FEELING THINGS - Purity Hot Tubs & Insults To Keep In Your Back Pocket (Couch Talks)

Summary

The Bobby Bones Show: FEELING THINGS – Purity Hot Tubs & Insults To Keep In Your Back Pocket (Couch Talks)

Date: May 25, 2026
Hosts: Amy & Kat (Couch Talks segment of Feeling Things)

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Episode Overview

This "Couch Talks" episode of "Feeling Things" with Amy and Kat is a relaxed, relatable listener Q&A session, full of candid conversation about social media randomness, body image during pregnancy, creative ways to deal with haters, and listener advice. The hosts discuss the sometimes absurd content that pops up on social media algorithms, offer support and realness around pregnancy bodies, share some razor-sharp (but mostly unused) "back pocket" insults, and chat about sunscreen, glasses, and growing up. The tone is warm, humorous, and supportive, with both hosts balancing vulnerability and playful banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Algorithm Minute

[02:51 – 07:53]

• Amy and Kat each share the weirdest thing their social media algorithm threw at them this week.
• Amy’s feed: A bizarre hot tub meme—"POV: You’ve chosen to walk in purity. So hot tub sessions accompany loud worship music."
  • Both comment on the odd mix of hot tubs and religious overtones.
  • Amy: “I don’t like hot tubs.”
  • Kat jokes about public vs. private hot tubs.
  • They discuss how certain FYP (For You Page) content seems completely random.
• Kat’s feed: Pregnancy content, particularly a Kylie Jenner interview where Jenner shares she gained 40 to 50 lbs during her pregnancies. This makes Kat feel seen as the typical online pregnancy content doesn’t reflect her body or experience.
  • Kat: “Everybody’s body’s different... But I need more people that are having a similar experience as me in my For You Page.” [07:27]

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2. Dealing With Criticism & Protecting Each Other

[08:00 – 09:56]

• Kat recently deleted a mean email aimed at Amy, deciding she didn’t need to see it.
  • Discussion about when to open oneself to criticism and when to ignore destructive feedback.
  • Kat: “As a podcast, we want people to enjoy what we’re doing and want to listen… but some stuff you don’t need feedback on. You just find a different podcast.” [09:43]
  • Amy affirms she could handle it but appreciates Kat’s care: “Thank you for taking care of me.”

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3. Insults to Keep in Your Back Pocket

[09:56 – 14:28]

• Amy shares a curated list of witty, slow-burn “intelligent insults” as a tongue-in-cheek way to deal with haters or unsolicited opinions.
  • Examples:
    • “I’d love to agree with you, but I don’t want both of us to be wrong.” [10:13, Amy]
    • “I’d explain it slower, but I don’t think speed is the problem.”
    • “Nothing lights up a room like your absence.”
    • “Don’t start thinking if you’re not used to it.”
    • “You prove the bottom of the barrel has a basement.”
    • “I like how you don’t let facts discourage you.”
    • “You stand so firmly on assumptions you mistake it for solid ground.”
  • Kat and Amy joke about which ones could be playful vs. actually mean, with therapist-style rephrasings.
  • They admit most are for entertainment only: “We’re a therapy podcast… and so we’re giving you a list of things NOT to say.” [14:28, Amy]

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4. Audiobooks, Accents, and Immersion Reading

[13:08 – 14:20]

• Amy talks about using immersion reading (reading and listening simultaneously), especially as someone with dyslexia.
  • Amy: “I am dyslexic, and it’s called immersion reading… I wish I would have had it as a kid.” [13:08]
• Russian accents in audiobooks (“Winter Garden”) are discussed as soothing (or not).

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5. Naming Babies & Family Boundaries

[21:49 – 24:25]

• Kat gives a baby update, discussing the challenge of choosing baby names with her partner.
  • Kat: “He just has a lot of opinions, and I think they’re wrong.” [21:46]
• They reflect on what stories are or aren’t theirs to share, and the ethics of revealing personal or family information on a public podcast.
  • They reference the book “Maybe You Should Talk to Someone” by Lori Gottlieb as an example of anonymizing client stories.
  • The struggle between authenticity and privacy is discussed—sometimes “parking lot” topics resurface but remain untold out of respect.

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6. Recognizing Red Flags in Relationships

[29:01 – 34:15]

• Amy and Kat reflect candidly on a past friendship of Amy’s that Kat identified as toxic before Amy did.
• They discuss how outsiders sometimes spot problems before we do, and look back at Kat’s efforts to subtly steer Amy away from a problematic friend.
  • Amy: “Sometimes your friends can see it before you do, so pay attention, because Kat saw it, and I was in La La Land and ignored it.” [30:17]
• They gently analyze how best friends can offer support, knowing when to step in or step back. Amy says she ultimately benefited from figuring things out herself, but would have appreciated intervention if it had gone on much longer.

