FEELING THINGS: Stop Calling Things Hard & Other Things That Might Be Helpful To Know

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Bobby Bones Show — “FEELING THINGS: Stop Calling Things Hard & Other Things That Might Be Helpful To Know”

Date: April 19, 2026
Hosts: Amy & Kat (of the "Feeling Things" segment)

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt and relatable episode, Amy and Kat explore the theme of feeling your feelings, embracing unfamiliar experiences, and reframing the way we talk about life’s challenges. The hosts swap stories about current obsessions, body image during pregnancy, feedback and self-awareness, mental health, wellness routines, and cultural topics like the "manosphere." With their trademark warmth and humor, they offer validation, practical reframing tools, and candid conversations sure to resonate with listeners navigating their own “hard” or new things.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Coupon Code Game & Feeling “Fun”

[03:10–06:11]

• Kat shares a trick for finding online shopping discount codes without giving away email/phone: “Play the game of trying to figure out what their code is.” She lists iterations like “welcome 10,” “spring 20,” and offers up “tulip” for Revolve.
• Amy: “I’ve never played that game. I have other tricks…but this is very smart.”
• Shared feeling: Fun from “winning” small victories in otherwise mundane activities.

2. Embracing Outsourcing & Grown-Up Choices

[06:16–06:51]

• Amy feels proud for hiring a landscaper instead of taking on an overwhelming DIY project, reframing adulthood as knowing when to ask for help.

3. Movie PSA: Beware of “The Drama”

[06:52–09:31]

• Cautionary tale about the movie The Drama:
  • Amy: “My friend said, thank God you didn’t go. It was the weirdest movie I’ve ever seen…If I were you and I was going to see this movie, I would look up what that secret is before I paid $20. It’s a very sensitive topic.”
    Memorable moment: The hosts debate spoiling “the big secret” and discuss how media sometimes handle real-life trauma insensitively.

4. Pregnancy & Body Image: Permission to Be Real

[09:58–17:58]

• Amy opens up about first-trimester body changes—too early for a “cute” baby bump, feeling bloated, and negative self-comparisons on social media.
  • “Sometimes all this positive body talk feels like gaslighting. Like I wasn’t allowing myself to say, ‘this sucks.’…Can we be realistic and grateful?”
• Validation comes from seeing Taylor Lautner share her own struggle with pregnancy body image.
  • “I was grateful for that because seeing somebody else say it was like, well, I can feel that too.”
    (14:18)
• Takeaway: Even body image professionals struggle, and everyone deserves to feel seen. “Living in this world is tough. Like, body image wise…No matter how much work you put in, it’s like climbing an uphill battle.” (17:28)

5. Reframing “Hard” to “Unfamiliar”

[17:58–19:16]

• Kat introduces a mindset shift: replace “hard” with “unfamiliar.”
  • “Instead of ‘this is hard,’ think, ‘this is unfamiliar.’”
  • Amy: “Putting together a piece of furniture…This is unfamiliar. I’ve never done this before. Versus, ‘this is too hard.’”

6. Gardening, Dirt, and Brain Health

[19:27–29:15]

• The benefits of gardening:
  • Kat cites studies showing hands-on gardening lowers dementia risk by 36%. “It’s the physical activity, sensory stimulation, and mental problem-solving.”
  • Q&A on soil, wildflowers, and adulting via gardening ambition.
• Amy: “Did I ever think I’d want to take a gardening class? I want to get to the point where it’s calming to cut some leaves, prune my garden, because I understand how everything works.” (27:21)

7. Self-Awareness, Feedback, and the Manosphere

[31:47–43:29]

• Kat discusses insights from Mike Foster’s newsletter about the Netflix documentary “Inside the Manosphere”:
  • Dangers of toxic masculinity content targeting young men seeking validation.
  • Three questions to vet influencers:
    1. Are they self-aware?
    2. Who are they actually serving?
    3. How does their message hit your insecurities?
  • “True masculinity is measuring strength by who you lift up, not by who you can push around.” (Mike Foster, 34:04)
• Both discuss receiving and giving feedback:
  • Kat: “I want to know if I can do something better because why wouldn’t I want to know?” (38:09)
  • Supportive delivery matters—criticism that uplifts vs. feedback that shakes confidence.

8. Nostalgia: Social Media & Technology

[47:59–53:03]

• The hosts reminisce about simpler social media, pagers, and payphones, wondering which era (2000s, 2010s) they’d prefer.
• Pulling up old tweets and laughing at the mundane (“Going to the grocery store. Might get some eggs.” 48:36) and the difference in sharing on platforms.

9. Hormone Therapy & Listener Voicemail

[53:28–60:52]

• Kat updates on iron infusions for her hormone journey, shares about side effects (fatigue, chest bumps), and being open to feedback about possible changes.
• Listener Mindy from Kansas shares a voicemail about positive experiences with hormone replacement and testosterone (“Life-changing. I have the energy to, you know, be in the mood, just feel like I should have felt the last 20 years…” [57:17–60:52]), as well as anecdotes about office deodorant routines and amicable breakups.
• Both appreciate the multifaceted message—being real about physical and emotional changes.

10. Fun Fact: Pokémon Go & AI

[61:15–61:47]

• Amy: “Turns out they’re using all that Pokémon Go data for AI…Was it really for Pokémon Go or a ploy to get all this data?”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Kat (Reframing Challenges): “Instead of easy versus hard, think familiar versus unfamiliar.” (18:28)
• Amy (Validating Difficult Feelings): “Sometimes all this positive talk feels like gaslighting…I wasn’t allowing myself to say, ‘this sucks.’” (12:03)
• Listener Mindy (Hormone Therapy, Humor):
  • “I was like, why do I feel 85?…I inject myself once a week and it is pretty fabulous.” ([57:17])
  • “I was sitting there and I was like, oh my gosh, I could take my husband to bed right now.” ([57:17])
• Regarding Social Media Nostalgia:
  • Amy: “People tweeted what they were doing, but you only had, what, 140 characters?” (49:04)
  • Kat: “More tech, more probs.” (53:27)

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Important Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------|:----------:| | Starting the “discount code game” | 03:10 | | Movie PSA/Warning about The Drama | 07:05 | | Pregnancy Body Image & Validation | 09:58 | | Reframing “Hard” vs “Unfamiliar” | 17:58 | | Gardening, Memory, & Brain Health | 19:27 | | Manosphere, Feedback, Self-Awareness | 31:47 | | Listener Mindy: Hormone Therapy Voicemail | 57:17 | | Pokémon Go and Data Trivia | 61:15 |

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Themes & Tone

• Open, validating, and practical: The hosts offer real stories and lived experience, shed shame around universal struggles, and reframe “hard” as “unfamiliar.”
• Supportive & humorous: From discount code “hacks” to honest conversations on pregnancy and midlife, the warmth and authenticity shine through.
• Empowering listeners: Encouragement to use “tools” (reframing, seeking feedback, self-awareness), and to feel what needs to be felt.

