FEELING THINGS: How to Not Get Murdered, Walking in on Your Parents & The Chick-fil-a Protein Bar

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Bobby Bones Show – "FEELING THINGS: How to Not Get Murdered, Walking in on Your Parents & The Chick-fil-A Protein Bar"

Date: May 8, 2026
Hosts: Amy & Kat (with production from Premiere Networks)
Episode Theme: Navigating everyday anxieties, nostalgia, viral trends, safety advice (from unlikely sources), and candid personal stories, all wrapped in humor and honesty.

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Episode Overview

Amy and Kat run through a rollercoaster of relatable, quirky, and sometimes dark territory—sharing their curiosities, feelings of nostalgia, embarrassing childhood moments, viral TikTok trends (Chick-fil-A's "protein bar"), how not to get murdered (with tips from an actual serial killer), and the realities of family communication (or lack thereof). The duo maintains their trademark blend of vulnerability, laughter, and “let’s just feel things together”.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Feelings of the Day: Curiosity & Nostalgia

• Curious: Amy ponders whether she can recreate her beloved lip gloss at “Lip Lab” and asks Kat about her experience with making custom lipstick.
  • Amy: “I want this lip gloss turned into this lipstick. Boom, done.” (09:21)
  • Kat: Explains the experience, cost, and fun at Lip Lab. Recommends going on weekdays to avoid crowds and nab deals. (06:58)
• Nostalgic: Kat feels nostalgic after seeing “Devil Wears Prada 2”, and shares movie price shock (“A full price matinee ticket is like $18 now” – 10:15) and how she only went thanks to a friend’s discount.

2. Vindication & Viral Diet Hype

• Kat discusses feeling vindicated after not falling for viral AI-generated Oprah/Martha Stewart/Dr. Oz “Jello Diet” ads, and discovers (via Real Housewives) that even Kathy Hilton fell for it.
  • Kat: “And then I found out it was AI. So I feel vindicated because I'm not the only one that's getting got by that.” (12:13)
• Amy and Kat dissect nostalgic “weird” family Jello recipes, like the pretzel-Jello-cool-whip combo and Jello with cabbage. (13:07)

3. Chick-fil-A "Protein Bar" Trend

• Amy brings up the TikTok/Instagram trend: people ordering just a Chick-fil-A fried chicken breast and calling it a “protein bar.” Initial confusion leads to discussion on protein content, convenience, value, and the absurdity of food hacks.
  • Amy: “At first I was like, wait a second. What? Chick-fil-A came out with a protein bar?” (14:42)
  • Kat: “You can't just, like, carry around Chick-fil-A chicken breasts in your purse.” (16:21)
• Sidebar on fast food freshness: The busier the location, the fresher the food (unique Waldo’s Chicken anecdote). (18:21)

4. Quality Control & Secret Shoppers

• Amy recounts stories from her childhood about Taco Bell secret shoppers—family friends who’d report on customer service and food quality, and how her ex-father-in-law would monitor sauce packet waste.
  • Amy: “My friend's mom growing up...she was one of those secret eaters or secret shoppers. She would get paid...and report on her experience.” (19:13)
• Kat jokes: secret shopper is “a good part time job...even if you get the food for free.”

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5. Book Talk & Listener Emails

• Debate: Should you finish a book (“The Names”) if you don’t like it?
  • Listener Jasmine: “Life is too short to read a book you're not interested in.” (25:34)
  • Listener Robin: “I pushed through, and I'm glad I did. I enjoyed the different perspectives and how we each make choices that can impact the trajectory of our lives.” (26:05)
• Kat and Amy connect this to the “Housemaid” thriller series and discuss how close-to-home dark fiction can be.

6. Naming Traditions and Gender

• The hosts banter about naming kids after oneself ("the third", "Jr.", etc.), gendered double standards, “Gilmore Girls” trivia (Rory & Lorelai), and the stereotype of “upper class the third” being particularly bizarre.
  • Amy: “If you’re upper, upper class ‘the third,’ you are probably a mess and really bizarre and weird.” (31:16)
  • Kat: “What’s the nickname for the second? There’s Junior—is the third, is that Trip, or did I make that up?" (31:23)

7. Main Segment: How Not to Get Murdered—Advice from a Serial Killer

(from [33:57] onward)

• Amy shares an article about Danny Rolling (“Gainesville Ripper,” active in 1990), who gave advice (while on death row) about avoiding attacks. The tips are both earnest and, at times, dated or quirky.
  • Park in lighted areas. (35:02)
  • If pulled over at night, only stop in safe, public places. (35:06)
  • Concealed-carry laws: Amy shares her brief experience with a concealed-carry license—“I carried to pick up pizza once.” (36:01)
  • Mace on a keychain and personal alarms (“birdie”): The pros and cons are debated.
  • Kat: “If I pulled that birdie thing out, I think that the killer would get annoyed and retaliate versus if I mace them... they can’t really collect their bearings.” (36:55)

More Tips (Some Practical, Some Odd)

• Nail screens onto bedroom windows (“But they could still just cut into it.” – Kat, 38:52)
• Place empty bottles on windowsills for a DIY alarm.
• Install a deadbolt on your bedroom door (hosts debate effectiveness/implications for families with kids).
• Sleep with a gun under your pillow (Not recommended by hosts).
• If attacked, fight back. Kat and Amy discuss their personal hypothetical reactions—fight, flee, or... surrender.
  • Kat: “If I'm being chased in the woods, I see myself just being like, I can't do this anymore. Just do it.” (51:18)
  • Amy: “Once you're murdered, it's over. You don't feel it anymore. That's what I think.” (51:45)
  • Kat: “Why don’t people kick attackers in the balls more often?” (52:13)
• Use wasp spray as a defensive tool, but Shannon (pod producer) chimes in: “Wasp spray for self-defense is generally ineffective and not recommended by experts... using it as a weapon can be a federal crime.” (73:31)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On feeling seen (and scammed) by diet trends:
  “So I feel vindicated, because I'm not the only one that's getting got by that.” – Kat, on being duped by AI-generated celeb endorsements (12:13)

• On walking in on her parents:
  “I walk in and they are… No. My mom was on top, so I won't ever forget it… I'm never gonna be okay ever, ever, ever, ever.” – Amy, telling the iconic “walking in on her parents” story (45:09–46:11)

• On naming conventions & class stereotyping:
  “If you’re upper, upper class ‘the third,’ you are probably a mess and really bizarre and weird.” – Amy (31:16)

• On female serial killers:
  “Approximately 90 to over 93% of serial killers are men… Who are these 7%? Who are these women?” – Amy (78:40)
  “Others include historical poisoners like Belle Gunness, suspected of over 40 murders...” (80:16)

• On period education and generational neglect:
  “I had to figure it out. My friend Kinsey taught me how to do everything.” – Amy, on never talking to her mom about her period (58:22)
  “I mean, you would know this too, if she did it for you, but because you had that experience, then you're like, well I definitely want to be there for my daughter when…” – Amy, on breaking the cycle (61:15)

• On anxiety and childhood coping:
  “I used to sleep with my glasses on as a child because I was afraid if I did get kidnapped, I wouldn't be able to see.” – Kat (71:17)

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Timestamps: Important Segments

• [03:02] Opening: Feeling Annoyed/Curious (Amy, pets & lipstick plans)
• [06:35] Custom Lipstick Adventures & Lip Lab (cost, experience, pro tips)
• [09:34] Kat’s Feelings: Nostalgia & Vindication (Devil Wears Prada 2, Oprah Jello Diet AI scam)
• [14:24] The Chick-fil-A Protein Bar Trend (breakdown & opinions)
• [19:13] Quality Control & Secret Shoppers (Amy’s Taco Bell stories)
• [25:16] Book Club: Listener Advice on Quitting Books
• [31:23] The Third: Names and Social Stereotypes
• [33:57] How NOT to Get Murdered: Serial Killer Advice (Main Segment)
• [45:09] Amy’s “Walked in on My Parents” Childhood Memory
• [58:22] Periods & Generational Communication
• [78:40] Female Serial Killers: Discussion & Real Examples
• [82:16] Savannah Guthrie’s Missing Mom & Unsolved Cases
• [83:38] Listener Callout: Share Your Home Safety Tricks

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Tone & Style

• Candid, open-hearted, and conversational
• Mix of humor, honesty, and gentle dark humor
• Willingness to tackle awkward and difficult moments

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Final Remarks & Listener Takeaways

• The hosts ask for audience call-ins about home safety and relatable embarrassing stories, especially if you’ve walked in on your parents.
• They express a desire for practical “in-between” safety tips (not just alarms, not extreme measures).
• Closing message: “We hope wherever you are, you have the day you need to have.” (83:53)

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If you’re looking for an episode that spans the spectrum of relatable vulnerability, eclectic advice, hilarious (and mortifying) childhood flashbacks, and side-door commentary on everything viral, this one’s for you.

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Transcript

[Kat]

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[Amy]

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[Kat]

If you ever have feelings and you just want some, maybe a cat got you covered like a num brother. Ladies and fellas, we just follow in

[Amy]

the spirit where it tell us from

[Kat]

the real stuff to the chill stuff and the but sw, sometimes the best thing you can do is just out and feel things. This is Feeling Things with Amy and Cat.

[Amy]

Happy Tuesday. Welcome to Feeling Things. I'm Amy.

[Kat]

And I'm Kat.

[Amy]

And I'm feeling annoyed.

[Kat]

I wonder why.

