Lots to Say: Crosby back to Raiders and Free Agency!

Summary

The Bobby Bones Show – "Lots to Say: Crosby Back to Raiders and Free Agency!"

Date: March 12, 2026
Hosts: Bobby Bones & Matt Cassel
Co-Hosts/Guests: Brandon Ray, Karissa Thompson, Kickoff Kevin
Podcast by: Premiere Networks and iHeart

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Episode Overview

This engaging episode dives deep into the NFL’s wild free agency period, spotlighting the dramatic Max Crosby-Ravens-Raiders trade debacle, massive new contracts around the league, and the hosts’ takes on conspiracy theories, awkward locker room returns, and the emotional side of sports. With plenty of personal stories and a humorous, conversational tone, Bobby, Matt, and friends dissect headlines, share inside experiences, and riff on quarterback moves, salary cap chaos, and more.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bobby’s Health & Humor (02:38–06:14)

• Bobby explains the podcast’s late recording due to a “migraine” (which he vehemently denies is a migraine, insisting, “I’m just not a migraine guy” [05:02]).
• The conversation veers into coping mechanisms and positivity:
  “When something sucks... I imagine how bad it really could be if it were a lot worse. Perspective a bit.” — Bobby Bones [06:13]
• Light banter about allergies, thumb-sucking as comfort, and Matt’s winter beard.

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2. Max Crosby’s Blockbuster Trade Fallout & Physical Drama (08:00–19:19)

• Main Story: Max Crosby (star pass rusher) seemingly traded to the Ravens, deal unraveling after he fails his physical, and Crosby awkwardly returning to the Raiders.
• Bobby likens Crosby’s return to a childhood school-switch story:
  “I would like to say that's what our boy Max is doing right now. Having to go back to Oakland.” — Bobby Bones [08:00]
• Matt recounts his own ordeal when a trade to Buffalo nearly collapsed due to a failed physical, sharing the emotional limbo and pressure athletes experience.
• Speculation and conspiracy: Did Baltimore pull back on Crosby once they knew they could sign Trey Hendrickson instead?
• Matt:
  “If you get your two first rounders back and still able to sign a quality edge player... that is a win for your organization.” [16:37]
• Bobby wonders if teams manipulated Crosby’s physical for strategy, with Matt noting this deal is unprecedented in its scale and drama for a failed physical.

Memorable Quotes:

• “Guess what? You're going back to Lake Hamilton, Max.” — Bobby Bones [08:23]
• “It's crazy. I know everybody's talked about it, but it's crazy.” — Bobby Bones [19:55]
• “I was in purgatory in a hotel, dude. My heart sunk to my stomach... I don't have a job right now.” — Matt Cassel [20:02]

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3. Conspiracy Theories & Notable Trade Collapses (15:07–22:16)

• Bobby qualifies: “There are two things I'm not: Mr. Migraine and Mr. Conspiracy Theory” [15:07], yet gleefully dives into conspiracies about timing and motivation behind the Crosby trade reversal.
• Other famous collapsed trades mentioned:
  • Chris Paul to the Lakers (2011), Tyson Chandler to the Thunder, John Elway’s near-move to the Raiders, Mookie Betts to the Dodgers (MLB).
  • “It’s always the physical.” — Matt Cassel [22:00]

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4. Free Agency Frenzy: Massive Contracts & Team Strategies (22:20–29:51; 33:05–36:12)

• Huge new contracts:
  • Trent McDuffie (4yr/$124M), Laremy Tunsil ($30M/year), Jalen Phillips (4yr/$120M), etc.
  • Eight players become highest-paid at their respective positions this cycle.
• Chiefs overhaul entire secondary, but Bobby expresses unwavering faith in Mahomes-led Kansas City:
  “I always believe in the Chiefs because I think Patrick Mahomes... is the best quarterback in the NFL.” — Bobby Bones [26:22]
• Tua Tagovailoa’s trade to Atlanta, Miami stuck with the bulk of his salary; Atlanta gets a “bridge” QB with starting experience [27:00].
• Unique note: Both Falcons’ QBs (Tua and Penix) are left-handed—rare dynamic discussed with fun personal anecdotes.

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5. Other Free Agency Moves & Team Analysis

• Saints sign Travis Etienne (possibly moving on from Kamara) [33:05]
• Mike Evans joins the 49ers for a veteran playoff push [33:26]
• Titans’ aggressive spending and roster overhaul; Bobby admits he’s been a Titans “hater” but is impressed by their new commitment to winning [34:01, 52:00]
• Defensive signings and backup QB shuffles, e.g., Trubisky to Titans, Matt/Matthew Stafford vs. Matt/Mitchell naming quirks [34:42–35:15]

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6. Thanksgiving Eve Football, High School Fridays, and Sports Culture (36:35–38:26)

• NFL reportedly considering adding a Thanksgiving Eve game; both hosts are in favor [36:35]
• Discussion about respecting Friday nights for high school football—a rare zone of integrity preserved by NFL and NCAA [37:36]
• Matt shares about watching his own kids in sports, the value of failure, and passing on work ethic and perspective [38:26–41:05]

Notable Quote:
“The hardest thing for any kid to understand is failure...you’re going to have an opportunity to learn from that failure.” — Matt Cassel [39:53]

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7. Insider Rumors: Did Tom Brady Block Crosby’s Move to Patriots? (42:08–47:48)

• Explores ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler report suggesting Tom Brady (now a Raiders minority owner) blocked a trade of Crosby to New England, not wanting him to land with former teammate Mike Vrabel.
• Matt expresses skepticism: “At the end of the day, they’re going to go to the highest bidder.” [43:13]
• Playful conspiracy role-play: Bobby speculates any legend would want a buffer before their old team gets good again.
• “Is Brady becoming our enemy?” — Bobby Bones [44:40] (teasing)
• Everyone agrees it would be “awkward” for Crosby to walk back into Raiders’ facility after all this.

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8. Free Agency Spending Leaders & “Legal Tampering” Comments (52:00–54:55)

• Most free agency spending so far:
  • Titans: $288M (!)
  • Raiders: $281M
  • Commanders, Panthers, Saints close behind. “Shout out, Titans, my new favorite team.” — Bobby Bones [52:52]
• Least spending: Vikings ($12M), Eagles, Lions, Falcons, Jaguars.
• Matt and Bobby poke fun at the term “legal tampering”, suggest “negotiation phase” is more apt.

