BOBBYCAST -  Old Crow Medicine Show’s Ketch Secor and Molly Tuttle on Wagon Wheel

Summary

The Bobby Bones Show: Bobbycast – Ketch Secor & Molly Tuttle on Wagon Wheel

Date: April 7, 2026
Guests: Ketch Secor (Old Crow Medicine Show), Molly Tuttle
Host: Bobby Bones

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Episode Overview

This Bobbycast brings together Ketch Secor of Old Crow Medicine Show and bluegrass virtuoso Molly Tuttle – who are both celebrated artists and now engaged – for a lively, heartfelt exploration of their personal journeys, musical upbringings, songwriting technique, the legendary "Wagon Wheel," bluegrass’s place in the mainstream, and memorable stories about musical heroes. The episode flows with playful banter, honest reflections, and deep dives into the American roots tradition, all colored by tangible respect and admiration among the guests.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Stories & How They Met

[07:42]

• First Meeting: Molly and Ketch met when Molly opened for Old Crow Medicine Show at the Ryman Auditorium. Friendship deepened when they toured together, rehearsing often.
• Becoming a Couple: During the pandemic, Ketch confessed his feelings for Molly, describing his affection as overwhelming and transformative.

  “The kind of love that I was feeling...was like, whoa, I don’t think this is going away. And it was achy, too. Like, it wasn’t just, I really like this gal. We’d be so great together. It was like, a little painful...”
  – Ketch Secor [09:52]

• Letter Writing & Courtship: After their respective breakups, Ketch wrote Molly a heartfelt, multi-page letter delivered just 1.8 miles away.

  “I’m a letter writer...when I get a pencil, I really start talking.”
  – Ketch Secor [12:37]

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2. Musical Upbringing, Practice, and Drive

[19:36] – [23:13]

• Molly’s Family: Grew up in a musical household, playing in a family band with her dad (a bluegrass teacher) and brothers.
• Nature vs. Nurture: Both Molly and Ketch reflect on whether musical talent is inherited or learned, agreeing it’s a blend and adding the idea of “soul selection.”

  “I think there’s another component, which is, did your soul get selected to be brought into the world of entertainment?”
  – Ketch Secor [25:00]

• Burnout & Motivation: Molly struggled as a child with burnout from pressure—practiced guitar two hours a day for self-improvement, connection with her dad, and self-confidence.
• Ketch’s Early Experiences: Exposed to folk traditions early, notably inspired by John Hartford in first grade and driven by a sense of wanderlust.

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3. Musical Styles, Techniques, and Affirmation

[18:00] – [29:56]

• Guitar Techniques:
  • Clawhammer Guitar: Adapted from old-time banjo playing, creates a rhythmic, percussive sound. Molly learned it inspired by Gillian Welch.
  • Flatpicking: Fast, intricate picking style quintessential to bluegrass, used by greats like Tony Rice and Doc Watson.
• Affirmation: Both share stories of their first public musical “wins.” For Molly, it was nailing a solo at a music camp. Ketch found affirmation in the Young Singers of Missouri and busking.

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4. Songwriting, Inspiration & "Wagon Wheel" Origin Story

[49:16] – [54:54], [62:19]

• The Story Behind “Wagon Wheel”:
  • Ketch came across a bootleg cassette of an unfinished Bob Dylan chorus “Rock Me, Mama,” acquired via a friend in London.
  • Drawing inspiration from rewriting and adapting traditional material, he finished the song at age 17, making it autobiographical (references New Hampshire's motto “Live free or die”).
  • Busked the song for years before it became an Old Crow standard and later a hit with Darius Rucker.

    “If I hadn’t have been a songwriter in my teenage years, you know, I wouldn’t have messed with this thing. […] I finished the song. I wrote it. It was good. It was instantly memorable to me.”
    – Ketch Secor [00:11], [51:05]

  • Songwriting Credit: The official co-write is 50/50 with Dylan, although Dylan later claimed his inspiration came from Arthur Crudup, who learned it from Big Bill Broonzy—a musical lineage stretching to the 1920s.
• The Spell of Song:

  “I know that there is magic in this world because ‘Rock me, Mama like a wagon wheel’ is a spell.”
  – Ketch Secor [64:14]

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5. Bluegrass in the Mainstream

[66:57] – [69:51], [73:35]

• The Bluegrass Boom: Both artists note a marked expansion of bluegrass audiences in the last five years—larger, more diverse crowds post-pandemic, and greater mainstream recognition.

  “Just seeing 10,000 people singing along with a Bill Monroe song from the 1950s is so cool.”
  – Molly Tuttle [67:52] “It’s a really amazing power that American music traditions have of coming back up, bubbling back up to the surface again…I agree it’s happening right now, very much so.”
  – Ketch Secor [67:54]

• Genre Boundaries: Molly discusses the tension between genre purists (who claim her work isn’t bluegrass enough) and broader audiences who see her music as bluegrass.

  “I think in the bluegrass world, they’re a little more closed…But then people outside of bluegrass call it bluegrass, so that’s something I’ve always sort of ran into.”
  – Molly Tuttle [74:32]

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6. Heroes, Meeting Influences, and “Don’t Meet Your Idols?”

[77:42] – [83:07]

• Ketch’s Heroes:
  • Met Merle Haggard through Marty Stuart (who helped Old Crow break out in Nashville).
  • Has not met Bob Dylan but once received a compliment via Dylan's manager:

    “He said, ‘Oh, crow…you guys are killing it.’ That was enough for me.”
    – Ketch Secor [57:08]

• Molly’s Heroes:
  • Met Joni Mitchell briefly backstage at the Grammys:

    “She was just super nice, although it was, like, super brief. And then I just handed her the Grammy. I was like, ‘Yay.’”
    – Molly Tuttle [82:04]

  • Hopes to meet Joan Baez, a hometown hero in Palo Alto.
• Bobby’s Reflections: Bobby shares his own stories of meeting (and avoiding) musical heroes (esp. Adam Duritz of Counting Crows), and how expectations shape those encounters.

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7. Psychics, Magic, and Identity

[41:03] – [47:42]

• The trio debates the legitimacy of psychics, ghosts, and aliens—skeptical but open-minded.
• Molly shares a visit to a psychic who told her she’d be “one of the most powerful witches of all time,” linking the concept to creative magic:

  “What if your powers are your music? …What if, like, our magic is like the art we create?”
  – Bobby Bones [47:10]

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8. Touring, Career Growth, and Playing with Marty Stuart

[74:50] – [77:02]

• Molly’s Upcoming Tour: Excitement about her “Guitars on Fire” tour with Marty Stuart, putting together an acoustic trio and anticipating collaborations with Marty’s band.
• Nashville Performance Anxiety: Both Molly and Ketch discuss why playing in Nashville can be especially intimidating.

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9. Notable Quotes & Moments

• “There’s only, like, two people I’m intimidated by – dentists and bluegrass players, for the record.”
  – Bobby Bones [01:18]
• “For an Arkansan, that’s kind of rare, because most people from your state, you let them know we’re from here…Not as much as Texans, to be fair.”
  – Bobby & Ketch Secor [07:06]
• “All my friends were either moving to New York or Nashville, and…I just assumed I would move to Nashville because all the music I listened to, all my favorite artists lived there.”
  – Molly Tuttle [64:31]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [07:42] – How Molly and Ketch met
• [18:00] – [19:36] – Guitar techniques: Clawhammer and flatpicking
• [19:36] – [21:47] – Musical upbringing, practice routines, family bands
• [25:00] – [26:16] – "Soul selection" and the calling of music
• [49:16] – [54:54] – The true story of “Wagon Wheel”
• [62:19] – [63:52] – Songwriting split, the song’s lineage
• [66:57] – [69:51] – Bluegrass’s mainstream surge and tradition
• [77:42] – [83:07] – Meeting heroes, memorable celebrity encounters
• [45:15] – [47:45] – The psychic/witch story on Molly's birthday

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Tone, Vibe, and Memorable Moments

• Vibe: Playful, self-deprecating, and often philosophical, blending the technical with the personal.
• Personal Connections: Molly’s birthday is revealed mid-show [46:47]; Ketch proposes music is a form of real-world magic; everyone laughs over the intimidation factor of bluegrass music versus dentists.
• Mutual Admiration: Both guest musicians express authentic respect for each other’s skills and journey, with Molly giving credit to Ketch for inspiring her and vice versa.
• Surprising Details: Both share failed ratings auditions, the weight of living up to expectations, and industry pressure.

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Summary Takeaways

This Bobbycast is not just about "Wagon Wheel" or industry war stories – it’s an intimate look at what it means to build a musical life from a unique tradition, to love, to risk, to create, and to find your people along the way. Listeners get technical insight, behind-the-scenes storytelling, and a front-row seat to two of roots music’s most engaging personalities – all filtered through Bobby Bones’ playful, inquisitive style.

Listeners will come away with:

• The origin story and modern folk lineage of “Wagon Wheel”
• A peek into the hearts and creative habits of Molly Tuttle and Ketch Secor
• Reflections on bluegrass moving mainstream
• Relatable anecdotes about burnout, ambition, and the joy of musical affirmation
• A reminder that even musical "spells" (and perhaps being a “guitar witch”) start with someone listening and believing

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For upcoming tour info: mollytuttlemusic.com
Notable birthdays: Molly Tuttle – on the day of this recording! [46:47]

Transcript

[Molly Tuttle]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.

[Catch Secor]

I finished the song. I wrote it. It was good. It was instantly memorable to me. And that last line at the end, at least I will die free if I get to Raleigh. That's the state motto of New Hampshire. Live free or die.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, welcome to the show. We're gonna have Ketch from Old Crow Medicine show and Mo Tuttle from. Well, Molly Tuttle. Two excellent musicians, two awesome people, and they just so happen to be engaged now. And if you want to go see Molly on tour, she's awesome. Molly and Marty. It's Molly Tuttle and Marty Stewart. The Guitars on Fire Tour. Mollytuttle.com we'll talk about that. We'll talk about Bob Dylan. We'll talk about Wagon Wheel. All that coming up. Glad you guys are here. Let's go, guys. Good to see you both.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, thanks for having us.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm fans of you in different ways, Molly. I'm fans of you through just watching your clips from the Opry and also being at the Opry. That was my introduction to you. Was you playing the Opry and being like, holy crap, there's only, like, two people I'm intimidated by dentists and bluegrass players, for the record. That's it. Those.

[Catch Secor]

Let's see those choppers.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I got one broken right now.

[Catch Secor]

Now, I don't see why you'd be scared of a dentist. You look like you never even seen one.

[Bobby Bones]

These are all. Exactly, Exactly. These are all fake.

[Catch Secor]

Oh, really?

[Bobby Bones]

When I first made money, I bought my mom a trailer, and I bought me all new teeth. Not a joke. There is a joke that I do in my act about that. That when I first made money, I bought the two T's. Teeth in a trailer. Also, my favorite Toby Keith song. People love that one. Teeth in a trailer. So they catch and laugh. But see, but also, it's not the room.

[Catch Secor]

It was a deep cut.

[Bobby Bones]

No, I wasn't giving it, like, the breath. But anyway,

[Catch Secor]

I'm laughing now.

[Bobby Bones]

Thank you, Catch. So, Molly, that's how I know you and Catch. I've just seen him, like, wandering outside my house.