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7. Listener Voicemails and Emails

[38:36 – 47:35]

Life Hack: Glasses in the Go Bag (Voicemail from Sam, Boston)

• [38:36 – 41:13]
  • Sam, a 29-year-old listener, shares the tip to always keep an emergency pair of glasses in the car—a must if you’re legally blind, like Sam and Kat.
    • Sam: “If my contacts ever fall out… I literally would not be able to drive safely and I’d be stuck.” [38:36]
  • Kat realizes she never thought of that; recounts the challenges of bad childhood eyesight, contacts, and sports goggles.
  • Kat remembers the trauma of learning to use contacts as a child:
    • Kat: “They had to hold me down and shove the contacts in my eyes… that was traumatic.” [42:00]

Mineral Sunscreen Advice (Email from Heidi)

• [43:23 – 46:37]
  • Heidi, a foster/adoptive mom, shares tested tips on family mineral sunscreen:
    • No spray formulas (tend to cause skin issues and leave residue)
    • Use small amounts to avoid chalkiness and ease application
    • Be aware of staining on swimsuits
    • Embrace looking a little “whiter” with mineral sunscreen, or take time to rub it in
    • Recommends “Australian Gold Botanical” sunscreen
  • Amy appreciates the environmental benefits and learning that the US Virgin Islands require mineral sunscreen.

Growing Up with Glasses & Braces

• [41:04 – 43:16]
  • Playful reminiscence about wearing glasses/braces as a kid; wishing for “cool” optics or braces to fit in.
  • Kat: “I thought braces were so cool. Sometimes I would put a paperclip in my mouth and walk around the mall…”

Parent-Teen Connection

• [47:03 – 48:16]
  • Amy’s son comes home from school, loudly announcing his arrival—something Amy finds heartwarming.
  • Reflections on hoping for a close relationship with future kids, contrasting with their own teenage years.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “If I was in a hot tub and I was feeling pressure and frisky, I don’t like the correlation between the two… it feels like it could be a little damaging, you know?” — Kat on the “purity” hot tub meme ([04:19])
• “Thank you, Kylie, for sharing that with us.” — Kat, grateful for body honesty in pregnancy ([07:53])
• “Insults so intelligent that you don’t realize you’ve been roasted until a minute has gone by.” — Amy, introducing her insult list ([09:56])
• “We’re a therapy podcast… and so we’re giving you a list of things NOT to say.” — Kat ([14:28])
• “Sometimes your friends can see it before you do, so pay attention.” — Amy ([30:17])
• “If you have to share a story that exposes someone else, then maybe it’s not yours to tell.” — Kat, paraphrased ([24:24])
• “I have expectations of myself that others have of me too. That would be me going to the basement at the bottom of the barrel.” — Amy (on keeping integrity about sharing stories) ([27:06])
• “People come into your life for a reason, a season, or a lifetime.” — Amy on friendships ([33:56])
• “I thought braces were so cool. Sometimes I’d put a paperclip in my mouth…” — Kat ([43:08])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | |--------------|----------------------------------------------| | 02:51–07:53 | Algorithm Minute (Social feed randomness, pregnancy body talk, purity hot tubs) | | 08:00–09:56 | Deleting mean emails, handling criticism | | 09:56–14:28 | Intelligent insults for your “back pocket” | | 13:08–14:20 | Immersion reading and audiobook accents | | 21:49–24:25 | Baby naming, privacy, ethics of sharing stories| | 29:01–34:15 | Recognizing toxic relationships, friendship support | | 38:36–41:13 | Listener voicemail: Glasses “go bag” | | 43:23–46:37 | Listener email: Mineral sunscreen tips | | 47:03–48:16 | Amy’s son’s “I’m home” ritual, parenting hopes|

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

• Warm, playful, and supportive. Amy and Kat approach even serious topics with kindness and humor, modeling thoughtful boundaries and friendship skills.
• Relatability. The episode’s approach to body image, friendship, and handling criticism is highly relatable, making listeners feel understood.
• Practical takeaways. Advice on dealing with toxic people, pregnancy body image, mineral sunscreen, and “go bag” hacks offer listeners real-life value.
• Healthy boundaries. The hosts discuss openly what’s appropriate to share and model respect for others’ privacy, both in life and on the podcast.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode is an inviting, insightful, and laughter-filled conversation about real-life issues ranging from body image to boundaries. Amy and Kat deliver heart, humor, and honesty—never shying away from tough topics, and always rooting for their listeners and each other. Whether it’s a hot tub meme, a clever comeback, pregnancy clothing woes, or a story you just can’t tell, the hosts make it feel like a chat with safe, funny, wise friends.

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hope Couch Talks can be a tool that helps and supports wherever you are in life, Couch Talks does not serve as a replacement or substitute for therapy or any mental health services. If you ever have feelings and you just want some, maybe a cat got you covered like a num bra Ladies

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and fellas, we just follow in the spirit where it tell us from the real stuff to the chill stuff. And the.

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Sometimes the best thing you can do

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is just stop and feel things.

[A]

This is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat.

[B]

Happy Thursday. Welcome to Couch Talks, the listener Q and A episode of the Feeling Things podcast. I'm Amy.

[A]

And I'm Kat.

