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BOBBYCAST - Tucker Wetmore on CMA Nerves + Why He Dropped Out of College to Pursue Music + A Complicated Family Story + Going From DoorDash Driver to a Nashville Pub Deal
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Tucker Wetmore
I move back home, and then I remember sitting her down, I was like, mom, I think I want to do this music thing. And she goes, I've been waiting for you to have this conversation with me.
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Bobby Bones
Okay, we're going to hop into episode 564 with Tucker Wetmore, who had a number one with wind up Missing youg. He's got his Brunette world tour kicking off in February. You can get tickets@tuckerwetmore.com I mean, so much to say about this guy, and I think we talk about a lot of it here. Great athlete in high school and even college. His story about moving to Nashville, just life now and how 2025 was a big year for him. So here we go. This is Tucker Wetmore here on the Bobbycast. Tucker, good to see you.
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Tucker Wetmore
Good to see you.
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Bobby Bones
We were just talking about the holidays before we started this, and you asked me the question, how's Thanksgiving? And I was like, it's fine. It really was good.
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Tucker Wetmore
That's good.
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Bobby Bones
I don't want you to feel weird about that question because it really didn't give you a good answer. It was a very long pause. I've been injured, like, and I'm gonna put my foot up. So I want you. This is out of respect. You're a former athlete. You've been hurt worse than I've been. I tore my ankle and I just had surgery, and I've just gone from cart to boot. This is like, my first two days in actual shoe.
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Tucker Wetmore
How's it feeling?
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Bobby Bones
Sucks.
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah. Yeah, I've been there.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, you've been there far worse than me, and I'm much older. But you had. What did you do on your legs?
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Tucker Wetmore
So I've blown this knee out twice, and then this ankle and, like, spiral fractured all the way up my tibia, I think it's called.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah.
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Tucker Wetmore
Still bother you when it's cold, my knees kind of do its thing, but most of the time it's. It's fine. They're so advanced with the surgeries now that it doesn't really bother me too much.
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Bobby Bones
I went in and they took cadaver cartilage because I tore my cartilage. And they put it in, glued it together, and they were like, do not turn your ankle for the next five weeks. It will rip again. And so Thanksgiving, I was in a boot the whole time. That would have been my answer, but then I thought, he doesn't care. And I was just gonna go, I didn't care. No, I literally. He asked. He's a nice guy. He asked a nice question. I should have just said, it was great, man. Thanks for asking. And we could have moved on, but it said I got really awkward, and I had the existential moment of, do I tell him it really sucked or not?
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Tucker Wetmore
Well, I'm sorry to hear that.
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Bobby Bones
No, it's all good.
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Tucker Wetmore
The food was good, though. Okay, well, we're here. We're still breathing.
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Bobby Bones
I just found out, Tucker. Thanks for asking. I just found out, like, six months ago. I'm allergic to dairy, which eliminates all good food.
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Tucker Wetmore
That's really unfortunate.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah. Yeah.
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Tucker Wetmore
Got a bum ankle. Can't drink milk.
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Bobby Bones
Thanksgiving was good. And thanks. The food was great. Yeah, thanks for asking.
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Tucker Wetmore
I love to hear it.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, I had, like, the devil and the angel on the shoulders going, tell them the truth. No small talk. Get out of there.
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Tucker Wetmore
What do.
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Bobby Bones
What do you do for fun?
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Tucker Wetmore
Oh, gosh.
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Bobby Bones
We were debating that before you came in.
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Tucker Wetmore
Okay. What do you think?
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Bobby Bones
It's one of those, again, where I'm gonna say, I think you probably spend so much time on the road, it's probably hard to write because you're gone so much that you probably prioritize when you're home, hopefully getting to a rested place so you can write. And sometimes resting, as in, you probably want to go do things that let you decompress, like fish. You play ball at all? Can you?
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Tucker Wetmore
I golf now.
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Bobby Bones
Okay.
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
So what do you do? That would be what I would guess.
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, that's pretty spot on. I mean, nowadays, I don't really have time for too much, you know, free time. You know, everything I do is fun, you know, like being on the road and riding and, you know, playing the shows. But, you know, I like to fish. I like to be outside. I feel like if I'm indoors too, too long, I kind of go stir crazy. So I like to go touch grass more often than not. I like to golf, hang out with my friends.
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Bobby Bones
Do you ever go home?
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Tucker Wetmore
Not often.
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Bobby Bones
It's so far. Yeah, that's what's tough for you. Like a lot of the people here, we all grew up somewhat around Nashville. A lot of us from the Southeast. I'm from Arkansas. Yeah. So it's like we go back to Georgia or Arkansas or Florida or Oklahoma. You got to go all the way friggin Northwest.
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, it's a, it's a long flight, but I get out there probably like once or twice a year. I was just there, you know, the Thomas Rat tour, we did like a kind of like a hometown show in Ridgeville, Washington. That's probably like 25 minutes away from my hometown. But I'll go home for, I want to say like five days around Christmas time. Just spend time with family, see some friends. But it's, it's, it's a place that doesn't change, you know, so it's kind of. I go home and it's a little depressing, but I, I get to see my people. So it's not at the same time, but I can only spend, you know, a certain amount of time being there.
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Bobby Bones
What are the Wetmores known for?
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Tucker Wetmore
Oh, gosh, That's a great question.
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Bobby Bones
Take your time. I struggle with Thanksgiving, so I asked you a really hard one.
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Tucker Wetmore
That's a great question. I mean, it's gonna sound cliche, but just being kind, I guess. My family's great. My mom's an angel, My grandma's known by everybody in the county. I don't know, just living life day by day like everybody else is what we're known for.
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Bobby Bones
What's your mom like?
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Tucker Wetmore
She's one of those people, I feel like the good Lord has filled her cup with so much love that she doesn't have any choice but to like spill it onto others. That's the kind of person she is, you know, Always thinking about other people. Very selfless. My number one fan, always, always in my corner.
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Bobby Bones
Was she super supportive of you and you wanted to start doing music?
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, she was the one that was like, absolutely, go do it.
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Bobby Bones
Did you go to her with the hey, I'm thinking about doing this, or what do you think about me doing this? I'm gonna do this in front of you. Like, how did that go?
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, so it was after I dropped out of college. I was playing football in Montana and ended up getting injured like we just talked about. And then I moved back home and then started playing music again. Because I started playing music when I was like 10 or 11 years old. I started on piano, guitar, trumpet, Then I started writing a bunch after, after college and Then I remember sitting her down on a couch, like, we're sitting right now. And I was like, mom, I think I want to do this music thing. And she goes, I've been waiting for you to have this conversation with me because, you know, even back in the day, she would always push me, like, hey, you. You kind of got something, so you should pursue that. I'm like, but football, you know, I want to play ball. And then it was kind of like a sour relief for her, I feel like, because she wanted. She wanted me to do that. And, you know, she saw something in me that I didn't really see at the time. And she was very supportive. Helped help me drive down from Washington. It took us like, three or four days. And I'd. I had Covid, actually, during that whole trip. So she did most of the driving. I think I did probably four hours of driving total. But she. She helped me move and then, you know, paid some bills when I first moved to town because I had no money, Just a handful of songs and a dream.
