're an idiot. When you have 17 that are being quiet or enjoying you. Now imagine the pedestal goes up 10ft. Well, now like a hundred people can see you. And now you've got 14, 15 people that are saying you're an idiot. Well, that feels a little louder. Even though the percentage of people that don't like you is not anymore. It does seem a bit louder. Now imagine you boost that thing up times 10 and you've got a million people. Well, you're gonna have a hundred thousand people that think you're an idiot and they're gonna come at you and you're gonna feel like I'm very hated. And actually you're not. You have 99, 000 people that love you, but they don't, they don't really speak. They just push the heart button.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And so you're not actually getting more disliked because you're getting more famous. You just have that same percentage of idiots that grows because the same, the same, the percentage of people are growing. So that's what happened to you. You became the story.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, I feel like I needed that. You just became my therapist. It's been really weird because I thought I'm quite thick skinned. Like I'm not like, you know, 19. I thought like, I've worked in sort of different industries and I was like, I'm going to be fine with this sort of trolling and the backlash and stuff like that, but it hurts and it's not something I expected. When you are trying to be comedic or like trying to like entertain people that they can come for you in that way. And I think because we are British humor meets, you know, Nashville guy is a lot of what we do provokes people in different ways. And I'm happy with that because it means we're doing something right. Like, we're entertaining. We're a different interview. There's definitely space for a legendary interview, but there's space for this new kind of interview that is something else. And, you know, that's been proved with, as I say, chicken shop, Call her daddy. Like, there is different ways of doing things, and there's an audience for it. And it's great because it brings out the personality of. Of the artists in a completely different way. But it's. There's. There's some things I've. I've figured, like, from doing this. Like, we've only been doing it, like, 18 months. Like, we're still baby. But, like, lots of things look different than what I thought they would look from where we're at now. Lots of things look better that I didn't expect would look better. And lots of things are, like. They're like, painful as, like, you know, as an individual and also as it being like my heart and soul, my baby that I've created. Like. So I think also something that's really, like, struck me is like, how many people, when they see you doing something good on a bigger platform, will go and try and take it and do it themselves. And they can't quite do it because they don't have that magical. That like, sort of like, you know, they try and replicate something that you're. But I find that, like, bonkers to me. I never thought that would happen, that people would see something good and go, okay, I'm gonna. Like, in a bigger way. Like, that's like. And also being on camera every week, do you find it, like, exhausting to be just filmed all the time? Because I thought I'm, you know, I've got a few narcissistic qualities. I'll be absolutely fine with it. But I find it really quite draining.

[Bobby Bones]

I find I don't get as tired of it because I don't watch it back.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, I do all my own editing. So, yeah. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

One day, hopefully you'll get rich like me. And you don't have to do your own editing because one day. I used to have to do my own editing one day.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, I don't watch. I don't look. I don't watch it.

[Katie Atkin]

You don't. Just don't look at it. That's a great way of thinking. About it. Yeah, I'm like, I'm constantly watching it back, being like, oh, my God.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, I could see where you could easily pick yourself apart if you're editing.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. Oh, God.

[Bobby Bones]

I also, it's like you, you almost have to lose the vanity part of it with. Especially with anything that's comedic.

[Katie Atkin]

I was also really worried about this today because obviously we're filming this on CMA Day, right? So I've got my hair done. We just had. Tucker Wetmore got us a blow dry. Lovely. How kind of him. Tucker Wetmore, he.

[Bobby Bones]

He bought it.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, he got us a blow dry. Ready for like a blowout. He got us a blowy. I wonder if you call it a blow dryer.

[Bobby Bones]

Like we have blow dryers.

[Katie Atkin]

Wonder if he'll return. I can return the favor one day. I'm gonna use that gag later to him. So. Yeah, you know, he got. Yeah, it's a blow dry. Blowout. Blowy. But then also.

[Bobby Bones]

Or you guys did it.

[Katie Atkin]

No, he didn't. He wasn't blow drying my hair out.

[Bobby Bones]

But he paid for. Did he pay for you to go and get it done?

[Katie Atkin]

Yes, well, his PR team did, but yes, he's doing that today.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes, Got it.

[Katie Atkin]

So. Yes, so because it's the blondes and the brunettes fighting it out. You know, he has the new song brunette. So, you know, I got my hair blow dried up, but then I was like, I don't want to look like a, like I come on here like a drag queen looking crazy for your thing. But then I've also got to go and sit on like I'm going on the red carpet with a Union Jack mini Spice girl dress. I got to stand out there.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, that's cool. The Unijack. That's, that's, that's what I think of for Ginger Spice. That's the.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, I'm, I am doing. Yeah, Ginger Spice.

[Bobby Bones]

I just watched a TikTok of. Is it terrible? I didn't like it. For the record, I didn't push like, but I was entertained. And it was like this dude was ranking all the Spice Girls, how hot they are now. Terrible.

[Katie Atkin]

That is terrible.

[Bobby Bones]

I watch it all.

[Katie Atkin]

I'd still watch it.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, yeah, I watch it all.

[Katie Atkin]

But that's probably sit here and do it. But we don't pit women against each other.

[Bobby Bones]

But they never showed Ginger. They were like, she's number one. But they never showed her.

[Katie Atkin]

See, I was talking to, I was talking to Cassie Ashton about this the other day right when we were younger. I think all the Girls wanted to be Baby Spice and when we're older, we're like, no, Ginger Spice was it like Ginger was cool, mouthy, sexy, hot. And we all just wanted to be Baby Spice.

