FEELING THINGS - Solo-Maxxing, Flirting Instead of Complaining, and Voicemails That'll Make You Laugh

Summary

The Bobby Bones Show – FEELING THINGS: Solo-Maxxing, Flirting Instead of Complaining, and Voicemails That’ll Make You Laugh

Episode Date: June 6, 2026
Hosts: Amy & Kat

Episode Overview

In this episode, Amy and Kat explore the theme of “Feeling Things,” diving into everything from home renovations and nursery paint dilemmas, to the cultural trend of “solo maxxing” (choosing and optimizing singlehood), and the nuances of modern dating, including the impact of AI. The episode finishes with a hilarious and surprisingly heartfelt segment on relationships and bodily functions, featuring listener voicemails about farting in front of partners.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Feelings of the Day: Renovations & Mood Boosters

• Timestamps: 03:00 – 12:00
• Amy starts the show excited about a trip to Canyon Ranch and being asked for a sorority recommendation letter. This prompts reflection on feeling like a “fraud” as a less-involved member.

“I just have these feelings of, like, a fraud, because I really wasn’t that active. So I feel like, should I really even write this letter?” – Amy (03:30)

• Kat shares she’s cranky due to living through home renovations, which disrupt the household and cause inconvenience:

“All I want is a watermelon and an apple. But I couldn’t leave my house because I was waiting for somebody to show up.” – Kat (07:28)

• Discussion shifts to food mood-boosters (Chick-fil-A kale salad and nuggets) and the emotional rollercoaster of picking nursery paint or wallpaper. Kat debates the merits of “Hushed Auburn”, a trendy yet ambiguous color.
• Tips for choosing long-lasting, versatile nursery decor, especially when planning for future kids.

2. Home Beautification Tips

• Timestamps: 12:00 – 13:10 and 36:00 – 39:00
• Light bulbs are harder to pick than you’d expect as an adult—2700 Kelvin is the key for warm, comfortable indoor lighting!
• “Light bulbs are one of the things that I did not realize would be so confusing as an adult…” – Amy (36:33)
• Amy’s sister is consulted as the household “light bulb expert.”

3. Solo-Maxxing: Embracing Singlehood

• Timestamps: 13:14 – 33:18
• The phenomenon of “solo maxxing” is discussed—intentionally choosing singlehood as a satisfying, fulfilled lifestyle.
• Amy explains:

“The solo maxing trend is about choosing to be single. It reframes singlehood as something desirable, which I am all for.” (15:47)

• Stats from a 2025 Pew Research study:
  • 86% of adults 18–24 and 42% of people 25–39 are single—a significant rise since 1990 (17:45).
• Kat wrestles with whether she wants to solo-max or pursue partnership:

“I could get too comfortable, but I watched my mom do that, and I don’t want to turn into my mom. ... I think I do desire being with somebody.” (31:58)

• Conversation about dating app fatigue, inflation, and recent changes at Bumble—AI “B” assistant, swipe removal, and a greater emphasis on compatibility questions.
• Exploration of unhealthy “looks maxing” trends (bone smashing, meth use), contrasted with the positive aspects of solo-maxxing.

Notable Quote:

“If you want to be single, it’s okay to choose that, right?” – Amy (31:36)
“There’s options.” – Kat (33:14)

4. Modern Dating: Flirting v. Complaining (& Shady Dating Books)

• Timestamps: 34:24 – 42:16
• Amy brings up advice that flirting (instead of complaining) is supposedly more effective in “locking in a man,” and both hosts try (unsuccessfully) to practice the “OMG, baby. Do I have to punish you?” line.

“Another woman says, omg, baby, do I have to punish you? You already know which one gets everything she wants, and it’s the flirty one.” (34:30)

• Discussion of other relationship and attraction tips:
  • Take care of yourself before obsessing over his texts.
  • Create a cozy, inviting home (see: 2700 Kelvin bulbs).
  • Value your partner, don’t need them to “save” you.
  • Express emotions without spiraling; let your partner handle things sometimes.
• Comparison to old-school books like “Why Men Love Bitches,” with Kat’s take:

“You might be able to get a guy, but what kind of guy are you going to get? And then when are you allowed to be yourself?” (41:20)

• Emphasis on being authentic in relationships for long-term compatibility.

5. AI, Romance, and Authenticity

• Timestamps: 18:07 – 28:50
• Fascinating detour to Esther Perel’s work on modern relationship expectations and a recent podcast involving a client “dating” an AI partner.
• Kat and Amy discuss the implications of AI-powered dating (Bumble, social skills, and even AI chat partners), including skeptical reactions to the reality of AI relationships.

“For the guy…while she didn’t have a body, she was pretty perfect for him in a lot of ways. Wasn’t ever going to let him down, wasn’t going to cheat on him…” – Kat (20:45)

• Reflection on the risks of learning intimacy via AI—easier, but not real; may impair real-life relationship skills.

6. Relationship Studies & Social Science Fun

• Timestamps: 47:55 – 51:25
• A man’s six-year Wheel of Fortune research project is shared: husbands who introduced “my beautiful wife” had much lower divorce rates than those who said just “my wife.”

“Men with nothing nice to say divorced at nearly three times the rate within five years.” – Kat (49:23)

• The power of public affirmation, even in small ways, is highlighted.

7. Genuine Acts v. Performative Social Media

• Timestamps: 53:38 – 58:15
• Touching viral story: a woman texts her deceased dad’s number for years, only to receive a reply from the new number-holder, who had lost his own daughter—sparking conversation on real versus AI/generated “heartwarming” content.
• Exploration of how much intimate or “good deed” content online is staged for views versus genuine.

“A life can be Photoshopped. An interaction can be Photoshopped.” – Kat (58:16)

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Listener Voicemails: Relationship Realness (and Farts)

Timestamps: 59:00 – End

Segment Overview

The episode ends with a listener-favorite topic: bodily gas in relationships. Four entertaining voicemails from around the country capture a range of perspectives on farting (and burping) in front of partners.

Mindy from Kansas (59:23)

“I will silently do it if I need to… if I need to roll the window down, if we’re in the car…I think it’s just in our DNA. Dad, let it rip… Mom was always silent.”
– Mindy highlights the generational, gendered approach to partner poots.

Tara from Virginia (60:55)

“If you’re in a relationship with someone, you should be able to be your full and complete self… I can’t imagine not having gas in front of my husband. That would be a long time of holding gas in.”
– Tara, 54, on radical acceptance.

Sam from Boston (62:49)

“I do not fart in front of him, nor have I ever farted in front of my partners before him…In general, I don’t like being vulnerable, and I can fully admit that.” – Sam, 29, brings in family tradition and the value of “mystery” in relationships.

Katie from Oklahoma (65:33)

“The other day in the car, [my daughter] was just like, ‘Oh, I really have to fart.’ And I was mortified internally—but then loving it because she was comfortable enough in front of him…It’s a personality thing, honestly.”
– Katie shares generational and personality variations.