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Suggestions & Resources

• For struggling with body transitions, seek out real voices, avoid comparison, and allow difficult emotions.
• Try reframing “hard” situations as “unfamiliar” to unlock learning and growth.
• Approach feedback with curiosity and deliver it with kindness.
• Be aware of online influences and critically vet the content your kids (and you) consume.
• Enjoy some gardening—not just for your yard, but your brain!

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Final Message:
Whether it’s working through body image, learning a new skill, or simply feeling all your feelings, Amy and Kat remind us you’re not alone—embrace the unfamiliar, give yourself grace, and “have the day you need to have.”

Transcript

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and the in between.

Sometimes the best thing you can do is just stop and feel things.

[Amy]

This is Feeling Things with Amy and Kat.

[Kat]

Happy Tuesday. Welcome to Feeling Things. I'm Amy. And I'm Kat and my feeling of the day is fun. I guess I don't know if it for sure for sure falls in the fun category but it sure feels fun when I get it right. So when you check out, when you're online shopping and you don't want to give your email and your phone number to get the 10% discount code, do you play the game of trying to figure out what their code is? Like typing in welcome, welcome 10, welcome 15, welcome 20 which normally you can guess the percentage off if it'd be 10, 15 or 20 based on what they say in the pop up screen to get you to get the percentage off. It'll be like want 10% off, want 15% off. And that will help me with the hello 10, hello 15, hello 20, save 10, save 15, save 20 free ship.

[Amy]

I've never played that game. I have other tricks but this is very smart. Why haven't I played this game in

[Kat]

the depending on the season? Spring 10, spring 20 summer 10 summer 20, summer 15, fall 10 fall 20, winter.

[Amy]

So have you been doing this lately?

[Kat]

Yes. And I got for two days in a row getting things welcome 10 worked for two different sites and I was like this is fun.

[Amy]

And they, because if they don't want people to do that, they got to get more creative with their code.

[Kat]

Some people have because you'll go and they'll email you the code. It's like ADSF 12345 y dash niner copy. You have to like paste it in there. Like those, those are the ones they really don't like figuring out the code.

[Amy]

Well, they really want your email and your phone number.

[Kat]

Yes.

[Amy]

I usually will just google if I'm like what's a discount code for this place? And sometimes it'll work, sometimes there won't be one. But I used to have, have you heard of honey?

[Kat]

Yes, I've used honey.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

I did it too.

[Amy]

It used to be like, what do you call it? Like it was like an, a plug in that I had on my safari.

[Kat]

Yeah, it lived in there. So it would, it would automatically generate things for you which Was really cool.

[Amy]

I feel like it saved me a lot of money, but I didn't download it on my new computer because I. It felt a little bit unsafe. Like, who knows? I could have gotten a couple viruses from that and this. Now, my computer, we use for work, so we can't be doing that. I don't even know if that's still a thing.

[Kat]

Good question. Because I haven't used it in a little bit, and I don't know how it got off of mine, but I did. Maybe because I got a new computer too. I can't or.

[Amy]

I like your. Yours is more fun. It's like a game.

[Kat]

That's why my feeling is fun, because it worked twice for me. And just letting people know that if. If you don't want to give your email and phone number. I mean, you may have to if you can't figure it out. But it's so fun when it works and you're like, oh, like the disc just pops up. And if you shop, revolve a code that always or tends to always work for them. Is tulip.

[Amy]

What?

[Kat]

Yeah. You get 10% offers.

[Amy]

So random.

[Kat]

Yeah, tulip.

[Amy]

Okay. Tulip. So 10%.

[Kat]

That's why I'm feeling fun.

[Amy]

Okay. I like it. I'm feeling a lot of things.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

I have a lot to talk about. Where should we start? Oh, this is easy. We'll get this out of the way. I feel very proud of myself. I feel like you'll be very proud of me for doing this. You know how, like, I like to do things by myself, and I like to just be like, oh, I can do that myself and. And not hire a professional.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So I'm learning. And I hired somebody to come do landscaping at my house. Just the front. But I at first was going to do it myself and then got very overwhelmed and was like, I'll probably spend a thousand dollars on plants and then kill them all, because what do I know about plants? So I felt like that was very adult of me.

[Kat]

Good job.

[Amy]

And it cost somebody to do it for me. Feeling proud of myself. Now I have a psa. I feel like everybody needs to know this. Who enjoys going to the movies. And this is my feeling attached to this is disturbed. Have you heard of the movie the Drama?

[Kat]

Yes.

[Amy]

Have you heard about this movie?

[Kat]

Yes.

[Amy]

Okay. I didn't know much about this movie.

[Kat]

And you just went to see it.

[Amy]

I escaped this by the skin of. What is it? The skin of my teeth.

[Kat]

Yeah. So you didn't see it?

[Amy]

My friend asked me to go yesterday And I was bored out of my mind because Patrick had on the masters for six hours. And so I didn't really want to go see this movie, but I wanted to get out of the house. So I was going to go, but then the drive was too far. They were going in Nashville and I was in Franklin. She texted me after, and she said, thank God you didn't go see this movie. It was the weirdest movie I've ever seen. And it got, like, rave reviews from a lot of people. So the whole. I'm not going to give anything away at all. But there. The whole point of the movie is there's this big secret you find out, and that is like the pipeline to the rest of the movie.

[Kat]

Well, I think it falls under dark comedy.

[Amy]

It is a dark comedy. Yeah. It's very dark.

[Kat]

Yeah, very.

[Amy]

If I were you and I was going to go see this movie, I would look up what that secret is before I paid 20, $25 to go see this movie. I think what it's about. It's like a. Not some. I get that it's dark comedy, but I don't feel like we ever.

[Kat]

It was in the news, so I feel like even before the movie came out was a big news story. Oh, I didn't know that it is. So, I mean, I talked. I. In case someone's wanting to see it. I guess we shouldn't spoil the big secret. But it's, well, very sensitive topic.

[Amy]

Yeah. And I'm saying if you're gonna go see it, spoil the secret because you might not want to watch this. My friend was saying, like, you. It was hard. It was awkward to laugh at any of the stuff because it's not something that's. It's not funny. And the thing that it's about is affecting so many people, even if you're not directly affected by it. Like, it's a big issue in our. Specifically our country.