[Bobby Bones]

Baby Spiced is still kind of killing it though, right?

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. Emma Bunton.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, she is killing it.

[Bobby Bones]

Do people like Victoria? Is she well liked or she just famous?

[Katie Atkin]

She is a national treasure, an icon. I think people fall in and out of love with the Beckhams all the time.

[Bobby Bones]

I think that they so famous that they can't be human.

[Katie Atkin]

No, I think she actually humanizes that. She's actually very, very funny. So I think she humanizes herself well. I think that they are like British royalty in their own way. You know, they. That they're amazing. But, like, you know, I. I think she's amazing. I hear things about him that I. I don't know. I don't know.

[Bobby Bones]

Have you seen him in person?

[Katie Atkin]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

Is he strikingly good looking?

[Katie Atkin]

I think he's had too much filler. Yeah, Sorry, David.

[Bobby Bones]

No, I can see it because I think they're. That's general, like gen pop in performance. Everybody wants to keep up and so they can look great on camera and.

[Katie Atkin]

They look odd, like Bradley Cooper.

[Bobby Bones]

I've not seen him in person.

[Katie Atkin]

He's. It's. Well, he had a chin job very early on the day. If you go back and watch Sex and City, you know, he's in Sex and the City, he has an episode with Sarah Jackson Parker where he's like playing some young guy that she's, like, running around with the clubs with. And his chin is so different to when you see him in like the hangover, like 10 years later. He had a chin job early in the game, but now he's gone too far with the filler.

[Bobby Bones]

Have you seen him in person in real life? No, but I just have seen the contrast of him.

[Katie Atkin]

I've seen pictures recently. No, I have seen him in person once in a very. In Chilton firehouse, very dimly lit, and I was like, oh, my God, this.

[Bobby Bones]

Is that like. Is that a restaurant?

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, it's like kind of like a Soho Housey kind of very. Like you always see celebrities there. I don't know what the hell I was doing there. I was probably lost. But I. Yeah, I saw him.

[Bobby Bones]

Do people think you're famous now? Do you get that at all?

[Katie Atkin]

I think if I answer this question, everyone will rinse me back.

[Bobby Bones]

That's okay.

[Katie Atkin]

You're like, that's absolutely fine. No, I would say I can't. I can't even look at you straight. My best friend, who I created the podcast with is here in the room with me, and I can't even answer this question looking at her. I think in the country scene, we're very well known. In any other scene, I'm an absolute nobody. But the country scene is. Is popping.

[Bobby Bones]

And so that's fractional fame in general, I think now. No, it's hard to be ubiquitous.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

It's hard to be just famous, but you can own an area.

[Katie Atkin]

But that's the craziest thing.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Katie Atkin]

Is that, like, I've. When we've come here, I haven't come back since the pop. Like, since the podcast has been like a thing thing. And we've come back. I got recognized on the plane. I got recognized, like, so, so many people. Places here. I'm more famous here than I am in the uk And I'm like, what the hell's that? Because a half of our audience is Nashville. Because I think that you guys want to see a British girl interviewing these stars in a completely different way. I think that's kind of like an interesting. Like what? I think it was harder when we started because when we started the podcast, it was me and Ozzy, who's in the room today. We kind of like sat on the sofa just shooting the. And I think that was less interesting to an American audience because they don't want to hear two British girls talk about country music so much because you're like, you don't know what you're talking about. Like, you don't live here. You don't breathe it. But I think as I've now gone more guest focused, I think that's interested. It's piqued the interest of the American audience a lot more because they want to see that sort of like, very strange interview they've never seen before. But do you know how the podcast started, why it started?

[Bobby Bones]

Of course I do, but tell everybody else how it started.

[Katie Atkin]

So, basically, I was getting married as engaged to a lovely, lovely guy. Still love him very dearly. But we lived in a sort of farming community. Community called Devon. It's beautiful. If you ever get the chance to go, go. And I, we were getting married in the June, and I went on my Hindu, which is a bachelorette, which someone thought I was saying. Yeah, someone thought I was saying Hindu yesterday. Like the religion.

[Bobby Bones]

That's what I would have thought, too. Like, didn't really think it's a Hindu.

[Katie Atkin]

Click, click, click.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, a hen. Like a H E N D O.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, it's two words. Hen do.

[Bobby Bones]

Got it.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. So I was like, I want to go to Nashville. Like, I love country music. Great, let's go. I've been before. Fantastic. So I come here, I do it all. I do the buses down Broadway.

[Bobby Bones]

We are got the std right? Like if you did it right.

[Katie Atkin]

No, but, you know, I can tell you something. You know that guy in. I don't know if this was at all a lie. Sometimes I think, was it all a lie? You know that guy who's in Star is Born. Who's Sam? No, Sam.

[Bobby Bones]

He has a voice like Sam Elliot.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, there you go. Sam Elliot's love child that he apparently doesn't acknowledge that he had is a dude. And he was like chatting me up and like being all like that. And so I was like, pick up line.

[Bobby Bones]

No chance.

[Katie Atkin]

Do you think that's. No chance.

[Bobby Bones]

No chance. No chance.

[Katie Atkin]

I've been done.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Katie Atkin]

Have I been happy?

[Bobby Bones]

No chance. Yeah. Yeah, there's no chance. Anyway. That's funny.