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Bobby Bones
Did she do music? She wasn't musical at all?
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Tucker Wetmore
Nope.
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Bobby Bones
Then how were you playing instruments?
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Tucker Wetmore
I have no idea. I. I guess. Okay. So I grew up in the church. My grandpa was a pastor. And, you know, being around the church my entire life, literally every single day being in the church. And my grandma would. Would sing the hymns, and I grew up in a Samoan family, so they're very. I don't know if you ever hung out with, like, a group of Samoans.
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Bobby Bones
I. I never have.
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Tucker Wetmore
It's. It's a. It's a bucket list item.
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Bobby Bones
I usually hang out one at a time with Samoans. Never done. I've never done a group.
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, it's. It's a. It's a fun time.
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Bobby Bones
Are you Samoan?
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Tucker Wetmore
Apart Samoan.
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Bobby Bones
Like, in your heart, though, like, when you look in the mirror, do you see a Samoan guy?
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Tucker Wetmore
I'm definitely a mutt in a lot of ways. I don't. I don't know. I mean, I grew up around Samoan culture my whole life, especially, like, in the summertime, always, you know, doing cookouts and listening to reggae and, you know, all my aunties and uncles and, you know, it's a huge family type thing. And. But yeah, to answer your question, I mean, Simone's a very musical people and very loving people and giving people, and, you know, I just grew up around that, and it was. It was kind of one of those where, like. And I've said this before, but we'll be sitting in the in the living room. After Sunday church, we just had early dinner and watching football, and somebody would start singing Amazing Grace. And then the next thing you know, the whole family's just harmonizing Amazing Grace in the living room. Coming kind of thing. So I. I definitely grew up around that, and I think that's my. That might be where it kind of stems from, but I definitely found my own love for music.
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Bobby Bones
So your grandpa was a pastor?
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Tucker Wetmore
Yep.
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Bobby Bones
You mentioned your grandma.
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Tucker Wetmore
Mm.
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Bobby Bones
Do you call her grandma? Do you. Northwest what? Do you call her grandma? You do call a grandma.
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Tucker Wetmore
Yep.
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Bobby Bones
Your mom. Is your dad not around, or was he around?
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Tucker Wetmore
Not. Not really.
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Bobby Bones
Hey, my dad wasn't around. I don't even know my dad.
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Tucker Wetmore
No, I definitely do know my dad. It's a. It's a complicated situation. He wasn't.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, I've been there. You know. You guys have. Don't really talk. You do talk a little bit or.
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Tucker Wetmore
No, I haven't talked to him a long time. Long time.
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Bobby Bones
First time my dad reached back out to me was on Facebook once publicly. Last time I saw him at 5. I didn't see him again until I wrote my second book. And I was just telling people I was writing this book about facial fears, you know, struggle. Don't you know? And so the thing I was scared of most was going to meet my biological dad because he left. He just left, like, straight up. Nothing was wrong. Just decided to leave my mom. My mom and my grandma raised me, and so my grandma adopted me for a long time. And so I went and I set up a thing and met him. It was bizarre. It was the first time I'd ever seen somebody that looked like me.
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Tucker Wetmore
Really.
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Bobby Bones
I saw him again. I didn't know my dad. I was very angry. I still have, like, crazy resentment toward him for leaving when I was 5 years old and leaving my mom in that place because she got pregnant at 15.
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
And that ain't an easy life.
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Tucker Wetmore
No.
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Bobby Bones
And so I remember seeing him in the parking lot, and it looked like a. Because he was 17. They were kids, and a little bit of my brain has to go. They were kids. Making kids decisions.
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
And I saw him.
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Tucker Wetmore
Dude.
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Bobby Bones
It was weird. That's wild. I'd never.
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Tucker Wetmore
When was this?
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Bobby Bones
Probably five or six years ago.
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Tucker Wetmore
Oh, wow.
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Bobby Bones
Maybe. Maybe seven at this point. But around in that.
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Tucker Wetmore
How old are you now?
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Bobby Bones
45. I was in my 30s.
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Tucker Wetmore
That's crazy.
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Bobby Bones
I was scared to death. And it was so bizarre. And we went into this barbecue restaurant, and I saw him walking by, and I'm Telling you, I don't know if you look like your biological father, your mother, whomever. I. I don't have really, like, a family. Like, my mom died drugs and alcohol. She died in her 40s, and so I never really had a family. So I never was really accustomed to, like, having conversations with people that I was related to. And I was sitting at a table with him going, this is the weirdest thing to sit with somebody that was a parent. Aside from all the resentment, all the anger, all. Everything that I had sitting across from him, I was able to kind of separate that way. This is the first time I've ever done this in my life because my mom and I, as much as she raised me and was in and out, she was an addict her whole life. So there was never a real, like, true connection. But, yeah, the whole dad thing's weird. When you said that, it kind of brought something up in me because I didn't meet my dad, and I made myself go freaking meet him. And it's weird. We don't have a relationship now, but I don't hate him as much.
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
Because I've come to understand.
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Tucker Wetmore
And y'.
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Tucker Wetmore
Y' all talk now or.
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Bobby Bones
No, he's in my sister's life a little bit, and I respect that. She's much younger, so she didn't. She wasn't a part of really being alive when he left.
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Tucker Wetmore
Gotcha.
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Bobby Bones
So all with her has been. Bonus.
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
With me, there's a lot of. He jumped and he left me and my mom, and that was very difficult for all of us.
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, well, I mean, within reason, you know, that's just. That's. That's crazy, man. I didn't know that.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, I mean, I just. When you said that, it reminded. But I remember. And my whole point of that was I. I wrote this whole book, and it was all really pragmatic ways to success. And I thought, I am such a hypocrite, because I've listed all these things that I hope people take from me in my life and my journey, and I hope they, you know, extract through my failures and a couple successes. But I felt like such a hypocrite because the one thing I was so scared of, I'd never done. And I texted a cousin, got his number, texted him, was like, hey, your son. I'm gonna be in town. I wasn't gonna be in town, but I was just giving him a point to meet me. And then I met him, and it's really one of the most nervous days I've ever Been in my whole life.
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Tucker Wetmore
I could only imagine.
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Bobby Bones
It's crazy. When's that? When's the last time you've been really nervous?
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Tucker Wetmore
CMAs for that. For that CMA performance? I. It was. It was weird, though. It wasn't like. How do I explain it? So, like, the. The days before I was nervous, and then the day of. And I was. I get kind of quiet when I'm nervous, and then the day of. You know, obviously, we have, like, a bunch of interviews surrounding the CMAs a couple days prior. And, you know, I. I got through all those and. And then the day of, I remember waking up super nervous that morning, and then we kind of went through the rotation of, like, how the day was, you know, unfolding, and we got to the awards and did the red carpet and stuff like that, and I wasn't really nervous.
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Bobby Bones
Were you nervous in dress rehearsal or, like.
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Tucker Wetmore
Like a little bit.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah.