[Kat]

Yeah. I think that's why it was such a big news story before the movie came out.

[Amy]

I cannot believe they made a movie about it. Like, I'm disturbed of about this.

[Kat]

Well, they were saying she didn't go through with. Didn't actually happen.

[Amy]

But do you know why?

[Kat]

Well, no, I don't know that part, but.

[Amy]

Okay. It's not like. It's not like she, like, had a change of heart.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

So you were disturbed by that.

[Amy]

Yes. And I just wanted to let anybody know because I would be so one. I think I. I don't know that I would be able to sit through all of that. But I. Movies are expensive to go see and I just don't want anybody to waste their money.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

So there's that. Oh, that felt good to get off my chest.

[Kat]

And then I love that you're like recommending for people to not go see a movie that you haven't seen.

[Amy]

But some other people enjoyed it, some people liked it. I think you have to have a very specific type of humor to be able to enjoy that.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And you need to not have been affected by this specific thing. Okay, now, next feeling.

[Kat]

Next feeling. So this is third feeling.

[Amy]

I told you have a lot of feelings. I think this feeling is like, I feel seen or I feel seen relief. I feel validated. And this is a little pregnancy update. I'm out of breath talking and that I'm blaming on pregnancy. In the first trimester of pregnancy, a lot of times, one you're hiding, you're not telling people and so you're trying to like, dress like you don't look pregnant. And then through the first trimester, you, you don't necessarily have a, like a baby bump. Like, you might look bloated, you might have gained weight, but there's not like, you know, when there's a baby bump, it's like cute and whatever. I think it's a hard season to be in that whole space. It's just body image wise, difficult. I have been inundated on social media with all of these and part of this is my fault. All of these videos of like really adorable people dressing their pregnant body through different stages. And I have internally been struggling of, like, how are these people doing this? Like, they look so cute or they're 15 weeks pregnant and they literally look smaller than I did before I got pregnant. Like, just a lot of negative thoughts coming up. And I, through this process, I try to just, you know, use my tools, like I say, talk my way through it, remind myself like, you're everybody's body's different. You're creating a life. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Kat]

I'm laughing because I'm thinking of. I texted you the other day because you love when you use your tools and you love when I use my tools and I you the other day and I was annoyed about my self tanner or something. I'm like, ugh. And I just feel so white. And then I used my tools and replied back. I was like, and well, I am white, so this is fine. I am white. And then you were like, good for you.

[Amy]

Good. Yeah, it's nice when we can use our tools.

[Kat]

Just it is what it is like, I love my. And you are white, translucent, pale skin.

[Amy]

That's me. But sometimes that's like, it. Sometimes talk like that. Like this overly body positive talk feels almost like gaslighting. It kind of. It sometimes felt like I wasn't allowing myself to really. Like, this sucks. Like, my body is changing at a pace I have no control over. I don't like it, but it feels like you can't say that because I'm pregnant and I should be grateful and we should be grateful for our bodies that allow ourselves to. To be pregnant and blah, blah, blah,

[Kat]

blah, tool, tool, tools.

[Amy]

But so it feels like there wasn't this, like, in. Nobody was. I wasn't around anybody or I didn't see anybody who was talking about that. So it was just kind of a conversation I was having, like, with myself or Patrick or whatever. And Patrick's response is, he's very kind, but he's just like, you're pregnant. And I'm like, I know, but I don't look pregnant. I look, and then I feel like God just sent me a little gift because I don't listen to this podcast, but have you heard of the Squeeze?

[Kat]

Yeah. The Lautners.

[Amy]

Yeah. They're both named Taylor.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Which is kind of cute and also kind of weird, I guess that could never happen to you because what man is named Amy?

[Kat]

Yeah, because there's no men named Catherine.

[Amy]

No, they're not.

[Kat]

But yeah. If you have a unisex name, like, would that.

[Amy]

Would that turn you off if you were, like, dating somebody the same name as you?

[Kat]

No.

[Amy]

Okay. Anyway, I have never. I. I can't say I've ever listened to one of their episodes, but. And their stuff doesn't really pop up on my page that often, But a video of her, of Taylor, the girl Taylor popped up. I guess she's pregnant. And she was like, nobody talks about this. And I was like, ooh. And she talked about how during her first trimester, she was like, I. She was really sick. And she was like, the only thing I could eat is carbs. So obviously that's all I'm eating. And I can't exercise. I'm gaining a lot of weight. And all I saw around me were. And I'm paraphrasing, she might have said something a little different. All I saw around me were these, like, tiny people that literally didn't gain any weight in their first trimester. And they looked so cute, and they loved dressing their pregnant body. And she was like. And I was having the worst time And I was just. I mean, I think she was talking about, like, how she was having breakdowns about it and how she said, I hated my body. I hated looking at it, I hated feeling it, I hated whatever.

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And I was so grateful for that

[Amy]

because almost was like seeing somebody else say that was like, well, I can feel that too. Like, this is for anybody, whether you're pregnant or not going through that. I feel like with body image stuff, we get in this space where we feel like we have to just be grateful for our health or our pregnant body or the ability to walk or. You know what I mean?

[Kat]

Like, you're growing a human.

[Amy]

Yeah. Versus like, can we be realistic and we can be grateful? Like, I am grateful. I'm pregnant. Obviously, it was a hard journey, wouldn't trade it. And this part sucks. Especially when I'm surrounded by what it looks like. And I know it's just social media people that are not having the same experience as me. And it feels like, well, what am I doing wrong? Because my body looks like this and you look adorable. But also, I will say with that. And this is to myself and other people. I've never. And I think she said something like this too. I've never looked at a pregnant person and been like, ew. And so I'm sure people that are. That would see my pregnant body wouldn't be like, oh, what have you been doing? They're probably just like, she's a pregnant person. But we see ourselves so differently. So I feel like I said validated because I feel like I was gaslighting myself and it was making it worse. And now I can just be like, this part sucks and I can't wait until I have my belly that pops out and then I'll feel better. Maybe. I hope you will. It's hard.

[Kat]

You will.

[Amy]

It's just hard when you are like, you do not have any control over what happens. You can do all. That's the other thing. People are like, on tick tock, if you eat. This is what I eat in a day as a pregnant person. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I feel like I don't eat that differently than that. And I'm moving my bodies much as I can and I've been steady. Climb in the scale. I don't know that because I refuse to weigh myself. But by the feel of my pants, that's another tool. Yeah. So this is.

[Kat]

This is your first pregnancy. So this is uncharted territory for you too. So you're experiencing something for the first time. I Would imagine when navigating something for the second time, you would know more what to expect from your body.

