Lots to Say: College Football needs, Revenge Games, and Best Week 7 games!

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The Bobby Bones Show — Episode Summary

Podcast: The Bobby Bones Show
Episode: Lots to Say: College Football needs, Revenge Games, and Best Week 7 games!
Date: October 15, 2025
Hosts: Bobby Bones, Matt Cassel, Kevin, Brandon Ray

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Overview

This episode dives headfirst into the evolving landscape of college football, focusing on NIL deals, player loyalty, and the escalating price tags for young recruits. Bobby, Matt, and the team also break down the impact of big-money moves and transfers, dissect the unpredictability of this football season, analyze coaching changes, and preview some of the most intriguing revenge games and Week 7 NFL matchups. The discussion is rich with personal stories, sharp insights, and friendly debate—all delivered with the show’s signature humor and down-to-earth tone.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Matt’s Return to USC and the Changing College Game

[03:01-08:22]

• Matt revisits his alma mater, USC, for the first time since his playing days, describing a special environment packed with former stars and a dominant win against Michigan.
• The hosts weigh in on the talent and development curve of young QB Bryce Underwood, an 18-year-old freshman making millions through NIL but still adjusting to the demands of big-time college football.

“He’ll make this spectacular play, but at the same time, he’s still a young kid, only in his fifth start… only 18 years old and you can tell the physical talent is there.”
— Matt Cassel [04:13]

• Both hosts agree: freshman QBs, even top recruits, aren’t worth $10M right out of high school. They argue for multi-year, incentive-based contracts to better align performance with payout.

“Nobody’s worth that much out of high school, right?... That’s gotta be a two- or a three-year deal.”
— Bobby Bones [07:02]

2. NIL Market and Transfer Landscape

[05:56-09:09]

• Discussion centers on how NIL and the transfer portal are changing recruiting. Matt and Bobby advocate investing NIL money into proven, older QBs instead of gambling on freshmen.
• Examples: DJ Lagway (highly recruited QB who struggled early) vs. Joey Aguilar (a transfer thriving at Tennessee).

3. Bobby’s Bad Sports Weekend

[09:09-15:18]

• Bobby shares his worst sports weekend: Arkansas Razorbacks lose, Cubs lose, wife predicts both, and Bobby faces painful sports fandom realities.
• The emotional weight of new coaching cycles and the toll of being a sports “loser” fan is discussed humorously.

“I’m at like an 11 on having teams that win. Like I got like a 96 on success in like professional, but like 11 on having sports teams that win.”
— Bobby Bones [14:25]

4. Coaching Carousel and Program Loyalty

[11:01-14:45]

• The crew evaluates what Arkansas should be looking for in a new coach—prior success at multiple stops, not flash-to-the-pan celebrity coaches.
• James Franklin is highlighted as an attractive candidate due to consistent 10-win seasons, though pressure from impatient fan bases is real.

5. Player Loyalty and the Transfer Portal Era

[07:39-08:22]

• Matt laments the lack of loyalty: massive NIL contracts, immediate eligibility, and “pay for play” mentality make it easy for players to jump ship for the next offer.

“There’s no loyalty, there’s no commitment… You see it time and time again, all these guys leaving, going to another school because they think they’re going to be in a better position to go make more money.”
— Matt Cassel [07:43]

6. Entertaining Off-Field and Locker Room Stories

[15:45-17:06]

• Matt’s best “fan gift” story: After getting sacked most in the NFL one week, he received a FedExed box of condoms for “extra protection” (not a known brand), sparking laughter from the crew.

“Dear Mr. Cassel, you were sacked the most in the NFL this past weekend. We thought you would need a little extra protection.”
— Matt Cassel [16:48]

7. NFL Team Rundowns and Injury Impact

[20:34-23:28]

• College and pro teams in flux: Big injury talk (Ravens, 49ers) and whether teams like Baltimore can rebound after getting healthy.
• Debate about whether Pittsburgh is as good as its 4–1 start and if the AFC North is up for grabs due to uneven performances and injuries.

“If the top dog in the division is the Steelers, which I think is a beatable Steelers team… But they’re going to have to get right sooner than later.”
— Matt Cassel [25:48]

8. Revenge Games & Field Storming

[29:17-31:19]

• The guys critique fans for storming the field after “routine” wins, saying it should be reserved for true upsets. Social media makes field rushing more common and viral.
• Revenge games: Anticipation around coaches and players facing their former teams, with emotions often running high but requiring focus.

“Of course you feel that as a human, as a player, as a competitor, you want to go out and quite frankly beat their [butt].”
— Matt Cassel [36:02]

9. Coaching Firings and Franchise Dysfunction

[31:21-34:45]

• The rapid firing of NFL coaches (specifically Callahan and previously Vrabel for Tennessee) is criticized. Too much churn at coach and GM positions leads to franchise instability and lack of fan base growth.

“It’s a perpetual cycle of continuing to lose when there is no consistency, even if it’s mid consistency, it’s just disaster.”
— Bobby Bones [31:58]

10. NFL Week 7: Top Matchups & Game Picks

[42:05-48:26]

• Eagles at Vikings:

  • Matt sides with the Vikings, citing coaching and home field.
  • Bobby picks the Eagles to bounce back.

• Colts at Chargers:

  • Both find this the most intriguing matchup.
  • Matt goes with the Colts and “Danny Dimes,” while Bobby expects the Chargers to win.

• Buccaneers at Lions:

  • Both take the Lions due to the Bucs’ and Lions’ injury lists, despite Bobby’s respect for Baker Mayfield’s playmaking.

Honorable Mentions:

• Falcons’ dominance over the Bills and recent resurgence is hailed as “most impressive team of the week.”
• Bobby praises Tampa Bay for refusing to fade from elite status, especially while facing injury adversity.

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Notable Quotes

• “Nobody’s worth that much out of high school, right?... That’s gotta be a two- or a three-year deal.”
  — Bobby Bones [07:02]

• “He’s not built to last long. … It’s going to be big and loud. … How long can it actually last?”
  — Bobby Bones on Cam Scatterboo’s violent play style [17:30-18:34]

• “There’s no loyalty, there’s no commitment… You see it time and time again, all these guys leaving, going to another school because they think they’re going to be in a better position to go make more money.”
  — Matt Cassel [07:43]

• “I’m at like an 11 on having teams that win. Like I got like a 96 on success in like professional, but like 11 on having sports teams that win.”
  — Bobby Bones [14:25]

• “Coaches aren’t even getting a chance to have a mid team.”
  — Bobby Bones on perpetual firings [31:54]

