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The Bobby Bones Show
Kevin Costner's Farewell, Lainey Wilson's Role, Plus Ryan Bingham & Jackson Dean
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Bobby Bones
Episode 6 of the Official Yellowstone podcast. It's me, Bobby Bones. First of all, I want to thank everybody for listening. I want to thank all of our guests that have come on so far and thank you guys for listening and sharing and giving positive reviews through the first five episodes. We didn't know what we were doing. We just knew we loved Yellowstone. So we really appreciate everything that you guys have done for us. And please continue sharing. Now, on this episode, I'm gonna talk to people that have played pivotal roles on the show, like Kevin Costner, and then people who have made a lot of music for the show, like Jackson Dean. We'll even check in with Lanie Wilson and Ryan Bingham, who obviously is a character on the show and in Texas country is a force as well. Now, first up, we're going to start with Kevin Costner. Spoiler alert. He is not in the final season. Not really. I mean, his spirit is, and it's very much about him, but he's not in it. You probably saw it in the news. So I talked with him and I asked him, how long did you know that you were leaving before you announced that you were leaving?
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Kevin Costner
You know, I was hoping that we could continue. I, I was, I really love that show. I mean, I, I was going to do one season. I did five. And in the end, I, I, I needed to work more than twice a year, more than once a year. I wanted to. And I made sure that how I was going to do that would work, that Yellowstone would have a first position. I would handle Yellowstone's business, and then I would go do my own. But eventually that even became something that just for whatever reason, couldn't happen. And when I realized that, I knew that then I would just go forward. And so it was just about three days before I just decided to make that announcement. It's like I didn't want people guessing about my life. I will say this. In, in life, anything is possible, but I wanted to just make it final. I'm not going to do Yellowstone if something changes dramatically, for whatever reason, you know, my mind, my heart's open to anything, but I'm done with, with that show at this point. And I'm not thinking about it. I'm not willing it to come back. It has marked me. It's something that I love that audiences rallied around. It was a. I thought it would work. And that's what I love about when people decide they'll see Hatfield and McCoys or I, that I've just, I've judged that it has an Entertainment value and people have followed me. My career. I really want to honor that.
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Bobby Bones
You don't have a dislike for Yellowstone. You just have more of a love for what you wanted to do. As well as that.
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Kevin Costner
I love Yellowstone. Not. Not. It's. I have a healthy love of what it's done for me, what it did for a lot of people, what it did for the audiences that are willing to follow me. No one knew about Yellowstone. I decided I would do it. I went out over to Europe and sold it. I was the only guy over there saying, yeah, I think this will be good. I love that show. And not like, love, but there's a moment in time where you. I think you nailed it. You have to be able to go forward in my life. I don't want to close doors, but I also want to be able to shut them in a way that's meaningful.
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Bobby Bones
Next up, country superstar and my friend Lainey Wilson. Laney has had numerous songs on the show and even found herself in a pretty big role. So here is Lainey Wilson talking about being casted for the show and how it all came about.
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Lainey Wilson
Funny story is I auditioned back in 2020 for another role. Like, I sent in a video of me and I even went and read some of my lines in front of Taylor Sheridan because I was out in Montana when they were filming, just about to do, like, a little private show for.
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Bobby Bones
Oh, you were there already while they were there. So I was like, I'm in town. Taylor Sheridan.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Lainey Wilson
And I was like, hey, like, I just got this. This brief, you know, if you want me to read you my lines. And I did terrible. Like, real bad.
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Unknown
Are you saying that, though? Because it's you.
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Lainey Wilson
No, no, no, no. Me and Taylor are friends enough now. To where. If I asked him about that first experience, I promise you he would say it was not good. But I left there that day thinking maybe that opportunity is gone. But they kept putting my songs in the show. And then one night he texted me and just said, I got an idea. He said, I'm going to call you in a minute. And then he calls and says, I'm going to create a character specifically for you and you'll go by Abby, and you could still wear what you wear and sing your own songs and pretty much be yourself to go by a different name. And that's how that happened. So he created the character.