[Amy]

Right.

[Kat]

This was like, everybody's different, obviously.

[Amy]

Yeah. And this is coming from somebody who, like, I specialize in body image work. Like, I've done this work professionally and for myself for years. Feel like I have a pretty good grasp on it. But even I'm struggling with some stuff and need to, like, you know, go back into my toolbox and need to hear that validation from other people. So if you're not in that space, then it definitely would be normal for you to struggle with this.

[Kat]

Well, I love that you shared that because you got the validation from Taylor.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

And Taylor. She's our friend Taylor. And someone listening to you right now.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

He'd be like, oh, I'm so glad. Kat, who is. And this is her job.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

This is what she does for a living. Helping others through this is also having her experience with it. And it's.

[Amy]

Living in this world is tough. Like, body image wise. Like living in our society, in our culture, in our world. It just is tough. It just is. No matter how much work you put in it, you're climbing. We're climbing an uphill battle. We will be forever. Because there's as much work as you put into all of that. You have five times that coming from the other side telling you that. That that work is wrong. So anybody struggling with that, I am, too.

[Kat]

This isn't directly related to what you're saying, but it does have to do with things being hard or new. I saw a perspective shift being talked about and just sort of fitting here to say if you're experiencing anything new for the first time and you're finding it hard or difficult, and maybe you're thinking something's too hard to do or you could never do that. A perspective shift could be instead of easy versus hard, familiar versus unfamiliar.

[Amy]

This is very unfamiliar for me. Yeah.

[Kat]

Yeah. Well, I don't know that it totally applies to, like, being pregnant, but I'm thinking of maybe people wanting to try something new because, I mean, I think it's fair to say this is hard. Not only is it unfamiliar, but it's hard. But just in how us talking about things being easy or hard, unfamiliar made me think of this perspective shift that I saw that might be helpful for anybody just going through anything. It's like a little brain hack of how you're looking at something, because then when you see that something's hard, you might not want to do it.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

But if it's just unfamiliar. It's like, oh well, I just need to get familiar with that.

[Amy]

Like putting together a piece of furniture. This is unfamiliar. I've never done this before. Versus like this is too hard and complicated. I can't. Yeah.

[Kat]

But I am glad you hired a landscaper. That does seem hard.

[Amy]

That's both unfamiliar and hard. And hard. Also, like I said, I would have wasted a lot of money if I tried to do it myself.

[Kat]

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[Amy]

I wonder why that would be. Like, why with the dirt specifically? Or is it the activity you're doing in the dirt?

[Kat]

Okay, well. Okay. This is so far what Shannon has pulled up. Multiple studies indicate that digging in dirt and gardening provides significant psychological and cognitive benefits by interacting with specific soil microbes and increasing critical brain growth proteins. Yeah, I don't know if that's exactly what I saw. Research from University of Colorado Boulder. Shout out. That's where my niece goes. It shows that this microbe activates serotonin producing neurons in the brain functioning as a natural mood stabilizer, similar to some antidepressant medications.

[Amy]

So dirt has similar qualities as antidepressants?

[Kat]

Well, that's sort of what University of Colorado Boulder is saying. But my. I know that mine was a Alzheimer's related article.

[Amy]

Well, shoot. Maybe I should have done it myself.

[Kat]

Okay. I think we maybe now have it. We now have it. A 16 year long longitudinal. I did not know that word. That word scared me. Do you know that because of your therapy background?

[Amy]

No, but I do know that you like we've talked about how, like, we'll skip words if we don't know them. And I knew you wanted to skip the word.

[Kat]

I don't know that I've ever seen that word in my life. So thank you for help. No, longitudinal. Longitudinal. It's fun to say. I feel like I would remember saying it.

[Amy]

You learn something new every day.

[Kat]

So this is a 16 year longitudinal study of older adults found that daily gardening was associated with a 36% lower risk of dementia. This is it. This is it. Researchers. Researchers. That word's hard too. Researchers attribute this to the bundle of physical activity, sensory stimulation and mental problem solving required by the activity. So that's what it was. It had nothing to do with the microbe. So I don't know about that study from Colorado, but take with it. Take from it what you will. This one is what I was talking about. So you get a bundle. It's like a three. It's like a three. Fur. Three for one.

[Amy]

What I would like to do actually, because I really want to be one of those houses that has a bunch of like pretty like not wildflowers but wildflower esque flowers in the front of it, you know, in the springtime. And I think all you do you

[Kat]

just sprinkle them about.

[Amy]

Yeah, But I want to take, like, a gardening class, because that is such a unfamiliar thing. I know. Don't know anything. There's so many different types of soil or mulch. Like, how do I even know what kind of mulch I want or what soil I'm supposed to put in there? Or the seasons? And when you put tulips, I know you have to put them in in the fall, because I really wanted to plant tulips, and they said, you can't do that. And what flowers, like, come back on their own and what do you have to do every year? I would. You know what? I want to be like, you know Martha Stewart's documentary?

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And she was just in her garden pruning her flowers. I want to get to the point where it's calming to me same. To go out and just, like, cut some leaves off the stems of my flowers and prune my garden, because I just understand how everything works.

[Kat]

Shannon said her best friend could give us a gardening class. She has a business in Nashville teaching people about wildflowers.

[Amy]

Shut up. There's a certain flower, they're, like, all different colors. What's a flower that you would plant?

[Kat]

A hydrangea.

[Amy]

No, that's like a bush. Right.

[Kat]

But you cut them and they put flowers.

[Amy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kat]

But that bush is a rose.

[Amy]

Bushes of flowers. Like the azaleas. Yeah, azaleas. Those. I think those are the pretty different colored ones. I want those, like, around my mailbox or something.

[Kat]

You could do that. Do that.

[Amy]

I gotta call Shannon's friend.

[Kat]

Yeah, she's the prairie stylist on Instagram. Her name is Emily.

[Amy]

And, like, did I ever think I would get to the point in life where, like, I want to learn how to garden?

[Kat]

No. But I want to, too. I. I've gardened. I've told you. I've had a garden before where I had vegetables and I would go out and it was so awesome. Like, cutting.

[Amy]

Cut a cucumber off.

[Kat]

Cilantro. Romaine. You want romaine? Okay, no problem. I'm gonna go out to the garden and.

[Amy]

That's so cute.

[Kat]

It's just.

[Amy]

But it sounds hard. Like, how do you.

[Kat]

It's just unfamiliar.

[Amy]

Thank you. Reframe. Thank you.

[Kat]

Reframe.