• “Revenge games are fun if they’re really... Of course you feel that as a human, as a player, as a competitor, you want to go out and quite frankly beat their [butt].”
  — Matt Cassel [36:02]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:01] Matt returns to USC, nostalgia and game experience
• [04:10] Bryce Underwood, NIL debate, freshman expectations
• [05:56] Incentive-based NIL contracts, transfer portal impact
• [09:09] DJ Lagway vs. Joey Aguilar: Freshman vs. Transfer QBs
• [09:42] Bobby’s disastrous sports weekend and Arkansas/Cubs fandom
• [11:06] Arkansas coaching search, James Franklin discussion
• [14:25] Bobby on his “bad sports luck”
• [15:45] Wildest gifts for NFL performance: Matt’s ‘condom’ story
• [20:34] Giants win for Dabol, KC’s offense outlook
• [23:37] Ravens and 49ers: injury impact, AFC North open?
• [29:17] Field storming debates, social media’s viral effect
• [31:21] NFL coaching churn—Callahan, Vrabel, franchise direction
• [36:13] Revenge games, emotions as motivators and distractions
• [38:36] Most impressive NFL teams of the week (Falcons, Bucs)
• [42:05] Week 7 NFL previews and gambling talk
• [49:41] Tease for next episode: Ryan Succop interview coming

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Memorable Moments

• Matt’s locker room 'extra protection' FedEx package after a tough week of sacks [16:48]
• Bobby weighing a major career moment (CMAs) against the Cubs’ World Series Game 7, and choosing baseball [15:04]
• Lively debate about who should storm fields and when [29:17]
• Light-hearted speculation on earring and piercing choices for Bobby and Matt [37:05]

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, friendly banter—personal stories, teasing, and football nerd-outs abound.
• Analytical yet playful—breaking down NIL dynamics and rosters, while still riffing on locker room humor and sports superstitions.
• Inclusive and relatable—expresses both fan and player perspectives, making it enjoyable for insiders and casual listeners alike.

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Next Episode Sneak Peek

Stay tuned for the follow-up episode featuring an interview with Super Bowl champion kicker Ryan Succop—promised to be full of insider stories from an NFL specialist’s unique career.

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Transcript

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[Bobby Bones]

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We got lots to say.

We got.

[Bobby Bones]

Lots to say.

[Matt Castle]

We'Re glad you're here and we hope you stay Cause we.

[Bobby Bones]

Got lots to say yeah we got lots to say. Now here's Bobby and Mad well it was the tal of two cities. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times you know Charles Dickens?

[Matt Castle]

Sure did. I used to read him a lot.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, you can go first because you were at your alma mater. USC got you a nice win this weekend, man.

[Matt Castle]

It was huge to be back. This is the first time since working for NBC doing college football in the Big Ten that we've actually got to go to usc. So I have not been to a game at USC since I played there.

[Bobby Bones]

Wow.

[Matt Castle]

It's been that long because during it, for 14 years, I was playing during season and even during the bye weeks, I was in another state. And so I was just. It was hard to get back. So to be able to go back, and especially for a game like that against Michigan, huge game for USC as a program. It was a big game for Michigan, but then to see a bunch of familiar faces. Willie McGinnis was there, Marcus Allen, some of my old teammates, Frosty Rucker, Sonny Bird, Matt Barkley is a guy that I didn't play with, but I've known for a long time it was just an outstanding environment. And then for them to go out and dominate the way that they did. And you know, as a reporter, you're not supposed to, especially a guy that works the sideline, giving analytical work on both teams, you're not supposed to be like. But I stood on the sideline for the entire second half, and a lot of times I'll go back to the truck and watch it there, but I was like, let's go.

[Bobby Bones]

It was fun, though.

[Matt Castle]

It was awesome.

[Bobby Bones]

That's.

[Matt Castle]

It was awesome. And it lived up to all the expectations of the game. So it was great.

[Bobby Bones]

What'd you think about Bryce Underwood on the other side?

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, you know, I think he's. He's still growing up before our own eyes. I mean, he'll make this spectacular play, but at the same time, he's still a young kid, only in his fifth start. He's eight. What, he's 18 years old and you can tell the physical talent is there. He's going to be great. But I also believe that they have to continue to surround him with more pieces, particular at the wide receiver position, because right now they're still built as a team that's going to try to run the football to win, win the game. And they've got a guy or two, but nobody that truly scares you as a number one alpha wide receiver on the. And that's hard to do. To go out and ask your quarterback to go consistently excel in the pass game when you don't have the dudes on the outside.

[Bobby Bones]

It's so weird to think about nil money for freshmen coming in because obviously that was a. It's a famous story at this point of Bryce Underwood and all the money he got to decommit from lsu, stay at Michigan, which is where he's from.

[Matt Castle]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

So he makes millions of dollars and as a freshman you're really only going to do so much. And he is a five star, like.

[Matt Castle]

No doubt about it, number one recruit in the nation.

[Bobby Bones]

Absolutely. If anybody can do it, it's him. And even he can't be so transcendental that he's going to change that team. Right, right. For them to make that much money as a freshman, that's where these contracts need to happen, like these two and three year contracts. Because the kid can come in as a five star and he can be transcendent and he's going to be eventually. But you're watching the best really be pretty good in comparison to the other players on the field. He's 18, playing 21, 22 year olds. It's crazy he's making so much money as a freshman. This is one why one of those arguments of I love nil, I think players should make money, but I think when you're coming in making all that money, it needs to be a two or three year deal.

[Matt Castle]

And I believe the same thing. But I also, there's part of me like it should be incentive based. You should. If you start however many games and you get however many first few million, but if you hit these markers, whether it's passing yards, whether it's touchdowns, then all of a sudden that elevates to keep it to where, hey, it's performance based because at the end of the day these guys are coming to school getting paid in his scenario, $10 million. And you haven't stepped on the field yet and proven yourself because there's so many different scenarios that go along with that. And obviously him coming to that school as a number one recruit is going to help with recruiting down the road. It's going to help with notoriety and all the different things. And he's also a hell of a player and he's to continue to develop, but he's not, he's not there right now and this team's not there right now. And it's just wild to think that he's going to make $10 million or whatever it is, $12 million in next year. There's no obligation for him to stay at Michigan. He could go to lsu, he could go anywhere in the country if he wants to. And they would just spend $12 million on him for one year. And this is all hypothetical, but that's developing a quarterback.

[Bobby Bones]

They just spent 10 million bucks developing a quarterback for somebody else. Because there is no freshman that I've seen. Because you can go to the Dylan Raiola's, you can go to the Bryce Underwoods, you can go to the Jackson Arnolds, the five star guys that come in hyped out of their mind and rightfully so because of what they were, how they earned those five stars. But nobody's worth that much out of high school, right? So when you are paid that much out of high school, I think that is the perfect time for there to be a. We're going to pay you this much but we know you can only be so good your freshman year, right. That it's gotta be a two or a three year deal.

[Matt Castle]

You'd hope, right?

[Bobby Bones]

But it's not.

[Matt Castle]

There's not.

[Bobby Bones]

But hopefully it gets there.

[Matt Castle]

There's no loyalty, there's no commitment if to have to stay there. And there's no incentive to stay there other than the money. But they, all these other schools that are need a quarterback and say hey, I've got a better situation. You see it time and time again, all these guys leaving, going to another school because they think they're going to be in a better position to go make more money.

[Bobby Bones]

I just wouldn't go after a freshman quarterback. I wouldn't go. If I had let's say $8 million in a school that was semi attractive, I'd pay 6, 7, 8 million bucks for a sophomore junior from another school that had proven that had matured than a five star that's coming in for the same amount. Because you're going to get so much more from it.