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah. Which was like, the day before or two days before or something like that. And, yeah, I remember it was. It was time for my performance, and, you know, most. It was towards the end, so most of the. The night has passed by and most of the awards have been given out, and I remember it was time for me to get on the stage, and I went backstage and changed and walked up on stage. And, you know that. That screen that drops down and reveals the. You're sitting back there for, like, six minutes, and it's the longest six minutes of your life. Dude, I was. You know, leg was shaking. I'm like, all right, breathe through it. I got this. I've sang the song a million times. You know, I wrote. I wrote the thing, so I know it front to back most days. And. And then I remember probably like a minute and a half before the. The thing goes up. I just took a deep breath. I was like, you want you. Can I cuss on this? Yeah. I was like, you know what? This. I got this. I've sang this song a million times before. Just another performance. And so that's kind of the way I treated it, like, right before. But, dude, that. The two days beforehand, I was. I was pretty nervous a little bit.
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Bobby Bones
Were you able to calm yourself down to actually, like, see people in the crowd?
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah. Yeah. I. I don't know. It might have been a God thing, but I. It was like a minute. A minute and a half before that thing went up. I immediately snapped into this mindset of, like, okay, I'm exactly where my feet are right now. Like, I'm in this moment. I know I'm going To see some people that I look up to, you know, musically or personally or whatever in the crowd, because they're all right there, like Stapleton, Cody Johnson, Luke Combs was sitting right there. You know, all these people that I've, I've listened to for years. And you know, I remember looking at, you know, a couple people in the crowd and then that would kind of freak me out mid performance and so I'd like look up at the, at the ceiling a little bit and. But it was, it was fun, dude. It was, it was one of those like nerve wracking, but fun experiences.
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Bobby Bones
Did you watch it back?
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Tucker Wetmore
I did.
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Bobby Bones
Did you like what you saw?
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Tucker Wetmore
I was pretty happy with it, yeah. You know, and seemed like a lot of other people were pretty happy with it and I'd do it again 100%.
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Bobby Bones
Well, you're probably gonna do it again a lot.
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Tucker Wetmore
I hope so. Yeah, if they'll have me back.
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Bobby Bones
I just didn't know if you were so critical about yourself that they're probably. That there wasn't a way for you to enjoy watching it back.
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Tucker Wetmore
I critical to myself often, if I'm being honest, but then I think is like, it's already happened, I can't change it. Might as well just do better next time, you know, and if there's like a little note or a little misstep that I was, oh, maybe I should have gone to this side of stage and you know, it's very easy to, easy to get down that rabbit hole. But, you know, I kind of think of it as everything's a learning lesson and we're all just living life for the first time. So why? Well, I think about what you did yesterday when you got, you know, hopefully tomorrow.
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Bobby Bones
Were you able to enjoy that show since, or at least I would say pre your performance, or was it all like, oh boy, I got to perform. Really can't enjoy anything until I go on.
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Tucker Wetmore
A little bit. At first I was like, kind of antsy, kind of nervous, you know, my first time being nominated, my first big TV performance like that. And then, you know, I'd probably say like 30 minutes into the show, I'm like, no, this is cool. This is a blessing to be here. Um, I'm just going to enjoy, like, be where my feet are and enjoy everything that's going on on stage and around me. And, you know, I definitely found enjoyment in it, but obviously I'm human.
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Bobby Bones
Is that a sports thing though? You be where your feet are? Like, how did you react the same way before you played a game like, you would get nervous until right before. Or it would take the first couple of plays or. Yeah, like, it feels like that's very parallel.
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, no, 100%. And it's. It's a different stage, but it's. It's the same thing. You know, a lot of people are counting on you to do your job on the field or in the diamond or, you know, on the track or on the stage performing. It's. There's definitely a lot of nerves that go into what I do. And honestly, I was talking to Thomas, read about this, actually, a couple months ago when we were on tour, and I. I asked him that same question. I was like, do you ever get nervous still? Like, he's been doing it since, what, 2012, 2011. And without hesitation, he goes, oh, yeah, dude. Every single night I get so nervous, I'm like, how?
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Bobby Bones
Why?
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Tucker Wetmore
He goes, honestly, if you're not nervous, you don't care. And that's the way I look at it. And he's like, it's a blessing to feel nervous for something because that's. That's you doing something that you should be doing and that you care about. And I was like, damn, that's. That's true. Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
You only get nervous about things that you value. I spent four years on American Idol, like, working with a kid. They're not all kids, but a lot of them were kids and young adults, and they would get really nervous. Obviously, not only are they singing, but it's on television. You got a couple million people watching. They'd get extremely nervous. And the constant conversation I would have, either on camera or off, was, man, there are only so many times in your life that you get to be nervous about something positive. So when that happens, like, be grateful for those nerves. You're not gonna make them go away. Yeah, that's the thing about nerves. You really can't force them to go away. The more you force them, the worse they're going to get.
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Tucker Wetmore
The worse they get. Yep.
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Bobby Bones
So have an understanding that it's a real treat to be able to be nervous for something positive. Because in your life, there's gonna be a lot of times where you're nervous about things that ain't so good. Somebody sick, somebody money. There's a lot of anxiety and anxiety and nerves kind of in that same Venn diagram. I like what Thomas Red said, because, yeah, you get to be nervous about something that is positive. Like, that just means you care about it.
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Tucker Wetmore
It's the coolest thing in the world, you know? And I feel like if you kind of just swap your brain to think that way, it's just makes everything life easier. But like for normal performances, like concerts or something like that, I don't get as nervous anymore. Sometimes a little bit will hit me, but I get more excited. You know, I kind of treat it like a football game where I just kind of like hype myself up and you know, start doing jumble jacks backstage or whatever it is. And I kind of, I kind of fire myself up. Like I'm, I'm getting ready to go, you know, play a football game or whatever it is. And yeah, it's just, it's just life, you know.
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Bobby Bones
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- [27:57]
Arvind Krishna (IBM CEO)
My one advice to them, pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software, 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive. Yeah.
- [28:29]
Bobby Bones
Wow.
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So we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did. We are happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process. Because the biggest change is not technology, is getting people to accept that there's a different way to do things.
- [28:48]
Malcolm Gladwell
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- [29:06]
Bobby Bones
And we're back on the bobbycast. Early on, did you go too hard and, like, have to, like, catch your breath?
- [29:12]
Tucker Wetmore
Like, yeah, dude, I still do it sometimes. Like, I get. I hype myself up so much that song two comes around. I'm, like, huffing and puffing, and I've. I've definitely started to learn how to, like, you know, breathe on stage and, you know, find my breath when. When I don't have it. But that was definitely a huge problem just because I would want to come out firing off and, you know, like a ball energy.
- [29:39]
Bobby Bones
But, yeah, it's a marathon.
- [29:41]
Tucker Wetmore
It is. It is 100%.
- [29:43]
Bobby Bones
That's why you have the screens and the lasers. Do a lot of that big energy stuff come out and have. When you moved to Nashville, like, what'd you move down with?
- [29:51]
Tucker Wetmore
What do you mean?
- [29:51]
Bobby Bones
Like, I don't know. What was in the car? Like, did you have a trailer?
- [29:54]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
- [29:54]
Bobby Bones
Small car stuff?
- [29:55]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah. So it was. It was just my car. And then God bless my mom, because she helped pay for, like, one of those pod things that you. That you ship over. So we stacked that full of, like, my bed, couple couches. It wasn't big. It was literally. There's, like, not a square inch left. But we fit all of my stuff in this pod thing, and then we shipped it over and then packed my car with a couple things, and then we just hit the road.