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9. Where Should Max Crosby Go Next? (54:55–56:24)

• Bobby advocates for Dallas:
  “My favorite place for Max Crosby to go would be the Dallas Cowboys. … He’d be a perfect Dallas Cowboy.” [55:15]
• Matt reflects on his own Cowboys tenure:
  “When you put that star on your helmet and you go out and the fans… love their Dallas Cowboys… it's pretty special.” [56:11]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

– On Migraines and Perspective –

• “I'm not a migraine guy. Just getting migraine symptoms.” — Bobby Bones [05:04]
• “That’s what I do… imagine how bad it really could be if it were a lot worse.” — Bobby Bones [06:13]

– On Awkward Returns –

• “Guess what? You're going back to Lake Hamilton, Max.” — Bobby Bones [08:23]

– Crosby Trade Skepticism –

• “It happened so quick. It almost happened too quick, guys.” — Bobby Bones [15:59]
• “If you get your two first rounders back and still able to sign a quality edge player… that is a win for your organization.” — Matt Cassel [16:37]

– On Conspiracies and Athlete Insecurity –

• “Is Brady becoming our enemy?” — Bobby Bones [44:40]
• “Because I am so wildly insecure… that's what I would do if I were in the same position as Tom Brady.” — Bobby Bones [46:20]
• “The only way that theory would make sense to me is if the Patriots would have won this year.” — Matt Cassel [47:01]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Segment | Discussion Topic | Timestamp (Approx.) | |---------|--------------------|--------------------| | Opening & Bobby’s health | Migraine misadventures | 02:38–06:14 | | Crosby Trade Fallout | School story analogy; Crosby trade collapse | 08:00–19:19 | | Failed Trades & Conspiracies | Chris Paul, Elway, Betts, physical drama | 20:42–22:16 | | Free agency contracts | McDuffie, Tunsil, Chiefs, and more | 22:20–29:51, 33:05–36:12 | | Thanksgiving Eve NFL | Football culture, high school Fridays | 36:35–38:26 | | Parenting & Sports | Matt’s kids, failure lessons | 38:26–41:05 | | Was Brady behind the Crosby block? | Insider rumors discussion | 42:08–47:48 | | Free agency spending | Titans’ spending spree; legal tampering | 52:00–54:55 | | Crosby’s next team | Dallas Cowboys pitch | 54:55–56:24 |

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Tone, Style, and Atmosphere

• Warm, humorous banter—hosts and guests poke fun at themselves and each other.
• Mix of personal anecdotes (childhood, injuries, parenting) and professional analysis.
• Conspiracy theories and “what ifs” add a playful, speculative edge.
• Deep football insight balanced with accessibility for casual fans.

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Final Thoughts

This episode captures the chaos, surprises, and raw personal perspectives behind NFL free agency’s biggest stories. From conspiratorial trade talk to heartfelt parenting lessons, Bobby, Matt, and crew deliver both insider knowledge and plenty of laughs—essential listening for football fans and sports culture enthusiasts alike.

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Transcript

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[Brandon Ray]

We got lots to say

[Bobby Bones]

we got lots to say

[Matt Castle]

we're glad you're here

[Bobby Bones]

and we hope you stay Cause we got lots to say yeah, we got lots to say. Now here's Bobby and that welcome to another week. By the way, it's a Little late going up today. I apologize. We usually record the evening before. I was a little sick. Were you sick?

[Matt Castle]

I know I did get that text message and I was concerned about you.

[Bobby Bones]

It was a last minute sick too. The worst kind. Where I, like, I was trying to gut it out.

[Matt Castle]

Food poisoning type.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't think so. So I'm a guy. I refuse to think that. I get migraines. I refuse to think it.

[Matt Castle]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

For a long time I refused to admit that I was lactose intolerant. I was just like, nope, I'm just not being strong enough. Like, I'm just not fighting the pain in that.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, I got. I gotta. I gotta feel it in order for me to really commit to it.

[Bobby Bones]

And so finally, after many allergy tests, they were like, you can't have dairy, so I can't have dairy. And. And I think at times if my nutrition's not right, I get these crippling headaches and only have one good eye anyway.

[Brandon Ray]

And.

[Bobby Bones]

And so my good eye, I could not see out of.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, you lost your peripheral. And all that stuff where it was peripheral, frontward peripheral.

[Brandon Ray]

It was just.

[Bobby Bones]

It was screaming. So I went into my office and I laid down on the couch and just like stared.

[Matt Castle]

Why?

[Bobby Bones]

I stared. Just looked into the pillow and it was like 30 minutes before showtime. And the last thing I want to do is disappoint Matt Castle.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, are you kidding me? It's totally fine with me.

[Bobby Bones]

Pro world core Matt Castle's waiting to do a show. And here I am laying on a couch in my office going, I can't see straight. And so, yeah, I had to cancel. So it's going up a little later today. So my apologies to you.

[Matt Castle]

Hey, don't apologize to me, buddy. I'm just hoping you're feeling better. So how long did it take for this migraine to go away?

[Bobby Bones]

Four hours.

[Matt Castle]

Four hours. What do you take for it?

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I take medicine. I don't call. It's not a migraine.

[Matt Castle]

That's definitely considered a migraine. If you look up migraine, those are

[Bobby Bones]

the symptoms that I do not have migraines. I was having a bad day, so

[Matt Castle]

I call it just a bad day.

[Bobby Bones]

A really bad day. I could not focused though, and I kept working through it for the, like the radio show on the podcast. I was working through it and I was like, I'm gonna vomit because it hurts so bad. But I'm not a migraine guy, so I'm gonna eliminate that now.

[Matt Castle]

So you never get migraines or it's an occasional thing or this is just

[Bobby Bones]

out of the blue sometimes. Some would say occasionally, I get a headache so bad, based on the circumstances around me, that I can't really function.

[Matt Castle]

That's called a migraine.

[Bobby Bones]

No, I'm not a migraine guy. Just for the record.

[Matt Castle]

Not a migraine guy. Just getting migraine symptoms.

[Bobby Bones]

Man, that was crazy. Finally got home and laid in the bed. And you know what? I do, and I'm going to be completely serious with you.

[Matt Castle]

You suck your thumb? Do you suck your thumb?

[Bobby Bones]

That's interesting.

[Matt Castle]

It's just a soothing mechanism. I mean, my kids do it.

[Bobby Bones]

That might work.

[Matt Castle]

Seriously, I mean, think about that.

[Bobby Bones]

I make a note for next time. Maybe I should suck my thumb.

[Matt Castle]

Suck my thumb. Get a little teddy bear.

[Bobby Bones]

I have to. When I'm in pain, this is kind of serious. But when I'm in pain, like I was in.

[Matt Castle]

So I can't joke about it.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, you can, but all I have to. What I do is, like, I know people, and I have friends who have, like, been through, like, chemo and been, like, real sick. And I go, at least I'm not that. And I just focus on what at least I'm not. It kind of gets me through it.

[Matt Castle]

That's good. That's positive. Positive thinking. Like, it could be worse is what you're saying.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

And that's all you do.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, yeah. I have to. I was hurting so bad. I was like. I was thinking to my friends that it, like, gets so sick from being in chemo. And it's like, at least I'm not freaking. I'm not going through chemo. And then four hours later, I was better.

[Matt Castle]

It is.

[Bobby Bones]

I just had. I just had a headache and big shout out to everybody that goes through chemo, because that sucks.

[Matt Castle]

That really sucks.

[Bobby Bones]

But that's what I have to do sometimes when something sucks is imagine how bad it really could be if it were a lot worse. Perspective a bit. Yeah. You ever read the Art of Happiness by the Dalai Lama?

[Matt Castle]

No.

[Bobby Bones]

It's a bit of what that is. Yeah. By the way your beard looks. It's telling you it's good.

[Matt Castle]

Really? It's coming in right now.

[Bobby Bones]

It is. You went wintertime, full beard.

[Matt Castle]

Full beard.

[Bobby Bones]

And it was really good that you shaved it off because you got a little scared.

[Matt Castle]

Got a little scared. Wanted to present myself in such a way.

[Bobby Bones]

No, I loved it the first time. I think it looks great right now.

[Matt Castle]

Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that.

[Bobby Bones]

So we got a lot of football to talk about.

