FEELING THINGS - Is Your Phone Making You Less Attractive? Also, Your Texting Habits Reveal More Than You Think

Summary

The Bobby Bones Show — "FEELING THINGS: Is Your Phone Making You Less Attractive? Also, Your Texting Habits Reveal More Than You Think"

Date: May 23, 2026
Hosts: Amy & Kat
Theme: Exploring how texting habits and phone use impact relationships and personal interactions, with a blend of book talk, co-parenting anecdotes, self-care, and listener stories.

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Episode Overview

Amy and Kat kick off this episode of Feeling Things with gratitude and relatable everyday stories, quickly diving into the nuanced ways our phones—and even something as small as our texting style—affect relationships and perceptions. They blend practical tips (book, laundry, and earring hacks), vulnerable personal anecdotes, and research-driven insights on "phubbing" (phone snubbing). The conversation weaves in lighter fare—frozen peas, baby detergent, and steak preferences—while looping back to the core question: Is your phone making you less attractive, and what can your texts and habits reveal about you?

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Starting With Gratitude and Book Chat

• Amy thanks Kat for recommending 'Winter Garden' by Kristin Hannah, admitting it took her a while to get into it but now she's hooked.
• Book Giveaway Anecdote: Amy shares how she gifted a copy of 'The Nightingale' to a listener’s mom after a gratitude-sharing exercise on Instagram.
• Encouragement on Slow Starts:

  "I'm grateful for your encouragement because I think whatever hump I needed to get over as of last night, I'm over the hump. Because now I can't wait to keep reading, because the story gets so good." — Kat (04:57)
  "You'll appreciate the beginning later." — Amy (05:00)

2. Texting Habits: The Subtle Language of "Okay"

• How different forms of "okay" in texts signal different moods:
  • "Okay." (with period): Firm, closing the convo, potentially annoyed
  • "K": Mildly annoyed
  • "Okayyyyy": Sassy, playful, possibly flirting
  • Thumbs up: Passive aggressive or lazy
  • "Okay" (no punctuation): Neutral, just moving on
• Real Example:

  "I sent my ex-husband 'okay.' period, because he didn’t want to carpool with me to our son’s race. I was closing the convo. Mine was a little bit bummed." — Kat (16:00)

  • Discussion on how this small act reflects emotion and sets boundaries.

Notable Segment:

How You Text "Okay" Reveals Your Mood
Timestamps: 12:16–18:28

• Fun, insightful breakdown and relatable anecdotes about texting styles.

3. The "Phubbing" Phenomenon: Is Your Phone Making You Less Attractive?

• Definition: Using your phone in a social situation, ignoring those present (phubbing = phone + snubbing).
• Discussing a recent study:
  • Phubbing reduces perceptions of warmth, competence, likability, and social attractiveness.
  • Even "work" phone use can be perceived as less engaging.

  "...my ex-boyfriend told me he found it unattractive that I was on my phone a lot, even though sometimes it was for work." — Kat (24:10)

  • Challenge for those with jobs requiring off-hours connectivity (social media, radio).
• Balancing Phone Use:

  "I need to have more awareness — am I in work mode, how does it appear to those around me?" — Kat (28:20)

  • Amy suggests carving out intentional phone time to separate work from personal moments.

Notable Segment:

Phubbing: Why Phone Use Makes You Less Attractive
Timestamps: 18:28–28:44

• Personal anecdotes, relationship dynamics, and academic study highlights.

4. Everyday Hacks & Things They Love

• Baby Laundry Detergent for Adults:

  "I started washing my clothes in baby laundry detergent... it's for sensitive skin and smells so good." — Amy (10:41)

• Earlobe Support Tape:

  "I can't wear heavy earrings without my ear support tape. Seven bucks for a pack, would pay way more." — Kat (11:30)

• Frozen Peas in Meals:
  • Used to "stretch food out" for hungry kids, but Kat shares a listener PSA about food safety: frozen peas should always be cooked (51:00).

5. Friend Catch-ups & Quality Time Offline

• Randomly popping over:

  • Advocating for spontaneous in-person hangouts with friends despite modern hangups about "imposing."
  • Discussion on how social norms have made casual pop-ins rare.

• Making time for genuine connection (phones away), sharing dinner stories—like the accidental Chick-fil-A copycat nuggets (30:29) and Reese’s eggs as dessert (31:43).

6. Adventures, Routines & Clothes

• Dressing Up for Work:
  • Reflections on how video/social media has changed expectations to "get ready" daily.
  • Noting generational trends: college students now dressing up for class again.
• Adventurousness:

  "You're adventurous in other ways—with your style." — Amy (48:03)

  • (Referencing an "eyelett" cut-out outfit and Kat’s creative additions to meals.)

7. Food Safety & Family Stories

• Frozen Peas PSA: Shared by a food safety educator listener; explains why peas from the freezer need cooking.

• Well-done Burgers: Advice from Kat’s “meat scientist” nephew-in-law: always cook burger patties well-done for safety (54:16).

• Steak Preferences and Childhood Dental Drama:

  • Kat’s aversion to steak rooted in her childhood underbite and the struggle to chew steak (“looked like a little bulldog”).
  • Heartfelt story of grandma dumpster-diving at Chuck E. Cheese to rescue Kat’s retainer (61:09).

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Highlighted Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "A thumbs up might as well be taking a knife and stabbing it into my back and being like, twist." — Kat on her hate for the thumbs-up emoji (17:51)
• "You're a fubber." — Amy, lightheartedly calling out Kat's phone habit after her ex’s feedback (25:04)
• "Just bring back randomly popping in on people, which I think now we call imposing." — Kat (34:51)
• "My grandma got in the dumpster at Chuck E. Cheese and she found my retainer." — Kat (61:09)
• "We're coming for you, 20-year-olds. That sounds bad." — Amy, joking about their generational reach (62:19)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Content | Timestamp Range | |---------|---------|----------------| | Book Talk & Gratitude | Getting over the "hump" in 'Winter Garden' | 03:00–05:13 | | Texting Habits Explored | "Okay" variations and meaning | 12:16–18:28 | | Phubbing & Attractiveness | Relationship implications of phone use | 18:28–28:44 | | Practical Hacks | Laundry, earrings, frozen peas | 10:41–13:09, 49:04–54:06 | | In-Person Connections | Random friend pop-ins, dinner stories | 29:09–35:46 | | Food Safety | Frozen peas and burger safety | 51:00–55:15 | | Childhood Stories | Steak aversion, the retainer saga | 59:16–61:31 |

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Be mindful how you text and use your phone: Small choices (a period, a K, an emoji) shape how you're perceived and how conversations play out.
• Phone distraction ("phubbing") in relationships signals disengagement: Set boundaries and keep phone time intentional, especially when it's work-related.
• Personal care includes everything from detergent choices to retainer rescues—life’s logistics matter!
• Don’t be afraid to reach out (offline!) or show up for friends—even if it breaks the new “imposing” norm.
• Fun fact: Always cook frozen peas, and if you like burgers, well-done is safest!

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Tone & Style

Friendly, conversational, occasionally self-deprecating, and always striving for connection—Amy and Kat make even mundane topics into opportunities for humor, vulnerability, and practical learning. Their relatable, banter-filled dialogue keeps the vibe upbeat but sincere.