[B]

And let's start off with a little algorithm minute. Welcome to the algorithm minute. I know we're not supposed to sing,

[A]

but I thought you were going to say algorithm roulette.

[B]

No, because then we would just be, like, randomly picking. But Kat and I have both picked one thing from our algorithms to share with you. And I like to share. This was in my fyp, so my for you page, as I scroll through reels, seeing what I. What the algorithm is suggesting for me, there's this guy and a girl in a hot tub, and they're, you know, smiling and playing around in the hot tub. And then written on top of the screen, it says, pov, You've chosen to walk in purity. So hot tub sessions accompany loud worship music on the speakers. And then, of course, there's a worship song playing in the real, obviously. And I thought, why is this. Why is this in my page?

[A]

Yeah. The question is, why is that your for you page?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Are you trying to walk in purity right now?

[B]

Oh, I mean, I just. Or do I even. Hot tub? I don't know. Yeah, like, it just seemed.

[A]

I feel like you don't like hot tubs.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

Yeah. I don't like a public one, but I like a hot tub.

[B]

You'll go private, but private. I can only go private.

[A]

But here's my thing with that, which, like, if whatever works for you, works for you, but I just feel like if I was in a hot tub and I was feeling pressure and frisky, I don't like the correlation between the two. It's, you know, like, it's almost like God's watching you. And that feels like it could be a little damaging, you know?

[B]

Yeah. It just was an interesting thing to pop up on my feed, and I was like, okay, I'll share that. What you got, Kat?

[A]

So that's not my algorithm. Mine is mostly pregnancy stuff, which is, like, cool, but also, I get kind of tired of it. But this one, I actually really did enjoy Kylie Jenner, which I think I love her.

[B]

I don't really know much about her. I don't either. She's really wealthy.

[A]

She's a billionaire. She's dating Timothy Chalamet.

[B]

She's probably.

[A]

She has two kids.

[B]

Not doing hot tape.

[A]

I don't think she is because she got pregnant at 19.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So she. Yeah, I don't think she's doing that. She was on Shoot. I don't know his name. She was on a podcast. So it was all these clips from this podcast. And she shared that in her pregnancy, both of them. Her first one, she gained. I think she said 40 pounds. In her second one, she said 40 or 50 pounds, which I was like, whoa. Because part of my issue. I don't know if I've talked about this before of my for you page, A lot of it is pregnancy clothes. Like, people either selling or people being like, this is what I wore in the second trimester, or the this or the. But everybody who's doing that, none of them have my body type. So it's a little disheartening a little bit. And I'm like, those clothes aren't going to look like that on me. And so it's been like a process for me because I'm like, these people don't look like they're gaining any of the pregnancy weight, which everybody's body's different.

[B]

And I remember Kate Hudson talking about how she gained 80 pounds or something.

[A]

No way.

[B]

Yeah. Wait, you're like, wow. Your face. You're like, wow.

[A]

So anyway, when she said that, I was like, okay, so it is. I mean, I don't actually know how much I've gained because ever since I started doing fertility treatments, I have not looked at the scale because they really change your body or they changed my body, and I didn't need to. I generally don't need that information. And so I have no idea what I weigh. So I don't know how much I've gained. I just know my body has changed. But that made me feel good because I've seen all these videos of these girls that are like, I gained 15 pounds. That's just the baby.

[B]

And my baby came out and I lost all of my pregnancy weight.

[A]

And they're showing their. Like, this is the other thing that's been getting me that. And I'm trying to change my algorithm. It's just hard. But they'll show. Like, this is what I packed in my hospital bag. And it'll be like, they're going home outfit. And I'm like, there's no way. They're like, and I ordered my normal size. And I'm like, right after you gave the baby. Most people still look pregnant after giving Birth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I was like, I need the real. Like I need now. Everybody's body is different. And I do. I think it's a misconception that, like, you have to gain a certain amount of weight because you're. Your body will put on the weight that you need to keep your baby healthy. But I need more people that are having a similar experience as me in my for you page. And so thank you, Kylie, for sharing that with us.

[B]

Yeah. And just like, you protect yourself from the scale, like, you know, you don't need to see that. So you don't.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's great. And then you carry on about your day. You protected me from an email that you said I didn't need to see. And you went in to our feeling things email and you deleted something, and now I'm not even gonna get to read it.

[A]

But then you told me about it.

[B]

Yeah. You said I could go into the trash if I wanted to. And I was like, no, I'm not gonna go read it.

[A]

I felt kind of bad that I deleted it because I was like. Part of me was like, amy can handle seeing this.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But then I was like, but she doesn't need to see this. So that's why I think I, like, word vomited and was like, I deleted a media email about you, but it's

[B]

still in the trash. If you want to go get it and you can go read it, it's fine. But I mean, I'm not gonna go read it. Thank you for taking care of me. It's fine. I can decide if. If I want to read it or not. Because I got insults.

[A]

Yeah. What do you mean?

[B]

I have insults. I have a whole list that I came across just that we could all use at any time.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I could. I can take care of myself. I probably wouldn't even reply.