[Katie Atkin]

Anyway, so he was. He was flying away with me. There was a few crazy things going on, but generally I. Nothing, nothing untoward happened. I went home and everyone was like, who do you have sex with? Who do you have sex with? What happened? But nothing happened. I just came here and I realized, oh, my God, I have something else to do in my life. And I don't think I can do it in a tiny farming town in Devon. And it's suddenly lots of other things just like, came to my realization that I was like, I'm going to call this wedding off. So I went home.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

What?

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, Nashville broke me. So I went home, called off the wedding. It was heartbreaking. And then I. I was in a flummox, as you would be. Right. And I was like, I've got to have something positive and I've got to work in country music in some way. If I'm going to do this, I've got to make it work. And so I just went to my friend Ozzy, who we've always talked about country music and like girl group chats. I said, look, I think there's a gap. We don't seem. We have a lot of like, legendary media talking to art in a very normal way. There's not many female presenters, like, why don't we just start country music podcast and see what happens. And I think Ozzy looked at me and was just like, I'm just going to entertain this because she's obviously going through something. I will sit and talk with her. And this is going to go, we might get the odd free gig ticket. Like, that was it. And I have just ever since really been like a dog with a bone. It's been a passion project. It's been a project out of heartbreak. And it just started working and we just got an amazing response straight away with the guests. We started to be able to go and see, get the. The response from the girls in the uk who were like, finally a voice for women in the uk, and it's just gone absolutely nuts. And here we are, and I'm blown up behind you. It's just. It's absolutely bananas. But it just shows, I think, that if you. I mean, I'm 35, I'm not a young spring chicken. Like, the fact that I'm, like, known as kind of like the crazy new hot young. Maybe just call myself hot. The crazy, like, new thing. Young thing and I'm 35 shows you how old the market was really in the uk, even, like five years ago for country music. Like, I'm kind of known as like, crazy young thing. And it's like, that should, you know, most other places that would have. Person would have to be like, 21 or something. So the fact that, like, you can do something at. I was, you know, 33, about to be engaged, living in the country, was going to have kids next year, and I went, no, and you can do it and it can happen. I just say to everyone, like, if you've got that passion project or you've got something, you see a gap in the market for, just go for it. Just go for it. It might flop. Who cares?

[Bobby Bones]

Are you making money now?

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, we've. We've started. We've got, like, an agent. Things are happening. But we definitely think that, like, the sweet spot for our podcast is actually brands in America who want to break the UK market. Like, that's the sweet spot for people reaching the right audience for us, like, there's brands in the UK who do great things and, like, you know, we work with YETI a lot, we're working with Dolly Wines, like, things like that. But I think any brand that wants to break the UK market that has a kind of Western feel to it or even just as like an American, like, you know, when High Noon. High Noon just launched in the uk, like last year, like, you know, Russell has the song with the High noon and the line. Everyone, like, who's a country fan is like, oh, I'll have a High Noon now. Like, that's the perfect sort of thing for how we hit both markets.

[Bobby Bones]

The Bobbycast. We'll be right back.

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[Bobby Bones]

This is the Bobby cast. Who's your favorite all time country artist?

[Katie Atkin]

I'm very excited if I get to talk to Kelsey Ballerini tonight. Like, I really like the fact that she's opened up the like conversation for women about the questioning of whether, you know, she should be having kids right now or whether she should focus on her career. Very coded to what I just explained about me calling off my life and doing this. Like, I love the conversations that she opens. I mean, she's probably one of my favorites to listen to. We were listening to subject to change this morning when we were trying to get out of our Broadway hangover. Being like, you know, I'm up, I'm down, I'm subject to change. You know, if you're going down, I'm going down too. We also said that to each other today when we looked at each other going, God, if this goes badly today on the carpet, if you go down, I'm going down too. So I do love Kelsey to interview, though. I'm trying to think who I would love to interview who I haven't interviewed already. I really like that Morgan Wallen does lean into the dry humor interviews. Like he's done that stuff with Theo and stuff like that. I do like that. I really want to get Bailey Zimmerman. I think me and Bailey Zimmerman in a room could be crazy. There could be back flips. We could swing in on ropes. You know, we'd just drive off into the distance in one of his massive four by fours.

[Bobby Bones]

He just bought a Lamborghini.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, I saw that Josh Ross. You did Josh Ross the other day, didn't you? Josh Ross told me that he would. Bailey would pick a car over a girl anytime.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, yeah. Bailey's like my favorite person.

[Katie Atkin]

Really?

[Bobby Bones]

Person? Like, like people. Yes.

[Katie Atkin]

Really?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, we just grew up very similar and so, like, I kind of get it.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And so, yeah, I. I love Bailey.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

If Bailey went to jail, hopefully he would call me. Like, it's one of those where I'd be like, I'll come get you and we'll fix it.

[Katie Atkin]

He wouldn't be calling me. He'd be sat next to me in the cell.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, yeah. You'll like Bailey a lot. That's probably you guys together. Probably too much, though. Like someone.

[Katie Atkin]

Someone would be in jail. Someone would die.

[Bobby Bones]

That'd be. It'd be a lot because he has that energy all the time. Yeah, he's great. Great, great kid.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Just I've. What I just beat into him is do not get anybody pregnant.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

Do not.

[Katie Atkin]

I will not be giving him the same.

[Bobby Bones]

Especially Katie. Did not get Katie pregnant. So. Hey, what's up now?

