BOBBYCAST - The Band Perry on Their Return, Eloping in Vegas & Reality of Parenthood

Summary

The BobbyCast: The Band Perry on Their Return, Eloping in Vegas & Reality of Parenthood

Host: Bobby Bones
Guests: Kimberly Perry & Johnny Costello (The Band Perry)
Date: March 19, 2026

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Main Theme & Purpose

This BobbyCast episode features Bobby Bones in an in-depth, warm, and candid conversation with Kimberly Perry and Johnny Costello—known together as the new iteration of The Band Perry. The episode explores the band’s highly anticipated return after a multi-year hiatus, the evolution from a sibling trio to a spousal duo, their personal journey (including parenting and eloping in Vegas), and the realities of making music—and decisions—as a maturing country act. It's equal parts career retrospective, relationship talk, and creative shop talk, all delivered in the honest, conversational Bobby Bones style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Band Perry’s Transformation & Return

• Band Evolution: Kimberly Perry returns as The Band Perry with her husband, Johnny Costello, rather than her brothers Reid and Neil, who have moved on to other life chapters.
  • "The original Band Perry was made up of Kimberly and her brothers Reid and Neil... Now they're back—sort of in season two... but it’s her and her husband now." (03:08)
• Not Strategic, Just Life: Despite Bobby’s jokes about a “genius-level coup,” Kimberly insists the lineup change was not strategic—just a product of organic family evolution and life changes.
  • "It did not feel authentic to me to play Band Perry songs live under the solo artist banner. And also, I just missed the hell out of playing with family on stage, whoever that family ended up becoming." – Kimberly (04:37)
• Hiatus Reason: They needed a break for spiritual and mental health after non-stop touring since childhood; the transition allowed everyone to “grow up a little bit.”
  • "We need a spiritual health break. We need a mental health break... and then we just made this agreement: if we’re ever going to come back and turn the lights on, it has to be an intentional option." – Kimberly (06:06)

Frequently Asked Questions About the New Band

• Top 3 Questions They Get:
  1. Where are your brothers? (Both live in California with their families)
  2. What’s different about season two vs. season one?
     • “We want throughlines” with original producer Dan Huff, but Kimberly’s interested in contributing to the current bold new era of country.
  3. How is it working with your husband?
     • "We play very different roles. I think I’m what you call OCD...and Kimberly is the creative and always been the voice behind TBP." – Johnny (08:46)

Kimberly & Johnny’s Relationship: Meeting, Falling in Love, Eloping

• How They Met: In a Dallas studio while making new music for The Band Perry; instant connection.
  • "I met Johnny in October of 2020 in Dallas... and I just immediately fell in love with him." – Kimberly (09:41)
• Johnny Didn’t Know The Band Perry (A recurring joke—genuinely didn’t know “If I Die Young” or their fame):
  • "He did not know The Band Perry. He did not know a little song called If I Die Young. Any of it." – Kimberly (02:55, 15:45)
• Their Elopement: Eloped in Vegas, at midnight in a hotel room at The Wynn, on a road trip.
  • "We got married at midnight at the Wynn in our hotel room... I had no dress, got married in a neon skirt, white t-shirt, bare feet..." – Kimberly (16:34, 17:14)
  • On why they eloped: "I need to live this moment in my life where I don't tell anybody else. It's just about me and him. I don't really want to go through the whole season of planning a wedding." – Kimberly (18:04)
• Parenthood:
  • Kimberly relates how motherhood has changed her—made her more confident, efficient, and decisive both in life and creativity.
    • "I don't get flustered in the same ways... there's not as much emotional capacity or time. Everything is much more efficient." – Kimberly (31:58)
  • Johnny’s newfound immediacy as a “papa bear”—life changed forever after their son Wit was born.
    • "You kind of have this, like, 'my whole world changed.' I'm like papa bear now... It just feels so natural." – Johnny (31:04)

Nashville, Country Music, and the Craft

• Transition from Solo to The Band Perry:
  • Kimberly didn’t feel right performing classic Band Perry songs as a solo artist; performing with Johnny revived that "family" feeling.
  • "I just missed the hell out of playing with family on stage, whoever that family ended up becoming." – Kimberly (04:37)
• Genre Crossover: Johnny comes from a rock background, finds new appreciation in country’s musicianship and songcraft.
  • "There's so many scenes in music... but country is the one genre that they want to listen to the craft of the song." – Johnny (14:30)
• Creative Efficiency: Parenting has made them hyper-efficient and decisive in their creative process.
  • "We have two hours after he goes to bed before we're exhausted. Let's get a chorus, let's get a verse, and a chorus..." – Kimberly (33:43)

Music Production, Release Strategy, and Inspirations

• New Music: Working with legendary producer Dan Huff.
  • "We've done our first three sides with Dan Huff... we'll go back in March to grab three more." – Kimberly (34:03)
• Release Strategy: Releasing singles leading up to a full album, due in Fall 2026.
  • "We're gonna do a whole album, but we'll do a song at a time leading to the full album." – Kimberly (34:20)
• Favorite Artists:
  • Kimberly: Freddie Mercury (Queen). Describes covering "Fat Bottom Girls," and Brian May complimenting their live version via voice note.
    • "He had sent [Brian May] our version... and he was like, oh, tell them I think it's so beautiful. And if they're ever in London, I'd love to check out a show." (35:45)
  • Johnny: Patty Griffin.
    • "She's like one person that can make me cry... her songwriting is like, it makes you get internally reflective." (36:44)
• Special Album Drop: They donate a copy of Nirvana’s Bleach to Bobby’s collection; it was the only CD in Johnny’s inherited truck during the beginning of their relationship.
  • "I listened to the CD for seven months. It physically defines the bleach. We're blonde hair, bleach, all black... The song 'About a Girl' is a song we kept going back to." – Johnny (70:03)

Reflection on Legacy, Pressure, and Lessons Learned

• Kimberly’s Hard-Won Lessons:
  • Wishes she'd understood, earlier, that her team’s creative control often came from a place of love and protection, not just "control."
  • "After having so many conversations and now thinking back with hindsight... it was based out of love and them trying to protect the thing that we were building together." (60:33)
  • Prioritizes trusting her artistic instinct, but also now values input from smart collaborators.
  • Learned not to let every decision—especially around “legacy”—feel life-or-death.
• Bobby Reflects on Consistency and Friendships:
  • "Where I was right was just being consistent. Consistency is such currency..." (60:04)
  • Admits he isolated himself early out of mistrust, which he sees now as a mistake.

Fondness and Respect Between Host and Guest

• Bobby on Kimberly:
  • Appreciated her confident, direct approach as a woman in a tough industry.
    • "There was a presentation of you were the boss, you were coming in. Everybody needs to just get out of the fricking way. And I respected that." (66:35)
  • Recognizes that often strong women get unfairly labeled, but with Kimberly, "I like you because I think I respect you because you just asked for what you wanted." (67:14)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Thank God I married a guitar player who can keep the family band alive with me." – Kimberly (06:06)
• "The nostalgia that brought us to the country music dance in the first place remains in this era... but country music is more exciting than it’s ever been." – Kimberly (08:12)
• "Eight months [of dating before eloping]. So that's a healthy amount of time." – Bobby (14:05)
• "I never had believed in, like, love at first sight. And that was my experience with him." – Kimberly (19:08)
• "Do you see a different strength from being a mom?" “I do... just a whole different level of assurance, confidence, and making decisions.” – Bobby & Kimberly (31:47–33:07)
• "Perspective. You only get it because you've been through crap." – Bobby (57:43)
• "If you’re good and really good consistently and you show up, man, that is all what success is about." – Bobby (60:11)

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Timestamped Highlights

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|---------| | 03:08–04:37 | Overview of Band's hiatus, reunion, and lineup change | | 06:06 | Why the hiatus happened, reflections on childhood + band origins | | 07:46–08:41 | Top questions fans ask about the new Band Perry | | 09:29–17:31 | Kimberly & Johnny’s love story and elopement in Las Vegas | | 18:04–18:42 | Why elope (“needed a moment that was just about me and him... not planning a wedding”)| | 22:03–22:27 | Being a parent and how it impacts official forms, pediatrician’s office, and family dynamics | | 31:04–33:43 | How parenthood affects creative process; efficiency & decisiveness| | 34:03–36:25 | Album plans with Dan Huff; discussion of singles vs. album releases | | 35:45–36:15 | Brian May of Queen praises Band Perry’s cover | | 66:35–67:48 | Bobby’s appreciation for Kimberly’s directness, strength, and consistency| | 68:22–69:43 | Reid Perry's short return to the band, hometown benefit show after Hurricane Helene | | 70:03–72:12 | Donating Nirvana's Bleach, musical nostalgia, and their relationship’s soundtrack | | 72:38–73:48 | Why choose the new single “Psychological” as their comeback track? | | 73:33–74:36 | Playing the hits on tour and feeling at ease with their legacy |

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Tone & Style

The conversation is casual, honest, self-aware, and loaded with mutual respect and humor. Bobby teases out both light personal stories and deeper reflections, with Kimberly and Johnny providing unpolished, open, and thoughtful answers. There’s a candid acknowledgment of the music industry’s pressures, life’s unpredictability, and learning to balance family, artistic aspiration, and self-care—all delivered in a tone that is both down-to-earth and occasionally wry.

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For Listeners: Essential Takeaways

• The Band Perry is back in a new, authentic way, holding onto the essence of what made them special while adapting to evolving lives and relationships.
• Kimberly Perry’s journey is one of determination, adaptation, personal growth, and now—motherhood and marriage—shaping her both as an artist and as a person.
• Their creative process and ambitions are influenced (and sharpened) by parenting, past industry lessons, and a new sense of balance and efficiency.
• Candid reflections on mistakes, right moves, and the necessity of adaptability make this episode especially relatable for artists and fans navigating change.

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End Note

The Band Perry’s new material, tour plans, and current family dynamic reflect not just a musical “comeback,” but the growth and adaptation that come with life offstage—told with the same honesty and spirit that brought them to stardom the first time around.