[A]

No, this email didn't deserve a reply. And I'm pretty sure this person has sent something similar before that you have seen. It just felt unnecessary. Like, we've talked about, like, we're. You especially are very open to. To critical feedback. You really are like. And constructive feedback. Yes, yes, yes. That's better. But also, as a podcast, we want people to enjoy what we're doing and want to listen. And so that's part of the job, is to hear that. But like we've said before, there is a. There's some stuff that if you just don't like like us, then that's. We don't need the feedback on that. You just find a different podcast and this person, I just don't think like you.

[B]

Okay, cool. That's fine.

[A]

Which, like, I'm sure there's plenty of people that don't like me. They're just not sending. That's why I'm like, you don't need to see that. I don't need to see the people that don't like me. They can talk about me to their friends.

[B]

Well, here's a list of insults that I came across that we can keep in our back pocket just in case we ever might need them. They're insults so intelligent that you don't realize you've been roasted until like a beat, like a minute has gone by and you're like, wait a second. That was an insult.

[A]

It was mean.

[B]

Like this. I'd love to agree with you, but I don't want us both to be wrong.

[A]

Imagine you saying that, and I'm like, oh, thank you. And then later I'm like, wait, you

[B]

could say that one to your husband. If y' all are ever arguing about something, you'd be like, oh, man. Well, I'd love to agree with you, but I want. I don't want both of us to be wrong.

[A]

Wait, I kind of want to try that and see if he notices. Okay.

[B]

I'd explain it slower, but I don't think speed is the problem. Ouch. Yeah. Nothing lights up a room like your absence.

[A]

That is mean.

[B]

Ah, that one cuts.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Don't start thinking if you're not used to it.

[A]

These are kind of evil.

[B]

Yeah, funny. What if I replied back to that one email and I was like, don't start thinking if you're not used to it.

[A]

That would give her more ammo. I wouldn't. Yeah.

[B]

I can appreciate your unique approach to problem causing. You prove the bottom of the barrel has a basement. Oh, ouch.

[A]

That's kind of like. Is that an insult or is that almost. I like that one. I like that because if somebody's, like, going below the belt, you can say that. And that's not you being mean. You're just like, you're going too far, you know?

[B]

Like, this is low.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This one could be said in a southern voice and be like, real sweet, you know, I feel like this one's like, I like how you don't let facts discourage you, you know?

[A]

Yeah, that's one of those, like, bless your hearts, where you walk away and you're like, wait, that person was just really mean to me. And now I want to go back and say something.

[B]

You stand so firmly on assumptions, you Mistake it for solid ground. Okay.

[A]

That's not that mean. I can see my. I would never say it like that, but that's like something that I could see myself saying to a client. You know, that, like, you're. You're assuming so much that you don't realize, like, what actually. What actual facts you have. Oh, the same kind of thing.

[B]

So now you've got one for work.

[A]

Not. I wouldn't say it in an assaulting way, though.

[B]

That's not.

[A]

Yeah. Wow.

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This is how you could say it. Like, oh, wow. It seems as though you're standing so firmly on assumptions that maybe you're mistaking it for solid ground.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yes.

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That's the therapist you could be. Therapist.

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That would be my tone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For that, I. I want to do a New York accent, but I don't know how. Or like a Boston. Like, I like how you don't let facts discourage you. I know. I like how you don't let the facts discourage you.

[A]

I feel like no matter what accent you try to do, it just comes out Russian.

[B]

Oh, yes. Russian. Yeah, Russian.

[A]

Oh, in.

[B]

I know we talked a little bit about Winter Garden on Tuesday, so I have the physical copy, but I also listen to it. If you're new here. I do that for. To help me. Even while I'm actually reading the book. I will sometimes listen to it. Not always, but it helps. I am dyslexic, and it's called immersion reading, and it's a technique that I wish I would have had when I was a kid, because I think it really would have helped me. And I think that's a tool they use for kids now, But I'm just now discovering it at 45. That's okay.

[A]

Better late than never.

[B]

And it really is great. And in the audiobook, the mom. The mom in the story is Russian, and she's got the Russian accent.

[A]

Don't you love that?

[B]

And she talks accent.

[A]

In the book, she talks like this.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I. I found it very soothing. And she's not the most soothing person.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Huh?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

See, what's great about. Yeah. What's great about doing that is when you're listening. You may have already said this, but when you're listening to an audiobook, it helps you. Then when you're reading it, put voices to all these characters.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's kind of fun, you know?

[B]

It is fun.

[A]

Okay. So I'm gonna encourage you to not use most of these.

[B]

I'm probably not. I just thought that they were funny to share, like, especially.

[A]

Yeah. We're a therapy podcast and we help people be better people and so we're giving you a list of things not to say.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, you could try out with to your husband. I'd love to agree with you, but I don't want both of us to be wrong. Like that's kind of funny.

[A]

You're like kitchen playful way.

[B]

Yes, being playful.

[A]

You know what, I'll say that to him when he's giving his opinion on baby names.

