FRI PT 2: Tim McGraw On Surgeries, Acting, Getting Flipped Off By Fans + Professional Bull Riders On The Brutality Of The Sport

Summary

Summary of "The Bobby Bones Show" Episode: FRI PT 2: Tim McGraw On Surgeries, Acting, Getting Flipped Off By Fans + Professional Bull Riders On The Brutality Of The Sport

Release Date: May 23, 2025
Host: Bobby Bones
Guest: Tim McGraw and Professional Bull Riders Tim O'Connell, Cole Reiner, Patrick Humes, and Cody Custer

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1. Introduction to Tim McGraw's Recent Challenges

The episode opens with Bobby Bones welcoming country music superstar Tim McGraw to the show. The conversation quickly delves into Tim's recent health struggles and surgeries.

• Surgeries and Recovery:

  • [05:38] Tim McGraw: "I had, gosh, three back surgeries. Double knee replacements."
  • Bobby expresses concern over Tim's ability to perform following his surgeries. Tim shares the timeline and the impact of his health issues on his touring schedule.
  • [06:24] Tim McGraw: "Some mornings are better than others."

• Current Performance Status:

  • Despite his surgeries, Tim made a successful appearance at the "Slowly Getting Better" Billboard event on May 31st.
  • [06:39] Tim McGraw: "I'm having to do a lot of rehab, a lot of PT. I'm slowly getting back into some sort of routine."

2. Creative Process and Music Production

The discussion shifts to Tim's creative process, particularly his collaboration with emerging artists and song selection for his albums.

• Collaborating with Parker McCollum:

  • Tim talks about choosing "Paper Umbrellas" and why Parker McCollum was the perfect fit for the song.
  • [07:07] Tim McGraw: "Parker was our first choice because I like the music. I thought his voice and the type of music he does fit that song perfectly."

• Songwriting and Selection:

  • Tim elaborates on his songwriting process, the abundance of material he generates, and how he selects the final tracks for his albums.
  • [08:16] Tim McGraw: "I always have, you know, 15 or 20 songs to go to the studio with."

• Maintaining Relevance:

  • The conversation touches on Tim's longevity in the music industry and his approach to staying relevant across decades.
  • [12:57] Tim McGraw: "If you have good songs, I think that's the key to longevity."

3. Handling Fan Interactions and Live Performances

Bobby and Tim discuss the dynamics of live performances, particularly dealing with negative interactions from attendees.

• Dealing with Negative Fans:

  • Tim shares an anecdote about a fan who initially seemed hostile but later showed support.
  • [10:05] Tim McGraw: "I try to win that one person over that's not getting into."

• Bobby's Experience with Projection:

  • Bobby opens up about his tendency to project his feelings onto fans, leading to misunderstandings during performances.
  • [10:07] Bobby Bones: "I started projecting how you would react as opposed to how somebody else reacts."

4. Professional Bull Riders Discuss the Brutality of Rodeo Sports

The latter half of the episode features Tim McGraw's introduction of professional bull riders who discuss the physical demands and dangers of their sport.

• Introducing the Guests:

  • Tim brings in Tim O'Connell, Cole Reiner, Patrick Humes, and Cody Custer to discuss their experiences.

• Physical Toll and Injuries:

  • [30:07] Cole Reiner: "Our bodies will adjust to getting in that violent wreck."
  • [33:00] Tim McGraw: "Every time you nod your head in."

• Differences Between Bull Riding and Bareback Riding:

  • The guests explain the distinctions between different types of rodeo events and the specific challenges they each present.
  • [31:20] Patrick Humes: "Bareback riding is a constant reoccurring injury."

• Training and Safety Measures:

  • Discussion on the training methods and safety precautions taken to mitigate injuries.
  • [37:11] Tim O'Connell: "Nothing has been created that really mimics the horse's movement because it's not a consistent movement."

• Emotional and Mental Resilience:

  • Emphasis on the mental toughness required to participate in such a physically demanding and unpredictable sport.
  • [34:30] Bobby Bones: "I'm only mentally tough. I'm not physically tough."

5. Upcoming Rodeo Events and Collaborations

The episode wraps up with information about upcoming rodeo events co-produced by Tim McGraw and his partners, highlighting the involvement of notable performers and athletes.

• Music City Rodeo Details:

  • [35:06] Bobby Bones: "The three nights of the rodeo and this is the first and only PRC Pro rodeo held at Bridgestone Arena."

• Featuring Renowned Performers:

  • Mention of performances by Reba, Jelly Roll, and other artists, along with congratulations to the rodeo participants.

• Final Remarks:

  • Bobby thanks Tim and the bull riders for their participation and encourages listeners to attend the upcoming rodeo events.
  • [40:03] Tim McGraw: "No competition between these guys."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• [05:38] Tim McGraw: "I had, gosh, three back surgeries. Double knee replacements."
• [07:07] Tim McGraw: "Parker was our first choice because I like the music. I thought his voice and the type of music he does fit that song perfectly."
• [10:05] Tim McGraw: "I try to win that one person over that's not getting into."
• [12:57] Tim McGraw: "If you have good songs, I think that's the key to longevity."
• [30:07] Cole Reiner: "Our bodies will adjust to getting in that violent wreck."

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Conclusion

This episode of "The Bobby Bones Show" offers an intimate look into Tim McGraw's personal and professional life, including his health challenges and ongoing commitment to music. It also sheds light on the rigorous and perilous world of professional bull riding, highlighting the physical and mental resilience required by the athletes. The collaboration between Tim McGraw and the rodeo professionals underscores a blend of music and sport, promising an exciting series of upcoming events for fans.