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[Amy]

Ladies and fellas, we just follow in

[Kat]

the spirit where it tell us from the real stuff to the chill stuff and the in between. Sometimes the best thing you can do is just stop and feel things.

[Amy]

This is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat.

[Kat]

Happy Tuesday. Welcome to Feeling Things. I'm Amy.

[Amy]

And I'm Kat.

[Kat]

And I am feeling thankful. And it's actually for you, Kat. Thankful for your encouragement. I started reading Winter Garden, Kristin Hannah's book. You know, I was obsessed with the Nightingale, and I ordered a five pack.

[Amy]

You love the packs of books.

[Kat]

Well, why not?

[Amy]

You get a deal, I guess. You've already writ. You've already read a Kristin Hannah. So you knew you were gonna like this author.

[Kat]

Yes.

[Amy]

It was as much as a gamble.

[Kat]

And you told me about Winter Garden, so I wanted that. So, yeah, I figure I'll like all the books. Well, I'd already read the Nightingale, so I ended up giving that away to a listener on Instagram. I feel like my Instagram followers are still listeners. They're not Instagram followers. They're listeners that have followed me on Instagram. You know what I mean? So I call them listeners.

[Amy]

They're like jokes on you. I've never listened to your podcast.

[Kat]

They're like, I'm a follower on Instagram. Yeah. I don't honestly even know why I'm following you. No. Turns out I randomly selected one someone. Speaking of being grateful, I put up a gratitude box and had people share something they were thankful for. And I was gonna randomly pick someone, so I randomly picked someone saying they were thankful something, and it was Tammy, and she's been listening to the Bobby Bones show forever, since way back when we were in Austin. And so that was cool to pick someone, not like a random. Been around a long time. And she actually wanted to gift it to her mom because her mom loves to read. So it was really sweet. She had me write a little note to her mom on the COVID but she was like, send it to me, and then I'll give it to my mom and say, you know it's from you. And I was like, oh, this is just so fun. So that was part of my five pack mailed off. The Nightingale started reading Winter Garden, which was in the pack, and I have not been loving it. And then you said, well, remember, it's slow in the beginning. You have to push through. So I'm grateful for your encouragement because I think whatever hump I needed to get over as of last Night, I'm over the hump. Because now I can't wait to keep

[Amy]

reading because the story gets so good.

[Kat]

It gets so good.

[Amy]

You will appreciate the beginning later. You'll understand. Because while I was reading, I was like, yeah, yeah, I get to the point. But you'll appreciate all that, like, early stuff that feels pretty boring later.

[Kat]

It matters.

[Amy]

Yes, it matters. It's just not as fun.

[Kat]

Now that I had this experience with Winter Garden, it's making me want to go back to the names, which I've debated starting or stopping. And I think I'll. I'll revisit the names and try to find the hump. Where's the hump? When am I gonna get over the hump?

[Amy]

Where's the Theo of Golden Hump? Because yesterday when you called me, remember what I said?

[Kat]

You said, I. I just woke up from a nap. I fell asleep reading the Hope golden,

[Amy]

and I'm like, who's trying so hard? Wow. This is the thing. I'm enjoying the story. Listen, I can't hear you, but it's not interesting yet. And I'm like 100 and something pages in.

[Kat]

Could it be that you're tired from the pregnancy? You're growing a baby, so the book is just sort of. Okay, but you fell asleep. Because even before we came over to record, you're like, I gotta stop and get some coffee. Let me know if you want anything. There's this cute little drive through place right by my house.

[Amy]

I did a. So that. Yes, you did.

[Kat]

Okay, say it how you said it.

[Amy]

I said, I'm gonna go. There's a coffee shop right by my house. I'm gonna stop. And you go, you said, it's a drive through. Well, I said that later. I said it then. I said, it's a drive through, so I'll make it quick. And then I go, it's actually a Dunkin Donuts.

[Kat]

Okay. I admit to adding a little flair to that because I think when you said, there's a coffee shop by my house and you live in downtown Franklin, and then you said, it's a drive through, in my mind, I was picturing one of those cute little drive through coffee shops where that's all they are. You can't even go inside. It's like a wooden little log cabin thingy. And you pull up, order your coffee and drive off.

[Amy]

Yeah, this is in like a little strip mall.

[Kat]

And then Cat's like, yeah, it's Dunkin. I'm like, okay. Which is totally fine. What's your Dunkin Order what you got over there?

[Amy]

A almond milk latte with vanilla. So a vanilla almond milk latte.

[Kat]

Yeah, I can get on board with that.

[Amy]

Ice, ice, ice.

[Kat]

Yeah. It's getting a little hot out for hot coffee, so I'm thankful for you pushing me along. Kat. What. What's your feeling of the day?

[Amy]

I'm feeling very excited because some of you guys might remember this. I've talked about it before Saturday, so this will have already happened because we're recording before the weekend.

[Kat]

We're really letting people in.

[Amy]

Yeah. Because they might. If their followers and listeners, they might see that this has already happened on Instagram.

[Kat]

So fun fact or insider baseball? Probably not fun fact. Yeah. We are recording this. Not on our usual day. We're. We would normally record on Monday. However, my son made it to state with his track team. So during the hours in which Katt and I would record, I'm gonna be headed to Knoxville, Tennessee, to watch Stevenson race in the state Track championship, which is so cool.

[Amy]

He said that the. The meet is at utk, is at the. The college stadium. Like, that's really cool for a middle school state to be at a college stadium. I think that's legit.

[Kat]

Yeah. We're excited. And so that's why. Yeah, we're recording early, which. About that race. I have a story coming up. Or about that drive to Knoxville. I'll have something coming up in a minute that's. I'm gonna get vulnerable.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

I'm gonna be sharing something that was sort of like a little punch in the gut.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

Oh, okay.

[Amy]

Well, I'm excited because tomorrow is our annual Patty Day, which is a day, historically, that my husband, Patrick, he will plan from start to finish. The entire day. It's us and then two other couples, a whole. He'll plan the whole day, but he won't tell any of us what we're doing. So we'll plan like a brunch, and then like an activity, and then like a nut. It's usually like four stops. And last year, I made airbrush T shirts that said Patty Day, and I surprised everybody with them. And I was thinking we were gonna wear them again this year. However, Patrick's best friend texted me a couple weeks ago, and he said, can you send me that picture of Patrick with the sports goggles from his soccer picture? You know this picture?

[Kat]

Oh, yeah. That picture is epic.

[Amy]

And I have to show you this because you'll love it. Have you seen those shirts that people are making for, like, their. Maybe this is more in my algorithm, but, like, for their significant others, for, like, weddings and bachelorettes where it's like a picture of them with, like all these kind of like floating pictures of them. It almost looks like a band T shirt or something. Do you know what I'm talking about?

[Kat]

No, but it's fine.

[Amy]

Okay. Anyway, so he made this shirt of Patrick with a bunch of pictures of him as a kid.

[Kat]

Oh, that's so cute.

[Amy]

Yeah, you'll. If you want to see the picture, I will definitely post these shirts. Patrick doesn't know, so I cannot wait for him. He has to wear this in public. Like, I will tell the first stop we're going to is like a nice

[Kat]

brunch spot and he's gonna have to wear that.