[Molly Tuttle]

Outside your house, like, late at night.

[Bobby Bones]

Why are you in there, Bobby? I ran into Catch. Well, they were playing at a record store here in town, and I messed up on the time. I got there way too early. There was nobody there, and I'm like, nobody came to watch Okro?

[Molly Tuttle]

Was it at Grimey's or something?

[Bobby Bones]

Yes, it was at Grimey's, but I got there, like, an hour early. And so I'm There. And I'm watching them, and they're playing the same song over and over again.

[Molly Tuttle]

And I'm going, this is the weirdest show.

[Bobby Bones]

What's happening with this show? Then I realized I was there an hour early and they were just rehearsing at Christmas.

[Molly Tuttle]

Rehearsing the same song. Oh, it must have seemed like a performance art style with them.

[Bobby Bones]

I didn't know what was going on.

[Catch Secor]

And so what made it weirder was that I just come off that horrible flu everybody had, and I had smeared a lot of lubricant into my nostrils like this, and I had it all over my face.

[Bobby Bones]

I didn't see any.

[Catch Secor]

L was glowing.

[Bobby Bones]

I didn't see any Ludo.

[Catch Secor]

This guy comes up and he's like, hey, I think that's Bobby Bones over there.

[Bobby Bones]

I was just standing there watching by myself going, nobody's at this concert.

[Catch Secor]

When you see people out of context, like, I didn't think that we'd be seeing you at our in store at the local record shop because, you know, you're a big person in our world. So when he whispered that to me, I, like, sat up a lot more rigidly and forgot that I was covered in this kind of shining snot. Lubricant.

[Bobby Bones]

There was no lubricant.

[Catch Secor]

I was greedy.

[Bobby Bones]

You were beautiful.

[Catch Secor]

I was like a hog, man.

[Bobby Bones]

All I know is I didn't want to bother them. And I was watching. And then I realized I was there way early. So I went back to looking at some records. I like vinyl.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And I just like the physicality of it, like, having something. I like the art. I think now I just like the art of it more than really anything else.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah. I like listening to the whole thing. Like, last night, I was picking out this record. I went through all my records, I started putting them on, and I was like, this is so refreshing to just sit with a whole album and not have, like, the playlist with different songs thrown in and just listen to the sequence.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you ever have cassettes?

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, I had a bunch. My first car. I remember when I was. I got my first car when I was 18, and it had a cassette player. So I got a bunch of cassettes for it.

[Bobby Bones]

Because the car had it. You didn't actually have, like. We had that one from that era.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, we had.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And you could. You had to, like, listen to the

[Catch Secor]

whole tape and not just cassettes. CAS singles.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. But they had, like, one on each side. My favorite ever, MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice. One on each side. Can't Touch this on the front. Ice, Ice Baby on the back.

[Catch Secor]

Whoa.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I got at the mall. It was a limited edition.

[Catch Secor]

That must have been. I don't mean to brag, because normally it would have been Ice, Ice Baby on one side and then play that funky music.

[Bobby Bones]

White boy on the back.

[Catch Secor]

Okay, sure.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, yeah. Ninja Rat.

[Catch Secor]

Please Hammer, don't hurt them. And I guess that was the name of the album.

[Bobby Bones]

That's right. Good. Good recall.

[Catch Secor]

Well, my thing.

[Bobby Bones]

Let me finish my story.

[Catch Secor]

Sorry, sorry. Bobby, I'm jumping on you.

[Bobby Bones]

We're in the record store, and I have now Molly. I've turned my focus to not wanting to bother them because I realize I'm here an hour early, and this could be awkward for everybody. And I'm a pretty awkward person anyway, so I'm just like, okay, I don't want to bother Catch. I don't want him to feel like he has to come talk to me. And he comes up and he puts his hand on me, and he just lifts his shirt up to show an undershirt just before he says hello or anything. And he goes, check it out. And it says, like, the natural. The land of opportunity, I think is what the shirt said. Or the natural state or something. And I'm from Arkansas, and that's like, our slogan, right? And he goes, I was just here. And that's what he led with. And so then he said to me, just got engaged.

[Molly Tuttle]

Oh, nice.

[Bobby Bones]

He said, we just came back from California.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, that would have been right after. Because we got engaged and then just didn't see each other for a month because we were both on tour and he was on his Christmas tour. So that makes sense.

[Catch Secor]

I must have taken my trip.

[Molly Tuttle]

That's quite the. Hello, good to see you.

[Bobby Bones]

I didn't even leak it, and the pictures weren't up on Instagram yet, so I didn't say anything about it to anybody.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, we had to get them up before I started playing concerts because I wanted to wear the ring my live. And then I was like, oh, no. People are gonna be, like, zooming in on their phones, and they'll be like, what's the engagement ring?

[Catch Secor]

Because you're like the press, you know, But I'm not. You're sort of big media to me.

[Bobby Bones]

No, you're confusing me with the ap. A lot of people do that.

[Catch Secor]

I wouldn't normally do that, but I live in Nashville. So you're like, you know, a agent of, you know, media.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I know you, though.

[Catch Secor]

And I heard you and I, you know, when we saw each other, that Day at the record store. I. Mol and I had just been listening to you.

[Bobby Bones]

That's not true.

[Catch Secor]

No. We have on this Bay Area country station up there, like, it was days before. Yeah, we were there.

[Molly Tuttle]

Show a lot in the car.

[Catch Secor]

You have a unique way of. Of being anywhere at all times.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah.

[Catch Secor]

Like, you don't speak in a specific way, like, oh, I. I want to reach our. All of our listeners out here. I mean, you do that in those, like, little sidebars. But when you're doing your show, it's very universal. Like, you could be listening in Alaska or Florida.

[Bobby Bones]

I am ubiquitous with communication. I'm everywhere all the time, and you don't know where I am.

[Catch Secor]

I like that.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Catch Secor]

But for an Arkansan, that's kind of rare, because most people from your state, you let them know we're from here.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, not as much as Texans, to be fair. Texans, they want you to know they're Texas.

[Catch Secor]

I think you're absolutely right.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Catch Secor]

I think Texans definitely crow about it.

[Bobby Bones]

Anyway, Molly, congratulations on you guys.

[Catch Secor]

Thank you. He's cutting me off again.

[Bobby Bones]

So he told me I was super pumped, and then I saw the pictures come out, and then I mentioned it on my show, in that order, because I'm not the Associated Press. I'm not trying to break. I'm not Reuters. I'm not trying to break a story over here, but I was super pumped. So before we talk about anything, music or professional, how did you guys meet? Is there a story, like, a real one, or was it just naturally organic? You guys are just in the same circles.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, we met. I was opening for Old Crow at the Ryman, and that's how we met. Just backstage, said hi, and then I went on tour with them. Did a couple other shows together that summer. Then backstage at one of the shows later in maybe August or something, Catch was like, I think we should go on a duo tour together. And I was like, sure. Like, he's one of my favorite musicians. So we just kind of became friends, did this tour together. We rehearsed a lot, so we were both just kind of like, let's rehearse. I think we both liked each other, but, you know, we just.

[Catch Secor]

I didn't think she liked me at all. She's a really phenomenal musician.

[Bobby Bones]

No, I know. Like I said, I'm intimidating, intimidated by you both. A little more her than you.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Catch Secor]

But I feel more like I'm a mic worker. I'm somebody. I'm a juggler with words, and I'm an entertainer, song and dance, man. But she's a picker.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, I have questions about your picking styles, but I want to focus on this for a second. So you guys, you're opening for him. He does the whole, be my opening act, let's tour, does the whole song and dance. When did you know that? He kind of had.

[Molly Tuttle]

He just showed up at my house and was like, I really like you. This was like, a year after that. So it was during the pandemic. We were gonna have, like, a Maybe, like, play some tunes out in the front yard, social distance style. And instead of that, he was kind of just like, blurted. It was almost like word vomit.

[Bobby Bones]

You were just like, were you nervous? Were you nervous going into that. That's quite the proclamation.

[Catch Secor]

I had broken up with my girlfriend a couple days before, knowing that the gnawing feeling could not, you know, be cut loose.

[Bobby Bones]

So you had a bad.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, I had it real bad. Like, I was. I couldn't stop thinking about Molly. I was just. And, you know, I. Obsession for a person like me was more of a rumination than it was, like, I'm looking at pictures of you all day. Like a, you know, freaky kind of thing. Instead, it was.

[Molly Tuttle]

Glad that it wasn't that.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm not sure that it wasn't now with how I described it.

[Molly Tuttle]

I know now you're, like, specifically describing this thing that none of us really thought was the case.

[Bobby Bones]

I just see a board in your house, like, when they're investigating a crime and they have all the pictures of all the people. It's just Molly walking out of the house, walking to get coffee.

[Catch Secor]

What you're describing was what my mindset was. She was every picture, every thought, you know, and just a really inspiring person, you know, Like, I just didn't. I don't think that I had really fallen in love before. And, you know, I'd been married before, and I have children, and I've lived a healthy, long, ish life. But the kind of love that I was feeling when I first met you was like, whoa, this is. I don't think this is going away. And it was achy, too. Like, it wasn't just, I really like this gal. We'd be so great together. It was like, a little painful, like a little nauseating. Like, I. You know, like, we went out on a couple of dates, and I. And it was agony after it was over.

[Bobby Bones]

Sounds like rickets.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, sure. He didn't have rickets.

[Catch Secor]

Like, hookworm. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you know he had these feelings before he told you That I had

[Molly Tuttle]

no idea because you were always telling about your girlfriends and people you're dating. Like, we'd catch up and just talk about our love lives and these people and who we were both seeing. Nothing like super serious, but it was just kind of funny. Once he made the proclamation, then I was like, hmm, I hadn't considered this before.

[Catch Secor]

And then she went on a cross country road trip with her boyfriend.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, you still had a boyfriend at the time.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah.

[Molly Tuttle]

We're gonna go there.

[Bobby Bones]

Extra brave. No, but extra brave by you knowing that. And you still went there.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah. Yeah. Good for you.

[Bobby Bones]

You had rickets. I get it. You got to get it out of the system. And how long until you guys dated after that?

[Molly Tuttle]

Maybe a month or two.

[Catch Secor]

Couple months passed. There was some letter writing, and she wrote back to me.

[Molly Tuttle]

And, yeah, we had broke. Me and my boyfriend were kind of about to break up. Then we broke up. And then a couple months later, we started dating.

[Bobby Bones]

And then you wrote letters to each other?

[Molly Tuttle]

He wrote me a letter.

[Catch Secor]

Well, I'm a letter writer.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah. And I was, like, shocked to find it. I was like, wait, what? Cause we hadn't really. I was just kind of like, well,

[Catch Secor]

okay, what is this? My name on a piece of Stan.

[Bobby Bones]

Where did he mail it? To your house?

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, to my house.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, of course.

[Molly Tuttle]

So I got back and I found this letter. I was like, okay. It was just like, we can just stay friends.

[Bobby Bones]

So you wrote a letter from your house and mailed it to her house. What do you think the total distance was between.

[Catch Secor]

We're in the same zip code. Yeah, we're about, I'd say, 1.8 miles. I mean, we live together now, but

[Bobby Bones]

then at the end, I would think you'd. Yeah, there's a possibility now. But then you sent a letter 1.8 miles. But probably it was the significance of the letter, Right? The writing of it on a piece of paper?

