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Bobby Bones
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Matt Cassel
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Bobby Bones
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. We got lots to say. We got lots to say? We're glad you're here and we hope you stay. Cause we got lots to say. Yeah, we got lot to say now here's Bobby in that. On my big stupid list. Today, I'm going to do Bill Bellich's possible next five Girlfriends. So that's in a little bit.
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Matt Cassel
Oh, my God.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah.
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Matt Cassel
But I'm going there again, huh?
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Bobby Bones
I like it, man. Okay. And I only answer what you're comfortable with. Does it make you feel weird?
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Matt Cassel
No, it's.
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Bobby Bones
The story's getting weird. It's getting weirder.
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Matt Cassel
I. I think it's perpetuated because the media obviously is taking this by storm. And of course, we've seen the clip. So that part, yes, gets a little bit weird. But for me, I'm on the outside looking in, kind of laughing at the whole situation, going, wow, same.
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Bobby Bones
And I do not give a crap if two people love each other or like each other or whatever the arrangement is, all three of those are different. I do not care as long as everybody's, like, having a good time. Consent.
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Matt Cassel
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
Love, love, love. It's just starting to get a little bizarre.
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Matt Cassel
It is. Because it's taking over the media waves when the guy just got hired to UNC to come over and take over a program. Probably the greatest coach. He is the greatest coach.
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Bobby Bones
He is the greatest coach.
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Matt Cassel
He's the greatest coach. I'm no longer going to play the middle. He's the greatest coach of all time. He's going back to college. That should be the story, period. Hands down.
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Bobby Bones
Sadly, it is not.
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Matt Cassel
It's not.
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Bobby Bones
They're sick because his buyout June 1 goes from 10 million to 1 million. They are speculating now that there's a chance he may never coach a game because he's such a distraction in North Carolina.
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Matt Cassel
They're still going to have him there. Let's be honest.
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Bobby Bones
I think so, too.
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Matt Cassel
All press, I mean, even bad press was good. Press for unc. Let's be honest.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah. It's starting to just be a little weird. The fact that she has $8 million in financial holdings now in properties.
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Matt Cassel
Does she really?
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Bobby Bones
Yeah.
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Matt Cassel
Good for her. Like a young, successful businesswoman.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah.
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Matt Cassel
That's amazing.
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Bobby Bones
I agree. How old?
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Matt Cassel
24.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah.
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Matt Cassel
Wow. That's incredible. I'm sorry.
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Bobby Bones
And kids do the darnest things. Darn it.
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Matt Cassel
I mean.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah.
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Matt Cassel
Incredible.
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Bobby Bones
Okay. And the last thing I'll say before, later we get to the list. And I wasn't planning to start with this, but he coached you, right? We saw them. It did look weird.
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Matt Cassel
The presentation was definitely a little bit different than your normal, normal everyday couple. There's no doubt about that. A hundred percent.
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Bobby Bones
And that's okay, though.
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Matt Cassel
That's okay for him.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah.
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Matt Cassel
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
Nothing was wrong.
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Matt Cassel
Nothing was wrong.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Just making sure. Yeah.
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Matt Cassel
100.
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Bobby Bones
Glad everybody's here. Would you like to hear some podcast reviews and comments?
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Matt Cassel
I think I would.
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Bobby Bones
I felt the same. I think I would. So I've just printed them out.
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Matt Cassel
Did you go through and comb through and make sure that we got all the positive ones?
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Bobby Bones
I did not. I grabbed a block of copy and paste.
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Matt Cassel
Let's see it.
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Bobby Bones
So some good, some bad. And so I, I, I literally just did a control C. Scroll down. Control V. Got it. Boom. Here we are. Number one. Six views that were together from Word Died. Awesome podcast. These two personalities come together well and deliver great content like him. Thank you. Word from Nikki Underscore Devi. My go to listen daily. I feel like I'm having lunch with Bobby and Matt and we're just catching up on the latest. It's the perfect blend of football and sports. Factual, but not out of scope for the average fan with real life discussions, which I don't hear in a bunch of sports shows. Big fan. My problem here is my go to Daily listen. We're only on once, maybe twice a week, so maybe she's listening to us every single day. Every day she says that I can subscribe to. Thank you.
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Matt Cassel
Yeah. Thank you.
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Bobby Bones
That's our five streams.
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Matt Cassel
Yeah. I'm gonna. I'm gonna absolutely listen to this every day.
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Bobby Bones
Here's one from Water is Delicious. What kind of name is that?
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Matt Cassel
I don't know.
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Bobby Bones
Found this on the Bobby Bone show feed. This podcast is not for me. Oh, okay. And that's fine.
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Matt Cassel
No problem. You know, it's not for everybody.
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Bobby Bones
From Noah Lossing 7919. Matt Cassel's pants are distractingly tight.
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Matt Cassel
Hey, I'll get some flooded pants here I gotta, I gotta get some.
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Bobby Bones
I've never noticed your pants are distractingly tight. I've never been distracted by your pants in any way.
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Matt Cassel
Look bro, I do a lot of leg workouts.
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Bobby Bones
All right, two more from kly72. Bobby's found the magic sauce he gets while we listen to podcasts and has the flexibility and the ability to make anything interesting. I hope to hear lots more. Thank you very much. And then Robert Redway says, I know Matt Castle. Who the f is the guy in glasses?
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Matt Cassel
Oh, wow. Come on. Hey, his name's Bobby Bones. Look him up, bro.
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Bobby Bones
Not only that, it's on the friggin thing where you go to the podcast. So to comment on it, you had to see it. But we do appreciate the, the reviews and comments. When you do that, it actually helps us. So please continue to leave.
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Matt Cassel
Especially my wardrobe.
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Bobby Bones
Never have thought about the tight pants. I think your pants look accurately conditioned to your body.
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Matt Cassel
Yeah, it's proportionate.
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Bobby Bones
I would say question what size? Because I wear a 32 waist. But a 32 length. Your length has got to be long, right? Being like 6 4.
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Matt Cassel
I'm about a 32, 34. I'm not like the longest legs. I think I'm a big torso guy.
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Bobby Bones
Ah, classic torso. Big torso guy.
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Matt Cassel
38, 32 big torso guy, long torso guy.
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Bobby Bones
I saw Derek Carr was retiring.
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Matt Cassel
Yeah, I saw that.
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Bobby Bones
So shoulder injury. He's going to require surgery. He. He kind of called it. I don't know. What are your thoughts?
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Matt Cassel
You know, I always respected him as a player. I thought he was underrated for a lot of his career. Won a lot of games, played really well in Oakland, competed against him while I was still playing and just have a lot of respect for him, how he carried himself, the type of leader he was, but also was. Was a really tough player and went out and performed well. I think at this point in his career, coming back from a laboral tear or rotator tear, it would just put him on the shelf probably for the entire season. Guys made boatload of cash, you know, and for him, I'm sure he's got aspirations to go on and do other things probably in the media because you've seen little snippets of him. He's very composed, does that. And so I'm sure he's looking at life after football instead of going back and having to grind through that recovery process and possibly coming back and not being the same player. That's something that everybody has to face at some point, particularly after an injury like that kickoff.
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Bobby Bones
Kevin Will you see what his career earnings were?
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C
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
So his stats, 41, 000 yards, 257 touchdowns, 112 interceptions. I don't think he gets credit for those stats.
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Matt Cassel
That's. That's an impressive stat line because he.
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Bobby Bones
Played on bad teams and Raiders teams that were not good. And the Saints, I think that's probably a chapter we won't look at and go, ah, great. Couple years were bad, too.
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Matt Cassel
Saints were bad, too. They were. They're rebuilding stage. And he was part of that rebuilding stage. Came in, got hurt, and that was kind of all. All they wrote. I would have loved to see him play more while healthy with the Saints because I think he would have helped that organization.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, me too. But 257 and 112 touchdown interception ratio, that's outstanding. I did not think it would be as good as it is just by my perception of how he's talked about. And I watch a. Listen, when you play fantasy football, you basically watch every game, of course, so.
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Matt Cassel
Oh, you watch the red zone, right? You watch the red zone. What's my guy doing? What's my guy.
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Bobby Bones
41,000 yards. How hard is it to give up on something that you've done your whole life? And I ask you from your perspective, because at one point you had to make the decision to not pursue it anymore.
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Matt Cassel
It's really difficult because it's something that you've done not only since you were a child, then you get into high school, you can start getting recruited, and then you get that opportunity to go for my. In my case, to Division 1 and go compete there. And then you get the ultimate dream, which is to make it to the NFL. And if you have any longevity in the NFL, that's your job, that's your profession. I did it. I was lucky enough to do it for 14 years. He was lucky enough to do it for 11. So to come to the reality that you have to make that decision, and there's a stopping point, but you have so much more life to live. It's such a major adjustment for any NFL player that ever goes through it, especially when you get done and you say, okay, you call it quits. Because the one thing that you know when you do call it quits, you're never going to play competitive football again. And that's the tough pill to swallow, because I think all of us that play this game are that we're competitors and we thrive for and live for those Sundays to go out and compete, and you don't get that opportunity to do it. And you'll never have that opportunity in that type of setting again.
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Bobby Bones
Did you have any sort of identity crisis after you retired?
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Matt Cassel
You know what? You've always been known as Matt Castle, the football player, or whoever it might be. And so the hardest part sometimes is re identifying yourself and saying, yes, that was something that I did. But I'm so much more than just a football player. So you have to kind of reinvent yourself and find a new passion and find something that you enjoy doing that is outside the realm of football. And for me, it takes a little time because as time goes on, they don't always recognize you as Matt Castle, the football player. Of course, I get that because I'm in the media and stuff like that still, but takes some times for you to grasp the understanding that, hey, I'm no longer a part of the NFL as a player. So what other passions do you have? And how can you go out and be competitive in another stage of life?
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Bobby Bones
Is it a bizarre feeling the first season you're retired to watch the season on TV from home?
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Matt Cassel
Oh, hell yeah. It's always really weird because as football players, we're very seasonal, right? You have your football season that ends. You have your short off season. You start prepping about a month or two after the season, start getting your body back in shape, then you hit off season workouts and OTAs and mini camps. Then you get that short break, and now it's. Then you're hitting the ground running in August. And for so many years of my life, it was seasonal. And so I'd always still refer to, even when I was done. Oh, it's, it's the off season. Well, it's not my off season anymore, right? I don't, I don't have an off season anymore. I'm just living life and I gotta go figure stuff out, right? So I think that that's a major adjustment. That wasn't a major adjustment. And then all of a sudden you're sitting there and you're like, man, it's Saturday. Normally I'm at the hotel getting prepped, going through the game plan, doing all that, and you kind of miss those different moments and those elements of the preparation. And then all of a sudden, Sunday, and you feel it the first Sunday, because I also had some workouts, whether or not I was going to go potentially play for another team. And so it stings a little bit when that first Sunday rolls around and nobody's called. You've made a decision that you're going to move on, but it's opening day. And you remember that opening day because that was the culmination of all the hard work you did in the offseason. You remember, okay, now it's time to go. So it was difficult to watch games at first, and it was weird to do it and sit there as a spectator and not be like, oh, what? What the hell is he doing? What's this, this, that and the other. But it, over time, it starts to fade a little bit and you become more of a fan.