[Matt Castle]

Yes, we do.

[Bobby Bones]

I'd like to lead with a story, if you don't mind.

[Matt Castle]

Please give me a story, A good story.

[Bobby Bones]

In the sixth grade, I was going to a school called Lake Hamilton. And I was moving away from Lake Hamilton. And I moved around a bunch as a kid to different schools. We moved around a lot. Didn't have a lot of money, so we moved to wherever we could afford to live. And fourth through sixth grade, I went to a school called Lake Hamilton in Hot Springs, Arkansas. And it was a fine school. I'd probably just made some. My friend group there and I was told by my grandma, we have to move from Lake Hamilton. We're gonna move to Mountain Pine, which is where I ended up staying and graduating. And as a kid, I never liked being the new kid in school, but I kind of got used to it. I think it has helped me later in life because I can adjust.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, you can adapt very quickly. Any environment, I can adapt.

[Bobby Bones]

And so we had kind of a party for me the last day of school that I was there. It was in the middle of the school year, and I told everybody, I'm leaving on this day. It's my last day. And the teacher was so nice. And the teacher said, okay, Bobby's last day party. We had like cupcakes. And it was the nicest thing. I got on the bus and I went home and I was like, man, it was really cool. I was gonna go to Mountain Pine that next Monday. My grandma came back and said, hey, we can't move now for three weeks. And I was like, I gotta go back to Lake Hamilton after we just had that party.

[Matt Castle]

We just had a party. Like, we just had a party.

[Bobby Bones]

I can't go back now. I would like to say that's what our boy Max is doing right now. Having to go back to Oakland.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, 100%.

[Bobby Bones]

Are you.

[Matt Castle]

Are you kidding me? Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, sorry. Yeah, he's the Raider. Okay. That's how old I am. Yes. Max Car is me in sixth grade at Lake Hamilton. He made the video, like the 13 minute video.

[Matt Castle]

Can't wait to win a championship. Thank the Raiders fans. The whole deal.

[Bobby Bones]

Guess what? You're going back to Lake Hamilton, Max.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. And they said he was back in the building doing his rehab the next day.

[Bobby Bones]

I was like, oh, how weird is that whole story? Story?

[Matt Castle]

It's crazy. It really is a crazy story. The only thing I can relate to is when I got traded from Minnesota to Buffalo. Now, it wasn't for two first round draft picks and a massive contract and all that, but I went in and it was the season before is when I broke my foot. I snapped three bones in my foot, had a partial Liz Frank. And so I was coming off that injury and you have to go do the physical. So I go in, I do the physical. We're meeting with a bunch of the free agents that they brought in that night. We're supposed to go to a dinner and I get a call after my physical saying, they didn't pass you on your physical. They're saying they're going to blow up the deal. And at that point, Sean Hill was already signed to Minnesota to be Teddy Bridgewater's backup because they were trying to work out a deal. But my agent was pushing for me to go to Buffalo because it would be an opportunity to start all these things. So I went there. But talk about an empty feeling. I would go, what the hell do you mean they didn't pass me? They know that my foot is still recovering. Did they talk to Dr. Anderson who did my surgery in North Carolina? So those things do go on. But Pula, the owner, and Rex Ryan, who was the head coach at the time, they went against the physician who said, they're not well, he didn't pass me, but they went against his information that they gave him and said, we're still going to sign you and still. So put the trade through. But I was sitting there in limbo in the hotel for two hours with no job.

[Bobby Bones]

Somebody else took your old job.

[Matt Castle]

Somebody took my old job. And then you didn't have, I can't go back there. I didn't have this job. And somehow the powers that be worked it out that he was literally saying, hey, let's get back on a plane. We'll talk about it when you get back. And go. I was like, no, what the hell are you talking about? This deal was done and we're moving forward until I failed my physical. So I know there's a lot that goes into it and there's a lot of probably conspiracy theories right now, especially the fact that they went out and signed Hendrickson, Trey Hendrickson, right after that. And they got their two first rounders back, but who knows what they found during that, that physical.

[Bobby Bones]

So I have two questions about your situation that's super interesting. Number one, and this does relate a bit to Max Crosby, because he goes in, obviously he had the surgery. They knew what they knew.

[Matt Castle]

They knew he wasn't going to be healed right now.

[Bobby Bones]

Right. And I don't know what they. And why they didn't pass him. Right. That there's Some HIPAA rules we don't know specifically, that hasn't been leaked.

[Matt Castle]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

But with yours, they knew your surgery, do they not? I don't know, like, Mark, that as a. This part doesn't have to pass. Or does it have to pass at like a stage of a certain. Like, what do they tell you? Because it doesn't make sense to not pass you because of a surgery they knew that you had.

[Matt Castle]

Right. Well, with the surgery, I guess the bones were still calcifying, but haven't completely

[Bobby Bones]

calcified to the point they should have.

[Matt Castle]

At that point, I have no idea. And that was the question that I had. I said, well, talk to my foot doctor, the specialist, Dr. Anderson, who's world renowned for these foot surgeries. And he's like, you're progressing exactly where you should. Because I've had multiple checkups with, with him up to this point. This is the first time that this physician had looked at their orthopedic, had looked at me and seen all my X rays. They took the X rays. He even went to the extent of, okay, can you jump on one foot? And I was like, I can jump on one foot now. I wasn't completely on the bad foot because they're trying to.

[Bobby Bones]

You're not supposed to be clearly healed. That's why I'm like, no one. They never said that. Right?

[Matt Castle]

I know they never said it. I wasn't supposed to be there at that. Like, I was not supposed to be completely healed when I did that physical. So that was the thing that you understood with Max as well, that he's two months out of surgery. It's going to take four to six months to completely heal. Did they find something degenerative in his knee? That also was a question mark of why they didn't pass him? I have no idea. But it is wild because I don't think in the history of all these trades, this type of mega deal that was done, blockbuster trade, two first rounders, we've seen anything like it. There's been other players in the history of the league, even recent, that have not passed their physical and been turned down, but not like this.

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[Bobby Bones]

So before I go over to trades that fell through, I do want to go to something you said, because there are conspiracy theories now and I'm not Mr. Conspiracy Theory. There's two things I'm not Mr. Migraine and Mr. Conspiracy Theory. Never a migraine, never a migraine. Just have a headache due to circumstances. Yes, but you're right. The Trey Hendricks Hendrickson thing. The timing.

[Matt Castle]

The timing was perfect because Trey was still there.

[Bobby Bones]

Perfect. Fishy. I was gonna say fishy. You said perfect.

[Matt Castle]

Well, it's perfect for Baltimore because if you think about it, maybe they had a little bit of remorse. And I'm just saying two first Rounders is a lot of draft capital to give up. And if you get a guy that's been as productive as Trey Hendrickson, you pay. Pay him and get your two first rounders back. I'm not, I'm not saying this is what happened, man, but it. All the pieces there, they became a winner right away.

[Bobby Bones]

It happened so quick. It happened. It almost happened too quick, guys. And like they signed in four years, $112 million. The reason that he probably isn't as desirable as Max, because he's a little older.

[Matt Castle]

A little older. And Max Crosby is a difference maker. I mean, he is a game wrecker and so is Trey Hendrickson in many regards, but he's not as explosive as Max is.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, so let's just play the game. Do we think that some fishy was going on at all? You what do you think you can say no, I believe you believe in all goodness.