Host Reflections:

• The diversity of opinions on “tooting” in relationships is large—many women still opt for subtlety or secrecy, while some prize full transparency as intimacy.
• The subject becomes a humorous marker for comfort, boundaries, and vulnerability in relationships.
• “We hope you can let it out if you need to, and wherever you are, we hope you have the day you need to have.” – Kat (69:00)

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Memorable / Notable Quotes

• “Sometimes the best thing you can do is just stop and feel things.” – Amy (02:48)
• “[Solo maxxing is] about choosing to be single. It reframes singlehood as something desirable…” – Amy (15:47)
• “You might be able to get the partner by pretending you’re somebody else, but then you don’t ever win... It’s better to be yourself.” – Kat (46:43)
• "Light bulbs are one of the things that I did not realize would be so confusing as an adult." – Amy (36:33)
• “For the guy, while she didn’t have a body, she was pretty perfect for him in a lot of ways.” – Kat (20:45)
• “We are giving people a place to process something that they really want to process.” – Amy (62:00)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Start Time | |---------------------------------------|------------| | Show open & feelings of the day | 02:37 | | Nursery design & home improvement | 07:59 | | Solo-maxxing & dating culture | 13:14 | | Esther Perel, AI & relationships | 18:07 | | Flirting v. complaining; dating tips | 34:24 | | Relationship study (Wheel of Fortune) | 47:55 | | Authenticity v. performative acts | 53:38 | | Farting in relationships: voicemails | 59:00 |

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Episode Tone & Style

The tone is warm, candid, and relatable, with the hosts supporting and teasing each other amidst a mix of practical advice, cultural commentary, and everyday humor. The show leans into vulnerability, normalization of quirks, and encouragement for listeners to be themselves—in decorating, dating, and digesting life’s odd moments.

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Summary

This episode is a rich tapestry of modern womanhood: working out relationship roles, making a home, navigating dating trends both solo and in search of partnership, and, above all, granting permission to feel things—all the way down to those silly, universal bodily functions. Come for the home reno commiseration, stay for the entertaining deep-dives on solo-maxxing and the world’s most wholesome farts.

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[A]

Ladies and fellas, we just follow in

[B]

the spirit where it tell us from

[A]

the real stuff to the chill stuff and the in between. Sometimes the best thing you can do

[B]

is just stop and feel things.

[A]

This is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat.

[B]

Happy Tuesday. Welcome to Feeling Things. I'm Amy and I'm Kat and my feeling of the day is pumped.

[A]

I need to know why you're pumped. Because I need some of that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, cuz cats, I did not come in here pumped.

[B]

Cat's cranky. Well, that's her words, not mine. She said that when she came in. I don't think you're cranky. I don't.

[A]

You didn't argue with me when I said, add cranky to the list.

[B]

Well, yeah, I'll just do mine because it's real quick. I'm pumped that I think we have solidified our trip to Canyon Ranch. Oh, yeah. Okay, so shout out.

[A]

Feel that, too.

[B]

Then Lauren, my friend that works for Canyon Ranch, who was a sorority sister of mine, Kappa Kappa Gamma. Hey. Which I just got a letter or an email from my friend's daughter who's going through rush, and she's asking me to write her a letter of recommendation for the Kappa house. And I was like, oh, I can't recall anybody ever asking me for a rec letter in all my years. But I guess I'm finally getting to that stage where my friends are having kids that are that age. And then also, I have these feelings of, like, a fraud, because I really wasn't that active. So I feel like, should I really even write this letter? I was a Kappa. Like, I really was. But there are more qualified Kappas to maybe write the letter, but I don't think they care as long as you were a member.

[A]

I think it's more. Do you know that this person is, like, a good person versus, like, how involved were you in your sorority?

[B]

Yeah. Okay, cool.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

Well, I just feel like they might open it up. Like, even though it's not even my school, like, she's going to Alabama. I went to A and M. And as long as it's just because I'm a Kappa, she can. I can write that letter for her there. So they won't know anything about me. But I feel like they. I don't know. They have some database where they're like, oh, this person. They would skip meetings. They're lame.

[A]

I don't think they're keeping tabs on you. I think it's. She's got to let her check. Okay. It's like a thing you just have to do.

[B]

Check the box. Yeah. It's a whole list of stuff which Alabama Rush. Like, it makes you think of the TikTok. TikTok stuff.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

I'm like, good luck.

[A]

I was going to say, well, and remember, didn't we talk about this on. I think we talked about it on the podcast. Why I Didn't go to Alabama.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Which I'm not gonna repeat that in case this girl's listening. I don't want to scare her. Sororities are so fun. Yay. You'll meet so many great people.

[B]

So what are your feelings of the day?

[A]

Okay, feeling on one side, torn and confused, yet excited. And then I've been cranky. I'll just get that out of the way. I'm cranky because I've been. How do I say this? Managing. But I'm not really managing. I just have some house. I think last week I was saying I was excited because I was getting my floors redone and now you're cranky about it.

[B]

I think anybody that experiences. I'll speak for you a little bit here, but I was talking to a friend the other day about a home renovation and how she was like, I will never live in a house while it's being renovated again. I don't know why I thought I could do that. And I lived through this house, redid so much while I was living here, but I didn't have another choice. Now some people might be able to go rent somewhere else and have that, but you're living in your home while all of your floors are being torn up. It's an It. It might cause a little crankiness just because of the inconvenience, but it'll pass. And then you'll be so happy that you got your floors done.

[A]

Oh, it'll be so worth it.

[B]

Like I was sleeping in my kitchen for like the first three weeks that I lived in this house. Yes.

[A]

Well, so we have to go to my parents for the next couple days because they're doing our. They're staining our steps. I just didn't realize the process, I think. But like, I mean, I'm not. I don't work in construction, so. But yeah, we can't walk up. You know, I don't. And the steps have been confusing to me. Anyway, we can't walk upstairs. I can't go back upstairs. So I have to go to my parents house. The cragginess was also. I think I just was hungry because I've had chick fil A and now I'm feeling a little better.

[B]

You are. You have a different. Ever since you ate your Chick Fil A, which I will say you were excited to discover a new Chick Fil A order. Yeah, see, from my eyeballs you were just eating the kale salad and then some nuggets on the side.

[A]

I was breaking up a couple nuggets. And put it in the kale salad,

[B]

and it was delish.

[A]

I wish you could get the kale salad bigger because it just comes as a little side. But it's so good. Whatever dressing they put on is so good. So, yeah, the kale salad with chicken nuggets on it.

[B]

And then I also like regular chicken nuggets, not grilled.

[A]

Yes. I'm out on the grilled right now. And then I also got a little side of fruit because all I wanted. I think maybe this is why I was cranky. I even texted Patrick this. All I want is a watermelon and an apple. But I couldn't leave my house because I was waiting for somebody to show up. And so then I got the side of fruit because I had apples. That might have been my crankiness.

[B]

So you just needed a little watermelon?

[A]

Just needed some fruit. Okay.

[B]

It's okay. You're pregnant. It makes sense.

[A]

Yeah. Well, then. Okay. So I'm torn and confused. My other feeling, because I'm. This also part of the renovations, but I don't now. I would call this renovation. We're painting the nursery. You've picked out paint colors before?

[B]

Mm, I sure have.