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

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[Kimberly Perry]

The day I met him at brunch, we all went thrifting after in Dallas to these thrift stores and there was a Bam Perry T shirt hanging on the rack. He did not know the Bamberry. He did not know a little song called if I Die Young any of it.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, everybody, Bobby Bones here on the Bobby cast today we have the band Perry. They've won Grammys, CMAs, ACM awards. Their song if I Die Young exploded back in the day was a number one country song, also a massive pop song. Now, the original Band Perry was made up of Kimberly and her brothers Reed and Neil. They went away for like nine years. Now they're back sort of in season two. I mean, the band Perry is back, but it's her and her husband now. Now they got a new song called Psychological. They're out on the Psycho Rodeo tour right now. A new era, a new lineup, a new chapter, a new Just a lot of news. Here's my conversation with Kimberly Perry and Johnny Costello, the Band Perry. Good to see you guys.

[Kimberly Perry]

Good to be here.

[Bobby Bones]

I would like to say to your faces what I've said to not your faces. I think you pulled off the greatest coup ever, and I don't know if it got to you. And either strategically or not strategically, this was the greatest coup. And I want to explain myself. You were in the Bam Parry with the two brothers that was the Band Perry, and you guys were massive. It's kind of hard to be the band Parry without your brothers. So you come back, you, your brother and your husband.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yep.

[Bobby Bones]

And then you drop your brother. Now that's a whole. And I was like, that's the most strategic, beautiful launch back to the band Parry ever. Because obviously you want to tour under the band Parry.

[Kimberly Perry]

Totally.

[Bobby Bones]

So was that if it was on purpose?

[Johnny Costello]

Oh, my gosh.

[Bobby Bones]

That would be genius level, like chess and checkers.

[Kimberly Perry]

I wish I could claim that because maybe it would assure job security forever and ever. But no, it just happened the way that it happened. I mean, we chatted last time during my solo era, which was really special. I mean, I was pregnant. I had my son shortly after that project came out. It did not feel authentic to me to play Bam Perry songs live under the Solo artist banner. And also, I just missed the hell out of playing with family on stage, whoever that family ended up becoming. But no, not strategic.

[Bobby Bones]

But just follow me here.

[Kimberly Perry]

Okay. Again.

[Bobby Bones]

And I saw this with Gary Levox when he was touring solo, even though he was the guy. Yeah, it's different.

[Kimberly Perry]

It's totally different.

[Bobby Bones]

You could be doing it. You could written every song. Kimberly Perry and the band Perry are two different sellable entities.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yes. Thank you for understanding. Totally.

[Bobby Bones]

So. And I mean that as complimentary as possible, by the way.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah, totally. I get it.

[Bobby Bones]

So whenever you guys came back and it was one brother, and by the way, your hair being blonde just looked like you were part of it. It was odd.

[Johnny Costello]

I think some people have called me and I'm like, no, I'm Johnny.

[Kimberly Perry]

Well, we've had to be real careful of, like, telling the story that this is my husband and baby daddy, but he is new to the band. This is not like. This is not a brother.

[Bobby Bones]

Husband and brother situation.

[Johnny Costello]

Cause you did share that.

[Kimberly Perry]

And some people were like, it's been a little tricky. So I just wanna say that loud

[Bobby Bones]

and clear, he's not your brother. Also.

[Kimberly Perry]

He's not my brother too.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, had the strategy been to get one of your brothers to jump in for a little bit so you could be mostly the old Bam Perry and then drop him? I thought it was genius.

[Kimberly Perry]

Well, you know, when we took a break in 2022, and I was like, we all need, like a minute. We've been on the road since I was 15. Reid was 10, Neal was 8 at our first show. And it's like their entire childhood, my young adulthood, went to the band Perry. And that was so special. I mean, magical. We say this all the time. Season one happened, and it was beautiful. But in 2022, we had been through so many changes at that point, creatively, otherwise, lots of things that people didn't see. And it was like, we need a spiritual health break. We need a mental health break. This cannot keep touring without just a hot minute to pause. And then we just made this agreement there that if we're ever going to come back and turn the lights on, it has to be an intentional option. And from everybody see where we're at at that point. And, you know, timing plays into season two and how you're seeing it now. Both of my brothers are married. Like, everybody, we were the perpetual kids of country music. You know, it was like, oh, there's the kids, there's our kids. But it was just a cool moment out of the spotlight to Grow up a little bit, and everybody live where they want to live and who they want to live with. And timing was a part of it. And I myself, because I did get to do the solo moment, I just was like, I'm chomping at the bit. I have the energy to rebuild this. We are not going out this way. We are not letting it just end with where? Season one, the disappearance of the band. Perry. I couldn't live with that. Thank God I married a guitar player who can keep the family band alive with me.

[Bobby Bones]

Indulge me. What three questions do you get asked the most? And then answer them so we can move beyond that. Okay, number one.

[Kimberly Perry]

Like, where are your brothers? Where are they?

[Podcast Announcer]

Where are your brothers?

[Kimberly Perry]

They live in California. Both of them married. Reed lives in Joshua Tree with the scorpions and the Snakes. He and his wife are raising five wild mustangs. That's a big question. Another one is, what is different about season two from season one and what's gonna remain the same?

[Bobby Bones]

What's different about. You can answer em.

[Kimberly Perry]

Do you want me to keep going?

[Bobby Bones]

No. Answer it, though. Yeah, answer it.

[Kimberly Perry]

It's very important to me that the nostalgic feelings that brought us to the country music dance in the first place remain in this era. Dan Hough is producing our album. He recorded Pioneer. It's very, like, intentional to make sure that we have through lines. But country music is more exciting than it's ever been since I've been a part of it. Like, there's so many bold artists and bold song statements happening, and we want to contribute to that. Hence our first song. I think those are the top two questions. And how is it working with your husband?

[Bobby Bones]

How's it working with your husband?

[Kimberly Perry]

How is it, babe, working with your wife?

[Johnny Costello]

Wonderful.

[Kimberly Perry]

Never been better, I think.

[Johnny Costello]

I think we play very different roles. I think I'm what you call ocd. So, like, all my cases on the road have cases. I'm always trying to organize all of our road life on the road. And Kimberly is the creative and always been the voice behind tbp. So I think I'm just here to, one, learn the catalog. I come from a rock background where I'm like, this is commercial country, southern rock. Like, there is such an element of, like, when TVP kind of transitioned to larger venues, outside festivals, larger arena tours with Tim McGraw, like, you started to see Dan Hough take the music and go more. Hey, let's have some, like, chainsaw, some done better dig Two, I think that's where my music tastes and my music history Align a lot with. So it's been really fun to just be like, these songs are killer. Like, I want to play them. And then the stuff we've been writing, recording is awesome.

[Bobby Bones]

Was your hair always that blonde?

[Johnny Costello]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Or wasn't it dye to match the band Perry's blonde?

[Johnny Costello]

Oh, no, no.

[Kimberly Perry]

I can show you evidence.

[Bobby Bones]

And I'm good. I believe you. Yeah.

[Kimberly Perry]

No. I met Johnny in October of 2020 in Dallas. Cause Neil and I were working on some music down there, and I just immediately fell in love with him. And I can tell you, he was

[Johnny Costello]

that blonde, Very platinum.

[Kimberly Perry]

But he used to. He was not wearing leather as much then. You were wearing Carhartt overalls without T shirts, shirtless.

[Bobby Bones]

Where are you from?

[Johnny Costello]

Grew up in Dallas, Texas. Yeah, but grew up mostly, like, Germany. Heidelberg. Moved to Texas and then kind of stayed in the Texas scene. Spent several years New York, Louisiana.

[Bobby Bones]

Best hot dog ever had was in Germany.

[Kimberly Perry]

Really.

[Bobby Bones]

I know it was. And it's such a cliche thing. And that's why I actually stopped for the hot dog. I didn't go many places in my life growing up. Rarely left Arkansas. So then when I started to get to go, I wanted to go everywhere.

[Kimberly Perry]

Totally.

[Bobby Bones]

And so the trip that my wife and I went on last night, we went to Paris. And I have this romantic thought of a train. Just because we don't have trains. My stepdad worked at a sawmill. Different kind of train. You don't get on that one. You put saw chips on that one. And if you go to the Northeast, they're kind of cool because you can take trains to cities. That kind of blows my mind, too. But we went to Europe, and I just love the idea of getting on a train and going to another big city or a different country. And so we go to Paris. And from Paris, we are gonna go through, like, Germany. We're gonna get to Austria. We're doing that whole area. And there was a time we got off the train and I got in a car and we were driving through Germany, not Berlin. What's another big German city?

[Johnny Costello]

Heidelberg. Munich.

[Bobby Bones]

Munich. Munich. The best hot dog ever had. And so we stop at a street fair, and I'm like, I gotta get a hot dog. Wasn't even hungry. And we stopped. And my wife's like, you're gonna. We just had lunch. I'm like, it doesn't matter. And the thing about gas stations in Europe, you guys will both know this. They're not gas stations.

[Johnny Costello]

They're like full markets.

[Bobby Bones]

It's fresh, and they're making Bread is awesome. Chefs in there. I wanted to stop at every. It's like a buc EE's every. Everywhere you go in Europe, it's a European buc ee.

[Johnny Costello]

That is three miles. So true, though.

[Bobby Bones]

We stop at this food fair, and I go out and I'm like, where can I get a hot dog? And it wasn't called a hot dog. It was called a worst.

[Johnny Costello]

Yeah, worst versed.

[Bobby Bones]

And it's bigger than the bun. And I get in. It's the greatest hot dog I've ever had in my life. And that's my association with Germany. Was that one stop? Don't know what that means, but I agree.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Are you German?

[Johnny Costello]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

You speak German very well.

[Johnny Costello]

Thank you.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah, I know. I'm like, don't teach this to our son. I don't need you two talking behind my back in front of my face.

[Johnny Costello]

My sisters were born in Germany. I was born in the US In

[Bobby Bones]

DC and then you moved back?

