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Bobby Bones
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Bobby Bones
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast. We got lots to say. We got lots to say? We're glad you're here and we hope you stay. Cause we got lots to say. Yeah, we got lots of to say. Now here's Bobby and Matt. Hey, everybody, welcome this Matt Castle. I'm Bobby Bones. We're going to talk to Pac Man Jones. Just a second. And I'd never met Pac Man Jones before, and so we had him in, I don't know, I loved him being around.
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Matt Castle
I could hang out with that guy every day. Maybe not every day.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, I can hang out with him a little bit every quarter.
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Matt Castle
Yeah, let's reevaluate that statement.
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Bobby Bones
He was awesome, though, as a guest. And I will say full disclosure, we tried to put this episode up last week, and it was met with, we can't put the whole episode up last week.
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Matt Castle
No chance. You can put the whole episode up.
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Bobby Bones
So you're gonna hear a really good interview, but just know there were a couple parts of it where he really gave all Pac man did, and we had to pull it. That's how good the interview was. Maybe, who knows, maybe someday, somewhere, sometime in a different world, you get to hear the rest of it. But we really love this with Pac Man Jones, so we're going to start with that. And here he is, the great. I think of him as a Bengal cowboy. Bengal cowboy Titan. Oh, the wrestling blew my mind. That's it. We got to keep that in. That was incredible, man. All right, here he is, Pac Man Jones. All right, we have the great Adam Pacman Jones. And you have kids.
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Adam Pacman Jones
Yep, a lot of them.
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Bobby Bones
Oh, you do have a lot of kids. I have a few of my own.
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Adam Pacman Jones
I only got three. But all the kids I take care of is probably about 10, 15 of them together.
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Matt Castle
10, 15 kids that I take care of.
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Bobby Bones
There's a big gap, though, between 10 and 15.
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Matt Castle
Yeah, dude. You might see 1, 2, 3.
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Adam Pacman Jones
And summertime is 15. School time, it might be only 10.
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Bobby Bones
Where mostly do you stay?
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Adam Pacman Jones
Cincinnati. Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
So you stayed.
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Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah, I stayed in Cincinnati, which was. It wasn't even a hard decision for us. It's a great place to raise the kids. Not too crazy expensive. Schools are pretty good, you know, And I have a really good connection with the fan base of Cincinnati. So it didn't make sense for me to uproot and go back home to Atlanta or Miami or wherever I decided to go. So, yeah, we got A house. Main house is in Cincinnati. We got a house in Atlanta and Miami.
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Bobby Bones
I asked them about kids. I was a few minutes late. We had a baby.
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Adam Pacman Jones
How's that?
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Bobby Bones
I didn't know. I didn't know babies took time.
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Matt Castle
You said they're just being five.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah. First.
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Adam Pacman Jones
Oh, my God.
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Bobby Bones
Just turned three months.
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Adam Pacman Jones
Oh, you ain't even seen the bad part yet. Wait about.
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Bobby Bones
But don't say that.
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Adam Pacman Jones
It'd be like, five, six months. It get better at one and a half. Like, one and a half, two. They get a whole lot better.
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Matt Castle
It gets better, and then they go through that second phase when they become teenagers, where they then start to realize you don't have all the answers. And they challenge you, and you're like, wait, what? What is going on? Especially for females.
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Bobby Bones
Well, I'm not getting challenged now, except for, like, time when I saw there's no sleep, I saw Adam. I was like, dude, I'm sorry. I'm, like, a few minutes late. He's like, nah, I get it. I get it, I get it, I get it. So, yeah, I appreciate you coming in. This is super cool for us.
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Matt Castle
Yeah.
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Adam Pacman Jones
And good thing about it, like, my kids. Well, my youngest two was born early. Like, my daughter was born at 22 weeks. So at least you didn't have to go through that. Going to the hospital, sleeping in the hospital for a month and a half, two months.
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Bobby Bones
Oh, like the icu or like the. No, what is it called? The nicu. The nicu.
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Adam Pacman Jones
Nicu. But it was ICU for. For our daughter and son because they were so much of a premie. And that was nerve. That's one of the things that I would say when you can't control stuff, especially when it comes to the kids, because mentally, I'm thinking they didn't ask for this. You know what I mean? And my wife was literally living at the house pillow for two months. I'm like, bro, you gonna drive yourself crazy if you keep going there. And you gotta realize there's a lot of kids that's in the ICU that don't make it. Like, out of the 15 beds that when we went through what we went through, I would say 10 of them made it. So it's kind of nerve wracking to see the doctor coming in talking regular, and then you see him talking regular to everybody else and seeing what everybody else going through. So, like, that was a nerve wracking point above us having our kids.
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Matt Castle
Kevin Byard had something similar to that a few weeks ago when we talked to him. And it is scary. But speaking of kids, what were you like as a kid before. Or football and all that growing up in Atlanta?