[A]

It's so confusing. I picked out a color I thought was pink. I got home, put it on the wall, and looks brown.

[B]

Right. Well, the lighting makes the big difference.

[A]

And yeah. So I'm. I'm just torn on what colors. If you've heard of the color hushed auburn and you used it and you've loved it, let me know. Hushed auburn in some pictures online. A lot of people use it for baby nurseries because it is a. It looks like a mauvy color, but it actually is more brown. But depending on what it's next to, it will pick up more pinks or will pick up more browns. So I really wanted to use that.

[B]

It reminds me of dead salmon.

[A]

Oh, but you didn't like that.

[B]

No, I like dead salmon. I have it in my game room bathroom.

[A]

I thought you said you would have.

[B]

I just would have done. I love the dead salmon. I would have just done the. That bathroom. Something different. I don't think I needed to put the dead salmon in there.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I hate the name of that.

[B]

I know, but hushed auburn is. I like it.

[A]

Well, because I didn't want. My thing is I don't. I'm not a pink person. So I was trying to go pinkish, but not it be like pink in your face, because I was afraid I would get tired of that. But then on the wall, it looks kind of brown. So I don't know. I'm torn and confused, obviously, but also excited because we're getting so close to, like, it being so many feelings.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, if you've used Hush Auburn, please let me know and you've liked it. If you've also. If you've hated it and you said it was a mistake, let me know.

[B]

I. I guess I thought you were doing wallpaper.

[A]

I was going to.

[B]

Okay. Because when I was over there, you were showing me, like, all the samples were taped up on the wall and they're all. And you were. Yeah. You were like, ignore all of those. They're awful. And there I was like, okay.

[A]

You probably were like, thank you, God. And then I got one more. I said I would order one more

[B]

sample

[A]

because it was really cute and it had swans on it. And I was like, oh, her room could be, like, swan themed.

[B]

I will say, depending on how long you're going to want that wallpaper. Wallpaper is so expensive and so many people that wallpaper. Nurseries. I'm like, you better. Or I would need to. Unless they're fine with just swapping it out or ripping it down or painting over it. Not that big of a deal. But, like, I would want the wallpaper.

[A]

You gotta love it. For a long time.

[B]

Yeah, for a long time.

[A]

So I figured the reason I'm not doing wallpaper is because of that.

[B]

Like, if you make it too baby centric. I mean, like, yeah, like, if you like the swans into her younger years. And I thought maybe if she, like. Like, it could be cute forever.

[A]

She could, like, until she's like.

[B]

But I guess swans I would really like. But if you were gonna do, like, storks. Delivering a baby.

[A]

No, the most. The cutest nursery wallpaper is like, baby. So, like, it. It was hard to find one that I wanted to put in there that would last. But then my thought is, I think if we have another kid, it'll hopefully be a boy. Because, you know, we can pick the gender. It's the one benefit of science. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Of doing ivf. But that. That's. That room would be the nursery again because it has a huge closet that I built a changing table into, so I didn't want to have to. Then I was like, well, then I'm have to redo boy wallpaper.

[B]

Okay, then keep hushed auburn. If it's brown, then you just make it a little more western, like hushed auburn. You can make it more elegant with, like, the pinks. If. And then when it's a boy, make it more rustic.

[A]

Did you just solve my problem?

[B]

I think so. Wait, that's a. Yeah, I think that's totally. I'm love what I'm seeing online of Hush Dahlberg, and I love it. I think that there's plenty of accenting you can do around it. That is stuff that you won't care about if after a year you're sick of it because it's cheaper ways to incorporate the. Some pink tones, but then your overall main color is versatile.

[A]

Yeah. We need to get your sister's input on this, too. She's good at that stuff.

[B]

I'm not gonna.

[A]

Oh, no, you're good. I just.

[B]

I know. I take it back. No, I was just being a little sassy. I know. My sister is way better. She might actually even have input on a color that she's like, oh, I use this on a project. You would really like it. And it's versatile.

[A]

Okay. I feel so much. I feel like a weight was just.

[B]

But I think just knowing you, like, let's just make it easy. And like, you're not gonna wanna. After you've got a baby and then potentially another one on the way, you're not gonna be wanting to rethink.

[A]

You don't have to feel cranky again.

[B]

But then I know if you are cranky, I just need to get you some kale salad and some chicken nuggets and you'll be good to go.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Well, thanks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm glad we talked about this.

[B]

No problem. Maybe we solved that problem for some other people, too. They're looking up hushed auburn right now, and they're like. Or they're. Or dead salmon.

[A]

I. Hushed auburn is all over TikTok. I will say that. So I guess it's a thing. Okay. Okay. So something that I think you might be interested in. Well, I don't want to put that on you. I'll let you decide. Okay. It's called solo maxing. Have you.

[B]

Well, everything's maxing these days.

[A]

Everything's maxing.

[B]

Color maxing.

[A]

Which looks? Maxine.

[B]

Those are the people where they are maximizing their looks, but they do dangerous things. It's not good. There's a looks master on Tick Tock. Well, or like meth. You know, the looks maxer on Tick Tock, where he's a model, but he, like, injects like, meth for his looks. But that's only going to last so long for him because I think eventually meth catches up to you and the looks are not.

[A]

Wait, wait, wait.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What does meth do.

[B]

Well, I didn't know we were gonna be talking about this, so I don't know the specifics. I just know he was under fire for his looks maxing techniques and that a lot of people are following him and it's dangerous because the stuff he's doing to look chiseled and have the chiseled jawline and look a certain way is not healthy. And so that's all I know about looks maxing. And then what is it that I'm trying to do with my Oura ring where I'm like, sleep maxing?

[A]

Yeah, but optimization of your sleep cycle.

[B]

So maybe it's optimaxing or something. But there's people, they're trying to optimize life and they're maxing at it and it's making it. Making their life miserable.

[A]

You know, I wasn't gonna bring this up, but I might as well. So I talk about this podcast a lot. Be there in five. Kate Kennedy, she just put out. I haven't listened to this episode yet. That's why I wasn't going to bring it up. But she just put up an episode about optimization and how like so many people are trying to optimize everything in their lives. The best sleep, the best food, the best this, the best that. And it's also weird at the same time. We're like some of the unhappiest cohort of people that. And so sometimes when you are so obsessed with. Let's just go with the sleep when people get so obsessed. And I will say I'm somebody who. I have to be careful with that kind of stuff because I can become obsessed with all of that data as well. But when you become so engrossed in it and instead of getting the benefit, you're. You become more worried about, am I going to keep the benefit or am I going to have the benefit? So just something to think about. And I do highly recommend anybody going to listen to be there in five, because she does. I think she had a guest on this episode too to talk about it. But she usually talks about, like pop culture, like things in the. That are happening now. And she has really. I like her takes on things. Anyway, we're not optimist optimizing. We are solo maxing.

[B]

Well, so what is that? So we're.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So I'm supposed to go all in on being solo.