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[Bobby Bones]

Hey, get your bones on Bobby Bones. We were one on one in our bets last night, Amy. So the Thunder did win. They did cover. But Chet Holmgren and I have a double double. So we're back to even. So just heads up.

[Amy]

I love even. I love winning. I love even. I just don't like losing. Yeah, but it comes with it sometimes.

[Bobby Bones]

So yeah, you just talk me all around. Yes, sure does. I would say love winning, be fine with even, don't like losing. But yes, you have. You do lose some. But we're back to even.

[Amy]

Correct.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, good. Just making sure. Did you watch, Amy?

[Amy]

No.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. I not at all. So the weather is bad in Arkansas and the Arkansas softball game is supposed to be tonight at 7pm so we're going to leave it like 1 or 2 today to get over there. The game is now at 11:00am so we're finishing the show and I have to go right now to go get to the game in time. So that's what I'm about to do. But we're going to play a full Tim McGraw interview. But what happened on the show was we just had Tim. But there were a lot of these great rodeo like current ranked high rodeo athletes. What do you call them? Athletes? Rodents. No, no, it's definitely not rodents. Okay. I don't know what you call them. Like rodeo rodeoers, Rodeo stars. But they came in too and we did a big talk with them as well. So we're going to play that as part of this. So you're going to hear Tim McGraw and you're going to hear all the cowboys, all the Rodiers. Sure. Past and present and enjoy. And we will see you guys. We will have a new show on Monday. So be back. We will have a new show on Monday. Right. Bye everybody. On the Bobby Bones show now, Tim McGraw. Tim, good to see you, buddy.

[Tim McGraw]

You too, man.

[Bobby Bones]

Before we talk about the real stuff, I want to talk about like the life stuff. Are you. Are you okay?

[Tim McGraw]

Getting there, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I know you had all the surgeries.

[Tim McGraw]

I had, gosh, three back surgeries.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, wow.

[Tim McGraw]

Double knee replacements.

[Bobby Bones]

So why all.

[Tim McGraw]

It was last six, six, eight months.

[Bobby Bones]

Were you putting it all off and you did all at once like a wholesale like you go to. Yeah, you know.

[Tim McGraw]

Yeah. I had had a back surgery before tour last year and that sort of went south on me right at the beginning of the tour. And so sort of compensating for that, my knees went out like three weeks into the tour. So I had to finish the tour with my knees completely gone and my back gone. And then as soon as I got off tour, I went in and had the surgeries done and then I had my knee surgeries done. And then in the process of recovering from my knee surgeries, my back one went out again. I had to have another back surgery. So some mornings are better than others.

[Bobby Bones]

But yeah, I saw you on Slowly getting better a Billboard and it was like Tim McGregor playing the big. The rodeo here. Yeah, yeah, the big rodeo and three nights. But your night's May 31st and I saw you up there and I thought, dang, because I know you had the surgeries. So are you in performance? Are you having to get back in performance shape?

[Tim McGraw]

I am, yeah. I'm having to. That's where I'm at now is slowly trying, you know, do a lot of rehab, a lot Of PT Now I'm slowly getting back into some sort of routine. It's very light, but working my way up to it.

[Bobby Bones]

Wow.

[Tim McGraw]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

That sucks. I'm sorry to hear that. I hope that you feel good. Like it's. It can get back. Where can you get back? Ceiling. What can you get back to? 100%.

[Tim McGraw]

I'll get close. Hopefully 100%, but we'll see.

[Bobby Bones]

The song that you got Parker McCollum to do yours, Paper umbrellas. Parker's perfect for it.

[Tim McGraw]

That's what we thought. You know, that song is on the standing room only album, is one of my favorite cuts on the album. And I always wanted to see the light of day. And when it came time to pick another single, I wanted something off of that album. And there were about three songs, and that was the first choice. And then I wanted, you know, a new artist on it, sort of freshen it up because, you know, it had been on the album for so long and people had heard it, and. And Parker was our first choice because I like the music. I thought his voice and the type of music he does fit that song perfectly. And, you know, the biggest fear you have is when you ask somebody to sing on a song, they're not gonna like the song when you send it to them. And he loved it and put his vocal on it and did a great job on it. So we decided to go with it.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And I do. And I know Parker and I do know we love the song. I think I would worry. Cause I am so anxious and neurotic about everything that if I asked and they were like, oh, I feel like I should do this song by Tim McGraw and I want to do it. And he doesn't say no, but he still does it, but still doesn't like it.

[Tim McGraw]

He doesn't like the song.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I would go through that. I'd spin in circles. I'd have such neurosis. Do you have neuros us at all about what songs you cut? Do you ever second guess them after you're done? Or do you just feel like this is it and I'm gonna go, no.

[Tim McGraw]

I mean, I. I'm pretty. You know, I listen to so many songs, you know, and I write for every album. I always write stuff and have an idea of the songs that I want to do, and so I write for it. And then I think, all right, I've got five or six really good ones that. That are gonna work. And then all of a sudden, you know, the warm boys or Tom Douglas or Lori McKenna send me a song that's sort of the same subject matter that I. I'd written about, and I go, well, damn, that's way better than mine. So mine goes down the list, but every now and then, one or two of them, I make it. But I always have, you know, 15 or 20 songs to go to the studio with. We cut them and, you know, some of your favorites you think are going to be great when you finish them out, they don't turn out as good as you wanted. And some of the ones you thought were sort of the lower ones on the totem pole rise up and become better after you record them.