[Johnny Costello]

And then we moved back. I have a little sister. And then we moved to Dallas, Texas, and spent almost my whole life there.

[Bobby Bones]

What were you doing in Dallas? Music, obviously.

[Johnny Costello]

But what I mean, it went from that kind of was high school out, and then I moved to El Paso, Texas, started playing with the guys, Jim Ward out of Sparta at the Drive in, kind of more post rock and roll. And then moved to York and started playing with the worship band Hillsong. And then kind of went from extreme rock and roll to church music to then finding my balance now country music.

[Bobby Bones]

And you guys met? Cause you were recording down there?

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah, I was making a record with Bo Bedford down. He did the Paul Cobb in room 41 album. And we have a good friend that Reid, Neal and I were riding with Aaron Raittier here in town. And he played the Paul record for us in East Tennessee during COVID And I was like, I'm sorry, who's making this music? Where are they? If the band Perry's gonna make, like, a third album, it needs to sound like I want this ethos. And it was just such a cool project. And so I started to just hit up Bo, this guy in Matt Pence down in Denton, Texas. He engineered the record and mixed it. And so we headed down there in 2020 to try to find what the third iteration of our band like, what was the third project? And Johnny actually came to the studio.

[Johnny Costello]

I was living in Austin, Texas, with the great artist Shaky Graves. He had a tape machine studio down there.

[Kimberly Perry]

And our producer and his girl had split, like, the first weekend that we were Recording. And so Johnny came to check on him one weekend, and we sort of tell the story. He met me on Friday night. I met him Saturday at brunch because I had had too many martinis on this particular Friday night. But I just immediately fell in love with him. And so there was a lot of chaos, just going. It was just a wild sort of scene. And you just felt like home to me in the middle of that. And we eloped eight months later, very responsibly. Oh, okay.

[Bobby Bones]

Eight months. So that's a healthy amount of time.

[Kimberly Perry]

So that's healthy. It's not like eight weeks.

[Johnny Costello]

See all the red flags, the green flags.

[Kimberly Perry]

I could have done it eight weeks, though, later. I was just very, very in very quickly.

[Bobby Bones]

She seems a little too commercial for all the things that you just named.

[Kimberly Perry]

Oh, I am. He tells me this all the time.

[Bobby Bones]

Just often seems like you're like, well, here's this commercial country.

[Kimberly Perry]

The word he's isn't corporate.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, okay, fair enough. What do you think?

[Johnny Costello]

I love it. I think I love the opportunity for a great song to be played in front of an audience that loves music. Yeah, that is what I love. Like, there's so many scenes in music of people that like music or people that kind of like it. I think country is the one genre, though, that they want to listen to the craft of the song. They want to hear, like, it just stripped down. There's so many effects and guitar effects and drum effects and tracks and loops and everything. You can start mixing into all types of genres. Where I'm like, if it's a good song, you can put an acoustic guitar or on a raw upright piano.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, romantically, though, you're dating the corporate lead singer of the band Perry.

[Johnny Costello]

It's wonderful.

[Kimberly Perry]

But he didn't know that when he started dating me. I didn't.

[Bobby Bones]

She's actually really cool. But I would just think somebody in car, hardened leather, wallet, chain off your ear. You're probably like, what is this?

[Kimberly Perry]

No, we have our moments. And it usually comes from me going like, you cannot say that to anybody. Like, you have to be nice.

[Johnny Costello]

In spite of all my rage, I'm still just rat in the cage.

[Kimberly Perry]

It's so fun. I mean, I will say, hence the album. The day we met. Well, the day I met him again, Saturday at brunch, we all went thrifting after in Dallas to these thrift stores, and there was a Ban Parry T shirt hanging on the rack, which pissed me off, because I was just like, who got rid of this school?

[Johnny Costello]

It Was upsell. It was like 75 bucks.

[Kimberly Perry]

But he thought I. He did not know the Bamberry. He did not know a little song, God of Ida Young. Any of it really?

[Bobby Bones]

Or is that. No, I believe in narrative, not folklore. Because it's a better story if you say that.

[Johnny Costello]

No, but he really hits the grid on many things. Like, I would, you know, visit certain streaming platforms to access music. And most of it was like, I was trying to have no influence in my life as what I was creating.

[Kimberly Perry]

I really believe him at this point. Like, I've grilled him, but he thought that I had planted the T shirt to, like, impress him.

[Bobby Bones]

That's funny.

[Kimberly Perry]

And I was like, boy. No.

[Johnny Costello]

She goes, you'll find out.

[Kimberly Perry]

I was like, just wait. No, I was. I'm not that. Yeah, no, no, no. But I. But I did kind of say that

[Johnny Costello]

you were a little sassy. I think it was during COVID So I had a Covid mask on. I thought I was cool, and I threw some Wild Berry Skittles in my mouth, but I still had my mask on.

[Kimberly Perry]

I was like, instant love.

[Johnny Costello]

Okay?

[Kimberly Perry]

Instant love.

[Bobby Bones]

And so you guys dated for eight months before you eloped. What was the. Where did you elope to?

[Kimberly Perry]

Vegas. We got married at midnight at the Wynn in our hotel room.

[Bobby Bones]

Why that?

[Kimberly Perry]

So I was on the west coast doing meetings. Three days on the West Coast. We had a day off in the middle. And I suggested we do Disneyland, of course. And Johnny was like, let's just go to Vegas. Let's go do this. I had no dress. I mean, I had got married in a neon skirt, uow. White T shirt, bare feet. And we had a little bit of a litmus test, though. I was like, if this is meant to be, everything has to get done. Like, we woke up that morning, we're going to Vegas. And we had this rule that, like, we wanted to go in a cool car. So if somebody would let us on

[Johnny Costello]

tour, get their black Corvette.

[Kimberly Perry]

Get their black Corvette if they would let us drive it from LA to Vegas. Because a lot of times they just let you take them in the city. If they trusted us to do that. Like, that was one on the list that was like a check. This is meant to be. And the other was to find a 24 hour efficient because we didn't really want Elvis to.

[Podcast Announcer]

That's cool.

[Kimberly Perry]

But we were like, let's have like a moment, you know? And there was a woman who went to divinity school at Vanderbilt and worked Gentle on My Mind when it was a radio single, which we recorded and got our Grammy with. And it just. All these pieces came together, and I was like, let's do it. Let's go get married in neon tonight.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you just do it in your hotel room?

[Kimberly Perry]

Mm.

[Bobby Bones]

What was the room like?

[Kimberly Perry]

It was really nice. And there was a bottle of Whispering angel. Was the. That they just have in, like, all the rooms at the Wynn. So that's now our wedding.

[Bobby Bones]

Why did you feel like you had to get married then?

[Kimberly Perry]

Just wanted to. Didn't tell anybody. I had never made that kind of a decision, especially, you know, I grew up very close to all of our family, so we were all in each other's business. And I was just like, I need to live this moment in my life where I don't tell anybody else. It's just about me and him. I don't really want to go through the whole season of planning a wedding.

[Johnny Costello]

And Reid and Neil knew.

[Kimberly Perry]

Reid and Neil knew because they were in LA with me, which was really cool.

[Johnny Costello]

My sister, Neil.

[Kimberly Perry]

But it was just a season, I think, where I had just always been so deliberate with every decision, and I was deliberate with choosing him. But how I married him, I was like, let's be wild. I was like, I need you to be the Mickey to my Mallory, you know?

[Bobby Bones]

Feels like a homeschool kid who gets to go to college.

[Kimberly Perry]

Well, kind of. Well, Bobby just calls me out. I mean, I homeschooled 11th and 12th grade, and it did feel a little like that.

[Bobby Bones]

And I wasn't even meaning you specific specific, but that's a little cooler than

[Kimberly Perry]

that, to be honest.

[Bobby Bones]

Anybody I know?

[Johnny Costello]

Like a cool homeschool?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, the coolest.

[Johnny Costello]

But, like, they do fun stuff on Fridays.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah. Cool, Cool, cool, cool.

[Bobby Bones]

So it's like you wanted to exercise that part that you haven't exercised. But it was also about him, though, right?

[Kimberly Perry]

It was for sure him.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. I'll make sure that's out there.

[Podcast Announcer]

Thank you.

[Kimberly Perry]

It was for sure him, but I never had believed it, like, love at first sight. And that was my experience with him. And so I think we just wanted our wedding to reflect what felt like the first moment of our relationship, which felt wild to me in the best way. And just not overthink things, because I'm an overthinker.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you ever think you'd be in a country band?

[Johnny Costello]

No. I think I grew up. So I grew up church in Dallas, and Charley Pride lived across the street from, like, our little softball field. And I remember he'd come over, like, the ball would go over, and then he'd Come up for Thanksgiving, Christmas, church. And I always remember, like, wow, he's such a. Stature. And, like, so cool. And I loved country music, but honestly, no.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. I would think about all those bands that you listed that I've never heard of. You're way cooler than. Than, like, us here.

[Johnny Costello]

No, I think what y' all build is so much cooler. Like, magnificent.

[Bobby Bones]

I can also agree with that.

[Johnny Costello]

Yeah, it's.

[Bobby Bones]

And what we do is cool.

[Johnny Costello]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

It's like when you know a bunch of people I've never heard of, I'm like, you're way cooler than me.

[Kimberly Perry]

No.

[Bobby Bones]

Sometimes people will do that. I was with. Doing one of these with Chris Robinson from. And I. I'm a big fan of.

[Johnny Costello]

I've gone out with Chris.

[Bobby Bones]

The Robinson Brothers. Yeah. And so he was talking about all of these artists that inspired him. I didn't know a single one of them.

[Johnny Costello]

Really? Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. That's how I knew that he was like, next level. He was like, you know the Mastodon Clowns? And I'm like, I never heard of the Mastodon Clowns. I don't even know if that's a real band.

[Johnny Costello]

Are you naming real acts?

[Bobby Bones]

He could have hit me with, like, eight in a row that he made up. So. Yeah, that's cool. And you are legitimately still the band Perry because. Well, your last name's not Perry anymore, though, is it?

