FEELING THINGS: Pregnant, Turning 45 & Why Brick Mailboxes Mean You're Rich

Summary

Podcast Summary: FEELING THINGS: Pregnant, Turning 45 & Why Brick Mailboxes Mean You're Rich

Podcast: The Bobby Bones Show – Feeling Things with Amy & Kat (Premiere Networks)
Air Date: March 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt and often humorous episode of Feeling Things, co-hosts Amy and Kat celebrate personal milestones—Amy’s 45th birthday and Kat’s long-anticipated pregnancy—while reflecting on the emotional complexity surrounding these life changes. The conversation weaves in themes of aging, IVF journeys, creative rebirth, and quirky childhood perceptions of wealth (hint: brick mailboxes). The show is honest, supportive, and rich with both vulnerable moments and laughs, making it relatable for anyone experiencing change, hope, or nostalgia.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. St. Patrick’s Day, Fun Facts & Milestones

• The hosts open in a lighthearted tone, discussing St. Patrick’s Day traditions, the shift from blue to green, and green beers.
• Amy shares a memorable moment from her 21st birthday:

  “My birthday is the 18th. So when the clock switched to midnight, I was officially 21, and I could buy my first alcoholic beverage, which was...a green beer.” (04:23)

2. Turning 45—Feelings About Aging & Numerology

• Amy reflects on turning 45, joking about “the year of the nine,” and wondering about spiritual meaning.
• Shannon (in the studio) looks up the symbolic meaning of turning 45 in numerology:

  “Turning 45 is often viewed as the eye of the storm...the emotional chaos of youth is behind and the physical realities of later aging have not yet fully set in.” (13:02)

• Amy is feeling proactive, stretching regularly, reading more, and focusing on health:

  “I feel like my gut health, my brain health, my ligament health. We're feeling good, you know?” (06:44)

• The “year of the Fire Horse” and creative momentum is discussed by Amy, noting increased boldness and willingness to chase opportunities:

  “I have been making some bold moves...maybe it's just the wisdom of, you know, almost being 45 now.” (19:13) “Big things popping and happening. That’s my... interpretation.” (15:02)

3. Kat’s Pregnancy Announcement & IVF Journey

• Kat reveals she’s pregnant, expressing excitement mixed with nervousness:

  “I'm feeling really tired, but really excited because I'm pregnant.” (07:07)

• The pregnancy is the result of IVF, and Kat goes into detail about the physical and emotional toll:

  “I had to take progesterone shots in my booty every single night. And those, like, put you to sleep.” (09:09)

• The emotional experience of sharing good pregnancy news after fertility challenges is explored:

  “It's almost survivor's guilt...so happy. And also it's like...I want to give a piece of this to everybody.” (29:00)

4. Infertility, Grief, and Creative Paths to Family

• Sensitive attention is paid to listeners going through fertility struggles:

  “I don't want the pregnancy announcement to go without also acknowledging that, like, hearing that for some people could be very hard.” (26:30)

• Amy shares her experience, ultimately adopting after fertility trials; she reflects on life’s unpredictable paths:

  “If you have a desire to be a mom or dad, it just may look a little different than how you thought.” (31:57)

• Kat shares advice from her therapist:

  “Just because you aren't getting what you want, it doesn't mean you get nothing.” (32:13)

5. On the Importance of Reading (in Any Form)

• The hosts talk about the creative and mental health benefits of reading—however one prefers:

  “If you consume books through audio or reading...you're still exercising your brain in a way that is creative and opening up certain parts that you don't get to always use.” (26:15)

6. Childhood Symbols of Wealth: Brick Mailboxes

• Kat reminisces about how brick mailboxes symbolized wealth in her childhood:

  “If you have a brick mailbox, you are rich.” (44:09)

• Amy relates, mentioning her family’s brick mailbox and a pool, but notes that appearances don’t always match reality:

  “Except behind the scenes, we were not [rich].” (44:54)

• Both share kid logic around class: houses on the golf course, pools, lawn services, and the complexities of maintaining appearances during family financial changes.
• Amy gets vulnerable about “keeping up” as a kid and the small lies she told to fit in:

  "I remember too, my mom trying to cut costs...our yard would kind of get out of control.” (51:05)

7. Community Support, Grief, and Growing Up

• Amy discusses the important role of her church community, youth group, and her mom’s sacrifices after her father left:

  “Our church, we had a really good church community. And they were very great about taking care of my mom.” (51:55)

8. Adult Friendships & Sleepovers

• “Questions that don’t come up” tangent leads to planning an all-girls’ adult sleepover, inspired by new research:

  “When people feel safe and comfortable enough to stay overnight, they are often more willing to be emotionally vulnerable...what feels like a teenage ritual is actually emotional regulation.” (56:11)

• Requirements for the adult sleepover: good food, movies, games, and mocktails (since Kat is pregnant).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Pregnancy & IVF

• Kat: “Your baby will descend from you and your Italian lineage. And then I was like, ooh, it’s like you’re cooking a little lasagna... But really, it’s... the size of a lime.” (07:50)
• Amy: “Well, I love checking in with you to see what fruit you are.” (11:54)

On Creative Energy at 45

• Amy: “Research suggests that ages 45 to 55 often represent a peak period for experimental creativity, which relies on experience, knowledge, and refined skills...” (21:16)
• Kat: “Maybe you care less about what people think...so creativity can come out easier.” (19:45)

On Childhood Class Markers

• Kat: “I was like, okay, if you have a brick mailbox, you are rich...” (44:09)
• Amy: “We lived in a neighborhood that had money... but behind the scenes, we were not.” (44:54)
• Amy (reflecting on young self): “You, sweet nine year old, who just was, like, trying to feel like, okay and, like, cool enough or good enough...” (50:43)

On Infertility & Hope

• Amy: “Switch the why to what...what is now possible from this?” (29:27)
• Kat (therapist quote): “Just because you aren’t getting what you want, it doesn’t mean you get nothing.” (32:13)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• St. Patrick’s Day & Turning 45: 03:01–07:07
• Pregnancy Reveal & IVF: 07:07–13:02
• Numerology & Life Changes at 45: 13:02–21:16
• Reflecting on Creativity & Boldness: 19:13–21:19
• Infertility, Adoption, and Acceptance: 26:30–33:12
• Childhood: Brick Mailboxes & Wealth: 44:09–55:10
• Adult Slumber Parties & Emotional Bonds: 55:13–57:17

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a moving blend of joy, vulnerability, empathy, nostalgia, and encouragement. Amy and Kat openly share their hearts about aging, family-building, and the little things that shaped them (brick mailboxes included). There’s a sincere invitation for listeners to pursue boldness, stay open to life’s winding paths, acknowledge their feelings—whatever season they’re in—and nurture meaningful connections, whether through deep late-night chats or a grown-up sleepover.