[Matt Castle]

And that's exactly. Case in Point Indiana, they go out and get Fernando Mendoza. He's a graduate senior, he's somebody that's played a lot of football. You can plug and play, you understand what he is. Now you're going to try to work with him on the subtle things, footwork, processing within your offensive scheme. But those guys are plug and play right now and you kind of have a understanding of is he a finished product? No, I think we can get him a little bit better. But we also know through his maturity and what we've seen on film that this guy can perform at a high level. So I'm in agreement with you because when you take a five star, it's still a major adjustment for a young kid to come in on that stage and perform Right now, right away, at the highest of level against guys like you're saying that are third, fourth, fifth year guys that have been doing it for a long period of time.

[Bobby Bones]

DJ Lagway is another example of a kid who came in as a five star. Joey Aguilar is an example of the opposite. Right, who wasn't the highest touted kid, but he's killing it at Tennessee because he did put in the years. He is inside of a scheme. He was at UCLA for a minute and then made the trade. Yeah. Yeah. That's fun that you got to go to that game. My, my sports weekend was terrible. It was, it was literally one of my worst ever.

[Matt Castle]

Because. Yeah, I, I know. I, I saw some of your socials and just you were potentially going to go the game, but you said, you know, I'm, I'm just going to stay home, I'm going to watch them both. Talk to me about it.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, no, it was, I was going that morning and I was going by myself because I, I was just going to go and be a little red blop in a sea of orange at Tennessee. And my wife's like, I think you should reconsider. And I'm like, cause you want me here. You're pregnant. You need me. She goes, no, not at all. I'm fine. I said, then why? She goes, your two teams are playing the same day, and if they both lose, the one thing you're not going to want to do is drive four hours home. It is going to be miserable for you. And I got a little offended. And I'm like, what do you mean? She goes, well, and they're both not the favorites, so you think they're both going to win? She goes, I don't think either is going to win. And again I get like, I get like offended again. And I said, okay, well, when Arkansas wins, I'll show you. And then they didn't. And it was terrible. And then the Cubs lost too, and it was terrible. So she was right. In the end.

[Matt Castle]

What was the harder loss to take?

[Bobby Bones]

Well, the Arkansas loss was harder for me because it was kind of new. Bobby Petrino is back. We had a week off. It just felt like new seasons. We're only 01 in the SEC, right? And those teams, all those teams are going to lose a couple of games. There's so much parity now. I knew the Cubs just didn't have the pitching. They didn't have the depth. We've known that all year. So I felt like, man, if we win this game, against the Brewers. That's awesome. We're about to get run by the Dodgers, but that's cool. But the. Arkansas lost her Worse.

[Matt Castle]

Did it stung?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, yeah, it hurt.

[Matt Castle]

Is there a chance that Bobby's still there at the. What's he gonna have to do to retain that position?

[Bobby Bones]

Great. I'm glad you asked. Thank you so much.

[Matt Castle]

I know we've been up on all.

[Bobby Bones]

The list, hard hitting all the boards.

[Matt Castle]

Recently, reading all the.

[Bobby Bones]

He needs to win four games.

[Matt Castle]

Four games. Is it that.

[Bobby Bones]

I wouldn't say it because Kevin could pull up the rest of the schedule because we have Texas A and M, we have lsu, we have Texas, we have Mississippi State and Missouri.

[Matt Castle]

Mississippi State. Surprising some people.

[Bobby Bones]

All those teams are surprising people. So I think those are. Is that it? Those five. I know, yeah.

[Kevin]

You said A and M, Auburn, Mississippi State, lsu, Texas and Missouri.

[Bobby Bones]

Yep. So if. If he. If he goes four and two, but, you know, four of those teams are ranked, I think he gets looked at for the job. I think we're going to have. Now. I know I get. I'm lucky enough to be in some of the conversations, the. The surface conversations with boosters. Of course, I'm not giving him a million dollars, so I'll say that up front. I'm not part of that.

[Matt Castle]

You might.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm not. Nope. Nope, not.

[Matt Castle]

What about Gruden came in.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't want.

[Matt Castle]

Greta. Okay, never mind now.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't want Gruden. I don't want, like a celebrity splash coach.

[Matt Castle]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

I want a coach who has either A one at different levels consistently.

[Matt Castle]

Like the Super Bowl's not good enough for you.

[Bobby Bones]

I feel like he went. What, didn't he go in, though, and take Dungey's team?

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

So, yeah, he still was a Super bowl winning coach.

[Bobby Bones]

That's fine. But if he hasn't won most places he's been. I'm not even hating on Gruden. It's great. I like Jon Gruden just fine. I think he comes in, though, as like a celebrity coach. People just want the name.

[Matt Castle]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

I would rather have someone that has won at multiple levels or at smaller schools and has been a 10, 11 game winner in multiple places. I even like a James Franklin. Like the fact that people are going, you don't want Franklin. He's washed, dude. He completely turned the program around.

[Matt Castle]

He wins 10 games every single year. And until this year, it was the losses were to two teams, Ohio State and Michigan, prior. And then this year's been an absolute debacle. The Oregon game One one, Oregon's totally fine.

[Bobby Bones]

They go for two, maybe the game's over.

[Matt Castle]

They got beat by ucla, road trip and then Northwestern last week. So then yeah, with that fan base and the expectation of that fan base and that's the, that's the thing sometimes about fan bases that can be a little bit frustrating. Penn State hasn't won a national championship since 1986.

[Bobby Bones]

Like Joe Paterno.

[Matt Castle]

Joe Paterno, 1986, that's the last time they played in the national championship.

[Bobby Bones]

The weird thing for us at Arkansas is all these jobs are now opening up, which makes it even harder to get the coach, right? Because everybody's trying to get the coach. If it's going to be Florida, if it's going to be Auburn, if it's going to be Virginia Tech, if it's. You could just go down the line for sure. So yeah, I don't know. I kind of am uninvested emotionally, but I would like to have somebody who's won multiple places at a high level. So James Franklin's cool because he wanted Vanderbilt, he wanted Penn State, like that's good. It's not going to be James Franklin because we're not. We're going to end up with like a really offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator from somewhere. I know what's going to happen, but it'd be nice to get. Listen, whatever. It's just not going to end up well. But nothing ever does for me. I'm the biggest freaking loser when it comes to happening. I have a theory about life that you know when you're born, a certain amount of good fortune that is bestowed on you and it's like Madden ratings, right? Like you could have an 87 throwing power, you could have a 91 speed, a 41 awareness. I have my number. My mad numbers were high. Professionally I was given grit and drive. Not a lot of talent, but grit and drive. And I've had success because of that. I'm at like an 11 on having teams that win. Like I got like a 96 on success in like professional, but like 11 on having sports teams that win. And that's just the way it came.

[Matt Castle]

I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry for you. It's going to break through at some point. I don't know if it is at Arkansas, to be honest with you, but it's not Cubbies. Cubbies will.