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Unknown
How nervous were you the first time.
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Bobby Bones
You had to actually act with other actors?
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Lainey Wilson
Terrified. It was like, I thought I was going to throw up. And it was with Beth Kelly Reilly. I'm like, of course that's going to be my first scene. But she made me feel comfortable. She actually ended up being one of the sweetest people on the show.
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Unknown
Isn't it funny how that works? Her character? You're like, man, she's such a ba. And I'm sure she's awesome.
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Bobby Bones
And.
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Unknown
But.
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Bobby Bones
And on that show, you're like, I wouldn't cross her.
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Unknown
And then she ends up being like, awesome and with an accent in real life too.
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Lainey Wilson
No, she's. She is truly the best. And I feel like too, I got to stand side stage and watch her. How she would get into her character and she would not break her character until the evening when it was over.
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Bobby Bones
So she was method ish, acting like, yes. When the evening hat. She's not at dinner after still being Beth. But all during the workday, she did not leave the Beth character.
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Lainey Wilson
Yeah, it was one of those things where if she was like, in a scene and then I show up and I'm getting ready to film my part. Like Kelly, during a time that is not filming, she would just be hugging everybody and asking how everybody's family's doing and, like, catching up. But during her work, the chit chatting can wait till after. You know what I'm saying? Like, she is in it. She's there to do a job. And I watched her. I was like. Because I bet little things like that can throw you off your game, especially for a character like she has.
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Bobby Bones
Well, compare that to your music career.
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Unknown
Though, and a show when it's time to. You're 15, 20 minutes out all during. Like, you got to commit, like, no dicking around.
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Lainey Wilson
Yes.
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Unknown
Because people just paid a bunch of.
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Bobby Bones
Money to watch you do a show.
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Unknown
The same way people are, like, spending their time or they're paying her to do the job.
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Bobby Bones
You're just doing it in a different 100%.
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Lainey Wilson
And one little thing can throw you off your game. The other day in Vegas, I was putting on these. I should have tried this outfit on before I went out to Vegas. I put them on, they split, like, up the front. And then my whole outfit was just ruined. I'm like. And then you're scrambling, trying to figure out, okay, oh, my gosh, do I have anything that I could like those kind of things right there. It's about being prepared and just, like, keeping your head in the game.
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Unknown
Was it pretty cool to go back without any spoilers? Was it pretty cool to go back and see everybody again?
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Lainey Wilson
Yes, it was great. I didn't get to See the whole cast because I pretty much just had one big scene, but I can't say anything else because I feel like I'm gonna tell too.
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Unknown
There's almost nothing else to say that you can say. Does that make you want. I don't know. Have you been auditioning for stuff? Have people called? I don't know what you're. Are you at all trying to do more?
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Lainey Wilson
I am definitely, like, open to the opportunities. I really loved it, so I'm excited to see what we do next with it. Maybe it's a character that's not a musician.
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Unknown
What if you did like cartoon voiceover?
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Lainey Wilson
Well, I have done a couple things like that. I would love to do that. If you need a redneck cartoon, I got you.
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Bobby Bones
Next up, it's Ryan Bingham who plays Walker on Yellowstone. Walker was introduced in season one. Now, this is Ryan from just a bit ago. He came on my show to tell a story about how he was casted by Taylor Sheridan and a few other things. Awesome musician alone. Just music wise, he's amazing. And you probably know that from watching him sing on the show. But check out Ryan Bingham's music as well. If you haven't, you probably have. But here he is, Ryan Bingham. You come into the show and you're walking out of prison and Rip comes and picks you up from prison. And you've been in prison for what, Popping somebody in a bar fight and him dying. Isn't that the greatest good guy coming from prison murder story ever? Like, you can't dislike you coming, you know, with the start, even though you're a convicted murderer. Right?
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah, it's a heck of a story. I really enjoyed working on this show and now it was quite an introduction.