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Bobby Bones
How long until you stop thinking I might go back? Even like a 1% chance, I think.
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Matt Cassel
It was when that, that middle of that first season out hit because I thought, hey, somebody might call. So I was staying in shape, throwing a little bit, working out, running, doing those things because, you know, you just never knew, especially for a veteran guy like myself, if somebody needed a veteran guy to come in and play a little bit or be a backup to somebody that got hurt. And so I stayed in shape. And then about mid season, I'm like, what am I doing? Nobody's called. And am I truly ready to go back into the fold right now and be the best version of myself? Probably not, because it's just been so long of a period of time waiting for that opportunity that you're not doing it on a daily basis where you're working on your timing and your footwork and all the things that you need to being in that building, learning an offense. And so at that point, I kind of. The realization came that, all right, I'm done.
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Bobby Bones
If you were going to work out and it wasn't season or even after you said you're still working out, after you had officially, or at least in your head, retired, who do you get to throw to? Because we're NFL players. Are you coming high school kids?
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Matt Cassel
Yeah. You'd go up and throw with some of the high school kids sometimes. Or if there was some guys around here that were ex. Ex NFL players that had a day. And that was the hardest thing for me was because when you get. Finally when everybody goes back to camp and they're in camp, who am I going to throw to? I'm not going to fire balls at my kids, even though sometimes I want to. Not, not in a, like, intentional way to hurt them, but just like to teach them a lesson. Yeah. So there wasn't a lot of people to throw to. And that's another. That's another aspect of it is how do I prepare myself for a football season if I don't have the resources to go out and Throw and get myself truly ready to go.
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Bobby Bones
What's exciting is they're now telling us the games that are coming up, at least the opening game. And so they announced that the Cowboys and the Eagles are going to play Week one and have a lot of friends that are die hard Dallas Cowboys fans, which I'm not a Cowboy hater, but I'm not a fan. Everybody that I grew up with was a Cowboys fan because being from Arkansas regionally, it was close. And Jerry Jones is from Arkansas and won the national championship on the last Razorback football team to win the national championship. So very much the Cowboys are part of Arkansas sports culture. But because they were winning so much when I was a kid, and I just cannot jump on a team that's already winning. And because everybody was. It was like Michael Jordan, I didn't hate him, but I definitely was not a Bulls fan because they were winning constantly. And I just. I'm not a winner.
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Matt Cassel
I mean, I was a pretty big fan. My dad grew up in Lubbock. I told you this.
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Bobby Bones
But you also. You have that, though. You have the Lubbock.
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Matt Cassel
Yes.
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Bobby Bones
Your dad.
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Matt Cassel
Right.
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Bobby Bones
Like, I get that.
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Matt Cassel
Yeah. It was more. My dad came from Dallas. Dallas the star. But it also hit the perfect stride because if we weren't really a lot big fans in the 80s, because they were awful in the 80s, but then you hit the 90s.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah.
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Matt Cassel
And they started to roll. And the three Super Bowls and everything else that went on, and Troy Aikman throwing lasers to Michael Irvin and doing all that. Emmett Smith in the backfield, Jay Novacek.
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Bobby Bones
So remember these dudes, I mean, they're. They're fullbacks. Get famous. Like, that's how big the team was. Yes.
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Matt Cassel
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
Like Daryl Johnston. You could go through the lineman. You could go through the defensive lineman.
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Matt Cassel
It was incredible.
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Bobby Bones
The Cowboys were that team and have friends that lived it and loved it and have gone through the struggles. And I was talking to a couple of them this week because they've announced it's the Cowboys Eagles Week 1. And what I think is actually good for the Cowboys is playing the Eagles week one, meaning you got to play the Eagles twice. Anyway, you're both in the NFC East.
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Matt Cassel
Right.
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Bobby Bones
When would you like to play the Eagles? Not week 10, week one. You want to play the best teams the earliest for a couple reasons. One, because just generally, because players aren't playing as many preseason games and they. You got to play yourself a bit into shape more than you ever have.
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Matt Cassel
Right.
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Bobby Bones
But for the vets. Secondly, you're talking about a new offensive coordinator with the Eagle, like there's a lot they're still trying to figure out. So if you're the Cowboys, instead of being like oh this sucks, we got to play the Eagles week one, I think it's well, you got to play the Eagles twice anyway. I think week one's probably your best opportunity. What are your thoughts on that logic?
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Matt Cassel
I totally agree with you because week one's usually a wild card one the emotions in the stadium, everybody's feeling it. And while we've had what do they have two preseason games now two preseason games that's different than the four preseason games we used to play because the prep for the starters always would usually go about the second preseason game. You play a quarter, third preseason or first preseason game, you might play a series or two. Second preseason game, probably a quarter third preseason game was like into the third quarter, first series into the third quarter, fourth preseason game, they didn't play. But that's pretty significant time on task of playing in an environment that is as close as possible to what it will be come game day. Then all of a sudden the opening day comes around and like I said, everybody's jacked up. And I don't care if you're the oldest of oldest vets, you're a 20 year vet, you feel that energy. And so you also don't have the film to go off of to watch because like you said, the Eagles are going to have a new offense corner. They're going to study this offense coordinate and understand a lot of it's going to probably going to be Nick Sirianni. But there's a lot of different moving parts to figuring out. You got to let the game play out a little bit is what I'm saying. Like the first and second quarter is different because you how they attack the different schemes that they're going to run. You haven't seen it for weekend and week out. Like you can prep later on the season because you have so much film to go off of. So this is a great time to get them. I think this, the thing that's going to sting for the Dallas Cowboys is that's when they're going to hang that banner for the Eagles and so they're going to celebrate that super bowl and do it right in front of Jerry Jones and the Cowboy fan base in Philly. That'll be a pretty, pretty big moment. But if you're going to play him at any point, I'd say week one is an outstanding time to do it.
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Bobby Bones
And just look at last year with the Eagles. They were not the Eagles that end up winning the Super Bowl. Remember Sirianni? He should be fired.
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Matt Cassel
Oh, yeah.
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Bobby Bones
So even in the year they won the super bowl, right. The first three or four weeks, that wasn't the old Mona Lisa. That. That was not a work of Philadelphia art right there. They had to play themselves into who they eventually became. So I think week one, if you're a Cowboys fan. Cause, Brandon, you're a Cowboys fan. Yeah, Week one is week one's it. Where you want to play the best team.
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Matt Cassel
Yes, let's go play the best teams right now because they're not going to hit their stride yet. If you're going to be a contender at the end of the year, you're going to hit your stride mid season and start playing your best football at the end of December. But until that point, it's. It's a work in progress.
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Bobby Bones
What do you make career wise, Kevin?
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C
205 million?
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Bobby Bones
Yeah. That's a lot, Suey. That's, that's, that's not how that goes, by the way. It's an insult when you do that. So if we made 205 million, you know, 1. 11 after now, 9 million. Let me do agent agent fees and let me do taxes.
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Matt Cassel
3%.
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Bobby Bones
He played 98, 90. Oh, California. I'm gonna. He probably made about $95 million cleared after taxes, agent fees.
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Matt Cassel
But you're not even talking about advertisements.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, but I don't think he got a bit. I don't see. Car is getting a lot.
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Matt Cassel
I think he got some.
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Bobby Bones
I don't know. Nonetheless, he made his back. We're not. We're not fighting about if he was able to buy groceries. All I was doing was going, how much did he actually get?
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C
Right.
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Bobby Bones
So, I mean, around 100 million bucks. That's freaking. That's awesome.
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Matt Cassel
Go.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, that. That's awesome. And I did. I was in Dallas this past week, did the ACMs, which is a big country music awards show on Amazon. And I did see, because I do want to talk about rookie camp. They were doing some rookie camp while I was there. And actually Dak was there in the white jersey with all the blue jerseys, which were all the guys at rookie camp.
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Matt Cassel
Was he really.
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Bobby Bones
He was there. Yeah. Dak. Dak. And they just got a new backup, Joe Milton. Milton was there in white jerseys. Both the quarterbacks were there working out in white jerseys. Is all the rookies were in blue jerseys.
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Matt Cassel
They don't always have the veteran quarterbacks come back some of it might be because Joe Milton's number one. He's new to the system. But Dak is also coming back from injury. So it's probably just a way to kind of upstart him and get him going back into the sequencing of playing in the offense calling and who knows who else they had for quarterbacks to get out there and throw. But they usually need arms at that point. But that's. Maybe he just wants to lead, man, he's just leading.
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Bobby Bones
He just lead.
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Matt Cassel
Let's go, rookie camp. I'm there, coach.
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Bobby Bones
I texted one of my buddies. I was like, hey, I just saw Dak. Like, he's one of the only vets here that's throwing to the guys that showed up for rookie camp. I said, and he's got a boot on and he's in a sling and he's wearing an eye patch like it is not going well already. The star is really interesting and I'm not talking about Jerry's World, the massive complex where the Cowboys play and they have a lot of concerts, but the star is the practice facility. Were you ever in the Star? Did they have.
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Matt Cassel
We were at the Ranch the year I was there in 2015. The next year they went to the practice facility.
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Bobby Bones
So sick.
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Matt Cassel
And everybody's like, oh my God. I was like, no way I could. You guys couldn't cut me for one more year. So they said it's a life of luxury.
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Bobby Bones
We saw them on the outside working out because we were on the inside rehearsing for the show. But inside it is a full 100 yard football complex. They have state championship games there. They have regular games there. They have full. They. I don't know if you looked it up. Probably 30, 000 seats. I don't know that that's the accurate.
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Matt Cassel
Number, but really it's like a full stadium.
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Bobby Bones
It's a full stadium. It's awesome.
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Matt Cassel
So, yeah, so jealous when.
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Bobby Bones
Let me get that number because we do the acms in there and they fill up that with people all around and they do.
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C
Ford Center.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, the Ford Center.
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C
12, 000 seats.
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Bobby Bones
Okay, well, 30, 000 is different, but still it's big.
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Matt Cassel
Thousand.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, It's. It's awesome.
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C
91 acres is what it says.
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Bobby Bones
91 acres is the whole facility.
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Matt Cassel
And I heard that Jerry Jones got that land for free.
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Bobby Bones
For what? For building on it. Like coming. Yeah, to build there. Like to create opportunity for the.
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Matt Cassel
Pretty good deal. Yeah, create opportunity.
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Bobby Bones
That's also pretty smart by Frisco to go. We will give you this Land. Because you will bring to us a suburb of Dallas.
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Matt Cassel
Oh. It's one of the fastest growing cities right in America.
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Bobby Bones
Like, crazy money you're bringing to us by us giving you this land. Yeah, both. Both win on that.
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Matt Cassel
Brilliant.
- [22:45]
Bobby Bones
We go. And quick sidebar on the acm. So, again, it's a Country Music awards show, and Reba hosted it. And Reba doesn't like to come off stage. So they had me do all this stuff off stage, which is just. And I would think. And this is a grateful shout out to them, so don't take this the wrong way. Anybody listening, you would think they would tell me what to do. Nothing.