[Bobby Bones]

But they won in 16 and that was amazing. I think I told you that story. It was my first time ever to go on the CMAs on freaking CBS first time they ever invited me to be as one of the people on the actual television show. And it was game seven of the World Series. And I told them, I can't do the show.

[Matt Castle]

Let's go.

[Bobby Bones]

So I stayed and watched the Cubs in the world at home by myself.

[Matt Castle]

Now, that is sports loyalty.

[Bobby Bones]

Just because I was like, I've been waiting my whole life for this.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. And this is. I got to be there in present for it.

[Bobby Bones]

I skipped the show and watched the Cubs win after a rain delay. And it was. It was worth it.

[Matt Castle]

Worth every.

[Bobby Bones]

Every minute because they won. Nice Dodger hat, by the way. That's a good hat.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Matt Castle]

Lax. I've not seen lax was selling them. I get off the plane, I was like, that. That looks pretty good. I'm in la. Let's go.

[Bobby Bones]

That's a good Dodger hat there.

[Matt Castle]

Thank you. The Doyers.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, that's right. I didn't know what you were saying.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, I know. I know.

[Bobby Bones]

Hispanic population, says Dodgers.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

With that accent.

[Matt Castle]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

100. I like it. Okay, let's go back and forth. You want to go first? Sure. Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

Did you see that? Cam scatterbill was offered $10,000 worth of lap dances at a gentleman's club in New York for, I guess, his recent performances. Pretty. Pretty impressive thing. And it made me think.

[Bobby Bones]

I was.

[Matt Castle]

I was trying to think about, was there any time that I was ever offered something even remotely close to that and I couldn't come up with anything. But I do remember it was the day after a game, we were playing away. I get into my locker, and there's a FedEx package there. And the FedEx package, I open it, and there's all these condoms in there. And it had this sheet with letterhead, and it says, Dear Mr. Castle, you were sacked the most in the NFL this past weekend. We thought you would need a little extra protection. So here are. And I forget what type of condom. They weren't even a. No. Like a condom that you'd recognize. Like a Trojan or. It was like a random brand new condom thing. So we gave you however many condoms to add that protection for you this week.

[Bobby Bones]

That's funny.

[Matt Castle]

And I started laughing out loud. I was like, well, one. I didn't know I was sacked the most this week, but the fact that they sent it overnight mail. And I was like, it's pretty good advertising.

[Bobby Bones]

If there had been social media back.

[Matt Castle]

Then, because I think that that probably would have been it. Yeah. Because I think Twitter was around, but I didn't have an account Extra protection. Extra protection.

[Bobby Bones]

That's cool. Speaking of Cam Scatter. Scatter Boo, like, he's. That's. That's just going to be like Lynn Sanity. Right?

[Matt Castle]

It's absurd. The two of those combination together between Scatter Boo and his star power and then Jackson Dart and the Swag and Moxie those two have. They're going to take over that city if they keep winning.

[Bobby Bones]

See, but here's why I compare it to Linsanity. This is not going to last long. He's not built to last long.

[Matt Castle]

Who? Scatter Boo?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

Like, I don't know, dude, how he plays, he reminds me of all Stott, just Beast.

[Bobby Bones]

But he's not as big. I don't think he's not as big as all Star was like to. It's awesome to watch. I like watching Scatter Boot. I think we like to see people that look different and maybe have. That don't have the advantage that other people. Listen, he's not the fastest guy. He's not the biggest guy, but he's a baller. Yeah. Like, he. He just goes in and we like that. But I don't think you can play at that pace and also at that aggression level and not get hurt.

[Matt Castle]

I think that's a superpower for him, though, because like you said, it is a. It's already a physical game, but he's delivering the punishment rather than taking the punishment. And I think that that is an advantage.

[Bobby Bones]

Scatter Boo until you get hurt.

[Matt Castle]

Well, that's every player that goes out.

[Bobby Bones]

On the spot, but every player is not launching themselves like that. I'm not a Scatter Boo hater. I like it. I like the Arizona State. I just. I just see that as like a fireball. It's going to be big and loud. It's going to look awesome for a second. But how long can it actually last?

[Matt Castle]

I hope it lasts a long time because I enjoy watching that guy play. Honestly, it's awesome to watch somebody go out there.

[Bobby Bones]

You're making me feel like a hater because I'm not a hater. I like Scottaboo a lot.

[Matt Castle]

No, you're worried that he's going to get hurt, which I understand your concern because again, the way in which he plays the game is very violent and you already take a lot of hits.

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[Bobby Bones]

Do you like that the Giants are winning for D?

[Matt Castle]

I do. I mean, I know Brian Dabel. He's with me in New England. He was also with me in Kansas City. He's a guy that I've got a tremendous amount of respect for. He's. He's an emotional coach. He loves his players. He's going to get after him, but he's. He's one of those guys that I cheer for and root for because again, it goes back like we've talked about before, to relationships. And there's people that you root for because of the time that you spent together. And he's always going to be one of those guys for me.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, I'll take over now and I'll go with Kansas City. And they're back. They were never gone.

[Matt Castle]

They're never gone. I mean, they went through their ups and downs and they've had a lot of injuries, particularly at the wide receiver position, but they were never gone. It was just the panic button that everybody pushes. Early in the season when Worthy wasn't.

[Bobby Bones]

There, you saw a limited offense.

[Matt Castle]

He comes back this Week, Right.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, Worthy has been there.

[Matt Castle]

I mean, he's been back.

[Bobby Bones]

Rasheed Rice is coming back.

[Matt Castle]

Rasheed Rice comes back this week.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Now the Chiefs are starting to become. And I was listening to them talk during the game on Monday night or Sunday night. There's too many games on Monday nights now. But it's Sunday night, right?

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

By the way, that's another thing. No more two games on Monday night. It's one game on Monday night.

[Matt Castle]

I know. You can't focus that hard on two games on a Monday night. You're like, it's a Monday.

[Bobby Bones]

People have work where it was like, kansas City feels better this year about this team than they did last year and that team, because last year they're winning those games like crazy. Like, it was like a block kick against the Broncos, like, every game. Kansas City was like pulling a rabbit out of their butt.

[Matt Castle]

It was ridiculous.

[Bobby Bones]

Not their hat, their butt. It's a whole different hole to come out of.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, it's definitely different. It's dirtier.

[Bobby Bones]

It is.

[Matt Castle]

It's a dirty win.

[Kevin]

There's two games next Monday, by the way.

[Matt Castle]

Of course there is. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

You got to be like, I love it. I love football. I love the NFL. Obviously, work for the NFL, but I just wish there weren't two at the same time on a Monday night. I need one to focus on. And also, it's too many fantasy players that are still yet to play. We need that to happen. You need that to almost be done to, like, one guy on each team, Max. It's when it's like two on one side, one on the other. Like, that's annoying. But Kansas City, they have Broncos. Week before that, a buy, and the week before that, which is next week, they do have a winnable game. Who are they playing next week?

[Kevin]

So they got the Raiders this week.

[Bobby Bones]

That's it. The Raiders. Raiders.

[Kevin]

Buy Commanders.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, Commanders.

[Kevin]

Raiders. Commanders. Bills, Broncos.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, so I really screwed that up, but I got all the teams in there.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I just said all the teams.