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Adam Pacman Jones
It was never without football, though. Cause I grew up in the projects. And the longest I can remember after my dad passed away, it was a ball, a basketball, a baseball or football. That was all we had, nothing else in the project. So you either gonna go and play basketball against the older kids, football or baseball, or you basically gonna be in the house doing nothing at that point of time. You know, we have all the PlayStation, the online games and all that. Yeah, we did have Sega, Super Nintendo. I wasn't a game guy, though. So I was the one outside playing 90% of the time till the street light come on, Then I had to get my on.
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Bobby Bones
I grew up in a trailer park, which is very similar to the projects where everybody's just outside.
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Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah, it is.
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Bobby Bones
Like, sometimes you had air conditioners, sometimes you did. There was no central heat, but everybody was just outside. And you kind of had to either depend on the folks right near you or. Because in a trailer park, same as what some of my friends who grew up in the projects where we lived, you're on top of each other because they're cramming as many people into that short space as you possibly can. So there's like, good people, bad people, old people, young, and you all. But I've never experienced more community than either in the trailer park or in a dorm. Like, those are the two places. So growing up for you, I'm assuming you're very close to a lot of those people you were living with, right?
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Adam Pacman Jones
Of course. Of course. Like, I was the only child, so when my dad got killed, I moved with my grandma. But, like, and I hope I'm saying this in the right, it's like a safe haven with that community. You know, everybody know everybody. Everybody's trying to, you know, for the most part, help each other out.
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Bobby Bones
It's a village, for the most part,
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Adam Pacman Jones
where we grew up at. Like, we ain't allow nobody to come into the projects. Like, it was a real, like. What's the word? Cult. I shall say I didn't get to do a lot of things that my peers got to do because I was held to a high standard. And my grandma and granddad was like, the people in the projects. Like, were you up there at that corner? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're allowed to gamble, but you ain't allowed to be up here at this corner. You know what I mean? So I grew up in Bankhead and Boat Rock. And I think that circle of the older guys was real strict on guys like me that had a lot of talent. And I was the last one. Like, I seen so many guys in my project that didn't make it because of whatever the reason was, you know what I mean? Like, I shoot out one rip. Tyson had a full ride to Georgia. He could have went anywhere, but he was like the biggest. Him and Dave Jacobs was the biggest two out of Boat Rock. And two days before signing, the day they kicked in his apartment, found two bricks of cocaine. He end up not going to Georgia. And like after that, all the older guys helped me to understand, like, nah, bro, you gonna be the one that make it outta here. You gonna be the one that be able to talk about what we done seen and what we went through as far as growing up. So I'm very content of the older guys that grew up with me or grew up around me in Boat Rock that like helped me to a high standard as far as me. Cause I was full of. And I will admit that, but they kept me from being all the way. I shall say.
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Matt Castle
Do you feel like that type of environment bred you to be as competitive, competitive as you were as a player?
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Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah, most definitely, bro. I would compete in anything. Spitting pitch. Everything was gamblers back then. You know, you only gamble it for 2, $3. But 2, $3 went a long way back then. Oh yeah, I beat you one on one. $2. All right, let's go. Yeah, I beat you in racing. $2. Let's go. You know what I mean? Like $2 back then you can damn near get a whole meal now. $2 don't get you nothing but a
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Bobby Bones
lighter whenever you're a kid. When did it start to separate that you were a little faster, a little stronger than other kids your age?
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Adam Pacman Jones
I would say like my eighth eight year old, nine year old. I had 34 touchdowns in 10 games. And I made AJC player of the player of the year for like youth sports. And I was in the paper. I still got the paper right now. That changed my life.
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Bobby Bones
Did you play all positions?
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Adam Pacman Jones
All positions.
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Bobby Bones
Just get you the ball.
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Matt Castle
Just give him the ball.
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Adam Pacman Jones
Give me the ball. And I play. I actually played linebacker growing up, like. Cause I was very physical too, on the defensive side of the ball. I didn't play, I mean, corner till I went to college. Like, I was known for running back, linebacker and safety. And like growing up in Red League.
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Matt Castle
How about in terms of high school? What positions did you play in high school? And that area down in Atlanta, Right. They breed athletes. And how competitive was it because you went to Westlake High, right?
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Adam Pacman Jones
Well, if you know the history of Westlake High School, I think we got the most players ever in Georgia history to make it out of one school like we came from. Like when I went there, I would say we probably had like Keith Adams, we had my boy who played punt return for the Ravens who scored the touchdowns, but we had like six guys that had made it. But our class, like my freshman class and the class before me, between us two, I think we had 10 that make the league.
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Matt Castle
Wow.
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Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah. We signed 19 D1 scholarships because you
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Bobby Bones
saw people doing it. Because I believe representation is everything. Like poor, rich, black, white, like you need to see somebody doing it so you can believe you can do it because you saw people doing it. Was that a possibility then in real life to you while you were in high school?