[Matt Castle]

I do. I believe that there was maybe something fishy.

[Bobby Bones]

But you do like fishy. Okay.

[Matt Castle]

I mean, I mean, if you get your two first rounders back and still able to sign a quality edge player that can come in and be very productive for your team, that is a win for your organization because you get those two first rounders back, including this year's draft pick at 16.

[Bobby Bones]

If I can insert a scenario that is probably fiction, but created by my mind, it is this. They make the trade, they're pretty pumped about it because they do have a freaking star. A star pass rusher other than Miles Garrett, that's the guy you want 100%. However, in the process they learn that they can get Trey Hendrickson. And so now it's. Man, we're pretty pumped about this, but if we can get our two first rounders back and we have the money to actually get Trey Hendrickson, so we have him plus two first rounders. Why don't we find something wrong in the physical?

[Matt Castle]

Well, they already knew that he wasn't going to be completely healthy. And all they have to say is, hey, that's great, we've got question marks.

[Bobby Bones]

But I feel like they had to find something more or at least express something more even internally than not legs jacked up because everybody that was already known.

[Matt Castle]

Right. Well, everybody says you got to pass your physical and it's up to the team's discretion.

[Bobby Bones]

It just. So it worked out for the. If you're a Ravens fan, I'm. I'm happy right now. I know you lost your. Your baller player, but you got a pretty close to the same. Not exactly, but good enough. Top five.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Top five. We'd say top five.

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[Bobby Bones]

And you got your two first round picks. If you're a Ravens fan, that's awesome. You know what? If you're a Raiders fan.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, that's. That's the other side of this, of the coin. Right. That we haven't talked about yet. Because they went on a. I mean, spending frenzy.

[Bobby Bones]

They, by the way, the number one center now, Tyler Lindenbaum, highest paid center

[Matt Castle]

in the history of the league.

[Bobby Bones]

The crazy thing is they do still have the money to do this because they did have so much. I think they were. They just spent a nickel on last year's roster, so they have all this money.

[Matt Castle]

They said that they have committed $271 million to the contracts that they signed. So, I mean, Quay Walker, Nakobe Dean, Jalen Naylor, Tyler Lindenbaum. And there's. I know that they've got a defensive Eric Stokes.

[Bobby Bones]

They can still afford to have Crosby, though. So they're going to. They're going to make this work. If they don't retrade them. They have enough room to magically make this work if they're going to do it through. But I don't think they're going to. I think they're going to trade them. But the problem is, is that all the other teams that were waiting for him have done their thing to make so.

[Matt Castle]

Well, the other part about that is now everybody in the league, it's such a public statement that he failed his physical, that something must have gone on that these other teams aren't. Nobody's going to give them two first rounders for Max Crosby. I can't believe that they would give them two first rounders and they'd get the same trade value that they had when they traded with Baltimore.

[Bobby Bones]

Even if they know, even if we're around the league, I'll just be conspiracy mind here. Even if we're around the league is okay. The Ravens are doing something kind of shady and they wanted to get out of it, and it's exactly what they thought it was. Still, they're not going to get too frustrated.

[Matt Castle]

GM's still going to say, dude, there's question marks, obviously. So I'll give you one first one.

[Bobby Bones]

It's crazy and I know everybody's talked about it, but it's crazy. And that's interesting about you. And you were. You were in purgatory for a minute.

[Matt Castle]

I was in purgatory in a hotel, dude. My. My heart sunk to my stomach and I was like, dude, Free agency's going. I just got. I don't have a job right now. This was the opportunity for me to potentially go start. They already resigned at my other place, which I was very happy at in Minnesota. A new backup, Sean Hill, because Bridgewater played the rest of that season. Played well. We. I knew I was going to be that guy that would be the veteran backup, and they wanted to bring me back, but then they traded me. And then all of a sudden that falls through and I'm just like, oh, my God, what? How do I explain this to my wife or my. Like, where do I go from here? I guess, yeah, it's offensive coordinator at Belmont High School. Hey, I'm still working on that job, dude. They said I'm not qualified enough.

[Bobby Bones]

Memorable sports trades that fell through even though they were in place. The one that comes to my mind most is Chris Paul to the Lakers trade back in 2011. That was a weird one. The Hornets had a deal in place to send him to the Lakers, but the NBA, which was operating the Hornets at the time, was like, we're gonna block that. That was a. That. That's conspiracy.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. So that one. Tyson Chandler to the Thunder. The Thunder agreed to get Chandler from New Orleans, but the Thunder voided the trade after the physical. Some people say he was physically okay. Another one is John Elway. Nearly the Raiders in 83. This one's more legendary than official. But the story says the Raiders believe they had a deal lined up with the Bears that would have put them in position for Elway, but the trade fell through before it could happen.

[Matt Castle]

That would have been interesting away at the Raiders.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. The story says the Raiders believe that it'll line up with the Bears.

[Matt Castle]

The Bears?

[Bobby Bones]

How'd the Bears get involved?

[Matt Castle]

There's a three team trade.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, man. What timeline am I in right now?

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, I was like, didn't you watch the documentary?

[Bobby Bones]

I did. I know. That's why I was, like confused by it. And then the Original Mookie Betts, 2020. This is baseball. So that one briefly fell apart when Boston had concerns over Greater All's physical. And so it's always a physical.

[Matt Castle]

It's always a physical.

[Bobby Bones]

It was later.

[Matt Castle]

It was the opt out.

[Bobby Bones]

It was later reworked. They called it the Castle rule. They were like, no, it's okay. No, so it's all. It's all good. So, yeah, we probably both were going to have that story. So if I hijacked that from you. Which one?

[Matt Castle]

Juice?

[Bobby Bones]

The Max. That story.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, Crosby.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, no, we definitely were Going to have that story. It's the biggest story out there right now.

[Bobby Bones]

You're up.

[Matt Castle]

All right. I just saw. I mean it is crazy that the league is making this much money, right? But the salary cap went up 22 million. But you think about these salaries that are being signed. They said eight players have become the highest paid player at their position. At least four of them. And then there's four others that are averaging the most ever as a free agent. I mean you've got Trent McDuffie four years, 124 million. Larmy tunzels going to be averaging 30 a year. He's a two year 60 million. How about the edge? Jalen Phillips, who's going to the Panthers four years, 120 million. I don't know. That one was crazy to me. I know that the Panthers needed a rush in, but I think that they overpaid to the the most.

[Bobby Bones]

I think with an edge though. An edge and maybe a wide receiver one and obviously a quarterback. I think sometimes you have to overpay because you're either going to overpay or they're going to go somewhere else. The McDuffie trade on the surface seems crazy, but it's just how the Chiefs do business. I think the Chiefs just want picks. I think they're going to rebuild their secondary. But they're loading up Kenneth Walker.

[Brandon Ray]

How about that?

[Matt Castle]

They're loading up Kenneth Walker was a great signing for them. But then you go on the opposite side of the ball. You Talked about Trent McDuffie. They lost Jalen Watson to the Rams as well. And Brian Cook, who's their safety went to the Bengals. They lost their entire secondary. If you go back even two years ago, Jalen Reed left and he was with the San. We talked to him at the Super Bowl. But that is a complete overhaul of a secondary unit that was strong in a big part of why that defense was successful.