[Kevin]

Wrong order.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Kansas City is a very tough schedule, but I'm pretty excited for them.

[Matt Castle]

I'm excited for them, too. I mean, because again, it's the success factor for them that the. Everybody enjoys when they lose for some reason, and it's just because they're winners and they consistently win and. And they want to see somebody else. But at the end of the day, you still have Patrick Mahomes.

[Bobby Bones]

The league is better when the Chiefs are good.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. 100%. Love them, hate them. I don't care but it's better when the Kansas City Chiefs are good.

[Bobby Bones]

The league is better when big time quarterbacks have teams that are good.

[Matt Castle]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

Because that is a fully quarterback league.

[Matt Castle]

It is. It always has been. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, back over to you.

[Matt Castle]

Okay. I guess who's in a worse position here? Because you look at the Ravens in the injuries that they've sustained and they have had nine starters including Lamar and Humphries and all these different guys go out, but they're also one in five. But then you look at the 49ers and they just lost Fred Warner and you already have Bosa out and you already have Kittle out. And I don't even think Brandon Ayuk has played yet.

[Bobby Bones]

But you haven't even mentioned him.

[Matt Castle]

Purdy. I was going to say Purdy. Even though Mac Jones has done a very good job stepping in for him. But that team's 4 and 2. But I don't know where Baltimore goes from here until they get healthy. But it just looks like it's in complete disarray because the way that the defense is played this season, I don't care who's quarterbacking. I don't know if they can win any of those games.

[Bobby Bones]

I think Baltimore wins the division.

[Matt Castle]

Do you really?

[Bobby Bones]

I do. I think they'll lose one more. They have a buy. I think that's when Lamar Jackson comes back. And I think at that point they're one and six again. I was so wrong on the. The Chiefs just going by memory, but. So I think they have.

[Matt Castle]

You want to go through their schedule.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't. They play next week and then there's a buy. Or maybe there's a buy next week.

[Kevin]

There's a buy this week.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. So then the bet. Then he's back though.

[Kevin]

Then he's back.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. They're going to rattle off like six or seven, get back to.500 and get in as one of those lower seeds and that's trouble. All they got to do is get in.

[Matt Castle]

If they get in and they get healthy, then yes, I agree. I picked them to win the Super Bowl. In my preseason polls, I picked.

[Bobby Bones]

And everybody's talking about that still.

[Matt Castle]

Of course they are. Everybody.

[Bobby Bones]

Preseason.

[Matt Castle]

Like, look at this guy. They had no idea. Look at a 1 and 5.

[Bobby Bones]

But look at the division, though.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So look.

[Matt Castle]

I mean, who's got the.

[Bobby Bones]

It's the Steelers.

[Matt Castle]

Steelers are four and one.

[Bobby Bones]

Right. And they're only. Okay.

[Matt Castle]

Right. But there's four and one is a great start for the Steelers. And so.

[Bobby Bones]

But if I got to have A team that's four and one in my conference. I want it to be a team like the Steelers that just looked only. Okay. Cincinnati's got two wins, right?

[Kevin]

Yep.

[Bobby Bones]

Yep. Baltimore's got one win. Cleveland, do they even play? Are they done?

[Matt Castle]

Cleveland, what, one in five? Because they beat. They beat Green Bay, right?

[Kevin]

Green Bay, Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So my point is I don't think Pittsburgh is good enough to run away with it. And I think that it. That that division is still a bit wide open as far as if Lamar comes back and they're able to peel off and get the 500. I think they can still win the division.

[Matt Castle]

It could be a crazy year in that sense, just because of where the division is. And like you said, if the top dog in the division is the Steelers, which I think is a beatable Steelers team, then they. But they're going to have to get right sooner than later.

[Bobby Bones]

But you can push back. You think the Steelers are good?

[Matt Castle]

When I say I do think, I think the Steelers are playing good football. I think they've got really good defense. I'd say good defense, maybe not as elite as they have been in the past, but a good defense that can keep them in ball games. I think Aaron Rodgers playing at a really high level and they're figuring it out like they're able to run the football, play action, pass. DK Metcalf is a absolute beast on the outside, so he provides that security blanket. But you don't see this dramatic fall off with Aaron Rodgers game where you're saying, dude, he's so old. Like some of these guys that stick around just too long and their skills diminish to a point where they're a shell of what they used to be. Aaron Rodgers can still play at a really high level. He might not have the same athleticism and that quick twitch that he used to have, but when he throws the ball, it still jumps out of his hand. And he's been doing it for such a long time and such a great competitor that he's a guy that I trust that puts him in a position where he can go out and manage the game and let that defense eat a little bit, too.

[Bobby Bones]

All right, I'll go with a guy that soon enough it's going to be time for him to hang it up. But I think he's got one more decent year in him, and I think it's Joe Flacco. I'm here. I'm a Flaco guy.

[Matt Castle]

I'm a huge Flacco guy. And he did. I love the fact that he just got traded within the division, goes out and they say, hey, you're playing on Sunday. New. New offense and I don't know how much carryover there is. Nonetheless, it's new personnel, new linemen, new calls, and he just goes out and plays. Plays at a high level.

[Bobby Bones]

I would say. Semi competitive.

[Matt Castle]

Yes, very competitive.

[Bobby Bones]

Week one with that team. They didn't. He didn't have a full week with them. I think the Bengals end up winning seven or eight games this season, and that's a lot, considering.

[Matt Castle]

That's a lot.

[Bobby Bones]

It was going to be the two they won with Burrow and that's it, I guess. Jake Brown, does he get the credit for that win? He didn't start the game.

[Matt Castle]

No, he doesn't.

[Bobby Bones]

He doesn't get the credit. Right.

[Matt Castle]

That's the unfortunate part for him because.

[Bobby Bones]

He played most of the game.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. Burrow goes out in like the first series.

[Kevin]

Didn't you. You didn't get credit for the win and you came in after the first play, right?

[Matt Castle]

No, it was like the first. First or second series of the game that Brady goes out. We had zero points on the board. So when we ended up winning the game, so I was part of scoring all those points, he got the win.

[Bobby Bones]

Justice for Castle. Hashtag justice for Castle.

[Matt Castle]

Pretty sure he's not worried about it too much. Yeah. Sorry, Bob.

[Bobby Bones]

That's how it goes. I think the Bengals end up winning seven or eight games because Joe Burrow is going to be a steady enough quarterback to not have Jamar Chase and T. Higgins constantly upset. They're not getting the ball.

[Matt Castle]

And he's a dude. He understands the dynamics. When you have two number one wide receivers, one and then one A with T. Higgins, that if I just get them the ball because he's so skilled at throwing it, he's a pure passer of the football. So if they can protect him, he'll figure it out with those two dudes on the outside and be able to give them an opportunity to go make plays on a consistent basis. And that's what they need right now. If they get some offensive production, I mean, they're a team that could compete still. It's not like this season's down the tube.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, it's pretty far down the tube. It is not all the way. It is, but you just said in that division. That's the only reason that season isn't fully down the tube. And I'm giving Pittsburgh no respect. I know. I get it. I'm giving them no respect, but they haven't earned my respect.