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Adam Pacman Jones
Well, the possibility was like I played with this kid, always throw his name up. That was rich as hell. I won't even say his name. But his uncle was Mr. Best Buy. So I had a chance. Like I played with him. Aau. His dad paid for all uniforms. We was the number one team in the nation, won national championship. I mean my 11 year, 1212 year old, we lost to the gotchos. But like I had a guy that played with me who dad was wealthy. I'm talking about wealthy wealthy, like ten car garage, Buckhead. That was my first time seeing anything besides the projects. As far as me personally going into the house, I'm like, this is what I want. This is exactly what I want. And mentally, I just kept that picture in the back of my head, like, this is possible if I do it this way. And, like, at the time, you know, everybody. I want to be a rapper. I want to be. I want to be a drug. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I want to go play ball. Because this is. This house is damn near bigger than the whole projects. So mentally, that's how I kept it in the back of my mind as far as work ethic and to get out of the space that I was in.
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Matt Castle
How did it change you as a person off the field? Because obviously, there's a lot of probably distractions and stuff going on in terms of growing up the way that you did, but seeing that and realizing that was that motivation for you. And how did that change you off the field?
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Adam Pacman Jones
It took time off the field because me growing up in this city, I never had a father figure. You know what I mean? So I've always been the man of my household. I've been paying my mom and grandma bill since I was 15, 16 years old. I was getting paid for football since I was 14, 15.
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Matt Castle
Okay. That's how Westlake does it.
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Adam Pacman Jones
You know what I'm saying? Not only Westlake. Not only Westlake, but I had a great dude that believed a lot in me named Jim Brown. And Jim Brown took really good care of me and my family and basically rewarded me, I shall say, for just doing it the way that he wanted me to do it. And that kind of helped me, too, as far as growing up in high school and getting through high school to college. But, yeah, so I had some incentives to make me really want to do what's right.
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Bobby Bones
What position were you recruited as?
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Adam Pacman Jones
Running back.
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Bobby Bones
So when you decided to go to West Virginia, was it as a running back?
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Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah. I didn't take no visits if I wasn't gonna play running back.
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Bobby Bones
So in your mind, next level, you're gonna play running back?
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Adam Pacman Jones
I was gonna play running back.
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Bobby Bones
So you get there, and how long till you didn't play running back?
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Adam Pacman Jones
So I got there, and I got a little package. Before I went there, of course, you know, before nil. Deal. I won't talk about all that. That was mostly the main decision. I was committed to Georgia Tech, but my boy Kieran Fox, who was a year ahead of me, he went to Georgia Tech. He's like, pack, you gotta do all your schoolwork. I'm like, oh, I'm not going to school, bro. To go do schoolwork, bro. I'm going to school to go three and out. Like, I would yell it in the weight room in West Virginia, like, first day. Three and out. Just got through doing squats. Three and out. What's wrong with this fool? Three and out. And I don't think they really understand mentally how I was building in my mind. But every time I go back and see some of my guys that I play with or the coaches, they always say, you said three and out. Yeah, three and out. I'm outta here. You know what I mean? Never. I dare to. And this. I don't mean to say this in the wrong way, but it was never my idea to go to school and graduate. That was never.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, you're three now. It sounds like
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Adam Pacman Jones
I did not accomplish what I need to accomplish. You know what I mean? I'm gonna make the most splash that I can, and I need to be out of here. And, like, mentally, I trained like that. I studied like that. And, yeah, it worked out pretty.
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Bobby Bones
For what way did you shift a running back?
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Adam Pacman Jones
So we had Avon Coburn. He was Big east player of the year the year before that. And Coach Rob was like, look, man, I know I told you I was gonna bring you here. You want him on red shirt, but I can't. You Gonna only get 5, 6 carries if you wanna go play running back. He's like, but we really like you on the defensive side. I'm like, bro, you ain't never seen me play nothing but linebacker. What you get? He's like, well, but your movements at running back can translate to you being a db. I'm like, oh, my God, they tricked me. But at that time, you know, 60 grand go a lot of way. A long way. As long as I get to do punt return, kick return, I'll go over and try.
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Matt Castle
Yeah.
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Adam Pacman Jones
So I actually. I wowed myself, really. And didn't realize how easy the footwork was from being running back to corner and me playing basketball. Everything is all right. I'm cutting you off. I'm backpedaling. I'm cutting this way. And it clicked, like, I would say, the second week of my freshman year. I was like, yeah, I'm betting all them. And we had guys like Lance. Lance. What's Lance? Last name Stevenson. I can't remember his last name. But he ended up playing, like, eight years in the league. He was in front of me. Everybody else, I pretty much, like, outplayed. I ended up getting into some. The end of the. My freshman year at the camp. That's the reason why I was starting the first game. And I beat up a guy who. Dad was the head of the state. The state patrol. He came to Rod and was like, yo, you gotta suspend him for at least two games. And Rod was like, for what? So I had to go in and tell Rod what the situation was. And he was like, no, I'm not suspending him. So they didn't suspend me. I ended up playing the first game. After the game. The whole national task force for police officers was at the stadium. Like, hey, buddy. Yeah, you, Adam, come on. So.