- [23:06]
Matt Cassel
No direction whatsoever.
- [23:08]
Bobby Bones
So I get there, and I'm saying this in the most complimentary way. I get there, and the producers are like, okay, so the show is two hours. Two hours, 15 minutes, something like that. They're like, hey, every, like, 25 minutes, you have a hit one. Reba has to do a wardrobe change or she's gonna perform. But you're gonna go out. And we have a couple of business items, but mostly we just want you to go do your thing. And I'm like, what's my thing? Like, which of my things is my thing? Is really what I'm asking.
- [23:35]
Matt Cassel
Yeah. What thing?
- [23:36]
Bobby Bones
Like, what would you like me to do?
- [23:37]
Matt Cassel
Would you like to be my thing?
- [23:38]
Bobby Bones
Cause I got in trouble last year because I've. Every year they've done it on Amazon. They've asked me to come out and be the. I will call it the JV host. I'm not the host. I don't. Because I don't get on the big banner, but I'm the JV host. Where if any. Everything backstage or in the crowd, they're always coming to me. And I was. This is so stupid. I shouldn't. I shouldn't have done this. But they had on the set a bunch of generic ACM Awards just for the set. So I started taking them, giving them out to people as, like, fake award, but for stupid reasons. I would be like, best goofy bow tie tonight goes to. And I would. And so I got a note. Hey, stop doing that. You can't be giving away fake acm. And I'm like, you know what? Okay, cool. I wasn't told not to.
- [24:18]
Matt Cassel
Yeah.
- [24:19]
Bobby Bones
So I thought maybe this year they'd have more things for me not to do.
- [24:22]
Matt Cassel
Right.
- [24:23]
Bobby Bones
So I get there, and I have, like, five segments I'm doing during the two hours. But I'm also the guy that they have in case anything goes wrong or breaks down because. Because it's a fully live show. And I think one of my few skills, and I've developed this skill and I've sharpened it over years and years is you can just drop me and say go. It doesn't matter what you need me to do. I can be compelling on the fly. And so I do a segment and I come back and the sound in the rooms, there's some technical mess up happening. It's like feeding back. You may not have been able to see it through the show, but I remember Old Dominion, who's a band, they're like speaking, doing their, getting their award, but you can't really hear them.
- [25:05]
Matt Cassel
And.
- [25:05]
Bobby Bones
And they're like, hey dude, we need you to go out. And I'm like, okay, when? And they're like 20 seconds. And I'm like, oh crap, one of my shoes wasn't even on. So I throw my slide, my other shoe on, I run out. And where I am good especially is I've had a roving camera all night and I know all the artists there. Like 80% of them I really like, 20% I hate, I avoid them. And so I can just go talk to people. But they put me on the camera that's called the Jib, which is connected to the corner of the room and I can go nowhere. And I don't know that though it'll.
- [25:34]
Matt Cassel
Stay in place right there.
- [25:35]
Bobby Bones
It cannot move. There's no human on it. Oh, no, it's an arm. So I'm looking for the guy and they're like, no, no, we're not ready. We don't have a guy talk to the jib. And I'm like, oh my God. So it comes down. Now, I did have a contingency plan in place where I told Tom, who's the head of my management, I said, hey, if something breaks down and you see me give you like a little wave, would you mind going to get Lionel Richie? Because Lionel was there and I had this bit planned that was brilliant, by.
- [26:02]
Matt Cassel
The way, the fact that you were that forward thinking to go, look, if I get stuck and I need something. Brilliant.
- [26:09]
Bobby Bones
Thank you, planner. And I had a bit for later on in the show with Lionel because you know those name tags that say hello, I'm. And so you know a song hello, of course. So I had written Lionel, hello, I'm Lionel, on one of those name tags and I was going to do a bit where I put it on him and I was like, I've always wanted to do this. And I pull it out and I put it on. Hello, I'm Lionel. And so I had that planned in case. But I say to Tom, this breaks down. I give you the sign, grab Lionel. Because we did worked on American Idol for four years. Lionel Richie is the greatest guy. I love him. And I give Tom the wave, and he goes to get Lionel. But nope, nobody's coming. And I can't turn around and look because I'm staring into this camera and I am stretching and vamping in every way possible. I'm teasing what's coming up. I'm making jokes, I'm seeing. Making fun of people walking by. I don't even know what I'm doing because none of it was planned. It was on the fly. Finally, I don't have. I don't have an earpiece in. I see a producer behind the camera, give me the hands on the shoulders, which means we got it fixed. You have 10 seconds and then get out. And I was like, okay. ACMs continues. Done. There was no Lionel Rich anywhere. So I go to look for Tom, and all of a sudden I see Lionel Richie walking toward me with Tom. And I was like, guys, I just had to kill two minutes. Like, what happened? He goes, well, Lionel was getting up immediately. Lionel goes, I'm in. Starts coming over. Jerry Jones grabs him and goes, hey, Lionel, I want you to meet my family. Like, right as it's happening. So. And if Jerry Jones grabs you and you're in the Star at the Ford center, you stop and you meet the whole Jones family.
- [27:42]
Matt Cassel
100%.
- [27:42]
Bobby Bones
So Lionel's there just meeting and greeting with the Jones family and. And the meet and greet wrapped up right as I was wrapping up. And so Lionel gets over and doesn't really know except Tom said, can you come help out real quick? And Lionel's like, yeah, no problem. And so Lionel and I talked for a little bit. But, yeah, there's a picture of Lionel and I standing together, and I have no color on my face. And you would think because I just went through that whole scenario of being thrown on the spot, but there was just really, really weird light. But one super kind guy. Two didn't get there in time. Even though I had it planned out, contingency plan did not work. And three, that's my only skill was.
- [28:17]
Matt Cassel
That the most nerve wracking of the.
- [28:18]
Bobby Bones
Entire night was not nerve wracking because I did not have time to have my nerves wrecked.
- [28:22]
Matt Cassel
Yeah, so you just were.
- [28:24]
Bobby Bones
I'm not bigger and better than it.
- [28:25]
Matt Cassel
Yeah, just improv it.
- [28:28]
Bobby Bones
And if they would have said hey, you have a minute? I would have prepared a little more in my head, but. And I'd probably been like, oh, boy, here we go. There was so no time that there were no nerves to be racked.
- [28:38]
Matt Cassel
Right.
- [28:38]
Bobby Bones
It was. I don't have a shoe on. Get my shoe on. Quickly. Get down the stairs. Go. So I would have been nervous. It was much like there was one night. And speaking of Lionel, and if you'll indulge me for one other quick story, it's like seven minutes before American Idol starting. And my job on that show was basically, I was fit string because Ryan's a host. There were the three judges. Lionel Richie loved him. Luke Bryan loved him. And Katy Perry.
- [29:09]
Matt Cassel
Oh, no.
- [29:10]
Bobby Bones
Well, this is not another Katie story, but. And I would work with all the contestants on songs to pick how to sing la la. Like seven minutes before the shows to start, they said, hey, Ryan's sick. You have to host the show.
- [29:21]
Matt Cassel
Boom.
- [29:22]
Bobby Bones
And they've never had a guest host in the history of that show.
- [29:24]
Matt Cassel
Never.
- [29:25]
Bobby Bones
Never.
- [29:25]
Matt Cassel
You were the first one.
- [29:26]
Bobby Bones
It's always been, hey, knuckles on that. It's always been Ryan or Dunkleman because they did that first season together. And then it was always Ryan. And I think had they given me 30 minutes, I would have thought myself into some sort of nerve or slight early paralysis. I'd have just thought about it so much.
- [29:44]
Matt Cassel
Yeah, you overthink it.
- [29:45]
Bobby Bones
Yep. And so I had seven minutes. And I remember walking up to the stage, I said, I just need stage direction. Tell me just where to walk after segments so I don't walk into a camera or something. And I'll be good because I've trained my whole life for that. And the end of the story is I crushed it. It was amazing. But the. And I have listen. And this is from a guy who has no confidence in anything I do. I hate everything I do.
- [30:06]
Matt Cassel
I crushed it. I was amazing.
- [30:07]
Bobby Bones
I was.
- [30:08]
Matt Cassel
That's the type of confidence that I want coming out of you all the time.
- [30:11]
Bobby Bones
Like, I was really good. What happened? Like, three minutes before we go on the show. This is my final Lionel Richie story of the day. But he is such a great dude. Their table that's spread and the three judges sit behind it is 100ft, maybe 150ft away. So it's actually pretty far. And it's. It looks closer because the camera angles okay. Than it is right up on this.
- [30:35]
Matt Cassel
I was gonna say it doesn't look that far from the stage.
- [30:37]
Bobby Bones
It doesn't. They have one camera angle pointed out at One pointed toward the stage. And so when they go back and forth, it looks a lot closer, but it's really not that close because they got to put a bunch of cameras in the middle and rolling trolleys. And so it was quite a ways to get back to where I was with only three or four minutes. And I. Somebody taps me on the shoulder and I turn around, and it's Lionel. And it's right before the show starts. And he's like, bobby. And this is how he talks. And I'm like. I'm like, yeah. He goes, I hear you're hosting the show. I said, yeah, I am. This is crazy. He goes, 1971. And it may not be that exact year, but he says, a year. He goes, 1971. The Commodores, now, that was his band. Lionel Richie was one of the Commodores. He goes, we got called up last minute to do Dick Clark's American Bandstand. We weren't ready for that, but they called us up because we were available, and we did it. And you know what? We did it well. And you are going to do this well. So you go and do what you've been trained to do, and I'll see you after the show. And then he walked back to his seat, and they were like, all right, you're up. Went on. And he didn't have to do that.
- [31:43]
Matt Cassel
That's the coolest story ever.
- [31:44]
Bobby Bones
He is one of the most famous, most decorated, greatest singers in the history of American pop music. And he took his time to come back and tell one of his stories, give encouragement when there was nothing in it for him.
- [31:58]
Matt Cassel
Speaks a type of human, right?
- [31:59]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. There was nothing in it for him to do that.
- [32:02]
Matt Cassel
Yeah.
- [32:02]
Bobby Bones
And it was awesome. And I loved it. And I loved him. I just wish he could have got to me a little earlier at the acm.
- [32:08]
Matt Cassel
Can I ask one question? Why was your shoe off?
- [32:11]
Bobby Bones
Because when I got back to the back, I. I think my foot was itching or something. I had, like 12 minutes.
- [32:16]
Matt Cassel
I was just. I was just.
- [32:17]
Bobby Bones
And they were dress shoes. I mean, and I think they were new.
- [32:19]
Matt Cassel
Why? Why? Your shoe might have been off during the show.
- [32:22]
Bobby Bones
Thank you for asking. Now that I think about it, they were new shoes and they were hurting my feet.
- [32:25]
Matt Cassel
Okay.
- [32:26]
Bobby Bones
And I slipped them off. I do have one. Yeah, thanks for asking that, too. Yeah. I get an injury.
- [32:30]
Matt Cassel
I get that a lot. Every time I get a new shoe.
- [32:32]
Bobby Bones
But the Cowboys were having rookie rookie camp. It's rookie camp, right?