[A]

So kind of. I mean. Yes. So I guess people are. The solo maxing trend is about choosing to be single. It reframes singlehood as something desirable, which I am all for. I think that is wonderful. And it said. This article that I read was saying that inflation and dating app fatigue may be contributing to this trend by making dating more unattractive. Because, I mean, anybody who's done dating apps, they'll probably roll their eyes talking about doing dating apps. I mean, I met my husband on dating apps, and I never want to do a dating app again. So I think now people are trying to bring peace and stability to their life, so they're going all in on, like, I'm solo maxing. So I am purposely being single. And it's not, like, avoiding, like, I don't want to. Like, I'm nervous to date or I am scared or I'm this or that. It's. I really want my life to be centered around me working on myself and putting myself first, then, like, searching for a partner.

[B]

So am I already kind of doing that, though?

[A]

Well, that's why I thought this would be interesting. Interesting because sometimes I'm like, do you want to date or do you not? So this article said, solo maxing is about choosing to be single. It reframes singlehead as something desirable rather than, oh, I'm sorry that you can't find anyone yet holding pattern. Post on Tik Tok, Instagram and other social media platforms, tag Solo Maxine to put out the benefits of not only being single, but staying single. And this was interesting. The emergence of Solo Maxine is coinciding with an apparent rise in singlehood. A 2025 Pew Research center survey found 86% of adults 18 to 24 years of age and 42% of people 25 to 39 were single. Compared to in 1990, only 29 of those people 25 to 54 were single. So that's a huge difference from 45 to 29.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Crazy. Which I think there's a lot of.

[B]

Well, for much of my life, I wasn't single.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then now I'm single again. Like, I was single and then married.

[A]

Do you want to be single or what do you. What do you.

[B]

No, I think I. I would like to date. It's interesting because I just saw Oprah had. Do you know this person? Esther Pearl or. Oh, see, I don't even know how to say her name.

[A]

Yeah, but she was a pretty last name, too.

[B]

Well, I just saw P E R E L. Yeah. Perel.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you know her work? Okay.

[A]

She has a great book. I don't know if it's her most recent book, but it's called the State of Affairs. It's about affairs.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

But it reframes a lot of it. She talks a lot about how why a lot of affairs happen is because in our culture specifically, we're taught that, like, a partner should be everything. They should financially support you emotionally, they should be your best friend, they should be the social part of your life. But historically, marriage was like, for one thing, like, historically, marriage was for. I mean, it was a business agreement back in the day. And so now people expect to have it all, but rarely do you find a relationship that has it all just a very, very interesting perspective.

[B]

Yeah. Well, she was talking about how in relationships, what we're expecting from our partners and how exhausting that must be. And even on first dates, we're setting oursel up for failure and how we go about our dates and introducing people into our lives, sort of performative, one on one. Like all this pressure and talk, talk, talk, instead of inviting someone, like, into something you're already doing for the day. Come with me. Be a part of my life for a first date.

[A]

What would that look like?

[B]

I think this was just a social media clip I saw. But also I saw her post on Oprah's podcast about how she recently on her podcast, was helping a client and their partner, and their partner was AI it was her first session with a human and an artificial intelligence. And I was like, here we have lost the plot. Yeah, I was like, you engaged? Yeah, I feel like I'd be like, yeah. No, but I mean, it was interesting. She said she loaded up as a podcast. You could go listen to it if you're into that.

[A]

But wait, so the podcast is with the AI?

[B]

Well, she was telling Oprah about a recent podcast she did with a guy and his partner who happened to be AI And I thought, oh, gosh, Lord, I will solo Max the rest of my life. Like, I. I would rather solo Max than fall in love with this computer program. But for the guy who he was dating, it was now, while she didn't have a body, she was pretty perfect for him in a lot of ways. Like, wasn't ever going to let him down, wasn't going to leave him, wasn't going to cheat on him, would say just exactly what he needed.

[A]

That's not reality.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And there was a podcast, I think I sent this to you. This was probably one or two years ago about somebody falling in love with AI

[B]

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[A]

I think I sent this to you. This is probably one or two years ago about somebody falling in love with AI and she had another partner, too. Oh, my gosh, I forgot about that. This woman had a. She might have been married, and then she. Her. They were separate. They were living separately. So her husband was like, it's okay if you date AI, but then she fell in love with AI. But one of the problems was because of the algorithm or whatever, your AI Chatbot resets every once in a while. So every however many prompts you have, you have to reteach your chatbot, who they are. And I say one of the problems, that's probably not the biggest problem there. But that, I mean, that in itself, your. Your partner can't last forever.

[B]

Yeah. I just looked this up because I thought I heard her say this on Oprah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I wanted to fact check it. And this is from the Independent and it said nearly a third of Americans have had a romantic relationship with an AI chatbot, according to a study. And yeah, sure. Sure enough she did. I was like, did she say a third?

[A]

Sure enough she did. Well, they are also saying in that podcast how like. And I don't know what the programs are, but like, I think that stat probably comes a lot from the younger generations that are using AI more because they're using them to like, learn how to date and like, learn how to like, be intimate and talk intimately with people. But then the problem is that's not real. And so then you learn through this AI experience. There's some program that people that some dating AI program that they were talking about. I wish I had all of the information on this. But then the problem is that like, then you get out to the real world and you are trying to date real people and it doesn't go that way or you just get used to the. I mean, dating is so scary. It is a scary thing. And so if I could stay in the comfort of my computer and get my like in quotes needs met, I would probably choose that if that's what I grew up knowing. Versus we didn't grow up. AI was introduced to us later.

[B]

So I, I just had a thought pop into my head about Bumble. Cause I saw a quick little blurb about how they're doing their dating now and they've gotten rid of the swipe. Oh. Users are now encouraged to share deeper personal details so that Bumble's AI can see, can suggest more compatible matches. And the AI powered assistant called B, like Bumblebee is going to give them a very personalized way to connect. But they're not going to be swiping anymore.

[A]

So they just give you people and you, I guess, message them or don't.

[B]

It's an AI driven dating experience.

[A]

Goodbye to the swiping.

[B]

I don't know. I need to read more about it. That was just something I saw quickly. And when we started talking about it, I was like, oh, I'm going to kind of look it up. And when I'm thinking about my solo maxing and getting back on any dating apps, if I choose to do it, like, would it be Hinge, Would it be Bumble? I never did Bumble, but I did do Hinge.

[A]

What made you choose Hinge over Bumble?

[B]

Well, you met Patrick on Hinge.

[A]

Yeah, but I was on both.

[B]

Oh, so did you like Bumble?

[A]

Bumble was different than it was. The reason I liked Hinge back then is because you had all of these different prompts. And you could message somebody off of a prompt versus just, like, their picture. I don't know if Bumble is what it's like now. They might have updated to.

[B]

Well, I know they've done this whole new AI assistant thing. And I did see some people complaining about it online, how they didn't want, like, AI interacting with their dating. Yeah, they wanted to be the ones doing it. So I don't know. I don't know enough about it to really speak to what.

[A]

But I'll say this. The changes Bumble made, I was on both of them. Most of the same people are on both. So if you have one, you're probably fine. I mean, I think Patrick had Bumble too.

[B]

But on Bumble, women had the.