[Katie Atkin]

That would be such a good storyline for the podcast, though. Come on, Bailey, get me pregnant.

[Bobby Bones]

So you and this. This Sam Elliott guy, you didn't do anything?

[Katie Atkin]

No, no. I think he was like married or something. Nothing. He was just flattened away, being annoying, being silly and natural.

[Bobby Bones]

And his. His line to come on to you was Sam Elliott's love child that he doesn't know about.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes. And I was like, oh, my.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you think actually Sam Elliott's love child use that as a line?

[Katie Atkin]

Does Sam Elliot have a love child?

[Bobby Bones]

I. I don't know. I don't know.

[Katie Atkin]

Not one he acknowledges anyway. But no. Yeah, he used that as a line. 100. But I like you. You see a girl, a British girl in a veil in Nashville. It was crazy. You know, you get a lot. Yeah, it was crazy. But it wasn't about that. It was. I honestly, hand on heart, it wasn't about that. It was about me going. You just know. It's a gut feeling. And it's funny. When you do a project, I'm sure you know this all the time. Like, when you do something that doesn't fit and doesn't feel right or doesn't. It doesn't work. It just doesn't work. When something works, all the doors start going. Yes, because you're on the right path. Like, something in the universe was telling me, you got to do this, and since we started it, it's just gone. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I mean, we were at the backstage of the Opry last night, and I just. I was just crying every. We were taking intense to cry. Like, it's just like. It can't. We can't believe we got to where we've got to. It just feels like magic's in the air for this podcast and this time and country booming and just. Yeah, everything. It's amazing.

[Bobby Bones]

You like Carrie?

[Katie Atkin]

Love Carrie.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Katie Atkin]

We'd love to interview Carrie, actually. Apparently, she's a hoot.

[Bobby Bones]

I think Carrie gets a raw deal on the Internet because she's very shy until she's on a microphone and then she's great.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

But, you know, you'll see things like, Carrie was at the mall and she wasn't nice. I've never known Carrie to not be nice, but I have known Carrie to be extremely introverted, and I think I'm extremely introverted. Like, when I'm not on, I'm not on. And there are people be like, man, what a dick. And it's. That's not the case. I feel like nobody really wants me to talk, so I don't talk.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I think Carrie is the victim of that sometimes.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Where people will say, well, I saw her and she was not super nice.

[Katie Atkin]

Anxiety.

[Bobby Bones]

She is. She's awesome.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. So I.

[Katie Atkin]

It's. It's so tiring to be, like, from the small, small bit of, like, people knowing who we are in the uk. When I go to a gig, it's not like I go to a gig and I sit down and enjoy it. And I sometimes think to myself, I ruined every country gig in the UK for the rest of life. My. In my life, because I can't just go. If someone says, hey, oh, my God, girls in the places, I am like, hi, how are you? Like, I really want to be lovely to everyone because of that fear. And it means that you can really run your energy into a ground, especially I Feel like. Because we lead with chaos optically, because that's what we want to do.

[Bobby Bones]

People probably expect it from you all the time.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes. But also it means that, like, we were like, you know, we couldn't get an Uber today. It was a little bit difficult because it's CMA day and we're like, 10 minutes late. And I'm thinking, oh, God, like, I don't want to look like. Because we promote chaos. I always want to be on time early, like, ready to go. Super professional. Because, like, half our brand is chaos. But I also want to be that person who's respectful. And so it means that, like, I can run myself into the ground of losing energy around an event even before I've even interviewed anyone. Like, and I find that's really tiring because as a people pleaser and you just want to. Yeah. Especially in the start of something. You want to like everyone to like you. And I think I need to maybe just be a little bit because I can get really tired before I'm even gonna go on that carpet tonight. Because I just want everyone to be like, they're doing something good, and then they're respectful and nice and. And I'm sure that happens with. I can't imagine the fame on that level of Carrie, of how much anxiety that would feel. Feed into. And then you.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, then you just don't go out.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Right.

[Katie Atkin]

Or she'd, like, be super. The anxiety blares up more if people saying, I'm mean to everyone. Oh, God, how am I acting? What am I doing? Am I looking mean now? Have I got a mean, resting bitch face? Like, what's going on? You would just spin in your own head. It must be awful.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's the house that she built. I think she handles it well. But she. If you do read those stories, I find them to be wholly inaccurate about her. I think she's great, and it's not like her and I have this crazy close relationship, but we have spent a little time together outside of.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Just this type of environment.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

But there's some really great people. When I moved here, I thought, I don't want to be friends with anybody because I want to not have bias when talking about situation. I really avoided that.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, so you don't friends. You don't make friends with All I.

[Bobby Bones]

Do now because they're just great people. There's some great people, but forever, I. My goal was to make no friends so I could talk bad about people. And it wasn't just to talk bad. But I didn't want to not. I didn't want to, like, pull punches. Do you have that phrase, pull punches, Pull punches?

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I didn't want to, like, not go at something that I wanted to go at because I had a personal relationship with that small. But then there were people that I would meet and I would go, oh, they're just awesome. Why am I keeping myself from that relationship?

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

One of my best friends is Brett Eldridge. Like, he's like, you know my guy. Dirks Bentley. Excellent. Like, there's some really great people. So when I led this, I was like, there's some terrible people. There are. But there are also some really wonderful people here. It's. It's. It's a little bizarre, though, because you never know, especially here with new art or just people in the industry. With me, I never know what they want from me.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, okay.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, do they want to be on the podcast? Do they want to be on the radio show? Do they want me to. You know, so there's always you.