[Amy]

I like for my pets to be in here. My cat will probably make an appearance at some point. I've got my dog in here. I think she's due for an allergy shot because she has been scratching her ears and shaking like her. Her ears are really floppy. And then she shakes her head back and forth. This isn't even my legit feeling of the day. This just happened. Cause we were trying to start recording and she had an itch and she was moving around and making all kinds of noise. So I do feel for her. It reminded me of my sleep, though. I woke up this morning to her doing that thing with her ears and flopping on back and forth and shaking her head. So I feel for her. It's just gotten a little bit annoying. But we can go to my legit feeling of the day, which was curious. I'm very curious about making my own

[Kat]

lipstick, which I have some thoughts on.

[Amy]

Okay. Well, I. I wish. So a little behind the scenes baseball. Kat and I have a Google Doc we share and we throw stuff in it, but we don't give details and all Cat will write her feeling. You put nostalgic.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

I have no idea why I want to hear just like the listeners are hearing for the first time. I put curious. I did put in parentheses lip Lab. And so you did know about that and you were like, oh, my gosh, I've been to Lip Lab. And I was like, save it for the show because I want to hear it. Then I feel like if somewhere online I saw a group of people making their own lipstick. So I googled it this morning as my curiosity was peaking. And that's when Lip Lab came up. And I thought, okay, that must be what it's called, where you go and you make your own lip color. I have this lip gloss that I really like call, and the color is heart and the brand is talk or something. It was gifted to me three years ago. Does makeup expire? I don't know.

[Kat]

I think it does, but I don't follow.

[Amy]

I still have.

[Kat]

I still use lip gloss. From, like, five years. Right.

[Amy]

Okay, good. So I'm using this, and it's about to run out. However, I don't love the feel of it. I love the color. I just don't like the texture. Yeah. What it turns into after it's been on a little bit. So I thought, what if I could create the color of this lip gloss into a lipstick? Because I went to their website. They don't have lipstick that will the talk. I went to look at the lip gloss site because I think. I thought to myself, what if they make this in a lipstick? They don't. All they have is the lip gloss, and I want the color in a lipstick.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

And so can I take the lip gloss with me and say, I want this color. Let's make it.

[Kat]

I don't know if you can do that. But what's interesting is the first time that I went to Lip Lab, I went and I wanted to make the same color that the girl that did my makeup for my engagement photos and the. The color that she used was going to use for my wedding, I wanted to make that same color. And so I went in with, like, an idea of. I didn't have that lipstick to show them, but I. You just keep trying different things, and you say, I want to add a little bit of this, or I want a little darker. I want to whatever until you get the color, the shade that you want,

[Amy]

and they give it to you in a tube of lipstick.

[Kat]

So there. And there's different kinds. Like, there's different. Like, what is it called? Like, finishes of lip. Like, you can have a matte lipstick or a sheer lipstick or a shimmer. Yeah, sure. And you can add more shimmer or less shimmer or whatever. And so it's really cool because it ends up being, like, the color you want. Yes. But then in the, like type, because you can make a lip balm. Very cool.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

So. So highly recommend. It is a little expensive.

[Amy]

Oh, gosh. Like, how much?

[Kat]

I think to make a lip stick is probably like 65, 60. But part of it. It's because you're getting the lipstick. Yes, but it's like an experience.

[Amy]

Did you go with friends or by yourself?

[Kat]

The first time I went with my mom, my sister. I. I don't know if we went just as a bonding or if it was somebody's birthday. And then I took my two nieces couple weeks ago for my one niece, Addie's birthday. I took both of them. And also, the time you go is very important because the lip Lab in Nashville Is in a very touristy spot. So you want to make sure you go at a time where there's not going to be a lot of.

[Amy]

Oh, that reminds me in the same vein of, you know, makeup and tourism, on 12 south, there's the Jones Road, which is the Bobby Brown. You know, Bobby Brown who had the makeup. Her more mature makeup now is Jones Road.

[Kat]

And what does mature makeup mean?

[Amy]

Older.

[Kat]

Oh, I didn't know that that was for older women.

[Amy]

Well, I don't know that it is. It may not be less. I've seen young people using it. But I've also in ads that have popped up on my feed, it's older women saying that this has been great for their mature skin. And Bobby Brown herself is older now and has more mature skin. And that's the category I fall in. So I thought, well, I want to go by there. Yeah. So I drive by, and it is a mad house in there. I. I just.

[Kat]

So you couldn't even go in?

[Amy]

I didn't even park because I thought that. No.

[Kat]

What day of the week?

[Amy]

Well, it was a Thursday, which I know Thursdays, 12 South, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Sunday is a no go. So I need to go on a Monday or Tuesday. But if anybody listening have used. If you have used Jones Road, I'm very curious about. They have these miracle bombs, like, for your cheeks that are supposed to be really awesome, but when I click to order online, I get overwhelmed by the colors. So that's why I want to go into the store so that I can see it on my skin and test it out. So you're telling me I need to also be intentional about when I go to lip lab, which I can go on a Monday and go on Tuesday earlier versus later.

[Kat]

Because when we were there, we got there when it opened with my nieces, and as we were leaving, like, birthday parties were coming in. Oh, okay.

[Amy]

So you see, I don't think I'm gonna do a whole experience thing. I'll probably just go. Well, I mean, I'm not gonna go with, like, a group.

[Kat]

I'll just go, oh, yeah, yeah, just go.

[Amy]

I. I'm on a mission. I want this lip gloss turned into this lipstick. Boom, done. I have one more thing that I'm curious about, but I want to get to your feeling, and then we can circle back to my other curiosity feeling or the thing that I'm curious about.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

Because I want to know what you're feeling nostalgic about. And then you also wrote vindicated.

[Kat]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm feeling Nostalgic because I went and saw Devil Wears Prada too.

[Amy]

Was it so good?

[Kat]

I don't want to say too much. It was, it was very good. I would watch it again and it was a well made movie. You look scared.

[Amy]

No, I was going to yawn.

[Kat]

Okay, okay.

[Amy]

I needed to yawn and I was trying to hold it in so my nose was flaring out. You know when you try to hold in the yawn but then your nose opens and it's like, it's real tough. So that's what was happening. I am very eager to see that. I don't know if I'll go in theaters or just wait till I can watch it at home. I'm excited for it though.

[Kat]

I went with a friend who gets like discounts on movie tickets. So I will say, probably wouldn't pay a full movie ticket again. But did you know a mat. We went at a matinee. A full price matinee ticket is like 18 now. Yeah, it was like 5:50.

[Amy]

Well, I know, but times, they are.

[Kat]

Times changing. Okay. And then I feel vindicated because I had sent you this video over the weekend which you accidentally ignored because you were working. Yes. So I don't take that personally.

[Amy]

Well, I told you that when I got it, I was getting on an elevator and then I couldn't open it up because I was on the elevator. And by the time I got off the elevator, it was over.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Too late.

[Kat]

It's not important. But so a, A long time ago, probably six months ago, I had sent you a text being like, oh my gosh, who do we talk to about this? There are videos of Oprah promoting this diet on our YouTube videos. And we might have even talked about it on here back in the day. And you went and looked at it and I think you were like, cat, that's not really Oprah.

[Amy]

Some AI Oprah. Like, we couldn't control that.

[Kat]

So that happened. Blah, blah. Well, this past weekend I was watching the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion. I've gotten back into that. And Kathy Hilton. Andy asked Kathy Hilton how her, like how she picked out her outfit. And she said, well, I had an issue. Nothing was fitting me because I went on the jello diet. And they were like, the Jello diet? What's the Jello diet? And she was like, well, everybody's promoting this. It's. It's Oprah, it's Martha Stewart, it's all the Dr. Oz. They're all promoting this jello diet that you put like vinegar and cornstarch or something in your Jello and then you eat it. And she was like, so I lost like two pounds and then I just blew up, like, I guess she couldn't fit in her clothes. And then she was like. And then I found out it was AI. So I feel vindicated because I'm not the only one that's getting got by that.

[Amy]

You and Kathy Hilton.

[Kat]

Me and Kathy Hilton. And I don't know much about her, but.

[Amy]

So she did the jello diet. I don't know what that.

[Kat]

I don't know.

[Amy]

I don't like the cabbage diet.

[Kat]

I think it's. You just.

[Amy]

You just whatever it is, that's all you eat.

[Kat]

Yes.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

Which, like, wouldn't be the diet I chose if I'm ever going to be choosing that. But I get why people get sucked into it. Because people like Oprah, who is now this, like, face of. She's always, like, been in the news and being a face of. Of weight loss, but now she's promoting GLP1s and all that, and she's doing all this content for. For that. So I can see why you would see that and be like, oh, Oprah's doing it. I'm gonna do it.

[Amy]

Right. You know, this is not related to diet at all. But it has to do with Jello, and I'm craving it big time. You do?

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

It's the jello. I don't even know. No, no, it's not salad. It's. I don't know that it hasn't. It's like trailer trash Jello or something. I gotta look at the name. That sounds really bad, but I feel like it was called something like that. But it's a crumbled up pretzels with sugar on the bottom. And then you put red Jello and then you put Cool Whip on top and then you sprinkle some more pretzels. It's like in a salty sweet. Have you ever had it?

[Kat]

No, but I don't like Jello. And like, the pretzel and the Jello, it doesn't get soggy and like.

[Amy]

No, there's still a crunch and it's so good. I mean, yes, some of it gets soggy, but there's still a crunch. And it's so good, all of those flavors together. I'm telling you, it's so good.

[Kat]

Did your grandma ever put, like, cabbage and Jello and she would serve that at holidays and stuff? No, but my grandma would do that. Yeah.

[Amy]

Cabbage.