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, I just needed to get it out and just say my piece.

[Bobby Bones]

And how many pages was it?

[Catch Secor]

Well, it wasn't a card.

[Molly Tuttle]

It was a full.

[Catch Secor]

It was on stationary page of paper.

[Molly Tuttle]

It was like the front and a back of a full piece of paper.

[Catch Secor]

You know, I have my chatterbox. When I get a pencil, I really start talking.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you write songs, pencil and paper?

[Catch Secor]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Not really on the laptop or anything.

[Catch Secor]

Well, we write on the laptop too, but it'll be both. And that's more of a newer thing.

[Bobby Bones]

What's the newer thing? The laptop.

[Catch Secor]

Laptop. Writing on a laptop. I mean, I can write on a phone too. We write a lot of songs in the car.

[Bobby Bones]

Is music always happening with you two?

[Molly Tuttle]

Not always, I don't think. But we're always kind of deciding on, like, what's our next song we're gonna write about. But then we just do kind of like go on walks, do stuff around the house, and we might not do anything musical for, I don't know, a couple days and then just kind of come back to it. But I think we will start writing songs, like, in random. Like, we're so often traveling that we write a lot of songs while traveling. So, like in the car and hotel rooms.

[Bobby Bones]

You ever write at home just like, hey, let's just write? Or.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, that's probably the most.

[Catch Secor]

Wow, that's more successful.

[Molly Tuttle]

I feel like when we're traveling, your brain gets kind of scattered for me. Like when I'm on tour, I just totally get out of the writing mindset. So if we're both omniscient for prolonged periods of time, that's when we start writing most productively, I think.

[Catch Secor]

But we also write on FaceTime too,

[Molly Tuttle]

when we're apart sometimes.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, like, we're a part a lot. Because of course she's playing. I mean, she played almost twice as many concerts last year as I did.

[Molly Tuttle]

I'll do like 100 shows a year. He does, I don't know, like seven.

[Catch Secor]

Still a lot, but it's plenty for me. But she does it a lot more, so let's take a quick pause for

[Bobby Bones]

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[Catch Secor]

I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him and I said, hi, dad. And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen and

[Bobby Bones]

she says, I have some cookies and milk.

[Catch Secor]

This is badass convict meat.

[Bobby Bones]

Just finished five years. I'm gonna have cookies and milk at mine. Yeah. On the Cino show podcast, each episode invites you into a raw, unfiltered conversations about recovery, resilience, and redemption.

[Catch Secor]

On a recent episode, I sit down

[Bobby Bones]

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[Catch Secor]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Catch Secor]

I'm an alcoholic and loud. This proves I'm gonna die.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Molly Tuttle]

you can have opinions, you can have, like a strong stance, and then there's your body having its own program. I'm Dr. Maya Shankar, a cognitive scientist

[Bobby Bones]

and host of the podcast A Slight Change of Plans, a show about who we are and who we become when

[Molly Tuttle]

life makes other plans. We share stories and scientific insights to help us all better navigate these periods

[Bobby Bones]

of turbulence and transformation.

[Molly Tuttle]

There is one finding that is consistent

[Catch Secor]

and that is that our resilience rests on our relationships.

[Bobby Bones]

I wish that I hadn't resisted for so long the need to change. We have to be willing to lose with a kind of uncertainty that none of us likes. Listen to A Slight Change of plans

[Molly Tuttle]

on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

[Bobby Bones]

wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back on the Bobbycast. I'm curious about some techniques as a player because I was reading and I'm not even gonna remember them, but there was like a claw. Is there a claw?

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

What's that called?

[Molly Tuttle]

There is a claw. Claw hammer guitar. So it's like a. You hear about claw hammer banjo a lot. It's kind of a banjo style. It's old time banjo, which sort of predates bluegrass. So it's this kind of rhythmic style of playing where you kind of your hand looks like this when you're playing. It almost looks. I don't know if that's why it's called claw hammer. I assume because your hand sort of looks like a claw when you're playing and you're kind of hitting the strings and plucking up with your thumb and it hits the banjo and it makes this sort of rhythmic, percussive sound. And then it's basically taking that style and applying it to guitar, which is less common. So when I was a teenager, I played the clawhammer banjo because I love. I started playing it because of Gillian Welch, and she does a few songs on her records on clawhammer banjo. So I wanted to learn all her songs. So I picked up the clawhammer banjo and then someone showed me that you could swap it over to the guitar. It almost looks like I get people telling me that it looks like I'm playing slap bass on the guitar sometimes.

[Bobby Bones]

Is there a flat. Is there a style called flat something?

[Molly Tuttle]

Flat picking.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, will you explain that one to me?

[Molly Tuttle]

That's like bluegrass, like typical bluegrass lead guitar playing you call flat picking. So you're playing with a pick and just playing these sort of usually kind of intricate or high speed melodies on the guitar with this pretty heavy pick that bluegrass players generally use, like pretty thick, like bigger picks. So, yeah, I think I've only heard flat picking really applied to bluegrass lead guitar players. So someone like Billy strings or like Tony rice was someone who sort of pioneered the style. Or Doc Watson, he did a lot of flat picking.

[Bobby Bones]

Your dad was a player? I know he was bluegrass. Was he a player? Like, what did he play?

[Molly Tuttle]

He sort of plays everything. He plays well, all the bluegrass instruments. He plays fiddle and mandolin and guitar and banjo. And he also used to play bass with me. When I was a kid, me and my brothers played shows with our dad. We had like a little family band and he would play bass. And he's mostly a music teacher, so he's taught music since he moved out to the bay area near San Francisco in the 70s and found this little music shop and started teaching lessons there. So he's taught tons of people all over California bluegrass music for a long time, and that's his primary thing. But he likes performing here and there. He just doesn't do it too often.

[Bobby Bones]

I was talking to someone recently about music and nature versus nurture, or nature and nurture. And I was asked if I thought that music ability was genetic or music ability was something learned. And I said, I think it's a bit of both. Because if you're around it, regardless of what it is, it starts to get a lot easier for you, especially if you're around it at an early age. You understand it in those formative years of brain growth. But then also, I do think there's something that if I can run fast, my kid will probably be able to run fast. Just genetically speaking, because your dad is a teacher. Did your brothers play?

[Molly Tuttle]

Mm, yeah. I have two younger brothers who play.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you think? You think nature nurture when it comes to music?

[Molly Tuttle]

Well, I think for me, just being around it made me have such an interest in music. Like, I don't know if I would have gravitated towards it if I didn't grow up in a musical household, But I just heard it from such an early age. My dad would have jam sessions at the house, or he'd just play songs around the house, constantly playing records. And then when I went to play, I remember picking up a guitar. It was not easy for me at all. Like, I felt like I struggled. I feel like I. I almost, like, looking back, I was like. I felt like I had no natural ability. Like, it was so hard for me. But then I started practicing and practicing a lot more. And I think just having so much music around the house, I was able to pick up things by ear a little more naturally. But then my brothers, they, like. I feel like when they picked up instruments, they just were so fast, and they were able to do it really easily. Maybe because they saw me playing and had kind of watched how I learned

[Bobby Bones]

and the younger stuff.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, two younger brothers.

[Bobby Bones]

How did you not burn out?

[Molly Tuttle]

I. I remember when I was, like, in middle school, I started having this routine where I would make myself practice guitar for two hours a day. I was like, I need to practice two hours every day. And I don't like looking back. It was sort of crazy. And I would just feel. I felt burnt out. Even like, as a young person, I was putting so much pressure on myself to just play and play and play. But I feel like I had this, like, internal drive that I just wanted to get better and better. Even though sometimes I was like, oh, I just wish I could take a day off, but I, like, wouldn't let myself.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you think at all it was to be closer to your dad?

[Molly Tuttle]

I think that was a huge part of it because it became, like, this really fun thing that we did together and this bond that we shared. So I still feel like when I'm sending songs or sending records to my dad, I want him to like them. And I'm like, oh, I really care what he thinks about my music, but I feel like it's gotten to the point of just like, we're now just kind of friends and he'll come out to my shows and I know he's going to have a good time and he loves it. So I think back then it was just also this way to kind of, you know, feel good about myself in general. It kind of helped me have more confidence as a kid and it was like a boost to my self esteem. But I also really just loved to play and I loved getting together with other people to play and I wanted to sound good when I was, you know, in that situation, going to a jam session or getting together with friends.

[Bobby Bones]

Catch. What is your kid Genesis as far as music? Like, when did you start playing music?

[Catch Secor]

I had encounters with American folk music traditions at a young age that seemed to pull something out in me.

[Bobby Bones]

Encounters. I had felt like a spaceship landed.

[Catch Secor]

Well, it kind of felt that way, Bobby. It was like. Because, you know, what makes somebody like who. Whose dad is not a guitar teacher? Dad was a. My dad has been for his career, an elementary principal. Mom worked in schools too. We lived in five states by the fifth grade. We moved around a ton. But in the first grade, this wonderful person came to my school to give a program named John Hartford, who is a really famous Missouri musician who wrote this amazing song, Gentle on My Mind, which Glen Campbell rocketed to number one back in the 70s. And that allowed John Harford to get a TV show and become, you know, one of America's kind of premier folk musician. Traditional fiddler or banjo picker type of guys. Wore a bowler hat, buck dance on right in front of me when I was six years old. So I remember seeing that and thinking, well, that's entertaining. And then, you know, I found that I loved my mom's record collection when I was a kid, which was up in the attic. And I pulled that down. I had a paper route when I was a kid. And when I first got my route, I went to go buy an alarm clock so I could start getting up early. But the alarm clock had an AM radio on it or radio, but the AM dial was so great. So at about 5:30 in the morning when I get up, I'd be listening to Cincinnati or Detroit or Toronto, the Clear Channel thing. And it wasn't like I was hearing like the Grand Ole Opry and a bunch of music, but I was hearing all these towns. So for me it was as much about music as it was about wanderlust. Wanting to understand America being called. So back to your nature and nurture question. I think there's another component, which is, did your soul get selected to be brought into the world of entertainment? Because the thing that we do when we're entertainers is we reflect something that can be more than one person at once. You know, it's an en masse, sort of like my experience as a musician and as a traveler and as a storyteller. Help somebody else out there better compartmentalize their own experience, or did they go through something tough? Are they away from home right now and lonesome? That kind of power is a divinity, and it's just a gift that we all in this room have because we're all people that can talk through the mic and make somebody else out there in the world feel more at ease or more agitated or more excited or turned on or whatever it is. So I think there's, you know, I always felt like a decent musician, a good communicator, but also a really soul for person who had a story to tell that could have a universal implication.

[Bobby Bones]

Where do you think you got your first music affirmation?

[Catch Secor]

Singing in the Young Singers of Missouri. You see, bordering on the great state of Arkansas is a far more greater state. It's called the Show Me State, and it's got a lot more going on. It's a larger state. It's got a lot of regional biodiversity, and it has many large cultural centers, including St. Louis and Kansas City. It might not have as great a football team, but it certainly has a upward mobility trump card.

[Bobby Bones]

So you would sing and you were told you were a good singer and you liked that feeling.

[Catch Secor]

I was a member of Young Singers of Missouri.

[Bobby Bones]

You had to be good to be a member. Right?