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Matt Castle
Oh, that's.
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Adam Pacman Jones
I end up after the game, after the game. So I end up getting locked up because I had beat up a guy
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Bobby Bones
pretty bad after the game. They put you in after the game?
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Adam Pacman Jones
Because my coach didn't suspend me. Like, his dad went to him like, yo, suspend him two games? Yeah. And Rod was like, no, no, no, no. Like, we're. We. I cannot suspend him. And I got all these kids coming from Atlanta and saying that this is okay for what your son did. So I ended up missing, like, most of my freshman year. I came back at, like, the end of the year and played. But, yeah, that was a crazy situation. But, like, yeah, I knew immediately, like, I was one of the best players in Georgia as far as defense and offense. And it just translated like me mirroring a guy was almost like me playing defense. So it worked out, bro.
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Bobby Bones
Basketball, defense. You made basketball.
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Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah.
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Matt Castle
Now, did you ever play nickel as well or just always outside?
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Adam Pacman Jones
Never played nickel.
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Matt Castle
And what type of scheme did you guys run when you were there?
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Adam Pacman Jones
We ran everything. We ran our base was a cover three, but we would play everything. We play cover three. One, two palms, switch it up with some six, eight. But base coverage was cover three and a half.
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Bobby Bones
So sophomore year, after you've been told you play running back, then you play in the secondary. You have to miss a lot of your freshman year. Are you thinking, okay, I want to get back and play running back again? Or did you just go, oh, this. I'm gonna play defensive back?
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Adam Pacman Jones
Oh, no. It was never a thought of me going back to full time running back. Now, I did have, like 12 plays in each game package. Like, I played some offense in college also, but mentally, no. Cause I could control everything over here at the cornerback position. And mentally I was like, all right, do I really want to go back over there and play running back when I'm. I can control this over here on this side.
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Bobby Bones
So you're still playing punt return, too? Yeah, you're right. You can't control everything playing defensive back as a Running back, everything is controlled for you, and then you got to hope it's the best scenario, best case for you.
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Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah, it is. And like, some running backs, you know. Well, I shouldn't say that at running back, you gonna have your plays where you get off, where you might not need nobody, but nine times out of ten, yeah, you gonna need them guys up front.
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Matt Castle
Yeah, no doubt. They all work in unison.
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Podcast Announcer
Yeah.
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Matt Castle
So you get to the third year, we're three and out.
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Adam Pacman Jones
Three and out.
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Matt Castle
And so it's time to go to combine.
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Adam Pacman Jones
Time to go.
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Matt Castle
Now, did you think that any of the stuff that you had in college, in terms of. Of, you know, being arrested after a game, anything like that was going to impact you? I'm guessing that you were asked about it by a bunch of the organizations when they did the interview process.
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Adam Pacman Jones
I was asked about one incident, which was the fight.
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Matt Castle
That's it.
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Bobby Bones
Your freshman year.
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Matt Castle
That's the only thing I had at that time. Yeah.
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Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah. But it wasn't even a question. Like, so you got to fight, huh? I was like, yeah, what happened? Boom. I told him, oh, okay. All right.
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Matt Castle
And you go out and you ran on what, 4, 4, 2, 8. 4, 2, 8. That's blazing.
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Bobby Bones
After the combine, where'd you think you'd go? Like, who was telling you?
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Adam Pacman Jones
I thought I would go to Miami. I thought I would be second off the board. But Fisher came to see me in Atlanta. It was like him and Swartz, five days before the draft. Yeah, five days before the draft. And was like, look, we just want to see you and talk to you and work out. Just a quick little workout, nothing hard. I'm like, all right, cool. They flew a private plane to Atlanta, worked me out at Westlake High School. And when he was leaving, they was like, well, I'm just gonna tell you this. I can promise you that you won't go past sick if the clock get at four and you're not pull, I'll be calling you, let you know we already gonna pick you. I'm like, all right, whatever. I already heard this. He called me at, like, they was calling the fourth pick. He called me right before they called five. It was like, look, the pick for five is already in. We're picking you. And I was like, yes. Thank God.
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Matt Castle
That's unbelievable. When you got here to Nashville, being in such close proximity to Atlanta, was that something that you were pretty excited about?
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Adam Pacman Jones
No, it wasn't.
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Matt Castle
Me up.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah.
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Adam Pacman Jones
I wish I would have been way farther.
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Matt Castle
Is it cause of the people?
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Adam Pacman Jones
Just cause the commute you know, it was three hours away. I was home every day, damn near. I was damn near living in Atlanta, but living in Nashville. If I could re. If I had a choice, I would have went way far as I can go from Atlanta.
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Bobby Bones
When you get to the league, are they telling you again that you're going to return punts, you're going to return. Well, like what, Ken? What was the strategy when you came in your rookie year?