[Bobby Bones]

I believe in the Chiefs even next year and I'm going to tell you why. I don't think Travis Kelsey comes back for one more year. If he didn't think one, then Mahomes was going to be able to play the whole year.

[Matt Castle]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

And that he had legitimate intel that they were either going to trade or draft and make sure that secondary would be formidable. I don't think he comes back for. What was the documentary called for Jordan? Last Run, Last Stand. Last Stand. That's Custer. Yeah, Custer was Last Stand, the Last Dance. I don't think Kelsey comes back for Last Dance unless he is told that one Mahomes is going to be fine and that two, they're going to actually put out a competitive defense.

[Matt Castle]

Right. But I also think that as a competitor and especially the type of player he is, that if he wanted to play, it was the desire for him to play that he was going to come back regardless.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't think rebuilding, even a full

[Matt Castle]

rebuild, I mean, after a six and six year or whatever they were this year they're 500. Right. Or below 500.

[Bobby Bones]

To me, they felt, oh, and 17 based on every week when I was

[Matt Castle]

like, the Chiefs are used to losing, but you would say you'd have to second guess where you are as a franchise. But you say, oh, well, we had a lot of close games. But at the end of the day, though, I think it's the competitor in him that thinks he still can go, that he wants to play again, regardless of the circumstance.

[Bobby Bones]

May I present to you though the

[Matt Castle]

idea of that the GM sold him on the thought, are you going to trade away all of our secondary and then rebuild that thing or.

[Bobby Bones]

There were rumors, whispers that Kelsey would go play somewhere else for a year if Mahomes wasn't healthy and he still wanted to play. I just don't think. What do I know? You know way more about this than I do when it comes to this scenario. But being the fierce competitor than I am, you've seen me, her man, playing pickleball.

[Matt Castle]

I saw you fight through him or heard that you fought through him. I heard him yesterday just by sitting on your bed.

[Bobby Bones]

That story was on Sports Center. It was number three last night.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Top players moments. Yeah. I just think if Kelsey wanted to play, you're right. I think the competitor in him, he would have played. I think he wouldn't have wanted to come back though, and play for a team if they would have told him we're just rebuilding. And I don't think they would have given him. Not that $13 million is a lot because it's not. Not for a guy like that. I just don't think they would have invested that money into him. But what do I know? I think it's cool he's coming back for a year. For some reason, I always believe in the Chiefs because I think Patrick Mahomes,

[Matt Castle]

it's hard not to believe in the Chiefs.

[Bobby Bones]

He's the best quarterback in the NFL.

[Matt Castle]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

So, yeah, a lot of money. Hendrickson for 112. What do you think about Tua signing with the Falcons?

[Matt Castle]

I think it works out great for Atlanta because Miami's going to pay that salary still, I mean, he had how much money left on the books?

[Bobby Bones]

The Dolphins have to pay a $99 million cap hit. And so is that over two. Two years?

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, two years, 99 million.

[Bobby Bones]

So they're gonna. Yeah, but it's. It's two. And also Kyler, Kyler, they're gonna have. They're Gonna sign like $1 deals with their teams.

[Matt Castle]

They signed a league minimum, which works out great for Atlanta.

[Bobby Bones]

You know, it's not $1.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, that's exactly right. I mean the TUA going to Atlanta was a great pickup for Atlanta. The number one. He'll be able to push Pinnocks. Penix obviously is in the recovery mode himself from the ACL inj. So they've got a guy that has started plenty of games, has played well at different parts of his career, has had some injury issues, obviously concussion issues. But at the end of the day, they've got a guy that started and have a lot of experience that comes into Atlanta. All the pressure's off of him and he's there to potentially be a bridge guy or at least push Pinnocks if he's not able to come back.

[Bobby Bones]

Am I crazy or are they both left handed?

[Matt Castle]

They're both left handed. And it's rare that you'll see two lefties on one team.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, I like it though. If I'm the offense because I'm. Or if I'm the wide receiver, the ball spins. I'm left handed.

[Matt Castle]

It does, it spins. The revolutions go the different way.

[Bobby Bones]

So I hear, oh, you're lefty. The ball moves funny or weird or you have this movement because you're left handed. But if I'm a wide receiver, I like it that they're both left handed because this is one. That's one rotation.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. And the other crazy part, Think about that.

[Bobby Bones]

Am I nuts for thinking that that's cool?

[Matt Castle]

No, they definitely say that. I mean wide receivers say it all the time. When you have a left handed quarterback versus a right handed quarterback, how it out of your hand and also how the ball spins. It's just a different trajectory obviously. So there is something to that. But the thing that I read about tua did you know that Tua does everything right handed? He even kicks right. Right footed. But the only thing he does left handed is throw football.

[Bobby Bones]

I didn't know that.

[Matt Castle]

His dad, I guess taught him terrible younger dad when he stopped when he was younger to throw the ball left handed. And that's the only thing he does left handed. Is that wild?

[Bobby Bones]

I would Go back in time if I could and just say, dad, let's not do that. As a left handed person myself, un. That's going to be baseball.

[Matt Castle]

Exactly. That's left handed pitchers. Different.

[Bobby Bones]

And only if you pitch because otherwise you can't play the infield anywhere other than first. And they're. They're only putting big hitters at first.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, they just discriminate against.

[Bobby Bones]

It sucks. You can't catch. You can't play middle infield.

[Matt Castle]

No, no. Second.

[Bobby Bones]

They fake it at third, but not really in the ma. So you don't see a lot of

[Matt Castle]

left handed catchers either, right? None.

[Bobby Bones]

You can't because. Because most batters are right handed.

[Matt Castle]

Right handed.

[Bobby Bones]

You're behind them.

[Matt Castle]

Yep.

[Bobby Bones]

You can't play guitar. You get ink on your hand. Like there's so many times people are passing around a guitar and I'm like, well, I'd like to play a funny song or so. Why raise passing around? I can't do it because I'm left handed.

[Matt Castle]

What about your forks? When they're set up, do you have to switch them around like this? Play settings, you know, like I'm not stupid.

[Bobby Bones]

You're acting like I'm a 2 year old.

[Matt Castle]

Or, or do you use your right hand? That's what I'm saying.

[Bobby Bones]

When you eat, he's like, do you at the wrong side of the fork?

[Matt Castle]

D. Do it. What side? Huh?

[Bobby Bones]

The stabby side. Is it torture face or. Yeah, no, that's weird. That's cool. They're both left handed. For the wide receivers, it worked out pretty well. It also looks weird and I'm left handed and I see a left handed quarterback. I'm like, that looks weird.

[Matt Castle]

It's just you're not used to seeing it.

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[Bobby Bones]

Travis ATM with Saints 4 years 52 million yeah at the recording of this, I've seen nothing with Camara. Anybody?

[Matt Castle]

No? Any update?

[Bobby Bones]

Cuz there's there's no way Chimera is staying there if they signed ATN like this. They were already saying Camara Kamara doesn't want to leave New Orleans. By the way he said that? I don't know. I don't think he stays a St. Mike Evans of the 49ers is pretty cool.

[Matt Castle]

That's cool. I mean, they needed a veteran presence there.

[Bobby Bones]

I'd like him to win.