- [30:21]
Bobby Bones
Had you been here before?
- [30:23]
Tucker Wetmore
Once before. It was the month before.
- [30:26]
Bobby Bones
So you weren't coming, like, for years?
- [30:27]
Tucker Wetmore
No.
- [30:28]
Bobby Bones
So you've been one time and you're like, screw it, I'm moving down.
- [30:31]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
- [30:31]
Bobby Bones
So what was the catalyst thing that made you move? Like, what was the thing?
- [30:34]
Tucker Wetmore
So that's what we visited after I had that talk with my mom, where I was like, I want to chase this music thing. She was like, all right, where do you want to go? I was like, well, I heard Austin's got some music, and obviously you got Music City down in Tennessee. And she was like, well, let's go. Let's go visit these things. So I went to Austin by myself. I knew a friend that I stayed with in Dallas, and we checked out. Austin wasn't a huge fan of it. It was kind of in the middle of COVID so it was, like, super dirty. And after all those riots and Stu, so wasn't a huge fan of it. Then a couple weeks later, me and my mom flew down to Nashville just to check it out to see if I wanted to move, try to find an apartment kind of thing. And for the first days, first two days we were here, I, I remember looking at her, I was like, mom, I don't know. I don't know about this. I, I, I didn't get that, like, immediate, oh, this is the spot. You know, this is where I need to be. And then because we're, we're downtown, we checked out Broadway, we checked out, like, midtown, and, you know, all that stuff. And it was, it was a lot. And, you know, I. Super small town. The biggest building we got is the Poker Pete's that sells pizza, and it's half pizza, half bar. You know, that's the tallest building in, in my town. And, you know, so I wasn't, I wasn't huge on the huge, like, the big city kind of lifestyle. And I was like, mom, let's go to the outskirts of Nashville. Let's go find something that feels like home. Let's see if there's a lake around here. Go grab a bite to eat on a lake. And so we found Old Hickory, and gosh, what's that place called? The Rudder. The Rudder on Old Hickory is on the north side. And we ended up driving out there, we had lunch there, and immediately. And no opportunities were, like, before moving in or before visiting Nashville. My mom was like, we're not just. We're not going to try to, you know, force anything, push anything. Like, if opportunities arise, then. Then we'll know that's that this is the right decision. I was like, I'm completely in that boat. And so we went to the Rudder. We sit down, start eating. Immediately the manager of the whole place comes up, just starts talking to Us. He goes, what are you guys doing? Where are you all from? Yada yada. And I'm like, oh, we're. We're just visiting, see if we want to move to Nashville from Washington. And he goes, oh, that's amazing. You do music. I was like, I'm. I'm trying. I got a handful of songs and a. And a dream, and. And then he was like, like, dude, I got the stage right here. If you ever want to play it on, like, the. The weekends during the summer, you can play it as outside stage. And. And then he was like, dude. Or honestly, if you need a job, you got a job here anytime. And this guy doesn't know me.
- [33:09]
Bobby Bones
You just met him?
- [33:10]
Tucker Wetmore
I just met him.
- [33:10]
Bobby Bones
He walked up to the table five.
- [33:11]
Tucker Wetmore
Minutes before this, and he was like, if you need a job, you got a job on the spot. Just let me know when you're in town. I was like, mom, I think. I think I got this feeling now. I got this feeling where, like, if. If something doesn't work out, something else is going to work out. And it's just like, all right. And so that was kind of like, that's where it swapped. And then I got a. I didn't ever take up. Take him up on the opportunity when I moved to town, but it was. It was one of those things that I could feel into my soul that it was the right decision from that day forward.
- [33:44]
Bobby Bones
Does that guy know at all that his brief interaction with you change the course of your life?
- [33:50]
Tucker Wetmore
Probably not. I mean, maybe if he watches this now, but. No, I don't think so. I haven't seen him since.
- [33:56]
Bobby Bones
What if he's really not a real person and it was an angel? You ever think about that?
- [34:00]
Tucker Wetmore
I think about that very often.
- [34:02]
Bobby Bones
Like, maybe you go back and you're like, hey, is, oh, Shawn here at Rudders? And like, Sean, he died in 1950.
- [34:07]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He was the founder of this place. Mr.
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- [34:12]
Bobby Bones
You mean he hasn't been around these parts in 40 years? And you're like, no, no, no. He wore, like, a bow tie, dark hair, and they show you a picture, and you're like, oh, my God, dude. I think about an angel.
- [34:23]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah. Having, like, weird encounters with people and just thinking like, oh, maybe that was God trying to tell me something or sending someone to tell me. I think about it almost every day.
- [34:33]
Bobby Bones
That's a great story. You move down. How long until you get any sort of money coming in at all because of music?
- [34:43]
Tucker Wetmore
Last year.
- [34:45]
Bobby Bones
So how long were you here before.
- [34:47]
Tucker Wetmore
Two Years ago, I signed up. I signed a publishing deal in 2022.
- [34:53]
Bobby Bones
So did you move in 20?
- [34:54]
Tucker Wetmore
I moved from 20.
- [34:55]
Bobby Bones
So what'd you do for two years? How'd you pay rent?
- [34:57]
Tucker Wetmore
I doordashed.
- [34:58]
Bobby Bones
Really?
- [34:59]
Tucker Wetmore
Back when fgo, that bar downtown was fgl, I worked there for probably a week and a half serving food, and I hated it, so I quit. Then I would doordash, and I was living on the skin of my teeth for a while there. Like, peanut butter spoon for. For dinner kind of thing. And I'd buy these. These packs of, like, hamburger patties, and I'll just cook them up and throw an egg on it, and that would kind of like, be my dinner. But, yeah, I mean, my. My mom helped me a lot. My mom and her boyfriend, they. They definitely help pay some bills a lot of the time.
- [35:38]
Bobby Bones
And is there an appreciation now extra because of the struggle before?
- [35:42]
Tucker Wetmore
Oh, 100. You know, it's just. I feel like growing up with a silver spoon is. Is a blessing in its own way, but I feel like growing up with the wooden one teaches you a lot more about how life actually is and how it can be, you know, if you don't try to work for something. And, you know, I feel like it's. It's very important to know what bottom feels like, especially when you get to the top. Putting. Being a good role model for the people that want to do something, anything in life, you know?
- [36:24]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. You earned perspective.
- [36:26]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
- [36:27]
Bobby Bones
And I feel like, yeah, no perspective is ever wanted because perspective is hard. You never want to have to go through something that gives you perspective, because that's uncomfortable. But I'm very grateful at the perspective that I have never liked it while it was happening, but I have such an understanding now of other people and what they're going through because I've also gone through it, which allows me to go, oh, hey, let me help you here, or let me give you some advice to help you here, or you're going to figure this out yourself. But it's a weapon. Like, getting through stuff is a literal weapon. You don't want to have to acquire the weapon. You don't like it while it's happening, but once you have it, it's awesome.
- [37:00]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, I mean, it's the tale as old as time pressure makes diamonds. You know, that's very cliche, but it's a true thing.