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Adam Pacman Jones
I was going to do everything I did in college.
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Bobby Bones
Did you believe them? I think I would be a little
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Adam Pacman Jones
burnt if I knew Fisher was one of the best, if not the best coach I've ever played for. Speaking of Fisher, but Fisher, Fisher is the best player coach that ever lived.
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Bobby Bones
Why?
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Adam Pacman Jones
Just because he know how. First of all, he know how to get you to go. Second of all, you know how they say everybody's treated, everybody's equally unheard of, unheard of. That is not true. Ain't nowhere in America where you treat your starting quarterback like a guy that's doing special teams. And I hate to say it, but, you know.
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Matt Castle
Yep. You know, there's a chain of command, that's for sure. In a hierarchy.
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Adam Pacman Jones
You at the highs of the highs.
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Bobby Bones
Was there a speed of the game difference to you that was dramatic from your junior year at West Virginia to your rookie year?
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Adam Pacman Jones
Hell yeah, it was the game. The NFL speed is 10 times faster than college.
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Bobby Bones
Were you surprised by it?
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Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah, I was at the beginning. Like college, you can take a day off or play off in the league. You take a playoff, you might get your knocked out because people are playing for jobs. Like, it's a big difference. Speed is different, the physicalness is different. Like you look at a kid that's 18 and look at them when they 25. It should tell you the difference.
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Bobby Bones
When you're covering a receiver though, because you get in the league and now you have to cover your first receivers. Are you like, oh my. At first they're just so much faster, stronger, quicker?
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Adam Pacman Jones
No, no, no, no. I ain't gonna say receivers are faster, stronger and quicker, but I'm saying the total of the linebacker, the D line, all of that, as far as me guarding the receiver, that's pretty much normal to a certain extent, depending on who you're playing against. Of course, it's some of them that's bigger and stronger. The tos, the Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, like that's a big difference. But as far as me, I'm still playing against the guys that was a first round pick like Andre Johnson. I planned Them the year before that. But as far as the grown man script like me going tackling, what's my boy from the Dolphins?
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Bobby Bones
Ronnie Brown?
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Adam Pacman Jones
No. Who smoked the weed? Ricky Williams. Ricky, that was different.
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Matt Castle
What were some of the wide receivers that you say gave you the biggest problems when you're out there on the field?
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Adam Pacman Jones
Randy Moss would be one. TL gave me a good run. AB was one of the best guys I enjoyed covering.
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Matt Castle
Larry Fitzgerald, would you say size was the differentiator right there? Because all those guys were big. Obviously you're five, ten.
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Adam Pacman Jones
Actually. I liked to play against the bigger guys because I was way quicker than them. But for the most part with the big guys, it's just the D balls like me going up and trying to never try to catch the ball against Calvin Johnson. I'm just trying to grab his arms, you know what I mean? There's nothing I can do. Six, seven. He wasn't. What am I going to do about it?
- [25:31]
Matt Castle
Big old joker was it.
- [25:33]
Adam Pacman Jones
What am I gonna do? And then you got some of them. That's big. That's soft though. But Calvin, Tio, Randy, they was freaks.
- [25:42]
Bobby Bones
Any route runners that you think about, man, they ran such great routes. It gave you a hard time.
- [25:47]
Adam Pacman Jones
Ab AB was one of the best route runners. Kenan Allen don't get enough credit. I had a chance to play with AJ Green my last eight years and he was one of the best that I ever seen. Error. As far as rock running.
- [26:00]
Matt Castle
Yeah, he was absolutely dog.
- [26:02]
Adam Pacman Jones
He was an absolute dog. I mean, dog. My whole nine years there, he might have missed, I would say, nine balls in practice. In practice, like he was. He don't get enough credit. But he was definitely out of who I played against. He was definitely top five, six.
- [26:23]
Matt Castle
Yeah. So you go Tennessee, you get suspended for a year. Yeah. And that had to be tough. Obviously it's a setback. You've had a lot of success up to this point early in your career. Yeah.
- [26:33]
Adam Pacman Jones
You're out balling just now. I should have been first, first team Pro Bowl. I had four touchdowns, three touchdowns. So it was. Yeah, that. That year was hard.
- [26:44]
Matt Castle
And you're removed from everything at that point. You can't be at the facility, you can't do anything. And when you go back and reflect on that, like mentally, how did that change you that. That being away from the game?
- [26:58]
Adam Pacman Jones
Well, thank God that I had a lady named Dixie who owned TNA Wrestling here. She's actually live here in Tennessee and she was a big fan of mine and she was like, look, I got Something for you to do. Like what? She's like, you gonna do TNA wrestling? I'm like, huh? Well, this is a dream come true. Sting, the Steiner brothers. Like, I'm really gonna get in there with them. And mentally I kind of like, I ain't gonna say I forgot about football, but I did. Like, I was trying to, like, all right, let me mentally put myself over here in this other category and enjoy this while I can until I get back to that.