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Bobby Bones
There from the start when the show started. They already have you cast, meaning as they were doing all production because you came in just a bit later or did they cast you once? It was already kind of going.
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Unknown
They cast me once.
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Ryan Bingham
It was already going. I met Taylor Sheridan, the writer and director, maybe a year or two prior to this. He. He wrote and directed a film called Wind river and you. He had contacted me then about writing a song for that movie. And I never really came up with anything that stuck. And whenever this show came around, he contacted me about writing some songs for the show. And then he found out that I could ride horses and I used to rodeo. And he said, shoot, we got to write you into this show. And he said, I don't know what I'm gonna do if you get to figure something out. We came up with the character of Walker, and we basically, we'll see how it goes. If you do good, then we'll keep you on. And he said, if you suck, we'll just kill you off. That's easy.
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Bobby Bones
That's pretty crazy, too, that you weren't in the original conception of the show, but they liked what you did so much, and you had the skill set that they wrote you in. Do you get to keep the clothes that your character wears, Ryan?
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah, a lot of the clothes I brought myself. And I don't get to keep all the clothes, all of the jackets and things like that in, but, like, my hat and my boots and my jeans and stuff. Some of that stuff I just brought myself.
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Bobby Bones
So the hat that you wear, which is a bit different from the rest, a little taller. So you brought that in yourself?
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah, I did.
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Bobby Bones
In one of the first episodes, you have your guitar with you. You pull it out, you just start playing. I'm watching because I play a little bit, and I'm like, he didn't even tune that guitar. Now, do you ever struggle with going, hey, guys, I would pull this out, and I'd actually probably tune it a little bit before I would start singing. Or do you just let it rip because it's tv?
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Ryan Bingham
Let it go. When I first started playing the guitar, I really played in a lot of bars that were just like that. After the rodeo, friends of mine would drag me over to the bar. We'd get my guitar out of the truck, and I was going in and Play. And probably nine times out of 10, I was out of tune. I just felt like for it to be authentic, Walker would probably be out of tune playing the guitar somewhere around a campfire. So I just let it roll.
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Bobby Bones
Hey, what about someone like Beth? She plays Beth on the show, but she's British in real life. Does she talk in a British accent when you guys aren't shooting? And is that weird?
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Ryan Bingham
She does one of the sweetest, most nice person I've ever met. And it is. My very first scene on the show was with her. And I hadn't met her before, but I had seen some of the other episodes. I had no idea, really who she was. And then our first scene was together, and she was this very tough woman. And then afterwards, we ended up hanging out just, like, drinking a cup of tea. And she was very sweet, very nice, and it was a surprise.
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Bobby Bones
But she speaks British because she plays that character so well.
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Unknown
So well.
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Bobby Bones
Of all the cast, who would you say is your best friend that you hang out with? The Most of all, the guys that we'd see on camera.
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Ryan Bingham
I really like everybody. Jefferson is one guy for sure. Big play, Jimmy. I really enjoy hanging out with Jefferson on side stage. He's just always has these very kind of insightful things to say. But everybody is really great to work with and be around. And for someone like me to be relatively new to the game as far as the acting goes, it's great to be around such kind of seasoned actresses and actors. So I really enjoyed that.
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Bobby Bones
You haven't been hurt on set by a horse or fallen off a horse, have you?
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Ryan Bingham
No, surprisingly not. That Rip, he's pretty tough guy, you know.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
Appreciate the time. And I, you know, I'd never been to Montana. I was just up there for a few days shooting some stuff and we had no cell service for days. We were deep in the mountains and for me that was a different kind of of outdoor experience. That's a pretty cool place to shoot.
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Ryan Bingham
Yeah, it's a beautiful place and big thanks to all the local folks here in Montana as well for putting up with us while we're here. It's a beaut. Beautiful spot and it's had a very warm welcome from people here. Yeah, it's a very special opportunity, you know, for corrupted work up here.
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Bobby Bones
Ryan, good to talk to you.