- [32:36]
Matt Cassel
Yeah. Rookie camp.
- [32:37]
Bobby Bones
What is that like? So after you were drafted and you go in. Are you just arriving? And are most of the people there that aren't coaches, other, we'll call them kids, rookie type, 19 to 22, 23 year olds.
- [32:49]
Matt Cassel
It's basically all the rookies that they're bringing in. Whether you're drafted or undrafted free agents that are coming in, you literally get picked up at the airport. They send a 12 passenger bus. You have to wait around for some of the other rookies to get there. If you're kind of around the same time, then you take the long drive. At least where we were in Boston, you get into Boston, but you've got to drive to Foxborough, which is a good hour. So. And, and I have no idea where I am, right? So you're sitting there and you're going through and then all of a sudden as you get outside the city, you see nothing but green. It's forest, it's everything. You don't see any suburbs. I'm like, where in the heck are we going? And you pull up to Gillette Stadium in the middle of Foxborough off of Route 1. And you go in and you kind of just. They parade you through, they. And you come in for your first meeting, you have, I think a physical. And then you come in for your first meeting, but they show you where your locker is. And at least in New England, I don't know if they still do this, but in the middle of the locker room there's all these lockers that are not permanent lockers. They bring them in for just the rookies. Right. So it's just sitting there in the middle and you're looking at all these nice, nice lockers around there, like, and you've got the old school one that looks like the, the ones that you have in high school and it's all metal, it's like just this broken down locker, but it's got a jersey in it. And they tell you where you're going and this, that and the other. So the rookies get there and then you start hit hitting the ground running. You go to the meetings, Belichick talks, you talk to the offensive coordinator, they give you a little bit of expectation of what we're going to be doing. You go to meetings that night, start to learn conceptually what you're going to install for the next day. And then the very following day you've got practice in the morning, lunch practice in the evening, and that goes for two days straight before they wrap up. Rookie minicamp.
- [34:34]
Bobby Bones
And is it overwhelming?
- [34:36]
Matt Cassel
Oh, hell yes, it's overwhelming.
- [34:37]
Bobby Bones
But Is it crazy fun or is it nerve wracking?
- [34:41]
Matt Cassel
I wouldn't say it was nerve wracking, so to speak. It was more of it was this excitement, right? I get to go play football and plus you're with other rookies. It's more nerve wracking. I'd say when the whole group gets together, the vets come in right after that and when you start going into the actual off season workouts with those guys and you get on the field and really see, see what it's like to be a professional and these dudes were just coming off three Super Bowls in four years and you go, oh man, this is different. That can be intimidating because you know at some point they just all of a sudden will throw you in there for a rep and you don't want to mess it up, let alone mess up the call in the huddle or do anything like that. So the rookie camp is a good way to just kind of get in there, digest a little bit of the offense and they take it pretty slow, right? You don't have a full capacity to run 11 on 11. It's a lot of seven on seven, which means offense has seven guys. You're really working a passing drill. There's. You don't have a rush or anything like that. You do a lot of one on ones. Some just normal traditional footwork drills and stuff like that. So it's a lot of individual drills more than anything else.
- [36:03]
Bobby Bones
Does anyone not make it out of rookie camp? Will they cut someone in rookie camp or do they need all the bodies for camp?
- [36:10]
Matt Cassel
That's a good question. I mean they maybe might make, might be making some roster moves still at that point. So you might not make it to the next week. But at rookie camp coming out of it, it's not really a tryout as much as they brought these guys in to see if they can be a part of the team.
- [36:28]
Bobby Bones
So most people at rookie can't make it to real camp.
- [36:32]
Matt Cassel
Well, real camp is down the road, right? So you go through now rookie camp is just the start the then you go right into your OTAs where you're working out with the team. And a lot of times, that's the funny part is rookies, they kind of put you together and segregate you a little bit from the group. So you guys all work out at the same time. Where the vets have maybe multiple times that they can pick and choose what fits in their schedule when they want to work out. But rookies are all together and they kind of treat you like children? Deservedly so. It's. Maybe it's like part of the hazing process, so to speak. But they're not really hazing you. They're just making you feel like you're a rookie and listen to some obscure music that Mike Wick, the. The head strength and conditioning coach would put on like old school Johnny Cash and stuff like that. And no, no rap music, anything that he wanted to listen to. And then as you start to assimilate into team stuff, that's when OTAS is like a true practice. Back then you're having a practice and then you get into like veteran minicamp, and that's when things really kick up. So the whole time is just these baby steps of assimilating you into the culture of the team, putting you around the veterans in due time, and then also the learning process for you as a rookie.
- [37:44]
Bobby Bones
In rookie camp, is there a hierarchy of first round draft picks, seventh round draft picks, and unrestricted or I guess would be just free agents, like undrafted free agents.
- [37:53]
Matt Cassel
Undrafted free agents. There's really not. Because Coach Belichick, the first thing he does when he comes in, he says, I don't care where you've been drafted. I don't care if you're the first overall pick or if you were undrafted. The fact of the matter is you have to earn your keep right now on this team. So what you did before this means absolutely nothing. It won't carry over into your status on this team. You have to prove it each and every day. You've got to be accountable, you've got to do the right things and you earn your playing time. And that's what he said to everybody as soon as they walked in that building. And so for me, as a seventh rounder, I was like, that's cool. Maybe. Maybe I can work harder, huh? Maybe I can make this team.
- [38:32]
Bobby Bones
Speaking of Coach Belichick, I have my big dumb list. 5 people I suggest for Bill Belichick's next girlfriend. At number five, Olivia Dunn, familiar with Libby Dunn, gymnast at lsu.
- [38:50]
Matt Cassel
Yes.
- [38:51]
Bobby Bones
Paul Skeen's girlfriend. Yeah, I think so.
- [38:54]
Matt Cassel
Paul Skeen and her. Do you think are going to be through pretty soon?
- [38:57]
Bobby Bones
If they happen to be. I put her on. If they happen to be at number. She's young, she's athletic, she's media savvy. And here's why I think she's.
- [39:03]
Matt Cassel
She is very media savvy.
- [39:04]
Bobby Bones
Yes. She will not stop an interview by yelling, we don't want to talk about that.
- [39:08]
Matt Cassel
No, she'll want to talk about It.
- [39:09]
Bobby Bones
Yes. And she'll jump in. Exactly it. And be a part of it and make Belichick even that more lovable.
- [39:15]
Matt Cassel
Yeah.
- [39:15]
Bobby Bones
And again, she comes from an athletic background, meaning she's a all American gymnast.
- [39:20]
Matt Cassel
Yeah, she's a stud.
- [39:21]
Bobby Bones
Yes. So number five, Olivia Dunne.
- [39:24]
Matt Cassel
Okay.
- [39:25]
Bobby Bones
Number four, age 34, Taylor Swift.
- [39:30]
Matt Cassel
Wow. Yeah. That's stepping your game up for sure.
- [39:34]
Bobby Bones
He publicly praised her endurance when he went and watched her show like he was watching game film. He's got respect for that because he watched her for three hours and he's like, she has the endurance of a ballplayer. Listen, she's powerful. She's calculated, hydrated. Very much so. Loves. Loves a rebrand. Taylor Swift constantly loves a rebrand. Her next album could be like, reputation, Foxborough version. Or like, it's limitless a lot.
- [40:02]
Matt Cassel
I mean, because if that ever does happen, there's gonna be an amazing album coming out about Kelsey.
- [40:10]
Bobby Bones
Well, that is coming.
- [40:11]
Matt Cassel
Is it coming?
- [40:12]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, that's coming.
- [40:12]
Matt Cassel
Oh, it's already happening.
- [40:13]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, it's already happening.
- [40:14]
Matt Cassel
Oh, man.
- [40:15]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. Only. Only little details have leaked, but if they did, the Belichick Taylor Swift romance, you know, Bill would have, like, spoken parts in some of the songs he'd be. Or they would take, like, famous speeches, like little clips of like, I'm not. I'm only here to talk about Cleveland, you know?
- [40:30]
Matt Cassel
Yes, yes.
- [40:31]
Bobby Bones
How great would that be?
- [40:32]
Matt Cassel
That'd be. Actually. That would be a tremendous relationship to watch.
- [40:35]
Bobby Bones
Thank you. That's number four.
- [40:37]
Matt Cassel
That's four. I mean, we're working our way up.
- [40:39]
Bobby Bones
Alex Earl is at number three. Familiar?
- [40:42]
Matt Cassel
Nope.
- [40:42]
Bobby Bones
Podcaster. Really famous. She puts pretty much everything on Instagram, and she's currently dating Braxton Barrios, the wide receiver for the Dolphins.
- [40:52]
Matt Cassel
Oh, yeah.
- [40:53]
Bobby Bones
So she's kind of already in the league.
- [40:55]
Matt Cassel
Yeah, she's in the league.
- [40:56]
Bobby Bones
It's just like moving to a different. Because sometimes you see that with some of the athletes, their girlfriends were the same as another player's girlfriend because they.
- [41:04]
Matt Cassel
Know how to get this 100%. So you're saying that there's carryover. She understands the expectation. But player to coach is a lot different in terms of time requirement. So that would be interesting to see how that all works.
- [41:15]
Bobby Bones
She's moving up, though. She's moving up at number two. Haley Van Lith, college basketball star, trash talker.
- [41:25]
Matt Cassel
Yes.
- [41:26]
Bobby Bones
Tough.
- [41:28]
Matt Cassel
Tough basketball star right there.
- [41:30]
Bobby Bones
Competitive, wants to kill every person on the court. And she dies for loose balls, like that sort of thing. Grit. And that's his love language, which I agree.
- [41:38]
Matt Cassel
100%.
- [41:38]
Bobby Bones
I can see him.
- [41:40]
Matt Cassel
If there's a new category, Grit would be one for love. Language.
- [41:43]
Bobby Bones
And her nil agent probably has already pitched this. And it's like, I'm next step. I'm ready to go. I'm in number one. It's the only age appropriate one on the list. Donna Kelce.
- [41:52]
Matt Cassel
Donna.
- [41:55]
Bobby Bones
You know, she's not in her 20s or 30s, and I get it. That's a lot what this list was.
- [42:00]
Matt Cassel
But talk about getting it.
- [42:01]
Bobby Bones
But hangs. Yes. Hangs with the young, understands the modern game, travels. Belichick loves experience. So you have to, you know that she knows how to handle the media frenzy. And they could actually talk about old Andy Griffith and Gunsmoke. Like, they would have that in common. So that's my number one.
- [42:20]
C
Wow.
- [42:20]
Matt Cassel
Okay. I love it.
- [42:21]
Bobby Bones
And I take out if anybody is, like married or anything. I don't even know. I just picked those people because I knew it. So I'm not sure if Donna Kelce is still married to Travis's dad or not.
- [42:29]
Matt Cassel
I don't know that either.
- [42:30]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, but that's not part of the.
- [42:31]
Matt Cassel
That's not part of the deal. These are obviously very hypothetical.
- [42:34]
Bobby Bones
Yes, I would say hypothetical, bordering on fictional. Except they're real people. They're real fictional situations.