- [27:39]
Matt Castle
So you wrestled that entire year you were out.
- [27:42]
Bobby Bones
Do you wrestle Sting?
- [27:43]
Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah, I beat Sting. That's why I was tag team champions.
- [27:48]
Bobby Bones
You serious?
- [27:49]
Adam Pacman Jones
I'm absolutely serious.
- [27:50]
Bobby Bones
He's my favorite wrestler of all time.
- [27:52]
Adam Pacman Jones
For real?
- [27:52]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [27:53]
Adam Pacman Jones
Cool dude, bro.
- [27:53]
Bobby Bones
He is. Do you call him Steve or Sting?
- [27:55]
Adam Pacman Jones
Sting.
- [27:56]
Bobby Bones
You did call him Sting?
- [27:57]
Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah.
- [27:57]
Bobby Bones
Even in the mix.
- [27:58]
Adam Pacman Jones
Sting.
- [27:59]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [28:00]
Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah.
- [28:00]
Matt Castle
I got a new favorite wrestler.
- [28:02]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're top five now. So physically did you go and do before you wrestled? You go and like, do it, Learn how to fall?
- [28:11]
Adam Pacman Jones
I had a whole ring in my house out in Franklin. Like, when I was here, I stayed next door to George Jones. I had like 80 acres out in Franklin. I had a big ring right in front of the house that I would. It had lights set up, the whole shabam and I would practice at the house. They would fly. Damn. I forget the dude name who trained me, but he big in WWE right now. But he was at 10a and like he was here training me.
- [28:39]
Matt Castle
And how many matches did you actually participate in?
- [28:43]
Adam Pacman Jones
Probably about 10.
- [28:44]
Bobby Bones
No way.
- [28:46]
Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah.
- [28:46]
Matt Castle
I thought this was like a one
- [28:47]
Bobby Bones
time deal, but yeah, like, Dennis Robin showed up for two and got it.
- [28:51]
Adam Pacman Jones
I was there for a good little while. It was. It was mind blowing, but it was one of my top ps of my life. I will say that.
- [29:01]
Bobby Bones
Like. Like, you have to count on them to take care of you.
- [29:03]
Adam Pacman Jones
Yes.
- [29:03]
Bobby Bones
Because you're giving your body up and it looks like they're slamming you, but they also have to take care of you. Right. Like, there's a lot of that.
- [29:09]
Adam Pacman Jones
And there's some guys that get mad if they don't get hit when chairs. Right. They fine your.
- [29:14]
Matt Castle
Although you'll get fined for hitting somebody inappropriately or wrong with the chair.
- [29:18]
Adam Pacman Jones
Yes. Down. Yes. You got to hit him with the butt. The this part, not the top part.
- [29:26]
Matt Castle
What was the most epic match that you had?
- [29:30]
Adam Pacman Jones
I would say Sting and Kirk. Kirk angle.
- [29:35]
Bobby Bones
Who is your partner? Ground Truth Troop's your partner.
- [29:39]
Matt Castle
Yes. Look, he loves. Bobby's blown away right now.
- [29:46]
Bobby Bones
That's crazy. I had no idea who were last wrestling question. Like, name three really good guys that you got to work with that as people were like, A plus dudes.
- [29:54]
Adam Pacman Jones
Sting, Run Truth and Big Papa.
- [29:58]
Bobby Bones
Wow.
- [29:59]
Adam Pacman Jones
Big Papa was unbelievable guy for bro. One of the most genuine guys I ever met.
- [30:05]
Bobby Bones
All right, I'm done. I do wrestling for an hour. But no, you.
- [30:09]
Matt Castle
No, but you did this wrestling, and that was. Kind of gave you the sense of community and all that. But then you come back and you get traded to Dallas. Correct. And you're there with Wade.
- [30:16]
Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah.
- [30:17]
Matt Castle
Yeah. So talk about that transition, going from Tennessee and understanding you're going to Dallas. But now this is something that I got to get my together.
- [30:25]
Adam Pacman Jones
Well, the crazy part about it, Dixie is the one who called Jerry for me. So Dixie is some Ken to Jerry Jones some kind of way. I forget the way it is. And she asked me one day. She's like, who you want to go play for? I looked at her like, why are you asking me this? She's like, if you had one choice, who would it be? Me. Growing up, I'm a Cowboys fan. First thing I said, cowboys. And the week before the championship match, she said, I got somebody I want you to talk to. I'm like, who? So I hear, just take the phone. I was like, hello. So, hey, this is Jerry Jones. You kidding me? Hey, how you doing? It's like, I heard you want to play with the Cowboys. I was like, it would be a dream come true. After that championship match, he flew down to the championship match, and I actually flew back with Jerry to Dallas to talk about the plan of me getting back reinstated.
- [31:27]
Matt Castle
That's wild. But Jerry's genuine, too, right? You get this impression of him because I played for Dallas in 2015, that it's all about, you know, the showmanship and this, that and the other. But when you get to genuinely know him, he loves his players and would do anything for him, man.