[Katie Atkin]

Do you want to, like, sort of, like, tread carefully?

[Bobby Bones]

I don't tread at all. There's a. There's a big barrier. Yeah. No, I don't. No new friends.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Katie Atkin]

No new friends.

[Bobby Bones]

Not really. I'm good now.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm full up.

[Katie Atkin]

I feel like I just don't want to be that girl who's, like, hanging on or like, that. Like that, like, you know, that groupie.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm jealous that you get to enjoy it with. With excitement because you're not here. That's cool. Yeah.

[Katie Atkin]

I'm a baby bird.

[Bobby Bones]

That's super fun that you get to, like, just enjoy it for what it's supposed to be. Yeah. Awesome entertainment.

[Katie Atkin]

That's what I love most about, like, ultimately, I'm a fan girl. Like, and we get to do that with our podcast. Like, we get to do the cool, fun media interview, but we also get to do it from the POV of, like. Like, we're just. I'm just a man girl who's, like, excited to be here, and we get to, like, play both sides of that coin, which I think is what podcasting does so interestingly. Like, and it's why it's. You know, it feels relatable in a way that the traditional interview or traditional radio maybe didn't feel, or it did to a certain point, but the podcasting opens something completely different.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Long form allows much more intimacy.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

That's super cool.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

How long do you guys. How long are you here?

[Katie Atkin]

I haven't Actually booked my flight home yet.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, so you're staying. You're looking for Sam Elliott's love child again?

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[Bobby Bones]

You're here to. You're on the search?

[Katie Atkin]

I. Yeah, I mean, I. Look, I. I would love to.

[Bobby Bones]

Would you move here?

[Katie Atkin]

It's interesting, that one, because I, I. Obviously, everyone's dream in the UK who's a country fan is to move to Nashville. Like, that's like a pipe dream for everyone. I don't know if this market would, like. I. I think it's. I found it quite intense. I'm such a fan that, like, to be doing some of the things we're doing is. Is crazy. And I don't know if I would lose my marbles living here. I quite like the groundedness of the British market because they, you know, they slap me back down and say, get back to reality, or with some dry humor or whatever. It is. Like, it's kind of. It's kind of the charm. And I think, like, we've got such a good thing going on in the uk, but I think I might be swallowed whole here. And they'll be like, oh, just another.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't think you should move here. I think you have more value. Not here.

[Katie Atkin]

Interesting.

[Bobby Bones]

I think you have far more value. Not here. What's interesting about you is that you're not here and that you don't sound like people from here and you didn't grow up like people that are here. Yeah, I think that's. That's why I was interested. I was watching you guys clubs. I just DM'd you and I was like, hey, you guys are doing a great job.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, I normally. I nearly fainted when that happened.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, you've said that like three times. You walk in like. I knew. Is that your. Is that your. Your stick? Like, you were always about to die or pee or faint or something.

[Katie Atkin]

Pee.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, whatever. It's always like, something like, I'm about to cry. I'm about to pee, or what?

[Katie Atkin]

I mean, I'm just like. Like, it's just overwhelming. Like, I'm. It's not my thing. I'm not like, hey, guys, I'm about to pee all the time. I just. It's just. I can't believe it. I can't believe I'm sat here. I've gone into a different part of my brain to be able to cope and sit here and actually make full sentences. This feels like I'm in a fever dream and I need to wake up, but I'm nep. I'M not waking up. And I think it's getting worse as well.

[Bobby Bones]

I think that's the value. And I think if you moved here, you wouldn't have that anymore.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, I would get maybe a bit more like you. As in, like, I would see how the sausage was made. I don't want to see how the sausage made. Keep the sausages away.

[Bobby Bones]

Everybody that's like, that's me. You just hate everybody. Like, you hate everybody to start, and then they have to, like, earn, like.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, so you like.

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You.

[Katie Atkin]

You hate everyone. And then if they shock you, you're like, okay.

[Bobby Bones]

Entertainment wise.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, okay.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. It's like, who's your favorite artist? What capacity?

[Katie Atkin]

Just generally to listen to musically.

[Bobby Bones]

If I did, I'll just do my Mount Rushmore. John Mayer. Casey Musgraves.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

County Crows.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, okay. What's Casey like? I'd love to. I'd love to speak to Casey.

[Bobby Bones]

She won't let me interview her.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, well, she won't let me interview her either. So that makes two of us.

[Bobby Bones]

I love Casey. So Casey and I got into a huge fight when I first moved here.

[Katie Atkin]

No.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And it was on me at this point.

[Katie Atkin]

What did you do?

[Bobby Bones]

No, I'm. I was a bull in a china shop.

[Katie Atkin]

Well, I did hear you put up posters saying, bigger. What did you do?

[Bobby Bones]

I bought billboards. You bought? Yeah, like street.

[Katie Atkin]

Get Bobby out of Nashville.

[Bobby Bones]

Maybe the British interpretation is that. But no, it was go away, Bobby Bones.

[Katie Atkin]

So good.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I was. I was so clever. I moved here, and there's two types of. There's two types of actual country people. There's cowboys and there's trailer. Trailer park. And I was trailer park. There's like.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Right.

[Katie Atkin]

There's like.

[Bobby Bones]

There's, like, redneck white trash and there's cowboy. The problem that I ran into when I moved here was I was so unapologetic, not a cowboy, and I wasn't going to fake being a cowboy.