[Bobby Bones]

What about in the middle of the creative process? It could be songwriting, it could be acting. But do you ever get so far in the middle you can't even judge your own work anymore because you're so in it?

[Tim McGraw]

No. Well, Atkins is a different story, because I never like what I do doing that.

[Bobby Bones]

It's hard to watch yourself.

[Tim McGraw]

It's hard to watch yourself because all I see is me pretending to be someone else. Because you know yourself so well. That's the toughest music. Not so much music is, you know, you go in. I'm pretty solid and sure about what I like and what I want to do. And when it's all said and done and when we finish it and mix it all out, you know, I know instantly which ones are going for me, are going to work or not.

[Bobby Bones]

If you're doing a live show and you see a couple and you could tell that probably maybe the guy got dragged by his wife or she got dragged by the husband, and one of them is like, it, singing everywhere, and the other one's like, ugh, I've had that. Yeah. How do you. What do you do?

[Tim McGraw]

Well, to me, it's odd because, you know, there could be, you know, 25,000 people are having a great time, and I can spot one person who just wishes they weren't there. And it's like a challenge to me to win them over.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, so you take it and you try to win them.

[Tim McGraw]

I try to win that one person over that's not getting into. And it's usually a husband probably that doesn't want to be there.

[Bobby Bones]

I had to look at foreheads because when I looked at faces, I started thinking that whatever I felt about their face or how I would do that face meant that's how they were feeling, like projecting. And once I was doing a standup show and this guy was hating it, and I knew he didn't want to be There.

[Tim McGraw]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And at the end, he came back like a meet and greet after the show, and he was like, I loved it. And that was kind of where I was like, oh. Just because he had a face that I would have had if I wasn't, doesn't mean that's his not enjoying it.

[Tim McGraw]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

Because I started inserting my feelings into people in the crowd.

[Tim McGraw]

Yeah. You started projecting how you would react as opposed to how somebody else reacts. I had that before this tour. I had. There was one guy, and during the middle of the show, he just kept flipping me off. During the. No way. And his wife was having a great time. She was enjoying it. And every time I'd look over, he'd be going, flipping me off and saying, you suck, you suck, and all this kind of stuff. So.

[Amy]

Oh, my God.

[Tim McGraw]

So I kept like, I'm going to work this guy. I'm going to work this guy. So about halfway through it, he walks. He starts walking to the front of the stage and making his way to front stage. And I'm thinking, all right, this is going to go one or two ways here. And he walks up, and he's a military guy, and he hands me and does the coin thing, shakes my hand, then gives me a thumbs up, and I'm like, all right, I want him over.

[Bobby Bones]

Weird communication. Way early communication was. It's a little odd. Yeah. The middle finger on the whole early part.

[Tim McGraw]

I know it switched halfway through.

[Bobby Bones]

It was Stone Cold Steve Austin. He didn't know Stone Cold saying, I love you.

[Tim McGraw]

If it was Stone Cold Steve Austin and he was walking towards the stage and been flipping me off, I think I would have bailed.

[Bobby Bones]

That's fair. Hey, your daughter off Broadway doing Babe. Okay, that's pretty awesome. The last time I talked to you, you were in New York.

[Tim McGraw]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

How do you feel watching somebody you love do something that you love?

[Tim McGraw]

Oh, it makes me more nervous than anything that I do. Same when Faith was, like, when we were touring together. I'm more nervous for her than I am for me. And then you watch your daughter on Broadway, and then just a couple of weeks ago, we went up and she did a performance at Carnegie hall that's gonna be on PBS on Veterans Day. So you get way more nervous to the point of shaking when your kids are doing it.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you try to talk her out of pursuing being creative for a career or.

[Tim McGraw]

No. I mean, to me, it's. With my girls, it's always been, you know, chase your passion. Whatever your passion is, chase it. No matter. Don't worry about money. Don't worry about, you know, what kind of job it is. If you have a passion for something, chase it, because that's going to be where your enjoyment in life comes out of.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you think the key to your longevity is? And I'm going to ask that, and then also give a little context here. At times, we'll be talking about, you know, biggest artists, the 80s, 90s, 2000s, and there's like three decades, including right this second, where you have extreme relevance. That's very rare. There's like, two people that we go 90s artists, but really aren't considered 90s artists, even though they were crushing it in the 90s. And you and Chesney are kind of those guys who are still relevant today as much as you were 25 years ago. Why?

[Tim McGraw]

I don't know. I'd like to think it's the music as much as anything. Songs. I think, for me, the bottom line, because, you know, everybody in this town can sing. Everybody in this town sings great. Every artist is an artist for a reason. But the songs, at the end of the day, the songs are the thing that make the mark. It's not necessarily the artist. To me, it's the songs. And if you have good songs, I think that's the key to longevity.

[Bobby Bones]

Is there anybody that you're close with that's part of your immediate team that has walked alongside you and as country music has changed, even sonically, instrumentally, that has said, hey, why don't we shift it a bit? And that has kept your sound relevant?

[Tim McGraw]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know if there's anybody around me that's done that. It's more, you know, I know what I do, and I know what I do well, but also hear stuff that I like, and I hear newer stuff that I like, older stuff to like, pop stuff, rock stuff that I like. And I'll hear different sounds or different mixing techniques or, you know, different instrumentation that. That I haven't used before.

[Bobby Bones]

So you'll chase that. So.