- [37:08]
Bobby Bones
I'm gonna ask you this question. I want 100% honesty. This is based off something you just said. 100% honesty. Raise your right hand. I. Tucker promised to be honest, I.
- [37:18]
Tucker Wetmore
Tucker Wetmore, promise to be honest.
- [37:19]
Bobby Bones
Did you ever steal a fry or any food when you were delivering doordash?
- [37:24]
Tucker Wetmore
No. Never a single time? Nope.
- [37:27]
Bobby Bones
You are the most honorable doordash guy in the history of doordash.
- [37:31]
Tucker Wetmore
I promise you. Not a single thing. Not even thought about it.
- [37:34]
Bobby Bones
One accidentally dumped out, so he left it out and then ate it.
- [37:38]
Tucker Wetmore
Not a single time.
- [37:39]
Bobby Bones
Honorable Tucker Wetmore.
- [37:41]
Tucker Wetmore
I try. I try.
- [37:42]
Bobby Bones
Wow.
- [37:42]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah. That's crazy to think about, though.
- [37:45]
Bobby Bones
I feel like I gently shake the bag and let some fall. I used to wait tables. I waited tables a lot. And so, yeah, that would happen.
- [37:54]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, that's so funny.
- [37:56]
Bobby Bones
Or for me, it was after they were done as well. If the roles hadn't been touched or if something hadn't been touched, I would save it. Need it.
- [38:05]
Tucker Wetmore
Gotta do what you gotta do, I guess. That's right.
- [38:07]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, Like, I'm proud of you. Like, it didn't eat a single fry.
- [38:10]
Tucker Wetmore
Not a single fry.
- [38:11]
Bobby Bones
And you raised your right hand so you can't lie about that.
- [38:13]
Tucker Wetmore
That's right.
- [38:14]
Bobby Bones
How'd you get your publishing deal? What was it that got you the deal? Was it a single song or was it a body of work with a few songs?
- [38:19]
Tucker Wetmore
No, I guess. Okay, so I was writing a bunch. So when I moved to town in 2020, I didn't know anybody. I didn't know not a single person. I didn't know anything about anything about the music industry or, you know, at all. And so I was. I would sit there in my apartment and kind of put like covers out on Tick Tock and Instagram. And, you know, I wasn't doing like that influencer thing, but I was just posting my songs online. And then this. This girl named Rakai Marshall, she's got a publishing company named Backblocks and she saw some stuff online. And then she was like, hey, let's take a meeting. You know, I saw. I saw a couple songs that you've written and I kind of see something. So let's take a meeting. And then took a meeting. And then. And probably eight months later, I ended up signing a publishing deal. And then I had another offer from 12:6 and I ended up going with Back Blocks. And then I was writing a little bit and then we brought some. My manager, now Autumn Legend to the team. And then I feel like once she joined the team, I was starting to write every single day. And it kind of started moving a lot then. And then I teased some stuff. We got to the point where it's like, all right, let's start teasing some stuff as, you know, try to build the artist thing. And that's when I teased one whiskey and then wind up missing happened right after that. And it was kind of to the moon from there.
- [39:56]
Bobby Bones
Was co writing weird for you at first?
- [39:58]
Tucker Wetmore
Very, very. Especially when you first start because it's kind of like speed dating. You're walking into a room with these people that. That, you know, some of them have 25 number ones. Some of them have, you know, they just got their first one. So they're on the high off of that. And you know, it's just. And then you're just. I'm just me. I ain't got nothing. Nobody knows who I am. I just like to write songs and that's all I know. Well, and. And it's. You don't. You're meeting new people every single day. Sometimes you get paired up with whatever and. But I wasn't really accustomed to that because I was just writing by myself for so long, you know, years before that. And it took me a little bit of time to kind of really open up and share my thoughts with other people. Yeah.
- [40:41]
Bobby Bones
The vulnerability part is really strange.
- [40:43]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
- [40:43]
Bobby Bones
Because it's not like a licensed therapist.
- [40:45]
Tucker Wetmore
No.
- [40:46]
Bobby Bones
It's a freaking dude.
- [40:47]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
- [40:47]
Bobby Bones
And you're like, you mean to pour.
- [40:48]
Tucker Wetmore
My heart out and give you all this Arkansas. Yeah.
- [40:52]
Bobby Bones
Like you moved here like two years before me. You got. Yeah, it's weird. That's weird.
- [40:55]
Tucker Wetmore
It was very weird. But, you know, I knew how. I know how important it is, you know, to be part of the. The songwriting community. And so I kind of. I knew if I didn't learn quick how to do it, then the opportunity would pass me up. So I just kind of, you know, sometimes two songs a day and just like grinding for years.
- [41:17]
Bobby Bones
The bobbycast. We'll be right back.
- [41:21]
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- [42:31]
Rob Gronkowski (Dudes on Dudes with Gronk)
Is Rob Gronkowski from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and jules. For the second season in a row, I partnered with T Mobile's Friday night 5G lights, powering up hometown football across America. This year, T mobile invested over $4 million in prizes to help schools take their Friday nights to the next level. The votes are in and now it's time to crown our $1 million grand prize winner.
- [42:57]
Tucker Wetmore
Winner.
- [42:58]
Rob Gronkowski (Dudes on Dudes with Gronk)
Congratulations to Derrick's High school and Derrick's Arkansas, home of the Outlaws and your 2025 T mobile Friday night 5G lights champion. The Outlaws and their community rallied to help them score a game changing home field upgrade, a Gronk Fitness weight room makeover, an epic 2026 tailgate party, and a VIP trip to the SEC Championship game. To every school that competed, posted and rallied your communities. Thank you and to T Mobile for making it all possible. This season may be over, but the story isn't. Stay tuned for season three in 2026. Congratulations again to Derek's High School Outlaws.
- [43:42]
Jacob Goldstein (What's Your Problem? Podcast)
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- [44:16]
Malcolm Gladwell
Hello, I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast smart talks with IBM. I recently sat down with IBM's chairman CEO Arvind Krishna, and I asked him, how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to create smarter business?
- [44:32]
Arvind Krishna (IBM CEO)
My one advice to them Pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive.
- [45:03]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
- [45:04]
Arvind Krishna (IBM CEO)
So we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did. We are happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process. Because the biggest change is not technology. It's getting people to accept that there's a different way to do things.
- [45:22]
Malcolm Gladwell
To listen to the full conversation, visit IBM.com smarttalks.
- [45:33]
Bobby Bones
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- [47:07]
Tucker Wetmore
I'm trying to think. I feel like I. I'm really hard to satisfy myself, you know, or it's really hard to like satis me for, you know, to satisfy me. And you know, I'm always just trying to write better and, you know, write a better song. But there was a moment in 24. 23. No, it was 23 where I wrote wanted a Whiskey and then wound up missing you in the same week and feeling it. Yeah. And it was like the, the week after my birthday and I just turned 24 or something like that. And on that Monday I wrote Wine to Whiskey. And then me and my buddies are like, hey, this is. This is kind of fire. This is. This feels good. And then that Thursday or Friday, I walked into a room and I wrote wind up missing you. And I think after that week, especially when I started teasing both of them, I was like, okay, I see some growth. I see some, like, some vision on sound or, you know, style or whatever it is that I was. That was spending years on chasing. And yeah, I'd say that week was very pivotal for my mindset.