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Ryan Bingham
Thank you.
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Bobby Bones
All right, see you, Ryan. Last up is country star Jackson Dean. Jackson has made a lot of music for the show and just makes awesome music in general. Support him if you love him. I do. An eccentric guy, but no doubt a Yellowstone faithful. As pure with country music as it gets. And the guy takes some real chances. You can see Jackson Dean at the Jackson Dean. Here he is. Been on Yellowstone a lot. Here is Jackson Dean.
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Unknown
Now. Yellowstone found us via my agent out in LA who actually babysat me when I was a kid. It was very funny.
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Your agent babysat you?
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Yeah, man. She's from the same area and it was. It was funny, but she went to school with my brothers. They were 10 years older than me. But yeah, she started working for WME and I didn't even really know her until we started working together, which was funny. But yeah, man, they called and just have been fortunate enough to hang around in the scene a little bit and turn some ears, you know, and. But yeah, man, they're. They've been very good to me.
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So your babysitter helped you get on Yellowstone? Let's just put this all together here, Jackson. And when they come to you, do they say, hey, we have, for example, still raging, was on Yellowstone and when they say, hey, we have a scene and we want this, or do they just go, hey, we love this song, can we use this song? And they place it wherever they want.
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They loved the song and they did with it what they will. They do a really great job with the score over there and getting songs in it. And we spent a lot of time with Ms. Andre Von Forester and got tight with her and just any chance to be a part of the score is a great thing.
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What I like about Yellowstone is there are a lot of people that romanticize we'll call it the cowboy life. Even though it's a bit more than just the cowboy life. But they romanticize that because it's a fun show to watch. And you know, me growing up in Arkansas had a lot of family that they were like semi cowboys. Like they had horses and they raised horses, they rode horses. They weren't full cowboy on a ranch, but they're definitely were. I would like hillbilly cowboy difference. Like you're like real. You're like a real cowboy.
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Yeah, country living.
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Yeah, country living would be good. Although I'd say I'm a little trailer park trash at the same time and. And again it all kind of is in the same circle, but not exactly the same. I would imagine that this show, it's easy to say yes to where if you know, other shows maybe not like an alien show. Probably wouldn't be so easy to say yes to. Put your music on, man.
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I'd say yes. Yeah, bring it on. But. But no man. We've been traveling all across the globe taking this way of life to people and then people come to the shows. Dude, you see that people want a piece of it, you know. And it's not been long time since great westerns were made. But people love westerns. Dude. Me and my dad used to watch westerns all the time when I was a kid and to have cinema coming back to that a little bit Costners doing a little bit with Horizon and all that and it's really great to see but like taking our lifestyle to the people and just it's a great way to live. I'm out here in the country, I'm on the edge of 200 of nothing. It's a beautiful, beautiful life to live. And I think people want a piece of that and something that presents that in good fashion is incredibly important.
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What would be the biggest ranch you would want? Because again with the ranch, with land.
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Bobby Bones
There'S a lot of work.
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Unknown
What do you. What's maximum for you Maximum.
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Okay. Realistically, I've heard the 10 acre homestead thing and I've heard the 40, you know, and I love. I love as much as I could get and put a fortress on that thing, of course. But it's hard to do that when you're doing 120 a year. But yeah, man, I would love to one day, but too busy right now.
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What would you name the ranch? Gotta have a cool name.
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I've named a few things in my personal life after my dog. Like a couple things here and there. The name's Elk and I always liked. We used to think. I think our sign out front down the driveway is Elk River Lane. Just stuff like that. But yeah, probably Elk River Ranch or something like that.
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Don't Come Looking was back on Yellowstone in 2021. That song blew up. Ended up being your first number one. Did that episode and that song that did that help with some of the early momentum?
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Oh, my gosh. Yeah. I have so many people come up to me and meet and greets and whatnot. They go, oh, my God, man, we found you on Yellowstone. We love it. Brought us to your whole discography and brought us to some of your new music. And that stuff is so helpful and real, man. But yeah, a lot of people came to us and like, we found it here.