[Kat]

It was like Jello with, like, green Jello with, like, cabbage and stuff in it. And they would just eat it, eat it, eat it. Like, it was so good. And I never was a fan of that. I don't know if that was, like, a West Virginia thing, but maybe, huh? Anyway, don't do the jello diet. And if you see these videos of Dr. Oz and Oprah and whoever promoting this, then report it as AI and move on.

[Amy]

And move on. Okay. So you feel vindicated by that. You're not the only one. Okay. My other thing that I'm curious about is if you have seen the reels or tiktoks that are going around right now of people eating the Chick Fil A protein bar.

[Kat]

I have. Those have not been in my algorithm.

[Amy]

And what it is, is they're literally going to Chick Fil A and ordering a chicken breast. Like the standard fried. It's not even the grilled one. It's like just fried chicken breast. So I guess the sandwich without the buns, but they're like, oh, I'm just sitting here eating my Chick Fil A protein bar. And at first I was like, wait a second. What? Chick Fil A came out with a protein bar? And then you zoom in, and it's just the me. And they say, I mean, think about it. You'll go to the grocery store and spend 3.99, 4.99 on some protein bar that has all these added things in it and protein sprinkled in, and they

[Kat]

don't taste that good sometimes.

[Amy]

Yeah. And then when you could go to Chick Fil A and get yourself chicken patty, a chicken breast patty thingy, and

[Kat]

do you get a discount having the.

[Amy]

That's what I'm saying. Like, if I'm not getting the bread and the pickle, can I get a deal?

[Kat]

You should get at least a dollar off.

[Amy]

I wonder if they have people that are coming through the line. They're like, I'd like a Chick Fil A protein bar, please. And they're like, one cutlet coming up. And then get.

[Kat]

You put on the menu.

[Amy]

Get yourself a Diet Coke. Call it a day. Yeah, but that's just a way to. To get down. I think that one girl, she posted the content. She was like, this is 250 grams.

[Kat]

No, that's way too much.

[Amy]

I'm sorry. 250 calories and maybe like 25 grams of protein or something. And you. That's exactly what you would probably get in a protein bar, but without all the other added stuff.

[Kat]

Well, here's the only caveat to that. I mean, I'd Much rather have Chick Fil a chicken than a protein bar. But protein bars are convenient. You can't just, like, carry around Chick Fil a chicken and breasts in your

[Amy]

purse

[Kat]

when you're traveling. Like, I always like to have a couple bars. You never know where you're going to be. And if you're gonna get hungry. I can't just, like, carry chicken in my purse. Yeah, I mean, I guess I could, but I'd have to have a cooler.

[Amy]

I guess also too. You could get. That's. That's a good point. But also you could get the nuggets. Are they just doing it because it looks like a bar and you're biting into it? Because if you get the nuggets, that'd be like, the same thing and less weird. But I will say the chicken breast. I mean, the nuggets have. It does there. It's a different. Especially biting into it if you're wanting to bite into it like a bar.

[Kat]

But part of what I love about Chick Fil A is the pickles. So I would actually want the pickles on my protein bar.

[Amy]

I do not need a pickle.

[Kat]

I do extra pickles on my chicken.

[Amy]

No. Nope.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

Not happening.

[Kat]

Well, thanks for that anyway.

[Amy]

That real. This is not AI you can.

[Kat]

People are really doing that.

[Amy]

You are really doing. This isn't a diet hack because it's the fried.

[Kat]

Yeah, it's fried. Is better than the grilled one. Sometimes they're grilled.

[Amy]

Something's off with the grilled.

[Kat]

Sometimes it gets to me. And then you have that feeling when, like, you know, that you're eating chicken. I get that feeling when I'm eating their grilled stuff.

[Amy]

I get the thought of, is this real meat? Oh, it is. But some things, like a rubbery, weird.

[Kat]

Yes, yes. You get that weird piece, and then it's over.

[Amy]

And it varies place to place. I wonder about factories and companies that make granola. For example. Like, one bag will taste different than another bag. And I wonder, did this one just get a little bit burnt? But how did this pass inspection? Because it doesn't taste like the last bag that I had.

[Kat]

What are people tasting every batch? I mean, they have to.

[Amy]

Good question.

[Kat]

They have to be.

[Amy]

Do they?

[Kat]

Well, Patrick and I were talking this weekend. This is riveting. But we were talking this weekend about how when we lived in Nashville, there was a Waldo's Chicken. Have you. You know what Waldo said? I've brought over.

[Amy]

I've never been, but I drive by it. Perfect.

[Kat]

Because when we live in Nashville, there was One right by us never went ever. And it was always empty. And Patrick went to a couple times and he was like. It was just like meh. Well, we moved to the burbs and there's a wall that was very close to our house. And so I've been there because it's the closest thing sometimes to get something quick. And I love it now it's all always packed. And Patrick was like, it is so much better than the one in Nashville.

[Amy]

Maybe they have different owners.

[Kat]

Well, it's the same. They're getting the same food. But he was saying like I wonder, I don't know why some people are going to one, some people aren't going to another. But like because one is more busy, their food's more fresh.

[Amy]

Oh yeah. Cuz they have to turn it over more. So the slow one, you're eating like old chicken. Good. I don't. Good question. I don't know.

[Kat]

So if you're going to Waltas, make sure you go to a bump in one.

[Amy]

Well, my friend's mom growing up, she was one of those secret eaters or secret shoppers. Oh, she would get paid like I guess different companies through where and this was the 90s so I'm sure they do it now. I just not quite sure how the secret shop. But she would get paid to go to certain places and report on her experience. I don't know. Good question because I would love that. So she would go to restaurants, other stores to see how the customer service was or how the food was tasting. My sister's family, her husband's family, they owned a bunch of Taco Bells and my mom actually worked for that company, like the corporate office too. We were all family friends growing up. But the owner, his dad, he would go to the Taco Bells and like if they would give him too many sauces, he would go at. But he was, he would go through the drive through.

[Kat]

Oh, so they didn't know it was him.

[Amy]

Right.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

And if he got too many packets of hot sauce, he would give it back and be like this is too many.

[Kat]

Gotcha.

[Amy]

And my ex father in law, he also worked for the company too. And he would, they would go through drive thru and they would pop in, just see. I mean by the time they got to the window, especially my ex father in law, a lot of the stores knew exactly who he was because he was more in the stores, a lot more. But if they rolled up to the window, they'd be like, hey, just so you know, this is too many of this or Give them back. I'm gonna give these back to you because all of that adds up.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

If you think of all, like if there's 75 Taco Bells and they're all giving out all these packets. Quality control.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And just making sure that everything's working. So how do we get this job? I don't know.

[Kat]

I want to research this because like, I think that also could be a good part time job.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

You're not doing that 40 hours a week. You can't be.

[Amy]

I mean, even if you get the food for free, I bet you did.

[Kat]

You have to. Yeah, but I would, I would want to be paid on top of the food.

[Amy]

Yeah, true.

[Kat]

Don't sell yourself short.

[Amy]

Before we get into how to not get murdered, it's advice from a serial killer. We do have some emails with two different perspectives on whether or not I should continue reading the book that I started called the Names. A complicated wellness routine is something that I just do not have the time for. That's where Suja Organic comes in and saves me every single time. I love their cold pressed juices and wellness shots. I genuinely feel like I did something nutritious for my body without making it a whole production. My go to juices are Ginger Love and uber greens. I also love the turmeric pineapple immunity shot. It is small but mighty. Sooja's powerful cold pressed fruit and vegetable juices and daily wellness shots prove you don't need a wellness retreat to feel like you took one. Just sip and let the superfoods do their thing. No gimmicks, no fads, just organic cold pressed wellness. That works because real wellness doesn't come in trends. It comes cold pressed, blended with benefits and ready when you are. Just keep em in your fridge and grab on the go. So sip it, enjoy it and let Suja do the heavy lifting.

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[Bowen Yang]

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everyone, it's Kal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project, Hail Mary Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.

[Ray Porter]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections and it's like, okay, yo yo yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that that deeply, emotionally affected me and I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too.

[Kal Penn]

Listen to Irsay the Audible and I Heart audiobook on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amy]

First email is from Jasmine. Hey Amy, I like the names. However, I'm a firm believer in not pushing through a book that I'm not connecting with. I've bailed on books that have incredible reviews because I'm just not into it. Life is too short and there are too many books out there that you can read and love. Hope this helps.

[Kat]

I like that perspective. Life is too short to read a book that you're not interested in.

[Amy]

So how are you doing on Theo of Golden?

[Kat]

I sat down the other day and read a chapter.

[Amy]

Oh, so you sound so into it, but what?

[Kat]

I also. I read more when I'm on vacations.

[Amy]

I know.

[Kat]

So I think I'm gonna probably still be reading it when I go when we go on our baby moon, so maybe I'll save it and savor it. But I started listening to yesteryear. That's easier for me to consume consistently.

[Amy]

Yes. You're gonna love it. This next email is from Robin in Missouri. Hey. I read the names last year, and I agree that it was a bit difficult to get into, but I pushed through, and I'm glad I did. I enjoyed the different perspectives and how we each make choices that can impact the trajectory of our lives. I would encourage you to keep going. Hope you're having the day you need to have. I know. I either need to, like, move on because there's so many amazing books out there, or keep going. Right now, I'm working through the Housemaid series, and then I'll circle back to the names. I think that I'll. I'm gonna give it another go. Maybe it just wasn't the right time.

[Kat]

Okay. One more shot, and then if you're still not enjoying it, then you'll move on.

[Amy]

Yeah. Which in the Housemaids stuff. I know. It's fiction, right? It's.

[Kat]

Is.

[Amy]

It.

[Kat]

Is. It could be loosely based on.

[Amy]

Is it loosely based on something?