- [48:19]
Bobby Bones
When you wrote proven me right, how'd you feel about that? Did you think it'd be something? Or do you write so much at times you don't know, and later on you discovered it'd be something or did somebody else tell you it was gonna be something?
- [48:32]
Tucker Wetmore
I mean, I feel like the conversation of if it's something is still pretty early, you know, because it came out Friday, so just a couple days ago. But.
- [48:43]
Bobby Bones
But it has to be something. Of all the stuff that you're writing that you've identified that as the something of what you have coming out.
- [48:49]
Tucker Wetmore
Like, that's a.
- [48:50]
Bobby Bones
That's a single. Yeah. So it's got to be something to you.
- [48:53]
Tucker Wetmore
No. 100%, no. It definitely felt. To answer your question, it definitely felt really good in the room. And, you know, I had a vision for how I wanted the song to go and what I wanted to say within the song. And I remember Jesse Joe, I voice memo'd her right before I walked on stage. I think it was in, like, Washington or I was somewhere. I was about to walk on stage and I was doing my vocal warm ups, and then I started, like, humming this. This tune and then started singing the. The chorus of Prove me right. And I was like, I don't know what this is, but I'm about to hop on stage. I didn't want to. Want to forget it. And then I just immediately sent it to her. And then I want to say a couple months later, we ended up writing the song. Me, her, Chris Tompkins, and, you know, a couple other people. And Luke Laird's forgetting. Luke Laird, Yes.
- [49:51]
Bobby Bones
He's only got like, yeah, 35, 40 number.
- [49:55]
Tucker Wetmore
I'm sorry, Luke.
- [49:56]
Bobby Bones
I got you. No, I got you. Anybody else, I wouldn't have said anything, but Luke's awesome.
- [49:59]
Tucker Wetmore
I love Luke. Great dude. And that was my first time working with him too. So it was. It was cool to get that. That, you know that song out of that.
- [50:06]
Bobby Bones
That guy has such a history of writing for, well, all the number ones, but also, like doing hip hop stuff. Like he's.
- [50:13]
Tucker Wetmore
Dude, it was. It was like watching a machine, watching him do. Do his thing. Cuz he was tracking the whole, the whole thing. And then he would turn around and say like a, a badass line. And we're like, yeah, that's, that's right. And so he'd write it down and he's. Yeah, he's definitely a machine. He's, he's one of my favorite. He's. He's becoming one of my favorite people that I've, you know, that I work with. And he's awesome.
- [50:34]
Bobby Bones
What's the biggest fish you ever caught?
- [50:37]
Tucker Wetmore
It's a good question.
- [50:41]
Bobby Bones
I don't think deep sea counts. For the record, growing up with lakes, okay. When people are like, well, I got, I got a albacore, French marlin. I'm like, dude, that ain't the same. Like we're striper fishing. We're, we're hybrid fishing. I mean, almost. Catfish don't count because they're bottom dwellers. And you, you can really sit there and trot line. You can do. You can cheat to catch big catfish.
- [51:01]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, I agree. Biggest ever caught. I think it was like a 6 or 7 foot sturgeon off the Columbia River.
- [51:09]
Jacob Goldstein (What's Your Problem? Podcast)
Wow.
- [51:09]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah. I mean, you mean to catch that?
- [51:11]
Bobby Bones
Because most of the time if we catch like gar. You don't mean to catch them?
- [51:14]
Tucker Wetmore
Oh, yeah, no, Me and my buddies would go sturgeon fishing.
- [51:17]
Bobby Bones
So would you eat the sturgeon?
- [51:19]
Tucker Wetmore
There's a very small window where you can keep them and it has to be between whatever size. I can't tell you off, too big. I don't think it was in the window of being able to keep them. It's like one day out of the year. One or two days out of the year.
- [51:33]
Bobby Bones
If that feels like bad eating, eaten.
- [51:36]
Tucker Wetmore
No, it's. It's some of the best meat in the world. It's. It's amazing. It's a white meat. Tastes great. I'm serious. It's, it's great. You should try if, if you ever go to a place and there's like.
- [51:45]
Bobby Bones
People when they say man eat perch, I'm like, perch terrible. There ain't no meat there.
- [51:48]
Tucker Wetmore
See, I wouldn't, I mean if I'm hungry enough I would, but I wouldn't go out seeking perch meat, you know. But surgeon fishing is fun. I saw my buddy one time. So what we would do, we'd go down to.
- [52:00]
Bobby Bones
What do you think that weighs? Did you put on scale?
- [52:04]
Tucker Wetmore
No, we didn't guess. £35.
- [52:11]
Bobby Bones
What, what test lines you have on your, on your rod and reel, do you know?
- [52:16]
Tucker Wetmore
15, 20.
- [52:18]
Bobby Bones
Oh, so you had to be a Bit delicate with it then.
- [52:19]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, I remember. I remember a test line wasn't. Wasn't too strong.
- [52:25]
Bobby Bones
It screaming, oh, yeah, dude.
- [52:27]
Tucker Wetmore
You sit there and fight those fisher hours.
- [52:29]
Bobby Bones
Sometimes you have to wear anything bigger out that's way. Obviously you know this, but anybody watching or listening? Like, we used to striper fish a lot. Yeah. And stripers were big. I watched my mom catch a 40 pounder once. Yeah, I have caught. My stepdad was a striper guide for a while. So we'd go out and catch shad and then we'd just fish for striper and striper were the biggest. But hybrids, the striper white bass mix, they were the best fighters.
- [52:56]
Tucker Wetmore
Okay.
- [52:57]
Bobby Bones
And if we'd have. We'd have, you know, 25 pound tests or something on. And you have some of the fights harder than that. You got to wear it down. You can't just reel it in. You can't just pop your line.
- [53:07]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, that's fun.
- [53:08]
Bobby Bones
When you got the sturgeon in, were you like, oh, my God, this thing's way bigger than we thought?
- [53:12]
Tucker Wetmore
Yep. I mean, that's so what me and my buddies would do. We'd go down to the bank of the Columbia River. It was called the Clamor marina. And we'd go down there, cooler lawn chairs, sometimes a fire out there on the beach, and we'd cast out, let it sit, put. Put it in a. Put it in a rod holder and put a bell on it and just sit there and drink and then ding, ding, ding.
- [53:38]
Bobby Bones
So would it sit on the bottom or you having a bobber?
- [53:40]
Tucker Wetmore
No, it'd sit on the bottom. Yep. And then. Yeah. Would you sit there and wait and drink and if we don't catch anything? We caught a buzz.
- [53:49]
Bobby Bones
You still drink?
- [53:50]
Tucker Wetmore
Exactly. Yeah.
- [53:52]
Bobby Bones
What was athletic performance in high school or college? Like, single game?
- [54:00]
Tucker Wetmore
That's a good question. Football, I'd say. I mean, there's a couple games my senior year where I'd score like four touchdowns in the first half and then that have to pull me out. Yeah. I feel like I would have brought broken a couple more records if. If I was able to stay in the game longer. I'd say my favorite performance probably state championship game my senior year. I ended up scoring two or three touchdowns with a pick six.