[Amy]

But it is weird because, like, I think this is an adult moment where what I meant by, like, I never thought I would get to this point is, like, if you asked me in my 20s if I wanted to garden, I'd be like, I have better things to Do.

[Kat]

But you also had an adult moment of hiring someone to do the gardening.

[Amy]

Yeah. It's not the wires.

[Kat]

I do think that there's. You could use. Yes. There are certain plants and things where I think hiring someone is the strategic. The right move. If you can do that. But then, like the stuff around your mailboxes. Get in, dig in there. Plant the flowers, plant the seeds, let them go up. You don't need. You can handle that.

[Amy]

I'll hire somebody to land some. I want to have a garden. Yes. Two separate things.

[Kat]

Yeah. Perfect. So we'll get there. Longitudinal. Longitudinal. Now it's feeling weird. Longitudinal.

[Amy]

That's right. I think.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

That's how I would say it. Yeah.

[Kat]

I mean, you saw that word right away and you just knew. See, this is where my dyslexia.

[Amy]

I also have taken research classes before. So it's. You know what I mean?

[Kat]

Yeah. So you have seen that.

[Amy]

And if it makes you feel better, I knew that word. But in my research class, I do believe I got the worst grade of. Out of the class.

[Kat]

That's so weird, because you always want to be the best grade.

[Amy]

Not in grad school. In grad school, I realized I'm out of my league and I can only do the best I can. And I'm never going to. I had no plans of ever getting a PhD, so that research class was of no use to me. So I don't think I. And it was. That's one of those things. There's a. And this is just how brain. Different brains work. I could sit in a developmental psychology class and be so tuned in and understand what people are talking about. The research class. I even went to office hours multiple times. It could not make any less sense in my brain what I was doing. So when I was turning in an assignment, I was like this. I could get a 0 or a 100. I have no idea. Like, my brain just did not work there. But doesn't mean I'm stupid. No, I'm not gifted in that area.

[Kat]

Yeah. See? Tools.

[Amy]

Here we are.

[Kat]

I got a newsletter from Mike Foster. I guess at one point I signed up for his newsletter, which is Primal Questions. What?

[Amy]

I feel like you get a lot of newsletters and you read them.

[Kat]

Do I?

[Amy]

I feel like you. You have Lisa's newsletter. I feel like there's another newsletter you've talked about before. I don't know who it is.

[Kat]

Well, ours. I get the feeling they. Oh, yeah. I get. Moshe's is a newsletter. It's the literal news.

[Amy]

It's like newspaper but to your email.

[Kat]

So that's receiving his newsletter, but with the top news stories of the day,

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[Amy]

And maybe it wasn't. Maybe you don't get it ever. Maybe somebody said it to you.

[Kat]

Oh, I know. Our friend. Where's my brain right now?

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[Kat]

Yes, our. You're gonna go on a walk with her.

[Amy]

Katie Gustaf. Yes, I saw her this weekend.

[Kat]

You did?

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

I love her. I love her newsletters. You're right. I do read her newsletters. Yeah. Okay, so what's the name of our newsletter again? I mean, I know it's Feeling Things, but we gave it a name.

[Amy]

I think it's just the Feeling Things newsletter.

[Kat]

Oh, no, we gave it a name or a tagline or something.

[Amy]

No, no, nothing. Have the day you need to have.

[Kat]

Okay, well. Just kidding. So Mike's is called the Primal Question newsletter. And he caught my attention. I don't know that I always, always read his, but he caught my attention because he was talking about the manosphere, and I have yet to watch that Netflix documentary, Inside the Manosphere. And I want to, but he wrote all about it. And then I was like, okay, I definitely need to carve out time to watch this. So if you haven't seen it, the manosphere is basically a corner of the Internet where male influencers create content about what it means to, be, quote, a real man. On the surface, it looks like guys talking about fitness, making money, but the further you go in, the darker it gets, which I think you've started the documentary, but you haven't finished it.

[Amy]

Well, you know, my thing is to watch 30 minutes of everything.

[Kat]

It.

[Amy]

I think I didn't finish it because I was like, this is making me angry. But it is. It's fascinating. I mean, it's. It's gross. And it's really sad because they prey upon, like, Gen Z, Gen Alpha, like, young boys to try to, like, brainwash them. And it's. They're bad people. Like, they're not, like, living good, high lives. And a lot of it is a facade. Like, they'll act one way on the Internet, and then different things are happening behind the scenes.

[Kat]

Well, Mike's big takeaway wasn't just about how toxic the content is. It was about why young men are drawn to it in the first place. And his point was that these are valuable young men without solid male role models who are just looking for a yes to the question, am I wanted? Am I good enough? Which, those are a couple of the primal questions. And These influencers are answering that question in the most unhealthy ways possible. He also made a really important point about being discerning about who you allow to influence your life. And he gave us three questions that we can ask ourselves. When you are trying to figure out who's getting your time, like, what are you watching? What are you following? First question, ask yourself, is this person self aware? Second, who are they actually serving? And third, how is their message hitting your own insecurities? Now I feel like as an adult, I can maybe answer those, but I think about young kids, I don't know that they're gonna be able to answer that. But he did end with this. True masculinity is measuring strength by who you lift up, not by who you can push around.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

And I thought that was really powerful because the manosphere, they seem to be

[Amy]

wanting to push around. And it's a lot about, like, them gaining notoriety and followers, not actually, like, living their. What they're preaching. I will say I love these three questions. Is this person self aware? Is such a hard question to answer sometimes. Specifically, even for yourself and myself, where most of. If you hear somebody who is like 100 confident that they're self aware all the time, they're not. Like, if you're self, aware, it means that there are things that you cannot know about yourself and that you just cannot know and that you will have. You have blind spots. So if anybody's trying to figure that out with other people, or if you hear somebody that constantly is talking about how self aware they are, they're probably not.

[Kat]

I am self aware. I think to your point, now I'm like. But I really feel like I'm self aware with my hormones. I really do.

[Amy]

What do you mean?

[Kat]

Like, like now, when I'm not acting, like, when I'm acting a little sib. Yeah, I think I have that self awareness. And. And I'm not saying it's 100 of the time, but I will have a internal dialogue happening of like, why am I. Am I sounding. Am I my sib right now? Like, oh, that was a little harsh. Or like, am I about to start my period? Or I think. And then sometimes I'll take it outside my brain and say, I think I'm about to start my period, and I'll disclose. So it sort of hopefully lightens however I'm acting, because I know I'm not coming across exactly how I want to.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Kat]

But I. I have that awareness and I. Do you think I do.