[Catch Secor]

I think they would have took anybody. You just had to fit.

[Bobby Bones]

You had to be young.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah. You needed to have a mother who could get you a cumberbund.

[Bobby Bones]

I thought it was cumberbund. It's called a cumberbund. Man, I'm learning stuff like crazy today.

[Molly Tuttle]

Cumberbund bun.

[Catch Secor]

I thought it had a bund.

[Molly Tuttle]

I thought it was bund as well.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, we may have to fact check that, boys. What is it called? A cumberbun? Cumberbund.

[Molly Tuttle]

Oh, is it bun?

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, I don't know. I had one for prom. I ended up not wearing it for prom. I had one. It was red because I had a red. And I ended up not wearing it because it felt a little. I. I maxed out on dork, and it felt even a little dorkier.

[Molly Tuttle]

It felt too far.

[Bobby Bones]

It was too far.

[Catch Secor]

I thought you were kind of counterculture, though.

[Bobby Bones]

I Am now counterculture in that.

[Catch Secor]

But in high school. No.

[Bobby Bones]

If getting beat up is counterculture. Oh, then I was a counterculture, as you could be. I was number one. I was Bob Dylan of counterculture. If it was just about getting your head stuck in the toilet.

[Molly Tuttle]

Oh, no.

[Catch Secor]

Wow.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Catch Secor]

Was it a violent school system in which you didn't feel safe?

[Bobby Bones]

You ever see the movie Stand by Me?

[Catch Secor]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Or Lean on Me?

[Catch Secor]

Yeah. Rob Reiner.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Catch Secor]

The late great.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, it wasn't like that at all.

[Catch Secor]

It wasn't like lard ass when.

[Bobby Bones]

Nah, I was all right. I was just the poor kid that had the big mouth and that would get me in trouble, like, got my head flushed in the toilet.

[Catch Secor]

I would just think the Arkadelphia school system might have had it.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm not from Arkadelphia.

[Catch Secor]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

Sorry. You're just assigning me. I'm from the major metropolitan area of Mountain Pine, Arkansas, right here, population 772.

[Catch Secor]

Oh, my God.

[Bobby Bones]

See my sign? My hometown has that sign up.

[Molly Tuttle]

That's so cool.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Molly Tuttle]

Now all the people who put your head in the toilet have to look

[Bobby Bones]

at that when they drive back at home. What about what is when I say musical affirmation? Molly, what comes to mind for you? When did you get the first musical affirmation that you're like, wow, this. Whatever this is. I love it.

[Molly Tuttle]

Ooh, musical affirmation. I think, like, when I first would go on stage and just play, I remember I would work on these guitar solos. I would just play the same solo over and over and again and practice it and try to work on making it really, you know, kind of perfecting it and playing something really complicated. I remember going on stage with my dad at this. It was at a music camp he was teaching at, and I had this sort of intricate guitar solo I was gonna play at, like, the student concert. And I played it, and everyone cheered for my solo. And I just remember thinking, that's cool. Like, they recognized this work that I put in, and I just liked that feeling. And I, you know, kind of liked making people happy with the music. And it was also something that made me feel happy, too, to share it with people. And I remember I had these other kids who I'd play with, and I didn't really know any kids at my school who liked bluegrass or were into it, but since my dad was a teacher and he taught kids all over the Bay Area banjo and fiddle and mandolin, we would get together like other kids my age and form these little bands. So that's how I started performing and I think that's kind of where I first felt that sense of affirmation.

[Bobby Bones]

How many instruments do you play? Can you list them for me?

[Molly Tuttle]

I just. It's a short list. Just guitar and banjo.

[Bobby Bones]

You don't play piano?

[Molly Tuttle]

I can. I know how to play some chords, but he's better at piano than me. I can just play like basic chords. I don't think you've ever.

[Catch Secor]

Between the two of us, the list is vast.

[Bobby Bones]

You're the full Charlie Brown band.

[Molly Tuttle]

He plays a million.

[Catch Secor]

Totally. We, between the two of us, we could really have our. A two man woman band.

[Bobby Bones]

So you play banjo?

[Molly Tuttle]

Banjo, guitar. I can play like a few tunes on the mandolin, only in limited keys, no hard keys. But.

[Bobby Bones]

When did you know you wanted to do music with your whole life? That's a commitment to go to music school.

[Molly Tuttle]

I think I was midway through high school and I was really not the best student and all my friends were deciding on colleges and all I wanted to do was play music. And that's what I did. Any chance I got all my free time on the weekends I was practicing or doing shows, whatever shows I could find. So when I heard about Berklee College of Music in Boston, heard they had this American roots program. And it was just this very diverse music school where you could learn any style of music pretty much. And I knew some people who went there and I knew that Boston had this cool scene for my type of music that just really appealed to me. So I went and applied there. But that was kind of like. It felt like it was my only path I could have taken. Like it was all I wanted to do. There was not really any question of like, is there a plan B? And also I saw my dad being a music teacher and kind of, you know, that's how he supported our family. So I knew that if performing didn't work out, I could start teaching and, you know, he would help me figure out how to do that.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you have to audition?

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And what is that process like?

[Molly Tuttle]

It's scary. I flew out to Boston to audition and I also wanted to just see the school before going there. My dad came with me and I played one of my original songs at the time and then I played something on banjo and they really liked that I played the banjo because that was unusual. But I remember just being really nervous and then I got in. And the worst part after getting in was you kind of have to re audition. Like you do this thing called a ratings audition or rating exam, and they rate you in all these different categories like sight reading and music theory and technical proficiency.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you play on a stage in front of people?

[Molly Tuttle]

No. For your audition, you're just in a room with like two teachers and they're

[Bobby Bones]

just sitting there with like a notepad or something.

[Molly Tuttle]

And they don't really say.

[Bobby Bones]

Probably not clapping or anything.

[Molly Tuttle]

No, not clapping. Definitely not clapping.

[Bobby Bones]

That feels like it would be intimidating.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah. But then for my ratings audition, I went in and it's the same thing. There's like three or four teachers, they're just staring at you, asking you questions. And I came out and I got the worst possible ratings. I got all ones. And it was graded on 1 to 8, so I just did horrible.

[Bobby Bones]

Wait, so I was already in it? You get to stay in school if they rate you all ones even after you're already in?

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, you just get the most like remedial possible classes after that.

[Bobby Bones]

Why do they give you ones?

[Molly Tuttle]

I don't know. To this day I'm like confused and I have a.

[Bobby Bones]

Were you so advanced they didn't understand it?

[Molly Tuttle]

I don't know. I know that I couldn't sight read and I didn't know any music theory. And then I think the other ones, they just saw that I didn't know anything about theory. And then they were just like, you know, we're just going to give you all ones and everything.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you lose confidence after that or did you just know? They didn't know.

[Molly Tuttle]

I was kind of like crushed after that because I didn't know a single other person who got all ones because that was just kind of rare. But now I've met one other person who did, and it's Annie Clements, who has played with Maren Morris and she's played with so many great acts. And I play bass.

[Bobby Bones]

Right?

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, she plays bass. She's a great bass player. And she's the only person I've ever met who also got all ones.

[Bobby Bones]

There's a story of Steve Harvey and his teacher told him that he wasn't gonna be on TV because he talked too much or was never committ. And so every year he'd send her a television as a Christmas gift because she always told him he'd never make it on television. What are we sending these teachers?

[Molly Tuttle]

I don't know. We should send them a video game.

[Bobby Bones]

All ones. Yeah.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Catch. What about you? When did you start as a. When did you start playing music? Was it by yourself or did you form a band early?

[Catch Secor]

When I was a kid, I went to see this guy play a concert when I was 12, and it was such a great show, but I didn't really understand it. In fact, I only.

[Bobby Bones]

That guy for people who aren't watching and just listening. It's Bob Dylan.

[Catch Secor]

Oh, yeah, Sorry. I'm talking about Bob.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, of course.

[Catch Secor]

You know, I went to see the show and I. I didn't really get it, but I got it. I only understood four words. Hey, Mr. Tambourine and Man. Everything else could have been, not even English, and I just wouldn't. But those four words were all I needed, and I was hooked. This happened when I was a kid. And then I. I went to a fortune teller, as we all do when we're confused. Yeah. And I had my mom wait out. My mother was such a soldier.

[Bobby Bones]

You were a kid at a fortune teller? I thought this was, like, later.

[Catch Secor]

No, no, no. This is like, how old are you

[Bobby Bones]

going to the fountain?

[Catch Secor]

I'm 13. So I went.

[Bobby Bones]

Your mom dropped you off?

[Catch Secor]

She took me to the Dylan show.

[Bobby Bones]

You went in the house of a fort? No, I'm done with the Bob Dylan thing. Your mom dropped you off and you went into a fortune teller by yourself?

[Catch Secor]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

How much does that cost?

[Catch Secor]

Oh, probably $10, maybe 15.

[Bobby Bones]

And what do you asked a fortune teller?

[Catch Secor]

It was on the edge of town where all the turkey plants.

[Bobby Bones]

It has to be on the edge of town. Never seen one in the middle of town.

[Catch Secor]

This ought to be the mountain pine part of the story. I grew up in a town that had a whole bunch of turkey factories where they slaughtered them and eviscerated them and made the dog food and the cat food and the turkey food. They do that. And that's where the fortune tellers were. So anyway, they had neon signs, so I knew they were there. Mom dropped me off, I walked in and I. At first, I asked, like, the questions that I thought that a fortune teller would like to answer, or was used to answering, like, when will I lose my virginity? When what will my job be? You know, will I be a. Will I be. Will I make money? Will I live a long life?

[Bobby Bones]

Got it.

[Catch Secor]

But then I really asked the only question I was there to ask, which was, will I meet Bob Dylan? And she scoured this hand and flopped and flipped and then professed, you'll never meet Bob Dylan. And I was crushed.

[Bobby Bones]

She gave you ones?

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, she gave me all ones. And you know, when you get the ones, it means you just rise. Because there's nothing better than a door slammed in your face as far as figuring out how to get in.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you believe The Fortune Teller.

[Catch Secor]

Oh. And she was right. Yeah. I never met Bob Dylan.

[Bobby Bones]

No, I know. I just wonder if you believed the fortune teller at 13 or if you thought this was a novelty. What did your mom tell you about this?

[Catch Secor]

I don't know that I told my mom about what I said with the fortune teller. And mom had recently gotten into therapy, and I think that she felt that her children's sort of mental independence and sort of sense of self and ego was a very healthy thing. So mom didn't ask me about what I had talked the Fortune Teller about.

[Bobby Bones]

How do you feel about psychics now?

[Catch Secor]

I. I feel pretty uninterested in psychics and. But Molly is definitely a little bit more into.

[Molly Tuttle]

I saw one. Well, I was surprised when you said $15 because I just went to see one on tour this fall and it was also 15, so they haven't really raised or their price.

[Bobby Bones]

Invisible string. Same one.

[Molly Tuttle]

Oh. Never raised a race.

[Bobby Bones]

Never raised a race.

[Molly Tuttle]

Never raised the race. Wow.

[Bobby Bones]

The Bobby cast. We'll be right back.

[Catch Secor]

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[Molly Tuttle]

Hey, everyone, check out this guy and his bird. What is this, your first date?