[A]

On Bumble, it was, you match, and then the woman has 24 hours to message the guy. Else the match disappear, disappears. Which. That was a good. That was smart. Because then it kind of forces people, like, do it or don't. Like, if you want to talk to this person, you need to message them now. Don't wait three weeks after you've matched, which was a problem a lot of times, I think. And then once you message the guy, then you guys can talk back and forth versus Hinge. Anybody could message anybody. But it wasn't just like. I mean, you could just like somebody's picture. But I liked when somebody sent me a message to, like, a prompt that I wrote. So it didn't feel as. I mean, it's all pretty superficial, but it didn't feel as superficial.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, I looked at the looks maxing guy, just to make sure I got some of that right. And his name is Braden Eric Peters, but he's known online as clavicular or. I don't know how you say it. How am I not hearing that? Well, he's an online streamer, Internet personality and influencer. He became known in 2025 on TikTok and Kick for his looks maxing content, which commentators have described as extreme and controversial, particularly for his advocacy of practices including facial bone smashing, taking anabolic steroids, and using crystal meth as an appetite suppressant.

[A]

Oh, that's what.

[B]

So I thought he was, like, putting the meth in his face, but I guess he was doing. That was bone smashing.

[A]

Oh, my.

[B]

Like, whatever that is called or whatever that means. It's called bone smashing, but I don't know what you have to do. Oh, it's a pseudo scientific practice involving hitting one's bones with a hammer or one's Fist in order to have them grow back stronger. And taking crystal meth to surprise. Oh, I see.

[A]

I don't recommend any of this.

[B]

None of this.

[A]

Yeah, I can, I can get down with a solo Maxine. I don't. I'm not getting down with cavicular's Maxine.

[B]

I know. It's like some stuff I can't remember. And I was like, pretty much, I got a lot of this right. I thought a little bit of it wrong. I thought he was injecting the meth into his face. But I'm like, why can't I recall more important things? Why. Why do I have to remember some of the things that'll look the looks Maxer does.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, thank you for letting me know about solo maxing.

[A]

Yeah. And it has a lot of benefits. So if you, I mean, save money brings more peace, develop other parts of your life, help you become more independent. I feel like you're pretty independent and allows you to avoid dating apps. So if you're looking for any of those things, just know if you want to be single, it's okay to choose that, right?

[B]

Solo maxing, I can choose that for myself. I've told you before, I think I'm okay with it. And I could get too comfortable, but I watched my mom do that and I don't want to turn into my mom. So that's a fine line. Yeah. I think I do desire being with somebody.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I saw Chelsea Handler talking about how like she doesn't want to be in a long term relationship. Like, she's just. She wants to date. Maybe she'll date him for like four years. I think was her longest relationship ever. Well, I don't know ever. But in recent that she was talking about like, I don't know how far back she's going with her dating history, but she was like, look, ever since she decided she was going to live this way.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Four years was long enough for her. But she kind of goes into the dating relationship very upfront of I.

[A]

This isn't gonna.

[B]

I might date other people. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know that that's for me. It sounds like date maxing, but I want to find like a, a happy medium. Like, do I want to be that? I don't think so. Do I want to be alone? I don't think so. So the middle to me would be finding somebody.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

So. But I'm thankful for people sharing their experiences because watching her say that clip, like, then I get to reflect. Is that a way That I want to live.

[A]

There's options.

[B]

There's options. And then you're telling me about solo maxing. Like, is that a way that I want to live? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And for anybody listening, like, I think that a lot of times being single is looked at as like. And I felt this for a long time, too. It's like there's something wrong with you or you. You can't get it together, or like, you're boohoo. You know, back in the day, they called them. What were they?

[B]

The.

[A]

The single ladies, the. I wanted to say spindlers, but.

[B]

Oh, spinster.

[A]

Spinster. Yes, Spinsters. And it was like a plague on them almost.

[B]

They. Kristen Hannah talks about them in the Four winds.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Spencer's.

[A]

You liking that book?

[B]

Yeah, I finished it. Love it.

[A]

Wait, pause. Were you confused when it ended? Well, yo, you read it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so you knew it was the last page. Never mind. I was confused when it ended. I thought there was more. Anyway, yeah. Back in the day, you. It was a plague to be single. And now, like, it is a fine thing if you want to live your life that way. You can live a wonderful, beautiful life now if you don't want to. That's another thing.

[B]

I did see this thing about how if you're wanting to lock in a

[A]

man, so maybe this is more up your alley.

[B]

Yeah. You need to flirt instead of complain. Like, this was an example that she gave. It was Laura Catella. One woman may say, you're late and be all annoyed by it. Another woman says, omg, baby. Do I have to punish you? You already know which one gets everything she wants, and it's the flirty one. So that's a way to flirt. Wait a second. Can I not pull it off? Okay, try it again.

[A]

Try it one more time. Omg, baby.

[B]

Okay, okay, okay.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

Okay. If you're trying to lock in a man, you can either be the girl that's like, you're late, or you can be like, omg, baby. Do I have to punish you? Those are the two options.

[A]

I think it's the baby. I can't ever see being like, baby, you're late.

[B]

I know, but that's supposed to be flirting.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[B]

Another way to lock in a guy is tend to yourself before you think about him. Okay, so go out for a walk before you check if he texted you, for example, like, instead of being obsessed with your phone and has to hit you back, like, go take care of yourself. Do things that are going to be good for you. Elevate your environment. Play good music, have warm lights, clean scents.

[A]

I thought you were gonna say clean sheets.

[B]

No, clean smells that makes him want to be over or be there with you over anywhere else. Okay, so it's the vibe, which I keep seeing. Maybe this is my algorithm lately. Is it light bulbs in your algorithm. And I don't know why they keep popping up, but there are videos over and over about I need light bulb the kelvin. 2700. Let me Google if that's right.

[A]

Light bulbs are one of the things that I did not realize would be so confusing as an adult of like how to get the right light bulbs for your house.

[B]

2700 kelvin. That's the only kind of light color

[A]

you need in the house.

[B]

In the house. That's what they said above. In the lamp, in the well, according to my algorithm. Okay, you need. Can you buy no other light than that?

[A]

Where do you get that? Target?

[B]

Home Depot.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

You get your light. I don't know if they have light bulbs at the grocery store.

[A]

They do have in the grocery store, but I last I went to get light bulbs, I got them at the grocery store and they are not the right ones.

[B]

Yeah. So at the grocery store, you're probably working with what they've got. Where if you go to like Home Depot, there's more of a variety and you could find it and you just need to walk in and be like, excuse me, where's the Kelvin? 2700 or 2700 Kelvin. I don't even know the right way to say it, but every video that pops up in my feed about light bulbs, it's just like someone yelling at

[A]

me that is it warm light?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

They say no cool lights.

[A]

I think I have cool lights in my house.

[B]

You got to get rid of those. You are not creating a vibe for your man.

[A]

Well, what about if you're in the Einstein?

[B]

You are not locking him in.

[A]

Looked at that light bulb to see what you had. Is that Calvin up there?

[B]

I don't know. I'm not going to look. 2700 Kelvin is what you need, so. And I don't know that every light bulb my house is that because it just now has been in my algorithm, which I can't explain why.

[A]

Yeah, were you looking for?

[B]

But now I do need to do inventory around my house.