[Amy]

I think even asking that question Brings about self awareness. Like the fact that you can say, like, I think this. I want to check in. Like, do you see that means that there's some self awareness there. Like, it is the guys in this show, from what the little that I saw, they're not looking for feedback from anybody. And if you give them feedback that does not align with what they want to hear, you're going to get kicked out of their life. And there's no self awareness in that. If we're self aware, we need to be open to feedback and open to, like, the things that we do wrong, which I feel like you try to do and I try to do. It's still hard. Nobody likes to hear.

[Kat]

I think it depends. Feedback can be difficult. And I also like feedback.

[Amy]

You do? I think you like feedback more than most people.

[Kat]

I was working a red carpet thing with a team that I had never worked with before. And I didn't know if I would ever get to work with them before. I was filling in for somebody and of course I wanted to do a good job. And the producers are there with me and we have different, you know, celebrities coming up and we're doing interviews. In the middle of it, I was like, the head producer came up and gave me. I wish I could remember exactly what it was, but she sort of gave me an out with each person that would be really helpful for how they were editing the videos. And I was like, oh, that's genius. I love that. And I said, that's so great. Like, please tell me more. Like, I want to know more, because that's gonna be a game changer for how I close out each little interview and I want feedback and. And a couple hours go by and we're walking out. And the other producers, as we were leaving for the evening, they were just walking me out. They weren't done for the night, but I was. So they were nice enough to walk me out and they were like, and hey, thanks for being open to feedback. We're not used to hearing, like, hearing that from.

[Amy]

I know what I'm doing. Yeah.

[Kat]

And that's what we're called as like the interviewer or in my job, what I do, I don't call myself talent. That's what they call us. They're the producers, we're the talent. And they're like, we're not used to hearing that from talent a lot. And I was like, oh, that didn't occur to me. I want to know if I can do something better because why wouldn't I want to know? They Gave me a better way to do something and then you're better and then it makes their job easier and then everybody's better all around.

[Amy]

But you also have to be open to feedback. You have to have a certain amount of like ego strength. A lot of people don't have that. And if they get feedback, it kind of like hits on that I'm not good enough versus you're like, I am good at my job. I also know that this is a new thing for me and feedback is great. So I think you have that confidence that allows you to take feedback. Yeah, but confidence doesn't mean I know exactly what I'm doing. Okay.

[Kat]

Okay. Because my self awareness right now is telling me that I don't know that I'm necessarily the most confident person at all. However, I think in front of a crowd, I do think, okay, okay, maybe I feel a little great on stage with a microphone, but I do. That's when my cup feels full. Yeah, I think I get excited by that. I'm not like, oh, I'm the best at this at all whatsoever. But I enjoy it. And so therefore it makes it like a good experience for me. I do think the delivery of feedback is important because the way the head producer came over and told me, she was so supportive. Supportive and like encouraged me and then gave it to me. And it overall is working with a good team. I do think that sometimes if people are delivering criticism in a way that's. That can jolt me because I'm sensitive to, oh shoot, and now I'm not doing a good job. So then it could go the opposite and then my performance goes downhill. But she did it in a way that still was constructive and lifted me up to where it only elevated me more to where I went upwards. But I am the type of performer where if I suddenly feel like I'm in trouble with something or I've done something terribly wrong, like I could, it could go downhill fast because my confidence

[Amy]

goes like second guess yourself on everything versus that person said it in a helpful kind way. So yeah, oh, this person is helping me, trying to be better versus putting me down.

[Kat]

So I think it's just a good reminder in our delivery of feedback, whether it's at work or wherever we are, just in how we approach it, making sure we're doing it in which we've gotten constructive feedback from our listeners and then we've gotten some non constructive feedback. Someone just criticizing us. And it hits different. Yeah, I think we're like, oh, cool, that's a thoughtful take. I Hadn't thought of it that way. Versus, hey, hater.

[Amy]

Yeah. When it's really bad, it's like, well, we're not even gonna take. Like. I'm not taking that personally, but it's like, when it's in the middle, where it's like, maybe if it's from somebody we respect or is or we know it's different than from a stranger. I don't know. I don't know. I was having this thought as you were talking, though. You know, there's always. We think about, like, oh, they should teach us how to do taxes in high school and all this stuff. Like, there should be, like. And maybe they do this in some classes. I know I took, like, a communication class, but I don't feel like we did this where you practice giving and receiving feedback and, like, process what it's like. Because I feel like a lot of people don't mean to be bad at giving feedback or hurtful, but they don't know how to do it. Like, that's a skill in itself.

[Kat]

I'm sure I've delivered it. Not well. Again, depending on my mood or my hormones, what I have going on, you know, like, you may not. It may not come out the way that you wanted, and you're like, oh.

[Amy]

And sometimes I feel. I never want to hurt, like, not. Not it. It. Within, like, clients. Well, I don't want to hurt their feelings either. But, like, within friendships or work relationships, I never want to hurt somebody's feelings. So I think sometimes I can be too soft with feedback, and then I don't do my due diligence versus, like, I wish I was taught how to give constructive good. I feel like I'm getting better at it, but I wouldn't say I'm good at it. Like, I want to be able to give feedback to people and also do it in that kind way where I'm not, like, tiptoeing around them. You know what I mean?

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

I didn't know this existed. And so that's also why I was, like, jarred to.

[Kat]

Well, there's. It's millions of followers, and I.

[Amy]

It's not my corner of the Internet. So I was like, what in the world? And it made me also think, what else is out there that I have no idea about that is this messed up a lot?

[Kat]

I think there's a lot. It's so fractured now. So thankfully, instead of, like, I feel like back in the day, if there wasn't. Well, first of all, these people may not even have a corner of the Internet. So then there's that part. They may not exist or the manosphere obviously wouldn't, but because it's so fractured and there's so many other things, luckily if it ever gained traction, it doesn't have as many followers as it might because people have so many different things to focus on. Yeah, but they are honing in on the young men. So if you're a mom of a young boy, like, just make sure he's not consuming the manosphere content. Yeah, I guess. Unless you're into that.

[Amy]

No, if you have a mom of a young boy, watch it first. I haven't finished it, so I can't. Shouldn't really say this. It might be something good for a teenage boy to watch and be like, this isn't what we want to do. Because look at who these guys really are.

[Kat]

Oh yeah. Like they can watch the Netflix stuff. I'm saying, like, make sure on their YouTube are they consuming because the more they watch the videos, the more normal it's gonna feel and seem. And then their minds are so moldable. Like they start to develop those thoughts early and then it can be very difficult to break and how they view women and I don't know. I still need to watch the Netflix. I'm. I'm fully admitting I have not watched it yet.

[Amy]

Would you go back and live 2000s with that era of technology or would you like be like, well, I'll take something in the middle 2010 foreign.