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For more uplifting, real talk—follow Amy and Kat on The Bobby Bones Show's Feeling Things podcast.

Transcript

[Kat]

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[Amy]

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[Kat]

This is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat.

[Amy]

Happy Tuesday. Welcome to Feeling Things. I'm Amy.

[Kat]

And I'm Kat.

[Amy]

Happy Saint Patrick's Day.

[Kat]

Happy Saint Patrick's Day. You're wearing green.

[Amy]

I am so good. And you're wearing black, so technically I could pinch you. But you do have a green water bottle.

[Kat]

But did you know I came in hot? I have some St. Patrick's Day facts. Do you know originally the color was not green?

[Amy]

What was it?

[Kat]

It was blue.

[Amy]

Why? I thought it because of the clover. And the clover's green.

[Kat]

They changed it because of the clover.

[Amy]

Oh.

[Kat]

But also, as I, like, realized it was St. Patrick's Day, I wonder to myself, what is St. Patrick's Day?

[Amy]

What is it? You know, I don't.

[Kat]

Which is. It's kind of crazy that we're, like, having St. Patrick's Day, but none of us know it. I think most people don't know what it's for. It celebrates St Patrick bringing Christianity to Ireland. But you know what's even more crazy? I mean, that's not that crazy.

[Amy]

I guess I have heard that. It's just so interesting that if that's the origin, why do you say it the way lots of beer? Yeah. Because the Irish, they drink.

[Kat]

Maybe that is.

[Amy]

And it's like green beer because everything's green.

[Kat]

But also, I found out that the first St. Patrick's Day wasn't even. Or like the parade wasn't even in Ireland. It's celebrated more, I think, in America than in Ireland.

[Amy]

Oh. I mean, that makes sense. We love to have an excuse. Do something. Yeah.

[Kat]

So happy St. Patrick's Day.

[Amy]

Happy St. Patrick's Day. I remember when I turned 21, I went to a bar in College Station. They served green beer, and that's the first drink I was legally allowed to buy because we were there at midnight. So we went on the 17th. And my birthday is the 18th. So when the clock switched to midnight, I was officially 21, and I could buy my first alcoholic beverage, which was. Which was a green beer.

[Kat]

Did you enjoy it?

[Amy]

I mean, it was fine.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

I'd had beer before.

[Kat]

No, there's no way that you would have done that.

[Amy]

Yeah. No, but that's. Yeah. So.

[Kat]

Well, happy almost birthday.

[Amy]

Thank you.

[Kat]

How are you feeling? I feel good.

[Amy]

Turning 45. Four plus five is nine, so I have no idea. I don't know. Just kidding. I don't even know if that's how you do it, but I feel like if Cryo Cat was here, she's not today, but she would have some. Oh, this is your year of the. I'm guessing. Maybe if you do split the four and the five and add four plus five, does. Does it mean it's my year of the nine? I don't know.

[Kat]

And, like, what does the nine actually mean?

[Amy]

I have no idea.

[Kat]

Do you feel. I know you're not there yet, but does this feel like any kind of milestone or does this feel like a birthday?

[Amy]

I guess I didn't really have a feeling of the day for the episode, so I guess I will say I am feeling older because my birthday is tomorrow, but I'm not feeling old.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

So maybe that's because I've been so proactive lately. Like, I stretch now.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

I actually physically pay somebody to stretch me. That's a small detail that also feels old. It's an old activity.

[Kat]

We're gonna reframe this because stretch labs are popping up everywhere, so they must

[Amy]

be hip and cool, obviously. Yeah. And when I walk in, there are so many hip and young people in there getting stretched.

[Kat]

I bet athletes and stuff go there.

[Amy]

I haven't seen any. I've just seen older men. I haven't seen any yet.

[Kat]

Okay. Well, yeah, I don't know. You just started this.

[Amy]

I'm really not feeling. I feel good, though. I'm not feeling old. Like, I think there have been birthdays in the past where I felt older than I do now, and I don't know what to attribute it to. Maybe because this is the year of reading for me, and I've been reading way more.

[Kat]

You would think that that would make you feel a little old.

[Amy]

No, I think it's exercising my brain. Oh. Like, I'm on a good probiotic. I just feel like my gut health, my brain health, my ligament health. We're feeling good, you know?

[Kat]

Oh, good.

[Amy]

So, yeah, good. The big four or five. So that's my feeling of the day. What's yours?

[Kat]

Well, I'm feeling really tired, but really excited because I'm pregnant.

[Amy]

Kitty Cat's pregnant.

[Kat]

I'm so nervous when I tell people.

[Amy]

Okay, well, I knew that that was going to be your feeling of the day, so I was, like, eagerly waiting and smiling, like, trying to be like, okay, let's get to it. I was like, let's.

[Kat]

St. Patrick's Day.

[Amy]

I know I'm going to be like. And speaking of birthdays, Cat is going to be birthing a baby.

[Kat]

Do you want to share what you wanted to say?

[Amy]

Oh, yeah. Your baby's going to be of Italian descent.

[Kat]

I thought you were saying, like, your baby's going to descend from you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Amy]

Your baby will descend from you and your Italian lineage. And then I was like, ooh, it's like you're cooking a little lasagna and you're in your little. You got a little lasagna in the oven. But really, it's not the size of a lasagna. We It. The baby is the size of a lime. A lime.

[Kat]

A lime. A little.