[Matt Castle]

Everybody has a chance in the AFC North.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes. All right, you're up.

[Matt Castle]

All right. Can we make a rule in college football right now? Your boy, Deion Sanders. The Colorado Buffalo upset Iowa state. They're ranked 22nd. They rush the field. Why do they, why do people do that? Shouldn't it be like 100% a rule that it's got to be a top five opponent and you're such an underdog that nobody believed you're a 20 point underdog? I don't understand why people rush the field when you beat the 22nd ranked team in the nation.

[Bobby Bones]

I think it's a great point. Here's my theory, is that the more rushing the field is seen, the more people want to rush the field. So the more that social media is showing, for example, the Virginia, Florida State game, that's the coolest rush in the field I think I've ever seen.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, they were, they were over the dude.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes.

[Matt Castle]

They literally stomped on that dude. It was like right gear.

[Bobby Bones]

Like as soon as the pass was incomplete, they were on the field. It was unbelievable. And I think you're seeing more rushing the field, which then goes viral, which then really creates more fans wanting to rush the field and be inside of a viral moment. I agree with you. You should only rush the field, especially now whenever your administration has to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for the second and third offense. Same thing with rushing the court. But I think social media is actually creating it because it looks so fun. It's happening more and more. We're seeing it more and more which then creates it more and more because you're right, you beat the number 22 team. Hey, that's pretty cool.

[Matt Castle]

That's great.

[Bobby Bones]

Let's go get something to eat. Yeah, like that's what it should be. Let's get some wings. What a win.

[Matt Castle]

Well, that was the same thing this weekend. We were sitting there and Catherine Tappin, our sideline performer, reporter, comes up to us on the sideline and say, hey, they're telling us the security, telling us that they're probably going to rush the field after this game. I'm like, hold on, USC's fans are going to rush the field. We're beating the 15th ranked Michigan. Like it's. We've had bigger games in the history of this stadium and also this, this program. It's a big win for us at this juncture of the season. But I was like, there's no way. Thank God they did not rush the.

[Bobby Bones]

Thank God they did not because they.

[Matt Castle]

Would have been my number one. I would have been like, yeah, Trojan fans, stay back. We got bigger fish to fry.

[Bobby Bones]

Talk about Callahan getting fired.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Tennessee. Did you know him at all?

[Matt Castle]

I didn't know him at all, actually. I've never been. I've never played with him or been around him. I've heard he's a great guy, but again, don't know him really as a coach.

[Bobby Bones]

One of five.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

This year I just feel like four in what.

[Matt Castle]

16?

[Bobby Bones]

Well, yeah, I mean we could quickly do the math. So 17 games last year and six games this year and three wins. Close enough.

[Kevin]

Four. 19.

[Matt Castle]

Four and 19. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't. I think you have to give every coach two years. What did you expect? There's a reason you had the number.

[Matt Castle]

One pick and you fired the GM that you brought him in with last year.

[Bobby Bones]

That's. It's a perpetual cycle of continuing to lose when there is no consistency, even if it's mid consistency, it's just disaster. So they didn't even give him a chance to have a mid team.

[Matt Castle]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

And I think you got to give them at least two. This is not college football where you can go out and buy players each year. Now there are contracts in the NFL, but those contracts are two, three, four, five years. They have to stay within a contract. You can't just go and reshape your team in the NFL. Right. They were the number one pick for a reason. I don't know the guy. I'm not even a Titans fan, but I feel like it kind of sucks that they keep firing people. It sucks they fired Vrabel.

[Matt Castle]

Well, that's what it's the front office. Right? It starts with the front office. It starts with ownership. You go from Wizen Hunt to Malarkey to Vrabel, then get rid of Vrabel and you hire Callahan and it's just this continuous cycle. And when you finally have a guy in Vrabel that consistently wins particularly early and then has two down years, they're like, we're done with him. But it's also the general manager position. You've changed three general managers in the last three regimes and it's. How do you find consistency there to where you develop and have an understanding for what direction you're trying to take your program. So now you're going to fire him. And the other sad part about it is you've got a first round draft pick and Cam Ward and yes, it's one in five right now in season. You're trying to develop him to some degree. But now you're starting all over with him and what direction are they going to go there? He's going to have to start all over next year with a new head coach, a new offensive coordinator, and you're not putting him in a position to be successful. Who's supposedly going to be the future of your franchise?

[Bobby Bones]

Jets probably end up with that number one pick, but there's a chance they don't. It could easily be the Titans.

[Matt Castle]

Easily.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you do if you're the Titans? You draft another quarterback because the front office was inconsistent. Because you're blaming the play of a quarterback like Cam Ward on actually the inconsistency of the front office because he had no chance.

[Matt Castle]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

So. And then they wonder why don't we have fans? This is why you don't have fans.

[Matt Castle]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

You don't win.

[Matt Castle]

And I think that that is probably part of the reasoning at this point is the fan base is so down on this team, particularly here in Tennessee with the new stadium coming and all that stuff, that they've got to try to create some excitement. So they're going to go out and make another hire and hopefully get a hire that brings what coach worth their.

[Bobby Bones]

Salt is going to take that job?

[Matt Castle]

Who knows? That's what I'm saying at this point. Because what's my leash? You know what I mean?

[Bobby Bones]

Exactly.

[Matt Castle]

Especially an experienced coach that's been around the league and understands it. If you don't have a loyalty to your coach or give him some time to develop a roster, develop a team and what he vision envisions it to be, it's going to be hard pressed that you go out to get any top name guy.

[Bobby Bones]

Seahawks are good too, by the way.

[Matt Castle]

Seahawks are awesome. My boy Sammy Darnold ripping it around.

[Bobby Bones]

Patriots are good too.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Anything you want to say on the Patriots?

[Kevin]

Yeah, man. Watching Drake May, it's just a thing of beauty. He just looks so calm, comfortable, poised. I think McDaniels has really got him dialed into that offense and they have no running game right now and he's still just slinging it, man. It's fun to watch.

[Bobby Bones]

Now he's really glazing on him. You should know that Kevin's wearing a Patriots hat like he's a Patriots guy.

[Kevin]

Oh, yeah. And they're coming to town this weekend, boys.

[Matt Castle]

But you don't even have to be a. Yeah, they're playing the Titans.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

Maybe that's why they.

[Bobby Bones]

He's going to beat him by 50 if has a chance to. For both reasons because they Fired him. Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

And. And plus maybe they fired Brian o' Callaghan early because they're like, well, this is going to be embarrassment even worse next weekend that we fired Frable for this. This guy, and he's going to put potentially 50 on him.

[Bobby Bones]

Revenge games are fun if they're really. Are they. Were they a thing to you?

[Matt Castle]

You know, it's one of those things if somebody fires you or lets you go or you're playing your old team, that it maybe didn't end the way that you wanted to. Of course you feel that as a human, as a player, as a competitor, you want to go out and quite frankly beat their. There's no doubt about it. But you sometimes can't let that emotions get in the way of actually going out and executing the way you need to execute, because there are emotions that come with that that you have to somehow put aside and just go out and execute the game plan. Particularly as a player, as a coach, you know, I'm sure that there's a vendetta out to come back here and.