[B]

Oh, what's going on with that?

[A]

He just has a lot of opinions and I think they're wrong.

[B]

Are you really buying a car online

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on Autotrader right now?

[B]

Really? I can get super specific with dealer listings and see cars based on my budget. You can really have it delivered or pick it up.

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Mommy, look.

[B]

Kid is walking up the slide. Really? Autotrader? Buy your car online? Really?

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Are you really buying a car online

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on Autotrader right now?

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Really? I can get super specific with dealer listings and see cars based on my budget. You can really have it delivered or pick it up. I think kid is walking up the slide. Really? Autotrader Buy your car online. Really?

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[F]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections and it's like, okay, yo yo yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that that deeply, emotionally affected me and I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end, it's like, yeah, dude, me too.

[E]

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[A]

He just has a lot of opinions, and I think they're wrong.

[B]

And, oh, yeah, this is baby gonna get named.

[A]

Well, I've already said the baby has a first name.

[B]

Right, but you're trying to complete the name.

[A]

Yep. And I've talked about my thoughts on the middle name here before. You guys know that I was struggling with a certain name. And, yeah, we just had a discussion this morning about it, and he gave me the wrong opinion. I didn't like it. So I wish I would have had this, but not really because we were able to handle it in a more mature way. Don't look at me like that.

[B]

Are you sure? Because I feel like whenever you were telling me about it, you're like. And then we haven't talked the rest of the day.

[A]

Well, no, we've talked. I. He left. When he left, I said, well, he kissed me goodbye and he kissed the baby goodbye. He's so cute when he does it.

[B]

That is cute.

[A]

But he didn't say I love you. So he's walking out the door and I go, are you not gonna say I love you? Granted, I didn't say it either, but he said, I was trying to give you some space. And I was like, well, we can still say I love you to each other when you're leaving for work. So then he said, I love you and I'll see you later. And we've texted about other things, but I think this is still. We've kind of put this issue. I did say I love you, and I'm still upset, so I'm having the both there, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Any who baby update.

[B]

Thanks for sharing that. I didn't know if you were going to share that on the podcast. And then I was like, oh, there she is. She's saying it.

[A]

Well, I wasn't. I'm not going to share everything. Right. Yeah.

[B]

We have to protect some things.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Some things. You realize other people might not like

[A]

if you share him.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yes. But also, I think I want to

[B]

preserve the baby name.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah, that makes sense. But that's for you. And then also, when there's other people involved, I have. Let me tell you how many amazing stories I have.

[A]

Oh. Oh, you know what?

[B]

I was thinking about stories I have. And I can't say, because I won't. I. I can't because I won't. I Can't, because I won't.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If I was the type that that could. Or would, that would be great, but I'm just not. And it's such a bummer because, I don't know, maybe one day there's a way to tell some of them. Maybe they're like, you know, when the government can't share stuff, and then 25 years pass, and then now it's allowed. You can read the documents. Well, you know, declassify stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What is it called?

[A]

Yeah, I think that's right.

[B]

Well, no, but on classified information. Yeah. Maybe that's what it's called.

[A]

I was thinking more so, like. Because a lot of interesting stories that I have, like, aren't like. I think what you're saying, too, is, like, they're either personal or they're not your stories to tell.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Well, they are. I have my side of the story that actually is great to tell. But in order for me to tell my side, that means I'm telling. Exposing other things about other people or involving other people, because it's also about me. So then. Yeah, it's like, you can't do it. I can't do it.

[A]

Well, I. Oh, I have. That just brought something up. I'm gonna. Parking lot that thought. Okay.

[B]

Okay, we're gonna park that.

[A]

We're gonna park that thought, and we're gonna. This thought that I had originally that, you know, the book. Maybe you should talk to someone.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

She tells. So this is a book for those of you that don't know what it is. It's a book that a therapist wrote. And in this book, she talks about her life, and then she talks about. About five clients stories side by side, like, as if it's all happening at the same time. But she changes their stories because, I mean, that's very much protected information. So what I assume she did is. Is use their story as, like, a idea. And then she, like, created the same theme but through different things and change the names. Change the names. But I. You. I still don't. If those stories actually happened and she's told. She just changed the names. That seems kind of crazy. I would never. I don't know that I would do that.

[B]

Yeah. It's Lori Gottlieb, by the way, which they were gonna turn that book into an Amazon show. Did they?

[A]

Never happened. I don't.

[B]

I don't know why you can look

[A]

up what happened to that. Because that was years. That was like four or five years ago.

[B]

That was 2020, when that book became definitely Covid times.

[A]

But that's. Maybe that would take a lot of work. But I don't know how you would do that with these stories. It would take a lot of work. But I think that's how some people protect is they take the theme of what do I want people to get from this and they just like make up another story.

[B]

Okay, but it's like that's like a lot of work. Now there is something I've considered that you know about that. Remember the videos I got from that one person.