[Catch Secor]

Oh, no.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Catch Secor]

car insurance with Liberty Mutual together.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Molly Tuttle]

On the Serving Pancakes podcast, conversations about volleyball go beyond the court. Today we have a little best friend compatibility test. Okay, how long have we been best friends for? Since the day we met. As the League1 volleyball season heads towards its final stretch, there's no better time to tune in. We really are like yin and yang, vodka and tequila. You'll hear unfiltered analysis, behind the scenes stories and conversations with leaders making an impact across the sport. Today we have Logan Lednecki. I feel like our fan base in general is very connected. Just like a comforting feeling getting to play at home. Whether you're following the final push of love season or just love the game, serving Pancakes brings you closer to the action and the people shaping the future of volleyball. Jordan Thompson had that microphone. Oh, God forbid we make mistakes or cuss at our coach like one time or two times. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search serving Pancakes and listen. Now, this has been Serving Pancakes. And we'll catch you on the flip Side. Okay. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

[Catch Secor]

I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him. Hi, dad. And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen and

[Bobby Bones]

she says, I have some cookies and milk.

[Catch Secor]

This is badass, convict. Right?

[Bobby Bones]

Just finished five years. I'm gonna have cookies and milk at my. Yeah. On the Cena show podcast, each episode invites you into a raw, unfiltered conversations about recovery, resilience, and redemption.

[Catch Secor]

On a recent episode, I sit down

[Bobby Bones]

with actor cultural icon Danny Trejllo to

[Catch Secor]

talk about addiction transformation and the power of second chances. The entire season two is now available

[Bobby Bones]

to binge, featuring powerful conversations with guests like Tiffany Haddish, Johnny Knoxville, and more.

[Catch Secor]

I'm an alcoholic, and without this probe, I'm gonna die.

[Bobby Bones]

Open your free iHeartRadio app, search the Cino show and listen.

[Catch Secor]

Now.

[Molly Tuttle]

I feel like it was a little bit unbelievable until I really start making money. It's Financial Literacy Month, and the podcast Eating While Broke is bringing real conversations about money, growth, and building your future. This month, hear from top streamer Zoe Spencer and venture capitalist lakeisha Landrum Pierre as they share their journeys from starting out to leveling up. If I'm outside with my parents and they're seeing all these people come up to me for pictures, it's like, what, today? Now, Obviously, it's like 100%. They believe everything, but at first it was just like, you gotta go get a real job. There's an economic component to communities thriving. If there's not enough money and entrepreneurship happening in communities, they fail. And what I mean by fail is they don't have money to pay for food. They cannot feed their kids.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Molly Tuttle]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Molly Tuttle]

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[Catch Secor]

This is the Bobbycast.

[Bobby Bones]

I have thoughts on psychics. Would you like to hear them?

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

It's one of those things that there is no way I can possibly prove it's not true. There's no. I can't prove that what they're doing. I can prove probably that there are certain ones that are scamming people. I think we can prove that, but I can't prove that. That is not an ability or a special. I don't even want to say. I'll say talent, a special talent. I can't prove that nobody has it.

[Molly Tuttle]

That's true. Because if you See someone, they tell you something that's not true when maybe they're just one of the ones that pretends to have it.

[Bobby Bones]

And I've gone to a couple as I'm very much a cynic in all facets of life. And I think most people that tell me things like. Or I hear stories of like I died and saw the yellow light and I can't prove they're not telling the truth. Now I can often look at them and go, you're full of crap just generally or you're trying to scam some money. But I can't prove that that hasn't happened to anybody ever. I feel the same way with psychics. I cannot prove it's not true. I've met a couple that I believe are a plus humans and either I believe in them and they believe it. So I go, maybe so. But I definitely would not tell someone that psychics aren't real. Now do I believe they're real?

[Catch Secor]

Nah.

[Bobby Bones]

But not.

[Catch Secor]

No.

[Bobby Bones]

And there's a difference.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah. I feel too about that and I feel that way about ghosts. Like same. I've never seen one and I can't disprove it.

[Bobby Bones]

But dimensions. We'll be here for two hours. If we're talking about other dimensions and aliens, are you?

[Catch Secor]

Nah. But not know with aliens.

[Molly Tuttle]

I feel like aliens must exist for sure.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Catch Secor]

Oh, now I do.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, there's just been so much that they've been slow rolling us, especially in the last couple of years.

[Catch Secor]

I like this part of the podcast.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, they're rolling it out. They're rolling it out. There. There are certain. And this is kind of a place that I go and I tend to make everybody roll their eyes in the back of their head. There are these entities that we have recordings of that are going so fast with no heat signature at all. We do not have the ability, we don't possess the science to have something move that fast with no heat signature at all. The propulsion to move left, right, up, down. So do I believe things are being kept from us? Absolutely. Would I think they're little green men coming from above? I don't think so. Maybe from the ocean. We don't even know what's down there. We have mapped more of general space than we have the ocean and we're here with that. But then also dimensionally, to me, what we see is. Let's say this show is on Netflix, right. Let's say we're watching Stranger Things at the same exact time Orange is the New Black is on over here now we're not watching it because our frequency is on Stranger Things Inside that streaming platform. There are 5,000 other shows over here that we can't see, because right now, we're dialed into this one. And I kind of feel that way about where we are now. Like, we can see certain. Even on the molecular level of animals can see colors because they have different cones in their eyes that we can't see. Just because we can't see it, touch it, feel it, doesn't mean it's not here. And so, yeah, that. And I could do that for a while. And I could also do simulation theory, where I think that even if you just believe, even if you're a Christian, you believe in heaven and that you start there, you come down here, you do a little dance here, just try to get back there. That's a version of simulation theory. So when people go, simulation theory, that sounds like robots or Commodore 64 Oregon Trail, back in the day, I go, the word possibly does. But in theory, there are many things that people accept that would be considered simulation theory. And one of them, the one that I can mostly preach to my friends, is if you believe we started from beyond and you believe heaven, earth, that we start there, we come here, we live a life, hopefully we get to go back there. This is a temporary organic being we're in to try to get our way back there. And they go, oh, maybe you're onto something. Anyway, so how about that music, huh?

[Molly Tuttle]

Her little side.

[Bobby Bones]

So you went to a psychic, huh?

[Molly Tuttle]

I did, yeah. I was on tour. I was just wandering around Winston Salem, North Carolina, this fall, and I. I've never actually been. I don't think I'd ever gone to a psychic. Except I have this one friend from high school who is psychic, and she reads tarot cards. So she's done that. Especially during the pandemic when we started dating, she was always reading my tarot cards and being like, I have a good feeling about this. That was one of the ways I kind of, you know, was like, okay, I'm gonna at least give it a try. When we were starting to date, the

[Bobby Bones]

tarot cards got you. The tarot card got.

[Catch Secor]

Marisa is definitely. Yeah, she's like a legit witch.

[Bobby Bones]

I feel that psychic is almost like saying alien and little green men, because I don't know that all psychics just a term we associate with having some sort of ability to see and feel things that maybe other people can't tune into. Right. And I'm not a woo woo wa wa guy at all, but I do think people possess different ways to interpret. Just general. General interpretation of things around us. Psychic is the word we say when there are other terms. Clairvoyant mediums. Yeah. So when you went to yours, it's not really yours, but the one you went to, did you feel like a thing?

[Molly Tuttle]

Well, she told me I was gonna be one of the most powerful witches of all time.

[Bobby Bones]

Witches? Are you a witch?

[Molly Tuttle]

She said, I don't think of myself as necessarily a witch.

[Catch Secor]

That's not a bad word. Go on.

[Molly Tuttle]

But anyway, she was like. But she said I only had till my next birthday, which is actually. Today is my birthday.

[Bobby Bones]

Wait, literally, today's your birthday?

[Molly Tuttle]

She said if I didn't figure out my witch powers before today, then I wasn't gonna actually become a witch. And I don't think I figured anything out.

[Bobby Bones]

You're doing this on your birthday now? I feel guilty that you're here on your birthday.

[Molly Tuttle]

No, this is the best way to spend my birthday.

[Bobby Bones]

Happy birthday.

[Molly Tuttle]

Thank you.

[Bobby Bones]

That's awesome. Holy crap.

[Molly Tuttle]

That is my last chance. But I didn't really figure out. She said, I need to figure out

[Catch Secor]

my whole, like, you got it till midnight, then.

[Bobby Bones]

Can I suggest something? Can I throw something at you? What if your powers are your music?

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, literally, music comes. Or just any sort of art or interpretation in art. Like, some people just have the innate ability to do that on a much more natural level. Some people. I feel like I have to grind to get mine, like, real. Like, I don't. Like, I'm not naturally that. I think I. I grit my teeth until I figure it out. And I'm not sure. You're still. I can't be in your bodies. But what if, like, our magic is, like, the art we create?

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah. That's kind of like.

[Bobby Bones]

And you are a witch.

[Molly Tuttle]

That's how I think of it. A guitar witch.

[Bobby Bones]

They got ones. They got ones. That's crazy. That's because I've seen you play.

[Molly Tuttle]

That's cool.

[Bobby Bones]

I think they're jealous.

[Molly Tuttle]

I was just running on, like, spite from the ones for a while, you know? It kind of feels.

[Bobby Bones]

You're like, I did them wrong.

[Molly Tuttle]

No, not really. I just think it's funny at this

[Bobby Bones]

point, but I'm a little bothered for you. Let me. I'll take that on for you.

[Molly Tuttle]

I kind of, like, I see where I got the ones from because they were asking me things like, play a Mixolydian scale. And I was like, I've never heard that word a single time in my life.

[Bobby Bones]

When you get To Berkeley. Did you find people like you? Yeah, like, for the first time, like, really like you?

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, it was really cool because I just found this. I just, like, clicked into this group of people who loved, like, bluegrass music and roots music and old time and were just totally focused on, like, learning and practicing. And it was so cool. Like, I felt like I was at Hogwarts or something because it was just this magical experience where I got to solely focus on music for I was there just two and a half years, and it was so much fun. But I played all over Boston. There were bars that had weekly bluegrass bands playing at them. The Cantab Lounge was one where every Tuesday bluegrass night would happen, and I would play at that and these other historic folk clubs, like this club, Club Passim, where Bob Dylan played and Joan Baez played. We would do shows there, and it was just really cool. I felt like I instantly made friends. And I had this group of people who. We were always having these fun parties and just playing music together.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, two Bob Dylan references. So I'm gonna go to it now. You said you hadn't met him yet. I think most casuals would know Wagon Wheel. I don't think I've ever asked you, like, the actual story of that song. Like, how you. Because I. Can I tell you the version that I have in my head that may be wrong?

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, sure.

[Bobby Bones]

You found out this is gonna be wrong, but this is just what I've picked up because I.

[Catch Secor]

Sounds like you might be right.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, you found an old CD or tape.

[Catch Secor]

Correct.

[Bobby Bones]

With a partial version of Bob Dylan singing Wagon Wheel. And you thought, I'm gonna finish this.

[Catch Secor]

You got it.

[Bobby Bones]

So tell me the real version.