[Kimberly Perry]

I mean, legally it is, but mostly because I'm just too lazy to do all the paperwork.

[Johnny Costello]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

You're still the band Perry, then.

[Johnny Costello]

She's still the Bam Perry.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

You haven't changed your name.

[Kimberly Perry]

I haven't.

[Johnny Costello]

It's on the to do list for 2027. We'll finish this renovation on this house we're renovating. We'll get her name changed.

[Bobby Bones]

I told my wife I didn't care if she changed her name to my real life because my real last name's not Bones, obviously. And she does not go by Kaitlyn Bones. She'd rather stab a pin in her eye than go by Kaitlyn Bones. Like, no part of her. And even, like, our upcoming child, she's like, that. The child will not be called Bones.

[Kimberly Perry]

Right, Right.

[Bobby Bones]

Because she knows this is, like, a very elevated version of me.

[Kimberly Perry]

Right? Totally. She knows the real you. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Sadly, that's the beautiful thing about marriage.

[Kimberly Perry]

For better or for worse, baby.

[Bobby Bones]

And when we were getting married, I was like, you do not have to take my last name. Aw.

[Kimberly Perry]

Absolutely.

[Bobby Bones]

And then she goes, why don't you take mine? I said, absolutely not. But you did not have to take

[Kimberly Perry]

this name, I do feel for him a little. I'm like, ain't nobody told him to change his name to Johnny Perry yet. That's not gonna happen. But I did wonder if you were gonna get a little bit of that. You haven't?

[Johnny Costello]

No.

[Bobby Bones]

I feel like it was the child that we're about to have that was the reason. She said it would just be easier on the kid.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah, for sure. Well, it is, because I can tell you this, you know, we have congratulations, by the way.

[Johnny Costello]

Congrats. Thank you.

[Kimberly Perry]

Our son is two and a half. And so every pediatrician appointment we go to, like, the onboarding is always like, there's some judgment because they're like, Kimberly Perry, mother, Johnny Costello, father, he's Whit Costello. Are you guys married? You know, like, and I'm just like, well, yeah, like, it's cool.

[Bobby Bones]

They look at you a little bit.

[Kimberly Perry]

You get a little bit of a.

[Johnny Costello]

Do your parents know?

[Bobby Bones]

Even though they probably got shotgun married, they totally, totally.

[Johnny Costello]

We don't have Vegas. We have shotgun.

[Podcast Announcer]

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[Bobby Bones]

You mind talking about the kid for a minute? Yeah, we're in the process. You know, soon enough it's gonna happen. When you had your baby, do people know you were there?

[Kimberly Perry]

What do you mean by that? Like did I just go out? Like were we in a baby bubble? Is that what you're saying?

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, I'm just gonna tell you the story that that makes me ask this question. We went and we toured the hospital because we wanted to see where we parked because I didn't want it to be like oh God and then panic, go to the wrong one. I'm at the vet and they're hospital's

[Johnny Costello]

over here for sure.

[Bobby Bones]

You know, so go. We do the thing and went in and it as soon as I went in, I'm not whining, I want everybody. I'm not whining. As soon as I went in I didn't realize that it was a group. They did these group tours because I didn't. We didn't ask for anything solo. We're not going to call and be like that. There were five other couples, and one of the couples was, like, taking pictures and recording us the whole time.

[Kimberly Perry]

No, that's not cool.

[Bobby Bones]

Which is a very vulnerable place. I understand the job that I do. I get it everywhere I go. It's fine. I built this, and people see me in public, and I love it, and it's great.

[Kimberly Perry]

Totally.

[Bobby Bones]

But there are certain places where it

[Kimberly Perry]

feels like the maternity ward, like, so

[Bobby Bones]

much so where I never really had that feeling of being protective.

[Kimberly Perry]

Totally.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, that felt right in that moment.

[Kimberly Perry]

Because you're not just protecting you anymore. And just you and your wife, you also protect.

[Bobby Bones]

So that bothered me. And it was. And again, I'm not Jimmy Fallon or Obama or Trump. It's not that level of fame. But if I'm in there and people know, are they gonna come try to take pictures? So I wonder, is that something you worry about?

[Kimberly Perry]

I think an alias is an option. So we were in under an alias, and then I'm not sure where you guys are delivering. We delivered it here in Nashville. But there was an option to be on a private floor, which was really cool. And then under an alias. And that was sort of like what we chose to do.

[Bobby Bones]

I never would have thought to even ask that. But that's kind of. That felt so intrusive.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah, no, that's a lot.

[Bobby Bones]

And I've had my house broken into. I've been jumped. I've had all this stuff happen to me, and that sucked. And I get it, man. It was a whole different level.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah.

[Johnny Costello]

Puts your end in, like, papa mode, where you start to, like, detect.

[Kimberly Perry]

It's different.

[Bobby Bones]

It kind of pissed me off.

[Johnny Costello]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bobby Bones]

When it was happening, I was like, at least fake it. Cause you guys know when someone's phone

[Johnny Costello]

goes up, oh, my goodness.

[Bobby Bones]

There's an angle of a phone.

[Johnny Costello]

See the light bulb?

[Kimberly Perry]

Also, to your point, there's some basic humanity that has to come into play. And maternity ward taking photos and videos of you guys is not cool. But that's a human thing. Like, they should know that. That's totally not on you guys. They should know that.

[Bobby Bones]

How was the labor? Like, what's up?

[Kimberly Perry]

He's looking at you, which is hilarious.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm looking at you right now. Because you had to go through what I like, what?

[Johnny Costello]

Over.

[Kimberly Perry]

Tell me, how painful was that for you, Johnny?

[Johnny Costello]

No, I wasn't going there. I mean, the couch, not comfortable. But it was. It is just like. I guess you don't realize it. I remember leaving the hospital and, like, walking Back in, I went and got chick fil a. And I walked back in. I just watched. They were wheeling wit right by me. And I was like, oh, that's my kid. Oh, whoa. Like, you're just like, whoa. Your life changes.

[Kimberly Perry]

But the process.

[Johnny Costello]

The whole process of it was rocks. I mean, the anesthesiologist was a rock star. Like, you're just like, oh, my God.

[Bobby Bones]

What about the wife? Like, do you feel different about her after seeing her do that?

[Johnny Costello]

She's mighty Kimberly. I feel like Kimberly is how. I feel, like, how everyone knows her. They're like her voice, her spirit. She writes music about topics that we all kind of don't want to talk about sometimes. And so she's willing to go deep and dark. I think she just like, there was one moment you were like, okay. And I was like, you good? And she's like, I got this. And I was just like, yeah, of course. Like, it's trippy. It's full confidence moment, but it's so real. I mean, I think both of us coming out of it, I think that's where we both were like, whoa. Our life has changed forever.

[Kimberly Perry]

And it was just the two of us. Like, we did not have. We chose to not have family waiting in the waiting room. We were like, we got this guy. Y' all can meet him on the other side. That was really special for us because I think it just, like, took us to a whole new level of our relationship. But that is. I mean, that 24 to 36 hours of going from like, oh, he's on the way to, oh, he's here is.

[Johnny Costello]

Have you made your playlist?

[Kimberly Perry]

It's intense.

[Bobby Bones]

No. Any songs that I suggest? Because I'm. I've had a few suggestions. Counting Crows. I threw in a little Hootie. My wife is.

[Johnny Costello]

It's a vibe.

[Bobby Bones]

My wife's almost 12 years younger than I am, and that is not her vibe.

[Kimberly Perry]

What does she want? Does she have her.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, she's got, like, you know, big Bieber fan, Harry Styles fan. She loves Kacey Musgraves. So she definitely has, like, a vibe.

[Kimberly Perry]

Got it.

[Bobby Bones]

And so I'm sure it'll be a lot of that. But, yeah, it's also not. The joke that I make with her is, can we not make this all about you? Like, when we get in there, let's not make this all about you.

[Johnny Costello]

Right. Ground rules.

[Bobby Bones]

So. And I was asking you first. Cause I feel like you had my eyes and how it's going to be. My therapist told me not to put any Sort of judgment on the emotions that I have. Meaning. There are some people in that moment that have this complete euphoric state. There are some people that it doesn't happen then because of whatever else is happening. Like, it can be substituted for fear, anxiety. And that euphoria comes later. As the dad, how did you feel?

[Johnny Costello]

Do you just have it? Like, you are. Like, you're always a protector of your partner, but then you're also just like. You're like. When you hear him coming out of the room crying, and then, I mean, for what? He was peeing, and they were like, oh, not in there. Like, they had to turn him real quick. And so you just kind of have this, like, my whole world changed. I'm like papa bear now. Like, you just kind of get into this realm of, like, it feels so natural. Like, I just get so excited. I think my whole life, I was kind of like, kids, I don't know. And then now it's like, once we got married, I was like, well, we get to have family. And then we had a kid. I was like, it's such a great progression in your life that you get to have a kid because it just kind of matures things that you have anxieties about. Like, there's some things you overthink or you get in your head about, and you're like, when you become a parent, you kind of just don't think about that anymore.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you see. Do you have a different. You've always been a very strong person to me. I feel like you've always been a very strong. You've had to be this industry. You had to be totally. Do you feel a different strength from being a mom?

[Kimberly Perry]

I do. And that strength comes in confidence. I think it's sort of like just a whole different. I don't get flustered in the same ways. And the things that I would trip on, I just don't trip on anymore. A. There's not as much emotional capacity. There's not as much time. Right. So everything is much more efficient. Even your feelings about things feel like, well, this. I'm gonna let this roll off because I just don't have the energy to give to it. But I also think the confidence for me as an artist walking through even out a project pregnant, that was massive for me. I think we might have even talked about that back then on the podcast, because just the physical expectations that we have for our female artists, it's tough. It's tough to live up to. And so that was huge for me. And then for him to now be here, gained confidence in that season. Now I'm confident, knowing like I'm his mama. I'm his mama bear. He's got papa bear here. Like whatever happens in his life, we can't control every element of it. But it's ours to sort of protect him as much as we can. Just a whole different level of like assurance, confidence and making decisions that come with that.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you feel that creeping into your creative lives at all? Music you make, songs you write?