[Amy]

So Kat told me a couple of weeks ago, or maybe I told you

[Kat]

when I was seven weeks pregnant.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

I had. I told Patrick. I was like, I've got to tell Amy because it is really hard for me to, like, talk to you, but not tell you what's. Like, I was so tired, like, another level, and it was just, like, eating. I was like, I can't keep. It feels like I'm lying to her. I have to tell her I'm tired. Or, like, you were gonna figure it out anyway.

[Amy]

Yeah, well, I kind of thought because. Well. Are you talking about the other stuff you do?

[Kat]

Well, yeah. Okay. Well, no, but I was just tired in general. I don't think you would figure that out.

[Amy]

I thought you were tired because of that stuff. You had other stuff.

[Kat]

Say what that is.

[Amy]

Okay. Say. Okay. I've been like, I do drugs. I was, like, doing, like, an injection into my butt because Kat was doing fertility treatment type stuff, and I knew from the shots you were tired.

[Kat]

Yes. So I did ivf. So I had to take progesterone shots in my booty every single night. And those, like, put you to sleep. So that was a good excuse because people knew I was doing that because I. It impacted, like, my social life. Like, I couldn't go out past a certain time because I had to go home and do my shot. But for you, I knew you would. You wouldn't pick up on that because. Well, I assumed you when I guess you could have googled it. You didn't know. Like, you hadn't haven't done that, so you wouldn't have known. Like, what that means that I'm doing those shots. Yeah, but, like, other people, like my sister, if she knew I was doing the shot, she knew where I was in the process.

[Amy]

Right.

[Kat]

You know?

[Amy]

Yeah. So you came over to my house with Patrick, and you gave me a T shirt that says auntie.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And it's so cute. And that's how you told. Well, at first I opened it up. You were like, hey, Patrick, and I just want to drop something off real quick. I was like, okay. And so then I didn't know. Okay. I absolutely did not know. I thought you were giving me something because what hap. What was going on with me during that time? I was. I thought you were just trying to.

[Kat]

You were having a hard time.

[Amy]

Yeah. And I thought you were trying to make me happy.

[Kat]

Shoot.

[Amy]

I thought you were just bringing. No, no, no, no, no. Like, it didn't have you to know, but I thought you were like, oh, I want to bring you this because. Oh, you. That's what you said.

[Kat]

You said it reminded me of you.

[Amy]

You said, I saw something that reminded me of you, which I guess the shirt did. But you acted like maybe you're out and about, and you saw something, and you were like, oh, this. I'm gonna get this for Amy. So then you acted like you had to drop it off, which you did. And then I opened it up, and it was a shirt that says Auntie with a little bow, and it's so cute. I was like, okay.

[Kat]

And I said, do you know what that means? And you're like, yes.

[Amy]

Yes.

[Kat]

It's like you're a little kid. Do you know what that means?

[Amy]

I understood what it meant. But anytime I think of Auntie, I think of the Auntie Anne's pretzel that I had in the Denver Airport at

[Kat]

Terminal D. But you did bring that up.

[Amy]

Oh, really? No, it's like, anytime, because there's a

[Kat]

bow, and the bow kind of looked like a pretzel, too.

[Amy]

Yes. And. And I think that that pretzel was so life changing.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

That was in December that I ate that pretzel. And now anytime the word anti is mentioned, I think of that pretzel.

[Kat]

Yeah. Take me back.

[Amy]

It was so delicious. So Cat's pregnant.

[Kat]

Yeah. It's been a long process. I don't know why I feel so. Like, every time I've told somebody, I get so, so nervous, but I don't know why. Because it's good news.

[Amy]

It's exciting.

[Kat]

Maybe. I don't. I wouldn't say. I'm usually somebody who doesn't like a lot of attention on me, but I think I am learning as I get older. I'm okay having attention on me, but I don't want it to be about me, if that makes sense. Like, I'll tell a story or whatever, but I would rather tell a story about you, you know?

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Maybe that could be wrong.

[Amy]

Well, I love checking in with you to see what fruit you are. Like, it's like, I'll ask you, what fruit are you today? And you're like, it's a blueberry. And then it's been other things, like a golf. It hasn't always a fruit, because sometimes it was a golf ball, but then now it's a lime.

[Kat]

It's always a fruit. There's the. The app I have. You can look at it in, like, different categories. Like, a fruit. That. One of them's Disney. It's like, Disney objects, sports.

[Amy]

That's weird.

[Kat]

It's really weird. But some of the fruits sometimes are hard. Like, when I was a strawberry, I was like, well, that's hard to understand because strawberries come in different sizes. So then I used the golf ball as my.

[Amy]

That size. That's a big strawberry.

[Kat]

It's a big strawberry. That's what I'm saying. So. But, yeah, I like to use the fruits.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Mostly.

[Amy]

Got it. Shannon looked up what turning 45 means, I guess, in the spiritual realm, or what would we even call it? Or numerology. I don't know which. I don't even know that I believe any of this, but it's just fun.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Turning 45 is often viewed as the eye of the storm. The eye of the storm signifies a transition where the emotional chaos of youth is behind and the physical realities of later aging have not yet fully set in. It's a period of quiet, allowing for deep reflection. Spiritually, the number 45 can symbolize a need for balance between stability, the flow four, and freedom and adventure, the five, encouraging a transformation of one's life.

[Kat]

Who do you think writes these things, though?

[Amy]

The people from a long time ago.

[Kat]

Like, could I just start a website and, like, make meanings for every birthday?

[Amy]

I mean, I don't think so, because numerology has been around for a really long time. Like, even, like in the Bible, numbers are used for symbolism.

[Kat]

Yeah. So I could do that, but I would not. I would be, like, just making up your own.

[Amy]

Yeah. You be phony, and I don't want to be that.

[Kat]

And there is some. Something to some of this sometimes.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Do you relate to any of this?

[Amy]

Well, it's also the year of the horse, Right. I feel. I'm feeling some of that. No, I looked it up one day, and then I got really confused because we were in the year of the snake, maybe.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And then we were transitioning, and now this year of the horse, and it's like a. I mean, if it's for real, like, this is. It's a powerful year for me. Not only AM I turning 45, it's the year of the horse. Like, I got exciting things happening. We've got momentum.