[A]

Well, I have the same light that we have in here in my house. I copied you. You can't put this in any old light. They're the ones that look like they have like the little twirly thingy in them.

[B]

Yeah. But I don't know that I would put those in that light I have. But I'm sure it looks good.

[A]

Looks nice.

[B]

Oh, I'm sure it does. Okay, well, listen, I don't know. You want to talk about my sister knowing things. She knows the exact right light bulbs. And listen, because in my kitchen, you know, over my table, I've got that really funky light, and I thought I got a really. So do I. It's so fun. And I thought I got the perfect light bulb. And she was like, nope, wrong light bulb. This is the one you need to order. And sure enough, I order it. And it is. It looks so much better. And it's a bigger light bulb that's round and milk glass, like so. It's white. Like you can't see through it at all.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Another thing, in addition to elevating your environment, stop needing him and start valuing him. He shouldn't save you. He should join you.

[A]

This reminds me of Black Cat.

[B]

Black Cat. Golden Retriever. Black Cat. How would she talk? She was a viral thing on Tick Tock. For a while I thought she was like, Russian. Oh, Black God. Golden Retriever.

[A]

She was Russian because that's the only accent you can do.

[B]

Maybe she from like. Yeah, Prague. Golden Retriever. Expression, express emotion without spiraling. Oh, this one would be hard for me. Communicate how you feel without blame. Receive his support. Work as a team, not enemies.

[A]

I.

[B]

That will lock in a man hard

[A]

for you, I feel like.

[B]

I'm just kidding. I'd be good at that. Well, sometime I spiral. But not we all from time to time. Maybe with I have my spiral more in my own.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Head. And then lastly, let him handle things. Not because you can't. We know you can do it. Ironically, the only thing we often can't do is lean back and receive that.

[A]

That one sometimes is hard. Let them do it. Well, I will say early in the relation in my relationship, I think that was a lot harder to like, you know, because if I can do it for so long, I. I wouldn't call that solo, Maxine. I wasn't trying to be single.

[B]

Well, you were single for a while. Like you were already. And such an adult. By the time you, like, you had finished college, you had built a business and a career and you were living on your own. You bought your own house. Not a lot of people have done all that before they married or a lot of girls I know just are not in that situation.

[A]

Yeah, so it was hard in the beginning, but now then once you get used to it. I mean, it's. I have no problem now. But as you were first reading this, especially the first one, did you ever.

[B]

Instead of complain.

[A]

Yeah. Which I do like that tip. It just is the. The quote that. The example is funny. It reminded me of that book, why Men Love. Did you ever read that book?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Should I.

[A]

No, no, no. I had a friend, I was in my twenties, recommend this book to me, and I think I got like 20 to 30 pages in. Was like, I'm not doing this. It was almost like tricking a man into liking you by being mean and.

[C]

But it.

[A]

But my point is, like, you weren't being yourself, so you might be able to get a guy, but what kind of guy are you going to get? And then when do you. When are you allowed to, like, be yourself? Is that person gonna stick around? So I don't. It was a very popular book back then, so I'm sure some people, if you've read it, let me know what you thought of was wild.

[B]

No, I've never even heard of it.

[A]

Okay. I might still have. I might have given it away in a move.

[B]

I was probably. Probably already locked into my marriage at the time.

[A]

Yeah, you didn't need it. But I'm also like, Even the title, I'm like, I don't want to reward men for liking women that are cold and mean and not. I didn't like. Yeah, it was my vibe.

[B]

Well, it's good to hear. What, like, you. Things that have been recommended to you that you're like, oh, that's not for me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because then it's comforting for somebody else. Like, even sometimes things we're saying or stuff you may hear from somebody else, you get to decide for yourself what's for you. Because for somebody else, they may be like, oh, my gosh, this book, like, totally changed everything for me.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, maybe. But it also made me think of too, like, this is something I talk about in work all the time.

[B]

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[A]

This is something I talk about in work all the time is with attachments. A lot of people are always like, I want somebody who's this or I want somebody who's that. You know, anxious, avoidant, secure. We all want to be secure, securely attached. And the problem is if I'm pretending to be somebody I'm not. So if I am pretending to be really avoidant because, you know, those people don't like, care as much, but I actually am angst, more anxious and I do need more reassurance or more connection or more communication. You might be able to get the partner by pretending you're somebody else, but then you don't ever win because you either have to keep playing that role or you stop playing the role. And the person is like, this is not what I signed up for. So my suggestion is always it's better to be yourself. Now we can still work on things like we need to be kind, caring human beings and have effective communication, but be yourself. And you might have to wait longer to find that person, but when you find that person, you're going to be more compatible and it's going to last longer than just like hooking a guy, right?

[B]

So I'm going to ask you to describe how you would say you have a husband back home if you're on Wheel of Fortune. Okay, just what activity here? Speaking of relationships, let's pretend you're on Wheel of Fortune and Ryan Seacrest is like, oh, so tell me about yourself. So how would you, you're in front of the crowd. You're on national tv. Okay, so I'm Kat, I'm from Nashville.

[A]

I have, I, I'M a therapist. I feel like I'm, I'm being tricked. So I'm nervous right now. I have a loving husband at home. Is that right?

[B]

You did it. Okay. That's so interesting because this guy went viral after he spent six years building a very odd relationship study to figure out whether husbands who publicly praised their wives stayed married longer. So how he did this is he watched nearly 2,000 episodes of Wheel of Fortune. He logged how male contestants introduced their wives. He separated my beautiful wife, guys from the men who just said my wife. Now you said my loving husband. So I think as long as there's like an adjective descriptive towards. Oh, my loving husband. My shoot.

[A]

I'm glad I passed that test.

[B]

Well, at least according to his study then he spent years tracking divorce records afterward.

[A]

This is wild.

[B]

According to his findings, husbands using complementary adjectives had dramatically lower divorce rates. Men with nothing nice to say divorced at nearly three times the rate within five years.

[A]

No way.

[B]

I mean, I know that this is just 2000 episodes of Wheel of Fortune, but I spent a lot of time and entered in a lot of data. And he even broke down big money winners, long term marriage outcomes, contestant demographics, and confirmed divorces after airing dates. It's pretty crazy.

[A]

How did he track down. I guess it's public record when people get divorced. He must be in research. He does this for a living.

[B]

I don't know. I saw some people in the comments that they were like, and I'm not saying this is he. I don't know if this is an insensitive comment, but I, I thought I laughed a little. Okay, you can tell me.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You're a therapist. In the comments they're like, this is the type of like autism I'm into or something.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Or like just getting fixated or being able to like actually dial in to do this.

[A]

Hyper fixation.

[B]

Yeah. Maybe that's more the thing. Is that rude or on the spectrum?

[A]

I think that's become in pop culture, like a funny thing to say.

[B]

It was definitely a compliment.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And they were like, I'm here for more of. This is. If this is what you're into, I

[A]

think eventually that's going to become something that people probably. It's like not PC to say, but.

[B]

Well, then I do take it back.