[Kimberly Perry]

Yes. Being decisive.

[Johnny Costello]

Yeah. Your time, efficiency changes. I mean, I know with everything you run, you have to be so adamant about like when you become a parent, you just like really lock in. Like, I've got 35 minutes, I'm gonna knock this out.

[Kimberly Perry]

Boom.

[Johnny Costello]

You get like pre wit.

[Kimberly Perry]

We would just go like, let's go do a two day somewhere. Let's just go right for two days. We can have the strength to kilo.

[Johnny Costello]

Like we would be. So we'll like sleep like upstate New York. Like let's just bring one acoustic nylon string. And then you're like, thank God, no

[Kimberly Perry]

time for that now.

[Johnny Costello]

What do I have? Six string banjo. Here we go.

[Kimberly Perry]

Like now it's like, okay, we have two hours after he goes to bed before we're exhausted. Let's get a chorus. Let's like get a verse and a chorus. We'll drink some red wine. But we're still gonna be up at 6:30 no matter what. So our efficiency creatively is so much more sharp.

[Bobby Bones]

How much stuff do you have recorded that you haven't put out yet?

[Kimberly Perry]

A little bit. So we've done our first three sides with Dan Huff, of course. Psychological is Alice. We've done two more. We go back in in March to grab three more. So I think this whole album we're gonna go in batches of three.

[Bobby Bones]

Are you releasing them in batches of. I know you have one song out, but are you doing like the. Or are you gonna do a whole album?

[Kimberly Perry]

We're gonna do a whole album, but we're gonna do the thing where we do a song at a time leading to the full album. So we're looking at like a follow.

[Johnny Costello]

I was gonna say. Can I say album in the fall.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah, album in the fall.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you think about the culture of singles or clusters or albums?

[Kimberly Perry]

I like singles leading to albums. I can't. My brain doesn't function in any other way other than this is an era. This is like the ethos that we're building for a project. But I don't mind releasing Those songs one at a time. Because it would always bum me out that, you know, radio is such a long journey and it gives you exposure on a song. Like, no, but I was always like, but what about the other, you know, 10 songs on the album that you may want to focus on? I do think at least the single releases allow you to give each song that you care about their moment.

[Bobby Bones]

Who's your favorite artist of all time?

[Kimberly Perry]

Of all time? Oh, God. When you said that, I mean, I have so many. But Freddie Mercury of queen is probably like, queen. Yes. But Freddie Mercury, should you share your queen story?

[Bobby Bones]

You have a queen story?

[Kimberly Perry]

I do. I'd love to have a little bit of a queen story. So since literal day one, we've covered fat bottom girls, and when we play acoustically, we do a bluegrass version of it. And so we were playing for a Gibson event, Gibson guitar event a couple months ago, and the CEO of that company invited us to play shout out.

[Johnny Costello]

Cesar.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah, Cesar. And he had his phone out, and I was like, cool. He just wants to check out, you know, the video of this later. And he came up to me after the show and he's like, listen to this. And it was a voice note of Brian May. He had sent him.

[Bobby Bones]

The guitar player.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yes, the guitar player. He had sent him our version of this, playing it live. And he was, oh, tell them I think it's so beautiful. And if they're ever in London, I'd love to check out a show. And I died in the best way. I died. I was so excited. That band has just meant so much to me over the years.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you ever go to London?

[Kimberly Perry]

I haven't been since the voicemail. But we're going to. And we're going to call Brian and he's gonna come see us play fat bottom girls, the bluegrass version we're manifesting.

[Bobby Bones]

What about you? Favorite artist of all time?

[Johnny Costello]

Oh, boy.

[Bobby Bones]

You gotta go one. Just pick one.

[Johnny Costello]

I'm gonna go Patty Griffin.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, that's good. I was here in Austin a lot.

[Johnny Costello]

Really?

[Bobby Bones]

I lived in Austin for 12 years. I didn't know that that was my favorite cities ever. Yeah, still, it's like the greatest city.

[Johnny Costello]

It is. It's like, Patty's the best.

[Bobby Bones]

Why Patty, man?

[Johnny Costello]

She's like one person that can make me cry. Like, you hear there's some signs. You're like, oh, man, I hope this light turns green. But you're just like Patty. I was not ready to go deep on a Tuesday morning like her lyrics. I don't know why it's her vocal. She means it. Like, it's just her songwriting is like. It makes you get internally reflective on stuff that's going on in your life.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, I would see her and Robert Plant at like Whole Foods.

[Kimberly Perry]

That's crazy. Cause they dated for a second, right?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, they were together.

[Podcast Announcer]

That's wild.

[Bobby Bones]

They'd be together at Whole Foods, but I lived in Austin.

[Johnny Costello]

Were they together?

[Bobby Bones]

I don't know how long? A few years.

[Johnny Costello]

Yeah.

[Kimberly Perry]

I think I saw them one time in Leapers Fork. Really? And I was just like. It was all my dreams, just in one little.

[Bobby Bones]

Isn't that wild?

[Kimberly Perry]

It's wild.

[Bobby Bones]

It's also really crazy to see see anybody famous out in the wild.

[Kimberly Perry]

Totally.

[Bobby Bones]

Even though we're in a world of. We understand what the industry is, and for sure everybody's normal. Actually, everybody's kind of cuckoo. More so than normal. Right. To do this.

[Kimberly Perry]

Totally.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, you just got to be like a screw loose. But it is always kind of fun to see. I saw Jeremy Allen White.

[Johnny Costello]

Who?

[Bobby Bones]

Chef. You know, my wife and I saw him at what's the hell?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Health.

[Bobby Bones]

The health food in LA store. Thank you, Air1. Yeah, yeah, we saw him at Erewhon, just chilling. And I'm never gonna bother anybody. And I was just like, dude, I know famous people. That's crazy.

[Kimberly Perry]

That's wild.

[Bobby Bones]

It was just like seeing a panda.

[Kimberly Perry]

Wait, so did you go say hi?

[Bobby Bones]

No, of course not. I never said anything.

[Kimberly Perry]

Did you take a sneaky pic?

[Bobby Bones]

No, I took nothing. No, I. Wait till I went to the maternity ward.

[Kimberly Perry]

I took a picture. That's a good recall.

[Johnny Costello]

Hey, are you having a baby anytime soon? I'd love to get some video.

[Bobby Bones]

Really intrusive video of you.

[Johnny Costello]

Can I do the tour and the pregnancy, the birth?

[YEAH Nonprofit Representative]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Great.

[Podcast Announcer]

That's awesome.

[Bobby Bones]

I saw him and I was like, that's crazy.

[Kimberly Perry]

That's wild. Movie stars are a different level, though, in my opinion. And maybe it's just cause we do music and it's cool to see musicians in the wild, but movie stars and TV stars are like.

[Bobby Bones]

I feel like athletes from when I was a kid.

[Johnny Costello]

Yeah, that's true.

[Bobby Bones]

Really? Anything from when I was a kid is cool.

[Kimberly Perry]

Totally.

[Bobby Bones]

Because I idolized certain people because I didn't know any difference. Right. I'm 12, right. So it's like, first time I met Garth Brooke, I was like, this is not Earth. And then to be become friends. Friendsish with Garth Brooks, but like Mark Chestnut.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Coming to play my studio.

[Kimberly Perry]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

I was like, this is crazy.

[Kimberly Perry]

It's wild.

[Bobby Bones]

Like somebody That I like, you know, adored as wrestlers. Don't even start it.

[Johnny Costello]

Really.

[Bobby Bones]

Don't even get me started.

[Johnny Costello]

Yes, that's tight love.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, if you were one of my favorite celebrities ever. I have a white whale list of three celebrities I've never got to interview, and one of them is Sting the wrestler. Not the singer, but the wrestler. And I've tried.

[Kimberly Perry]

I can't get him, really.

[Bobby Bones]

I know, but it's. But it's like childhood. Like, that's who it was for me. But Freddie Mercury was not alive for you, though.

[Kimberly Perry]

I know, but my dad was a big rock and roll fan, and so he, like, we cut our teeth early, you know, band, as we were forming, me as an artist, I would just do cover songs and, like, listen to these songs, figure out how to play guitar to them. But he, Freddie Mercury, shaped my, like, personality so much. Because back then, it wasn't like, oh, let me go find a choreographer to help me figure what to do with my hands. I would just watch the Live Aid film over, over and over. And he had, like, the mic stand that wasn't, you know, planted. He would, like. It's just so dramatic.

[Bobby Bones]

Can I give you the unfair, probably incorrect interpretation of your childhood that I have in my brain?

[Kimberly Perry]

Please.

[Bobby Bones]

That your parents were a mix of Earl woods and Joe Jackson, the dads, because they were both so prolific. The Jackson 5 were so pro. They were so good. They were kids. He was too hard on them. Not saying about your dad, but to actually get kids to be excellent at something extremely difficult. Earl woods, too hard on Tiger, but ended up being the greatest golfer of all time. Was that at all what it was like with your parents?

[Kimberly Perry]

So I think they were hardest on us when it came to our focus. Like, it was like, hey, we don't need distractions. So, like, when I wanted to date and that sort of thing and my brothers, it was sort of like, this is not getting you where you want to go. So that part became a little bit complex. Like, some of the just things that, you know, young kids and young adults are so focused on, they would really encourage us strongly to, like, keep your eye on the ball. But when it came to, like, the excellence of, like, I go back when we sort of auditioned, if you will, for all the labels in town, we did that at our manager's office, Bob Doyle, speaking of Garth Brooks, Bob Doyle's office. And we played acoustically. And I go back, I still have a video of that. And I was like, man, that was. You were good.

[Bobby Bones]

But I can see it.

[Kimberly Perry]

It Was so tight, you tested out

[Johnny Costello]

a music theory in, like, fifth grade.

[Kimberly Perry]

I think I ruled it with the iron fist when it came to, like,

[Johnny Costello]

your music knowledge, especially as a musician with a band is always like, whoa, she can change a key, redesign it. And you're like.