[Kat]

I was gonna say, like, what is, like, the horse? Like, does that mean something for everybody?

[Amy]

Like, I guess I would summarize it as, like, big things popping and happening. That's my. Okay, that's my interpretation. So specifically, the year of it's the fire Horse. Excuse me. Shannon just looked it up. For me. It's a rare, energetic and intense 60 year cycle event associated with rapid change, passion, and at times, impulse impulsivity.

[Kat]

Do you feel. I told you, passion.

[Amy]

How it resonates with me is big things popping and happening. I tried to give you my. My version. My. Yeah, I'm paraphrasing it for myself. And so far in Q1, you're popping big things have been popping. Like, I don't know when we transitioned to the year of the Fire Horse, because It wasn't like January 1st, it

[Kat]

was like a couple.

[Amy]

It was the Chinese New Year. Right?

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

People that are listening right now, if they're totally into this, they're like, oh, my gosh, y' all are butchering this. But I will say I've stepped forward into some things that I've wanted to do for a long time. I'm stepping into them finally. Like, stuff I've had on the back burner. Like, I literally had a meeting this morning that is taking another step towards something I really have wanted to do for a while. And I'm going to take another step and another step. Like, it will happen this year. And so obviously it's happening this year because it's the year of the fire horse.

[Kat]

Yeah, it has to.

[Amy]

And I have been making some bold moves. Like there was a transition in our company with somebody, and instantly when I saw it, I thought, oh, my gosh, I need to send some emails. So I did, based on what I saw happening. And I was proactive. I don't know that last year I would have had that same energy. I think I would have been like, oh, well, that's interesting. I hope maybe they call me. But instead of hoping they call me. I put my name in the hat immediately with multiple people. I even talked to Bobby about it and he gave me advice of, like, he goes, make it so obvious and send it to so many people that if in fact they do have to end up telling you no, they're gonna hate it.

[Kat]

It's gonna feel awkward.

[Amy]

They're gonna hate telling you no. And I was like, oh, tell me more. Is that part of the method of people? It was, but I just went. I was like, oh, well, I'm gonna take this advice that I'm being given and I'm just gonna go for it. I think that whatever this energy is, I guess I am feeling it, whether it's like. Because I know it's the year of the fire horse and I want to lean into that energy, or just naturally happening, because maybe there's a lot of that energy going around, but I'm seeing things through a different lens. And there is more of a oomph about me that's being like, the text messages and the emails that I sent and I fired off and they're already leading to something like, got an opportunity to fly to Austin and host a red carpet thing that I was not slated to do. But then that might lead to something that could come up in la, which might lead to something that come up in New York, which might lead to something that I really want to do in Austin in May. But I don't know if it will, but I'm going to. I'm. I'm trying to. I'm not sitting back and waiting to be like, oh, maybe that will happen. And I feel like I have had that energy before, which is okay.

[Kat]

It's also, I think, easy for a woman. I think that's what we're taught to do. Like when you were saying Bobby told you to make it so uncomfortable for them. Women are taught to make people feel comfortable, and so it's extra effort for us. That's not like our go to. I mean, some people, obviously, people have different personalities, but I think generally, as a woman, our go to is to, like, I'm gonna, like, wait for them to come to me and be polite about it and not, like, ruffle any feathers. Versus I get to be bold and go after what I want. That is more masculine energy, which is looked at differently when you're a woman than when you're a man, where it's like, he's a go getter and he knows what he wants. She's pushy.

[Amy]

Yeah. I do think that I.

[Kat]

Not that you're pushy.

[Amy]

I'm sorry. Yeah, I do think that I still was very polite and I definitely still used, like an exclamation point here and there just to keep it feminine. Just to keep that feminine energy, like,

[Kat]

I think it should be.

[Amy]

But I did say, like, sorry for bothering you. Okay. Or, you know, you know it's okay. If not, it's okay. Yeah. I didn't. I left out all of that.

[Kat]

No worries.

[Amy]

Language, like, all good. If you've got another person in mind.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Or hate to bother you. I just was. I was short and brief and to the point, but I was still kind and thoughtful and polite. I think. I hope they just see it as like, oh, Amy's eager. I had no idea she would even want to do this. We hadn't considered her. Let's put her on the short list.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And then we'll see what happens. And go, girl. I feel like there is a boldness in me, and maybe it's just the wisdom of, you know, almost being 45 now. Maybe it's the. Because now. Yeah, now I'm 45, which I did see something. Shoot. Where was it? I don't know. But I saw that for women ages 45 to 55 can be such a creative season for us.

[Kat]

Really. I wonder if part of.

[Amy]

Don't ask me more.

[Kat]

I was gonna say, I wonder if a part of that is once you reach a certain age, like, you care. I'm assuming this is coming from just nothing. Like, maybe you care less about what people think and you're more like, oh, life is short. Like, if I want something, I have to go after it. If I want to try something, I'm going to try it. And so you kind of, like, shut down a little of your ego and so creativity can come out easier.

[Amy]

Oh, potentially.

[Kat]

That's just.

[Amy]

I mean, just from your therapy, just

[Kat]

from the dome, as you would say.

[Amy]

I mean, I don't. I don't hate that reason. I also think of depending on when you have kids, you've done a lot of the raising, and then their kids are more at a point where they're self sufficient and they're in school and you can have more time to yourself.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So you have more bandwidth. Yeah. Than you had before, too.

[Kat]

Like, you're.

[Amy]

I don't know, your.

[Kat]

Your brain. The space has been opened up again for you to. To do that.

[Amy]

I'm feeling, I guess, literally had a feeling and then it just, poof, left my brain. So this is also. This is also an age where perimenopause does that and just things escape your brain. But Shannon did just look it up, and she said research suggests that ages 45 to 55 often represent a peak period for experimental creativity, which relies on experience, knowledge, and refined skills rather than the rapid conceptual leaps of youth. I'm in my golden age.

[Kat]

Maybe you can be More creative because there's already more thoughts in your brain.

[Amy]

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[Kat]

I read with my ears.