[Catch Secor]

Well, my. My sort of coming of age experience was when I. When I opened up my case on a street corner for the first time and realized, oh, my God, I don't need a stage, I don't need a venue. I'll just do it right here on the curb. That really opened a whole world of performance to me. And we had these sidewalk preachers in my town, you know, that would stand up on a crate and, you know, proselytize. So I saw it like that. And anyway, it just. It was real clear to me when I opened up my case that I was a performer and I needed songs. And I. So I learned as many songs as I could all through my teenage years. But I also wrote songs. I'm telling you this because if I hadn't have been a songwriter in my teenage years, you know, I wouldn't have messed with this thing. But I was already in the habit of rewriting music. You know, like, the first song I ever wrote, like, you know, was a new version of the Lord's Prayer to music. And then a lot of political things that I would read. The Declaration or the Pledge of Allegiance.

[Bobby Bones]

So you would put melodies behind. Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Yeah, so you were totally. Really?

[Catch Secor]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Got it.

[Catch Secor]

Anything that was, like, scripty, that, you know, had a cadence to it, put it to music. And I take a little. My mother was pissed about this, but I put Sharpie on the keys and then I write them up there. So, like, triangle. This was like basic shape note. I also went to a shape note singing class when I was a kid at the Chautauqua Institute, which is up in. Around Buffalo, New York. Anyway, I was into music. I was into Bob Dylan. And those rivers converged. And this confluence was hearing finally, this unfinished Bob Dylan masterpiece. It was like nobody had heard it yet.

[Bobby Bones]

How. On what?

[Catch Secor]

It was on cd, and it had been purchased by my friend at the Virgin Megastore in London, England, and then sent to me, dubbed form on cassette via the US mail.

[Bobby Bones]

When he bought that on CD, though, what was the CD?

[Catch Secor]

Well, remember back in the day when bootleg CDs could be purchased in large urban areas in huge crates by people that were selling, like, 25, $50 for a double album? And it was a lot of Bob Dylan, a lot of Grateful Dead, and, you know, Tom Petty and Bruce and people like that. So a lot of Bob Dylan bootlegs were moving around through the early 90s. My buddy heard one, sent it to me. I heard this song. It was an outtake from a film called Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, a movie that Kris Kristofferson was in and was made in Durango, Mexico, in 73 or four or two. And I'm convinced, Bobby, that Bob Dylan was playing this song, Rock Me, Mama, like a Wagon Wheel. And then he put his guitar down and thought, nah, I can do better than that. And he began to write a new song, which was very similar, based on this song. A song that went, Mama, take this badge off of me Mama, take this, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, I never thought about those being similar.

[Catch Secor]

Well, they were written in the same week. So, anyway, I finished the song. I wrote it. It was good. It was instantly memorable to me. It was real autobiographical because as soon as I left high school, I moved to North Carolina. The whole song's about leaving New Hampshire and moving to. You know, I didn't Put Greensboro into it because I put Raleigh because of Sir Walter Raleigh. And that last line at the end, at least I will die free if I get to Raleigh. That's the state motto of New Hampshire. Live free or die. So again with the. I just took the language around me and I funneled it into the songs that I was writing at the time.

[Bobby Bones]

So were you just playing that song on the corner over and over again? Did you feel like you had something there, something good?

[Catch Secor]

Every time I played on the curb, I'd get tipped. It was like magic, you know.

[Bobby Bones]

So did you keep that in your back pocket for when you got. You started playing with the band?

[Catch Secor]

Well, then I started playing with the band, but we were so motivated by these American traditions that playing original music wasn't really our thing. So I just kept it, like, say, in my back pocket. Then we moved to Net Nashville about 1999, 2000, 2001 at that time. And then, you know, they were like, well, you guys are really fun and interesting and visual and. But your material, it's all raving old time music from the 20s and 30s. What do you got that's new? Because Nashville, Tennessee, you need new songs. You don't play old shit. So what do you got? I mean, you could play some old songs, but this is a place for songwriters. And I was like, well, I got this one song and it was great. We played it right away and people, you know, we got an agent right away and then a manager. It opened up a lot of doors.

[Bobby Bones]

That song did.

[Catch Secor]

That song did.

[Bobby Bones]

I can remember. I know the video. I've seen the video 10,000 times. Like, it's one of the first YouTube music videos that I remember seeing. Like when YouTube, like, so you guys recorded the video. It's active, it's outside a lot, right?

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, it's at a carnival.

[Bobby Bones]

That's what it is.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, yeah, it's got burlesque dancers and Gillian Welch and David Rawlings are in it.

[Bobby Bones]

Gillian Welch, isn't it?

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, she's in.

[Bobby Bones]

She's the through line of this whole interview too. This is great. So that song, did it open doors up for. Did it continue to open doors up for you guys for years?

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, it's sort of been a story of a song opening up doors for this, for my band and my career, my whole life.

[Bobby Bones]

And Bob Dylan never reached out?

[Catch Secor]

Well, about. About 15 years into the story, Bob Dylan reached out through his manager and said, Bob's so pleased with Wagon Wheel that he wants Catch to have another of Bob Dylan's Castaway songs. So here it is. So I wrote that song, rewrote it, and then we made a slick video and it was our most top charting country thing of all time. You know, like, it did good. Like, I think we were in the crack. The top 20 in the first week of, you know, contemporary country music. But this was like 2013 or something. You never met him and. No. And after that, like, you know, just little. I sure have thought about him.

[Bobby Bones]

Open the door. Bring him in. Bob.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, that'd be.

[Bobby Bones]

That would have been great, huh?

[Catch Secor]

You. You are a male witch.

[Bobby Bones]

That would have been great. No, no, really, that would have been great, though.

[Catch Secor]

I wish.

[Molly Tuttle]

I feel like you are gonna meet him, though. Like, you're getting. You're honing in on it.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you want to meet him at this point?

[Catch Secor]

You know, when I was young, I met Ozzie Smith, who is my other

[Bobby Bones]

hero, St. Louis Cardinal shortstop, who did backflip him. Doing backflips before a game, going at a shortstop was one of the coolest. And I'm a Cubs fan, and that was one of the coolest things I'd ever seen.

[Catch Secor]

So. Great.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And how was he?

[Catch Secor]

He was pretty scary. I mean, I met him when I was 10 at a baseball stadium. And, you know, he was gruff and. But I mean, he was beautiful.

[Bobby Bones]

God.

[Catch Secor]

I mean, he's still alive and active and he's at National Treasure.

[Bobby Bones]

Was he nice to you?

[Catch Secor]

He was nice enough. He wasn't, you know, callous or nothing, but he was gruff. But I like that. And he made my life. But they say, don't meet your heroes. And I met Ozzie, and there was something radiant about him. So I feel like I've already met the hero. And so if I were to meet Bob and I, I just wouldn't want to have a bad experience. But I tell you, my friend met Bob, my band mate of mine. We were. He was out for. Because the Mumford Boys, who we did a lot of work with Mumford and Sons, was on the Grammys one year and Bob Dylan was going to do a mash up. And so they were in these rehearsals and my buddy was sitting there on. On the couch, and Bob Dylan walks in and sits on the couch right across from him and. And T Bone's there, and we had just done this record with T Bone and this project, and T Bone's talking with Gil, my friend. He's like, oh, yeah, you know, Old Crow is back in the studio again, and Bob Dylan turns around and says, oh, crow. And Gil says, yeah, have You. Have you heard of us? And Bob says you guys are killing it. That's all I got, but that was enough for me. Like, I don't want to. I just wouldn't want to mess with. With the magic. Let's take a quick pause for a

[Bobby Bones]

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[Catch Secor]

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[Molly Tuttle]

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[Catch Secor]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Catch Secor]

I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him. Hi, dad. And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen.

[Bobby Bones]

She says, I have some cookies and milk.

[Catch Secor]

This is badass. Convict me just finished five years.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Catch Secor]

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[Catch Secor]

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[Catch Secor]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Catch Secor]

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[Molly Tuttle]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Molly Tuttle]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Molly Tuttle]

There is one finding that is consistent and, and that is that our resilience

[Catch Secor]

rests on our relationships.

[Bobby Bones]

I wish that I hadn't resisted for so long the need to change. We have to be willing to live with a kind of uncertainty that none of us likes. Listen to A Slight Change of plans

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Bobby Bones]

And we're back on the Bobbycast. How did the writing. How was that class? Is it you and Bob? Is it Bob Dylan and Catch?

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, it's Catch Secor Bob Dylan. Co ride 5050 down the middle. And you know what's fascinating, Bobby, is that after the, after we agreed on that co writing split, the manager said, now Bob has agreed to 5050 secordillan. But he'd like Catch to know that Bob Dylan, he says he did not write that song. He learned it from Arthur Crudup.

[Bobby Bones]

Was it so old though that it was public domain?

[Catch Secor]

Well, I listened to Arthur Crudup's song Rock Me Mama. The song was called Rock Me Momma when Bob recorded it. So Rock Me Mama is like rock me Mama, rock me all night, that kind of thing. Memphis guy, he wrot. Well, that's all right Mama for Elvis, right? So this guy, Big Boy Crudup was his name, but in the liner notes to the. To the Rock Me Mama to this album that had Arthur Crudup's Rock Me Mama on it. Arthur says he didn't write Rock Me Mama. He learned it from Big Bill Brunsey. So now we're back to the 20s. See, Arthur Crudup's from the 50s, but he learns it from this guy from the 20s. Big Bill Brunsi, who's part of the great migration, comes up from Mississippi and moves to Chicago. And his song Rock Me Mama starts there. So if you believe it, then, you know that's 1920 to Darius hearing it at his, like, daughter's, you know, high school ukulele concert in, you know, 2010. I mean that's like 90 years for that song. To finally reach the person that was going to go get it out there into the world in such a unique, powerful way.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Different Boom when Darius did it.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I bet you killed on that, didn't you?

[Catch Secor]

You mean dough wise?

[Bobby Bones]

I'm talking doe.

[Catch Secor]

I bet you killed.

[Bobby Bones]

That's awesome.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah. I need to get me a sign

[Bobby Bones]

says Hunt boyhood home.

[Catch Secor]

Yes, sir.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, that's really cool. I only knew a version, like, a very general version of that story. That's crazy that you kept tracking it back.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, true, true. You know, so I don't know about aliens or spells and conjuring, but I know that there is magic in this world because Rock me, Mama like a wagon wheel is a spell.

[Bobby Bones]

Why'd you move to Nashville, Molly?

[Molly Tuttle]

I moved here after Boston. I was hanging out there, and then all my friends were either moving to New York or Nashville, and I just, like. Even when I started at music college, I just assumed I would move to Nashville because all the music I listened to, all my favorite artists lived there. And I just thought it would be so cool to, you know, get to meet my heroes and maybe do things like play on the Grand Ole Opry, which was like a dream come true when it finally happened. So I did. I moved to Nashville in the spring of 2015. So now I'm, like, going into my 11th year here. And, yeah, I lived in Madison at first, and I felt really far away from everything. I was, like, deep in Madison, living in this basement, and. And that was kind of like, I struggled to find friends. I didn't actually really know anyone that well. I thought I knew all these people, but they were just kind of acquaintances. And I moved to Nashville, and I was like, what am I doing? Like, I don't know. I don't even know what to do with myself. I didn't really have an agent or any gigs to speak of. I was kind of trying to put together money to just fund, like, recording a few of my songs to make an ep. And then I just sort of kept plowing ahead. And then after about a year, I moved to house in East Nashville, and that's where I met Billy Strings. I was actually his roommate. For like, a year and a half, I lived with him and his girlfriend and now wife, Allie. They were like, did you guys just

[Bobby Bones]

play music all the time?