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Did they come to you and say, hey, anytime you have a song that you think might work, send it to us? Or are they just always monitoring? Like, I do anything Jackson Dean puts.
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Out, they try to stay in the loop. They got a lot of people to. A lot of people to choose from. I'm just extremely grateful that they chose us to use. But no, they're constantly monitoring. It's funny. Timing is truly everything. Sometimes you play a song for somebody once and then you play it for them again six months later and they're like, what is that? They're just not ready for it to hit them yet. And then you can be like, man, there's a couple songs off of this record on the back of my dreams that are like right up that alley of use this transition and get from A to B. But sometimes it just doesn't hit you at the proper moment.
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Yellowstone is a show that at its core is just about family and family looking out for each other. And at times, sometimes they ain't good with your family, but they're still your family. You credit inspiration for your early songs to your older brother while he was at sea. See, why was he such a big inspiration to you?
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They both were. There's twins they are not identical new. They both were, man, in terms of they're your older brothers, how could they not be? But Kyle, my oldest brother, went and sailed for, I don't know, eight, nine years. He worked out of Eastport in Annapolis for a while, and he's working for my old man now, running a business and whatnot. But he wanted his intensity and his glory, and he went and got it. He went and sailed. He went and sailed the seas for it. I don't know how many times he's got stuck in storms and off the Gulf and between running ground and he's a man to be admired for sure. But. But, yeah, man, I wrote a lot about them. I wrote about Cody, my other brother. But yeah, man, they're incredibly inspiring.
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If Yellowstone, Colton said, hey, we got a roll for you. Come on.
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What would it be?
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Bobby Bones
Yeah.
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Unknown
No.
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Bobby Bones
Would you do it?
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Unknown
Absolutely.
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Okay, good.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Absolutely, I'd do it. I don't think they're ready for a merciless, righteous man to come and slit throats, which is what I would want it to be, but. But, yeah, I do it in a heartbeat. I think it'd be a lot of fun and getting, like. Getting to work with, like, people like Sean Hagwell and even Robbie, who's sitting right over there, capturing things well and capturing on video, making it cinematic. I think it would be really fun to capture some stuff with them, and it would be really, really awesome.
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Doug, take part on the season finale. Tell me about the song first and then after that, just kind of answer. Do they send you a screener to let you know and let you see your song in a scene or.
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No, I've had it once and I've not had it other times. You know, like I said, we're just grateful to be there and be even thought about, but. Duct tape, man. Oh, my gosh, it's so fun. It's so fun. That's me, Case Beathard and Luke Dick, and that's just a little fun little country blues song. It's one of those ones where you just like, all right, boys, fired up. We're going to groove. And it was just so fun to write. I mean, I've written with Casey and Luke both 100 times before and written some good songs with Casey. But that was. I think that was the first one we cut of Casey, and it was really great.
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So you took some time off. You came back like you do your own thing. I think that's probably why I like just talking to you and hearing what you have to say, because you just definitely do your own freaking thing. And I feel like at times when I've done my own thing, people are like, man, that dude's weird. Or that dude, he's tough to work with. Talk about me, not you. But it's like, I always feel like if I do my own thing, I take my own time. Like, my stuff's going to be better in my mind.
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Lainey Wilson
Right?
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Unknown
Like, I'm more fulfilled whenever I have. I'm charged and I need to get charged in different ways. And I feel like you're a bit of the same type of person. Like, if you're not ready, you're going to go and you're going to get ready in charge, and then you're going to go absolutely. As hard as you possibly can once you're ready. Accuracy to that or. No, accurate, accurate.
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Big accuracy there. If. If you can't. If you can't put it in the tank, you can't give it.
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You feel like people think at times it's like, man, Jackson Dean, he's. Is he quiet or is he, like, standoffish? Or is he, like, like, so serious? Like, again, I'm lucky. I know you, I'd hang out with you. I love you. But I gotta feel like sometimes people like, man, is that guy so serious? Do you deal with that sometimes?