- [42:41]
Matt Cassel
I would definitely say that's a fictional situation.
- [42:43]
Bobby Bones
Did you see the Mavericks get the number one pick?
- [42:46]
Matt Cassel
Oh, yes, I did. People's minds are. Everybody's just blown right now. And the conspiracy theorists are coming out. Everything else after the Luca trade, hilarious. I mean, even the gm, and I forget his name right now, but Nico.
- [43:02]
C
Harrison.
- [43:02]
Matt Cassel
Harrison, Harrison. When he came out and said, I just didn't know the fan base liked him that much. I was just like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [43:08]
Bobby Bones
Really? Yeah.
- [43:09]
Matt Cassel
Have you listen to one of the games?
- [43:11]
Bobby Bones
He knew. He knew.
- [43:12]
Matt Cassel
I mean, he knew.
- [43:13]
Bobby Bones
I think too, he saw what his future was if they had Luka. And that's somebody who doesn't take care of themselves. That's somebody who can't play defense. Luca's awesome, but you saw Luca's awesome. You saw Luca, though, really defensively hurt the Lakers chance of going any further in the playoffs. Like, they had to play small ball anyway. They don't have a center.
- [43:37]
Matt Cassel
Right.
- [43:37]
Bobby Bones
But I think they scored like 34 point on 34 points a game on Luka alone.
- [43:42]
Matt Cassel
Yes.
- [43:43]
Bobby Bones
So you have to have people that can make up for his defensive inefficiencies. And they don't have that because he cannot play defense. And also, how do you stay. And I say this in the most loving way. If I ran that much, I think.
- [43:54]
Matt Cassel
I would be at least in shape.
- [43:57]
Bobby Bones
You know, that's a way to say it. Because even Jokic, his body has changed. Like once he's got in shape, he's a center and he doesn't have to run around and chase guards.
- [44:06]
Matt Cassel
No, he doesn't at all. And he's got to play out on the point. And you're like, all you do is run back and forth.
- [44:12]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. Like, what are you walking off immediately and having a choco pie, like one of those ice creams.
- [44:17]
Matt Cassel
But he definitely does score.
- [44:18]
Bobby Bones
He's awesome.
- [44:19]
Matt Cassel
30 to 40 points.
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Bobby Bones
I would.
- [44:21]
Matt Cassel
I would love to have drops dimes all over.
- [44:24]
Bobby Bones
So they had a 1% chance. What's hilarious is they had a coin flip for I think the 11 or 12 spot between the Bulls and Dallas for just that. And they also played in a playoff. I think they want to play in game.
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C
They did, and then they lost second one.
- [44:37]
Bobby Bones
Crazy. They want to play in game. They had a 1% chance and they hit the number one pick. So all that aside, it does feel. Because they don't show the balls anymore. Back in the day, they would show the balls and they pull the ball.
- [44:54]
Matt Cassel
Right.
- [44:54]
Bobby Bones
The Milwaukee Bucks.
- [44:56]
Matt Cassel
Yes.
- [44:56]
Bobby Bones
B11. So. But they don't do that now. They just open up the envelopes.
- [45:02]
Matt Cassel
That's right. They do just open up the envelopes. They need to go back to the ball thing.
- [45:06]
Bobby Bones
Well, apparently they do the balls in a different room. I know what balls are doing in a different room. Nico's because he traded Luca over to the friggin Lakers. So do. Let's answer the question straight up. Do you think there were any shenanigans involved? If you had to. Here's $10,000 bet. Yes or no, Were there shenanigans involved?
- [45:27]
Matt Cassel
No. I'd like to think there were, but no. I think that they just lucked out. You.
- [45:33]
Bobby Bones
I'm also gonna go no. Because if you were to get caught, it would come close to sinking the whole thing.
- [45:41]
Matt Cassel
Right.
- [45:42]
Bobby Bones
And it's not worth it.
- [45:43]
Matt Cassel
The 31 other teams, you don't think that that would destroy you? It would destroy, as a commissioner, as a league, everything.
- [45:50]
Bobby Bones
Any trust we had in the league already. I. As fun as it is to think that something's up, it's not worth that risk. No chance to sink an entire league because you wanted to cheat to get a number one overall pick to Dallas. Especially when there are instances of for sure not being for sure. See Zion, right?
- [46:12]
Matt Cassel
Yes.
- [46:13]
Bobby Bones
LeBron Wimby Zion. Those are for sures. Except not really because Zion's been hurt pretty much his whole life. Zion's another guy who he's, he was looking pretty good this year. But Zion's not the guy who's having a little choco pie. Like probably a little too many choco pies.
- [46:26]
C
Yeah, he looks great in the off season when he loses weight.
- [46:28]
Matt Cassel
Yeah, keep that, maintain that.
- [46:31]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. I don't know man. If I were young, 22, 23, millions of dollars, I'd probably be in a lot of chocolate pies too.
- [46:40]
Matt Cassel
I would 100 be. I mean there was guys I played with that they would eat awful, awfully awful.
- [46:48]
Bobby Bones
Both worked for me both and could.
- [46:51]
Matt Cassel
Run circles around people. Like had a metabolism like you wouldn't believe and it never bothered him. Then there's other guys that looked at a cupcake wrong and put on five pounds. So you gotta know your body type, I guess. And at the end of the day, these guys also can afford getting a nutritionist or having an at home chef like Derek Henry. He pays whatever he does. But yeah, Derek Henry, he takes care of himself.
- [47:13]
Bobby Bones
Funny Derek Henry story. So my, the physical therapist that I use and she comes over and just does body work on me, if I'm like, especially if I'm training for something or I'm working out or I injure myself, she will come over. But she also has Derek Henry and a lot of times she would leave his house to come to mine and I'll be like, oh my God, you just went from freaking Musclevania to Stick City. Like going from that dude where you're having to like really go at it, coming to me where it's like you ever say the game operation, it's just pulling a lot of this is that.
- [47:40]
Matt Cassel
He was an absolute beast. I played with him in Tennessee and I remember speaking of rookies, you know, I told you they kind of isolate you a little bit, make you work out. I'm sitting there, first day of workouts and they line up the rookies and they're line them up to get them ready to go. And I'm like, who's that dude? Well, I thought he was a defensive lineman or somebody like that. It's Derrick Henry.
- [48:00]
Bobby Bones
He was that big.
- [48:01]
Matt Cassel
I mean he is massive and he's just got rocked up arms and the dude takes care of him, is a workout warrior. There's no, I mean there's a reason why he is who he is.
- [48:13]
Bobby Bones
So a few NBA draft conspiracies and we have done the conspiracy theory Segment just straight up, we did one and oddly, another show very, very quickly after did our exact same everything exactly. But it doesn't matter. We love everybody. We don't. But what we should do is at the end, after the close, we should pop that segment that we did on just straight sports conspiracies. Kevin, on the very back, it'll be after the theme song. So if you already heard it, you don't have to listen to it. But I really did like the segment. Apparently so did another show. But I have, I have the four that I think are really interesting as far as NBA draft conspiracies. So very specific into this world. Number one, the frozen envelope. And if you have you've watched any of this on YouTube from 1985. So the Knicks get Patrick Ewing. So the original. This is the OG draft conspiracy. It is the NBA again. I'm going to say it one more time. All of this is alleged or a theory or idiots is making guesses. Yes, I'm covered legally.
- [49:19]
Matt Cassel
Covered legally.
- [49:20]
Bobby Bones
Thank you. The NBA wanted to revive the struggling New York Knicks. So commissioner David Stern ensured they got number one by selecting a frozen or bent envelope from the drum. Now, it wasn't ping pong balls. It was envelopes inside there that you reach in. So word is, if you believe is that one of them was frozen so you could reach down in and actually tell the difference in how cold one of them was. So then that's how he knew which one to grab. Couldn't do it with his eyeballs, so did it with his hands. Nick Scott Ewing. NBA ratings rise and Stern then becomes the ultimate puppet master. That one. And it's the 80s because in the 80s you could like murder people and drive across state lines. And you're all clear again, because they don't share records, right?
- [50:01]
Matt Cassel
That's when serial killers were like at their peak because nobody could find them.
- [50:05]
Bobby Bones
Ted Bundy was rocking, dude. And it was because he just moved. He just moved eight miles away. And all of a sudden he's in Nevada now murdering again.
- [50:11]
Matt Cassel
Well, he also could escape prison.
- [50:13]
Bobby Bones
Who escaped escape prison two or three times. I'd have been a great murderer.
- [50:18]
Matt Cassel
Unbelievable.
- [50:19]
Bobby Bones
1985, because it was then and there weren't all the angles. And I think that definitely could have happened. And the league wasn't the successful NBA that it is now. Now they did have the earliest versions of Magic and Larry Bird, like that was happening, but Magic and Larry became massive and then Jordan took it from there. New York needed to be good because it was market. 1 yes. So that one I can for sure see as being a thing.
- [50:53]
Matt Cassel
I could see it.
- [50:54]
Bobby Bones
And whoever thought of the frozen envelope, like, you need a raise?
- [50:56]
Matt Cassel
I mean. Yeah, exactly.
- [50:58]
Bobby Bones
Whatever boardroom you're in. Yes.
- [51:01]
Matt Cassel
I don't care if I get freezer burn. It doesn't matter. This is gonna help us, guys.
- [51:05]
Bobby Bones
Put it in this yeti. Commissioner Stern. And then right before, we're gonna take it out and put it like. I think that one could be real. Let's go around the room. Do you think that one. It is real? It could be real or no way could be real. Kevin.
- [51:18]
C
It is real.
- [51:19]
Bobby Bones
I think it is real. I think it is real, too.
- [51:22]
C
I'm all in, baby.
- [51:23]
Bobby Bones
I'm into. It's real. I'm like 80% real. Okay, next up. Next up is LeBron in 2003 to the Cavs. It's very much a. You want to give the Cavs their hometown guy? Ohio born LeBron James changed his franchise, changed his home state. The plan all along supposedly, was this kid who grew up in Akron, went to the NBA out of high school, was always going to go to Cleveland. It feels two storybook to me to be real.
- [51:58]
Matt Cassel
It's absurd when you think about the reality of that, like, homegrown, the like generational talent. Everybody knows your name since you were a freshman in high school. You're obviously deemed the number one draft pick coming into the NBA. And then you get to go play in your home state down the road. Down the road again.
- [52:23]
Bobby Bones
That's like a Disney movie.
- [52:24]
Matt Cassel
It's a Disney movie.
- [52:25]
Bobby Bones
And I remember whenever they were doing the draft and there were two teams left, and you can fact check me, but I'm pretty sure it was the. It was Memphis and it was Cleveland. And running Memphis at the time was the logo. Jerry west. And I, I. He was sitting there and it was one of those two teams and it went to Cleveland. And I remember thinking, this is rigged. Now, I didn't know that, but what do you think?
- [52:50]
Matt Cassel
I mean, it's awesome.
- [52:51]
Bobby Bones
It's awesome. It's awesome. It is. It might be or it's not.
- [52:56]
Matt Cassel
It's not.