[Katie Atkin]

You're not cosplaying none. You weren't doing the escapism that the UK is when we all turn up in cowboy hats at the gigs.

[Bobby Bones]

And I was being told by, like, consultants or the industry, like, you're not one of us.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And my tendency is, okay, I'm really not one of you then. And so I was out of control. I was a. I had. I had knives out. I was attacking anything that I felt at all was coming at me. It was a really difficult three or four years. Anyway.

[Katie Atkin]

You threatened Casey Musgrave with a knife.

[Bobby Bones]

Not not literally. We had a moment during the CMA interviews when I used to do those. And now I understand. Casey's just quiet. It's like the Carrie thing.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And I took it as one thing, like, oh, she's not being very nice. It absolutely wasn't that.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

It was her personality. Met my knives out.

[Katie Atkin]

Yep, yep, yep.

[Bobby Bones]

And I just went on the air and was just like, I would with 10 other people, just eviscerate people, and would be like, this sucks. I've since said I. I was completely in the wrong and sorry. And I've even seen her and was like, hey, I'm really sorry about that. And she was like, oh, man, we're all good. We're all good. But she doesn't do a lot of interviews anyway.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So I don't think, like, she's avoiding me.

[Katie Atkin]

No. She's just kind of like, doesn't. I don't want to say. Doesn't need to. But there are some stars who, like, are just focusing on the music, what they want to do, and they don't want to do the press, and that's.

[Bobby Bones]

And it makes them cooler by not doing anything. If you can commit to not doing anything.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

So Casey's my case is my favorite.

[Katie Atkin]

Like, love Casey.

[Bobby Bones]

So she's my. And then probably someone like a. Do you know, Ben Folds is Ben Folds. I just like instruments. And I think that's why I like country music.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

I like acoustic guitars and pianos.

[Katie Atkin]

Right. Yes. It's simplicity.

[Bobby Bones]

Very much so. And so. But I grew up in a very rural Arkansas town, trailer park type situation. Moved here, and I was playing some hip hop on the, you know, on the country station. I was just still myself. I never changed. And it wasn't met warmly by this. By this area, because I just wasn't part of the system. And then when they told me I wasn't part of the system and I wasn't going to survive, that's when I really got angry with the system.

[Katie Atkin]

And.

[Bobby Bones]

And it's revisionist history. I showed up and everything was great. Now everything's great. Yeah. But it definitely wasn't for a long time. And so I bought billboards in the city that had no attachment to me that said, go away, Bobby Bones. For the simple reason of. I wanted people to either go, who is Bobby Bones? Or why are they picking on Bobby Bones? Or I agree, those three reasons.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Never said anything about it. And then until I wrote my first book, nobody knew for years. It's brilliant now. It is. It was risky yeah. Risky at the time.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Expensive at the time.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, I bet.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. It's before I was rich.

[Katie Atkin]

I mean, I did walk into this house today, and I nearly fainted.

[Bobby Bones]

I make it you nearly peed as you fainted.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes, I peed. Nearly peed in your pool.

[Bobby Bones]

How many CMAs have you been to? How many awards?

[Katie Atkin]

How many CMA awards have I been to? Zero.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, this first one.

[Katie Atkin]

This is the first one I need to hear about. First one's awesome.

[Bobby Bones]

First one's awesome. Second and third one. It gets the tv. The commercials suck at a live event.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. Someone said something about it, but I know it's awesome.

[Bobby Bones]

Number one is it's always so much fun because the performances are cool. It's just like a television taping. They're just slow and clunky in real life.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Because of how they have to be presented on television.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. I. I have heard that. I'm a little bit worried about this L. So I bumped into Kelly Sutton last night, and she was amazing.

[Bobby Bones]

She's awesome.

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[Katie Atkin]

I mean, she's doing it.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you see it? The. Aubrey.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. Yeah. She was. Yeah. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Is that what you're talking about? You saw her at the Opry?

[Katie Atkin]

Yes.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Katie Atkin]

And then I think half the words.

[Bobby Bones]

You say, I'm just kind of guessing what they are. I'm gonna be honest, because I don't know sometimes. And I'm just like, well, based on the six words I understood, I think this is what she meant. Then I just go. So if you've noticed, at times I've been a bit disconnected. Like, maybe I haven't responded to exactly what you said. It's a little bit of me just taking most of it and guessing.

[Katie Atkin]

We're gonna have to have some sort of, like, translation underneath or, like, some sort of, like. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I love Kelly, too.

[Katie Atkin]

Absolutely. She's been a really big champion of our podcast and, like, what we're doing for the female listenership. So, like, I. Jador. But she gave me some interesting tips that were interesting information that no one else had given us, by the way, which I think I was like, oh, interesting that no one else gave us that information. But Kelly is a. She's a real one. She gave us the information that the red carpet is, like, an L. And, like, you have some people that will walk here. So let's say a Luke Combs or someone who's huge. Right. They'll walk here, and then they'll just keep walking into the venue, and then there'll still be loads of, like, let More junior press on the other side of the L. So, like, they will only do like, you know, the top big broadcast. Yeah, the top seven. And then they'll go. So little old me, me, who will be probably by the toilets or, you know, somewhere by the bins over here. Because we're very.