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[Amy]

Would you go back and live 2000s with that era of technology or would you like be like, well, I'll take something in the middle 2010.

[Kat]

Oh, 2010 was pretty nice because like we had a Twitter. It'd be 150 characters or less.

[Amy]

And was Instagram around?

[Kat]

Not yet, I don't think. Maybe it was 10. It was early stages. 2011. 2012 was when I first formed an account. And I wasn't right away, but we were pretty on top of it. I did enjoy Twitter a lot. I don't ever get on there anymore now that it's X. Like, I don't. It seems dark over there, but it was good times.

[Amy]

And you would just like, tweet, like, going to the grocery store might get some eggs.

[Kat]

Right. Or something funny. But you had to make it to

[Amy]

the point you're like, I wouldn't say that.

[Kat]

Okay.

[Amy]

So I didn't really tweet.

[Kat]

If you didn't have Twitter, it wasn't like, you might say something like that, but it was more so. Gosh. Wonder if we should pull up some of my old tweets. What if I was like, hey, guys, going to the grocery store, getting some bread.

[Amy]

I feel like people tweeted what they were doing, but you only had, like, what, 140 characters?

[Kat]

115.

[Amy]

150. Which is like, not a lot.

[Kat]

Okay, so I joined Twitter in February of 2009. Aww. One of my big posts was from 2017, and it said, I said, let's do this. And I put an American flag and it's Ben and I bringing the kids home from Haiti.

[Amy]

Oh, well, that's wholesome.

[Kat]

So that seems like an Instagram ish type post.

[Amy]

You could put pictures on Twitter back then. That's interesting. Oh, that was 2016. You said, when was that?

[Kat]

Okay, so. And that was 2017. But in 2016, I did say, we're parents, all caps. We got the call, Heidi, here we come. Leaving tomorrow for our two week bonding trip. So that's right after we got matched with the kids. So clearly I tweeted about the kids. A lot more kids. Let me try to find you something from the early days.

[Amy]

Give me something funny. You said, I know, I know. I did.

[Kat]

I know I did. More kids. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. More kids.

[Amy]

And then when you had Instagram and Twitter, how did you decide, like, what to put on? What?

[Kat]

I mean, you just did both. I think we even had them connected to where it would, like, post both. Oh, here we are on Family Feud. How do I go? I need to go back to, like, the very beginning. Like, radio Amy, Twitter. Nobody cares about this. Why am I even looking it up? 2009. I joined February 2009. So why is it not.

[Amy]

You might have to just go back really far. This would be a good segment. This would be a good segment for us to do. Next week, we'll find some of your most embarrassing tweets.

[Kat]

No, my funny ones.

[Amy]

Your funniest tweets. There is a thing that people do now on, like, bachelorette trips and stuff, where they go. My friend just texted me about this. She was like, dang, I wish you were coming on my bachelorette trip, because I just went back to, like, 2008 at our Facebook posts. And the game is you put, like, you. Somebody goes and looks up Facebook posts from all these people from whatever, and then you put them up on, like, a screen, and you have to guess, like, who it was that said it.

[Kat]

Like, that's funny. Yeah.

[Amy]

And also that would be mortifying because. What was I saying?

[Kat]

Yeah, who knows? Because I have 18, 000 posts on Twitter.

[Amy]

I was going tweeting all the time.

[Kat]

I did post this. What did the Greek use to cut their pizzas?

[Amy]

What did the Greek.

[Kat]

What did the Greek use to cut their pizzas? Little Caesars.

[Amy]

Nothing's changed. I feel like that's something you would say now.

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So no grocery store tweets?

[Kat]

Yes, so far I have. I mean, I.

[Amy]

But also, you're a public figure, so you're not telling people where you're going.

[Kat]

Well, I wouldn't say which grocery store. You think if I say I'm going to the store to get some eggs,

[Amy]

that's giving away where people might be running to? Every grocery store around town.

[Kat]

Anyway, sorry, Lamo.

[Amy]

How did we get there?

[Kat]

Don't know.

[Amy]

Oh, what. What part of technology would you want to be in?

[Kat]

Okay. Yeah. That's an interesting question. I should have stuck with that.

[Amy]

You said 2010. I think I would want to be. I want the Internet because I, I, I like Google.

[Kat]

Yeah. I like having a cell phone because when I had a pager and I had to go to the payphone, that was rough.

[Amy]

But you didn't know it was rough because it. That probably was like, at least I have a pager back then, once I

[Kat]

got a cell phone.

[Amy]

All relative, though, like, when I was little and I. My mom dropped me off to the movie, she gave me a quarter, and after the movie, I called her from the pay phone. Then I had to wait and have her come pick me up.

[Kat]

Right.

[Amy]

That seems archaic now, but back then, it was just very normal. So I wish I could go back and never know about what we've had, because then that would be. I'm like, oh, we're so with it. We have payphones. That's cool. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think I would want to be like tooth. Like, I remember in when I was learning about the Internet in like fifth grade. Like, I want to go back to that. And like with. You did a research paper in school. You went to the library and you checked books out.

[Kat]

You didn't use chat GPT.

[Amy]

We definitely didn't use that, but we didn't like, have like a database on a computer. Like, now the library is on the computer. You can search those things anywhere. And like, I don't know. I think I would. I miss more technology, more problems is what they say.

[Kat]

That's what your motto.

[Amy]

Anyway.

[Kat]

More tech, more probs. Yeah. Well, we were talking about hormones and my self awareness with that. So I do want to bring up a voicemail that we got about hormone replacement therapy. This is from Mindy in Kansas, and she's sharing her own personal, positive experience with it. Because I've just started my hormone journey or my latest hormone journey where I'm really dialing in. And I get my second iron infusion this week. And I will say I had no idea how the iron infusion last week was gonna knock me down. I was so fatigued. So heads up. I mean, they do kind of warn you of that, but then you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. They even say potential flu, like symptoms. I did not have those, but I did have fatigue. I was very, very, very tired. And so I have my appointment in a couple of days. So I'm gearing up for the tiredness. But now it's not as unfamiliar. I know what to expect, and I just have to deal with it. Like, it's not gonna be fun, but I'm gonna deal with it and I'm gonna know that hopefully two weeks on the other side of that. Cause that's when I told you to start to really start judging me is two weeks after my last iron infusion. So two weeks from this week, you can see if I'm different. And you can be honest.

[Amy]

Okay.

[Kat]

I want the feedback.

[Amy]

Okay. I do. And I think you can take it.

[Kat]

But really, if I don't change, I'm going to be heartbroken because I felt like I'm changing, but the iron has set me back.