[Tim McGraw]

I don't know, Sarah. I don't know if I'd call it chasing, but I will steal stuff sometimes and then sort of change it in the way that sounds more like me, if that makes any sense, the appropriate way. And I've. And I've done. And I experimented with different things, you know, different progressive sort of things. And I'm always experimenting with music, trying different things. I don't think that there's a particular style that I consistently do. I mean, there's probably a consistent Thread in the. The sound of my music. But style wise, I think every album's got a lot of different styles on it. But, you know, I've done stuff like looking for that girl and stuff like that. They're that are sort of way left of center of what I usually do just to experiment a little.

[Bobby Bones]

The appropriate way for me to ask that question would have been chasing. But you're not opposed to trying something similar to what you've heard and liked, even if it's a bit different.

[Tim McGraw]

Yeah, I'm not opposed to that. I mean, you incorporating it into what I do not. I wouldn't call it copying.

[Amy]

You're just influenced by it.

[Tim McGraw]

Yeah, influenced by it, exactly. But what's that old saying that something. Something borrows genius steals? Something like that. I forget the exact phrase what. What it is.

[Bobby Bones]

I think it's fool me once, shame on you. Fool me, never get fooled again.

[Tim McGraw]

Well, back to your. Why your career has been going so long. I'm pretty good at fooling people.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, me too. Same good artist borrow, Great artists steal.

[Tim McGraw]

Yeah, that's it.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Good artist bar. Yeah. Another thing that you do, and I'm just going to glaze you a little bit, is you still sing in the same key. How, like you said, you're 58 almost. Well, I wasn't gonna go chase the real number. I was just 150. You sing really high.

[Tim McGraw]

You know what? It's odd because I think people don't realize I sing as high as I do because my voice is kind of thick. So when sometimes an artist come out and sing a song with me, they're like, I like it, I love it, or something. They'll come on stage and they think, oh, I know that song. And they'll go out and start singing and go, whoa, this is way higher than I realized it was.

[Bobby Bones]

Have you had to even consider any sort of key change yet?

[Tim McGraw]

Not yet. There's a few songs that are pushing the envelope right now.

[Bobby Bones]

What's the hardest one to sing?

[Tim McGraw]

Oh, gosh. Well, Standing room only. That single's one that's tough to sing. There's some really high spots in it.

[Bobby Bones]

You ever record one and go, I have to sing this the whole time? Not because you don't love the song, because you have to record it so high or you record it in a way that it's going to be difficult to perform every night.

[Tim McGraw]

There's been a few of those. Yeah, a few of those. And you find ways to adjust to it.

[Bobby Bones]

That's why I don't Record albums. I don't have to sing them because I can't sing them.

[Tim McGraw]

Luckily, there's been a few songs that I've really loved that I could probably only pull off like once a month. That is so high.

[Bobby Bones]

Because you can't do all your number ones because you have 46. I looked before you came in. You have 46 number ones. Almost one for every state in the union. 49. Yes, 49.

[Tim McGraw]

Wow.

[Bobby Bones]

You have. When you want more, then one more.

[Tim McGraw]

And I'll have the states covered except Canada, which you know, that will be 51. If it have 51. First state.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. That's a big one, though. Okay, so we have a little. We have some guests who. That Tim brought with him. And by the way, I want to say this again. Tim, we have Paper umbrellas with Parker McCollum which we played. And then secondly, the three nights of the rodeo in Nashville are happening and Tim does May 31. And so Reba's doing it. Jelly Roll's doing it. You're doing it. I saw the three pictures on the. And is this the first time that it's been here? I don't. I'm not familiar.

[Tim McGraw]

No. This is the very first time there's been a PRCA rodeo in Nashville. A full, full on rodeo.

[Bobby Bones]

And who's here with you?

[Tim McGraw]

Gosh, Patrick Humes, Tim o' Connell. Cole.

[Bobby Bones]

Gosh, I just saw a bunch of cowboy hats.

[Tim McGraw]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And ropes riders.

[Tim McGraw]

We got Cody Custer, who's a world champion bull rider. A hall of famer, retired now, but he's here. Tim o' Connell is a three time world champion bareback rider. Cole's bareback rider. Working on a championship. We joke about it all the time that he's. He's the one that hadn't won a championship yet, but he's headed that direction.

[Bobby Bones]

Will they come in?

[Tim McGraw]

They'll come in. And we also have Patrick Humes, who is our partner in bringing this rodeo to town. He's the one that brought the idea to us with my company at Down Home and we co produced it together to bring it to town.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, let's. Let's bring them in. We'll take a little break. We'll come in with the real cowboys instead of the.

[Tim McGraw]

The drugstore cowboys.

[Bobby Bones]

All right, Tim McGraw's here. We'll bring in the other cowboys. And we're back in a second.

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[Amy]

I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the podcast Betrayal. Police Lieutenant Joel Kern used his badge to fool everyone, most of all his wife, Caroline.

[Bobby Bones]

He texted, I've ruined our lives. You're going to want to divorce me.

[Amy]

Caroline's husband was living another life behind the scenes. He betrayed his oath to his family and to his community.

[Bobby Bones]

She said you left bruises, pulled her hair, that type of thing.

[Andrea Gunning]

No?

[Amy]

How far would Joel go to cover up what he'd done?

[Bobby Bones]

You're unable to keep track of all your lies, and quite frankly, I question how many other women may bring forward.

[Patrick Humes]

Allegations in the future.

[Amy]

This season of Betrayal investigates one officer's decades of deception, lies that left those closest to him questioning everything they thought they knew. Listen to betrayal on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Jay Shetty and I'm thrilled to announce my first ever On Purpose Live tour presented by Chase Sapphire Reserve. That's right, I'm coming live to a city near you. Come and see me. Join me and surprise guests for meaningful and insightful conversations to spark learning, experience growth, and build real connections. I'll also guide you through live meditations, share groundbreaking insights, and create powerful moments of inspiration designed to deepen connections, spark growth, and foster learning. Chase Sapphire Reserve is the gateway to the most captivating travel destinations and offers exclusive rewards and experiences so you can explore the world your way. Discover more with Chase Sapphire Reserve and it's Going to Take us to Heal Us.