[Amy]

I know. I think that if you consume books through audio or reading, even if you're consuming it through audio, you're still imagining a whole story in your mind. You're still having to use parts of your brain that you wouldn't if you're watching a TV show, the work is done for you. I think whether you're reading or listening, you're still exercising your brain in a way that is creative and opening up certain parts that you don't get to always use.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So I think listening or re. I mean, I'm. I do both, obviously. And I do think that it has been just a little nugget this year. There's been a gift. Yeah, it's been a gift. I can't explain it. Yay.

[Kat]

Reading is a gift.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

So I wanted to say. Not to make this about me again, but I did want to say I feel like it's important because we've talked about, and we've had listeners write in about, like, infertility and stuff like that. And I don't want my. Which this is a little bit of me. People pleasing and all that, but also it's authentic, too. I don't want the pregnancy announcement to go without also acknowledging that, like, hearing that for some people could be very hard. And I know that. And I mean, you've talked about, like, you know what that feeling is like. And so I want to be sensitive to. This is a very exciting season for me. But I know some people are still in the season that I have been in, and if you are, then I'm thinking of you. And I've had, like, a. A weird relationship with our pregnancy journey because we did have to do fertility treatment. And I don't mind talking about it. It's not a secret at all. We did ivf, and it's not. I keep saying, like, I would never choose to do that if I didn't have to. Like, it's a lot of shots, it's a lot of appointments, it's a lot of money. It's a lot of emotional energy. And our experience went really well. Like, every milestone we had through that process, we got relatively good news. And I say relatively for, like, having to do that, like, no again. And so it feels weird when you get to the end of it to be like, oh, it worked when you were in this community so long with people that are struggling. Like, when we left the fertility clinic the last time we went and we had, like, an ultrasound, he printed off a picture. And I remember leaving, and somebody. As I'm leaving, one of the nurses was like, congratulations. And I wanted to be like, shh. And I, like, hid the. The ultrasound picture when we were walking out, because I was like, I don't. This is a safe space for people that just get to be like, we're all in this together. And it feel. It's like almost survivor's guilt, kind of like, obviously, we're so happy. And at the same time, it's like, oh, this is like a. It's just a weird space, which I imagine other people feel that in different ways. Like, if you're. I mean, if you're going through cancer treatment or something, and, like, you, like,

[Amy]

at the hospital, you. You ring a bell. Like, if you're done with your radiation, when people ring a bell and some people are still there for their radiation

[Kat]

appointment, which I guess also that could be very.

[Amy]

It's hopeful. Yes.

[Kat]

But when you're the one, it's weird when, like, you're the one that, like, it's. It's this weird Survivor skill is the only way I know how to describe it where it's like, so happy. And also it's like, well, I want to give a piece of this to everybody. So I just wanted to make sure. I said, like, we're so excited. This is a dream come true and a prayer answered. And I know a lot of people are still waiting for their answer, and I don't have the right thing to say, but just want people to know I'm thinking of them.

[Amy]

Yeah, I think, you know, just to piggyback off of that, people appreciate hearing that from you, and your story does give hope, and they know they're not alone in it and in the emotional expense, the financial expense, the fear. I remember, for me, making the decision to not pursue any type of fertility interventions. We did try Clomid, which is a pill that essentially makes your eggs more attractive to the sperm. I guess, in layman's terms. Yeah, that I didn't last very long on that because I cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs on it. And then that led to us going the adoption route. And as you're telling that story, I'm even thinking back to when we were trying to get pregnant. And I was like, that was our number one prayer. Like, just, I really wanted to get pregnant. And that prayer wasn't answered. And then fast forward now, we became parents in a way we didn't expect and ended up adopting. Not even our original adoption plan, which was a newborn from America. We ended up going with older children from Haiti and giving them a chance at life that they otherwise never would have had. And of course, I didn't know during the. Our fertility struggles that that was gonna be our ultimate plan. So I share that part of. Just like, if you are in the season of waiting or you're wondering, why is this happening? Switch the why to what? Because there's. There is the. Our question here. What is now possible from this? Okay, we're not able to get pregnant, so what is. Or our options now? And it's either go down the fertility route. But I did have fear of, like, what if we spend all this money and do all this energy and it still doesn't work because that is reality for some people. And I just felt in my heart like that's just not the route we're supposed to go. I felt like adoption was more of a. A guaranteed thing if we're going to put a lot of emotions and energy and finances, which Adoption is all of the above as well. So it's same but different, and that's where we landed, and I wouldn't change that. So just know if you are on that journey or it's not going exactly how you thought. There is hope for a different a journey. It literally maybe looks so different than what you had pictured in your mind, because my situation certainly does. And if you have a desire to be a mom or dad, it just may look a little different than how you thought.

[Kat]

Yeah, there was. I've shared this before, but there was somebody that told me when I was talking about, like, struggles with infertility and. And creating a family, whatever that looks like. She's also a therapist, and she said she tells her clients, like, just because you aren't getting what you want, it doesn't mean you get nothing. And that was very helpful. Like, that even makes me, like, tear up a little bit that, like, okay, I have to be. I need to create some flexibility in my mind that, like, I've had this idea of what creating a family will look like. But just because that doesn't happen doesn't mean I get nothing at all. There's still so much one. There's still much, so much other stuff in my life outside of just having children. So that's where I also can pull from. But also, like, having children might look different, and that doesn't mean I get nothing. That's. I. I was thinking that when you were talking about, like, your journey was different, say, that was good quote again. Just because you didn't get what you wanted, it doesn't mean you get nothing.

[Amy]

Just because you didn't get what you want doesn't mean you get. You get nothing.