[Kat]

Well, I mean, people get tortured and.

[Amy]

Right.

[Kat]

But that's what I think about.

[Amy]

I'm like, there's that many. You know, I look around when I'm with crowds of people, I look around and I'm like, who really are you? Who's. Who's the abuser in here?

[Kat]

Okay. That's dark.

[Amy]

I know. It's dark. Like, I'm not even. Like, that's. I know, but I, I.

[Kat]

Well, okay. Interesting.

[Amy]

If it's one in however many people, I mean, or who's who, what's the stat on that? We'll make it a little lighter. Not so. I mean, I guess. Yeah, it sounds really harsh.

[Kat]

Just so you know, if Amy's in a group of people, she's wondering which one of you is the abuser of the group.

[Amy]

Yeah. No, but that has me thinking that because the. Statistically speaking, it's somebody you know or work with, they're doing something Somebody's.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Shady. At home, like, they're either being extremely disrespectful. Are they like you. You may never imagine it, but at

[Kat]

home, maybe somebody's cheating on somebody.

[Amy]

Yeah. I don't know. That's not part of the book. This book, I mean, kind of. There's some stories, but not. Yeah, but. But abuse is the main thing.

[Kat]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Amy]

And murder.

[Kat]

Well. And do you know about the author? I do know the lore of the author.

[Amy]

I do not.

[Kat]

So Frida McFadden is the author. That's not her real name. She just actually came out with her real identity. Like, even, like, the picture of her on the book that's she has a wig on and glasses. She, like, has a disguise. So she actually is. I don't know exactly. She. She, I think is a psychiatric doctor, a psychiatrist of sorts.

[Amy]

Allegedly.

[Kat]

Allegedly. She works in medicine. Okay, so the reason I said, like, is this based on. She could be taking things that she's experienced in her work and. And creating characters out of different. Or ideas because she's written a bajillion thriller books and they all. All are kind of like, yeah, there's a little. There's a. A bad guy.

[Amy]

Yeah. A dark.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Twist.

[Kat]

So.

[Amy]

And I would call it a twist.

[Kat]

Now, again, I'm not saying that this exact story is true.

[Amy]

No. But I get it. You're. In any art, inspiration is coming from somewhere.

[Kat]

In any art.

[Amy]

In any art. So I shall keep going because, gosh, even the N in the names. The. The man. And this is in the very beginning of the book, like, I'm not ruining anything, but the husband she's married to is a total jerk. And because he wants a son named after him, like, he is abusive. It's like, what's up with.

[Kat]

What is up with men loving their kids being named after them? But I feel like women don't.

[Amy]

Yeah, we don't have that. That's not part of our legacy, I guess.

[Kat]

Well, I'm even struggling because the name that sounds the best with the name we chose, the middle name is Catherine. And I feel so weird about naming our child after us.

[Amy]

Okay, but middle name is different.

[Kat]

But. But then everybody's like, men name their kids after themselves. All the time.

[Amy]

All the time. The third. The third.

[Kat]

I feel like it's very normal.

[Amy]

This is a stereotype for sure. But, you know, when you meet the third, like, they.

[Kat]

Well, no. Is the senior the weird one? Or is it the third that you're

[Amy]

like, no, the third. Anybody? The third. Not. Okay, not Anybody? I don't know. I'm not gonna generalize here. I should say there are anomalies, I'm sure, where they're not like this. So if this is you, you're not one of them. Right. But I feel like, in my experience, and it's been rare, it's not like I've met a ton of the thirds, but it's like, even the most recent. The third was when I was with my boyfriend. We met this one guy, and we were talking to me, walked away, and I was like, huh, he's interesting. And he goes, well, you know, he's the third. And I was like, that tracks. He's the third.

[Kat]

I don't know that I've ever met

[Amy]

a third in a certain class of people. Yeah, if it don't, it could be the third. If you're, like, middle class the third, you're probably fine. You're probably the coolest person ever. I don't know. Like, they just like that name, right? If. Or middle class or lower. But if you're upper to upper to upper, Upper, upper. Upper class the Third, you are probably a mess and really bizarre and weird.

[Kat]

Oh, I. Okay, I get where you're going. What's the nickname for, you know, if you're the second? There's Junior is the third. Is that Trip, or did I make that up?

[Amy]

I think it could be. Tripp is like. Yeah, it's a normal name. It's the nickname.

[Kat]

Okay. Because that's a cool name.

[Amy]

Yeah, like, that's fine. You can be the third. But if you go by the third,

[Kat]

like, when people say your name and you're like, no, it's the third. Yeah, add it on.

[Amy]

Like, I'm William.

[Kat]

I am the third the third. William Theodore Van Hoosen.

[Amy]

Higher. The third. Yeah, see, that's what I'm talking about. Y'.

[Kat]

All right?

[Amy]

If you haven't met one yet, when you do, one day you'll get it, and you'll be like, oh, you must be upper class Third for class the Third. Okay, so let's see. Shannon's typing something about we learn. Wait, what? Can I not say this?

[Kat]

No, no, no, you can say this. Lorelei. Gil Shannon wrote this. Lorelei Gilmore named Rory after her. I didn't realize that. Why'd that never click? Her name is Lorelei, too. Okay, but she was 16, so it's like, wait, I'm 16? I might have been like, wait, fill me in.

[Amy]

Because I've only watched a little bit of Gilmore Girls here and there. I haven't watched it start to finish. I know, it's so good. I. I will one day.

[Kat]

No, you probably won't.

[Amy]

No, I really might.

[Kat]

Okay, so Lorelei gets pregnant when she's the mom. The mom gets pregnant when she's like, 16. Her daughter's name is Rory. I guess Rory is a nickname. Nickname for Lorelei.

[Amy]

How do you get Rory from Lorelei, Laurie? Lorelai?

[Kat]

I don't. There's a lot of nicknames I feel like aren't exactly like, you know.

[Amy]

Okay, so Shannon said in the pilot episode, Lorelei named her daughter after herself while whacked out on Demerol in the hospital just after giving birth, thinking about how men name their sons after themselves and why women couldn't do the same.

[Kat]

Wait, okay, so maybe I'll do it as like a. Another vindication, you know, like, yes, I'm gonna stand up for women's rights and name my child after me.

[Amy]

Yeah, but middle name.

[Kat]

Middle. Middle name. Yes.

[Amy]

Yeah, I think you're fine.

[Kat]

Okay, cool. That's a crazy story. I didn't know that. I guess I haven't watched the pilot in a hot minute.

[Amy]

Okay, and then Shannon, look this up. Rory is a nickname for Lorelei derived from the shortening of the name to Lori and transition. Transitioning the L to R. It's a lot of work. Or through a toddler aged Rory struggling to pronounce Lorelai. So, anyway, we got there. Okay. Now you want to know how not to get murdered from a serial killer.

[Kat]

I would love to know.

[Amy]

So I saw an eerie post, which obviously, that's kind of scary. Of learning these survival tips from a serial killer named Danny.

[Kat]

Wait, from a serial killer?

[Amy]

Yeah, he's responsible for killing five students in Gainesville, Florida over four days, August 1990. The post was a. The post was something about from an article from back in the day where he had said it. Okay, so, okay, he wasn't. He's not like, creepy. He's not an influencer. He was being interviewed, okay. And then this was put up.

[Kat]

Okay. Do you know anything about.

[Amy]

So some of these are going to seem a little dated because the interview is from back in the day.

[Kat]

Back in the day, in the 90s. Okay.

[Amy]

But you can apply it to your life now.

[Kat]

Take what fits.

[Amy]

Here's what he says. Always park your car in the light. Okay? Check.

[Kat]

What if there's.

[Amy]

Well, then don't park.

[Kat]

Okay, you read my mind.

[Amy]

If there's no light, well, keep driving. And that makes me think too, about getting pulled. Pulled over at night. It's been a minute. Like, I haven't been pulled over.

[Kat]

But it could be a fake car.

[Amy]

You have to wait until you can get to a gas station or something to pull over.

[Kat]

Like, if you're on the interstate, then at what point is he. Like, this is a chase.

[Amy]

Yeah. If it's late at night on the interstate, I'm going to be very hesitant to pull over.

[Kat]

Can I put my flashers on and be like, yes, I'm just.

[Amy]

I'm gonna pull over, but I'm going safely to an exit. And it obviously would have to be an unmarked car.

[Kat]

Oh, Shannon says you're supposed to call 9911 if there's an unmarked policeman following you. They'll confirm if it's real. That's a lot. That's a lot of work.

[Amy]

Oh, here's another tip. Buy yourself a.38 caliber revolver, get a permit to carry, and put it in your handbag. Did you know when I lived in North Carolina, I had my concealed carry license?

[Kat]

Did you carry?

[Amy]

I carried to pick up pizza once.

[Kat]

You just did it one time just to see what it felt like.

[Amy]

Yeah, I had a little fanny pack and everything.

[Kat]

That's cute.

[Amy]

And even though it was legal for me to have it, I still felt uncomfortable. And I was walking weird and I was like, I'm just probably not gonna do this. But I took the whole course and everything.

[Kat]

Well, good for you. I don't see myself ever feeling comfortable doing that.

[Amy]

Well, you probably would feel comfortable with this because the next tip is buy some mace on a keychain and have it ready when you get out of your car.

[Kat]

That I can get comfortable with.

[Amy]

Which I will say in Housemaids, the main character, she carries mace. Or there is mace involved at some point.

[Kat]

Oh, yep.

[Amy]

So. And when I was reading that part, I was like, yeah, I definitely need to get mace. I have one of those birdies. I have that too, where you can whistle. You yank it off, you pull it out, and then it makes an extremely loud noise. Not that loud to me, but mace would be way more effective. But you just have to make sure to not get it in your eyes or mouth.