[Bobby Bones]

In the toilet.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, in the toilet. Well, I'll be needed to pee the whole time, so. So I'll be there and I'm probably gonna get. Not the people that maybe I was hoping for when we felt. But, you know, you never know. If I'm in that Union Jack dress, they might have put me next to cnn. I don't know. We're just gonna see it, wing it, and just try and, you know, get people's attention the whole time by doing that. I'm wearing a big coat. I'm not going to be like this.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, in America, that's breasts. I don't know what you were doing, but it looked like you were flashing.

[Katie Atkin]

Well, I flashed Tucker Wetmore, and I'm quite famous for that. But that's. That was when I came for the CMA Fest story was. If you haven't listened to the episode, Tucker wasn't huge yet. He was kind of like just on the up. But I'd seen him and I knew that, hey, he was super hot. But also that, like, the song was amazing. Wind up missing you was just kind of coming out. And I was in a box next to him at the CMA Awards. And I noticed I just got tickets through, like, someone had just said, hey, great, come here. My produce videographer in Nashville, he was like, this is through my work. Like, behave, Katie. And we were like, on like day four or five of a bender. Like, I was drinking just to stay alive. So we were there in this box. I see Tucker Wetmore is like on the other side of this glass. And I go, oh, my God, that's Tucker Wetmore. I love him. And I went like this. I went, heart, hands. Love you, Tucker. And he went back, he went, love you, Tucker. But then I was pissed, as in I was drunk. So I was like, love. I sort of just like emulated a flash. I was like, yeah. And then he turned around and he mooned me, like, to pull his trousers down and was like, woo. And I was like, oh, my God, what a perfect moment. And my other cool Nashville friends were like, this is a work invite, Katie. This is outrageous. You can't do this. So I was like, oh, my God. Okay, right, I'll sit down. But anyway, six months pass. Tucker comes over to C2C Festival, which is a huge country music festival in the O2 in London. And I was thinking, there's no way. We have, like, a crazy interview with him anyway. But then there's no way that this guy's gonna remember this moment, especially now that he's got really quite big. And I was going. I just suddenly stopped in the interview, and I went, tucker, you know, we've actually met before. I was at the cma. It was at CMA Fest. I was in the box, and he literally just turns in this interview and goes, you flashed me. That was you, like. And he was like, I turned to my buddy, and I couldn't believe it. I said, that girl just flashed me. Like. So we now have, like, this whole thing, this whole backstory of, like, me flashing him. So I've got a big coat on tonight, and I'm gonna hold it together. And then when he walks over, I'm gonna go like that, and I'm obviously gonna have a dress on underneath. Don't worry. But, like, you know, just, you know, keep the gag, gang. That's. I like that about the podcasting and being a personality within it and not being just like, a media outlet. Like, you get to continue the storyline. Like, with Riley Green tonight, he's probably gonna see me and want to run the other direction, which is great. It's all for the storyline. And if I don't get Riley because he's not walking down the right L of the.

[Bobby Bones]

Are you for sure you're at the back? Do you know your side?

[Katie Atkin]

I'm just. I'm just guessing. I don't know. I mean, we've been invited by the international side of the cma, so they want us to cover this. I hope otherwise.

[Bobby Bones]

You're right, though. They do put. They do layers.

[Katie Atkin]

There's always going to be a hierarchy. And I realize we are at the gutter.

[Bobby Bones]

I. I don't think that's true, but. Because I do think it's interesting that you guys are here, and I think they'll want to have that exposure. I think if I were to give you advice, you didn't ask for it, so I'm for sure gonna give it to.

[Katie Atkin]

No. Give it to me. I'm a sponge.

[Bobby Bones]

Because I've done both, right? I've worked it and walked it. Worked it as the person that was working it. I always felt like the artist was always looking around because they had to go to something else, and they never knew how long I was gonna hold them.

[Katie Atkin]

Okay, so Do I tell them at the beginning? Like I'm gonna ask you three questions.

[Bobby Bones]

That's exactly what you do.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, what a great tip.

[Bobby Bones]

It doesn't have to be so. But you need to let them know what your expectation is from them because they are limited and they're bouncing place to place. Same when I. Because I would always go to the back of the L. What you call it the L because I would do the few and then I would go.

[Katie Atkin]

When you're walking.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, when I'm at. When. If I was promoting something or like at the acms, I'm part of that broadcast.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes. Yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So I'll go walk the carpet. And I would always spend extra time at the back. And so what's easiest is when they kind of let me know the expectation because then I can give them full everything and not have to worry they're going to get keep me for longer than. Yeah, so that would be the only tip that I would give you.

[Katie Atkin]

Okay, so I'm gonna go look, we're gonna do three questions and I want you to do a little dance and.

[Bobby Bones]

Then they won't be looking around like just to see if they're missing anything or, or if they're going extra long. Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

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[Bobby Bones]

And we're back on the Bobby cast. Okay, I have, like, two other questions. You know who I like? Mr. Bean.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, my God.

[Bobby Bones]

Rowan Atkinson.

[Katie Atkin]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Bobby Bones]

You need. No, no, I don't like him anymore.

[Katie Atkin]

No, you love him. I have to tell you, I look like Mr. Bean. I think he's related to me.

[Bobby Bones]

Are you his illegitimate love child?

[Katie Atkin]

That's what I use when I go to the bars. That's how I get my money.

[Bobby Bones]

You don't look like Rowan. You don't look like.

[Katie Atkin]

I look so much like Ronak. I'm pull up a picture of me dressed as Mr. Bean and you're going to be like, Jesus Christ.