[Amy]

We're all gonna wear it.

[Kat]

That's really.

[Amy]

So I'm excited about that. And then I wanted to share something that I meant to share last week when you said something I've been loving. I meant to say this, but I guess I panicked. I've been loving. And this is just like a. I guess a tip, or not even a tip. It's just a thing I have been loving. Washing my clothes and baby laundry detergent. Draft drift is what it's called. And I didn't mean to do this, but I bought it to wash the baby's clothes because we've been getting some hand me downs and it smelled so good that I started washing my clothes in it. And it's for sensitive skin. So anybody who can't use like a regular Tide or has to use, like, what is odorless. Whatever.

[Kat]

That's me. Unscented.

[Amy]

Un. Okay.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Odorless. That's kind of not as, like, nice sounding. Try baby laundry detergent.

[Kat]

I know. I maybe need to come borrow a little cup of dress. Cup of dress and see if it breaks me out.

[Amy]

Yeah, I'll. I'll give you a sample.

[Kat]

I'll sample. Yeah.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

I love that.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Things you're loving.

[Amy]

Things that. Something I'm loving.

[Kat]

I'm loving. I know we put this in a newsletter once, but people just need to know this exists. The little tape you can put on the back of your ears to support your earlobes. If you've got wimpy earlobes or your holes have ripped a lot. That is my ears. And I would say pretty much every day. Not right now, because I don't have earrings in. But any point, if you see me with earrings, I have got my ear support tape on. On the back of my earlobe.

[Amy]

Wait. Oh, you can't see because it's in the back.

[Kat]

Yeah. And I just reordered another pack on Amazon. They're like $7 and I would pay way more. Like, that's how great they are. So I wasn't gonna share that, but just thought, well, if you shared something, I should share this, because those are things I am loving and I am so grateful for because it helps. I love these big hoop earrings that I have, and I would not be able to wear the hoops if I didn't have my support table.

[Amy]

Wait a second, though, but does this mean that maybe in your life you've just been wearing a little heavy of maybe.

[Kat]

My earlobes are not built for certain earrings that I've been wearing. So, yeah, I've probably damaged them over time. We know this. I've ripped all the way through. I've had to have surgery.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

Okay. Speaking of the word okay, I saw this post. The accounts, like markets, I don't even follow it. But they had this whole thing in my algorithm where it said how you text okay reveals your mood. And then it reminded me of a text I just sent last night to my ex husband that said okay, period. And that's all. I put O and then K and then period, not even okay a Y.

[Amy]

What did you mean, though?

[Kat]

I meant okay, period. I meant okay. But what he told me was that he didn't think we should carpool to the race. And I said, okay, I was shooting my shot. I don't really want to drive to Knoxville by myself. And Stevenson's dad's going, my ex husband, and he's taking Stephenson because it's his week with Stevenson. I guess if it was my week, I would be the driver. But since it's his week, he's taken him. So I will drive up there by myself. So I sent him a text that said, should we carpool to the meet?

[Amy]

Which to me feels pretty normal given Yalls relationship.

[Kat]

Yes, we have a good co parenting relationship. And he said, I think it's best we take our own cars. And I don't want it to be confusing for Stevenson because Stevenson, he is the kind that would be like. Even though if we told him Stevenson no, but he'll occasionally ask that. I'll hang up the phone. I'll be on the phone with Ben, his dad, and we'll hang up and he'll be like, are y' all gonna get back together? And I was like, no. Why would you think that? Well, I don't know. Y' all talk a lot. Well, because we have kids. Yeah, we have to talk a lot.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

No, but Ben is in a very happy relationship and has a girlfriend. And also I was nervous about texting, about carpooling out of respect for their relationship, because I didn't want to even ask so that they have to feel even the slightest bit uncomfortable. But I honestly was like, I'll sit in the back on my computer. I won't. You know, you won't even know I'm there.

[Amy]

Well, okay. Flip that, though. How would you feel if he said,

[Kat]

do you want a carpool? I would say no. Yeah, you can drive.

[Amy]

No, that's not the flipping. More so if you were dating somebody, if you were his girlfriend.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

How would you. Would you think that would be?

[Kat]

I don't know.

[Amy]

I think I probably have a healthy relationship.

[Kat]

I think I probably would feel weird. So I do think it was the respectful thing for Ben to do, even though that's not the reason he used to.

[Amy]

Oh, yeah.

[Kat]

He didn't say it was because of his girlfriend. I don't know that she would care. But I wanted to respect their relationship and not ask. But I had to shoot my shot because who wants to drive a couple to a few hours? What does it mean, two and a half hours? Two and a half to three hours down and back, same day. So now that's six hours.

[Amy]

I know what you can do, though.

[Kat]

Listen to a book.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

Yeah, you can listen to Winter Garden. Although. That might not be the although.

[Kat]

It's.

[Amy]

It's getting interesting. So it might be the vibe.

[Kat]

Yeah. I think I feel like the pace I'm on, I'm now that I'm totally into it and I have nothing else to do this weekend. I'm gonna keep on keeping on. It might be done.

[Amy]

Keep two and a half hours worth of it for at least one drive.

[Kat]

Okay. So I texted back, okay period. And then I saw this post about how you text okay. Reveals your mood.

[Amy]

Okay,

[Kat]

so, okay, period is you're firm. You're closing the convo.

[Amy]

Is that how you felt? I'm curious, what was behind the okay period for you?

[Kat]

Mine was a little bit bumped.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

But the normal meeting is. But I was. I was closing it. I think I had more to say. Cause I probably been like, stevenson won't think that, or we can tell him. But I just said okay.

[Amy]

It almost was like a boundary for

[Kat]

yourself, which feels firm. And I'm closing the convo because he didn't reply. He didn't double tap thumbs up that hard. It. Nothing convo was done.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

And so that's what I found interesting is I went okay, period, and you're closing the convo, and the convo was closed.

[Amy]

Okay. So you feel good about it?

[Kat]

I feel fine about it. Okay. K. Just one K is mildly annoyed, doesn't want to type okay. Like, okay. A yyyyy is sassy, playful, maybe even flirting.

[Amy]

Ooh, don't send that one to your.

[Kat]

What if he was like, I think it's best we ride separate. And I'm like, okay. A thumbs up is a way you can say okay to something, but that's very passive aggressive, busy, or lazy. And I will say I hate a thumbs up. Could you imagine if he texted me that and I just go thumbs up?

[Amy]

Yeah, that would really be sending a message. I mean, that would be just as bad as I think K is. K is pretty bad. K period is even worse. K period isn't on here. I would say K period is. I'm pissed.

[Kat]

You know, some people go, kk. What's that?

[Amy]

That I think KK is like. It's a kk like, got it. Like, it's like cutesy.

[Kat]

You know, that's cute.

[Amy]

Okay, but you didn't read the okay, no period. You read okay period.

[Kat]

Okay, let's see. Okay.

[Amy]

Okay. No period is. You're fine. You're just done talking. It just depends, honestly. Depends what conversation we're having. If it was one like that where there is emotion involved into in it, you have to be more careful with your okays. But if we're just like chit chatting about random stuff, you don't have to be as careful because I'm not reading into stuff, you know?