[Andrea Gunning]

It's Mental Health Awareness Month, and on a recent episode of just heal with Dr. J, the incomparable Taraji P. Henson stopped by to discuss how she's discovered peace on her journey. So what I'm hearing you saying is healing is a part of us also reconnecting to our childhood in some sort.

[Bobby Bones]

You said I look how youthful I look because I never let that little girl inside of me die. I go outside and run outside with the dogs. I still play like a kid. I laugh. You know, I love jokes. I love funny. I love laughing. I laugh at myself. I don't take myself too seriously. That's the stuff that keeps you young and stops you from being so hard to hear.

[Andrea Gunning]

This and more things on the journey of healing, you can listen to just heal with Dr. J from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts at.

[Bobby Bones]

And T Connecting changes everything on the Bobby Bones show. Now, Tim McGraw and I'd like to introduce you by name because Tim McGraw is here, but he brought in a bunch of friends. I've never felt less masculine in my life. There have been times I'm often less masculine.

[Tim McGraw]

Well, the sweater helps.

[Bobby Bones]

The cardigan sweater.

[Tim O'Connell]

I know.

[Bobby Bones]

Thank you, Tal.

[Amy]

Pink and purple cardigan.

[Bobby Bones]

Thank you. And my pink undershirt. Thank you. That's probably a part of it, too. Pat, tell me about yourself. Who are you?

[Patrick Humes]

I moved here like three and a half years ago from Colorado. I grew up in northern Nevada in a rodeo family, and I rodeoed in high school and I tried to get it in pro and it wasn't good enough. So I decided to go into architecture and real estate development and we moved down here and there wasn't a rodeo in Nashville, so we decided to fix it.

[Bobby Bones]

Brought one here. You and Tim partnered up?

[Patrick Humes]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So how do you get Tim to be involved? How does that conversation happen?

[Patrick Humes]

You know, honestly, it was when we were coming down here and figuring out who we needed to partner with. He was top of Our list, and we were just hoping and praying that we could reach out, get in contact with him, and he'd be interested in doing it. And luckily, he did.

[Tim McGraw]

No brainer for me.

[Bobby Bones]

Also. Cole. Cole Reiner.

[Cole Reiner]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Cole, you're number 20 in the world right now. Bareback riding, that's embarrassing. Oh, you mean in a bad way? You want to be number one?

[Amy]

I feel like that's impressive.

[Cole Reiner]

We have a lot of time, so.

[Bobby Bones]

Bareback, that is. So my uncle had horses, and I would ride bareback because I didn't know how to put the saddle on. Yeah, that's. But that's just what you do. You just do it competitively and, like, really good.

[Cole Reiner]

So you're. The bareback riding you're talking about was without a saddle. We actually have what's called a rigging. It's like a little. So it started with a rope because someone didn't have a saddle and they wanted to ride a horse. But now it's turned into, like, a hard piece of rawhide, basically. And we stick our hand in there, and you can't really get it out.

[Bobby Bones]

Wait, what? Yeah, so you can't get it out. So what if you fall, you're in trouble.

[Cole Reiner]

Yeah. Tim and I are in the same event. So he's a world champion.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I see. Tim O' Connor, world champion, 16, 17, and 18. So I'm assuming, Tim, that when you fall, you don't fall much. That true?

[Tim O'Connell]

Not often.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Cole Reiner]

We've seen it a couple times.

[Tim O'Connell]

I mean, we've seen it a couple times.

[Bobby Bones]

They drag you.

[Tim O'Connell]

They'll drag you if you go like. So I'm left. I ride with my left hand. If you. And we have these gloves that are kind of bigger than the handle itself, and they have wedges in them. And if I fall to the right side, the wedges tighten up. And you have to have the two guys that are designated in the arena as pickup man, the guys that get us off the horse safely, they have to then get ropes on that horse and get them stopped, because you have to get back over the horse and.

[Bobby Bones]

So that point the horse.

[Tim O'Connell]

Yeah.

[Tim McGraw]

If you fall off, you fall off against your hand.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Tim McGraw]

Because what happens if these guys. Can correct me if I'm wrong, I rode some high school rodeo, which is like little league baseball compared to these guys. But once you get your hand in the rig and you twist it around, it forms a bubble that sort of blocks, keeps it from sliding out. So if you release your hand, you go this way, it'll slide out easier. But if you come over this way, then it's sort of locked in.

[Patrick Humes]

It just gets tight, you know, and.

[Bobby Bones]

You don't want it to be locked in.

[Cole Reiner]

You know what I'm saying? You're in a bind.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Cole Reiner]

It's literally where it came from.

[Bobby Bones]

And you're depending on people to stop the horse then at that point.

[Tim O'Connell]

Yeah, I mean, back up on the horse. Because at that point, like that horse is still doing its thing. It doesn't just stop because you went off the road. So more, more than likely you get stepped on, you get kicked, you're getting drugged by the animal as well. And there's been some pretty crazy wrecks from, you know, guys just, they get purely exhausted and then they're just underneath them.

[Patrick Humes]

And most of the time, most time when that happens, in that event, the horse kind of quits bucking and he's scared and trying to get away from the guy. So it doesn't help. The horse is covering a lot of ground.

[Bobby Bones]

That's why I don't ride horses anymore.