[A]

I think that, well, and you, you were checking in on it. It's not that you're saying it willy nilly, but I do think that, like, yeah, this is the type of hyper fixation I'm into. If you're gonna do something like, kind of weird. This is at least make it interesting. Right? But he has to, like, I'm assuming this isn't, like, his extracurricular hobby. Like, this sounds like a legit. He could publish a paper on this.

[B]

I'm sure he could. He put it on Instagram, though. So, Kelvin, 2700 light bulbs and this guy are popping up in my.

[A]

I want your algorithm. My algorithm sucks right now.

[B]

I know. Just pregnancy clothes.

[A]

Yeah. Stuff that, like, I get a lot of, like, buy this, not that. And I'm like, okay, I get it. I don't. But I want to learn something funny.

[B]

You know what else popped into my page? It's just this crazy story. It's not funny.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

But it's heartwarming.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And special. I mean, I think about it being that I've lost both of my parents, but there's this girl who. Her dad passed away, and she kept texting his number, and his number eventually got reassigned to somebody else. And that guy was just receiving the messages. And then on the day before the fourth anniversary, she sent her dad a text and was like, it's really hard. Tomorrow is going to be four years. And I'll just read to you what I pulled from it because it's really special because he ended up responding and you. You. You think you're texting your dad, and then all of a sudden the bubbles start popping up and you're like, wait a second. For four years after her father figure passed away, Chasity Patterson continued sending text messages to his old number, sharing updates about her life and milestones. On the fourth anniversary of his death in 2019, she sent an emotional message describing everything she had accomplished, including beating cancer, graduating from college with honors, and overcoming personal struggles. To her surprise, she received a reply from a man named Brad, who had been assigned the number after it was reassigned by the carrier. Brad explained that he had been reading her messages for years, but he never responded because he didn't want to interrupt her connection to the man that she loved. He also shared that he has. He had lost his own daughter in a car accident and said that Chasity's text had brought him comfort during difficult times. His heartfelt response quickly went viral, touching millions of people and turning the exchange into a memorable story about grief healing and human connection.

[A]

What are the odds that the number that her dad went to went to a guy that needed to and had

[B]

lost his daughter, needed to see those texts?

[A]

That's sweet.

[B]

I know. And then I looked at, like, the text messages were there on the screen and Then, you know, something that's happening to me a lot lately because of AI, and I don't, like, the feeling is like, is this real?

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Or is this.

[A]

So much of that stuff is this Photoshop?

[B]

And I am choosing to believe that this is real. But there are so many heartwarming videos that I have already fallen for and then later have learned that it's all AI. So I'm like, what?

[A]

Yeah. I've been getting used to looking at the bottom of a video because a lot of times it'll be tagged as AI.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But sometimes it's not. But it's also like, Patrick and I talk about this a lot. A lot of the videos of people doing, like, the sweet, like, kind, like, heartwarming things are. They're not authentic. They're doing it for social media. And so sometimes I'm like, wait, is this real? Or is this, like, it's real people, but it's not actual interaction.

[B]

It seems more performative.

[A]

Well, not even performative. Sometimes it is performance. Like, it's not re. Like, I'll watch something. I'll be like, patrick, this is so sweet. Oh, my gosh, I'm crying. He's like, cat. They're like, acting like, that's not real. Oh, yeah?

[B]

Well, what about if it is something that's really happening, but it is being filled and it's not acting? Because my friend husband is He. He cannot handle it. Like, I've started to now send stuff to show her husband. I'm like, show this to your husband. See what he thinks. Because he's like, this is so over the top. As a dad, I would never film myself doing that for my kids. The fact that. That dad is filming themselves doing whatever for their daughter, they're doing. They're not.

[A]

They're not. It's not. They're not in their real life.

[B]

He's like, I can't imagine doing that for my kid and filming it.

[A]

Yeah, well, no. And I think that's the problem that's become so normal. I feel like we talk about this pretty often. And this is why we're bad at social media, because I can't bring myself to film myself doing something to then for the purpose of, like, posting it. Like. Like acting like the camera's not there. Like, if we're filming something, we know the camera's there. That's one thing. But like, to, like, film myself, like, cooking, pretending like the camera's not there and be like, oh, me being sweet is very different than us, like, filming a cooking show. That like we used to do, you know?

[B]

Right.

[A]

But I have a complicated relationship because I do think that that becomes performative and it's not real. But I also do like how some of the videos help spread hope and, and love and kindness. Because I was watching, for example, this video of a guy who, he's in recovery. I wish I remember I knew the handle. But like he, he was in recovery and now what he does is he helps get other people in treatment. And so he. This was filmed him like finding this woman who. I don't know what she was on, but you could tell she was like pretty heavily in her addiction. And he was so kind to her and like picked her up and was like, hey, we're gonna help you. I'm so and so's friend. We're gonna take you to this treatment program. And. And it was like a three part video. It was, was sweet. And I liked it because it showed somebody giving empathy to somebody that a lot of people roll their eyes at or judge or whatever. And he filmed it and he put on social media. I think he did that more to promote, like, be kind. These are people too. Versus look at this kind thing that I did. So I think it's different. Like if it's, if it's you filming yourself going up to a random person and be like, here's 500. And be like, look what I did. I gave a stranger 500 that. I'm like, come on. But if it's you trying to show compassion and try to promote compassion, I think it can be done. Right.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But that's different than like, look at me filming myself being such a great dad. Oh my God.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just be a good dad.

[B]

Well, and I mean, some dads have more of a following on social media and they can have a different relationship with it. It was just. It's funny that how her husband is having such a strong reaction. I don't even think he has social media. He just sees what his wife is watching and she'll be like, oh God, my, look at this. And he'll be like, stop. I can't. He's like, I can't. I can't relate to that guy at all whatsoever. Like, I'm glad you think that's cute, but I think that's ridiculous.

[A]

Well, how much of that is real too?

[B]

Like I said, like, if they wouldn't. If that's, that's the experience they would have with their daughter. Cameras or no cameras.

[A]

Yeah, because also I think that gets in the way of. I mean, it's like anything else. Like in Instagram is not real. Photos can be Photoshopped, but a life can be Photoshopped. An interaction can be Photoshopped. So if my job and this is something just for us to remember, if somebody's job is to be like a dad influencer or whatever is. I guess that's a thing, then we have to take everything with a grain of salt because their job is to promote content of doing these fun, cute things with their kids. So that's going to be a different than like, just the everyday person who has to. Their job is to go to their job and then come home and be a dad, you know?

[B]

Yeah, Definitely different.

[A]

Anyway.

[B]

All right, well, you want to pivot into some voicemails?

[A]

Yes. I've been waiting for this because I

[B]

pulled four of them. Four about farting.

[A]

Who thought we'd ever be here.

[B]

Because we talked about this last week and y' all have a lot to say. We got emails, we got voicemails. So I'm just gonna play some of them. This is a voicemail that we got from Mindy in Kansas.