- [52:58]
Bobby Bones
Wow. I'm gonna have to go. It might be, but I. I'm almost going up a step, but I'm gonna go. It might. It's so storybook, Kevin.
- [53:05]
C
Yeah, if it was in the 80s, I'd probably say it was, but I'm gonna go.
- [53:07]
Bobby Bones
It might be. Yeah. How about this one? It's very much a hometown kid again. The Bulls get Derrick Rose in 2008. And it's not just about Derrick Rose, who, by the way, was freaking awesome in Memphis. They almost won a national championship. I remember they just missed free throws. Why they lost that national championship game.
- [53:39]
C
Yeah. And the Mario Chalmers hit the.
- [53:41]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. Yeah. They missed all the free throws. The Chalmers hits it.
- [53:44]
Matt Cassel
Yep.
- [53:45]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. That's ugly for Memphis.
- [53:46]
C
Yeah.
- [53:47]
Bobby Bones
So Derrick Rose, born and raised in Chicago. The Bulls were still the team of Michael Jordan looking for a star.
- [53:55]
Matt Cassel
The next star.
- [53:56]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. If not the next Jordan. Because I guess we didn't know we weren't going to get that for a long time. We didn't know how good we had it. They were looking for that next guy. And the Bulls was. They were still such a valuable brand because Jordan hadn't been gone for 40 years.
- [54:11]
Matt Cassel
Right. And everybody also associated the Bulls with Nike because Jordan brand the Jordan logo, everything else, it still holds weight to this day just because of that reason.
- [54:22]
Bobby Bones
And here's the kicker. Chicago had a 1.7% chance to get the PIT.
- [54:26]
Matt Cassel
1.7.
- [54:27]
Bobby Bones
It was basically Dallas a 1.7% chance. And they did and got their homegrown guy.
- [54:33]
Matt Cassel
So I mean, need to go get lottery tickets. Not like they need it, but still.
- [54:37]
Bobby Bones
I saw on Instagram, you may get the exact number yesterday, an image they had up that the number the worst team, the worst odds. Like the worst team. Because I think what they do to stop tanking is they level them out at 14%. Like the top three teams all have a 14% chance.
- [54:51]
Matt Cassel
Okay.
- [54:51]
Bobby Bones
So because if you just tanked hard, you would tank to be the absolute worst. But to encourage them to not tank as hard, they automatically make three teams have the exact same odds to get the first pick.
- [55:02]
Matt Cassel
So it's 14% for the last those three teams.
- [55:05]
Bobby Bones
Yes.
- [55:06]
Matt Cassel
Okay.
- [55:06]
Bobby Bones
And that the at the worst team though, hasn't won, hasn't got the number one pick. And like seven years or something. Eight years.
- [55:13]
Matt Cassel
Really?
- [55:13]
Bobby Bones
Yep. The worst team has now.
- [55:15]
Matt Cassel
Very interesting.
- [55:16]
Bobby Bones
I thought so too. So. And then the other one is that we'll go back to Cleveland. They win the lottery in 2011. So LeBron leaves in 2010 and that's the decision to go to Miami. He's going to take his talents to south beach. And the Cavaliers miraculously win the lottery and get Kyrie Irving. So Kyrie goes to Cleveland. The NBA wanted to stabilize Cleveland and felt bad that LeBron left. And then the twist is that pick of Kyrie helped LeBron get back to Cleveland because he wanted to go play for a team that could win and he wanted to win a championship. And he did.
- [55:53]
Matt Cassel
So he went and won a train. How many years was he in Miami? Three.
- [55:57]
Bobby Bones
Four.
- [55:57]
C
He won three championships.
- [55:59]
Bobby Bones
Four years. Because Dallas beat him. A year.
- [56:02]
C
Yeah. Santa.
- [56:02]
Bobby Bones
So maybe even five.
- [56:03]
C
Yeah.
- [56:04]
Bobby Bones
So.
- [56:05]
Matt Cassel
And then he went back to Cleveland. Yeah.
- [56:07]
Bobby Bones
With Kyrie. And they played together.
- [56:09]
C
2018, by the way, was the last time a team with the worst odds actually won.
- [56:14]
Bobby Bones
So seven years.
- [56:15]
Matt Cassel
Yeah, seven.
- [56:16]
Bobby Bones
I love a good meme. I feel like I can memorize memes. I can't memorize anything else. I see a meme, like, they're catchy. Yeah, I'm in. Yeah. I have listed three other conspiracy theories just for fun. They have nothing to do with basketball. Number one, birds aren't real. Now, some birds are.
- [56:33]
Matt Cassel
Explain a little bit of that to me.
- [56:34]
Bobby Bones
Some birds are. Thank you for asking.
- [56:36]
Matt Cassel
I would.
- [56:36]
Bobby Bones
The claim is that a lot of birds were replaced by the government surveillance drones that they had created in the 1970s. And at times, people would notice pigeons on power lines fly off weirdly. But the pigeons would then charge themselves on the power line. Like, if it's like a charger.
- [56:56]
Matt Cassel
This is awesome.
- [56:58]
Bobby Bones
So here's what I think about Birds aren't real. Do I think that this is stupid? Yes. Do I think birds are real? Absolutely. And I think those are birds flying above us. Except now, especially this year at the end, it might have been Vegas or it might have been in another, like, Middle Eastern country where they have a whole bunch of money. At one of their technology conferences, they now for the public to buy, you can buy birds that are drones that are drones that can video that don't look like drones. They're birds.
- [57:31]
Matt Cassel
Why would anybody be allowed to do that?
- [57:33]
Bobby Bones
So my thinking and theory is, if they're allowing us to buy them now, you don't think they had these 30 years ago? Yeah, of course they did. Do. Do I think that pigeons on wires are recharging? No. That's hilarious.
- [57:47]
Matt Cassel
No.
- [57:48]
Bobby Bones
Do I think that most were? No. But do I think they were using these before we even had the ability to have drones? Or I went to the mall and buy one of those little helicopters, flew into a tree. Immediately it went. I lost it immediately.
- [57:59]
Matt Cassel
I've done that before as well. Yeah.
- [58:02]
Bobby Bones
But I do think they've had the technology to do this for a long time, and they have used it and probably smartly. So according to them, you don't think.
- [58:09]
Matt Cassel
Though, that they were, like, old school where they had the pigeons and they put the little note on them and.
- [58:14]
Bobby Bones
So carrier pigeons, they're real.
- [58:16]
Matt Cassel
Yes.
- [58:17]
Bobby Bones
Those are real things, carrier pigeons.
- [58:19]
Matt Cassel
That's where they got the concept from. Then they just put a video camera on its neck.
- [58:22]
Bobby Bones
They just carry data. Yeah, video back.
- [58:24]
Matt Cassel
Yeah, video back.
- [58:25]
Bobby Bones
So birds aren't real is interesting where I think that's stupid except it. There's some truth way in it.
- [58:31]
Matt Cassel
There's definitely some kind of technology, probably back in the day.
- [58:34]
Bobby Bones
Yes. And they're using things like birds to. To be Big Brother. But do I think that a lot? Word? No, they don't need that many. You just need like one bird. Put a town.
- [58:46]
Matt Cassel
Put a nest up there.
- [58:47]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. Okay, Next up, Avril Lavigne was a place by a lookalike named Melissa. The real Avril died. Her record label replaced her body with a body double. Clues include facial differences, handwriting, and weird vibes. Post 2003, have you seen anything about the fake Avril Lavigne?
- [59:02]
Matt Cassel
No, I haven't.
- [59:03]
Bobby Bones
It's a compelling story.
- [59:04]
Matt Cassel
Did the, like, parents come out and be like, she's acting different?
- [59:07]
Bobby Bones
No, I don't think so.
- [59:09]
Matt Cassel
She couldn't remember my name, I don't think.
- [59:10]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, because that would be the first sign. Unless the parents are in on it.
- [59:14]
Matt Cassel
So, I mean, that would be pretty bold for parents to be like, I know she passed away, but you're going to be a great daughter to us.
- [59:21]
Bobby Bones
Yes. Unless the record labels like, we're going to give you $10 million. We hate that for you. Now do I think you were the.
- [59:27]
Matt Cassel
Worst, worst parents ever?
- [59:28]
Bobby Bones
For sure. No way that this is true. But it very much resembles the Paul McCartney. Paul is dead. The Beatles. If you back where? Mask. Get some mask. Some of their songs back in the day, they'd be like, paul is dead. And he would wear, like, no shoes. Walking across, you know, the road at Abbey Road. All this that. Right. So this is just a version of that conspiracy theory. However, here's how I know that it is not true.
- [59:52]
Matt Cassel
Talk to me.
- [59:54]
Bobby Bones
I'm backstage. It's like week eight of Dancing with the Stars of the season that I was on Avril Lavigne's performing. I know this theory. I've heard it before. And I see her and I'm not somebody to go and bother anybody ever. I feel like nobody wants me around, so why should I even be around?
- [60:10]
Matt Cassel
You're like, let me check your dental record.
- [60:13]
Bobby Bones
I fake like a dentist. I put on a coat or a doctor. I see her sitting there and I walk by and I needed to do this for the sake of the story. And I went, melissa. She never looked up. She Never looked up. And I looked to see if she looked up. She never even thought that someone could be called. And if that was really Melissa, even if she didn't mean to, she would have been like, huh? And she didn't. That's Avril Lavigne. And that is now settled.
- [60:40]
Matt Cassel
It's settled right here on this show. Put it to bed.
- [60:44]
Bobby Bones
To bed it is. Finally, Beyonce was never pregnant with Blue Ivy. So this one is interesting if you watch the video. So back. And I think it was. It was one of the award shows. It could have been like MTV Video Music Awards or whatever. But she comes out and she performs. Could have been the Grammys. I don't know. They're all the same at this point, except the ACMs, which I love. And she comes out and she's performing, and then she does. Rubs her belly, and everybody's like, oh, Beyonce's pregnant. Does anybody remember that scene?
- [61:11]
C
No.
- [61:12]
Bobby Bones
No. Okay. That's how she announced she was.
- [61:13]
Matt Cassel
No, but I'm gonna go look it up.
- [61:15]
Bobby Bones
She's out singing, and then she rubs her belly. Well, there's.
- [61:19]
Matt Cassel
Was she showing at this point?
- [61:20]
Bobby Bones
Yes.
- [61:20]
Matt Cassel
Okay.
- [61:22]
Bobby Bones
Yes. And not only that, her belly, like, folds weirdly. It does. Her belly folds weirdly. Especially when she sits down, it folds Odd. And so people think that she used a surrogate, which is great and awesome, but they think she was lying about actually having the baby because of that she was wearing a fake baby belly. It does. If you look at the YouTube and you see it does fold weird. Now, if you want to use surrogate, that's good for you. Awesome, right? Hope you let it rip. But the conspiracy is she did use a surrogate and didn't want to tell anybody because.
- [61:56]
Matt Cassel
But why would you come out in public and rub it? Like, rub your belly and wear a. Wear a fat suit or a pregnancy suit. That's. That's really. That's really trying to cover some things up. Just.
- [62:09]
Bobby Bones
Wow, that is a lot of covering.
- [62:10]
Matt Cassel
That's a lot of covering.