[Kat]

Yeah. Just don't ever send me a thumbs up. A thumbs up might as well be taking a knife and stabbing it into my back and being like, twist.

[Amy]

Okay. What's worse, the thumbs up emoji or thumbsing up a message?

[Kat]

They're both equally bad.

[Amy]

I think thumbs up emojis worse.

[Kat]

Okay, I can go with that because sometimes, occasionally with work people, I do a thumbs up because double tap heart feels inappropriate for work.

[Amy]

Yeah, because that just means I'm liking it.

[Kat]

Yeah, like. Or I got it. Like, hey, need you to come record this. Got it. And you can't double tap.

[Amy]

Can't hurt them, right?

[Kat]

I don't want to go to hr.

[Amy]

Okay. Well, speaking of texting and phones, I have an article that is a little bit of a throwback for us. Do you remember when we talked about a thing called phubbing?

[Kat]

Yeah. When you're on your phone and ignoring. Yeah, that's like the sl. It's like a cute way to say it.

[Amy]

Is it cute?

[Kat]

The cute word? The gin.

[Amy]

Fubbing, I think is one of the most unattractive words I've ever had.

[Kat]

Well, I'm not saying that it's a cute word, but it's the lingo. There you go. Yeah, that's what I was looking for.

[Amy]

So, yeah. So fubbing, I guess is just like you being on your phone. When you're in a social interaction, whether one person or a group of people, you're fubbing somebody. Like if you were on your phone right now, you'd be fubbing me. So I found this article and it says, are you more attractive when you put down your phone? How ditching your device makes you desirable. And I thought this was appropriate because, you know, don't you want to be desirable right now?

[Kat]

Because I'm single?

[Amy]

Yes.

[Kat]

Well, I know I just got vulnerable with something about my ex husband.

[Amy]

Do you want to share something about your ex boyfriend?

[Kat]

I do have a story. Yeah.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

I know I have a vulnerable ex boyfriend thing that he just told me.

[Amy]

Okay. Is it about fubbing?

[Kat]

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[Amy]

home this mood check is brought to you by State Farm.

[Kat]

Que tal mi gente honey German checking in.

[Amy]

Contigo take a second. Literal mente un momentico para ti. How's your corazon feeling today? If it's a little tired, a little oof.

[Kat]

You're not alone.

[Amy]

Have you eaten algorico?

[Kat]

Taken a deep breath, maybe even turned

[Amy]

off your phone for cinco minutitos, I promise the memes will still be there. Sometimes self care isn't candles and meditation.

[Kat]

It's just saying no.

[Amy]

It's drinking a little bit of agua. It's letting yourself rest.

[Kat]

Simpena, you don't have to prove anything today. Just be breathe. Estas haciendo lo mejor que puedes.

[Amy]

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[Kat]

Now, I have a vulnerable ex boyfriend thing that he just told me.

[Amy]

Okay, is it about fuving?

[Kat]

Kind of. I mean, I'll tell it to you and then you can, I don't know, decide if it fits. But he told me that he didn't know if it was because of my job, but he found that I was on my phone a lot. So I was like, oh, how did he share that?

[Amy]

Like, how did that come up of like, are we sharing things that we didn't like about each other?

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Oh, I was joking. Well, now that we're broken up, let's air it all out.

[Kat]

No, I think it was more like, hey, let's talk through some of this. Like, what went wrong?

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

And so I shared something and then he shared that and I was like, oh, interesting. Well, yeah. Okay.

[Amy]

So that's all. That's all he really said.

[Kat]

Well, I don't want to say everything that we said to each other, but that pertained to this story that you just brought up. So I thought, well, I'll say I was unattractive. You're a.

[Amy]

A fubber.

[Kat]

Well, I've fubbed a little here and there. It wasn't always okay. And I do think that sometimes my work was playing a role and it gets confusing because my work doesn't have normal hours.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

And he has an office he goes to, and when he's home from the office, he doesn't bring work home. I bring work home all the time. So there is a little bit of that going on. And then a little bit of I probably should have put my phone down. And yes, I do want to be attractive. So tell me more.

[Amy]

Okay, so in this article, it says Sojin Lee and colleagues, those are the people that did this article, investigated whether mobile phone use makes people less attractive, noting the prominence of phubbing in today's digital communication, including its negative impact on a variety of relationships. So in the article, I'm not going to go through it all, but basically they found that phubbing significantly reduces perceptions of warmth and competence, which in turn negatively affected perceptions of likability, social attractiveness and interactions and intention. Interaction intention. So your intentions when you're with somebody. So this is kind of one of those articles that I bet people could predict what the outcome was going to be. You, you know, but this is just information for us that it does affect. Like you. Us being on our phones does affect how people perceive us and how much people end up liking us because we don't seem in here, it's talking about being warm and inviting and you're obviously not it. My experience is when I feel like people are on their phone around me when we're supposed to be interacting is that they're like, have something better to do, you know, that they're uninterested or they've checked out. So obviously for me, that would not be attractive in a relationship. But they did also note that, like, there are times when it's appropriate to be on your phone and social. Even times in social interactions when it could be appropriate to be on your phone.

[Kat]

Right. So I'm not a total loser.

[Amy]

Yeah, we just gotta watch out when we're doing it. And as you were telling that story, I do think it's hard for you because I think you're pretty good at interacting with people on social media. I don't think I'm as good as that. I get overwhelmed by it. But you're.

[Kat]

So do I.

[Amy]

But you do it. I feel like, like. So there was one point in our feeling things Instagram that I was like going back. This was early when we made it and we had all these dms and I don't think I had answered really any of them. And I went and looked and I was like, you had answered so many of them. Oh, and you comment back to people all the time. Like, I just feel like you're very good at that. So that makes you unattractive. No, I'm gonna say that it, like, it highlights it. It's like a bonus over here. And it makes you. For the people online that are receiving that interaction, you do seem warm. And it's like, oh, she actually is a real person. She actually cares about me. But then I think the trade off is it's hard to find time to do that in your life because you have to do that when you're not physically at work.

[Kat]

Right.

[Amy]

You know?

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So I get the difficulty for you because it's not like the fubbing that you're doing is always just like scrolling.

[Kat]

Right, right. Yes. That's where it does get a little bit tricky. But I need to have more awareness of when I maybe am in a work mode and I'm doing that. Where am I? What is everybody else doing? And how's it going to appear to them that I'm on my phone? Like, do I need to carve out, like, hey, I'm going to go for a walk for 10 minutes with my phone so I can respond to these things or handle this that I need to handle online and then circle back and put my phone down.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Because I think if he were to go to his office and do something, I'm not going to think he's working in front of me and ignoring me.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

It's like, oh, you're at work. I got it. Well, sometimes I'm at work, too. I just happen to be at home.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Because when I get done recording at the studio, like, I leave, I don't stay there and there's still work to be done or there's show prep to be done. A lot of show prep I even find online.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

And I have that due every night at 7pm so sometimes at 6pm I'm doing that. I try to. Now I have a better routine and I try to get it all done before the kids get out of school. And so then I can shut it down. So. Yeah, that's good to know. You know, we had a good interaction the other night. I just randomly popped over to your house and I feel like we had a good. No phones around the dinner table.