- [31:43]
Adam Pacman Jones
I stayed in Jerry house.
- [31:45]
Matt Castle
Come on.
- [31:46]
Adam Pacman Jones
Gold toilets.
- [31:47]
Matt Castle
I wish he would have let me.
- [31:48]
Bobby Bones
Gold toilets. You said gold toilets.
- [31:50]
Adam Pacman Jones
He's like, I. I was kind of spoiled. You know what I'm saying? You never seen the coin toss picture in his house? $25 million picture of somebody just doing this, like, actually, like. So I stayed with Jerry, like, the first week I got there at his house, and then I moved to the farm out in Prosper, which was his house. He was unbelievable to me. But I was so young. I still didn't understand, like, all right, you gotta kind of, like, tuck it back. And then you gotta realize Dallas is Way more eyes than anybody else. Like, way more eyes. But yeah, Jerry. Like, I still talk to Jerry today. He's done a lot for me and my family. Actually part of a business that I created. Jerry is the man, bro. Like, I can't speak for everybody else, but the relationship I have with him and Ms. Jean has been unbelievable for me and my family.
- [33:04]
Bobby Bones
I think of you as a Bengal. Like, you're just Bengal to me. Yeah, you think you as a Bengal?
- [33:09]
Adam Pacman Jones
Like, yeah, of course.
- [33:10]
Bobby Bones
What about that organization, though, made you want to stay and play?
- [33:15]
Adam Pacman Jones
Um, well, Mr. Brown was the catch for me. Like, he's always been over and beyond nice to me and my family, and we had a relationship. It wasn't just like, you know how it is. Some places you go, you don't even meet the owner. You don't even have a conversation with the owner. Like, Mr. Brown was over and beyond. And I think a lot that has to do with, you know, he had Jim Brown. His dad had Jim Brown. Mr. Brown was basically Jim Brown guy who run them everywhere. So I think I might have reminded him a little bit of Jim. And he took a liking to me. Like, I've seen Mr. Brown not talk to nobody. Like, he never. Not if I see Mr. Brown. Hey, Adam, what are you doing? How's the miracle? Cause he called Tren the miracle baby. Cause my daughter was in the NICU for a long time, and our relationship is bigger than football. I've really never had a bad relationship with nowhere. I played with, like, no coaches, no owners. It's the. That I did after I left there. Now when I was there, I was the best person ever. Like, I know the janitors. I know everybody. I know the person that's cooking the food. I was overly respectful because I was like, it was a privilege. Now when I left there, it was on Adam Jones Pac man time. Not Adam Jones time, but it was Adam Jones time when I was at the stadium.
- [34:53]
Matt Castle
How about Marvin Lewis? What kind of impact did he have on you?
- [34:58]
Adam Pacman Jones
Marvin. Marvin, is that dad? You know what they say. I'm not your friend, I'm your dad. Is that a good statement? But, yeah, Marvin was over and beyond good to us as far as everything, really. Like, hard. Certain situations. I like hard, though. So hard to you might not be hard to me. Like, I don't mind getting cussed out if I ain't doing my job. Cause I'm gonna cuss somebody out if they are not doing their job. So I prefer to be coached with a little grit. So I enjoyed it. Marva. Big on family, but one of the best human beings that you ever meet. Ever.
- [35:46]
Matt Castle
You talk about getting cussed out. I'm guessing Coach Zimmer was one of those guys that fulfilled that prophecy for you.
- [35:53]
Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah, I cussed his out, too. I bet.
- [35:55]
Matt Castle
I bet. Been around a lot of coaches, and that's.
- [35:59]
Podcast Announcer
Yeah.
- [36:00]
Bobby Bones
What was he.
- [36:00]
Adam Pacman Jones
I just called zero. Why in the is you backfill, man? Who the is you talking to? I never forget this. We was playing Houston. You remember this babe? Dre, Double movement. I had seen this route every day of the week. Cut, split, three by one motion back to the single receiver side, and he got me with it. And we running off at halftime. I'm kind of hot. Cause I seen the route. You get what I'm saying? So I wait till we get in there. Halftime. I said, man, I don't know who the you talking to, but this your last day. And we had it out. Zim didn't talk to me for a whole six months. I had to call Deion to tell him to talk to Zim, to come back and talk to me. I'm like d. But like, Zim is probably my favorite defensive coordinator, but, like, I don't mind it. I enjoy competing and enjoying getting coached hard, too. But certain things, you know, you gotta. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Now, we still grown men around here, you know what I mean? That's a big difference between college and the league. But I love Zan.
- [37:08]
Bobby Bones
Before you came in, we were talking about your podcast, how you like podcasting.