- [62:12]
Bobby Bones
Maybe you just don't want people to go, well, she's rich and she is paying someone else to carry her baby. And the stigma that comes with that, which is aside from somebody who maybe had dealt with cancer and has to have somebody carry for medical reasons, there's also Blue Ivy's name is an acronym, according to some, for born living under evil. Blue. Blue, which is Illuminati.
- [62:37]
Matt Cassel
Wow. I would. I wouldn't want to name my kid that. Then.
- [62:42]
Bobby Bones
Blue.
- [62:43]
Matt Cassel
If that's what a blue is. Beautiful. I Mean just the.
- [62:45]
Bobby Bones
I don't generally what I mean.
- [62:47]
Matt Cassel
I know I'm Matt. We're going deep down.
- [62:49]
Bobby Bones
This whole mother ate tendonitis tortellini. Oh, man, that's a beautiful. This guy, his mom was a tendonitis Italian chef and had had it out. And she loved Mussolini. That's how a conspiracy gets started.
- [63:07]
Matt Cassel
Why I have tendonitis now.
- [63:09]
Bobby Bones
That's how a conspiracy gets started. Before we jump out on this, let's just do a minute for us. You guys feel good about that?
- [63:16]
Matt Cassel
Yeah.
- [63:17]
Bobby Bones
And I do this because I want to talk to kick off Kevin. Let's put that out there. Kick off Kevin. And this is his really last show to even produce because he's about to have two babies. Twins.
- [63:30]
Matt Cassel
Two babies.
- [63:31]
Bobby Bones
So we'll go around the room and everybody take. Just talk about something happening in your personal life. Kevin, we're gonna go to you first, because I think after this, you are officially done for a couple weeks.
- [63:41]
C
Yeah, I'll be out for two weeks. So when this episode comes out, it is the day that we are scheduled to. My wife is gonna have section with twins coming out, bro. Our first two.
- [63:53]
Bobby Bones
I haven't seen her belly fold. I'm not convinced it's her.
- [63:55]
Matt Cassel
I know.
- [63:58]
C
Well, I was gonna name the girl.
- [63:59]
Matt Cassel
Blue, but not anymore.
- [64:00]
Bobby Bones
Good. Change that. Dang it. Don't go with Matt either. It's a whole Mussolini thing.
- [64:03]
Matt Cassel
Yeah, tendonitis too, right? You don't want that smoking.
- [64:07]
Bobby Bones
No, you do not.
- [64:08]
C
Yeah. So we got that coming. And I am super pumped. Been a long road ahead. Matt knows this very well, and so does Brandon over here. These nine months, man, it's a grind. So she's ready, I'm ready, and we're excited, but I am bom. I'm going to miss you guys for two weeks.
- [64:20]
Matt Cassel
The real question is, is the house prepped? Do you have the cribs ready? You've got the little rocker. Everything's ready to roll.
- [64:28]
C
The one thing we're waiting on is a chair. We bought it like a month ago. And they're like, oh, it'll take four weeks to get in. So we're still waiting on that. We were hoping it'd get in before, but I think we'll be okay. Hopefully by this weekend. We get it.
- [64:40]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. Two things. Number one, I was targeted there. You didn't have to go. Matt knows. Brandon knows. And leave me out. You just could have said. You just literally could have said as. As the guys in the room know, like there was no reason to go around the room. And I'm the only person that doesn't get acknowledged there. Yeah, I don't have kids yet, so.
- [64:54]
Matt Cassel
Okay, you're the Funkle. Yeah.
- [64:56]
Bobby Bones
I'm not that fun, though, is the thing. Secondly, it's. It just wasn't nice. Okay. The other thing is, I didn't mean anything by it.
- [65:03]
Matt Cassel
Kevin.
- [65:04]
Bobby Bones
Kevin says to me, this is or three weeks ago. He goes, hey, I know I'm on paternity leave, but I'm be around whatever you need. Like, just give me a call. I'll probably be working and stuff anyway. And I say to him, nope, you are. You are out. Like, I don't even want you thinking about work. And Kevin's like one of my guys. Like, I trust, I need. He is very much. Has. Has superior importance in my organization.
- [65:34]
Matt Cassel
Yes.
- [65:36]
Bobby Bones
And when he leaves for two weeks, yeah, we're a little weaker because of it, but that's also okay. And I told him, one, I don't want you thinking that you're going to be working and you're telling me this and then. Because you're going to get there and be overwhelmed.
- [65:52]
Matt Cassel
Yes, you're going to be overwhelmed. So the most amazing thing, but you're going to be overwhelmed.
- [65:58]
Bobby Bones
So you are. I tell them you are not. Eliminate from your mind completely that work even exists for two weeks. We're going to miss you. I'm going to miss you. But there is no such thing as work for two weeks. I'm not going to call you. I'm not going to need you in any capacity. So stop. Because I understand. Hey, I want to be there. I know I'm gone, but I want to be available. Nope. Your life is about to change. So take this time and we do not exist.
- [66:23]
Matt Cassel
Enjoy it. But at the same time, you're going to have more work on your hands being at home with twins than he ever would being here.
- [66:31]
Bobby Bones
I don't know about that.
- [66:32]
Matt Cassel
It's going to be awesome.
- [66:33]
Bobby Bones
I'm targeted again. I just got targeted again a second time.
- [66:35]
C
It's so hard, though.
- [66:37]
Matt Cassel
It's so hard not being.
- [66:38]
C
I feel like an athlete. You know when you're hurt and you're like, you can't contribute to the team and you're watching from afar on social media, that's how I'm going to feel.
- [66:44]
Bobby Bones
Well, this is the analogy I'll give then. So wnba, they have. Wnba, they have that league where they're doing like three on three. What is that called?
- [66:52]
C
Like three on three.
- [66:53]
Bobby Bones
I think pick up, pick up basketball. No, they have a Second league that you're overplaying in that league for a minute.
- [67:00]
C
Okay.
- [67:00]
Bobby Bones
There is no WNBA.
- [67:01]
Matt Cassel
They had the Olympics in it. Right?
- [67:03]
Bobby Bones
The 3.
- [67:03]
Matt Cassel
3.
- [67:03]
Bobby Bones
I was like, no, no, there's a whole league, guys half court.
- [67:07]
Matt Cassel
No, you're not talking about pickleball, right? No, this is a real league.
- [67:12]
Bobby Bones
Yes. And like Angel Reese played. Caitlin Clark did not play. It's. They had a TV deal. You'll find it big. No, not big Three. That's Ice Cubes league.
- [67:21]
Matt Cassel
Yeah. I was gonna say no girl would play in a league that called them the Big Three.
- [67:25]
Bobby Bones
Unrivaled. Unrivaled. That's it. Thank you. Jeez, Matt, take a minute for you. Give us something happening in your life.
- [67:31]
Matt Cassel
Something happening in my life? Well, my oldest just turned 15 this last weekend and it's crazy because she's about to get her permit and be driving on the road. And I've driven up the driveway with her a few times, I mean just to get her used to it. But to think that a little adult, the. My, my firstborn little girl is now 15 and ready to start driving, it just blows my mind. So it was awesome to celebrate her. She's an incredible kid, but at the same time it's coming to reality. Like she's getting older, becoming more mature and I mean 15. 15 is going to be driving. It's wild. Maybe I can get her a hardship license though, because that would help with.
- [68:13]
Bobby Bones
The kids, have her run errands.
- [68:14]
Matt Cassel
Yeah, sure.
- [68:15]
Bobby Bones
All of a sudden he putting her to work.
- [68:18]
Matt Cassel
Hey, babe, I'm so happy you got that. Now let's push forward. Let's get that license. We've got. I've got you an appointment for next week.
- [68:23]
Bobby Bones
We're going to have to really study cleaning that up.
- [68:26]
Matt Cassel
You know where the grocery store is, right?
- [68:30]
Bobby Bones
Well, it's already been noted. I don't have children. Thank you everybody. So mine will not be child related. I'll do family related though. So my brother in law is the hitting coach at the University of Arkansas and they are in the NCAA tournament. They were. They went in as the overall, the number four team. So if it were basketball, they'd have been a number one seed because they have four number ones.
- [68:51]
Matt Cassel
Right?
- [68:51]
Bobby Bones
But they don't see them like that. They see them 1 through 16 and then the rest are not seated at all. They just, they just rank them in. But they're number four overall and they play regionals this weekend. And with him. So his mom, they get home field.
- [69:05]
Matt Cassel
Right. With being number four.
- [69:07]
Bobby Bones
So they have Four teams, the regional. Four teams come and they play a double elimination tournament. And the one team, only one team comes out of regionals to go play a super regional. So his mom has won eight national championships, four in a row at Oklahoma. She's won four national championships in a row at Oklahoma. Wow. And so his mom is the head coach at Oklahoma. Greatest softball college coach in history. Has a statue of herself that she didn't want to put up yet, but they did anyway outside the stadium as she's still the coach.
- [69:35]
Matt Cassel
That's pretty gangster.
- [69:36]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. And she's not even old. She's not even like 70. Yeah. So she is an absolute legend. Her oldest son coaches with her. But dj, my brother in law early on was like, I want to go. I want to create a different path for myself. So he went to Utah and in his second year at Utah took them to their first ever College World Series, which is the final eight teams in Oklahoma City. Got the job at Arkansas. This is second year here. It's the best they've ever hit. And I'm really hoping for two reasons. One, obviously I'm a massive Arkansas fan and donor, but they have a real shot to do some damage. I would love to see them make the College World Series for DJ and for the Razorbacks.
- [70:13]
Matt Cassel
They were born and bred to coach.
- [70:16]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [70:16]
C
I saw him on SEC network getting interviewed by his mom.
- [70:20]
Bobby Bones
Right. So Oklahoma had played the game before and his mom was up. Patty being interviewed.
- [70:25]
C
Yeah.
- [70:25]
Bobby Bones
And Arkansas was next. So they put a headset on DJ and his DJ was warming up the players. He didn't know his mom was going to interview him. And she also was like, okay. And so they go to the interview and she's like, they're like, patty, Coach Gasso, do you want to ask your son a question? She goes, dj, what'd you have for breakfast this morning? And he goes, nothing. I'm trying to lose weight. She goes, that's a lot.
- [70:45]
Matt Cassel
Yeah, that's amazing.
- [70:47]
Bobby Bones
So I love him. I'm rooting for him for multiple reasons. He's going to be a great head coach one day. And so I can't wait to support whatever that team is financially.
- [71:00]
Matt Cassel
So wherever he goes, they would face off where then?
- [71:03]
Bobby Bones
So they actually played Oklahoma in the semis. And Oklahoma again, four national championships in a row.
- [71:08]
Matt Cassel
They're incredible.
- [71:09]
Bobby Bones
They, they played in the semis of the SEC conference tournament and Oklahoma made a walk off home run to win the game.
- [71:16]
Matt Cassel
It was close.
- [71:16]
Bobby Bones
It was close the whole game.
- [71:17]
C
Wait, did they come back then?
- [71:18]
Bobby Bones
They did.
- [71:19]
C
Oh, they were like.