[Matt Castle]

I mean, I would like him to win, too. I mean, he's big, he's physical, he'll do it in the run game. He's unselfish. I mean, he's everything that you want, a quality pro. And that's something that I think that they've been missing a little bit of. How much hopefully he can stay healthy is really. Because he's had the hamstring issues and last year was his first year and God knows how long, what, 12 seasons or something like that. That he didn't have over a thousand yards. But that was due to injury. But that's a huge pickup for the 49ers.

[Bobby Bones]

We have been known. I'll remove you from this. No, no. You don't want.

[Matt Castle]

Okay, I don't want it.

[Bobby Bones]

Never mind. It's you to at times be a Titans hater.

[Matt Castle]

Dude, they did made some great moves.

[Bobby Bones]

They're making moves not only within the administration, the coaching staff. Like, they're doing things with extreme stability, with proven success. Even Dable's an offensive coordinator is freaking awesome.

[Matt Castle]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

But they're also like spending money on folks. And now, I don't know. The one day Robinson is a true number one, but he's not a number three.

[Matt Castle]

He's not three. He's somebody. That's a definite upgrade from what they have right now.

[Bobby Bones]

So, like, okay, like, I'm with it. They. They've got a serviceable backup in Trubisky.

[Matt Castle]

Yep.

[Bobby Bones]

He knows. Drafted before Mahomes.

[Matt Castle]

That's right.

[Bobby Bones]

That's all I think about when I see Tabisky.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. And you're like, dude, you were drafted before Mahomes.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't say that to him. But I never met him.

[Matt Castle]

He's been on like 15 different teams already. That's crazy.

[Bobby Bones]

And is it, you know, Mitch Trubisky, but is it also Mitchell? Then I think of like Matt and Matthew Stafford. What did you call Matt? Do you.

[Matt Castle]

He liked to go by Matthew. He did, yes. It was a Matthew. Not a Mat, Not a Maddie. What's up, doggy?

[Bobby Bones]

No, I've never called him Maddie.

[Matt Castle]

No, he's Matthew.

[Bobby Bones]

I've actually never called him anything.

[Matt Castle]

That's my mom calling me Maddie.

[Bobby Bones]

But they also Matt, so. Matt.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, Matt and Matt.

[Bobby Bones]

Amber call you Matthew?

[Matt Castle]

No, but my son is a Matthew. Matthew Castle Jr. He goes by Matthew. I don't know.

[Bobby Bones]

You guys don't get confused like if they. If your wife's yelling.

[Matt Castle]

No, I'll know if she's yelling at me. Oh, for sure. It's a different tone. Got it going back to the Titans though also defensively, Jermaine Johnson, John Franklin Meyer. Then they went out and got two cornerbacks. I mean they're going to be much better on the defensive side of the ball and you already have Jeffrey Simmons. But they shirt up the defensive line. They got secondary help. I mean they've done some good things with free agency.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm going to ask you a question. I'm not going to tell you what the over under is until after you answer. What you think the Titans can win without looking at the schedule. They're going to be playing a. It's not going to be easy schedule. But they were last place so they're going to be playing a last place schedule. But what do you think the Titans, how many games do they win next year blindly? I'm not giving you the benefit of looking at their schedule. I don't think the full schedule is out, is it? It's just they're going to last play schedule now. I think they're over under six and a half.

[Matt Castle]

Okay. I'm going ninth.

[Bobby Bones]

That's big.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, I mean I think they'll have a pretty good schedule. They play in the south. I mean Jacksonville's definitely upgraded. Their team was much better last year. The Colts. There's probably going to be some question marks there with Daniel Jones health and everything else. Houston's Houston, you've gonna have to deal with that defense. But I do think that they're a team that is upgraded enough to where they can be competitive week in, week out and you have to have the ball go your way sometimes.

[Bobby Bones]

The NFL is now exploring a Thanksgiving eve game. I saw that.

[Matt Castle]

Thoughts? Great.

[Bobby Bones]

Me too. Me too. Me too.

[Matt Castle]

I love it.

[Bobby Bones]

People are like, oh we're running. That ain't me.

[Matt Castle]

I don't.

[Bobby Bones]

You guys are playing football. Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

What are you talking about? It's the day before Thanksgiving. I get some something to watch 100%. Yeah, I'm in.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm. You know what if I enjoy it, I'm gonna be very selfish and I'm gonna want more of it. Just generally speaking.

[Matt Castle]

True.

[Bobby Bones]

So. And also used to work retail and when they would make us work Christmas Eve, Thanksgiving Day, all I got paid overtime, time and a half. That's just part nature of the beast.

[Matt Castle]

It's nature of the beast when they're handing out contracts like this. This is Kind of part of the nature of the beast. The other great part about that for a player, at the end of the day, you play on a Wednesday, you're home for Thanksgiving.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't feel anything is sacred. However, the only thing that I am happy about is that unless you're the Mac and it does a little bit and the NFL really doesn't until after is that nobody really takes the steam out of high school football. I think that's super cool of both college and NFL to not go. We're going to dominate Friday nights because they haven't for that reason. I think there's some integrity there. I'll say it, there's integrity.

[Matt Castle]

I don't. Yeah, they haven't attacked Friday nights. That's true. But Fox also has their, their football games. They put college football games on now they've got their Friday night.

[Bobby Bones]

But it's always like a weird one. It's like Tupelo State versus your Mama Avenue.

[Matt Castle]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

It's not like a real one.

[Matt Castle]

I mean, but for high school, it's not like a nationally televised scene.

[Bobby Bones]

No, but, but you don't have to choice like do your high school games happening in your town. You go to it, you don't have to worry that you're going to miss the freaking Bills and Patriots.

[Matt Castle]

That's true, that's true. But people also could have their phone there watching it.

[Bobby Bones]

From what I know, you're the world's best dad. That does not happen. And we just bleep that just in case anybody else was listening. Yeah, definitely. Definitely.

[Matt Castle]

That's in between games, of course. You know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of wait time in between games.

[Bobby Bones]

Can I ask you a question about your kids athletic endeavors? Is it crazy to see them be really good? It's a lot of fun because I know you and your wife were both premier athletes and now you're watching. It all makes sense. It tracks genetically. Your kids, if they want to pursue sports, they're probably going to have a decent genetic shot at it, right? Is it so cool to watch them dominate?

[Matt Castle]

It is so much fun as a parent, but it's also nerve wracking. It's crazy. I never thought about it much when I played of my, my parents being up in the stands or my siblings watch me or anything like that. But when you go watch your kids, you're. It's like you want them to do well and at the same time you're going through the emotions of a game or a bad moment or a Tough play or even a tough game where they get done and you feel that it's just. It's a different experience altogether. But it is awesome to watch them. And then the other thing is just helping them to understand it takes hard work, it takes discipline. And while you're good now, it doesn't transition always unless you put the work in and just trying to teach them the standards that you have to set for them so that they understand what it's going to take. Because you can't just lean on the fact that you're super skilled right now and you're better than some kids. What you have to do is work at it. And so is there a part of

[Bobby Bones]

you that enjoys if they go through some athletic adversity?