[Tim O'Connell]

That's it.

[Cole Reiner]

We feel less intelligent every time we tell someone about Bay Reck riding.

[Bobby Bones]

So, Tim, the first time you won a championship, where did you win the championship? What'd that feel like? It's a, It's a like 2016. Was there an event, Is there like the super bowl or is it like an all season long point thing?

[Tim O'Connell]

So it was both. So I went into our world finals, which is in Vegas at the nfr as the world leader, and then I never relinquished that lead and I had no plan on doing it either.

[Bobby Bones]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Tim O'Connell]

So, you know, like I always say, like there's. When they hand you a gold buckle, like when you, when you start rodeo as a little kid, when you never say I want to make the NFL or you never say what you want to do, but you say, I want to be a world champion. As a little baby. When you, when you realize that you want to be a rodeo cowboys, I want to be a world champion. So imagine your entire life, there's a moment that they hand you a gold buckle and you're a world champion. It's a, it's a flood of. You don't know if you want to jump up and down, you don't know if you want to cry. You feel a flood of emotions. I really can't explain. The only people that know it are the ones that get handed this gold buckle. And you'll do anything to get another one.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you have one on now?

[Tim O'Connell]

I do Can I see?

[Bobby Bones]

I don't want to touch it. I got to be weird, but I can't see it. Oh, that's. Is that real gold? Oh, they. Oh, yeah.

[Amy]

Oh, he's taking it off.

[Bobby Bones]

There you go.

[Cole Reiner]

You have to pay taxes on that.

[Bobby Bones]

This is the 2018 world champion bareback rider, the Tim O' Connell. This is so legit. Do you worry that if you, like, leave your pants somewhere, someone's going to steal it? Like, we jump in the creek and you leave your belt.

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[Bobby Bones]

I'll be watching out. That's. That's really cool.

[Tim McGraw]

Those things are really cool.

[Patrick Humes]

Yeah, Cody won it in 92.

[Cole Reiner]

Yep. You got yours on.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, Cody's hall of Famer, though. Yeah. Yeah, Cody's probably got. So, Cody, what year did you win the hall of Fame? Do you remember?

[Patrick Humes]

I went into the. I went into the PRCA hall of Fame in 2017, which was a pretty awesome deal because my dad got to be there. He passed away the next year, so it was a. It's kind of one of those deals. I think when you. When you start that. That was more. That was the. The world title was expected. Hall of Fame wasn't really expected. It was kind of. It caught me off guard, really.

[Bobby Bones]

How did. How do they tell you?

[Patrick Humes]

My friend Clint Corey was a world champion bareback rider in the day. My. My era. And he was working with the PRCA at the time, and when they voted me in, he. He made the phone call. So it was a. I was driving home and. And it was a really emotional thing.

[Bobby Bones]

And your dad got to see that.

[Patrick Humes]

My dad was. My dad was there, and I wouldn't.

[Bobby Bones]

Have.

[Patrick Humes]

Wouldn't have been there without my dad, you know, being behind me. So it was. It was a great deal that he got to come see past the next year, and pretty. Pretty cool deal.

[Bobby Bones]

That's awesome. And Cody was one of your heroes growing up, right, Tim?

[Tim McGraw]

Yeah, I loved Cody growing up. Yeah, well, growing up college, you know, my college years. Yeah, for sure.

[Patrick Humes]

I'm not that much older than him.

[Tim McGraw]

No, he's not. We're close to the same age. We're close to the same age, for sure.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, Tim, let me ask you a question. Tim o' Connell, you have your shirt on with all your sponsors. Like, I see Justin, I see Treetop ranches. Whenever a new sponsor comes on, do you get a whole new shirt with all new patches, or do you just put a new patch on the shirt?

[Tim O'Connell]

That's a great question. It just depends on the Lengths of the deals, you know, let's say I want it.

[Bobby Bones]

Let's say I wanted Bobby Bones right on. Right on your right. Below your nipple, on your left side.

[Amy]

Forever.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, enough for one year. For one year. That pretty expensive.

[Cole Reiner]

I mean, the nipple patch.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Well, I don't even know. He's only got one. Justin rules that side. But, like, right under. Let's say I want a pocket for you. Yeah, yeah.

[Amy]

Pocket patch.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Say I wanted Bobby Bones on there. Would you get a new shirt or.

[Tim McGraw]

Would you just aim high to him?

[Tim O'Connell]

I mean, it depends. If you want, you know, an exclusive deal where you want the whole shirt, then it's going to get real.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't want the whole shirt. I just want a patch.

[Tim O'Connell]

We can make it work.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, yeah. You guys are cut.

[Tim O'Connell]

I mean, we got, like, here's the thing with our event. Like, we wear these braces, so a lot of times, like.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, it covers up something.

[Tim O'Connell]

They'll cut us up.

[Cole Reiner]

These little. Little tears in it.

[Tim O'Connell]

And like, they. These horses, like, they destroy your clothes. So, like, I got about 15 of these shirts all look the same.

[Bobby Bones]

Are you guys always a little bit injured? Yeah, like, it's like you're professional athletes. Like, so any of my other friends that are professional athletes that play in the NFL or play major, they're always a little bit hurt, even when they're not, because their body's constantly being put through it. Are you always a little bit hurt?

[Tim O'Connell]

Yeah, because, like, our event, like, they've broke it down. It's like, even on the very best days, on what we call a really easy horse, it's the equivalent of getting to a small car wreck. That's what our bodies go through. The G force that we go through is like getting into a small car wreck. So, like, you're always just a little bit banged up. But the cool thing about what we do and what the human body can do is, like, our bodies will adjust to getting in that. That violent wreck. Like, they've done. They've done X rays on us. Like, our. Our riding arm, forearm bones have changed. Like, they calcify up and like, so our forearms on our riding side are bigger than our other side. And, like, it's weird, but our bodies will adjust to the abuse.