[Amy]

Yeah. But we did use our phones later, but we were on it together.

[Kat]

Yes, that's true. We were looking at something online together and laughing. And I think that that is still using the phone, but when you're entertained together. Yeah. That's very different. That's not phubbing.

[Amy]

I will say when we, Patrick and I, when we're eating dinner, are very well, I'll say I'm better at it. We're good at, like, not being on our phones because dinner takes like 15 minutes for us to eat, you know, but when he does have his phone out, I'll be like, what are you doing? Who are you texting? Like, I call it out immediately because it is something that really bothers me.

[Kat]

We all three sat around the table and ate and nobody had their phone out.

[Amy]

Yeah. I don't think he probably Was on his best behavior. He's not that bad at it, but when he does do it, I'm like, you just got home from work. I need some time with you.

[Kat]

Yeah, well, I gotta say, those chicken nuggets y' all made were so good.

[Amy]

So Patrick was. We just made, like, bag salads and put some frozen chicken nuggets. They're from Costco. They're, like, called, like, lightly breaded or slightly breaded or barely breaded, Something along those lines. But they looked like chick fil a nuggets. That's why I bought them. He made. I had asked you if you had already eaten dinner. You said yes.

[Kat]

Yeah, but I said I still wanted to eat something.

[Amy]

You said treat, though, didn't you?

[Kat]

I said I could still eat.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

And like. Or, yes, I wanted a treat.

[Amy]

Okay, well, Patrick had already. He put chicken nuggets in the air fryer for just the two of us. And I swear he put, like, 25 chicken nuggets in there. So you had a whole meal basically waiting for you.

[Kat]

So I ended up eating the rest of the nuggets y' all didn't use. And they were so good. They tasted like chick fil a nuggets. Yeah, but they're from Costco.

[Amy]

Yeah. You can also get them at Publix. We've gotten them at Publix before. He. His excuse for making so many was

[Kat]

the bag is so big, so it throws them off.

[Amy]

Yes. I was like, but you can still count how many are on the pan.

[Kat]

Yeah, that's true. Well, they were delicious. And then you gave me a Reese's egg for dessert, which. The egg? The footballs, the eggs, the hearts.

[Amy]

When do I have a football?

[Kat]

I don't know. During football season.

[Amy]

I don't think they make a football.

[Kat]

Is that the egg? And I just feel like. Are you sure?

[Amy]

I don't think I never had a football, but I feel like a super bowl maybe.

[Kat]

Do they ever make a football? I think they have a Christmas tree, a Santa Claus. They have bells, a pumpkin.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Yeah, you're right. They maybe don't make a football, but whatever. You gave me egg, and it. It was so good. And then, yeah, we sat on the couch, and we're entertained by something that we saw on social media. And then also we talked about my vacation and how it's coming up and what I should do and where I should go. And then now you and I might take a little trip together, which will be so fun. So friends. Why? Why did I say it that way? Which would Be so fun and relaxing. Especially if we end up going to Canyon Ranch. Like we're thinking about, I don't know, tbd. But that reminds me that I saw your rich BFF post that you can buy someone else's vacation from them. Do you ever see your rich BFF stuff on Instagram?

[Amy]

Wait, this is different than the girl

[Kat]

that's really rich, Vivian. She's like I'm your rich bff. Like former Wall street girly girl.

[Amy]

Who, I don't know her.

[Kat]

Yeah, she's great.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

She has really good tips. But she put up this whole post about how when life happens to people, like a medical event, a loved one has passed away, sickness, people miss out on non refundable trips that they paid for. And there are sites that will connect those people who are trying to lighten that hit. Yeah, like lessen their losses by helping them sell their vacation to somebody else at a discounted rate.

[Amy]

What are these websites?

[Kat]

So it's a win win hack the sites. I pulled the three that she mentioned, planschange.com which is fitting. Transfer travel.com and rumertravel.com r o o m e r travel.com.

[Amy]

so this is more like a last minute type of thing too.

[Kat]

Yeah, like you could go to those sites and look for a trip that maybe you want to buy for a better deal. Or if something has come up and you need to sell a trip, you can go put your trip up there. So if you're in a bind or you need a great deal, I mean there were listings that had five star hotels. You just bid on the vacation that you want and if the seller accepts your offer, then you pay the platform for the vacation and then they transfer the reservation to your name.

[Amy]

Can we should do this?

[Kat]

Well, that's what I was thinking. But I don't know. If we end up going to Canyon Ranch, we wouldn't do this. But if there's something else we could like.

[Amy]

Because we're flexible, you know, I mean we're kind of flexible.

[Kat]

Kind of.

[Amy]

We're flexible on days, not the actual. Like we have a limited amount of days.

[Kat]

Yeah, but it doesn't have to be exact. You're right. I know, but anybody else, like maybe that would be helpful for you. Maybe, maybe not. And then also let's just bring back circling back to me popping over to your house and then us having that, you know, good conversation and you showing me your baby stroller and all the things like let's bring back randomly popping in on people, which I think now we Call it imposing.

[Amy]

Well, you planned that.

[Kat]

But this is what you not say in advance.

[Amy]

But this is funny. This is what, how we planned it. You texted me the day before.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So that was a Wednesday. I think I texted me, what time

[Kat]

do you go to bed?

[Amy]

You said, what time are you going to bed tomorrow? And I was like. I literally was like, what? I was like, I'll probably be in bed between 7:30 and 8. Why? And then you were like, well, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So. So that was a funny way of being like, I don't want to impose, but I do want to come over.

[Kat]

Yeah, but it wasn't like a well planned out, let's hang thing. It was like, I'm going to be right by your house at this time. I could have texted you the same day. Like even if it was same day or day before, I just wanted to pop in and be like, hey, but

[Amy]

also you came over at 6:30. So did you think I was going to be asleep at 6:30 30?

[Kat]

No. But I knew I'd be there till 8:30.

[Amy]

Okay. Which is I'm in bed. If you weren't there, I would have been in bed.

[Kat]

I'm normally in bed by then at my own house, but I couldn't be because I had to go pick my son up. So I knew I needed to kill time until about 8:30, which we did. Just that.

[Amy]

Isn't that crazy that we prefer to be. I mean, I prefer to be in the bed at 7 o' clock if, if I can make it happen. Did you ever think you were going to be somebody like that?

[Kat]

Well, I've always been. I mean, the last 20 years that I've been in morning radio, I go to bed early.

[Amy]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Kat]

Well, even when I was 25 and doing it now, I definitely would have nights where I stayed out way, way, way late because I was a lot younger and I could get away with it.

[Amy]

Did you ever never go to bed?

[Kat]

No. I mean, there were times where I had very little sleep, like maybe an hour, but I still went to bed. I never rolled in straight to work. But I used to go to this gas station by our radio station in Austin when we worked on KISS FM and it was on Congress. And I would get ready for work and then go into the gas station to buy a Red Bull. And I was in my 20s and the guy working would always be like, oh, late night. And I was like, actually, I'm on my way to work. Do I look like I'm coming home from the clubs? Because I'm on my way to work.