[Kimberly Perry]

But I had to work on that over the years because I also remember, like, my brothers sitting me down at one point. They're like, you can. You can be nicer about it, though. You know, I'm the oldest.

[Bobby Bones]

It's hard, though, if you want great things to happen sometimes.

[Kimberly Perry]

You're right. It's so hard. And I will say, there came a time where I did, you know, and it was sort of like, let me acquiesce to every voice that's around us right now and just be a little more chill. And I don't know that that served us well either, you know? So I think it's, like, definitely a fine line between excellence. You gotta sharpen each other, like, for sure. And sharp means sometimes it's gonna poke a little bit, but, man, we can't get apathetic to it either, because.

[Bobby Bones]

Were your parents hard on you?

[Kimberly Perry]

They were hard on keeping us focused.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you go to prom?

[Kimberly Perry]

I did, but I went to a Southern Baptist school in Mobile, Alabama, and so our prom was a banquet with karaoke.

[Bobby Bones]

So that wasn't in a Baptist church?

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, my dad's a pk. All of his father and then all of my great uncles were Southern Baptist preachers. And my parents weren't, like, as conservative as that. They were like, hey, go ahead. Like, have the after party to work all you want, you know? But the school did not have a proper prom.

[Bobby Bones]

Did they want you to be a band more than you guys wanted to be a band that you.

[Kimberly Perry]

That's a good question. I was completely obsessed with being in a band. The first band I was in was the worship band at that high school at said Southern Baptist school. My boyfriend played bass, and so we figured out we could spend more time together if I was the lead singer. And so he called me and invited me to do this. And rehearsal was at his house. I couldn't sleep the night before. I was, like, completely obsessed with making music with my friends and my brother's. Eventually, rehearsal got moved to our living room. They observed that as very young boys, you know, and they just were obsessed with jumping on the drums and the bass as soon as these guys would go out to, like, play basketball. And we loved it.

[Bobby Bones]

Were you allowed to listen to secular music?

[Kimberly Perry]

There was a time when I did. There was a time when my parents cut a deal with me to like, if you'll give up. It was the day. I'll tell you when it was. I always talk about this on stage when we play acoustic sets. I went to Walmart one day in eighth grade and I was like, Mom, I need these two CDs. And it was Dena Carter's, Did I shave my legs for this? And the Spice Girls with, like the Wannabe. I don't even know the name of the album, but it was with the Wannabe song on there. And I got no doubt Tragic Kingdom, which on the back of it had a little, you know, orange that said Sunpissed. And my mom got her hands on all three of those records that she had just bought for me at Walmart to, like, see what her kid was listening to. And they came to cut a deal with me. They were like, we'll replace all of this music with Christian music and we'll buy you a new CD every month. But you can't listen to this for a second. And I did the deal for a minute, which was formative for me too, in a different way. It was like Darcy was Clay D.C. talk.

[Bobby Bones]

And that's the golden era.

[Kimberly Perry]

The golden era.

[Johnny Costello]

The golden era.

[Bobby Bones]

Flood still hits really hard.

[Kimberly Perry]

Dude, it was so good. It was on pop radio, man. Jennifer Knapp.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you remember all of them? So, yeah, you got a good time for them to make that deal with you. When did you get to go back, though?

[Kimberly Perry]

It was like two years later. Because I think they also understood the bounce of life. But literally, she's gonna give her life to music. So we need to make sure that she has all these music vitamins, if you will.

[Podcast Announcer]

The Bobby Cast. We'll be right back.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Podcast Announcer]

Wu Tang Clan the Final Chamber comes back home an encore. Killer bees swarming on new location locations with special guests. Bone Thugs and Harmony get tickets this Friday atthewutangclan.com.

[Bobby Bones]

hey, it's Bobby Bones from the Bobby Bones Show. You know, Eddie and I recently stopped by YEAH in Nashville. It's an incredible nonprofit empowering kids through music education. Thanks to Hyundai, we recorded a special podcast episode while we were there. Check it out. What's the Dream for yeah in the next few years?

[YEAH Nonprofit Representative]

We would love to have more consistent programming during the weekend. Our Rock Block program is dependent on funding venues that are available to host band based programming. We would love to extend the camp to a second consecutive week so that kids can go a little bit deeper into what they've created during the first week camp. And we'd love to expand our programming to offer more industry related skills like audio, lighting, production, recording so that kids can be on a trip track to see where what they may create with an instrument can lead, but also to welcome those that may not want to be on stage but lack the opportunity at school to have an entry point into music.

[Bobby Bones]

The full episode is out now presented by the Hyundai Ioniq 9. To donate and learn more about yeah's mission just visit yahrocks.org support for the

[Podcast Announcer]

show comes from Public the investing platform for those who take it seriously. On Public you can build a multi asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto and now generated assets which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index with AI. It all starts with your prompt. From renewable energy companies with high free cash flow to semiconductor suppliers growing revenue over 20% year over year, you can literally type any prompt and put the AI to work. It screens thousands of stocks, builds a one of a kind index and lets you back test it against the S&P 500. Then you can invest in a few clicks. Generated assets are like ETFs with infinite possibilities, completely customizable and based on your thesis, not someone else's. Go to public.com podcast and earn an uncapped 1% bonus when you transfer your portfolio. That's public.com podcast paid for by Public Investing Brokerage Services by Open to the Public Investing Inc. Member FINRA and SIPC Advisory Services by Public Advisors llc. SEC Registered Advisor Generated Assets is an interactive analysis tool. Output is for informational purposes only and is not an investment recommendation or advice. Complete disclosures available at public.com disclosures.

[Bobby Bones]

This is the Bobbycast I grew up very much in church. My grandmother was Pentecostal. She raised me. I grew up Southern Baptist. I was president of the FCA which is Fellowship of Christian Athletes. Like I did all of that.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And when I get going out to college I got a like a bucket of water dumped on me.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And I was then obsessed with learning about Socrates And Aristotle, Plato, like all these philosophers and sin. And I bet I felt like I was sinning by wanting to learn things other than what I had only been taught growing up. So that was a phase for me to just understand that me wanting to learn more did not mean I was doing wrong.

[Kimberly Perry]

Totally.

[Bobby Bones]

Because I felt that for sure for a good almost year.

[Kimberly Perry]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

And I'm still fascinated with philosophy, but because I was so in church and then I wanted to learn about things that I had never been exposed to, I definitely had a generational run of learning about everything that wasn't that.

[Kimberly Perry]

Right?

[Bobby Bones]

Did you have that?

[Kimberly Perry]

Yes and no. I think I definitely had that when it came to the arts and my parents, because my brothers homeschooled a lot longer than I did. So with them, they would have these moments called homeschool moments. We're gonna allow you. We should expose you to this record or this move. You guys need to branch out a little bit. And so I think they were actually really chill, making sure that culturally, we had a little bit of everything. I, in my own walk in faith, never really had the moment where it was like, I can't remember who talks about this. There's this pastor that talks about, you know, you're in this box and sort of like, everything that's given to you, and you have to do this thing where you deconstruct it, and then for a second, you just throw it all away. And then there's a third box when you put the pieces together that, you know, you've come to know and believe and make your faith your own. And so I've never had sort of the phase where I threw everything out of the box, but I definitely. Because. And that comes from the church construct a little bit. I appreciate the church, but there have been moments of being church hurt because I started music in the church. When I stepped out, there were a lot of people, even in our local church community, that were like, well, this is not the right thing to do. And I just had a sense that, like, no, like, I'm pretty sure I know what God called me to do. You know, he and I are talking about this. And so there was a little bit of. I didn't always appreciate that church culture, pinning that on my purpose, but when it came to the faith, it was always like, I never had the moment that I threw everything out. But it definitely has been refined, and it's definitely been made mine. You know, you always say, God doesn't have grandkids, you know, so it's like, it has to be ours. And it's very individual.

[Bobby Bones]

That's interesting, the box, because I think I brought some of those back in the box with. But definitely left a lot of them out.

[Kimberly Perry]

That's three. And that is your relationship with me.

[Bobby Bones]

I think what I hold on to from growing up so deeply embedded in my church is that they took care of me a lot. I didn't have food a lot of times, so I got fed. Wednesday night I would go. And there was a security there.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And, like, that's the stuff that I take with me to the box.

[Kimberly Perry]

Taking care of community, Taking care of your family. Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, those are my positive memories of my church, is that there were people there that were like, we got you. We don't really know you that well, kid, but we know things ain't going so good, so we're gonna help you eat. Like, fundamental needs.

[Kimberly Perry]

That's so sweet.

[Bobby Bones]

But I like that third box. Like, you got your box. Cause I definitely had to kick my way out of the box.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Now I'm in a new box and I'm like, you know, I don't really love this box either. So I go to the third box and I pull some stuff from both.

[Johnny Costello]

For sure.

[Kimberly Perry]

Totally.

[Bobby Bones]

And I think going to college to me and taking philosophy classes was big for me there. I had a philosophy teacher named Dr. Green. And again, I thought I was going to hell. The first semester I took a philosophy class, I was like, I'm going to hell. I signed up for hell. Basically, I thought. I signed up for an I thought hell class. And so we're learning fundamental. And it all starts with Socrates.

[Johnny Costello]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

And I'm learning about, you know, they're learning about the cave, which is not Socrates, but I'm learning all this stuff. And I took him for a semester, then took him for a second semester. And it was then when I started to not have guilt about it, and I thought, you know, I'm going to do something I've never done before. I'm going to go and find this teacher and tell him how much that he meant to me. Even though he was not a person that stayed after class, was not super warm, that wasn't his vibe. He was there to teach freaking philosophy and get out. Older people, man. And I said, you know, I'm going to go on Monday. It was like a Wednesday or Thursday, and I'm going to go to his office hours. Because who goes to office hours, right? Losers. Yeah. Who goes to losers go to office hours. And so I was going to go to his Office hours on Monday and tell him how much that that meant to me growing as a person. And he died on Sunday. I never got to tell him. And I hold on to that. I'm not perfect at it, but I think about that sometimes and go, man, if I got something I got to tell somebody, do it.