[Molly Tuttle]

It was. People always ask me that, and we did, like, when everyone was around. We also had neighbors across the street. This woman, Lindsay Liu, lived there, and she's a great singer and songwriter and plays guitar and bass, and she Would have these big jam sessions and host house concerts. So a lot of the music was centered around her house. Billy was playing like over 200 shows a year and he was just gone all the time. It was really inspiring to see how hard he was working. I think he said once he told his agents, just book me as many shows as you possibly can. And I was also playing a lot, so sometimes we'd. One of us would get home and just like crash for a few days and like not even really do anything. But we did definitely play music. And it was just a really fun street to live on because there was always something going on. Always, like people coming through town and staying with one of the houses. There were kind of these two music houses. There was ours and one across the street. So, yeah, that's kind of how I found my group. I felt like I found my people and that just made it so much. Felt like Nashville kind of opened up then after about a year. But at first it was really intimidating.

[Bobby Bones]

Have you felt both of you in the last five years? Because if I were going to pinpoint it, I'd say around five years for me is when bluegrass really started trickling and then flowing into mainstream more. Have you guys felt that in the last few years?

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, I would say, like, I think the pandemic, like you were saying the last five years or so, coming out of the pandemic, I just noticed this big boom and playing shows before everything shut down because of COVID and then after, it was kind of like night and day, like just the different. There were just like all different kinds of people coming out to the shows, bigger shows, and the audience was just growing and growing. So that's been really cool to see. And I feel like Billy's been such a huge part of that, like just going to his shows here in Nashville. He'll be playing sold out shows at Bridgestone arena. And just seeing like 10,000 people singing along with like a Bill Monroe song from the 1950s is so cool.

[Bobby Bones]

How do you feel about that?

[Catch Secor]

You know, it's a really amazing power that American music traditions have of coming back up, bubbling back up to the surface again. And I agree it's happening right now, very much so. But it happens all through the course of, you know, American popular music, like starting in Nashville. You know, we talk a lot about the outlaw movement. You know, that is a return to roots and basics, the neo traditionalist movement of the 80s with artists like Randy Travis and, you know, Susie Bogges. That's about getting back to just about the song, it's not about the production values anymore. Let's make. Let's simplify. And that simplification is something that country music's always going to be interested in doing. Because we're always looking back and making sure that we did right by our raisin. You know, we're trying to look to our elders in this genre and be both, you know, present, you know, in these times and looking forward. But also, are we doing right to old grandpa and grandma? Would the elders look upon us and still dig this? There's just a through line of tradition here. And I think the guy that really. One way of looking at it is Roy Acuff, who says that what makes country music so unique is that it's not a learned art form, it's an inherited one. So I think with that inheritance, there just. There comes something. There's a responsibility to it. And traditional American music is always gonna find a way because it's so elemental. You know, it's black, white, brown. It is a common denominator. It's a set of chords, it's an instrumentation, it's a sound, and everything's built on it. All these records on the wall are related to the past because of its power.

[Bobby Bones]

One other thing he told me when I saw him a couple weeks ago, it's just coming to my head now because we talked for a while. All I remember is he had a bunch of goo on his face.

[Molly Tuttle]

So now you admit you saw the goo?

[Bobby Bones]

He said, he was bragging on you. And he said, just got engaged. She's up for two Grammys. He said, yeah, that's what.

[Molly Tuttle]

It was so exciting this fall. Cause I found out about the Grammys, and then we got engaged. I was like, I don't know which one I'm more excited about.

[Catch Secor]

Come on, you know which one. That's old Hatch.

[Molly Tuttle]

I know. The Grammys. No, just kidding.

[Catch Secor]

She's been. This gal's been winning Grammys left and right. And my kids like to tease me

[Molly Tuttle]

because they say it took me less time to. Because we both have two Grammys to brag about. Cat, she has two Grammys.

[Catch Secor]

But it took me, like, two decades to get my two Grammys.

[Bobby Bones]

And she just, like.

[Catch Secor]

She just pulled him off the Grammy tree.

[Molly Tuttle]

And they said, dad, why did it take you so long to get two Grammys?

[Bobby Bones]

What is your answer to that question?

[Molly Tuttle]

We called them at the Grammys, and they're, like, roasting him over the phone.

[Catch Secor]

No, they're at an age. And, Bobby, you'll know what I'm talking about when your child is roasting you. I see you've got a lot of awards up here. It won't be enough for your child.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't know if there ever will be enough for a child. They know you.

[Molly Tuttle]

They're gonna be judging you more than any.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

When you did Kimmel, and now I'm thinking back of, like, it's not an acceptance from mainstream. I think it's mainstream understanding it. Bluegrass. I'm intimidated by it because just looking, because, again, I have very general music skills. I can play some chords. I bought a chord sheet from Walmart. I learned to play chords so I could do comedy with music. So I know the cg, D, E, E minor. Like, I can do all the generals. So then I can. I can understand enough because I perform, but I don't. But when I watch you guys play banjo, mandolin, even guitar, bluegrass style, it's so fast.

[Molly Tuttle]

It is so fast.

[Bobby Bones]

And that is extremely intimidating. And so to watch that, you're like, wow, it's like watching a dentist. Like I said, the two things that freak me out are dentists and bluegrass players. But with, like, going on Kimmel, that's mainstream. Starting to have an understanding of how dynamic it is what you do. What was that experience like there in Los Angeles playing Kimmel?

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, it was cool because, I mean, I was. I was so excited about it. I'd done it once before, like, two years ago. I went on and played a song, and I was so nervous because it was the first ever time I'd really been on, especially late night. I hadn't really done much tv. And so coming back and doing it a second time, I kind of knew what to expect, and I was able to just, you know, calm the nerves a little bit more and just sort of have fun. So it was great. Their whole team was awesome. We just. It was very relaxed pace. We recorded it in the afternoon, and we got to come back and watch the taping of the rest of the show. So, yeah, I had a great time, and it was just cool to hear from. Like, my mom was like, all my neighbors are tuning in, and just stuff like that. Like, people back home are watching.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I apologize for not knowing you were on the first time.

[Molly Tuttle]

Oh, well, no worries.

[Bobby Bones]

The last time, I was like, molly's on Kimmel. That's crazy. I didn't know it was old hat to you by then.

[Molly Tuttle]

Oh, yeah, Just old Kimmel. No, it was so exciting.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you feel like with. Again, I would say the last five years, I've started To feel bluegrass just in general musical society. Right. I don't feel like I have to chase it down to find it. I feel like it just exists in spaces. With your last record, do you feel like you can easily incorporate more non traditional bluegrass into your record? Because people are accepting it, so I don't know. It feels like. Because when I listened to your last album, so long, Little miss sunshine. Yes. I love the movie Little miss sunshine. I get those confused.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you feel like that you can. You have the liberties to incorporate things that aren't just bluegrass?

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah. That's kind of what I was hoping to do with that record and still kind of keeping those bluegrass elements of my flat picking guitar and, like, catch played a bunch of banjo and fiddle and mandolin and. But then just kind of infusing it with all these different sounds. And Jay Joyce, who produced the album, was fun to work with because he just was seeing it from this totally other perspective and adding so many cool sounds. So I was happy with how it turned out and my last couple records before that. I really wanted to keep in that bluegrass tradition and, you know, maybe stretch the boundaries a little bit, but not play with it too much. So it was fun on this last record to just like, try something new and try out these different sounds. But, yeah, I think, like, it's funny because in the bluegrass world, they're a little more closed. Like, I've heard from people who mainly exclusively listen to bluegrass that they think my record is just not bluegrass at all. But then people outside of bluegrass call it bluegrass, so that's something I've always sort of ran into.

[Bobby Bones]

It's tremendously bluegrass to me.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

But not so fundamentally bluegrass that I feel uncomfortable.

[Molly Tuttle]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

If that makes sense.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. It's not like going to the dentist

[Bobby Bones]

exactly, but it's like I don't turn it on and just walk by the room. I walk in the room because I'm not scared of it.

[Molly Tuttle]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

The last thing I want to talk about, we mentioned heroes earlier. I know you're going out with Marty Stewart.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

And you're touring there.

[Molly Tuttle]

So excited.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. So. And you got first name. It's Molly and Marty.

[Molly Tuttle]

He made that poster. He made that tour name, and then he put my name first, which was so nice of him. So I would have definitely put his name before mine.

[Bobby Bones]

What's that show gonna be like?

[Molly Tuttle]

Well, I saw him last week. We were both teaching at a camp, and we were just kind of talking because we haven't exactly figured out what we're gonna do. I'm bringing out kind of an acoustic trio for my set, and then he'll have his fabulous superlatives with him. And I love his band so much, so I'm hoping we can do a lot of collaboration, but it's gonna be fun. Like, the winner is sort of the more slow period for touring. So I'm excited to go out with Marty and just see what we can do. And we're doing two weekends in February, but I've never actually gotten to play with him before, so I'm so excited because he kind of weaves in his mandolin playing in that bluegrass and just takes it in a totally other direction with his band. And I love his guitar player, Kenny Vaughn. He's one of the best. I used to go always. I would try to go see him at his weekly shows around town in Nashville. So I hope that we can have some guitar battles.

[Bobby Bones]

That's cool.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

That you can even go out. Like. I can't battle. I'm not efficient enough at anything to battle anybody in anything. Just generally speaking, I'd love to.

[Catch Secor]

Do you ever have openers?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Molly Tuttle]

Oh, are you, like.

[Bobby Bones]

You're too good? No. You know what?

[Catch Secor]

I want to see your show real bad, but I'm not.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm not touring at all now. I did a special last year and CMT picked it up. A comedy special.

[Catch Secor]

You won't do any. Any hard tickets this year.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't have any plans to. Oh, well, I did my special and I was like, I did this. It was cool. I toured it, the theaters all over America and recorded it. Then somebody bought it and I thought, man, I'm good.

[Molly Tuttle]

That's great.

[Bobby Bones]

This year I'm producing a baby.

[Molly Tuttle]

Oh, that's a big job.

[Catch Secor]

Well, in the next couple years, I'm just excited about when you get back to the stage.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, we want to come see your

[Catch Secor]

show because we want to come see the show.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, enough about me. If you want to get tickets to Molly and Marty, you can go to mollytotlemusic.com and get tickets to the show. Are you guys playing Nashville at all?

[Molly Tuttle]

No, we're not.

[Bobby Bones]

I think I get why not. Because I. I love living here. I hate playing here because it's like a big, long meet and greet because everybody comes and then. Then you feel like everybody's judging you.

[Molly Tuttle]

You may not so nervous when I play in that.

[Bobby Bones]

Me too. I'm gonna let out my insecurities here.

[Catch Secor]

It's so stressful. It's always that way.

[Bobby Bones]

There's a lot of People before you have to talk to everybody in the

[Molly Tuttle]

industry comes, get in your headspace. You don't have your normal routine.

[Catch Secor]

London, Louisiana.

[Molly Tuttle]

Nashville, Louisiana. New York's scary.

[Catch Secor]

They just. There's this pressure. Like you're supposed to be really good in these towns, but you can suck in Peoria and nobody will care.

[Bobby Bones]

They think it's the greatest thing you've ever seen. When I go to North Dakota, I'm the king.