[Kat]

Well, this is my thing with the mace versus the birdie or the whistle is like, if I pulled that birdie thing out, I think that the killer would get annoyed and retaliate versus if I mace them, they're like, ah. And they can't really collect their bearings.

[Amy]

Have we talked about this? I feel like maybe we have, but it's okay. It's worth mentioning here again of the. It was a video that a girl made where a her demonstrating how she is when she's hiking or walking on a trail and she passes a man and she's by herself and she acts like she's on her phone and she's like, I don't know. I just like, I, I, I have so much diarrhea and I don't know. Yeah, she's like hiking. Yeah. She'll say like things like in a much more vulgar, like, gross, disgusting. Like she'll make herself sound like as like, there's me zero desire. Unless that man is very into bodily functions. Like, that's like, oh my gosh, I am pooping everywhere. It's disgusting. Yeah, I'm disgusting. I need a bathroom.

[Kat]

It smells so bad.

[Amy]

Yeah. So as she's walking by, just, she just gets really loud and starts to describe her.

[Kat]

What if a guy's like, do you need some help?

[Amy]

Her bathroom issues. She doesn't care. She just, she doesn't want to talk to him just in case. Because again, statistically speaking, like, I know there's a lot of great men and women out there.

[Kat]

Yes.

[Amy]

I don't want to put this all just on men, but.

[Kat]

Well, most serial killers are men. I think it's like 95% of them.

[Amy]

Yeah. I'm not saying on the trail you might encounter a serial killer, but a predator of some sort. Yeah.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Let's see. If your bedroom window doesn't have a screen, get one and nail it to the windowsill so that way they can't remove the screen. I mean, I guess they could just cut into it.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Lame tip, Dennis.

[Kat]

He doesn't want to give too good of tips.

[Amy]

I'm just kidding. His name's Danny, not Dennis. Place a bunch of empty glass bottles in the windows.

[Kat]

Oh, so that makes noise.

[Amy]

And then they get spooked and they run off.

[Kat]

Okay, I like that.

[Amy]

Get you some curtains.

[Kat]

He says, what is that going to do?

[Amy]

If you don't have any curtains, then they can't look in and watch you or see like, where you are. The setup of your room.

[Kat]

People are really just like, they're all dog in it. I was about to say it too, and I was looking for another way to say that your bedroom. I can't imagine somebody and like the light in general.

[Amy]

Well, here's the next tip he says about your bedroom. And again, this, this is a tip from a serial killer. And could you imagine having this on your bedroom door? I do not know. But he is saying that you should get a deadbolt for your bedroom door. You know, okay, you might have it on the front door, the back door, the garage door or wherever. But he's saying to put a deadbolt on your bedroom door.

[Kat]

So then yeah, they can't come in.

[Amy]

I mean obviously if they figured out how to get through the deadbolt somewhere else when they figure out how to also get into your room. But.

[Kat]

But also that works if you live by yourself. But if you have kids, I definitely don't want my children.

[Amy]

All the more reason to deadball.

[Kat]

I'm more thinking like okay, when I was little every time it like rained I ran down to my mom's room and slept in my mom's bed. Like why she made me sleep on the floor. But I can't imagine running down to my being like a storm running downstairs, getting there and it being deadbolted. Like I want my kids to be able to get in also because I'm

[Amy]

thinking about how I wish my parents had deadbol in their room. I only have like a few memories of my dad living at home and one time I needed my parents and I go to their bedroom and I walk in and they are no. A complicated wellness routine is something that I just do not have the time for. That's where Suja Organic comes in and saves me every single time. I love their cold pressed juices and wellness shots. I genuinely feel like I did something nutritious for my body without making it a whole production. My go to juices are Ginger Love and Uber Greens. I also love the Turmeric pineapple immunity shot. It is small but mighty. Sooja's powerful cold pressed fruit and vegetable juices and daily wellness shots prove you don't need a wellness retreat to feel like you took one. Just sip and let the superfoods do their thing. No gimmicks, no fads, just organic cold pressed wellness. That works. Because real wellness doesn't come in trends. It comes cold pressed, blended with benefits and ready when you are. Just keep em in your fridge and grab on the go, sip it, enjoy it and let Suja do the heavy lifting.

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[Kal Penn]

Hey everyone, it's Cal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay, The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project, Hail Mary Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.

[Ray Porter]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections. And it's like, okay, yo yo yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that. That deeply, emotionally affected me. And I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too.

[Kal Penn]

Listen to Irsay the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Amy]

I needed my parents and I go to their bedroom and I walk in and they are.

[Kat]

No, no.

[Amy]

Yes. I mean, I really see my dad, but I saw my mom and I didn't know. And then. And it was a Sunday. Yes. And we had to go to church. And I remember I was acting.

[Kat]

So they didn't see you.

[Amy]

Weird. And let me tell you, if my dad was living at home, that means it was like Easter Sunday, because we didn't really go to church.

[Kat]

Wait. But I remember they didn't know you walked in. They didn't know you quietly snuck back out.

[Amy]

I let. I turned around and left. They didn't have the door. They had the door open.

[Kat]

Stop.

[Amy]

I'm like, where.

[Kat]

What?

[Amy]

What is happening? So I leave. I leave. Then the rest of the day, apparently I'm acting weird. And I remember later that day, it honestly really must have been Easter. Cause I feel like we had people over and we were sitting on the living room floor and we were in our dresses. I don't know. My mom was just. Is everything okay? Like even right now I have it clear as day. The image. I won't ever.

[Kat]

And they had mirrors.

[Amy]

No, they had not. Not. They didn't have the mirrors up for the activity. No, no, but like their think 80s, you know, they had their, like a closet mirror, their headboard. Oh, my dad probably made this. They were shelves. But behind the shelves it was a mirror wall and then shelves. And then they had like books and accent things on the.

[Kat]

So you saw every angle.

[Amy]

Well, I know that mostly what I saw and let you say. Well, I don't know. I mean, both my parents are dead. Whatever, who cares? It's not like either of them are gonna listen to this. But my mom was on top, so I won't ever forget it. And then my mom asks me, are you okay? And I just remember thinking, I'm never gonna be okay. I'm never gonna be okay ever, ever, ever, ever.

[Kat]

Are you okay now?

[Amy]

I haven't thought about it in a while, but anytime, like when you were thinking like I always wanted the freedom to like go into my parents room. I'm like, after that, I never went to my parents room. And then I mean, I don't know how much longer after that my parents even lived together. So I'm trying to guess what my age was. It had to be, like, I had to be anywhere from five or six to nine. Like, that was my age range because my dad moved out when I was 9, and I don't really feel like I remember anything before five.

[Kat]

What. What age do you learn what sex is like?

[Amy]

Do you know what they were doing?

[Kat]

I didn't know.

[Amy]

I did not know, and I did not want to know. But they were naked.

[Kat]

Well, I think it would be probably worse if you were, like, 16 and you, like, knew exactly what was going on.

[Amy]

Oh, I. No, I.

[Kat]

Wait, wait, wait. There's no covers on.

[Amy]

No. My mom has a birthmark on her, and I could see the birthmark, like, it was, like, on her left thigh. I know.

[Kat]

This is.

[Amy]

That's, like, right now.

[Kat]

Childhood story.

[Amy]

Well, yeah. That's why I'm like, I wish my parents had a deadbolt.

[Kat]

Yeah, I would, too. Or like, a doorbell you have to ring before you enter. Who. For the door to be open is my. Like, what.

[Amy]

Maybe it was going through there. We were going to be asleep. Like, what was going through their mind? I think they had all other things going through their minds. I don't know. But, yeah, it just.

[Kat]

Thanks for sharing that.

[Amy]

Anyways, the serial killer says, dead bolt your door. It also gives you more time. Like, if they have to figure that out and you have your phone, like, you have more time to call 911

[Kat]

or to jump out the window.

[Amy]

Yeah. And if you're on the second story, you need to buy one of those little fire.

[Kat]

I was gonna tell you. I looked them up.

[Amy]

Yeah. That you throw out the window.

[Kat]

There are, like. Because we were talking about, like, what would we do a couple months ago? What would we do if a fire. And you had to jump out your window.

[Amy]

Right.

[Kat]

There are, like, legitimate little ladders that will, like, latch onto your window and they'll go down a little bit. They're just kind of. I almost bought one, but it was, like, $90. But now that I'm thinking about it.

[Amy]

$90.

[Kat]

Thinking about it. I'm like, it's $90. That could literally save my life and give me peace of mind. So I think today I will buy one.

[Amy]

You're like, go to the lip lab. It's like, $60. It's $60 for a tube of lipstick, but $90 for a rope. That'll save your life.

[Kat]

But I probably won't need the rope. Knock on Wood. But the lipstick I use all the time.

[Amy]

Okay, I did see that. Shannon looked up right now, I don't know how long this is lasting, but she said lip Lab has 25% off right now. Use code spring weekday 25 when booking Monday through Friday. Reservation. Oh. Expires June 26th. Not a commercial. I do not know these little lab people. Obviously.

[Kat]

Could be a commercial, though.

[Amy]

Yeah. Shout out, huh?

[Kat]

Wait, so you should go during the week and get discount. And it won't be 65.

[Amy]

I can get 25% off.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Bam. I mean, I guess it is a lot. They're taking time. You have this appointment, and they're concocting this signature color just for you. So an hour?

[Kat]

Well, I was.

[Amy]

Could it be faster?

[Kat]

It could be faster, but I was with. The last time I went, I was with two little girls.