[Kat]

Yeah. And there is a finesse, I think, when sharing that with somebody who's struggling. Kind of like how we've talked about, like, there's a finesse with when to say, what does this make possible? Yes, we get to have the moment where we're grieving and we're sad and we're like, this isn't what we wanted. And then once we are sitting with that for a little bit, then we can open up this idea.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

But doesn't mean that you get nothing here. Like, what do you have? And I even. I mentioned this kind of, like, incognito months ago, I think, on the podcast when I was. I think it was when we were talking about the drama triangle, when I was saying, like, we're. I said, like, we're struggling getting pregnant naturally. And I might have just said, Struggling getting pregnant. And I sat with that because it was really hard for me at first. Like, I just wanted to, like, be normal, be intimate with my husband, and then, like, take a pregnancy test and get to surprise him with it. But it didn't look like that at all. It was for me. It was awful. And I think he wasn't enjoying the process either. I had, like, 17 different, like, ovulation tests that I was taking, and everything was so timed, and our life revolved around, like, okay, when do I think I'm going to ovulate? And then when I don't, it's like, then I'm upset. Like, then I'm taking 17 pregnancy tests, and they're all negative, but I'm like, maybe one of them's wrong. But, like, you know, you're not pregnant, right? And so I wanted us to have that, like, fun experience or even I'm like, what if it accidentally happens? That'd be crazy. And so I had to think, like, okay, just because this isn't easy and this isn't happening this way, going the IVF route. I'm a hundred percent honest when I say this. I would not choose that if I didn't have to. And I am so grateful for what it gave to not just a baby, but gave to Patrick and I as a couple. It brought us so close. Like, I got to see him do things that, like, I never imagined him do, doing. And he took his role so seriously, and it was just a really sweet moment. And we didn't share. We shared with people close to us, but we. There was often details we weren't sharing because we were, like, in this little thing together. So, yes, I didn't want to do that, but I got something more than, like, I imagined out of that. I love that. Yeah.

[Amy]

Thank you for sharing that. It was special to hear. And also, I. I'm picturing Patrick being so. He's so cute and helpful, and so. Yeah.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Theragunning your butt.

[Kat]

Like, he had to mix all the medicines and put them in the syringe. And, like, we had this, like, cute little ritual we would do when we were doing the progesterone shots, even when we were doing the egg retrieval shots, too. But it was just, like, it became our little thing. And, like, it was like, okay, yeah.

[Amy]

Which I know. I'll just say this.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Something that the sac. Some of the sacrifices you were having to make. Like, everybody around you knew what y' all had going on, but other, like, listeners didn't know. Like, we had that thing at topgolf, it turns out you ended up not feeling well anyways. But also, that was gonna be the first night of your shots. Yes. And they had to be at a specific time. And you were like, I can come to the topgolf event, which we had so many listeners coming. And I know you wanted to be there, but that was one of those things where it was like, oh, yeah, cat can't be here. But now to see. It's almost like that there's the fruit from that. Like, you had to. You really wanted to be there. Like, you had to sacrifice certain things. And I'm just giving that one as an example. There were other things that came up where you're like, oh, I can't do that, or, oh, I've got to get home at this time, or, oh, and you can't always explain to people and they don't know. And it's like, oh, but now.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Because I was trying to make a little baby, and now there's a baby inside of me.

[Kat]

I got that. Yeah. I was like, I'll come and I'll just go to the car and do them. But, like, some of them had to be refrigerated.

[Amy]

It would have been so bad, like, for you to come to topgolf, and I feel like. Come back. No, no, no. You and Patrick needed yalls, like you said you were. Had your sacred little bubble at home where y' all were able to do that together. And I. I just. That's one of those things if some. If somebody happens to be listening right now, and they were at Topgolf for the fundraiser. No, I'm thinking they might be listening right now, and they might want to know. Oh, my gosh.

[Kat]

That's right.

[Amy]

That's what was going on with Kat. Like, that's so cool. And now she's pregnant.

[Kat]

Yeah. And what's interesting about that is I was thinking, like, at first I wasn't feeling good, but I was like, I'll figure this out. Like, we'll pack a cooler, whatever. But I would say if anybody is going through this, I wasn't aware of how emotional I was going to be about what we were doing. Like, it felt like no big deal to me at first because I was like, I've accepted that we're doing this, and this is just some. Taking a couple shots, like, no big deal. But then when he did it, I had this moment of like, I. Like, I didn't, like, boohoo, cry, but I did tear up, and I was like, I'm Feeling really emotional. And I was not expecting to feel this way. And so I am glad that I was at home that night.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

Because then I'd be like, suck it up. You got to go back in there and act normal. So, yeah, that's where I was.

[Amy]

That's where Cat was. And I was covering for you. Don't worry. And I hope you know, as those that love you, want to support you, that, like, we wouldn't. Like, I wouldn't. You were exactly where you needed to be.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And. And now you got a baby in your belly.

[Kat]

Oh, and I can share. It's a girl.

[Amy]

It's a girl. Yeah, it's a girl. Lime. It's a baby girl.

[Kat]

Live. Which we. When you do ivf, you could choose if you have both genders or sexes. Embryos. But we didn't look at. I don't know out of the embryos that we did get. I don't know the sex of any of them. So we just said, put the best one. They grade them. Put the best one in. And I was like, I feel like it's gonna be a boy. Because everybody that I've known that's done ivf. Well, not everybody, but most people have had boys. So I'm like, maybe male embryos are stronger. I don't know. Is girl.

[Amy]

It's a girl. I didn't know if you were saying that and I thought, oh, shoot, you just said that there was a bow on my anti shirt and that the bow might give away that it's a girl. And I didn't know if you were saying anything, so I didn't say. I just kept quiet. You're like, I had a bow. And I'm like, yeah. Which reminds me of pretzels.

[Kat]

Well, I didn't even think about the bow for it being a girl. I don't. Did I know it was a girl when I told. I must have.

[Amy]

I. Yeah.

[Kat]

Cuz you put.

[Amy]

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[Kat]

Okay. So on my drive here, I saw a brick mailbox. And when I was younger I in my head I was like, okay, if you have a brick mailbox, you are rich. Like interesting. That is. I'm like when my. I went to my friend's house and they had a brick mailbox, I was like, they have money. And so I was just wondering because that was one of the things in my childhood, I was like, okay, that equals that brick mailbox equals your parents are doing pretty good. So are. I was wondering, are there things as a kid that you were like if they had. That they were wealthy.

[Amy]

Well.

[Kat]

And do you relate to the brick mailbox?

[Amy]

I have not thought of that. I had a brick mailbox growing up.

[Kat]

So you would have been like.