[Bobby Bones]

We're going to put a split up in this clip. This is her picture. Look into the camera, please. And here is Mr. Bean. You be the judge. Oh, you're doing now. You can't do the face. You can't do the face. The impression. You can't do the impression. That's unfair.

[Katie Atkin]

The reason why I think I'm related to him is actually quite legitimate because my name is Katie Atkin. His name is Rowan Atkinson. Now, back in the day.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, I didn't think about that.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, Atkin. It means son of Adam. Kin of Adam. So if there was a slur. Not slur. If there was a mistake in a census or something back in the day, and they did Atkinson. Because they're doing Son of Adam. Kin of Adam. So Rowan Atkinson and Katie Atkin could be related to each other, but there was just like a. Some sort of slip up and then it was, you know, it just then went on.

[Bobby Bones]

So is this a joke or do you honestly think there could be some I from.

[Katie Atkin]

I genuinely think there could be some connection because my dad looks a bit Mr. Beanie. My granddad looks Mr. Beanie. I'm not Mr. Bean's love child that I know of.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I like him.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, I love him. Love, love, love.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

No.

[Katie Atkin]

God, I don't think. I don't know. The world might end if we were in the same room.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, final thing. The difference between the UK and England go.

[Katie Atkin]

England is a country. We then have. Scotland is another country. God, I'm not a geography girl. Northern Ireland is another country. And that is. And Wales. And Wales is another country that is.

[Bobby Bones]

The uk, but not Ireland.

[Katie Atkin]

And then we have Ireland. No. So this is some history here that I'm linked to. My mum is Northern Irish. Okay. So she was in. She lived. Grew up in the troubles in Ireland and Northern Ireland. And so it's Catholics and Protestants. There was a lot of terrorism. Awful things that happened in, like, the 80s. They. There's, you know, not as much contention now. They're separate Northern Ireland islands, part of the uk. Ireland is Ireland.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Katie Atkin]

So, yeah. United Kingdom is. Are united kingdoms and then islands separate. So if you go to. I. When I go to Ireland, I actually find it feels a lot like Boston. It feels a bit American, more so than normal.

[Bobby Bones]

I went to Ireland.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. How did. What, did you like it? I love it.

[Bobby Bones]

It's a terrible, terrible decision for me.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh.

[Bobby Bones]

Because I was finishing a book and I really needed to get time zoned away so I wouldn't be on the same time zone with here. So, like, emails would come. So I wanted to go somewhere and it was like the closest far place.

[Katie Atkin]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So I got on a plane and I flew to Dublin. Never been there. I don't drink and I'm by myself in Dublin. There was nothing else to do.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. A little Guinness.

[Bobby Bones]

Everything is drink, drink, drink.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So there was no. Yeah, for me. Yeah. I did. I wrote. I got on a tour bus, one of those double deckers, and I went to a castle. And it wasn't even a castle. It was like a small village house.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

That had a pointy top.

[Katie Atkin]

I. If you go to Northern Ireland with me, I could show you a lot of amazing places, like giants, causeways, beautiful walks. Ireland has so much to offer.

[Bobby Bones]

I wanted to see Game of Thrones.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And I wasn't at all.

[Katie Atkin]

John's Causeway is kind of like Game of Thrones Z vibes, I think. Like, you know, any. Any city like Dublin city. Quite. Yeah. It's a touristy city. It's kind of like coming to Nashville and not.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, very much so. It felt. It felt.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Katie Atkin]

There's beautiful places. But if you knew someone who was from Dublin, they could probably take you some amazing places. But as an. It's difficult when you come as an English person and you go to Times Square. You know, it's like my friends in New York were like, what the hell are you doing? But you do it. You go and see the, you know, do the ferry, you do all that stuff. And everyone's like, oh, My God.

[Bobby Bones]

I basically went to the Statue of Liberty in Dublin and went back to my room.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes, exactly. That's what you did.

[Bobby Bones]

Congratulations on everything. It's so good to meet you, too.

[Katie Atkin]

Yeah, no, I'm honestly thrilled.

[Bobby Bones]

Super, super cool. I hope you guys continue just. I don't move here.

[Katie Atkin]

No. Okay. Like, you want to keep an ocean between us, Bobby?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Yes. Come. If you. When you should come, though, you should, like, yeah, professionally make two times a year or so to come, because I think you're gonna gather so much. But if you come here, I think it loses the value of.

[Katie Atkin]

Yes, I agree. It's quite nice to do, like, a disruptive interview here. Like, as in, like, I could out of the blue, because I. Because obviously we know who's coming to the UK. So then people be like, oh, when Ashley McBride comes, girls in low places are probably going to do her. So they can kind of expect what guests we're going to have. It'd be quite nice to be able to come here every, like, two, three months and then, like, just do someone that. They're like, what the hell? They got that person. I would never expect that. So that. I would really love to do that. And, like, yeah, we. We love it here. I'm never gonna not love it here, but I think I would be mad if I lived here. And I respect you think that, though.

[Bobby Bones]

But then you just get tired, then it's just like.

[Katie Atkin]

Or I might be, like, more. I'd be less of a fangirl, as you say.

[Bobby Bones]

A fine girl.

[Katie Atkin]

Fangirl.

[Bobby Bones]

Got me.

[Katie Atkin]

I'm a fine girl.

[Bobby Bones]

All right, Katie, good to see you.

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