[Catch Secor]

I love playing in the North Dakota, too.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, yeah, it was awesome. Okay, Last. Last thing. We're talking about heroes. That's why I remember to talk about Marty. You haven't met Bob Dylan. What hero have you met? I'm gonna ask you guys both this question. What hero have you met and what hero have you not met? You got Bob. Who you haven't. Who have you met?

[Catch Secor]

Merle.

[Bobby Bones]

Tell me about it.

[Catch Secor]

I. Marty is a friend of mine. And Marty was a real discoverer of my band, Old Crow, and brought me under his great big hillbilly wings and just made me feel like I belonged in Nashville. Marty Stewart did that for me. And one of the ways he did it was taking me out on the road with Merle Haggard, who was the headliner on this tour sponsored by the Waffle House. And this was back in the early aughts, you know, a Waffle House tour.

[Bobby Bones]

They got their money's worth on that sponsorship. You're hitting them up in 20, 26.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, I mean, it was just enough. How many ways we got to have our hash browns on that tour.

[Molly Tuttle]

I love their hash browns

[Bobby Bones]

in Arkadelphia. I did it every morning. Well, late night morning. Yeah, yeah.

[Molly Tuttle]

I just love. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So you have met.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, Merle met Merle.

[Bobby Bones]

You haven't met Bob.

[Catch Secor]

Correct.

[Bobby Bones]

Who have you not met?

[Molly Tuttle]

Molly, I was trying to think about the.

[Bobby Bones]

And who have you met? You can lead with or I can tell. I can. I can tell my story while you think of yours.

[Molly Tuttle]

Okay, I'll think of my. Who haven't I met.

[Bobby Bones]

Who I haven't met is my number one, all time hero, David Letterman. Oh. Not met him.

[Catch Secor]

Oh.

[Bobby Bones]

And I don't live in the world of worried that people aren't nice. I just expect nobody to be nice. Therefore, I'm not disappointed.

[Catch Secor]

I bet David's very nice.

[Bobby Bones]

He's my hero. He seems nice. I saw him as a kid and thought, he looks different than everybody else, even a bit awkward. And that was me. And he was from the Midwest. Everything about him said you don't have to look or sound or be like everybody else to be somebody in that space. And I would watch when it was on NBC before I went to cbs, like I wouldn't even know what I was watching. And I would stay up late and watch Letterman every night. And so Letterman is the hero that I haven't met. He's my number one all time hero. Haven't met him. A musical hero I have met like two years ago. And I'm not gonna tell who it is yet, but I'll tell you a story. I was nervous about meeting him only because the first time I was meeting, well, he was playing a show in town first and I refused to do a meet and greet because I had heard he wasn't super nice. Not that he was mean. And I just didn't want it. And also I don't. I'm jaded in that way. So I was like, you know, I'll just go to the show. I did go to the show, but I did not want to meet him, so. And also, meet and greets are weird. Sometimes the artist has plenty of time, sometimes the artist doesn't. And they're humans with awesome days, bad days, etc. I'm gonna pass on that. I go to the show, have a great time. A year and a half or so later, I got a call, hey, would you like to have so and so on your show? And I'm like, absolutely. Very low expectation because even the interviews that I had seen this person do weren't great. Didn't offer a lot in the interviews, but it didn't matter. It's offered to me, I'm going to take it. He comes to the studio, sits for an hour, was the most generous with his stories, was so great. And he said to me during the interview, you didn't come to the meet and greet.

[Molly Tuttle]

Oh, he was waiting for you.

[Bobby Bones]

And I said, I did and I'll tell you why. And he said, I get it. I understand that completely. And since then, I wouldn't say we're friends, but we definitely, we communicate a little, you know, through text. It's Adam Durrett's Counting Crows.

[Molly Tuttle]

Nice.

[Catch Secor]

Wow. Wouldn't have guessed that.

[Bobby Bones]

And it's my favorite band ever. And so I had a very low expectation and it was met really high. And also, I don't like pushing, like, let's hang out, buddy. Because then eventually all humans are human and you'll be like, ah, the dude sucks, but I don't want that. So I love him. He's been so awesome and he's been on the show A couple times. And I go, when he's in town. So that those lettermen know Durrets. Yes. Okay, Molly.

[Molly Tuttle]

Okay. I thought about mine. I think one hero who I got to meet briefly a couple years ago, which was my all time made me so excited, was Joni Mitchell. I met her backstage at the Grammys. I got to announce her Grammy Award. And so right before I was going out to announce she was up for best folk album. And Catch was always also up to

[Catch Secor]

the end competing with Joni Mitchell and my girlfriend.

[Molly Tuttle]

So I felt kind of bad because I was, like, ruining. I. I didn't want to root against you, but I was like, it's Joni Magell.

[Catch Secor]

She was definitely rooting against me.

[Bobby Bones]

Did Joni win?

[Molly Tuttle]

Of course she did win. Yes. So I got to say hi to her right before. And I was like, I'm gonna announce your award. She's the one. I just absolutely love her. And I learned so much from her guitar playing. I think she's so, like. I mean, she's definitely. People hold her in such high regard as a guitar player, but I still think she's underrated. Cause she is just so amazing, as well as her songwriting and singing. But it was really cool to meet her, and she was just super nice, although it was, like, super brief. And then I just handed her the Grammy. I was like, yay.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you have a picture of you two together?

[Molly Tuttle]

I do, and I have, like, a whole video of it. I should print out a picture because that was a cool moment. And then someone who I haven't met, who I've been thinking about this last, like, year or so, that I really want to meet her because she's from the same. She grew up in the same town as me. Palo Alto is Joan Baez. And I feel like I just know so many people who know her or encountered her in the Bay Area. And she's someone I've never met, but I really want to because my mom saw her in a shoe store like, six months ago, and she just sees her, like, around town. I'm like, I need to meet her.

[Bobby Bones]

She seems like she is awesome and also takes no crap.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Still. And that's really cool.

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, she seems like a really cool person.

[Bobby Bones]

What's the instrument that Joni Mitchell plays? It's like, flat.

[Molly Tuttle]

Oh, the dulcimer, Matt.

[Bobby Bones]

Dulcimer. I'm intimidated by that. The Dennis bluegrass and dulcimers. Those three intimidate the crap out of dulcimers, Bobby.

[Molly Tuttle]

You shouldn't be intimidated by it.

[Bobby Bones]

It looks intimidating.

[Catch Secor]

Just say, welcome to the boyhood home of Bobby Bones, Dulcimer master. It's not a hard.

[Molly Tuttle]

It's an easy instrument.

[Catch Secor]

You just go like this. It's just a rhythm.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. That's. People that are really good play it with a stick. Do you know the County Crow Song? That is a Joni Mitchell song. A little trivia before we leave. Joni Mitchell made it a massive hit. Counting Crows, then had a song, oh, Big Yellow Taxi. That's right. No, no, no. It seemed to go, but you don't know what to do.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, a great version of that.

[Bobby Bones]

He did, yeah.

[Catch Secor]

And Mr. Jones. I mean, I'm with you on Counting crows.

[Bobby Bones]

You want Mr. Jones, huh? Mr. Jones. That's like their biggest song. That means if you like somebody's biggest song, that'd be like, I'm a huge Old Crow fan. I love Wagon Wheel.

[Catch Secor]

That's cool with me.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, but you'd know. They're just. Just kind of casuals.

[Catch Secor]

I knew Big Yellow Taxi.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, you did. No, I'm not calling you a casual. You just went right to Mr. Jones. Okay, that'll do it.

[Catch Secor]

Just because he says, I wanna be Bob Dylan, it's something that I have in common with that.

[Molly Tuttle]

Okay, so now you're, like, getting in. Now you can, like, name the lyrics. So you're getting a little more cred.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you know what? Okay, let's go. We're all connected here. Do you know what Darius Song says? That Bob Dylan's cool.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, it's I only wanna be with you. He got sued for that one.

[Bobby Bones]

Ain't Bobby so cool? And I texted like, what's that mean? He goes, bob Dylan, duh.

[Catch Secor]

She was married when he first met. I mean, he took it straight out of Tangled up in Blue. I think he even says, Tangled up in Blue. I only want to be. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, yeah.

[Catch Secor]

That was a big lawsuit in the

[Bobby Bones]

90s for that one. Plus, if you credit the song you took it from, we gotta know how to steal better than that. You know what I'm saying?

[Catch Secor]

Yeah.

[Molly Tuttle]

It wasn't calling out the guy.

[Bobby Bones]

Happy birthday.

[Molly Tuttle]

Thank you.

[Bobby Bones]

That's. Oh, man. This has been super fun for me. Thank you guys both for coming up.

[Molly Tuttle]

Thanks for having us.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm fans of both of you for different reasons. And now. Yeah, you know what? I co. Sign marry her. He brought you here. We haven't been recording.

[Molly Tuttle]

Have you ever officiated a wedding before?

[Bobby Bones]

You don't want me to do that. No, don't gasp. What? There's no Chance.

[Catch Secor]

That was gaspable.

[Molly Tuttle]

So would you like.

[Bobby Bones]

Actually, do you know where you're getting married? If you haven't said it yet, please don't ask.

[Catch Secor]

We don't know and we're not worried about two phone.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, do you know when you're getting married?

[Catch Secor]

We don't know that either.

[Molly Tuttle]

We're basically.

[Catch Secor]

We're newly engaged and we like it that way.

[Molly Tuttle]

What happens? We're calling around and our schedules are so loose. Anyway, that.

[Catch Secor]

Show them the ring.

[Molly Tuttle]

It catches. Great great grandmother's ring.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, really?

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah.

[Catch Secor]

Isn't that cute?

[Molly Tuttle]

It's so cool. The ring was so. I was so surprised. I was like, you kept this a secret because he's had it this whole time.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you keep it a secret, like hidden on you when you guys were. Because he said. Were you at the Redwoods?

[Molly Tuttle]

Yeah, things are coming to my mind

[Bobby Bones]

from the conversation now.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

No, I'm telling you.

[Molly Tuttle]

Really? Like I saw him exactly.

[Bobby Bones]

Surprised we know each other, so it wasn't likely.

[Catch Secor]

I met you one time.

[Bobby Bones]

No, that's not true. I met you at the Opry. We've talked to the opera. You've been on my show. I met you twice. Three times. And also my. Maybe my co host lived next door to you. We have an invisible string with us too. Okay? So don't act like we just met.

[Molly Tuttle]

Don't act like you don't know.

[Bobby Bones]

Bobby.

[Catch Secor]

I just. I'm understanding now why I was so revealing to you when I saw you. I was just so taken that you came out to see my Christmas album release in store.

[Bobby Bones]

I just.

[Catch Secor]

That was a real.

[Bobby Bones]

But I like you guys. And I was over there and I was like, I'm gonna hop in there and watch this. And then it turns out I was an hour early.

[Catch Secor]

Yeah. And that's why I told you my whole life story and my.

[Molly Tuttle]

You really opened the flood.

[Catch Secor]

My love story. Yeah, I might have wept a little bit. I'm not sure how much. How far I went. But I'm glad we're friends and I'm so glad we got to be on your show and it's inaugural season.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes, I know. This is fair enough. Thank you guys for coming by. You guys are both amazing. Much success to both of you in life and in career and I don't know. That's all I have to say. Thank you guys for coming by. Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.

[Molly Tuttle]

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