[C]

Hey, Amy and Kat, it's your friend Mindy from Kansas again. Just listen to the episode of Passing gas in front of your partner spouse. My husband and I have been married for about 14 years together, I think around six. Of course he does it. You know, just whatever. However, I am one that I will silently do it if I need to, if I feel like it can be that way. And then if I need to roll the window down, if we're in the car, I'll be like, oh. And the kids will be like, mom, of course my son doesn't like my husband. And then my daughter, again, like me silently if she has to, too. But yeah, if it's something that I feel like he's going to hear, like, I will refrain from it. So I don't know. I think it's just in our DNA. I think my mom was always that way, too. Looking back, dad, let it rip any day. Doesn't really care who's he, who he's around. I guess. So anyways. Yeah, Hilarious episode. Of course I listened to the end. Hope you both have the day you need to have. Right?

[A]

Let it rip.

[B]

Okay, so, yeah, Mindy's explaining what I think probably most people feel where for men it's okay, and for the girls it's like, no, not me, you know? Yeah, I think that's a good generalization.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I think that's probably the majority. Yeah.

[B]

All right, so our next Voicemail is from Tara.

[C]

Hey, me and Cat, this is Tara in Virginia. I am 53 and. No, I'm 54. Sorry. And I was listening to your conversation about breaking wind in front of your significant other. I think that that's a good thing to be able to do, just because if you're in a relationship with someone, you should be able to be your full and complete self. I just think that someone who's with you even though you have gas or burp or whatever else, shows that they.

[A]

That they are truly yours.

[C]

They see you and know that you are a real person. I can't imagine not having gas in front of my husband. That would be a long time of holding gas in. Anyway, I really do enjoy your show and I hope that you are having the day that you need to have.

[B]

Okay, so there you go.

[A]

I feel like we are giving people a place to process something that they really want to process, I mean, well,

[B]

and sharing their perspective, which is what we asked for, because in. We've got people so far in reading some of the emails that we've got too, which maybe we'll save some for couch talks later in the week. But, like, people are all over the place with it.

[A]

Well, I love that she says that, like, if you have gas or you burp in front of your partner, that means that they see you and they

[B]

know you and they know you're real.

[A]

That's beautiful.

[B]

I don't really have a problem burping, I guess.

[A]

Well, I also started laughing in my head as I was listening to this, because I was remembering. You go, well, I mean, if I have to hiccup, I'll do it. As if that's the same thing.

[B]

All right, this next voicemail is from Sam.

[C]

Hi, Amy and Kat. My fiance and I have been together for four and a half years. I do not fart in front of him, nor have I ever farted in front of my partners before him. He sometimes now farts in front of me, like, every once in a while if he's in, like, a silly, goofy mood. But that's about it. Growing up, I did not fart in front of my family. My mom didn't like, no one did. My dad didn't fart in front of us. That's that part. And then my mom growing up, her grandmother raised her and her grandmother would not allow the kids to fart. So, which is, of course, messed up. That's a whole other thing. My mom used to fart in the closet growing up. So that's definitely where I Probably got it from. But I also, in general, don't like being vulnerable, and I can fully admit that. So that's probably part of it. And also, I agree to Cat's point of, like, I feel like if you're, like, the mystery part of it, if you are farting in front of your partner, like, they've experienced every single part of you, which I think it is healthy and good to keep some parts of you, like, a mystery. But. Yeah. So that's my personal experience. And I'm calling from Boston. My name's Sam, and I'm 29.

[B]

Sam, 29. Shout out.

[A]

We have a range of ages calling us about this.

[B]

I know. And someone in their 20s.

[A]

Yeah. Sam's 29.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's why I said, oh, yeah.

[A]

That's, like, the bonus. I was like, I just said that. No, I know.

[B]

I'm just saying, like, because we were like, do we have anybody in our 20s listening? I don't know. Okay. And thank you for your perspective. Being with someone in four and a half years and you're choosing not to do that. But my heart hurt for her mom and how her grandma was like, oh, that would be hard. Okay, our next voicemail. Thank you for that one, Sam. This final one is from the final fart.

[A]

I promise we're done after that.

[B]

Yeah. We could only do so much, but we do appreciate y' all sharing your perspectives. We need to put together some sort of a. Like, how many we got that are don't do it.

[A]

Oh, pro versus no. No, I think we're more a pro.

[B]

What's that song? Lunchbox always talks about the song on the Bobby Bone show, but it's tooted and boot it.

[A]

I've never heard of it.

[B]

I think that's, like, actually doing it, but it's like, toot it and boot it, too. Did it. But I was just thinking we could make a chart that's like, those. That toot it.

[A]

Those episodes.

[B]

Okay. This is Katie from Oklahoma.

[C]

Hi. This is Katie from Oklahoma. I'm 46, I think. Yes. I'm 46. I just got such a kick out of listening to you guys talk about farting. I'm even like, it sounds weird coming out of my mouth because I never called it farting, but my kids do. And it's just I didn't growing up, and I wanted to share about my daughter. And she has a boyfriend. She's a freshman in high school, where she just finished her freshman year, and she has, like, her first, like, real boyfriend, where they have Like, a really sweet relationship, and they hang out a lot. And the other day in the car, she was just like, oh, I really have to fart. And I was just, like, mortified internally. But then I also was, like, loving it at the same time because she was comfortable enough in front of him, and he just thought it was hilarious, and he was just, like, laughing. But I just thought it was really sweet and showed their, like. Like how comfortable they were with each other. It's not like she would do that in front of anybody. So I actually, like, took it as a really, like, positive thing, because I cannot imagine doing that in front of a boyfriend of mine in ninth grade. I just thought it was so funny, and I don't think she ever actually did it. We were more just laughing about it. But I think it's a personality thing, honestly, because my other daughter's boyfriend was staying with us recently. She's in college, and he lives out of town, and he was, like, embarrassed to use the bathroom at her house. And when I started, like, talking about it to, like, try to make him feel comfortable, I'm like, he was, like, so embarrassed. But I was trying to, like, be like, hey, it's no big deal. Like, everybody poops. Like, just go on upstairs. And he was just like, oh, my gosh. I can't believe we're talking about this. So I don't know. I do think it's. I think Kat's right. Like, I think it's more like part how you grew up and then part personality. But I just want to share those little stories. I love you guys so much.

[B]

Thank you for that. And that's a different. She offered the twist with her guy, her other daughter's boyfriend, not wanting to use the restroom in the house, which that could be a whole nother topic.

[A]

I don't think we should go there. No, we won't.

[B]

But.

[A]

But that was interesting that. Because we were saying that guys are so much. They're easier, they don't care as much. But that was a guy that did care.

[B]

I know. Well, I think that my ex husband, he would care. He didn't talk, but he grew up. They didn't talk about periods or anything.

[A]

It wasn't nothing.

[B]

Which that made it difficult because I wanted to talk about all kinds of things like that. And he would be like, I think I'm going to pass out. I'm like, what?

[A]

Okay. I know that's dramatic.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I don't want to throw shade. I love his parents, but I think that they were a little I think that they, like he never even knew like if his mom was sick or if they, like if they had cramps. Like they didn't talk about it. Like wasn't a thing. Like nobody, she would just quietly would like go to her room and they didn't talk about if they had throwing up or diarrhea, like if the flu, like nothing got talked about.

[A]

Huh.

[B]

So wild times. I think it was sort of his raising, but maybe he's evolved. I don't know. Okay, well there you go. We're gonna end on that.

[A]

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