[A]

Oh my God. Wait a second. My brain was going somewhere else with what you were talking about. But that is content. We could all that.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. I. That's one where I think. No, I think we are thinking about the same stuff. Don't get me wrong. Of that I'll never say or that I can't say or I wouldn't.

[A]

Yeah, you can't because you won't.

[B]

I can't because I won't because I could.

[A]

You won't because you can't. But I could.

[B]

You could. I totally could. But then I would be a different person.

[A]

Yeah. If I did, I. I honestly wouldn't want you to do that.

[B]

Thank you. See, because you have expectations of me that I also have of myself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That would be me going to the basement at the bottom of the barrel.

[A]

Yes. Well, my parking lot thought was also where I got. Parking lot is when I used to do meetings with somebody that worked for me in order for us to stay on topic. Whenever I would go off topic, she would write put it in the parking lot and she would write it on my whiteboard.

[B]

Well yeah, but we don't have a whiteboard here. So we could put stuff in the parking lot all day long and not remember what the heck is in the parking lot. So do you even remember?

[A]

Yes. Well, you met. You reminded me when people write like their like memoirs and stuff and like their. When celebrities and stuff write like their tell all books or whatever, they air dirty laundry of other people. Like.

[B]

Well yeah.

[A]

I'm thinking of Jessica Simpson's book when she talks about John Mayer or Jen

[B]

Hatmaker recently talking about her husband.

[A]

Yeah. Like how. How do they not get I guess cease and desist from.

[B]

I don't know. Yes. That's what I think about when I think about what Jen shared. Her kids, her ex husband. I mean it's a lot. And she did a heavy book tour. Like she was on all kinds of talk shows and promoting it and I don't know I think she probably wrestled with that for a while, and then it was time for her to tell her story.

[A]

I just wonder. It's one thing that, like, I'm ready to tell this story, and it's another thing of, can you get sued for that?

[B]

I don't know. I mean.

[A]

I mean, if it's true. It's true. But also, like, yeah, what's her.

[B]

What's. What's her ex gonna do? She'd be like, literally, this is what happened.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, you.

[A]

You did this.

[B]

We're texting your girlfriend in bed next to me. Voice text.

[D]

What?

[B]

Yes, Voice text. I think he said something along the lines of, I can't quit.

[A]

You did she?

[B]

And she woke up.

[A]

Huh?

[B]

Oh, I know.

[A]

Okay. Well, anyway, you're talking about the videos.

[B]

So there are these videos I received at one point from somebody, and, man, they're entertaining.

[A]

Even if we could have just talked about them, we don't have to play them. But that was a wild.

[B]

Yeah, we definitely can't play them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But we could talk about them.

[A]

That was a wild time in your life.

[B]

Yeah, it really was, wasn't it? It was very interesting. And I just thought it's more so we could talk about them in a. Like a case study, sort of. Like, we analyze it and, like, let's look out for people like this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because this is scary.

[A]

And you could go back and look at. These are the signs that I overlooked. Yes.

[B]

Cat sort of saw them.

[A]

Sort of.

[B]

Okay. You definitely saw them. Cat saw them. This is some of those in my life that, like, honestly, I started to try to hide from Kat that we

[A]

didn't hang out as much. Yeah. Or talk as much.

[B]

But then when you. You would call me out on it, though, like, you would be like, are you hanging out with Da da da or.

[A]

Well, I snapped kind of one time I was on your birthday.

[B]

Yeah, I know. People are like.

[A]

And I felt bad about.

[B]

We don't know what y' all are talking about, so this is annoying.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

But we're. We're just saying sometimes your friends can see it before you do, so pay attention, because Kat saw it, and I was in la La land and ignored it.

[A]

Here's a question that this. I think people would appreciate knowing what you know now and knowing yourself and where you were. Would there have been anything that I could have done? Because my. The way I handled it is I just was like, she'll figure it out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I backed off.

[B]

And you backed off.

[A]

So is. Would you wanted me to do anything

[B]

else you backed off to me, but to this other person, you would be confrontational.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you would. You would.

[A]

They were too.

[B]

I know y' all both would. And it was awkward. And I was like, well, they don't like each other. This is interesting.

[A]

But is there, like.

[B]

Then he tried. He or she. This person.

[A]

They did.

[B]

They tried to tell me that you were a narcissist.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was like, what? What?

[A]

What?

[B]

But they were trying to persuade me to not like you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because that would be in their favor because then they could get away with more because you were the only one calling them out on their stuff. So therefore, if I think you're a narcissist and I start setting a boundary with you, they win.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I couldn't see that. I. I even said, you what? You don't know what you're talking about. There is no way that she's just not. And they were just trying to gaslight me into that.

[A]

Which kind of was a wake up call for you, I think.

[B]

Yeah. I'll never forget where we were. I remember what we were doing. Where we were exactly. We went on this hike and I remember the exact part of the trail where he told me, cats and narcissists. He or she.

[A]

Are they cats?

[B]

A narcissist? And I. I was like, what?