[Amy]

And also, why would you buy Red Bull if you're coming home? It's like you're on a bender.

[Kat]

Yeah, maybe he thought I was still going strong, but I would often stop for Red Bull or there was a 24 hour McDonald's on my way to work and I would go get a sausage biscuit with grape jelly. Wait, this with a Red Bull?

[Amy]

This makes me think of what I said the other day when I looked at you because you looked so cute and you had heels on. This was earlier this week. You had a cute outfit and I just looked at you and I said, isn't it crazy that you get dressed every single day to go to work? Like, you do your hair, you have some makeup on, but like you have a put together outfit on every day? Blows my mind. You were doing that probably back in these days too.

[Kat]

Well, no, back in these days there was no video. We had. We didn't even have the. There wasn't really social media either. So we'd actually wore our pajamas. But I would get dressed. I mean, sometimes if I was going into the gas station, I would maybe be dressed up, but maybe two out of the five days I would dress up. In the other days I would wear sweats.

[Amy]

Okay, that's kind of nice. Yeah, I was going to say, imagine having to get up like 2am to like do your hair.

[Kat]

And then when we. When we started evolving too, you know. Well, when we moved to Nashville, things evolved because everything was on video. And then we had artists coming in all the time. And so Bobby made a rule like everyone has to dress up.

[Amy]

So then you did do it. You have been doing it like.

[Kat]

Yeah, because I've been here for a very long time. But I'm back in these days, Red Bull days. I was dressing up sometimes. Okay, McDonald's, sometimes pajamas, sometimes.

[Amy]

So it's just normal for you to like put a out and you have.

[Kat]

Kat, you have a career.

[Amy]

Okay, but fun fact, I usually wear the. So I only go into the office three days a week. I usually wear the same outfit at least two of those days because I see different people. Nobody is seeing me the same on the same day. Or if I see you on Tuesday, you're not seeing me again on Thursday. So I only have to really come up with two outfits a week. You have to come up with five.

[Kat]

Right.

[Amy]

And I know people that are listening are probably like, this is normal life, Catherine. But I think because I don't. It's so hard for me to Even come up with a cute outfit. I'm just like, you're a mastermind.

[Kat]

Wow. I know. You were like, gosh, this is weird, but Shannon was here. And Shannon works four days a week here.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

And she sort of was, like, feeling the same way as you were. She's like, I know. When I see Amy leave for work or come home from work, I'm like, you're so dressed up. Because she can come in her workout clothes or whatever. Yeah. It doesn't matter.

[Amy]

Imagine if that would be wild if Shannon dressed up every single day.

[Kat]

Yeah. I think a lot of people do that, though it depends on how they were raised. Because I had roommates in college that would get dressed for every single day to go to class, and I wore a T shirt and shorts, and I barely got ready. And I was rolling out of the bed and going to class, and they would do their hair, their makeup, jeans, a belt, a cute top. Like they had the whole thing.

[Amy]

Well, somebody told me, I don't know if this is a Gen Z thing, but somebody told me that specifically at Vanderbilt undergrad students dress up to go to class. Now, like, they wear an outfit. Versus, like, I was like you. I wore we. The uniform in college when I was going to college was Nike. Oversized Nike shorts, Nike running shorts and a big oversized T shirt. Or like, oversized sweatpants and an oversized T shirt. You wore that to class. If you dressed up, if you had an outfit on in class, it meant that you had a presentation. But now that's what kids do again.

[Kat]

So I do think that there is something to getting ready. I wish I had gotten ready more, maybe, because I would have performed at a different level. Don't you think there's like a brain thing? Like, when you're dressed, you perform better, you have more confidence. Maybe you learn better.

[Amy]

Maybe if you like your outfit. Because if you don't and you feel uncomfortable.

[Kat]

True.

[Amy]

So I think it's more about, like, comfort and feeling like you're dressed like yourself.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

But when you were saying, like, I wish I. You do it.

[Kat]

So now I'm talking about in college, I didn't. Yeah, maybe. Who knows? Maybe it would have been a completely different student if I had dressed up.

[Amy]

We can't go there, because then maybe you wouldn't be where you are today.

[Kat]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah, you're right.

[Amy]

You could be like.

[Kat]

Could have been far more success.

[Amy]

A freaking astronaut or something, and we don't want that.

[Kat]

Do you have any desire to go to space at all?

[Amy]

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[Kat]

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[Amy]

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[Amy]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections.

[Kat]

And it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo.

[Amy]

Is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story

[Bowen Yang]

if I don't go through it.

[Amy]

But there's places in this book that. That deeply, emotionally affected me. And I left it on the mic.

[Bowen Yang]

That's great because it served the story.

[Amy]

People will say like, oh, my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Amy]

My name is Jessa. One of the things I love the most about working for UnitedHealthcare is that everybody matters. Every moment matters. There's a person behind every problem. I care because it's what I was put on this earth to do. I'm Ben, and I work at UnitedHealthcare. I am just one piece of a

[Bowen Yang]

larger puzzle, but every piece matters. It's more than just work.

[Kat]

We wanna make the healthcare system better for everyone.

[Amy]

I care because I want to make a difference.

[Bowen Yang]

That's what committed to care means to me.

[Kat]

Do you have any desire to go to space at all?

[Amy]

No.

[Kat]

Okay, yeah, me neither. I don't get it. So talk to people that do, because it came up in a conversation the other day, and space travel already is more possible than it ever has been for us. But, like, in the next decade or next 20 years, who knows how many people are going to be, you know.

[Amy]

But you do.

[Kat]

Taking a little vacay to space.

[Amy]

Okay, so do you mean, like, a vacation? Or do you mean, like, I want to go be an astronaut, like the ones that just went to the moon? Or do you mean like, the Katy Perry thing where they wasted billions of dollars and just, like, went up and came back down?

[Kat]

I mean, Katy Perry thing. Either way, just go. A chance to go up to space. Sort of.

[Amy]

Like, I don't think that's worth Katie, period. So my feelings on that is one, that sounds terrifying. What if some. That's too risky. Way too risky. Like, I don't want to be one of the guinea pigs. But two, that's not worth all of the effort and money. Like, what is that for? Just so you feel no gravity for 10 seconds?

[Kat]

Well, no, you get to see the world. You leave the world to see the world.

[Amy]

I'll just look at a picture.

[Kat]

Yeah, I don't know how far you have to go to actually see that, though. Like, what did Katy Perry and them see, like, when they got there? And why is it just the Katy Perry trip? Like, wasn't Hoda on there?

[Amy]

Yeah, But I think of Katy Perry, because she got all that bad press for it because she was, you know, being herself was Hoda. Yeah, it was Hoda. And it was another female, I think, scientist.

[Kat]

Or Jeff Bezos's wife.

[Amy]

Yes. What's her name?

[Kat]

I don't know.

[Amy]

So, yeah, I don't have a desire to do that, but I also don't have a desire to be, like, an astronaut that does. Like, the people that just went to space.

[Kat]

No, no, I don't want to do that. I'm saying, like, as a normal. You're not going to space as an astronaut. Let's say in the next 10 to 20 years, there's more trips to space happening. Sort of like you would go scuba diving, you know, like, you take that as an activity on your trip. You go up and then you come back down. Would you want to do that?