[Amy]

Right. So. Yeah, you had a. Years was an outing. Let's see. Where are we with not getting murdered or taken? Sleep with your.38 caliber revolver. Once you get it, not only do you carry it around, but put it under your pillow. It won't go off by accident. Yeah.

[Kat]

Yeah, hopefully not, Danny.

[Amy]

How do you know that? I mean, you have to have the safety on, obviously, but what if, like, you roll around a lot in the.

[Kat]

What if you sleepwalk? What if you do. You know, Patrick does weird things in his sleep. Yeah, I told you about that.

[Amy]

Like, he's like, oh, what's this?

[Kat]

Yeah, I'm not. We're not sleeping with a gun in our bed.

[Amy]

No. He says, if someone bothers you, don't ever let an attacker get control. Fight for your life.

[Kat]

What kind of tip is that?

[Amy]

I. Because I feel. Honestly, I've thought about this. Have you. Have you ever had the thought of, like, okay, fine, I'll just probably surrender. Because I would go surrender. Yeah. Because I don't want you to kill me. So, like, let's just.

[Kat]

No, I don't want to. I almost am. Like, if you're gonna kill me, just do it.

[Amy]

Oh, get it over with.

[Kat]

Yeah. Like, I don't see myself if I'm being chased in the woods. I see myself just being like, I can't do this anymore. Just do it. Okay, granted, I've never been.

[Amy]

That's your Hail Mary. Just do it.

[Kat]

Well, I think it's scarier for me getting chased than being murdered, I guess. I don't know. But I've never been in that situation, so I don't know.

[Amy]

Because once you're murdered, it's over.

[Kat]

It's over.

[Amy]

You don't feel it anymore. That's what I think. I think of, like, if someone were to come in and just shoot me in the head, like, how awful that would be. But it's like, I'm dead.

[Kat]

Yeah. You don't know.

[Amy]

I don't know.

[Kat]

But I think it also would be different. Like, you have kids to, like, fight for. Like, you know, if I had kids, then maybe I would fight a little bit.

[Amy]

Well, but if you have your mace, you get to spray the mace. We get to scream as loud as you can. Or I have diarrhea. Kick him in the ball.

[Kat]

Okay. Okay. That's what I would. That is one thing that I'm like, why don't people do that more often?

[Amy]

Because that immediately you're in shock. And then also getting a good.

[Kat]

But that will put somebody on their

[Amy]

knees for sure and poking him in the eyeballs.

[Kat]

So a little.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Where's that tip, Danny?

[Amy]

Yeah, Danny. If you put up a fight, though, Danny does say that the attacker might give up because they also don't maybe want to put in a lot of effort.

[Kat]

They want someone like me.

[Amy]

Yeah. Just do it. Just do it.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

Many people have house alarm systems now, so maybe you don't need the glass bottles, obviously, but it's just, like, added protection, you know? Like, if you were to line your window with the glass bottles, if you have a. Like a. A window alarm would suffice.

[Kat]

Do you think that having an alarm automatically makes the predator run away because he has time?

[Amy]

Okay. I think that if they see alarm signs, like, I have my alarm company sign in my yard, like, a little steak that's in the ground, and I even have a light that shines on it at night so you can see. And then I saw another tip. This is from people that rob or burglarize homes.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Like, if you put a dog bowl outside, like, I don't want a beware of dog sign. But if you put a dog bowl on your porch, that can be a deterrent because that will send information like, oh, there's a dog here. And they don't want to deal with that.

[Kat]

But here's my thought.

[Amy]

Okay?

[Kat]

There's a difference, I guess, if you're getting burglarized or if somebody's coming in to capture and murder you, if they're just trying to murder you, I get. If an alarm goes off, a burglar being like, I gotta go. It's not worth it. I'll find another house or something. But if somebody's there to, like, murder you or Take you. Once your alarm goes off, the police don't automatically show up, but they call you. They call you, but they. And then. And if you don't answer, they'll come. But it still is going to take them, depending on where you live.

[Amy]

I don't know. They got to my house pretty quickly one time when I was leaving for work. And this is how terrified I am, being late to work. Because at my. My job for the Bobby Bone show, if you are not on time, you are sent home, which is. Nobody wants to be sent home. It's horrible. So I get there early. Well, one morning I'm leaving for work and my alarm goes off and I'm already in that window where if I don't go, it's gonna be bad. Yeah. And I just leave. And I was like, okay, I'll figure it out. Like, they'll call me, call me, and

[Kat]

I'll say it's fine.

[Amy]

And police showed up.

[Kat]

Did they not call you?

[Amy]

I don't remember exactly how. What happened, but I know that police showed up at my house. And then I was like, oh, yeah, I think everything's fine. Okay, that's like, vaguely.

[Kat]

Maybe this is the thing, because I. I'm using my own experience in judging this, and I could be wrong because I. I've had my alarm go off at my office before and when I wasn't there. And so when they've called, I'm like, well, they'll say like, is everything okay? And I'll just be like, well, I'm not there. So I don't know if like a picture frame fell off the wall or somebody tried to break in. And so then they're like, okay, we'll send somebody, but it takes forever for that person to come out. And maybe it's because they're like, well, nobody's in danger. Versus if we don't answer the phone, they probably do just show up.

[Amy]

I wonder also, too, if it's how. If someone happens to be in the area. Because, like, I wonder if cops are like, oh, I'm literally right around the corner from there, so I'll just go check. Yeah, might as well go check it out. But that was my address. That was weird. I had a lot of police activity there. Maybe they. What was weird? Because My address was 91 1.

[Kat]

Interesting.

[Amy]

I know it's not anymore, so I can say it, but it. It was.

[Kat]

I don't think I ever thought about that.

[Amy]

So it was sort of this weird thing of like, am I manifesting emergency vehicles? Because when there were Fire trucks, ambulances, police.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Multiple times.

[Kat]

Have you ever been broken into for real?

[Amy]

Yes. In North Carolina. We weren't there at the time. I knew that that's when Ben's Air Force Academy ring was stolen. And then potentially, my Aggie ring was stolen. I just don't remember if it was in the jewelry box. So either it was stolen with his ring or I lost it in that house, but it was. I lost my Aggie ring around the same time.

[Kat]

What else did they take?

[Amy]

The only. I. That's, like, the. I think the whole jewelry box, which I don't think the only meaningful thing in there that we could actually account for was Ben's Air Force Academy ring.

[Kat]

That is so lucky. Did you have, like, a separate.

[Amy]

I mean, there might have been some cash or something, but no. We were newlyweds. We had nothing.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

I don't even know why they chose our house to break into. It was like. I mean, you walked in, there was, like, a couch and a TV and a bed.

[Kat]

They didn't take your tv.

[Amy]

No, because it was, like, mounted to the wall, I think, above the fireplace. That would be very difficult. Maybe they did. Maybe they did.

[Kat]

I don't remember.

[Amy]

I remember exactly what my mom looked like that one day, but I don't remember what.

[Kat]

Well, because that memory was, like, seared into your brain.

[Amy]

That is seared into my brain. Like, right now, I'm literally. As I'm trying to tell these stories, I'm like, this is so, so weird. Like, I can't remember what happened when the police showed up after I left for work with my alarm off. And then I was like, forget it. I'm leaving. Like, I don't even have time to go in there and figure out, like, the code and then get. You know, I just left. And that was before I had it on an app to where now I could deactivate my alarm on my phone.

[Kat]

Can we go back to the memory of your mother for just one second?

[Amy]

Yes.

[Kat]

Did you ever tell her, like, as an adult, were you ever, like, one time I did walk.

[Amy]

No.

[Kat]

No.

[Amy]

Okay. No, I did not. That was not. We didn't talk about things like that.

[Kat]

Never.

[Amy]

No. She didn't even talk to me about my period. Whatever.

[Kat]

What did you do when you got it?

[Amy]

I had to figure it out. My friend Kinsey taught me how to do everything.

[Kat]

Wow. I did not have that same experience.

[Amy]

Yeah, no, neither. And with my daughter, I did everything for her because. And my sister is the same way. Like, she's very open with her daughter. Because my sister. I didn't have it. And my sister was already college by the time my period came. But my sister said that for her mom. Never talked to her about it either. It's just that I guess my mom figured out through, like, the trash that something was going on with my sister. So one day my sister opened up the bathroom cabinets and there was feminine products there, but no discussion.

[Kat]

So when you. Okay, this is interesting to me. So when you started your period. Period, do you remember how old you were?

[Amy]

You don't have to say, but, yeah, I was. Well, if I was in. I think I was going into ninth grade because my sister was already gone, so I was probably 13.

[Kat]

Okay, so you. That happens. And you don't think to, like, go. You didn't. It's not that your mom didn't talk to you about it. You didn't even think, like, oh, no, I need to go. I need my mom.

[Amy]

Because we. I don't know.

[Kat]

Because you didn't have that relationship with her.

[Amy]

Right.

[Kat]

Okay. You know, my mom put my first tampon in for me.

[Amy]

Yeah. Well, I mean, I could share things that I've done, but yeah, similar.

[Kat]

Because I couldn't.

[Amy]

Because then I'm like, well, wait, that's your story to tell. So I'm like, I should probably let my daughter tell that. But I think that that's what moms should do.

[Kat]

Well, I also. I was. I tried. She. I tried to do it on my own, but if you're young, you don't know what you're doing. And I. My friends were all going to, like, the rope swing, and I was wearing pads and I couldn't go swimming. Although. Do you know people? I have a friend that when she's on her period and she was swimming, she just doesn't wear anything.

[Amy]

Yeah. Because it stops.