[A]

Which my. They had a different approach than me. My approach, I think I tried. I wasn't perfect, but I tried to only talk about them if you brought them up. Except that one time that I had the moment, I would only talk about them when you brought them up. And I tried not to set it if you weren't saying something about them. I was not. I wasn't going to throw my opinion out unless you were questioning something.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Until it got really bad. But is there, looking back, is that. Was that helpful for you or is there something that you wish I would have said or would that even have been helpful? Because you would have been like, what are you talking about?

[B]

I think me figuring it out on my own was really good and I needed to do it for myself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

However, if it had gone on long time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think I would have appreciated you intervening. Like, if I wasn't able to jump to the conclusion myself, you know, like, if. If another six months to a year had passed, I would have appreciate you being like, hey, me, can we talk?

[A]

Yeah. And if.

[B]

Because then that would have helped me if.

[A]

If worse things happened, I think I probably would have said more, but it was the things that were happening. Weren't like. It was more like we just had distance between us versus you were ruining your life, you know.

[B]

Yeah. Cool. Cool.

[A]

And we've all been there, so I can't judge you. I've acted. I've had those kinds of people in my life that I've also acted just like you were like. It's easy to.

[B]

Yeah. It was a. It was a season. It was a season. People come into your life for a reason. A season or a lifetime.

[A]

And I think they.

[B]

It was a reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a reason in a little season.

[A]

Anywho, if we could say more that would be real. If you could have talked about it. No, I don't think while it was happening you would want that. But yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Content. You could.

[B]

We'll leave it at that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's not even the best stuff. I mean, that's the one I would consider talking about. Cause I don't really care. There's other stories that are so epic, but I actually care about the other people involved. So that's why I would never.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Unless I had their permission. If I get their permission. Just wait. Buckle up.

[A]

Here we go.

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[F]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections and it's like, okay, yo yo yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that that deeply, emotionally affected me and I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah dude, me too.

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Not medical advice. Eligibility required. See site for details. All right, let's shift Gears a little. Okay, we got a voicemail from Sam in Boston. Here it is.

[A]

Hi, me and Kat. I was listening to your last episode when you were talking about the go bag. And that reminded me that I have an extra pair of eyeglasses in the back of my car because, like Kat, I am also legally blind. So if my contacts ever fall out of my eyes and I have to get to point A to point B, I literally would not be able to. To drive safely, and I'd be stuck wherever I was. So that's kind of a life hack tip to have an extra pair of glasses with you. Especially in my car, I have my glasses, and then in my purse, I always have an extra pair of contacts. But in the car, glasses, that's a must. All right. Hope you have the day you need to have. Bye. And this is Sam from Boston, and I'm 29.

[B]

I love that people are giving their ages. We have someone in their 20s.

[A]

Yes. That's the first thing that I was

[B]

gonna say, because on Tuesday you're like, can't wait to hear from our listeners that are in their 20s now. She's 29.

[A]

That's not Gen Z, is it?

[B]

She's probably turning 30 tomorrow. Happy birthday, Sam.

[A]

Happy birthday. Welcome to your 30s.

[B]

But that's gotta be cool that you've got someone just like you.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. That's actually really. I don't know why. I've never.

[B]

Do you keep an extra pair of glasses in your car?

[A]

No, I've never thought to do that. But I'm also. I've never had the thought that, like, my contact's gonna fall out while I'm driving. So again, new fear is unlocked. This is, like, just making me more anxious. But I guess there's a solution here. And I also have trouble driving at night with my glasses because I have astigmatism. So maybe I just need extra contacts in my car.

[B]

Yeah, she's got it all.

[A]

Yeah, she's got it all.

[B]

She's got her go bag. That's her go bag. She's ready to go with all that, which I. I do.

[A]

I feel less alone.

[B]

Yeah, I thought you might. Because she's also legally blind. Yeah. And that's you, right?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So is Patrick. So our kid's gonna have bad vision and what.

[B]

Or could your kid come out with the best vision?

[A]

20, 20 maybe, but I don't think so. We both. Me and Patrick both had glasses in elementary school.

[B]

Is that we all bonded over and y' all first started dating.

[A]

We're legally blind. Yeah. It's like, oh, I can't see. I can't see either. It's so cute. We're perfect for each other.

[B]

Well, y' all both had to grow up with glasses.

[A]

Yeah. I don't think that was traumatized. It's not like we trauma bonded over that. Like, oh, when you get glasses when you're really young, it's kind of cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I remember getting glasses in second grade and every. Or in third grade and second grade, and everybody was like, oh, my gosh.

[B]

I love how you're contemplating. I do that too. When we're telling a story and it's like, doesn't matter.

[A]

It doesn't matter.

[B]

It could be second grade, but then we're like, oh, shoot, was it third grade? And then to listeners, it doesn't matter. But I do the exact same thing.

[A]

But it was cool. The only thing that was hard about that is playing sports, because having glasses and playing like a contact sport is hard. Patrick went the route of he wore the sports goggles. I refused to do that, so my mom had to take me to the eye doctor. They had to hold me down and shove the contacts in my eyes. That was.