[Johnny Costello]

Yeah, that's cool.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah. Wow.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, I gotta do it. He freaking died on Sunday. How selfish of him.

[Kimberly Perry]

Can't believe.

[Bobby Bones]

Didn't he know Monday I was coming?

[Johnny Costello]

The news was coming.

[Bobby Bones]

I know.

[Johnny Costello]

The validation.

[Bobby Bones]

He was so impactful to me. Had no idea. And I was good. But that moment is so impactful to me. Thinking back. And again, I am in no way perfect, but I do hold onto that and go, man, you know what I learned from that? That if you got something to say to somebody that meant something to you, you should probably just go ahead and say it.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah, totally.

[Bobby Bones]

And that's from that experience. So what did you take from the first season of the Bambary to now where maybe you had to learn a difficult lesson?

[Kimberly Perry]

Oh, man, so many lessons. You know the old cliche like hindsight is 2020 is so real. Between season one and season two, I think. I think one thing that I've allowed myself to rest in and also find the energy for season two, actually, Scott Borchetta said this to me a couple months ago. He was like, season one happened. All of that happened. It was so magical. Let it be magical. Now. Season two is gonna happen and it's gonna be in a wholly different way, but it's not gonna be less magical. We just gotta rebuild it. We gotta. This is day one. And that felt really cool to me to like, know, not feel like you're choosing one thing over the other or in some ways they're not compatible. It's like, no, these things perfectly are married together. Enter these two seasons in your life. I think the other difficult lesson that I learned the hard way was I was always so hyper fixated on legacy. And if your songs are making your legacy, you have to be obsessed with every single song that you put out or you're undoing your legacy. And I really got tripped up, especially the second half of Pioneer. I didn't not love the decisions that were being made for the songs that were going to radio and sort of defining our career in that moment. And I made some pretty sweeping decisions to change the team because I didn't like those and felt like they were undoing our legacy at this point. Compromise in the right way and understanding that it's a Journey. There are going to be mountaintops, There are going to be some valleys. Your legacy is based on the whole story. I have my head so much more wrapped around that now than I did in the moment. And I would tell little me, like, it's gonna be okay. Let's get through this song moment, talk about if it worked or if it didn't, and then, you know, just make cooler decisions moving forward. So that was a hard lesson to learn. I think that it derailed some things that we had built, for sure.

[Bobby Bones]

But you mean just going, screw this. We're.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah. And it wasn't exactly that, but I definitely changed so many. I mean, we left our label over some of those things that now I'm back home with. And I know now in hindsight, and honestly did six months after leaving, it was like, oh, no, that was the family that killed for us, you know, at that label. But it became so. Everything felt like a life or death moment. And those moments when it came to what was happening to our song legacy, and looking back, it was like, no, there was just, like, gonna be the next song, and we can just all sort of get on the same page with that. But it did not feel that way in the moment. And I just want to tell younger artists that, too. Everything is so heightened. Like, I wonder sometimes with all these superstars that are coming out of our format right now, like, what does it feel to them in the moment right now? Because even now, country music's such a bigger part of pop culture than it was when we started out. And there are just sort of these moments, I feel like such a blur because it's all happening so fast. And sometimes you can't look back at those moments with clarity until you're out of it. But I feel for these younger artists, and it's just sort of like, this is a marathon. There are going to be these peaks. There are going to be challenges. But it's your legacy is the whole through line. You know, the whole story.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Perspective. You only get it because you've been through crap. And that's why I'm talking about it. If somebody would have told me, hey, everything's not so serious, I would have been like, you're old. You have no idea. Yeah, that's literally how I would have reacted to it, because I was like a bull in a china shop when I came to town.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, I do not care. Also, I was so insecure. And that's a bad mix when you're wildly insecure and you also know exactly what you Want you feel like people don't understand you. I was just. I was kicking holes in doors and pissing people off. And that's showbiz, baby. I wish I could shake that person and go, it doesn't have to be just like this.

[Kimberly Perry]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

Because I. And any time I saw myself as not being. Being exactly right or with, like, full attention towards something, it was weakness. I felt like people saw weakness in me if I didn't know every little thing and why I was doing it. Like you said, not the case. I wish I could tell somebody, but I don't want to be unknown.

[Johnny Costello]

That's so true.

[Kimberly Perry]

I know. And like, they'll earn. They'll learn it.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. It's all. It's perspective, gain. Doing it mostly doing it right, wrong, sometimes getting it right.

[Kimberly Perry]

Totally.

[Bobby Bones]

But I completely feel what you're saying there because again, I just think of you as being somebody that, right or wrong, knew exactly what she wanted.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah. Right. And then you get to set your priorities. Like, is it based on just keeping this trajectory perfectly, you know, in the ascension position, or is it being true to your sangha? Like, we get to choose these priorities,

[Bobby Bones]

you know, I want to do this exercise with you. I'll go first. So you don't think I'm just putting it on you.

[Kimberly Perry]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

Where do you think it went wrong and where do you think it went right in your career? And I can go first. It was just a type of vamp because I'm putting it on you. I think for me, I was so afraid of making friends here because I did not think that anybody would like me for who I was, only for what I had and what I could provide them, that I made no friends. Everybody was an enemy. I would. I was wrong. Yeah, I was. I was extremely wrong. That made me very prickly on purpose. But I was like, I will have no relationships in this industry because why do they like me? Nobody likes me.

[Kimberly Perry]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

So they must only like me for what I can provide them.

[Kimberly Perry]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

I was wrong. I'm actually pretty cool sometimes.

[Kimberly Perry]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

Where I was right was just being consistent. Consistency is such currency.

[Kimberly Perry]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, the one thing I don't do a lot of things great, I do everything really good.

[Kimberly Perry]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't think you have to be that great, but occasionally. But if you're good and really good consistently and you show up, man, that is all of what success is about. Because you can't really predict it in a business like this.

[Kimberly Perry]

Totally.

[Bobby Bones]

Because there's nothing normal about this or the decisions being made. That's my wrong and right. I love that that and also wanted to give you time to think about your answer.

[Kimberly Perry]

No. That's amazing though. I think where it went wrong or what I did make a wrong decision about and maybe didn't pay attention to in the time was like when everything felt like other people were. I always would call it like creatively controlling me. I do think after having so many conversations and really now thinking back with hindsight to those moments, it was based out of love and them trying to protect the thing that we were building together versus just control. So I think we can ignore a lot of I certainly did things by calling it something that maybe it's not, but it's like a nasty word like control and then it just makes us go like I won't be controlled by anybody. I do think it would have been smarter to pay attention to everybody who was in the trenches building that together in that moment and not just sort of plant my heels. What I think I did right is trust my artistic instinct and again, that's gonna lead us in various places at different times. But I am very proud that I've done that since Day Think. Coming back in season two, I am trusting my artistic instinct fully and also have the like the people skills at this point to explain my point of view and be open to really smart people's advice about my artistic gut.

[Podcast Announcer]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Podcast Announcer]

Thirty years ago, Wuang Clan changed hip hop forever. Last year they sold out arenas worldwide. And now the final chamber comes back home. Wuang Clan and Encore. If you saw it last year, you know what this means. If you didn't, this is the moment with special guests Bone Thugs and Harmony. Get tickets Friday at the Wuang Clan date. Wu Tang Forever. Killer bees swarming on new locations.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby Bones from the Bobby Bones Show. You know, Eddie and I recently stopped by. Yeah, in Nashville. It's an incredible nonprofit empowering kids through music education. Thanks to Hyundai. We recorded a special podcast episode while we were there. Check it out. What's the dream for? Yeah, in the next few years we

[YEAH Nonprofit Representative]

would love to have more consistent programming during the weekend. Our Rock Block program is dependent on funding venues that are available to host post band based programming. We would love to extend the camp to a second consecutive week so that kids can go a little bit deeper into what they've created during the first week camp. And we'd love to expand our programming to offer more industry related skills like audio, lighting, production, recording so that kids can be on a track to see where what they may create with an instrument can lead, but also to welcome those that may not want to be on stage but lack the opportunity at school to have an entry point into music.

[Bobby Bones]

The full episode is out now presented by the Hyundai Ioniq 9. To donate and learn more about YAH's mission, just visit yahrocks.org support for the

[Podcast Announcer]

show comes from Public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously. On Public you can build a multi asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto and now generated assets which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index. With AI. It all starts with your prompt. From renewable energy companies with high free cash flow to semiconductor suppliers growing revenue over 20% year over year, you can literally type any prompt and put the AI to work. It screens thousands of stocks, builds a one of a kind index and lets you back test it against the S&P 500. Then you can invest in a few clicks. Generated assets are like ETFs with infinite possibilities, completely customizable and based on your thesis, not someone else's. Go to public.com podcast and earn an uncapped 1% bonus when you transfer your portfolio. That's public.com podcast paid for by Public Investing Brokerage Services by Open to the Public Investing Inc. Member FINRA and SIPC Advisory Services by Public Advisors llc. SEC Registered Advisor. Generated Assets is an interactive analysis tool. Output is for informational purposes only and is not an investment recommendation or advice. Complete Disclosures available at public.com Disclosure closures. And we're back on the Bobby cast.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you think when she says all that? Because you weren't here for all that.

[Johnny Costello]

I know it's. It's partial learning and then partial. Like yeah, that makes sense. Like I think there's just a confidence that Kimberly's had within music. Like I think so many people can do music. I think so many people can play music. I think so many people can have people write their albums for them and they can have a long career in music. I think Kimberly Is someone who. Who, yes, should be a recording artist, but has to be a performing artist. I watch her on stage and I'm like, man, she makes. If it's a song she's written or a song that is a pitch and that three songwriters wrote on music row, you know, super young. She still makes it feel intimate, like she wrote it. You're like, that's her voice. Her voice has an ability to, like, give you a feeling of relatability, but also just like, is that what she's going through? I just think that's where it all makes sense.