- [54:36]
Bobby Bones
And you're playing both ways.
- [54:38]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
- [54:39]
Bobby Bones
So offensively you played receiver and then defense.
- [54:43]
Tucker Wetmore
I was corner sometimes. Strong safety.
- [54:44]
Bobby Bones
Were they just getting you the ball? Was it. We got to just get Tucker the ball because he's the guy pretty much. So it didn't matter. You're running screens, you're slants, but you're also. Did you have. You have decent speed?
- [54:54]
Tucker Wetmore
I was all right. I ran like a 4, 4 7.
- [54:57]
Bobby Bones
No, that's not all right. That's flying. Yeah, that's flying.
- [55:00]
Tucker Wetmore
That's all right. And then defensively, that was in my prime, though. I can't do that no more, but.
- [55:04]
Bobby Bones
Well, you've had like 17 surgeries in the last week, it sounds like.
- [55:08]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
- [55:09]
Bobby Bones
So you play football. You played. You run track. You mentioned track. You're on track.
- [55:12]
Tucker Wetmore
Yep.
- [55:13]
Bobby Bones
You play baseball. Let me guess, you play shortstop and pitched.
- [55:16]
Tucker Wetmore
If I'm just guessing, center field.
- [55:18]
Bobby Bones
Field.
- [55:19]
Tucker Wetmore
Center field and pitched a little bit, too.
- [55:22]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. Yeah, sounds about right. Attracts. Yeah, that's where they put the athletes. Shortstop, center field, I guess. And then they always pitch. Did you play baseball in college? Did you want to.
- [55:32]
Tucker Wetmore
No, just football. Just football.
- [55:34]
Bobby Bones
What, you. What did you play in college?
- [55:36]
Tucker Wetmore
I was a receiver. I actually got drafted. Or not drafted. What?
- [55:41]
Bobby Bones
Recruited.
- [55:41]
Tucker Wetmore
Recruited to. To play strong, safe safety is the original thing. And I already signed my papers. Like, I'm going here to play strong safety for Montana Tech University. Was. Was the thing. And then I want to say, a couple months before I end up moving to Nash or Montana head coach, his name was Chuck Morell at the time, he calls me, he goes, hey, man, hope you're doing good.
- [56:05]
Bobby Bones
We've been.
- [56:06]
Tucker Wetmore
And it was like a super serious dude, like borderline scary series. And he goes, we were looking at your film a lot the past week and how would you feel about playing receiver for us? And I immediately sighed. Relief, you know, I wanted to play offense and I wanted to be a receiver. And I was like, thanks, coach. I would love to. He goes, you got it. See you in a few. I was like, all right. And so, you know, I ended up playing receiver for them.
- [56:33]
Bobby Bones
And when you got to start playing college ball, did you notice the speed was a lot faster? Yeah. Did you take to it pretty quick?
- [56:41]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, I'd say so.
- [56:43]
Bobby Bones
You didn't get there and get so intimidated?
- [56:45]
Tucker Wetmore
Not really. I mean, my high school, our high school team was very like, open offense, like very fast paced, no huddles a lot of the time, unless we're out by quite a bit. Then we'd huddle up and kind of kill time. But we'd come out the gate, no huddle, you know, fade post, screen, you know, ISO. Whatever it is, you know, it's just so. It's kind of not too crazy of a transition, but the. The things that go in it, surrounding the year, you know, is a lot more, you know, your 4am workouts in the winter, 6pm film for four days a week, you know, it's like there's a lot that go. It's a full time job. So that I think that was like the biggest first thing that I had accustomed to do.
- [57:34]
Bobby Bones
That parallel with music, what are people not seeing that actually is extremely valuable in what you do.
- [57:44]
Tucker Wetmore
A lot? I'd say health is one thing, you know, just keeping up on my health, making sure I'm. I'm stage ready, you know, eating good.
- [57:58]
Bobby Bones
You can't get sick.
- [57:59]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, can't get sick.
- [58:00]
Bobby Bones
That's your money. That's your band's money.
- [58:02]
Tucker Wetmore
Exactly. That's everybody, you know, just trying to, just trying to stay on top of my health and make sure I'm healthy. Especially in the thick of touring and you know, songwriting people don't really understand how much we really do. Right. And then like prep for a tour, you know, you got, you got rehearsals and you know, you'll have two weeks straight of just rehearsals before a tour. Just make sure everything's, you know, tight as a button. And we know what to do if this happens or this happens. And there's a lot that goes into it, you know, or like interviews and you know, sometimes I'll fly to New York or LA for a couple days and just do press for days straight and do you ever do the thing.
- [58:45]
Bobby Bones
In press where you do so many in a row you forget if you've already told that story in this interview?
- [58:50]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, that's happened to me in this, in this conversation probably twice now.
- [58:56]
Bobby Bones
What did you think you already told.
- [58:57]
Tucker Wetmore
Or didn't tell me the story about me moving here. I feel like I just, you know, told that so much that it's kind of just repetition now.
- [59:06]
Bobby Bones
You brought that up.
- [59:07]
Tucker Wetmore
I did, I did.
- [59:08]
Bobby Bones
To be fair, that's my fault. Yeah, that's on you. Because I didn't say. You said, you know, your mom brought you down. I followed you.
- [59:14]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, I know. Halfway through I was like, I've told this story so many times. He doesn't want to hear this, but it's just part of it.
- [59:22]
Bobby Bones
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Tucker Wetmore
Yeah. Wow.
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- [65:01]
Tucker Wetmore
I'm starting to now, now that I got some time off and I kind of. I can breathe for the first time in 10 months. But there is a huge portion of this year where it's like I wake up, I work out, play the show, write a song, whatever it is that I'M doing throughout the day, and it's just like all these crazy things would happen around me, and I'm just like, all right, what's next? What's next? What's next? And kind of just focusing on the task at hand instead of being able to, like, celebrate what I just did or what. What we just accomplished. But now that I got some time off and I'm really like. Like last night, I was. I was laying in bed just thinking about how crazy this year has been and how crazy my life is now compared to a year ago or two years ago, even. And, you know, it's just. It's wild being able to sit there and think about, damn, this is really, really cool. And that's everything. Everything I've ever to.
- [65:50]
Malcolm Gladwell
Wanted.
- [65:50]
Tucker Wetmore
Wanted.
- [65:50]
Bobby Bones
I got three questions left. Did you buy a house yet?
- [65:53]
Tucker Wetmore
I did.
- [65:54]
Bobby Bones
That's big.
- [65:55]
Tucker Wetmore
It's amazing. Amazing. I never. I never would have thought it would have happened this quick where I can, like, you know, buy. Buy my first piece of property and, you know, take care of my family the way I am and, you know, all the blessings that come with it that, you know, make my heart happy and full and just having my own place to call mine, you know.
- [66:17]
Bobby Bones
What did you learn? How expensive furniture is?
- [66:20]
Tucker Wetmore
It came furnished. Oh, came furnished. All right. Flex. Yeah.
- [66:24]
Bobby Bones
Fully furnished house.
- [66:25]
Tucker Wetmore
Very blessed.
- [66:26]
Bobby Bones
Wetmore only gets his houses furnished, folks.