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Sometimes. And then they spend about two minutes with me and then we're laughing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It usually isn't too long of a prop.
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How many hat protectors when you fly, when you travel? In the old case, the old cowboy hat case, how many do you take with you to protect your hats?
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Not a single one. Not a single one.
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That looks like a pretty nice hat. I need to protect it, I think.
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See, the way I figured it, the more life that it gets to absorb, the more living you do in it, the better it's going to shape to your head. The more. What's the word I'm looking for, the better the patina is going to be.
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Yeah, not me. I'd be like, I want this thing to get dirty because I need to look legit. But see, you don't worry about that. You just go and do you. I am a narcissistic fool and I would need to look perfect in my. In my hat. I need to iron it every night. I bet you don't even do that, do you? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I know you didn't. Don't worry about that. I know you didn't. Okay, two questions left. If you were to Work on the big Yellowstone ranch. Because I know your history of having a lot of real life jobs. I've had a few real life jobs myself. What do you think your job would be on the ranch? What would you excel at?
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Man, I thought it would always be cool to bridge my. My day to day manager here. His dad's a farrier. He shoes horses for a living and that's hard labor. But his dad's hands are like twice the thickness of mine and like his pinky finger is like these two fingers wild. That's some hard work right there. But I think it'd be interesting to do that for a minute. I've just seen how he's lived his life. And they fly them all over, all over the country to go shoe horses and whatnot. And it's just like you got like six rigs up and down the east coast, dude. Like you rocking and rolling, man. It's a. It's hard work, you know, in a dime breed and dying profession. But. But yeah, yeah.
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Last thing I'm gonna ask of you, Give me a quick story about don't come looking. It can be like the first time you played it, the first time you played when everybody sang back. This is first number one for you. Give me something about this song.
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Absolutely. First time I ever really heard him sing it back. And it wasn't just, just this one that they sang back. It was trailer park, Fearless, don't take much wings, all my stuff. I was in Spokane in this little. It was like a 600 person shack and it looked like it was like a 200 person shack on the outside. Maybe one of the hottest shows I ever played in my life. Walked off stage and projectile vomited. Yeah. And it was me and Brandon, you know Brandon, my guitar player. It was me and him and it was awesome, man. I'll never forget. I was standing there, Guns n Roses cut off T shirt and try I couldn't take. I wanted strip so bad. But. But yeah, we were all right on the edge of Spokane, the Nashville north out there. And they sang every word and. But yeah, man, it was. We've had a lot of great times to that song. And you just go up to the mic and if I don't come back and you drop and then they take it.
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They take it. That's awesome.
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You want to run through a brick.
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Wall, Jackson, dude, you're awesome. I've been saying it to you for a long time, but I appreciate the time coming on. And we're going to play all these songs in different places. And congratulations for just being being exactly what Yellowstone sonically sounds like. If I were to think of one person, it would be me, then you. But only me, because I'd want the paycheck. Not actually because I sound like it, but you, because you are legitimate in every way.
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Thanks, brother. I'll see you soon.
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See you, Jackson.
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Bobby Bones
The Yellowstone Official podcast, hosted by me, Bobby Bones, and brought to you by iheartmedia Podcasts and MTV Entertainment Studios. Big shout out to executive producers Jason Reed, Lindsey Hoffman, Carl Cadle and Kevin O'Connell. Also our senior manager of podcast marketing, Allie Kanner Graber, for keeping the word out. And of course, a big thanks to Will Pearson, president of iHeartMedia podcast, for him supporting this show. We've also got special thanks going out to Whitney Baxter, Xavier Offright, Barbara Pareda, Emily Curry and Joe Flattery. You guys make this happen. This podcast is produced in association with 101 Studios over there, executive producer Scott Stone and director of podcast development and production, Danielle Waxman. We also got to give a big nod to Michelle Newman, David Glasser and David Hutkin for their support. Thank you guys for tuning in. See you next week.