[Bobby Bones]

Say the three revenge games so far in my mind, I'm going to go ahead and put the game coming up this weekend because I think that variable is going to want to hang half a hundred on them. At number two, I'm going to put the Micah Parsons versus the Cowboys game earlier this year, which didn't really turn out well for Michael Parsons. It was a tie.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, it was a tie. Nobody won.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, nobody won. But at number one, I'm going to put a game from this past week. Rico Dowdle, who ran for.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, my God.

[Bobby Bones]

Who ran for another 200 yards against the Cowboys. 200 last week. But this was an angry 200 against.

[Matt Castle]

The Cowboys, and he was selling those tickets. He's talking smack on social media. And then to go and back it up the way that he did. What, he rushed for 170 and had another. He had over two one. Yeah, he had over 200 yards total offense, scored a few touchdowns. That kid's a dog.

[Bobby Bones]

And also, he's got a really cool piercing in his face.

[Matt Castle]

Where's his piercing?

[Bobby Bones]

Right in this cheek right here, I think.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, see, don't mess with people that have piercings in their face.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you ever have an earring?

[Matt Castle]

Huh? I lost a bet one time in high school on my. My left ear, and I forget what the bet was, so I had to go get this thing pierced and I had it pierced for. I think it was supposed to be for a week. I had pierced for two days and I went in and my football coach told me, he says, castle, what the hell is in your ear? So coach, I lost a bet. He said, take that out right now. I said, yes, sir. So, had an earring? Yeah. Lasted pretty long. Did you ever have earrings?

[Bobby Bones]

No.

[Matt Castle]

I could see you as a nose guy.

[Bobby Bones]

No, I had a tongue piercing.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, that would be awesome.

[Bobby Bones]

No, I didn't have.

[Matt Castle]

No.

[Bobby Bones]

Are you guys kidding?

[Matt Castle]

Just swollen tongue. Hey, why does Bobby have a lisp today?

[Bobby Bones]

I thought about in, in that instant as I was coming up with that joke, just somehow my mind works. I thought, what would be funnier, a tongue piercing or a belly button piercing? And I thought, what would be more. The more effeminate one that you guys would be like, oh, haha. And I went with tongue over belly button. Would belly button have been funnier?

[Kevin]

No.

[Matt Castle]

The tongue or a nipple ring? Well, that would be pretty nipple rings though.

[Bobby Bones]

Here's the thing. Punk guys wear them and they look cool.

[Matt Castle]

I don't know about that.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, like punk rock guys. Like, like the eight, like the Ramones, the. All those guys with like nipple rings.

[Matt Castle]

You don't think that I just never looked at it as like a fashion cool.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I wouldn't wear it, but I like, I'm like, those guys are punk. They'll put a hole in anything.

[Matt Castle]

Seriously. That's a true statement.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Last question for both of us. What team impressed you most this week of. Of the entire NFL slate of action, who was the most impressive team to you?

[Matt Castle]

To me, especially from a standpoint of a win, it was the Falcons, because the Falcons are playing the Buffalo Bills. And when you look at the Falcons just a few weeks ago getting just dominated, blown out, 37 to nothing against Carolina and you go, where's this going to go? And now they've rolled out, I think two straight. One against Washington, one against the Bills last night. And really they had the Bills in check, that offense in check for the entirety of the night. And offensively, Bijon Robinson, my goodness, is that kid a superstar? He's an absolute superstar. So just watching the rebound effect from that early season loss and to get blown out that way and to come back, get it together and the defense is playing better. Michael Pennix is coming along. Drake London's the stud. I mean, I just, I was impressed with that win at home last night.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm going to go back to Tampa because they just keep proving that they should stay in the conversation of elite teams because I think we keep waiting for them to prove that they're just a mid to pretty good team, right? But they don't.

[Matt Castle]

No, they don't. But then you also look at the injuries that they have.

[Bobby Bones]

Everybody's hurt.

[Matt Castle]

Emeka Abuka, Mike Evans. You go down the line. I think they're just starting. Four wide receivers were out and I got it.

[Bobby Bones]

I got seven snaps. I don't know if you guys saw me. I was in the game.

[Matt Castle]

I'm telling you, they might, they might give you a call. They might give you a call. They were out of everybody. But Baker Mayfield still puts on his superman cape and goes out and plays like Baker Mayfield. That run that he had was absurd. That's a top 10. I mean, that's a top play of the week, any week of the season. It was just.

[Bobby Bones]

He ran like third and 14, right? Something like that. To, to get that first down, right?

[Matt Castle]

He broke, broke through two sacks, ran through another person's face, juke somebody out and then ran through somebody to get the first down and just hopped up and was like, so I'll tell you, the way he's playing, I think their defense is obviously a really good defense under bulls. And so they're proving good teams prove that they can win regardless of the circumstance of personnel. And if they can find ways when they're unhealthy to win and not have an excuse, that's. That means a lot in this league. And then as they get healthy, as they move forward, I mean, that's a dangerous offense unit.

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[Matt Castle]

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[Matt Castle]

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It's one of those weekends, but I'm ready. I'm ready to bounce back now. Three biggest games coming up this week. The Eagles at the Vikings. Eagles are two and a half point favorites. Eagles did not win. They got beat by the Giants.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, they got beat handily by the Giants.

[Bobby Bones]

What are your thoughts on that game?

[Matt Castle]

You know, when you watch the game, I thought at some point the Eagles were going to start making their way, but then the Giants just kept making plays and plays and plays and it didn't look like the Eagles. Right. And I. That's the part about the Eagles that's a little bit frustrating to watch right now is what is their identity? Because Saquon Barkley hasn't got going yet. The pass game has been mediocre to say the say the least. A.J. brown is still not really heavily involved. It doesn't look like the same identity that they had last year where they could just pound people and run through people's face and then when they wanted to throw, they can throw at will. I think they still have the ability to do so, but it's still young this season where they haven't figured out who they are. And so when I look at that right there, I'm going to go Vikings at home. I'm going to go with the Vikings.

[Bobby Bones]

Who started a quarterback for the Vikings?

[Matt Castle]

It doesn't matter. They got Kevin o' Connell calling plays, dog.

[Kevin]

That's right.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, fair enough. But I guess Sirianni and o' Connell have been guests on our show, haven't they?

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, they sure have. Sorry.

[Bobby Bones]

Sorry, Nick, but remember Sirianni last year? Fire him.

[Matt Castle]

Boo.

[Bobby Bones]

Boo.

[Matt Castle]

Like two, two years ago.

[Bobby Bones]

That was last year too. They didn't win the Super. They won the Super Bowl.

[Kevin]

Yeah. Last year.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

They were like two and two.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, really? Early in the season.

[Bobby Bones]

He's mouthing with fans. It's awesome. Yeah. Who's starting a quarterback for the Vikings?

[Kevin]

It still doesn't say for sure.

[Matt Castle]

I mean, what did J.J. mcCarthy do to himself?