- [66:29]
Tucker Wetmore
Not even. No, the. The guy, his name's Chuck. He. He.
- [66:32]
Bobby Bones
Classic Chuck. Hooking you up with the furniture. That's what Chuck does.
- [66:35]
Tucker Wetmore
He goes, I just. I'm trying to get rid of the property. You can keep all the furniture. I was like, all right, perfect.
- [66:39]
Bobby Bones
Well, yeah, well, you'll learn then.
- [66:41]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
- [66:41]
Bobby Bones
Furniture sucks to buy.
- [66:43]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
- [66:43]
Bobby Bones
Because you're having an adult a little bit now. You know, you're not having to go full adult mode yet. But your furniture sucks. Refrigerators suck. Car tires suck. There are purchases that just aren't fun to make because you feel like you're spending all this money on things you don't really use, except you use them all the time. They're just not dynamic to you.
- [66:58]
Tucker Wetmore
Just don't think about using it. Yeah.
- [67:00]
Bobby Bones
First time I bought a refrigerator, I was like, I'll just take one of those little ones.
- [67:02]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah.
- [67:03]
Bobby Bones
And then you realize you actually need a real life adult refrigerator.
- [67:07]
Tucker Wetmore
One of those, like, dorm rooms.
- [67:08]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, no, that's what I. I'm like, I'm fine. I lived in small places.
- [67:12]
Tucker Wetmore
Live.
- [67:13]
Bobby Bones
All right, two questions left. The brunette world tour. Do you get nervous about tickets and venue selling when it's your show a.
- [67:21]
Tucker Wetmore
Little bit, you know, especially like the, the moments before it goes live or the pre sale goes live. I definitely bother my, my team more than they would want me to. Like, hey, how's. How do we feel? How are we looking? Should we do this venue instead of this venue kind of thing? And I definitely did a lot of that, but then they're like, no, just trust the process. Trust us. And it went live. And what would you say? 85% of it sold out? Pretty much the first two days, sold out.
- [67:49]
Bobby Bones
Oh, man, that's so lucky.
- [67:50]
Tucker Wetmore
And now it's sitting at like 97% sold out.
- [67:53]
Bobby Bones
And by lucky, I mean fortunate for you. You've earned it. But God dang, you don't have to stress out about that.
- [67:58]
Tucker Wetmore
I know. Very, very blessed. It sold out to the point where we, we had one night in London. Now we had to move to three in the same venue. You. And the. The first two sold out. The second one's pretty much like some of the only tickets left. Oh, all three are sold out. Never mind.
- [68:14]
Bobby Bones
Dang flex, you got furniture and all sold out. This is just. You're comfortable now. Now you're just throwing it out there. This is how my life rocks, man.
- [68:21]
Tucker Wetmore
Oh, gosh, no, not even. But no, I'm just. It's very blessed. And I don't know. That's. That's the only way I can explain it. It's just, it's. It's not me. I'm just, you know, I'm. I'm not the hand, I'm just the vessel kind of thing. It's. It's amazing.
- [68:38]
Bobby Bones
All right, final question. What question do you get asked the most in interviews that you know is going to come up every single time? And you're like, I know it's going to come up, so let's just go ahead and do it.
- [68:50]
Tucker Wetmore
How'd you get here? You know, when did you move to Nashville kind of thing. And I kind of fell into that. But that's definitely one I get often, which isn't bad.
- [68:59]
Bobby Bones
But do you have a quick version of it that you tell if you're just not. Not feeling good?
- [69:03]
Tucker Wetmore
The one I told earlier? Yeah, Yeah. I try to keep it short. It's just. It's just a story I've had to tell for like three plus years now, ever since I started doing interviews like this. But it's not that I get irritated with it. It's just feels repetitive, like repetition.
- [69:20]
Bobby Bones
Have you told the pod part of it ever?
- [69:21]
Tucker Wetmore
What do you mean, no.
- [69:24]
Bobby Bones
See, you give me the nuggets that you're tired of giving, and I take and I extract new information from the old nuggets.
- [69:29]
Tucker Wetmore
That's right.
- [69:30]
Bobby Bones
I'm basically the recycle center. You bring me your old trap and I turn it into good stuff.
- [69:35]
Tucker Wetmore
I love it. That's amazing.
- [69:36]
Bobby Bones
All right. Good to see you, Tucker. Congratulations on the next number one, the last number. One. Three, two, one.
- [69:42]
Tucker Wetmore
Yes, sir.
- [69:42]
Bobby Bones
Great song. Why'd you pick that one? Because you're such a good writer.
- [69:46]
Tucker Wetmore
Thank you.
- [69:46]
Bobby Bones
And that was an outside cut. What about that song, though? Made you go dang, I've written a bunch of great songs, but I think I'm gonna cut that one.
- [69:54]
Tucker Wetmore
One. It felt the most radio esque at the time to me in. In a sense, and I wanted to follow up, wind up with something that kind of felt like it was in the same vein, just to kind of lay the foundation in a sense. But I don't know, it just felt right. It was just a feeling that I had, and then my team had the same feeling then.
- [70:21]
Bobby Bones
Let's wrap on this because you've set it up here. Brag about one more thing. But seriously, like, say something really cool happened.
- [70:27]
Tucker Wetmore
I don't like bragging.
- [70:28]
Bobby Bones
No, no. Because you got me a couple with a couple good ones.
- [70:30]
Tucker Wetmore
I like it.
- [70:30]
Bobby Bones
It's been good. Tell me something else that's just going awesome in your life right now.
- [70:38]
Tucker Wetmore
I just.
- [70:40]
Bobby Bones
Don't stumble. Let's go commit to it.
- [70:44]
Tucker Wetmore
I just got new septic at my house and they just. They just finished that off. That's big news this morning, actually. They just filled it in. Been, wow, grown up stuff, you know.
- [70:54]
Bobby Bones
You'Re not on, like, city septic personal.
- [70:58]
Tucker Wetmore
I don't like relying on other people.
- [70:59]
Bobby Bones
You know, but septic's not relying on other people. That's just living in a community. Like, I get my own water. I don't need pl. I don't need the plumbing.
- [71:08]
Tucker Wetmore
That's right.
- [71:09]
Bobby Bones
All right, you guys, you're listening or you're watching. The brunette world tour kicks off in February. But he doesn't need you. He's already got people going to his shows. He's already sold out 85%.
- [71:18]
Tucker Wetmore
Yeah, I need you all.
- [71:18]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, no, go watch Tucker. It's really cool to watch even how much better you've gotten live.
- [71:27]
Tucker Wetmore
Thank you.
- [71:28]
Bobby Bones
And that just comes with just reps, honestly. But even, like, the show you're playing here at the Ryman to. I mean, you played our show way back in the day just to kind of watch. The growth of you as a songwriter and an artist has been really cool to see, man.
- [71:39]
Tucker Wetmore
Thank you man.
- [71:39]
Bobby Bones
And also like, how many abs do you have? Like, if you were to count your abs, how many do you have?
- [71:44]
Tucker Wetmore
Not too much right now. I'm kind of slacking. It's off season right now.
- [71:48]
Bobby Bones
That's bull crap. All right, there he is, Tucker Wetmore. Thanks for listening to a Bobbycast production.
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