[Amy]

It's like an excursion on your vacation. Like, instead of going ziplining, you can go to space.

[Kat]

Would you like to go up to space and then go back down?

[Amy]

Because also, that reminds me of the submersive stuff that happened a couple years ago.

[Kat]

The people that went down to see the Titanic.

[Amy]

Yeah. It's like, it's. That's not worth it, right?

[Kat]

I wouldn't want to do that.

[Amy]

I'm so risk adverse when it comes to safety stuff that. Like, I don't want to go bungee jumping. I don't want to go skydiving. I don't want to do any. The thrill of that is not fun for me.

[Kat]

Me, same. Yeah, I guess I'm not that adventurous.

[Amy]

You're adventurous in other ways.

[Kat]

Like what?

[Amy]

With your style.

[Kat]

Like what? What do I do with my style? How am I adventurous?

[Amy]

You wore that outfit that. With all the holes in it.

[Kat]

What?

[Amy]

That white outfit. I feel like that was adventurous.

[Kat]

Isn't that like a pattern? It's not holes. It's a pattern. It has a name. I don't know the name of the pattern, but, you know, there's like, Eyelet. Is it Eyelet?

[Amy]

Yeah, but that was not Eyelet.

[Kat]

Are you sure?

[Amy]

Why?

[Kat]

Because I feel like when I bought it, that's what it's. It was either that for some reason, I was thinking a doily, you know, doilies.

[Amy]

I thought it was. I only saw it from far, like, pictures, but I thought it was just like a bunch of rips.

[Kat]

No, it's like cut out. Almost like floor floral leaves that are cut out. Like a pattern.

[Amy]

Oh. It still was adventurous to me. Okay, okay.

[Kat]

You're so adventurous. What else Do I do. I'm adding frozen peas to everything. I'm so adventurous. Which we have an update.

[Amy]

Yeah. And that could be safety adventurous.

[Kat]

Yeah. Well, I have an update for my household because I told you I've been throwing it just about an every dang thing to stretch food out because my son eats so much. And I put it in ritoni. You know, the swirly pasta. I made that with some ground beef and pasta sauce. And then I added some green peas. And he was like, mom, I don't think the peas go with this. And I was like, I'll just eat around them.

[Amy]

But I. I think it's the purpose.

[Kat]

And I thought they were good.

[Amy]

Maybe there's too many.

[Kat]

No, I don't even know that I added that many. But he's like, just something about the peas don't go with this. But he likes the peas. Like, I've done it in ground beef with rice and like a coconut aminos or something.

[Amy]

Well, ground that. Actually, to me, it does kind of go with it because. Have you ever had a Italian rice ball? So it's literally just a ball of fried rice. It's like a white rice and you bread it and you fry it, but when you open it, like, the traditional rice ball has ground meat and tomato sauce with peas.

[Kat]

Oh, okay.

[Amy]

And that was like one of our favorite things our grandma would make us growing up.

[Kat]

Wow. Stevenson was not having the rottoni with the marinara sauce and the ground beef with the peas. He said not his favorite. But we did get a voicemail about peas, which this is what you were referring to of you gotta be careful. A PSA for your health. I had no idea. So we got this message from Ashley calling from Georgia.

[Ashley]

Hey, Amy and Kat, My name is Ashley. I'm calling from Georgia. I know the note about wanting to know my age, so I am 30, but I was listening to the podcast episode about the peas. And Amy, I just feel like I need to get this psa because when I found out this little tidbit, I was shook. So my job is actually in food safety education. And for years I have been making seven layer salad, which in the south is a cold salad with like mayonnaise and layered veggies of your choice and whatnot. But you use frozen peas. Well, when you put the seven layer salad in the refrigerator, it's supposed to just thaw the peas overnight, and then they're perfect and crunchy and all the things in the salad when you eat it the next day, however, evidently that is a big Food safety. No, no. So make sure that you are cooking your frozen peas and not just throwing them on a salad or anything else for the extra crunch because they are not prepared in a way from the field before. Well, I say from the field. They're not prepared in a way. They're not blanched or they haven't had anything done to them to make them safe to eat straight out of the bag frozen. So you actually have to cook them in order for them to be so it does say that on the package. But anyways, just a little psa. Thank you girls both for your positive energy and just the fun that you bring to my car rides every single day. I hope you both have the day you need to have.

[Kat]

All right, well, thank you, Ashley for that. And she knows what she's talking about because her job is food safety education. She said so. And thank you for sharing. Your age 30 shout out. Yeah, thanks for listening. We also got a voicemail from a seventh grader. We're not going to play it, but

[Amy]

do you think that their mom listens to us?

[Kat]

The seventh grader?

[Amy]

Yeah. Or do you think that she's in a listener?

[Kat]

I don't know. But she called and left us a voicemail and she shared some of her feelings and I was like, okay, yeah, we've got a seventh grader listening. We've got 30. The reason that's the one. If you're new to us and you're like, why are they asking? Age is we're trying to figure out the range of people listening to us

[Amy]

and it makes no sense.

[Kat]

We've got seventh grade to 75, so

[Amy]

we haven't got any like 20 year olds. So I think that we're not Gen Z.

[Kat]

That tracks. That tracks.

[Amy]

Come on.

[Kat]

We're hip and cool. We're cool.

[Amy]

Also, I did find it interesting that in that voicemail she said that it does say that on the package. But like, I guess we aren't. I have never read the package.

[Kat]

What a P package says I just kind of throw it in.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

You know you were talking about popping frozen mango chunks into your mouth. Yeah. So we could not do that with the peas.

[Amy]

You can't eat a frozen. You could cook them, then refreeze them and then eat them. But I just think that's interesting that I would have assumed these peas were like pre cooked, but they're just like raw frozen peas. But also I eat raw vegetables. So like, wait a second. Why can you eat a raw carrot but you can't eat a raw pea?

[Kat]

I Don't know.

[Amy]

You can eat a raw snap pea, but you can't eat a raw pea.

[Kat]

Right.

[Amy]

I'm confused.

[Kat]

Well, Ashley's gonna have to clarify about that for us.

[Amy]

Yeah, let us know.

[Kat]

Or we could google it. I'm really not sure. She said it is a big food safety. No, no is what she said.

[Amy]

Huh. So I'm perplexed here.

[Kat]

Me too. You know, with ground beef, speaking of. Well, that's what I often add the piece to.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

You know what I'm gonna say?

[Amy]

I do. Because it's really interesting.

[Kat]

My nephew is a meat scientist. He married my niece, so he, I guess my nephew in law. But he says you should always eat a hamburger well done. Well done. I mean, think about it. You would never make ground beef with rice and not cook the beef all the way through.

[Amy]

Well, I would never eat a hamburger that's not well done.

[Kat]

I know that. So many people want it. And when you're ordering a burger, they're like, how do you want it? Yeah, medium, medium well. And some of some people like to see it pink on the inside. He says you can do it that with a steak, no problem. And in fact, that's how he recommends a steak. However, with ground beef, you have all the parts of the cow ground up together and there's bacteria in there. So you want to cook it all the way through. When it comes to ground beef.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

So he will never eat a burger anything less than well done.