[Amy]

Well, again, I think that you're getting the symptoms that are supposed to come with that. So that is that.

[Kat]

I love my yam pellet.

[Amy]

Because after the gam pellet, you were on cloud nine.

[Kat]

I was. I'm feeling good, which that's Mindy speaks to her testosterone experience and how it was a game changer for her. So we'll go ahead and play Mindy's voicemail. Here it is.

[Mindy]

Hey girls, it's Mindy from Kansas. I just thought I would holler. Love your podcast, armpit. So funny. I work in an office and towards the end of the day I will squat down at my desk where nobody can see me and put on deodorant. I have a dance studio and you never know what you're gonna see there. So my girls are always showing everything and putting on deodorant and I would rather that than smell them or lose them going to the bathroom. Also, I had a boyfriend once and he was the kindest about the breakup situation. I think he was missing an ex. Obviously this is not the case for you, Amy, but he was, he was so kind. He was like, I just want you to know it's. This has nothing to do with you. This is everything to do with me. I don't know why I feel this way. Like, you're wonderful. I mean, gave me all the reasons, like still at the end of the day, right? It sucks and I still respect him for it. I see him a couple times a year. We live decently close, have kids kind of the same age and both are very happily married with a family. And anyways, just yes. So nice to know that people can be grown ups and not completely. And then the other thing, I had just maybe turned 40 and I was like, why do I feel 85? Like nobody can tell me I don't have energy. I feel like this because I'm 40. Like, I'm not listening. I'm sorry. And so anyways, I ended up having to go several different places and hormone replacement therapy is where I went. And I'm also on testosterone and it has been so life changing. She gave me the option of injection once a week by myself. Like a buccal in my cheek, it absorbs and I went with the injection. I thought if I don't like it, waste of $150 and I'll choose something else, whatever. But really it is not a big deal at all. And I inject myself once a week. It is pretty fabulous. Swear I was sitting there and I have never in my life been the girl that's like, oh, we should go to bed now. I am really in the mood. And I swear to you, I was sitting there and I was like, oh my gosh, I could take my husband to bed right now. And it's not that I'm crazy feisty for any stretch of imagination. But it is so nice to have the energy to, you know, be in the mood to just feel like I feel like I should have felt probably for the last 20. And so anyways, I'm guessing, yeah, I was also at like a 10. With hormone replacement therapy. You do get a little bit. It is a little bit higher of a range. And she is totally fine with the way that is because I am happy with the way I am functioning. I'm able to work out, able to, you know, put in 14 hour days and just. I mean, still at the end of the day, I'm tired, but not like I was. I don't even know how I was functioning. So anyways, hope you girls. Oh, and Kat, first of all, I'm so sorry. Congratulations. I'm so happy for you. I just love listening to all of the updates. For sure. Don't feel like you're bogging anybody down by them. Have the day you need to have. Bye.

[Kat]

You gave a pregnancy update, so yay. Earlier. So I'm sure Mindy's happy for that. And that was a very cute way to end it. And, you know, she talked about her testosterone being a little bit higher than where she would want it, but that's fine because she's feeling good. Yeah. You have to just pay attention to your own body and how you're feeling. I will say a side effect I think I'm having from my testosterone right now is my chest is sort of breaking out. I have to go back for blood work in a couple of weeks so I'll know more of where my levels are. But apparently online it said this will subside. It's something that just started to pop up. And, you know, I took care of my chest rash when I got rid of fabric softeners, and so it's a rash. Dryer sheets, it's. Well, I'm calling it a rash. No, they're bumps. Like you pop them.

[Amy]

Like a pimple?

[Kat]

No, but like cyst. Like you can't pop them, but they're big bumps and they. And that's what I was getting from my scented soaps and my dryer sheets. So my chest is sensitive, but I think what's happening to it now, because I had cleared it up, it's got to be the testosterone and I just have to power through. My body is unfamiliar. And so it's.

[Amy]

It's gonna normalize.

[Kat]

Yeah, that's the word. Did you learn that in your research class? Normalize?

[Amy]

I think that's a very normal word.

[Kat]

Longitudinal.

[Amy]

I liked this voicemail because I feel like she covered so much ground.

[Kat]

She did. Which I mainly wanted to share it because of the hormone stuff, but I didn't. I forgot how long it took her to get there. So I should have set it up differently of like. Oh, yeah, she's gonna touch on how I don't like when I see people or I'm perplexed by people putting on their deodorant on video. Yeah. Because that just freaks me out. I would never. And then the breakup. I guess she's referring to my breakup was really healthy.

[Amy]

And well, we talked about how too I had that one boyfriend. That was very nice.

[Kat]

Oh, yeah.

[Amy]

You know that I also have to say I love how she said I wanted to take my husband to bed. It felt like such like a. I don't know, like an old, olden day. I don't know, like, not old fashioned. Is that what they used to say? Like, I want to take you to bed. And like, why don't we say that more now?

[Kat]

She said it because we got to be on more testosterone. I guess.

[Amy]

Now I feel like it's more like raunchy and like that's just like, oh, okay.

[Kat]

Sweet. Sweet. So sweet. Yes. Mindy from Kansas, who is not 85, but in her 40s. Ish. When you around them around there because you know, age, location, name. If you're willing to share with us, we're building data on you. Just kidding. We just want to know. It's just fun.

[Amy]

Wait, did you know you're not going to care about this, but now I'm going to share it. Remember when Pokemon Go was a thing?

[Kat]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Did you ever do it?

[Kat]

No.

[Amy]

Did your kids?

[Kat]

No.

[Amy]

Okay. I didn't either. But turns out they actually are using all that data for AI. The Pokemon Go data, like all like the geographical stuff. I don't really understand it, but there's like a debate of like, was it ever really for Pokemon Go or is it a ploy to get people to then get all this data for AI?

[Kat]

Maybe crazy maybe.

[Amy]

So you gotta be careful what games

[Kat]

you're playing online, what you want.

[Amy]

That's not even online. That's like in the world you Pokemon Go. I'm. I'm pretty sure people would like you have to travel around to play.

[Kat]

Yeah, I never was into it, so I vaguely remember. Yeah.

[Amy]

People going, it really surprises me you never played that.

[Kat]

What? I'm just kidding. Okay. I was like, do you even know me? Okay. Okay, okay. All right. We love hearing from y'.

All.

Make sure you send us a voicemail or an email about anything and everything that you want to 877-207-2077 is the number and hey there at feeling things podcast.com is the email and we hope wherever you are you have the day

[Amy]

you need to have.

[Kat]

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[Amy]

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