[Patrick Humes]

That very thing right there is why I chose bull riding. Bareback riding is way dangerous now.

[Bobby Bones]

Talk about that for a second. So what. What. What's the difference? I know the two.

[Tim O'Connell]

It's.

[Patrick Humes]

It's similar. It's. It's pretty much similar. I just.

[Bobby Bones]

But it is, but it's very much like Bora.

[Tim McGraw]

It's.

[Patrick Humes]

I mean, it's similar in the, in the danger area. You know what I'm saying? Just, they're, they're. I mean, these guys take more abuse than, than most bull riders. And on their, on their good day, you know, on a good day.

[Tim McGraw]

Well, you know, the bareback riders are back.

[Cole Reiner]

Yep.

[Tim McGraw]

Like this. And they're getting slapped in the back constantly. And the bull riders are trying to be up with their chest out front.

[Bobby Bones]

Are they drawn for you? Like the bulls are where you don't really know what bull you're gonna get and you hope you get a B or C. Yeah, yeah.

[Cole Reiner]

We basically. We know most of the horses and bulls going up and down, like all year rodeoing. We know all the good ones and all the bad ones. And you'll pick to go get on the good ones or the bad ones. But I would say the biggest difference in injury wise is the bareback riding is like a constant reoccurring injury. And these guys get like, these traumatic injuries. Like they'll be healthy for a month, six months, two years, and then get a big injury. And we're just always beat up.

[Patrick Humes]

Yeah, the thing about, the thing about anything in the rough stock, you're gonna get hurt at some point. And so, you know, physically, physically, our bodies get used to the trauma and like they said, we just get used to. We get used to it. Like, forearms get bigger and you know, I always had. My left arm was always bigger than my right arm because I rode with my left arm. And so it, it's. You guess you just got to be prepared that there's going to be some injuries and have a plan set to come back.

[Tim McGraw]

And the bone density increases too.

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Right.

[Cole Reiner]

This dude, prime Tim o' Connell, had a bullfrog neck.

[Tim O'Connell]

Yeah, my neck was small, but like, you get used to this whiplash and like, your body adjusts. Like, I think like all of us, we. We do schools and like, teach the youth on how to. When they want to start this. And you know, I always start our schools off with this. There's. There's two things I can guarantee you in rodeo. If you're going to try anything in rough stock, there is 100% chance you are going to get hurt doing this. There's a very small chance you're going to die doing this. Every time you nod your head in.

[Bobby Bones]

A practice, all I heard was the first one. That's all I heard.

[Amy]

You don't hear the die one.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't get there. I'm like, I'm out. All I heard was the first one. I'm like, I quit. I didn't even need the second one.

[Amy]

I'm thinking like, if I was Yalls mom or something, like, I would be a nervous wreck every time you went out there. And I mean, I would be like, yeah, you're getting to do what you love. But like every time you. It seems like every time you saddle up or not saddle up, you get on. Like, it's. This could be it. Like every time I fly, I'm like, this could be it. But like, this is Yalls job.

[Patrick Humes]

That's the reality of it. And it can't be at the forefront of your mind. We all know it. But you got, you know, competition wise, you know, for me, I had a routine that I got in. And there's some days you show up, it's easy to get there because everything plays out. But there's other days you got to find it, which there's more of those days. You got to find what it takes to do the job. And so I think, you know, I think mental. Mental toughness is the guys that are the mental. The mentally toughest are the ones that make it.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm only mentally tough. I'm not physically tough. So I. Yeah. What state are all you guys from? I'm curious. Where'd you grow up? We'd say color.

[Patrick Humes]

Where'd you say I grew up? Nevada.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. You?

[Tim O'Connell]

Iowa.

[Cole Reiner]

Wyoming.

[Patrick Humes]

Grew up in Arizona.

[Andrea Gunning]

I know.

[Bobby Bones]

There's any Arkansas in here, I guess. Not just me.

[Tim McGraw]

There's a lot of cowboys out of Arkansas.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, so I'm gonna say this. So the three nights of the rodeo and this is the first and only PRC Pro rodeo held at Bridgestone Arena. So Music City Rodeo is the nighttime event with the Rodeo starting at 6:30pm followed by the concerts at 9pm so come out. Are all you guys competing? Are you guys competing? You two competing?

[Cole Reiner]

I'm the only one.

[Bobby Bones]

Too many belt buckle. Too many gold championship belt buckles.

[Tim O'Connell]

I actually, six weeks ago, I tore my right side of my core off my pelvic floor.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you say that to those kids? 100% chance you're gonna tell your tear your core off your pelvic floor. How? Like.

[Amy]

Oh, well, right.

[Tim O'Connell]

I mean, doing my job. I mean, it just sounds terrible. Just a weird deal and the whole right side of my core detached.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, you look great for it. Appreciate it.

[Tim O'Connell]

Yeah, you know.

[Amy]

So are you having to see a pelvic core specialist?

[Bobby Bones]

That felt dirty, but it did Feel a little like over the line, like we should call hr.

[Amy]

I just had to call one myself. That's why I'm asking.

[Tim O'Connell]

Yeah, no, I, I had to go to Philadelphia and they reattached me.

[Amy]

Oh my God.

[Bobby Bones]

When do you get. When are you back? How, what's the rehab? The out in the rehab?