[Amy]

And we had a pool. Oh my gosh, we were loaded. Except for behind the scenes, we were not.

[Kat]

Well, because I was gonna say the other thing that I think of is like if you have an in ground pool.

[Amy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kat]

You also have money.

[Amy]

Okay, so we. We did. I do think obviously there was seasons where my dad had money and then he didn't. Which is one of the reasons why my parents up getting divorced because my dad went bankrupt. So we still, we lived in a neighborhood that had money. So I don't know that I have this. Like we were. I never even saw myself as real. Like I thought other people in our neighborhood, which they did, had so much more money. Than we did. But it's like we were all still in the same neighborhood, and we were a very. Neighborhood in a bubble. Like, our neighborhood was way far out. Like, nothing else was around us. And it was a golf course community. So I guess I would think, like, the houses that were on the golf course, like, if their backyard was a hole. Yeah, they had money. What about, like, I was across the

[Kat]

street, so, like, oh, to only be

[Amy]

a. I know, but that's part of my. Like, I've had to work through this in therapy. Like, my. The mental gymnastics I played as a child to keep up with the Joneses. As a child. Obviously, I didn't have money to keep up. It wasn't like I was trying. I. I wouldn't try to buy things. I would just try to have conversation or stories that, like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. My parents, you know, because my friends were. My dad had just left, and we weren't taking, like, trips or vacations. We used to. But then suddenly, like, everything stopped. So I kept up the, like, oh, yeah, we're taking this trip, like, or we're going here. Which I'm sure my friend's parents knew our situation. Like, the adults probably knew. Yeah. I think it was news that, like, my dad left and probably because I was bankrupt and he found a younger wife that thought he had money.

[Kat]

I don't know.

[Amy]

I think for where she was coming from, my dad still had money. And then I think she realized, like, oh, this is going to be more work. Because he would always bounce back. He just had a. He was like a roller. He was a. He was. He got excited about things, and he wanted to go all in. And I loved my dad, and I loved his heart towards things. I just think, you know. So did you make a lot of the best decisions?

[Kat]

Did you feel the instability as a kid with money?

[Amy]

I don't know that I fully felt it. I don't think I fully felt it. To answer that question, I think I had an idea. Something's. Often. Something's very different about me and some of my friends in this neighborhood, so I need to make sure I keep up with the stories. Like, I'll get real vulnerable with you. I've told my therapist this. I've never said it out loud or whatever, but I will now, I guess. Okay. Okay. My dad's friend had this farm with horses. It was beautiful, and it was someone my dad also did business with or whatever. But we had all these pamphlets and, like, pictures of these horses or whatever. And I would act like, like, my Friends would ask and be like, oh, yeah, we go there, that's our farm or something that. But that was my.

[Kat]

That was the facade. You were.

[Amy]

That was. Yeah, I was like, I don't have anything to, like, I mean, these are my friends. Like, their parents are buying. Like, again, I think my mom was trying to do us a favor by staying in that neighborhood so that we had some stability. She only stayed there because my dad gave her the house. Like, he said, you take the house, I'm leaving, it's yours. So for her, moving would have been an expense. And then also it would have taken us away from our friends, our schools. Like, it just would have been a disruption. And she was a stay at home mom. So then my mom had to get a job. So suddenly I went from a mom that was home and very present and always around and like, played tennis to like, she never. Then I never saw her go on, like, play tennis or walk and to working all the time. And that was very different. And where all my other friends, their moms, a lot of them stayed at home and played tennis, which I'm not. I'm not like saying, like, woe is me at all. It just. As a child, you notice something is very different. And like, as I remember as a kid going to Disney and Hawaii and then that sort of stuff just stopped. But I'm in a neighborhood where my friends are still having those experiences or their parents are buying new cars and this and that, and I'm like, oh, yeah, this is my horse. Like, it's very sad to think back on it. Like, doesn't make sense. And I know exactly who I told that to. To this day. And I brought it up in therapy. And I feel like I want to call that person and be like, I have no idea why I told you

[Kat]

that I never had a horse.

[Amy]

And he might be like, it was. It was a guy friend in my neighborhood, and he might be like, Amy, I have no idea what you're talking about. And he probably doesn't even remember.

[Kat]

Probably not.

[Amy]

But I know, I know for a fact if he went home and said something about Amy, was showing me pictures of her, whatever, that I know for a fact his parents would be like, what? She just. They did not have that.

[Kat]

Wait, how old were you when you did that?

[Amy]

Nine.

[Kat]

Okay. That's different than you're like 16. Yeah, that actually.

[Amy]

Yeah, I grew out of it. It wasn't a. It wasn't. Thankfully for some, it may be a pattern that continues. It was not a long drawn out thing. It's just something I. In fact, I remember it so well. I remember the exact moment. And it was on my bulletin board and the questions he was asking. And then I just built this story around it.

[Kat]

Well, I didn't.

[Amy]

I didn't. Okay, if I named it, I don't remember that part. But I do remember enough about the experience that it stayed with me as, like an ick.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Of like, why did I do that?

[Kat]

That's so interesting that you feel so ick about it. Because when I hear that, I'm like, you, sweet nine year old who just was like, trying to like, feel like, okay and like, cool enough or good enough or whatever. I don't, I don't feel like, ooh, you loser, you little liar. I'm like, that's actually really sweet. And I want to give her a hug.

[Amy]

I remember too, my mom trying to cut costs of, like, everything. Like they're. Most people aren't able to add a lawn service. That's just the way that. So that would be another one if you have a brick mailbox, if you have a lawn service or whatever. So then my mom had to start. She started doing the yard work. And then I would try to help her, but then I was embarrassed. And then sometimes she wouldn't even have time because she was working full time. And our yard would kind of get out of control. And when you're again in a neighborhood where all the yards are pretty well kept and manicured. I remember I lived in a cul de sac and my neighbors in the middle of the cul de sac, I was obsessed with their house. And they would leave town and they would have me, you know, water their plants and do stuff. And I would go over there and water their plants and pretend their house was mine.

[Kat]

I'm just watering my house's plan.