[Kat]

But what if you're just, like, hanging out at the pool? I'm like, you must immediately get in the water and then immediately go, I know, but it.

[Amy]

Why does it stop in the water?

[Kat]

I don't know. That's interesting to me, but.

[Amy]

Because I used to do the same

[Kat]

thing, I guess I didn't know that trick when I was going to the rope swing. So I was like, mom, I want to go with my friends. I don't want to miss out. And so she was like, oh, she just did it for me. And. Which I think is normal, but I don't think. I've never met somebody else who had that experience.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

So I went immediately to my mom when I started my period. Because I was like, what is happening? What do I do? Obviously, I didn't talk about it with my dad, but I just think it's. I get your mom. Not that I get it, but, like, I understand her not being upfront with you, but I just am curious, like, what were you thinking when you started your period? And were you, like, scared, or did you just, like, call your best friend or.

[Amy]

I don't remember. I really don't. I remember my friend. I remember that it was Kinsey, and I remember us being, like, in a mirror and her trying to show me what to do.

[Kat]

But, like, the day you started, you wouldn't.

[Amy]

Kinsey was the one that even told me to get in front of the mirror because that's what her mom had her do. So you can get familiar with your body. Nobody. There was none of that. I don't. No, no, no, no.

[Kat]

I mean, also, it gave you a better. I mean, you would know this, too, if she did it for you, but because you had that experience, then you're like, well, I definitely want to be able to be there for my daughter when. Yeah.

[Amy]

Which clearly, like, my mom. It just must mean my grandma didn't do that.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And I don't know if it's a. There wasn't the awareness to do it, or they just didn't have the capacity, or they're like, well, I figured it out, so she'll figure it out.

[Kat]

Also, is it one of those. Is it a generational thing where, like, she doesn't want to embarrass she. They didn't talk about it back in the day, and so she doesn't want to embarrass you and your sister. So she puts the stuff in there, but she doesn't say anything, you know?

[Amy]

I know, but it's like, okay, that's what happened to me. But then. So I was. So my sister and I decided we're going to be the opposite. It's like, at what point does the gen. At what point someone just has to decide to be the opposite?

[Kat]

I guess so.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Well, I think also times change, so it probably for. I mean. But also, back in the day. Back in the day, day, I'm thinking about yesteryear. You weren't learning about your period at school, so, like, your mom had to tell you about it.

[Amy]

Yeah, I guess.

[Kat]

You know, like, even.

[Amy]

Are you talking about the 1800s?

[Kat]

Yeah, like. Because I'm thinking, like, what. My point. I was gonna say is that, like, early 1900s, like, our grandparents and all that, like, they did. They Talked about way less. They are way open in every area than we are now. And so it is normal for that generationally to keep going because. Yeah, my mom didn't talk about this with me, but it's normal. But your generation. I think it's. In my generation, it started to not be normal. And that's why you're flipping the script. But as I was thinking and saying that, I was like, wait a second. But what did they do back then when you. There's no other way to learn about it. There was no, like class they gave you at school. There's no pamphlet they gave you at the doctor. They don't. You can't go to the pharmacy and get pads and tampons like your mom has to show. Tell you.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

So when did it start getting a. To be a hush hush thing?

[Amy]

Yeah. Well, I don't even know that. For my mom it was like hush hush. I just think it was like. I've told you this before about. I love my mom a lot and she was so great in so many ways. But there was this an emotional neglect for sure. And I would file that under, like the neglect part.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

I know that that's a physical thing happening your body, but there's. Is that in the same category as anything deep or anything like really personal?

[Kat]

It's like she didn't have the capacity or know how to touch any of that.

[Amy]

Yeah. Or anything sensitive like that.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

I don't know how to explain it. Yeah.

[Kat]

Which the. I would argue. And I hope this continues to change. Like that kind of stuff shouldn't be sensitive because it's a normal thing that happens to everybody.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

You know, but. Yeah, that makes sense. Well, you shared a lot about your mom today.

[Amy]

Hey, mom, shout out. Hopefully if we had. We don't have the windows open. If we are. The curtains are closed because Danny told us to. Just kidding.

[Kat]

Now I'm scared. I have my backs to the window I don't like.

[Amy]

But in our podcast room, we had the curtains shut for. Because the light and sound and all that. But I'm like, oh, that would be so crazy right now if we had the windows open. And a cardinal like flew to the

[Kat]

window and she's like, hey, I heard what?

[Amy]

And then my dad flies up as the blue jay and they all.

[Kat]

And I'm like, oh, no, mom, stop.

[Amy]

Get off the blue jay. Ah, good times, good times. So there you have it. How not to get murdered.

[Kat]

Yeah.

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[Amy]

How not to get murdered.

[Kat]

Yeah, thank you.

[Amy]

From a serial killer. Like, I don't. I think for me, I love my sign. I have my alarm. I have another tip. This isn't from Danny, but if you don't want to sleep with the caliber under your pillow. Yeah. Wasp spray. Wasp spray by your nightstand. Keep a can of it ready to go and that stuff will shoot pretty far and be. Damn it. I just. Long time ago, the Internet, maybe I don't remember. I just saw it somewhere.

[Kat]

Interesting. You know what? For somebody who historically has been so afraid of getting kidnapped, I have not done nothing about it.

[Amy]

For someone who lives in fear of being taken every single day, I am not very proactive in protecting myself.

[Kat]

Yeah, like I.

[Amy]

Well, so maybe we need to get some wasps Ray.

[Kat]

I need to get the latter season

[Amy]

whenever I think the wasp Ray honestly comes from when my when I was married and Ben would be deployed for two months at a time. I have slept with the wasp spray by my nightstand.

[Kat]

That sounds. Honestly I like that idea. Like that sounds.

[Amy]

And I guess through certain moves I've just gotten rid of it and I haven't like put it back but I mean I know I have some so Maybe even today. I'm gonna go out to the garage and grab my waft spray and put it by my bed and then I gotta order a deadbolt.

[Kat]

I don't think I'm gonna do the deadbolt though. I just.

[Amy]

Well, you know what I'm be real mad about though? And be like, are you waking me up for real? You're ruining my sleep score. Like, seriously? Seriously.

[Kat]

That's what's.

[Amy]

I track my sleep now.

[Kat]

And your inner.

[Amy]

You're gonna give me a 60, which is fair. And I want. I'm striving for 90, which is optimal.

[Kat]

What would you rather have 60 sleep score or be dead?

[Amy]

Well, I mean, if I'm dead, I'm not worried about my sleep score.

[Kat]

Okay, that. Oh, silver linings.

[Amy]

No, but what I'm saying, would that work for him if I'm like, dude,

[Kat]

oh, you're really not.

[Amy]

He'll be like, oh, yeah, I didn't think about that. I'm sor.

[Kat]

My bed.

[Amy]

Carry on.

[Kat]

I'll go to the next house.

[Amy]

Like, what the.

[Kat]

Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna get wasp spray. I'm gonna get the ladder. I'm not gonna do the deadboll. What I might have to start doing again though, is. I know I've told you that I used to sleep with my glasses on as a child because I was afraid if I did get kidnapped, I wouldn't be able to see. I wouldn't be able to find my way back home.

[Amy]

And then it breaks my heart every time. I know I'm saying every time it breaks my heart, but if I hear

[Kat]

you, it was a thunderstorm. I took them off and put them really close to my bed because I was afraid I was gonna get electrocuted because my glasses were metal. That's. That is a little picture into the anxiety of my brain as a child. And also a picture in like, why I slept in my sister's room, in my mom's room, my parents room a lot as a kid. Probably sit there. My mom probably wishes she had a deadfold. But maybe I'll start sleeping with my glasses on again. But then I would get in trouble. I would get in trouble because my mom would have to keep taking me back to the eye doctor because my glasses were always crooked because I was

[Amy]

sleeping on them and then crushing them. Well, you have Patrick now. You have a man. Oh, which. Right. He would protect you, right?

[Kat]

He would actually. He would. We talked about this when we were on vacation. I was like, if somebody disrespected me or like whatever like, because he doesn't get angry easily. I was like, what would you do? And a guy almost hit me on a bike. I've never seen him, like, what do I. How do I even say this? Like, agitated. He snapped at this man to the point that I was like, now I'm uncomfortable because he's. We're not. He was on a bike and then he. There was a stoplight, and so he almost hit me, but then he had to stop and wait for the crosswalk. And I was like, patrick, we have to go stand next to him now at the crosswalk. But he did yell and feel protective of me, so maybe he will. He can have the wasp spray on his nightstand.

[Amy]

Okay, well, I have bad news about the wasp spray because apparently Shannon just looked up what Google says. And again, I was married. My husband was on. My ex husband was on deployments. This was a long time ago that I was using it. But she says using wasp spray for self defense is generally ineffective and not recommended by experts, despite popular myths, which I fell for. While it can shoot 20 to 30ft, wasp spray is designed for insects, not humans, and often causes minimal temporary irritation rather than incapacitating an attacker. Additionally, using it as a federal crime. Is that a federal crime? If you're in my room, it's. I can squirt you with anything I want.

[Kat]

It's self defense. However, I don't like the word squirt or spray spray.

[Amy]

Well, whatever.

[Kat]

But I mean, why would we not just have pepper spray spray? Why did we go to the wasp spray? Because it shoots farther. Well, why, why can't we. We invent a pepper spray that goes far?

[Amy]

Like long shot.

[Kat]

Long shot pepper spray. I think we have something here. Trademark Tam Tam.

[Amy]

I'll add it to my list of ideas. I have something I'm working on right now. I've ordered. I've ordered most all the things I need to put it together.

[Kat]

I mean, is it like the.