[Matt Castle]

100%. Because that's not just in athletics, it's in life. And understanding that there's the hardest thing for any kid to understand is failure, is being able to deal with failure, is being able to have that tough game and not think that they're terrible. And it's going to consistently be that way. And we deal with it with our kids all the time when they have a tough game of how to approach it. And like dude, sports is. Or daughter sports is a game of failures. You're going to fail and you're going to have an opportunity to learn from that failure. If you can learn from the failure of what you did wrong, maybe it's film study, maybe it was. You were thinking it was a different play, whatever it might be, then you can get better and grow from that. Because I tell them all the time, I learn more from my failures than I ever did any of my successes. Because when you're successful at something you didn't some. Right. Well, you. Your mind just kind of naturally you go through the motions a little bit because you know how to do that and you did it right. Whereas if you fail and it's embarrassing and it's tough to have to cope with, then all of a sudden you have to. To have introspective and look at it and go, okay, how. Why did that happen? How can I do it differently? How can I get better from it?

[Bobby Bones]

Were your kids ever old enough when you were playing to experience it with you?

[Matt Castle]

My oldest daughter. My oldest daughter and my second daughter were probably old enough to experience it, but they still were young.

[Bobby Bones]

They have memories of you playing.

[Matt Castle]

They do. I remember.

[Bobby Bones]

That's pretty cool.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. I mean, my oldest son was old enough to. Where he can come in the locker room after the game, which is such a Special moment when you're a father and you get to bring your kids on the field after a game or bring your son into a locker room and get him to experience a victory where they bring it up and everybody's screaming, yelling and doing all that stuff. So that was pretty cool. My youngest son got to come in, but he was so young that he probably doesn't realize it is. I mean, have the same memories of it. And then my youngest was just a baby when I was at the tail end of my career. So she doesn't remember me playing at all. She just thinks of me as dad. Dad, why are you at home a lot?

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[Bobby Bones]

That's pretty funny.

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Got a whole stack.

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Got to pick a whole stack. Let's go. There was a report that Tom Brady prevented the Patriots from acquiring Max Crosby. One report suggests Tom Brady delivered the page. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. After the Patriots missed out on training for Max Crosby, a report from ESPN's German Jeremy Fowler pointed to the possibility that Brady might have prevented the star edge rusher from ending up in New England. A person involved in the Crosby trade told Fowler that there was no way Tom was sending Max to Mike Vrabel.

[Bobby Bones]

So this is multi layered because it's not just Tom Brady not wanting to send Max Crosby to his old team. It's Tom Brady, the owner of the team that he's on, not wanting to send. And in the end, it comes out as a bit of a wash because we don't know where Crosby is going to go anyway.

[Matt Castle]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you think? Do you. I want to go to both of you because we got a former Patriot player and a Patriot super fan nerd.

[Matt Castle]

Super fan nerd.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you think about this?

[Matt Castle]

I don't believe it. I just. At the end of the day, they're going to go to the highest bidder, right? I don't know if the Patriots, what they even had in store for them in terms of a package deal and how many first round draft picks. If it was a first round, a second round, whatever it might be. But if Baltimore comes, table gives you the 16th pick of this year's first round and another first rounder the following year, I'm guessing you're gonna go to whoever is giving you the most value and it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not Brady. Why wouldn't Brady say yes to the Patriots if they're offering a better deal. Right.

[Bobby Bones]

So then I'll ask you, is there anything between Brady and Brable that we don't know about?

[Matt Castle]

Not that I know of. Yeah. I can't imagine. I mean, we played together for what, seven years in the Patriots. We're always close, still talk. I'm sure he still has a great relations with them.

[Bobby Bones]

So what about when Brady said he couldn't root for the Patriots win the Super Bowl?

[Matt Castle]

Well, he's just, you know, he's playing the media game. He's. He's announcing games. He's an owner, minority owner of another team. I mean, he kind of plays the fence on some things. If he would have just come out and said, I'm going for the Patriots and Patriots through and through.

[Bobby Bones]

Let's go to super fan nerd kickoff. Kevin, super fan nerd. What do you think? Yeah, first I. I didn't believe it, but the more I'm thinking about it,

[Matt Castle]

it just seems like these keep piling on.

[Bobby Bones]

So I'm starting to believe it, that that was my only point with even the not saying he was rooting for the PAT and I think Castle's points. Right. He's playing the media game, but there just starts to be so many different.

[Brandon Ray]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

It's getting to the point now where

[Matt Castle]

I'm like, is Brady becoming our enemy?

[Bobby Bones]

Can I bring up what can possibly be the scenario? Can I do fictional scenario?

[Matt Castle]

Yes, let's do fictional.

[Bobby Bones]

Let's say you are Thomas Brady.

[Matt Castle]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

Super bowl champion, seven time greatest quarterback of all time, six Super Bowls with the New England Patriots. Now. Now do you want a Patriots team that you're not on to start winning Super Bowls? Don't you like it if you're Tom Brady, that you were the last king ding a ling of the Patriots, and wouldn't you like a bigger gap in time from when you won your Super Bowls and you were Mr. Awesome to someone else being Mr. Awesome in New England? Therefore, you may keep other amazing players from going to New England. That is. Is the suggestion that I have as far as my fictional brain thoughts.

[Matt Castle]

Is that how you would view it if you were Tom Brady?

[Bobby Bones]

As soon as I left the Patriots not suffer.

[Matt Castle]

You want him to go back into the NFL purgatory and just be at the bottom of the barrel? Not long. I'm pretty sure Tom's confident enough and in his resume, in his legacy, that whoever comes next after him, nobody will ever live up to what he set

[Bobby Bones]

the standard to, especially if he's sabotaging

[Matt Castle]

them, especially if he's doing that, putting tripwire in the building.

[Bobby Bones]

Just admit though, and I know you don't agree and you don't have to think that I am at all in your right mind, but that's a pretty good theory and I just came up with it.

[Matt Castle]

It's, it's, it's a good theory. If, if that was the case, maybe that's.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you want to know how I came up with it?

[Matt Castle]

How did you come up with it?

[Bobby Bones]

Because I am so wildly insecure that I thought that's what I would do if I were in the same, same exact position as Tom Brady. I was thinking as like competitor, not insecure. But that works too. It's like they're not, they're not. They're not going to play maybe once they're on the same division. Right. So they're not playing twice a year for sure.

[Matt Castle]

The only place that they would meet is in the playoffs.

[Bobby Bones]

All I'm saying is if I'm a former Patriot that was dominating as a Patriot and again, I was king dangling. I don't want them dangling anytime soon. I want there just to be such. Just people to beg for the days of Tom Brady.

[Matt Castle]

Well, I would say this. The only way that that theory would make sense to me is if the Patriots would have won this year.

[Bobby Bones]

But they didn't. So they still haven't won.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, so they still.

[Bobby Bones]

So he's going to keep them from winning. But they did make it to the super bowl and the Raiders.

[Matt Castle]

He didn't win the Super Bowl. So his legacy of being the last quarterback to win for the Patriots. Six, six Super Bowls there. That's not even threatened at that point.

[Bobby Bones]

And nor will it be because Max Crosby. The problem is second best pass rusher in the NFL is not going to.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, but he's got a knee issue.

[Bobby Bones]

That. That's true. Depending on who you ask. I hear whispers on the streets that Brady's the one that did the physical himself. Yeah. And. And he wants him back. Yes. That's just what's going to be interesting is to see him get traded now. Because he. Do we think, we think he has to get traded. Right.

[Matt Castle]

Well, he's got. He's a 30 million dollar salary.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. You have to.