[Amy]

Yeah. I think that's a fun fact that more people should know about.

[Kat]

I know, but people will argue it. And I'm like, why are you arguing with a meat scientist? Like, this is literally what he does. He went to Texas A and M and now I think he's a professor there in like meat.

[Amy]

So what classes does he teach?

[Kat]

Meat, probably meat science.

[Amy]

Okay. But here's the other thing that I, that I can see why people would argue that is that people do it all the time and, and they're seemingly fine, you know.

[Kat]

Yeah. But he's saying to. In his. There's also a lot of people that are not fine and you just don't.

[Amy]

You just don't hear about it.

[Kat]

And he. It's not worth the risk to him.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

I mean, if you want to roll the dice for a few bites that are, I mean, well done. Burger tastes great to me, but.

[Amy]

Yeah, me too. But this is making me think of when we went to Italy. I watched a bunch of episodes. I don't know what the show is called, but it's Stanley Tucci. That's how you say his name, right? He has this show on the Food Network or something. I don't know. But he goes to different cities in Italy and then he'll like, eat their local cuisine. What? Or whatever. I think he was in Florence or Tuscany and their. One of their big meals is the steak kind of steak. He went to a guy to cook him food. The guy went to a butcher, came back, had this raw fillet of meat. They just cut a piece off of the raw meat, popped it in there.

[Kat]

That's tartar. Steak tartar. My dad would do that. I know.

[Amy]

I. I think I had to turn it off. It was a big hunk of meat. It wasn't like tartar. I feel like I would never eat that either. But that's like little chopped up chunks, isn't it?

[Kat]

Oh, I don't know. I feel like.

[Amy]

And there's no seasoning on it. They just popped it in there. But they were saying, like, this meat is such high quality that it's fine. But I'm like, they're what? Don't you need to get, like, a little hot? So there's. The bacteria is gone.

[Kat]

Yeah. Like, sear it at least a little bit.

[Amy]

Wash it in some way. I don't know.

[Kat]

Making the perfect steak tartare at home requires high quality, ultra lean chunk of steak, beef tenderloin, filet mignon, or a trim top sirloin. And then, yeah, they chop it up and make it look like it's this little ground beef plate. Like, it looks like a little patty to me. But yeah, I guess when I would watch my dad make steak tartare, he would cut a piece of the filet and just pop it in his mouth. Oh, I know. So that's. That's not that. I mean, I didn't ever do it, but it's not that weird to me because I would see my dad do it.

[Amy]

I was shocked. The guy. When we did go to Italy, we did a cooking class and he. One of the things. Because it was in Tuscany, he. We had steak and he asked us, like, how do we like our steak? And I said, well done. And he asked, like, why are you. Why don't you like the red meat? Like, is it because of the blood? Is it because of. It's just like a mind thing. Like, why don't you like it? And I said, it's just a mind thing. It grosses me out. But also, I don't like seeing, like, the oozing blood. He told us that's not blood.

[Kat]

What is it?

[Amy]

I don't know, but he said it's not. They, like, take all the blood out of it. Like, there's no blood in that meat. But what he did is he was like, okay, I'm gonna trick you. So we ate in, like, a dark room, but he just, like, seared it and I couldn't see that it was red. And so I was able to eat it. And it did taste good, but, I mean, I would have to eat in a dark room every time I ate a not well done steak.

[Kat]

All right, so the liquid found in steak or at the bottom of its packaging is not blood. It is a combination of water and a protein called myoglobin.

[Amy]

So there you have it. So if that's. If that is the reason it freaks you out, then, like, maybe that information will help you and you'll be able to eat steak a different way. But I also, like, don't mind steak when it's medium well. Like, I don't want it to be burnt, but I like a chewy steak.

[Kat]

Yeah, I don't ever eat steak, so it doesn't matter. Like, I've never. I don't order steak.

[Amy]

If you go to a steakhouse, what do you get?

[Kat]

No, not steak. I get chicken, fish sides, Mac and cheese.

[Amy]

You went on a date and they made. He made you steak. So did you just not want to say, I don't like steak.

[Kat]

It was terrible.

[Amy]

I know, but, like, when he was like, I want to make you a steak. What were you thinking?

[Kat]

I said, okay, yeah, it's fine. And then we also had Mac and cheese and we had the sides.

[Amy]

Well, that's probably all you had.

[Kat]

Like, it was like a hockey puck.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Because I did say I wanted it well done. And he's like, whoopsie left up on a little too long. And, you know, he's definitely said it that way. Whoopsie left it on a little too long. And my steak eating, though, is from the reason why I don't like steak or have an affinity. I might enjoy it, but in my childhood, I was scarred by it because my dad would make it a lot. And I had an underbite, and I couldn't chew it because of my underbite. So I look like a little bulldog. And it would take me so long to chew, I would end up just spitting it out in a napkin and then throwing it away. But I didn't want to offend anybody. So my parents realized that's how they realized I needed to go to the dentist to Get a retainer for my underbite. And then I got fixed, but by that time, I'm already annoyed by steak because I know it's a very annoying process to eat, even though now I could probably chew it just fine.

[Amy]

Yeah. Maybe we need to do some exposure therapy here.

[Kat]

Pressure therapy.

[Amy]

Take you to a steakhouse.

[Kat]

I mean, you know, try to chew with your bottom teeth sticking out further than your tongue. It's not very easy, but it wasn't obvious. Obvious?

[Amy]

I was gonna say they couldn't see your underbite.

[Kat]

It was a slight underbite, but it made chewing meat like that, like a piece of steak, difficult. And once I got my retainer, it moved some things around, so it was fine.

[Amy]

But you didn't have to have braces.

[Kat]

No, but I didn't have a retainer. And one time at Chuck E. Cheese, it got thrown away. And my grandma.

[Amy]

No.

[Kat]

Got in the dumpster at Chuck E. Cheese and she found my retainer.

[Amy]

Wow.

[Kat]

Because I was visiting her in Alabama and she. What were we gonna do? I'm not home.

[Amy]

Get a new one.

[Kat]

Well, I know, but I wasn't home. And then I would be without my retainer, and she knew retainers were expensive, so she's like, not on my watch. So she got in the dumpster and she found my retainer.

[Amy]

That's like finding a needle in a haystack.

[Kat]

I know.

[Amy]

I threw out my bottom retainer in college accidentally, and it just. I've never had one since, so.

[Kat]

Good for you. One time my night guard got thrown away here at my house, and I dug through my trash and I found it.

[Amy]

Your trash is different than extra Chuck E. Cheese.

[Kat]

I know, but I was really glad that I found it because it's like a clear little thing. Yeah. But I had. My dentist made it, and it's expensive, and I was like, I'm digging through the trash and I'm finding it.

[Amy]

And then you did some really hefty sterilization.

[Kat]

Yes, of course.

[Amy]

But of course.

[Kat]

Okay. Well, there you have it. So many things we talked about. So many things. I'm sure we have. That's why we. We have a wide variety of topics for our wide range of.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Age.

[Amy]

We're coming for you 20 year olds. That sounds bad.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Okay. Take it back.

[Kat]

Okay. We hope wherever you are, you have

[Amy]

the day you need to have.

[Kat]

Bye.

[Amy]

Bye.

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