[Tim O'Connell]

Well, six weeks out as of yesterday they said 12 weeks and I'll be back on their horse.

[Cole Reiner]

He's going to get a phone call today and like not very long about.

[Tim O'Connell]

Yeah, like later on today the surgeon's gonna call me and he's gonna let me know what I'm released to do at this point moving forward. So like ramping up. I have about six weeks, but unfortunately that two weeks on what we do, like for how violent it is. Like two weeks is a long time because as soon as I go back, we're gonna. I'm tear stuff apart again. The first one back is going to tear all that healed stuff apart and it's gonna get back and showbiz, baby.

[Bobby Bones]

That's crazy.

[Tim O'Connell]

And your body has to, you know, there's no shape like rodeo shape. You can be in the best gym shape, best athletic form, but there's nothing that can get you in shape for the violence that you go through on the back of an animal.

[Bobby Bones]

Can you like the bulls? I'm gonna give you an example. I'm thinking about it. My brother in law is a collegiate softball coach. And so now they have machines that can mimic the pitchers they're going against. Throw the same, the exact same balls at the same rate, same spins. And so the batters can get used to it. And so they can go up and they can hit against basically. And it's not AI but a technologically advanced computer version of that pitcher. Can you do that in any way with a horror? Have they created something like that?

[Tim O'Connell]

I mean, yes and no. We have, we have two main sources for practice. We have what we call the spurboard, which is basically a plywood setup that we put some mats on and we. You angle it down so you're sitting down and you're, you're having to push your hips up. And that's stationary. It's stationary and it mimics the big side of it with the padding on. It mimics the horse's neck. So to, to make it in a perfect form, you would spur it and the front of it's going to lift off from all the power that you generate through this, through this board. And then you'll snap your feet down and it makes your body practice perfect form and that kind of tells you. And then there's a. There is a bucket machine that really mimics bareback riding and the way a horse bucks. But you don't want to get on that too much either because it's like, you know, the ones you see at, you know, the bars or whatever.

[Bobby Bones]

I got on one of those at a bar once.

[Tim O'Connell]

Yeah, like it's, it's the same jump over and over.

[Patrick Humes]

What's really going on? Because one foot will hit first sometimes and the shoulders move. So it, there's nothing been created that really mimics the horse's movement because it's not a consistent movement. It's not. The machine is a consistent movement, so it doesn't mimic what's actually happening.

[Tim McGraw]

Yeah, the stumbling makes sense.

[Tim O'Connell]

Yeah.

[Patrick Humes]

Like if a horse slips in the back end with a foot slips or, or he stumbles a little bit, it doesn't. Nothing can be mimicked. So really, in reality, the spur board that's a stationary causes you to do the things in perfection in, in a controlled atmosphere so that when you know there's no perfection in the arena, but, but you can practice perfection on a spur board and then it, it relates over to the real thing.

[Bobby Bones]

All six PRCA events, plus the wpra, women's barrel racing, all happening. There's bareback riding, steer wrestling, mutton busting. Oh, you want to hear a funny mutton busting story? So I grew up in Arkansas. I went to a lot of rodeo, slash crash up derbies, right? That's all. Usually it was the same, right? You go. And once I was too old and I went mutton busting. I didn't know there was. You should be little. And I was, I was a little older than I should have been and I was by like seven years. I was the oldest mutton buster out there. And so yeah, it was like seven. I was like 13. So anyway, that's my mutton. That's why I don't do what you do. I tore my pelvic floor. So I stopped after one thing. Team roping, saddle bronc riding, tie down roping, barrel racing and bull riding, rough stock events. We'll put the details too up on our page. Tim McGraw, thank you for coming by and bringing all your friends. Pat, congratulations. This event's gonna be awesome. You picked some great performers. I mean, Reva, Tim, Jelly roll and you know, people should come for the rodeo as well. Tim o' Connell, bell buckle. That's cool, man. I like that. That's pretty Cool. Cole Reiner, number 20 in the world. Hey, if he's out, though, do you move up a spot? He's out for weeks.

[Cole Reiner]

Well, yeah, he's. He's way behind me already. It's.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Okay, good enough.

[Tim O'Connell]

See, he keeps saying he's the one without it. I said, you know, this best shot to win a world title is when I'm not in there.

[Tim McGraw]

No competition between these guys.

[Bobby Bones]

Let's just fight it out right now. Let's just have it right here. And Cody Custer, congrats. Real honor to spend some time with you. Thank you very much for being here. I really hate today is the day I wore a pink shirt and this sweater. I'll be honest with you, of all the days, this was the worst day to do it. Thank you guys so much and hope everybody goes and checks it out. Tim, thanks for coming by. And everybody clap your hands for our new friends here. Great job, Mr. Bobby.

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[Andrea Gunning]

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[Amy]

Hey, I'm Dr. Maya Shankar. I host a podcast called A Slight Change of Plans that combines behavioral science and storytelling to help us navigate the big changes in our lives.

[Bobby Bones]

I get so choked up because I feel like your show and the conversations.

[Amy]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Amy]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Amy]

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[Bobby Bones]

App, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And it's going to take us to heal us.

[Andrea Gunning]

It's Mental Health Awareness Month, and on a recent episode of just heal with Dr. J, the incomparable Taraji P. Henson stopped by to discuss how she's discovered peace on her journey.

[Bobby Bones]

I never let that little girl inside of me die.

[Andrea Gunning]

To hear this and more things on the journey of healing, you can listen to just heal with Dr. J from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast at.

[Bobby Bones]

And connecting changes everything. You're listening to an I Heart podcast.