[Amy]

It has to do with that.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

But it has an additional thing I'm gonna need to get a patent.

[Kat]

Okay. So you can't say too much.

[Amy]

I can't say too much. It doesn't exist.

[Kat]

If you guys know somebody who can invent a long shot pepper spray, or if it's invented already, let us know because why wouldn't we not just use that? How far does pepper spray even spray?

[Amy]

I mean. Well, Shannon says here that 8 to

[Kat]

15ft, that's pretty far.

[Amy]

You can get a specialized gel or stream formula that will go 20 to 25ft.

[Kat]

So it's not a trademark.

[Amy]

It. This is like the time that I wanted to invent mosquito patches. You know how pimple patches exist?

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And you put a little clear patch on your pimple and then you don't irritate it more.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Well, I get eaten alive by mosquitoes, and I thought, I just need a clear little patch so that it puts in on the patches medicine.

[Kat]

And then you can't itch it, and

[Amy]

then I'm not going to itch it, and it's going to help it feel faster. And I thought I had an idea. I tell you what, I was like, this is going to be billions. Yeah. I'm for flying private. Everywhere we go. We're that kind of. Not that we would. Because, you know.

[Kat]

Yeah, the environment.

[Amy]

Yeah, I was gonna say the economy, but I mean, the environment. But I'm just saying we. We live large.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

They exist.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

I Google it and it's like, where do you want to buy them? Target? Walgreens? Cvs? We have them everywhere. Different brands, different sizes.

[Kat]

It's a good idea. Such a good idea that somebody else thought of it, too.

[Amy]

Yeah. It's like the time in college I thought of Netflix before Netflix came about that stuff.

[Kat]

Oh, I have an update.

[Amy]

Oh, on what?

[Kat]

A TV show.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

That I said I would not watch. And I actually am now in the second season of I don't Remember Tell Me Lies. Oh.

[Amy]

I haven't really been able to get into that.

[Kat]

Well, here's the thing. It's not good in my. It's not my type of show. I see why people like it, but I didn't have anything to watch, and I like to watch stuff when I'm walking on the treadmill. So I kept just going back to it, and then I got into it. There is a lot of physical intimacy.

[Amy]

There's a lot of what my mom and dad were doing.

[Kat]

There's a lot of that. And it's a lot of like. Like, sometimes I'm like, thank God I'm not in public. Like, I wouldn't want to watch this on a. On a plane or something, you know, But I'm kind of intrigued. I want to know what happens now.

[Amy]

So, yeah, I get. I didn't even finish season one.

[Kat]

Yeah. I don't. I'm not recommending it, but also kind of. I'm in it now.

[Amy]

Yeah, you're uncommitted. Sounds like you're in.

[Kat]

So Tell me Lies.

[Amy]

Tell me. Did you watch Beef? You need to watch Beef. I haven't gotten. But then there's also some, like, a sexual part of that where I'm like, I don't need to see that. Like, I don't know why we have to write that in.

[Kat]

Tell Me why Tell Me Lies has to have it in there. Because it's like, the whole show is, like, about their sex lives.

[Amy]

Okay, I get that.

[Kat]

And, like, dating part.

[Amy]

I get this character, like, has this thing he's addicted to.

[Kat]

Like, porn.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

That was hard to say. I didn't know if we had little kids listening.

[Kat]

We said sex.

[Amy]

I was gonna spell it. I was gonna go.

[Kat]

This is also. I think we forget because I do the same thing, too. Like, this is an adult podcast. I know children.

[Amy]

I know. We have moms that listen with their kids in the car, and they're like, hey, I would just like a heads up, but we have been talking about serial killers

[Kat]

and you walking in on your mom and dad, and then.

[Amy]

And then I'm like, pause, pause, pause. I'm like, I literally was sitting there thinking, should I say the word or should I spell it? And then you were like, porn. And this character, he. So obviously he's watching that and doing other things, and it was just, like, so vulgar. Like, I'm like, okay, I don't need. You can insinuate that he has an issue with that, but I don't need to see him in action doing that.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So it just was, like, I don't.

[Kat]

Was it that important into the storyline.

[Amy]

It can be a part of the storyline without you showing me.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Him doing it.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Like, I don't need to see, like, I don't know. The older. I. I'm just like, I don't. I'm good. I'm good, dude. And then now

[Kat]

and then.

[Amy]

And then I look around at all the other men, and I'm like, what are y' all up to?

[Kat]

Oh, yeah.

[Amy]

I mean, this is the thing. Oh. Which is another. We'll close on what Shannon found about men and serial killers. Approximately 90 to over 93% of serial killers are men.

[Kat]

Which I guess 95, which I'm like, where.

[Amy]

Who are the 7%? Who are these women? Like, what are they, like, killing their guns, probably?

[Kat]

Well, you have to be a serial killer.

[Amy]

Yeah. But if you have multiple husbands and you kill them, that's serial killer. How many? I mean, there's women I've. Her stories I've heard of is like, that's her third husband who is dying.

[Kat]

Mysterious, famous female serial killer. Or it's like, maybe women serial killers don't do it for the fame and men. Do you know like.

[Amy]

Well, a lot of serial killer. Well, okay, not a lot.

[Kat]

I don't know.

[Amy]

But like Ted Bundy, for example, he was very good looking and charming. Maybe it's. There are socio. Psychopaths. Excuse me, Psychopaths that are very charming and attractive. And it's like you never know.

[Kat]

You never. Yeah, you never know until you do know.

[Amy]

And then it's better than your mosquito spray. And then you just better say, can you just get it over with?

[Kat]

Or I have really bad diarrhea.

[Amy]

Some of the most famous female serial killers include Eileen Warnos, who killed seven men in Florida, and Juana Barraza, the Mexican lady of silence who targeted elderly women. Wow. Others include historical prisoners like poisoners. Oh,

[Kat]

what? Did I say that? Sassy.

[Amy]

I have dyslexia.

[Kat]

Okay. I didn't know if you changed that word because you thought it was a typo.

[Amy]

No, my eyeballs change it. Okay. To what I think it is.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

And I figured she's probably in prison. Others include historical poisoners like Belle Gunness, suspected of over 40 murders, and caregivers such as Jane Toppin, who confessed to killing 31 people. Oh, my, my.

[Kat]

That. I wonder if a lot of. Because, you know, a lot of serial killers are from the olden days. Like people can't get away from it, can't get away with it as easy now.

[Amy]

Right. You know, because there wasn't the FBI. Like there was no across state lines. There wasn't communication. So you could even go from state to state and do stuff. Yeah.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Oh, yeah. DNA.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

All the testing.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Forensics.

[Kat]

Crazy.

[Amy]

Could you ever do that? Like a. For like the people that do that kind of work, like a forensic scientist or a corner. And they have to be on the scenes of these gruesome situations. Like, how do they compartmentalize that now?

[Kat]

I don't think a lot of them do. Well, I actually would be so interested in being a forensic psychologist doing that kind of thing, except I think about like the schedules and like. Like, yeah, the. The lifestyle is different. Like working. When I watch like a crime show, I'm like, those jobs are so cool. And also that's meaningful work that they're doing. They're like, I mean, I guess we're all doing meaningful work. Sure.

[Amy]

You might be.

[Kat]

You're right. People's day all the time.

[Amy]

Are we?

[Kat]

But then I'm like, I don't want to. They have. They work 24 hours a day sometimes.

[Amy]

Yeah. It's like when duty calls.

[Kat]

Right. Yeah, you. And you can't just, like, go take a nap because you only have a certain amount of time before the crime becomes, you know, 48 at most. If they're not people aren't found within 48 hours, it's like they're most likely dead.

[Amy]

So do you ever think about Savannah Guthrie's mom and, like, where. Where she is? It's.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

I mean, occasionally I do. And one of those moments is right now.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

She just popped into my head. And how we have no idea.

[Kat]

Yeah. Yeah. And. Yeah.

[Amy]

And of course there's people, I guess just the thing that she's elderly and there's people that disappear all the time. So I feel bad about all of those people. This is just a high profile case, and the fact that it would happen to Savannah Guthrie's mom and then not get figured out is just kind of crazy.

[Kat]

Crazy that. Yes, if that high. What's crazy is when it is that high profile and they have all of the help, they still can't figure it out. It's like, how did this person get away with it? They had to make some mistake.

[Amy]

Like, there's a person on a ring camera.

[Kat]

Like, how. How does. How. Like how, How?

[Amy]

I don't know. It's very.

[Kat]

Dude, it's like you plan the perfect crime. Like, how do you do?

[Amy]

And, like, why her?

[Kat]

I have some theories, but I don't really want to share them. Okay, I'll share them offline.

[Amy]

All right.

[Kat]

So this was a really fun episode.

[Amy]

Interesting. We went a lot of places.

[Kat]

Shall we end with something positive? I don't know that I have anything.

[Amy]

Yeah, I guess we could just end how we normally end. Okay. You can call us 877-207-2077. Maybe call us if you too have been scarred by your parents. Extracurricular activities that might make you feel less alone or things you do to keep your bedroom safe.

[Kat]

That's what I really want to know. It's like. Yeah, what are the non. How do I phrase this? I, I.

[Amy]

Any. Everything but non.

[Kat]

Extreme ways. Little things you do that help you feel more safe in your home outside of, like an alarm system.

[Amy]

Yeah, because we have that. Let's just say, like somehow, some way someone's bypassing alarms. Then what? What's next? Best step. And then you can, if you don't want to leave us a voicemail. But we love them. You can email. Hey there, feelingthingspodcast.com and we hope wherever you are, you have the day you need to have. Bye.

[Kat]

Bye.

[Amy]

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