[Bobby Bones]

I think he's been out for. Rebuild the whole bionic leg, from what I heard.

[Matt Castle]

Three, four weeks.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

I think they're just buying time here. He did have a baby that you don't get paternity leave.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Matt Castle]

I'm sorry.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm going with Eagles. I think the Eagles are bouncing back. Eagles minus two and a half.

[Kevin]

McCarthy did practice for the first time.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. But they're not saying anything about.

[Kevin]

They're not saying if he's going to play or not.

[Bobby Bones]

All right, I'm going Eagles minus two and a half. You're going Vikings.

[Matt Castle]

I'm going to go Vikings at home.

[Bobby Bones]

This second game, this one I'm so interested in, it's the Colts at the Chargers. Ooh, that's a good game. That may be the game of the week. There's like the Bucks and Lions, too, which I'm gonna talk about in a second, but everybody's heard on the Lions, so I think Bucks or. Excuse me, Colts and Chargers, Man, I kind of love that game.

[Matt Castle]

I do, too. I do, too. Because the Chargers, you know, after the hot start, they've really come back down to earth a little bit, and they had to literally scramble to get that thing back together against the Miami Dolphins, and it was late game heroics by.

[Bobby Bones]

Justin Herbert, that Herbert pass, that late game heroic where they had him in.

[Matt Castle]

A sack and to Ladd McConkey.

[Bobby Bones]

Awesome. What a play.

[Matt Castle]

Incredible play. And he takes a lot of hits, dude. I mean, it was crazy. I saw some kind of stat that he's been hit more than any quarterback up to this point in his career, just taking on hits. And he's a big target, but he's elusive enough at his size. He's a special player. So they haven't been playing as well, but then you've got the Colts, man, they can just continue to get it done. Somehow, some way, Danny Dimes is playing off the charts. It's going to be a really good game.

[Bobby Bones]

Jonathan Taylor's awesome, dude.

[Matt Castle]

He's awesome.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, he's. I remember he's always been really good and they end the contract and should they resign him? But two years ago when he like held out and it's like he's a running back, he's getting on up There in age. Soon enough he'll be up there in it. Man, he's awesome. He's worth every freaking dollar.

[Matt Castle]

He's a stud. He's an absolute stud. And the charges right. O' Marion. Hampton's out.

[Bobby Bones]

He's out.

[Matt Castle]

And then also, was it the wide receiver, Quinton Quintro?

[Bobby Bones]

He didn't play at all. Johnson.

[Matt Castle]

Right. He didn't play either. So that's another factor if it. Because injuries do matter in this league, believe it or not, because you can't replace certain guys. And o' Mary Hampton is one of the bright running back, bright young running backs in this league. And when you don't have him back there and they already lost Najee Harris for the season, I mean, they're thin at running back and you know, Harbaugh and the Chargers in general, their DNA is to run the ball to set up the pass. But if you can't run the ball effectively and stay ahead on down distance and have to rely on throwing, well, it becomes a little bit more difficult.

[Bobby Bones]

Who you picking?

[Matt Castle]

I'm going to go with the Colts. Let's do it. Let's go, Colts.

[Bobby Bones]

Let's go.

[Matt Castle]

Danny Dimes.

[Bobby Bones]

I want the Colts to win. I think the Chargers win this one. Remember Natron Means?

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

That's what they need to call back. Get him in there. Starter, jacket time. You wouldn't get it.

[Matt Castle]

Kevin. Yeah, you.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, you wouldn't get it. Start a starter, pullover, jacket time.

[Kevin]

Sorry, guys.

[Matt Castle]

For sure.

[Bobby Bones]

Bucks and Lions on Monday night. Lions are a 4 1/2 point favorite. The Lions are missing like five guys on defense always. The. The Lions were. They were. They were getting two and a half points versus the Chiefs and everybody was like, that's crazy. How are the Lions the underdog? Well, we see why, because they didn't have anybody on defense. But lions are a 4 1/2 point.

[Matt Castle]

Favorite to the Bucks.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, I'm going to take the Lions. Really, I am. I mean, because if you go back and watch the game and like diagnose it for Monday night, at the end of the day, there are plays to be had. Aman St. Brown dropped that fourth down, that price. Yeah. There was another one that would have led to points. Like there was multiple scenarios in. There was a touchdown pass. I got called back because of a penalty. There's multiple scenarios where that outlook of that game could have changed dramatically. If one of those plays are made and they had about three different ones. I don't think that that is what the Lions have, is really who they are as a team. I think they're going to bounce back.

[Bobby Bones]

All I hear is the Baker hater. I don't know about you guys. He goes on this. I'm the biggest ever monologue about Baker. Baker, I'm taking the Lions.

[Matt Castle]

I think it's going to catch up to him at some point. How about that?

[Bobby Bones]

I think so, too.

[Kevin]

They're missing a lot of guys.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. Detroit Bucks offense, the Buck.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, they both. You know what they're both missing? Yeah, you're right. It's a lot of guys gone on offense and a lot of guys gone on defense.

[Kevin]

For the Lions, like the backups versus the backups and then the Baker, it's.

[Bobby Bones]

The ones versus the ones and the twos versus the twos.

[Matt Castle]

Bet on Baker. But I'm going with the Lions because both.

[Bobby Bones]

Because the offense of the Bucks are the basically the twos. Yeah, the defensive lines are basically the twos.

[Matt Castle]

It's kind of like your. When we were talking about this earlier. You got to pick one week where your starters can't play, and this is that week.

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[Matt Castle]

This is it.

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[Bobby Bones]

Okay, that is it for this episode. We're going to do what we did last week. And so if you listen to this one first, in the next episode, we are going to have one of Matt's friends, Super bowl champion, one of the best kickers of that generation. Right, Ryan? Suck up.

[Matt Castle]

Hell yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

I went. I don't think that's crazy to say.

[Matt Castle]

I don't think it's crazy to say.

[Bobby Bones]

I have no bias at all about it.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. If you win a Super bowl and you play 14 years as a place kicker, you're. You're doing something right.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you call it whenever. This is a debate I've had amongst my friends, when you are on the field, I don't want to. I just don't want to feed you the words. But when you're on a field and you can kick a field goal from wherever you are, what is that called? You are in field goal range. Thank you. Because these goobers call it field goal position.

[Matt Castle]

And I'm like, who does Dumb and Dumber? Brandon. No, they're in field goal position.

[Bobby Bones]

Kevin said. He goes, you're in field goal position. And I'm like, I feel like you're like a European that's learning football.

[Matt Castle]

Are you talking about real football? Soccer over in Europe? So.

[Kevin]

After he said something, I was like, yeah, I guess that doesn't sound right. I don't know why I said it like that.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. So, Ryan, suck up. It's a great interview. We talk about him playing with Tom Brady. We talk about him playing in high school and never really played his soccer player. It's a great interview. So we'll end this episode here now. I'm Bobby Bones. It's Matt Caswell. That's kickoff Kevin, our Mr. Field Goal position. And that's Brandon Ray. And we've had lots of. All right, bye, everybody. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.