- [71:21]
Bobby Bones
They were like six, zero, six. No, no, no. Six, zero, six, one. Yeah. They kept hitting solo home runs and they hit a home run in the bottom of the seventh, walk off to win the game. Yeah. Sucked. But also when you're playing the big dog, you also have confidence.
- [71:35]
Matt Cassel
Now you know that you can compete with them without a doubt.
- [71:39]
Bobby Bones
So now you know that breeds through.
- [71:40]
Matt Cassel
The program and you're like, look, we. We one. One of those swings go our way.
- [71:44]
Bobby Bones
It'S a different story because I don't think they knew.
- [71:47]
Matt Cassel
Right.
- [71:47]
Bobby Bones
And I think they let the name on the uniform beat them more than the players. And now I think they've seen the name on that uniform. It bleeds when you poke it.
- [71:57]
Matt Cassel
Oh, yeah. They're not going to be intimidated.
- [71:59]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. So that, that's, that's happening. And I have a pickleball tournament this weekend, so I can't go to, to the, the regional. So hopefully they get out and I'll go to super into the College World Series if they make it.
- [72:12]
Matt Cassel
Where is the College World Series?
- [72:14]
Bobby Bones
Always in Oklahoma City.
- [72:15]
Matt Cassel
Always in Oklahoma.
- [72:16]
Bobby Bones
And it's an awesome complex.
- [72:17]
Matt Cassel
Is it?
- [72:18]
Bobby Bones
And I'm not kidding. And I love college baseball and I follow Arkansas college baseball, but college softball is so much more fun to watch because there's action.
- [72:27]
Matt Cassel
Right.
- [72:28]
Bobby Bones
And they throw 65 to 70, but they're much closer. So if they do the what. It's really what it feels like. It's always like equivalent to 90s, 90s, 100 on the girls over 70, but they also. What's cool about women's college softball. And I never thought I'd be a super fan, but I started with Patty at Oklahoma because we were going to Oklahoma games. But they, like, hit a home run. They freaking jump and cheer and.
- [72:51]
Matt Cassel
Oh, yeah, they're constant ban.
- [72:53]
Bobby Bones
All the time.
- [72:53]
Matt Cassel
Constant banter.
- [72:54]
Bobby Bones
They get on second base. They're like, dance like baseball. They don't. They don't do anything.
- [72:58]
Matt Cassel
No. And the singing and the chants that take place in the dugout throughout, it's. It's awesome.
- [73:02]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. It's fun. So thank you guys for being here. Please don't leave a comment, even if it's. I don't know who that nerdy guy with glasses is. Like, love Matt Castle. Hate the guy with glasses or the.
- [73:12]
Matt Cassel
The fat guy with tight pants on.
- [73:14]
Bobby Bones
No one said facts. Not a single person said, fat Kevin will not be here next week. He'll be gone two weeks. We're rooting for you, buddy.
- [73:23]
Matt Cassel
Be awesome, man.
- [73:25]
Bobby Bones
We will not be calling you or texting you. But if you do need us, call us and text us.
- [73:28]
C
Okay?
- [73:30]
Bobby Bones
That's Matt Castle. I'm Bobby Bones. That's kickoff. Kevin, Brandon, and Ray running the cameras. Thank you guys for being here. We have had lots to say. Bye, everybody.
- [73:37]
Matt Cassel
Peace.
- [73:42]
Bobby Bones
I have sports conspiracies and all I'd like for you and I'll do the same. We will say if we think it is true. Could be true. Or no chance. Okay, it's one of the three. Let's start with this. Michael Jordan's secret suspension for gambling. The theory is Michael Jordan didn't retire to play baseball. Really? NBA commissioner David Stern secretly suspended him for gambling. His sudden retirement came after rumors of gambling problems, and he conveniently returned right after his supposed suspension would have ended. Now, Jordan is a known gambler. It's not even illegal. Like, dude loves to compete in any way possible. And the conspiracy is that he had been caught, but that David Stern didn't want to outwardly suspend him, but needed to suspend him. And that's what he decided to do, was play baseball.
- [74:30]
Matt Cassel
Well, I'm going to go with true to possibly true. Like, I'm right on the I'm.
- [74:36]
Bobby Bones
You're between the two.
- [74:37]
Matt Cassel
I'm either either or. I mean, because definitely a known gambler, still gambles to this day, is a legend in that community. Like golfing, anything you're gambling. We were even at the Kentucky Derby one time. We ran into Jordan at one of the events there. And my offensive lineman, Dan Copen, immediately goes, you want to play high card? Just awful whim. He couldn't have been cooler. He's like, Absolutely. $1,000 a hand. I was like, oh. I was like, I'm out. Go ahead. Enjoy that. So I've seen it firsthand. Like, it's just something that's in his DNA. So I'm hoping it's a possible true with, you know, opposite. But I could see it going easily to be a truthful statement.
- [75:20]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. If we're like, on a scale of 1 to 10, and 1 means not at all, and 10 means for sure, I'm like an 8.
- [75:25]
Matt Cassel
You know, I might be a 9 because of this reason. Who wants to go down to Birmingham, Alabama, and play double A baseball?
- [75:33]
Bobby Bones
The Barons. You gotta go play for the Barons.
- [75:36]
Matt Cassel
And then you gotta be in the bus leagues. Like, my brother played for Birmingham, Alabama. I've been there, and I understand what minor league baseball looks like. You go from the pinnacle of the greatest heights that you could possibly be and a legend in your sport. And be like, no, you know what? I'm going to go sign baseballs for fans and play in the minor leagues.
- [75:56]
Bobby Bones
Right after three championships.
- [75:57]
Matt Cassel
Right after three championships, when you're still in your prime.
- [75:59]
Bobby Bones
Yes. Because he came back and won three more.
- [76:01]
Matt Cassel
Exactly.
- [76:01]
Bobby Bones
That's how in his prime, he was.
- [76:03]
Matt Cassel
So I'm going. You know what? I'm going with the yes on that.
- [76:05]
Bobby Bones
I'd like to say again, we have no idea. We have no inside information on any of these, or I wouldn't bring them up. The Black Sox scandal. Major League Baseball, 1919. 8 Chicago White Sox players intentionally threw the World Series in exchange for money from gamblers. And it's not so much that that happened, but it did happen, didn't it? Yes. Shoeless Joe was supposedly not involved. He played out of his mind, batted over.300, played his face off. He said he was innocent. Other people said he was innocent, but he was still banned. So you think Shoeless Joe was involved?
- [76:39]
Matt Cassel
No, not if you bat.300 during the World Series and you ball out of your mind. Unless they were like, hey, look, we're gonna blow this game, put money on the other team, but you go and do your thing because it'll make us look less guilty.
- [76:53]
Bobby Bones
But now you're next leveling it. Now you're frozen, enveloping it.
- [76:56]
Matt Cassel
Thank you very much. Well, this is all conspiracy theory anyway. So if you go out there and ball out of your mind and don't show any weaknesses in your game or uncharacteristic play. I believe him.
- [77:09]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, I believe him, too.
- [77:11]
Matt Cassel
Anything more?
- [77:12]
Bobby Bones
Well, I'm just looking at his stats.
- [77:15]
Matt Cassel
Here, because this is his stats for the World Series.
- [77:18]
Bobby Bones
Yes.375 batting average, 12 hits, which was a World Series record at the time. No errors in the field. Hit the only home run of the entire Series. He claimed he never took money. He later said gamblers offered him $5,000, which now is probably like $100,000.
- [77:36]
Matt Cassel
Right.
- [77:37]
Bobby Bones
He was illiterate. Some believe he didn't fully understand what was happening when he, quote, confessed. Like, they coerced him into a confession, and the jury found him not guilty, but MLB still banned him.
- [77:47]
Matt Cassel
That's messed up.
- [77:48]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, that's messed up. Especially if you couldn't read.
- [77:50]
Matt Cassel
Especially if you couldn't.
- [77:51]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [77:51]
Matt Cassel
And then you got a lawyer sitting there using really big words, and you're.
- [77:54]
Bobby Bones
Like, that's when I bought a house. That's what I play, baseball. I didn't know what was happening. I bought a house. I just signed papers.
- [77:59]
Matt Cassel
Yeah, exactly. When they Put all the, all, all of it in writing. You're sitting there going, I don't understand any of those words.
- [78:05]
Bobby Bones
And at some point you just go, just. I'll just sign whatever.
- [78:07]
Matt Cassel
Yeah. Am I, am I liable for anything? Is it actually my house?
- [78:10]
Bobby Bones
The 2002 NBA Western Conference Finals were rigged. Now that's the. The theory is the NBA manipulated Game 6, help the Lakers beat the Kings and advance to the Finals. The evidence is The Lakers shot 27 free throws in the fourth quarter alone. And former ref Tim Donny later claimed the game was fixed. I don't think he was the one running the game though. But he's the one that got in trouble. You may see if he was actually on that game. I don't think he was. But yeah, this was crazy because they came back and won game seven. I've watched documentary ish type stuff on this, man.
- [78:44]
Matt Cassel
What's your thought on that?
- [78:44]
Bobby Bones
I think it.
- [78:45]
Matt Cassel
For sure.
- [78:46]
Bobby Bones
I would go at nine, I think. I don't know how. It wasn't.
- [78:49]
Matt Cassel
No way. I was. I was a Lakers fan, dude.
- [78:51]
Bobby Bones
Lakers don't cheat like Sacramento. The fact that Sacramento, they were going to go into the Tim Duncan to the finals over the Laker. No, Vlad A. Divach.
- [79:02]
Matt Cassel
Oh, Vladi. Yeah. I mean, but at the same time, wasn't that the hack a shack type year where he had. Every time that they got down, teams would just hack Shaq so he'd have to shoot free throws because he was not.
- [79:17]
Bobby Bones
This was different, though. This was different. Yeah, this was different.
- [79:20]
Matt Cassel
We're gonna have to go back and watch the game because, I mean, it was a long time ago. Let's be honest.
- [79:24]
Bobby Bones
The. I've never heard of this one. This one's just funny. It was 2012, so it wasn't like 1910.
- [79:29]
Matt Cassel
Right.
- [79:29]
Bobby Bones
So 2012, the Olympic badminton match fixing scandal. Several teams intentionally lost matches in group play to get easier matchups in later rounds. The team's battle barely tried serving into the net on purpose and refusing to hit rallies. They were eventually disqualified for unsportsmanlike conduct. That feels like that was. It's just all right there.
- [79:49]
Matt Cassel
Yeah, it's pretty self explanatory right there. Because have you seen those players play badminton in the Olympics? They're incredible.
- [79:55]
Bobby Bones
It's his darts.
- [79:56]
Matt Cassel
It's like you playing pickleball.
- [79:57]
Bobby Bones
No.
- [79:58]
Matt Cassel
Oh, don't you lie to me. Don't you lie to me. But they, they don't miss. Right. It's exceptional play. So if they're hitting the ball in the net and making not even forcing rallies. Yes, I would agree with that statement. Well, they got kicked out too, right?
- [80:11]
Bobby Bones
They did, yeah. Yeah. We got lots to say. Lots to say With Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You're listening to an iHeart podcast.