[Amy]

Yes. Like, I live here and I would think, like, it would be so awesome if this is my house. And they were literally my neighbor. And I mean, my house was fine, but I, of course, I saw all the things raw. I just wanted to escape my life. But anyway, back to my yard. Sometimes my mom wouldn't get around to it. And our church, we had a really good church community. And they were very great about taking care of my mom. And I remember sometimes my sister's boyfriend, who she's now married to, and then my ex husband too, sometimes our pastor would get the youth group. Y' all need to go over to Ms. Judy's house and help her with the yard. And so the boys from the youth group they would come over and like, do the yard for us, which was such a sweet gift for my mom or even my pastor himself. Like, sometimes he'd be like, judy, I'm going to come over and take care of your yard for you today. Because we had a, our front yard. It was laborious on my mom. Like, it was a big front yard, so it'd take a while to mow. And that was really special for me to see. But also, I just felt it was also like, embarrassing that it was still. Yeah. But it's weird because, you know, people, like, I feel even silly saying this stuff out loud. Some people are like, why cry me a river? Like, okay, like, I had to get food from the church or food stamps or whatever. So every. It's all relative. Yeah. Relative to your situation. And that was just what I was experiencing at the time and that my child brain couldn't process. And it went from living one way to things changing overnight. Yeah. And so I was just doing the best that I could.

[Kat]

I don't hear, wow, I cry me a river. I don't think that, that because, because

[Amy]

I'm not there now. I'm just speaking of, like, where I was.

[Kat]

That's also. You're saying, like, I went from this to this. It was jarring and confusing and like I was comparing myself to the people around me. But I also had the brain of a nine year old and that's how much I can actually, that's why like, as nine, as a nine year old, I can see, like, yeah, that is scary. And all this stuff as an adult, you can look back and say, okay, this makes sense. It actually wasn't my fault. There was nothing wrong with me. I was trying to survive all of that. I don't, I don't want you to feel like you're not allowed to have feelings about that. Sounds like a big deal for a kid to go through.

[Amy]

I, I'm, I'm, I'm okay with it now. But so, so anyway, I had a brick. I had a brick mailbox

[Kat]

to bring it back.

[Amy]

I don't have a brick mailbox now, though.

[Kat]

But there are brick mailboxes in your neighborhood? There are, yeah.

[Amy]

Huh.

[Kat]

But what's interesting is like, you can have a brick mailbox in front of like a shack. Like, there's all. It doesn't actually make sense. Like a brick mailbox does not equal that. But in my head as a kid, it did.

[Amy]

It did. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Kat]

And like, I don't have one now. And so maybe I've Disappointed myself.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

But I don't.

[Amy]

I don't either. I feel like I have, but I like. Mine's a cute little iron one. I think it's cute.

[Kat]

Patrick had a brick mailbox in his last house when I met him. And our house now is nicer than that house.

[Amy]

Yeah. So you're like, yeah, yeah.

[Kat]

I would not trade the houses for the brick mailbox.

[Amy]

Your method of determining.

[Kat]

But it just was silly to think back and think about like, oh, I used to really think that.

[Amy]

So that was your questions that don't come up.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

I'm sorry. That led us to.

[Kat]

That's okay.

[Amy]

Somewhere where we weren't planning on talking. Like I was gonna. The beauty tell you that we need to have a all girls slumber party before you have your baby.

[Kat]

Do you want to do that?

[Amy]

Well, because I saw this whole thing on adults having slumber parties. Adult women. I mean, I guess guys could have it too if they want, but if you like. When you think back to being a child, did you ever have slumber parties with your girlfriends?

[Kat]

100. But you know, kids don't really do that anymore. A lot of kids don't.

[Amy]

Yeah. I. But some still do.

[Kat]

Some still do. But I. I've learned recently that a lot of kids don't do that anymore.

[Amy]

Yeah, it's kind of scary out there. Yeah, I get that. But if you're.

[Kat]

It's very different corp.

[Amy]

Yes. As an adult, you don't have to worry about anything creepy happening. But it was this article I saw. I'll shout the person out. Specifically Jamie Arona Krems, director of the UCLA center for Friendship Research. Okay.

[Kat]

Serious legit.

[Amy]

She did research into friendship and emotional bonding and found that it suggests that shared spaces and extended time together strengthens connection and well being. When people feel safe and comfortable enough to stay overnight, they are often more willing to be emotionally vulnerable. And that is the point. Sleepovers allow for late night chats. No judgment. Laughing until you cry. Crying until you laugh. And so what feels like a teenage ritual is actually emotional regulation.

[Kat]

Okay, I'm down to have a sleepover.

[Amy]

So maybe it's time to plan an adult sleepover.

[Kat]

Yeah. With no pranks.

[Amy]

Yeah, we don't have to have any pranks.

[Kat]

Like just, you know, like the dip your hand in water and see if they pee. Did you ever do that?

[Amy]

Oh, while they're sleepy. Yes.

[Kat]

In the freezer underwear.

[Amy]

Yeah, none of that. No pranks.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

The requirements would be good food. Yes. A good movie. Yes. Good. Maybe question card game type things.

[Kat]

Good.

[Amy]

Games.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Like board games. Activities.

[Kat]

Good. Non alcoholic drinks.

[Amy]

Yeah. Because you're pregnant and I. Yeah.

[Kat]

And I. I don't.

[Amy]

I don't think you have to have alcohol. Good. Little mocktails. Yeah.

[Kat]

Or just Diet Coke I'd be okay with too. Which I can't have a lot of that right now. Yeah, I can have one every once in a while. My doctor said.

[Amy]

Oh yay.

[Kat]

Yeah, don't worry, I checked.

[Amy]

That's what I do. Anyways. I probably have one every once in a while.

[Kat]

Yeah. No matter what she said, it was more about the artificial sweetener than anything else. And the caffeine, but there's not that much caffeine in it anyway, so.

[Amy]

Sleepover time. Yeah. Okay.

[Kat]

Calm down.

[Amy]

Well, wherever you are, whatever you're doing, call some girlfriends, get them together, have a sleepover and have the day you need to have. Bye.

[Kat]

Bye.

[Amy]

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[Kat]

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[Amy]

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[Kat]

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