[Matt Castle]

There's no way he wants to go

[Bobby Bones]

back to, to Vegas, I assume. Cassie, you ever been around a guy like that, like almost got traded or whatever and then came back? No.

[Matt Castle]

Got traded and then came back.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I know you.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, have I been around? No.

[Bobby Bones]

Like who had to come back into the locker room. Like, that's awkward.

[Matt Castle]

He said he showed up at the facility for his treatment the next day.

[Bobby Bones]

I was like, oh God, it's like me having to go back to Lake Hamilton, guys. I'm telling you. Think I don't relate to Max Crosby? I have to go back and be like, I know. I said I was gone. You guys were all cool.

[Brandon Ray]

I'm back.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. And the GM sitting there like, hey, I know we tried to trade you, but. But I'm sorry about the physical.

[Bobby Bones]

Come on, that happens with like the Laker. The kid. The white kid that played at Tennessee. Oh, yeah. Not Austin Reeves. No, the other white. Dalton connect. The other. The other white guy who. The Lakers. Where. I think he was going to Charlotte and you're out of here. But then he didn't pass his physical. The Charlotte guy didn't pass his physical. So he's back in the locker room knowing they wanted him to trade him.

[Matt Castle]

Like, sorry about that. It was just a. Is a mishap. We really do still like you come back in sense. Honestly.

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[Bobby Bones]

Okay, I'm gonna end with this. Top five Free Agency Spending by teams and no, I'm gonna say this because I want to say this. I've been a Titans hater. Not because I generally dislike the Titans. I I wish they would win. I have felt like they haven't been committed to winning. Not because of the coaches or the players, but because of up higher in the organization. That starts with the owner, right?

[Matt Castle]

Non competitive.

[Bobby Bones]

The owner wasn't the owner wasn't letting the other folks do their jobs right. Which made it, in my opinion, an uncompetitive organization and frustrating. Thank you. So number one, Titans. Number one. $288 million they've spent. They spent $288 million. Shout out tides, my new favorite team.

[Matt Castle]

Let's go. Let's go. We're back on the Titan Jo, pounding the table.

[Bobby Bones]

And if their helmets are what they're saying, I like the helmets.

[Matt Castle]

I mean we've got new swags, new

[Bobby Bones]

stadiums moving in the right direction. At number two, the Raiders. 281 million. Good for the Raiders.

[Brandon Ray]

Wow.

[Bobby Bones]

They those two teams have needed to spend Money. The commanders at number three, 176 million. Weird spot for the Commanders because if they had their quarterback, I think they would have been pretty good last year.

[Matt Castle]

Yes. Well, I mean, just look at what he did did in his first year.

[Bobby Bones]

What's crazy about Jane Daniels is there's another Jane Daniels played at Kansas. I know, but I keep hearing every time they say it, it's Jane Daniels to me. Because whenever Carson's brother was on last week.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, he kept saying it.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes, but I always think because my. My friend is the head coach at Kansas.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, really?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And so Jalen was his quarterback, but every time they say it's Jaden Daniels. Every time. They have two Jane Daniels in the NFL now. The Panthers at four, they spent 175 million bucks. And the Saints at five, 170 million. The bottom five, the Vikings spent $12.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, they. Honestly, I don't think they have any cat space.

[Bobby Bones]

They bought a yoo hoo for J.J. mcCartney. That's about what they got at the gas station. The Viking have spent $10 million. The Eagles next up, 15 million. Lions at 31, Falcons at 39. To be fair, if we give the Falcons the benefit of the doubt, the Falcons are getting a quarterback very cheap.

[Matt Castle]

Very cheap.

[Bobby Bones]

And The Jaguars are 43 million. So those are your bottom five spenders.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, this is a crazy time of year, man. And there's a lot of. A lot of guys still out there that will probably get signed at a later date. But obviously this legal tampering phase. Why do they call it legal tampering? Just the word tampering itself makes it feel illegal. Just say it's negotiation phase or whatever, but free agency started Monday.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, legal tampering is weird. It's like, oh, yeah, we're going to do some allowed murder. Like that didn't make a lot of sense. Outside murder was so. This was fun, though, because there's finally stuff to talk about.

[Matt Castle]

This is a lot of stuff to talk about.

[Bobby Bones]

The Max Crosby thing blows my mind.

[Matt Castle]

It does. You haven't. Like I said, I've been around the league for a long time now. I've never seen anything like this of that type of caliber player. Number one. One of the number one defensive players in the. In the entire NFL just failing physical and then saying, no, we. We don't believe he's going to heal correctly.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't think he failed the physical. I just. I don't. And then if I were to pick, my favorite place for Max Crosby to go would be the Dallas Cowboys. And I'm not a Cowboys fan, but he's a perfect Dallas Cowboy. Oh, wow.

[Matt Castle]

I didn't even think of that.

[Bobby Bones]

Big, loud, brash fans love him, dude.

[Matt Castle]

Him with the star in his helmet just sparkling on the outside at a nine. Technique coming to rage.

[Bobby Bones]

He'd be a perfect Dallas Cowboy.

[Matt Castle]

And they've got. They've got some draft picks that they can trade for him, too, but they just got Rashawn Gary. Yes, they did. That was a huge. That was. They trade for.

[Bobby Bones]

They could trade off that big screen, just trade that for him. Yeah, I was like, babe Ruth can trade it for, like, a play back in the day.

[Matt Castle]

That's what they need. They had the worst. Dallas had the worst defense in the league. They gave up 31 points a game. Go get Max Crosby. I love that.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you like playing with Dallas? Is it fun?

[Matt Castle]

It was awesome.

[Bobby Bones]

I would think that would be, like, such a fun place to play.

[Matt Castle]

Incredible. And it's Jerry's world and all that stuff, but when you put that star on your helmet and you go out and the fans are just. They love their Dallas Cowboys, and it's just got that history behind it. It's pretty special.

[Bobby Bones]

Again, I'm not a Cowboys fan. I'm not a Cowboys hater. All my friends are Cowboys fans, so sometimes I'm a hater. But I think that would be a really cool team to play for, especially

[Matt Castle]

because I grew up in the heyday and my dad was from Lubbock, Texas, so he was already a Dallas Cowboy fan. So that's what I grew up watching was the Aikman years. Jay Novacek and Michael Irvin and EMT Smith and all these guys in the super bowl winning. So did when I got Trey there. It was pretty special, I'd say, just because it's just so ingrained in your

[Bobby Bones]

mind growing up, I'd like to end with saying, your beard looks good, don't I? I don't want you to shave it. I start to feel weird about it because last time you did, you were like, people are going to think that I. I don't even know. I don't even know. You said.

[Matt Castle]

I said something. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, you were like, they're not going to take me seriously. I'm not going to be looking professional.

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[Bobby Bones]

Not. You can say, oh, you look young. You're good. Beard looks young.

[Matt Castle]

Been working. Oh, dude, look at. I got the little white. White hairs coming in.

[Bobby Bones]

I know you see it close in the mirror. You can't. You can't tell it's good. Yeah, no, thanks.

[Matt Castle]

I'm going to keep it now.

[Bobby Bones]

All right, look, thank you guys for being here. That's Matt Castle, that's Kickoff, Kevin, that's Brandon Ray and Bobby Bones. We've had lots to say. We will see you guys soon. Bye, everybody.

[Matt Castle]

See you.

[Bobby Bones]

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