[B]

Think about that sounds traumatic.

[A]

Never. That was traumatic. They took me to the eye doctor maybe three or four times and tried to have me put the contact in my eye. Because my coach said, you either need to get contacts or you need to get these sports goggles. You can't play with your glasses anymore. Because I was getting into the more, I guess, premier whatever, but I couldn't do it. Imagine never of touching your eye and being like that just freaked me out.

[B]

I remember wanting glasses at one point so badly, and I didn't need them, but I went and I bought them, and I would wear them with.

[A]

Were they, like, just nothing glasses? Well, too bad it wasn't back in the day or now isn't back in the day where you can just get the red light glasses anywhere or the blue light. Blue light, blue light.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I didn't do that because I had glasses, but I wanted braces so bad. So sometimes I would put a paper clip going to the mall, taking a paperclip and undoing it and then putting it in my mouth. And so, like, my lips were kind of protruding. And I walked around the mall like that thinking, like, guys probably think I'm

[B]

so cute because you have braces.

[A]

I thought braces were so cool.

[B]

How'd that work out? Did you meet any guys?

[A]

Nobody talked to me.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Nobody we got an email from Heidi. Hey, I wanted to get some tips on mineral sunscreen. We have been using mineral sunscreen as a family for three years now. And we have tested out a variety to find the best. I don't know, safety during pregnancy. My babies are adopted through foster care. Shout out. Love that, Heidi. That being said, mineral sunscreen is way better for the reef and does less damage to living things in the water when you're at the beach. I did not know that.

[A]

That's news you can use.

[B]

Yeah, I never thought about that. We actually switched to mineral the first time we went to the US Virgin Islands because it's the law there to use mineral based only. Tip number one from Heidi, no spray. Some people like it and we have some that we use in a pinch for a small area. I can back that up. No spray.

[A]

Why don't you like the spray?

[B]

The spray is what caused little bumps all over my back and I swear I could never get it off of me. I. I was trying all kinds of soap. It just always felt like I had this layer of film on my back and I only used it on my back. So that's how I know that's the area because the rest of my body felt fine. And then these little bumps just started develop on my back and I had to get special soap for back acne.

[A]

Well, I would will say spray mineral sunscreen. There's no point because you still have to rub it in. Regular sun sunscreen. At least there's a point to it.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

But if it's giving you bumps, then yeah, no bueno.

[B]

Tip number two, use a small amount at a time. Since it is so thick. I've learned that if you get enough in one shot for your whole body, it will take forever to get covered. If you do a small amount at a time, it goes on easier.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Tip three, Mineral based sunscreen can stain swimsuits if you aren't careful. It leaves a white chalky residue that's hard to remove, so be warned. Tip four, I hardly ever get it totally rubbed in. So I've decided we're all just a little whiter than normal when we wear sunscreen. You can absolutely get it fully rubbed in, but I don't have the patience for that. And then she linked her very favorite. She goes, hope this helps in your sunscreen adventures this summer.

[A]

I don't like that last tip though, because it does make you look white.

[B]

You know, the one that she linked is called Australian Gold Botanical. It's a white bottle with gold leaves and she said that's her go to. And it's on Amazon and it's. Oh, the link she sends. Currently unavailable, but I'm sure you can find it somewhere else.

[A]

Yeah, I'll find it. I think that's really interesting about the Virgin Islands that you have to use. Like, how do they enforce that? Do you get, like, arrested if they see you putting on non mineral sunscreen?

[B]

Maybe, Maybe not arrested, but you get to take it.

[A]

There's people literally that are on the beach looking for people. Like, maybe people are just more respectful too. Like they care about the environment.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know?

[B]

Huh.

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Well, thank you for that because I do need those tips and I do need the recommendations.

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Yes, thank you for that, Heidi. I don't know yet, but I think we'll need sunscreen when we go on our trip. If we. If we. I. The reason why I don't know is because we don't know yet if we're for sure going. But if we take our little trip together that we're talking about.

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Yeah.

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I don't really see us, like, laying out or being in the sun, but we would be in a hot place.

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Yeah, I can wear the face. Sunscreen is no problem for me, but

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I would be under an umbrella. Like, if we go to the pool. My son just got home from school and I told him, isn't that so cute? I don't know if y' all could hear him. You probably couldn't. But he just walked in and he goes, hey, hey, hey. And I told him the other day, I was like, I love when you come home from school and you're like,

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He does it a lot. Not every day, but he does it a lot. But I just told him this week how much I love it. And so he just walked in and that's what he did. Isn't that so cute?

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Yeah, it is.

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He's 15.

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Yeah.

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That's what he does. Hey, Mom, I'm home.

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Hey.

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How was school today? Good. Okay. All right. Isn't it crazy to think you got a little baby inside your belly, that one day we'll be coming home from school being like hey, hey hey, that's great.

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Hopefully she'll come home that cheerful to see me 15 year old girls. That's not how I was coming home from school.

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Yeah, no, me neither.

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Oh, there is a rough. I had a rough couple years with my mom when I was in high school.

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