[Kimberly Perry]

That's cool. I do love performing. It's my great.

[Bobby Bones]

Love the thing that I always liked about her. It's easier to tell you this even though she's here. Cause it'd be weird to be like, you know what I liked about you?

[Kimberly Perry]

But guys, continue.

[Johnny Costello]

Yeah, she's like, this is not weird about it.

[Kimberly Perry]

Please keep going.

[Johnny Costello]

Do we want to elongate this?

[Kimberly Perry]

Should this be a two hour podcast today? Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

What I liked about her was that I respected that you just didn't f. With her that honestly. Was it because, like, I got. I. There was a presentation of you were the boss, you were coming in. Everybody needs to just get out of the fricking way. And I respected that. I didn't. I don't always have to agree with, but I always appreciated that about you.

[Kimberly Perry]

Thank you.

[Bobby Bones]

Because she was always the same. And I talk about consistency, man. I love people that are consistent. If you're super nice, you're super mean, you're in a bad mood, good mood, I like to know what I'm getting.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah. Same dude. Totally.

[Bobby Bones]

And with you, even with the version one of the band with your brothers and now and you know, we don't hang out. But like, I like you because I think I respect you because you just asked for what you wanted. And I think some people were afraid of you because of that. But I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think you have. And to be a woman in this industry, you have to be so much stronger. And I think that B word can get attached. And it's unfair because if a dude was doing it, it's just a strong right. But if a woman's doing it, oh, she's kind of a. And I think that's so unfair.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

But that's what I liked about her.

[Johnny Costello]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I knew what I was getting every time people were afraid of her. I liked that because I think people were, like, afraid of me.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah.

[Johnny Costello]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

They're like, this guy.

[Johnny Costello]

She's out here building that.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, you're doing it, like, loved it. I still really love that about you.

[Kimberly Perry]

Thank you.

[Bobby Bones]

That's why I was excited that you were coming in. And I'm excited.

[Kimberly Perry]

Thank you for the invite that you

[Bobby Bones]

guys are, you know, doing it again. And the coup that you pulled on the Bam Parry being back.

[Johnny Costello]

Oh, my goodness.

[Bobby Bones]

The most strategic. It's awesome. Awesome. Playing festivals now.

[Johnny Costello]

Reed's like, no, no, no.

[Bobby Bones]

I know which brother came back for a minute.

[Kimberly Perry]

I. Reid.

[Bobby Bones]

And then. So how long was he in before he left again?

[Kimberly Perry]

So our very first show back, we actually. The catalyst for it was a hometown benefit show. We live in Greenville, Tennessee. Hurricane Helene hit our town hard, and there was. I mean, what, like, 500 families lost homes. It was crazy.

[Johnny Costello]

There was, like, 50 full homes that needed to be rebuilt. Morgan Wallen came in, donated half,

[Kimberly Perry]

and

[Johnny Costello]

then we finished the rest. With the hometown benefit show to cover by the next Christmas, we could get every house we built.

[Kimberly Perry]

So that was in January. It was like, we're gonna flip the lights on. This was, like, a good reason to come back together. We'll see what happens. Neil was, of course, making his solo project, so timing. And Reid came on in from Joshua Tree, and we just had so much fun. And so it was like, should we play more shows this year? This was last year in 2025.

[Johnny Costello]

Reid and I had played music during the hiatus together, so hence, that's why it kind of. That felt very organic.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah. And he played a handful of shows. I think he was just like, I really. I like my life out here. So he's doing artist management. He made that decision, I think, in, like, October, in the fall. Yeah, yeah. And it was cool. We got to write, though. He'll have some songs on this new project that we wrote together, which was really cool. But that's what I love about country music. It allows you to evolve into exactly what you want to be and how you want to shape your life. And for him to be in artist management, everything that he learned from season one, too, is so cool that he can give that to a young artist and help shape where their future goes.

[Bobby Bones]

You know, we have a lot of people that come in, and they. I say donate. They donate great music, like an album that they love or that shaped them. Would you mind picking up the album that you brought, Johnny Boy?

[Kimberly Perry]

We collectively chose this, but this was the one that he was like, I

[Bobby Bones]

see Nirvana bleach, so tell me why.

[Kimberly Perry]

Go ahead, Wanvan.

[Johnny Costello]

This is the album that 4 Purpose of Love for it, but also out of not choice that we listened to. The first week we started dating, I had been. Got a truck from a friend. Raylan Baxter's dad was Bucky Baxter, pedestal player for Bob Dylan. And he had passed and he gave me his old 365,000 mile truck. Drove it from Kingston, Nashville, Tennessee, down to Austin, Texas, and this CD got stuck in it and I couldn't. Like, I took off the interface. I could not get this CD out of it. So we just listened. The first week we started dating, I listened to it for kind of had that six months, four. So I listened to the CD for seven months. It physically defines the bleach. We're blonde hair, bleach, all black. We always wear black leather. So it kind of fits the function. But the song about a girl on it is kind of a song we kept going back to. And it's like Nirvana's Spirit, I feel like very much fits this new season to the collab of what we're trying to go into.

[Kimberly Perry]

I just really want to be the country Kurt and Court, truthfully, you want to do both. Mm. That's.

[Johnny Costello]

I do like their vibe with Spirit. Our little kid is just. I call him Little Kimberly. I'm like, oh boy, here comes Lil Kimberly. He's just running through the house. He's like, mom, Popsicle.

[Kimberly Perry]

But it was funny.

[Johnny Costello]

You want a popsicle? I'm like, little Kimberly's here.

[Kimberly Perry]

You'll eat a dozen. But this was quite a vibe, driving through Dallas, Texas, meeting a brand new love of your life and having the Bleach album stuck in the CD player of a track that had how many miles on it?

[Johnny Costello]

I made 365. I think it passed on.

[Kimberly Perry]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I was a Nirvana nerd because it was just the age. So if you're me, Nirvana was a big part of your childhood. And I didn't get to Bleach, which was before the Big Stuff, until I totally demolished their current record. So I wasn't cool enough being from Arkansas to have heard Bleach, but then I ate bleach up after. I was just looking for anything after Kurt Cobain died. You're like, I was chasing live recordings. And so then I listened to Bleach a lot. And then some of those songs ended up being on what's one of my favorite albums of all time, which is kind of a cheat, but I love the Nirvana Unplugged live in New York.

[Kimberly Perry]

Oh, it's so good.

[Bobby Bones]

It's the greatest.

[Johnny Costello]

Has it ever been Recreated like, it's so the greatest.

[Kimberly Perry]

It's amazing.

[Bobby Bones]

And I feel like a cheater because you can't really pick a greatest hits. But they're also doing David Bowie. They're also doing a lot of songs, and they're doing them in different ways and. Yeah.

[Kimberly Perry]

So just so killer.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm a big bleach guy.

[Kimberly Perry]

Love it. Thank you for letting us contribute.

[Bobby Bones]

I can't wait to add it to the collection.

[Kimberly Perry]

Stache.

[Bobby Bones]

So I guess my final question is, you know, you put out this new song. Like, why this song?

[Kimberly Perry]

Psychological.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Kimberly Perry]

Well, you know, I love a good Psycho girl love song. I mean, I felt like it was better Dig two's Kid Sister. We love Bold Moves here. Obviously, in the Bampari. I felt like of everything that we've recorded so far, this song, to me, was the perfect balance of, like, the poetry that I Love and OG Bampiri songs. But. But it feels perfectly seated in 2026 country music. Everything is so exciting. These artists in this format are, like, you know, swinging for the fences out here. And I felt like this was equal parts Bold Move, but also reminiscent of. If you loved our band from the beginning, you're probably gonna love this song.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you play all the hits on tour?

[Kimberly Perry]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

And you feel better about playing all the hits then?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Kimberly Perry]

Versus as Kimberly Perry. That just did not feel natural to me. Again. Again, I'm so happy I made that album. But I was just like, this is. This doesn't feel right.

[Bobby Bones]

I really enjoyed this. I normally don't like having an interview with more than one person I know well. Cause I feel like I've gotta make people, like, if I'm talking to you for a while, then I gotta reach over and give you a little rub on the head. Like, that's really, like, something. I hate interviewing cool bands.

[Kimberly Perry]

That's so funny.

[Bobby Bones]

I love Old Dominion. I don't like having them all in because I like all those guys individually. And you just want to make everybody feel felt. This has felt good to me. I hope it felt good to you guys.

[Johnny Costello]

Thank you.

[Kimberly Perry]

Thank you for having me.

[Johnny Costello]

I appreciate it. Have a. When is Baby coming?

[Bobby Bones]

That's a great question. One that I will not answer on a microphone.

[Kimberly Perry]

Amazing. But when?

[Johnny Costello]

Yeah. That was not casual. I was not.

[Kimberly Perry]

When Baby is here. You guys give us a call if you have any questions. If you need us to go chase anybody out of the maternity award, we got you.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, man. That really. I've never told that story that fired me up. And I don't react my baseline Right here. Always right here. Never too high, never too low. I got pretty fired up.

[Kimberly Perry]

Believe it.

[Bobby Bones]

About that. Yeah. I hope you guys, I wish you the best of success.

[Kimberly Perry]

Thank you so much.

[Bobby Bones]

And obviously I think the world of you. Just got to know you. And I'm glad you didn't dye your hair blonde just for this. No, but if you would have, I'd have been like, that's a coop.

[Kimberly Perry]

This is not real.

[Johnny Costello]

It's a great strategic. I'm like, I'm not fully natural blonde,

[Kimberly Perry]

but definitely we're now more naturally gray.

[Bobby Bones]

But do you share the same hair?

[Johnny Costello]

Yes, we do.

[Kimberly Perry]

Of course. Of course. The band Harry.

[Johnny Costello]

The band Harry. I know we do want to do a hairspray and we'll call it a share spray because I feel like that's kind of the vibe of what we do.

[Kimberly Perry]

For sure.

[Bobby Bones]

I hope you guys have a great time on the road. Good luck with the new music. There they are, the band Perry.

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