- [37:11]
Adam Pacman Jones
I do. I like it, man. I like to do it my way, too. You know what I mean? I think where we at with media today? Everybody got a voice. If you do it the right way, you know, nobody wanted to just, oh, yeah, you know, these are the stats. No, what happened on this play when they was in cover, too, when everybody blamed them in the corner, when it's really the safety fault, you know what I mean? So I think where we at now with media and podcast? Shout out. My team at Bell Online, too, while we in here. It's open. Like, this is where we can explain or put our opinion out. You know, back then, we had to wait for the media. This phone is deadly. Right here, right after the game. Hey, man, I ain't like that call right there. So, like, where we at now? I think everybody got a voice if you do it the right way. And I enjoy talking about everything, not just football. Like, I'm into everything, sports, every sport, every cultural thing that we're talking about. I don't get into personal, though. But now if it's up in the limelight, I got to talk about it.
- [38:16]
Matt Castle
How about the Cincinnati Bengals and what they're doing as an organization?
- [38:19]
Adam Pacman Jones
Because we did the best thing I
- [38:22]
Matt Castle
was going to say. I mean, Dexter Lawrence, a bunch of
- [38:25]
Adam Pacman Jones
Everybody talking about Mr. Brown one spending money. We just broke the bank. That's all I'm saying.
- [38:30]
Matt Castle
What do you think the projections is
- [38:31]
Adam Pacman Jones
for this Super Bowl?
- [38:32]
Matt Castle
Super Bowl?
- [38:33]
Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah. Best thing we don't have since. Well, I ain't gonna say they better in the 15 year because of the quarterback, but I think this is defensive wise. This is the best team we don't had in a long time.
- [38:46]
Matt Castle
They're gonna have to run through those Rams, though. They made a few changes.
- [38:48]
Adam Pacman Jones
Rams are good. And I think old buddy's coming back, too.
- [38:52]
Bobby Bones
You think Aaron Donald's coming back?
- [38:53]
Matt Castle
That would be so savage, that inside information.
- [38:56]
Adam Pacman Jones
Listen, listen, let me tell you something. They got the kid that they drafted. Yep. They just got Miles Garrett. If you put Aaron Donald and Miles garrett out of 10 plays, seven of them are going to be destroyed because
- [39:11]
Matt Castle
who are they going to double team? And that's the issue. Right.
- [39:15]
Adam Pacman Jones
And the young boy good, too.
- [39:17]
Bobby Bones
You have an age. Nobody beats Firetown.
- [39:19]
Adam Pacman Jones
Five time, bro. I played damn near 30. What do you ever talk 18? How many holes was there?
- [39:28]
Matt Castle
36.
- [39:29]
Adam Pacman Jones
He can do it.
- [39:31]
Matt Castle
He. He can do it. If you were to go out and run a 40 right now, what would you run the 40 in?
- [39:36]
Adam Pacman Jones
How long you giving me the ring?
- [39:39]
Matt Castle
I'll give you two weeks.
- [39:41]
Adam Pacman Jones
Oh, two weeks. I run four.
- [39:42]
Matt Castle
Four? I'd blow out every hamstring.
- [39:46]
Adam Pacman Jones
I ran four or five with. No, with a slight tear and a hamstring with Pat.
- [39:52]
Matt Castle
Did you really?
- [39:53]
Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah, on camera.
- [39:56]
Matt Castle
That's hilarious.
- [39:57]
Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah, he paid me a hundred thousand. I couldn't run four or five.
- [39:59]
Bobby Bones
He'd give you the money.
- [40:00]
Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah, yeah. He don't mind paying them.
- [40:03]
Matt Castle
He paid you 100 grand?
- [40:05]
Adam Pacman Jones
Yeah.
- [40:06]
Matt Castle
And paid you straight up.
- [40:07]
Adam Pacman Jones
100.
- [40:08]
Matt Castle
You're like, that's easy money.
- [40:09]
Bobby Bones
What's he like?
- [40:10]
Adam Pacman Jones
Unbelievable. Dude, man. That's my boy. You know, we went to West Virginia together. He won a bus. He locker room. You know what I mean? That's the villain.
- [40:22]
Bobby Bones
The podcast is politely raw. I watch you a lot with Pat. You do? Awesome. You're a great job. You're such a great job. I appreciate you coming by, Matt. Appreciate you coming by. We just like how you just talk about it and not like dance around it.
- [40:36]
Adam Pacman Jones
Oh, no, it's real, you know through the ups and downs, you know, you look back at Cersei like, damn, I did that. And I'm in a great. What should I say? I'm in a great position right now with family. You know what I mean? Loving, loving the time with the kids. Like, I go, I got on the pod, I. I pretty much done had everybody. Bert, Kreischer, Thomas, God, like, I ain't gonna say my group of people, but. But the people that I kind of like pick and look at that remind me that can get in the room with us. It's been good, man. It's been good.
- [41:17]
Matt Castle
I can honestly say the most real authentic guest we've had on the pod this far.
- [41:22]
Bobby Bones
Be honestly the best. I'm just going to put it there.
- [41:24]
Adam Pacman Jones
Appreciate it.
- [41:25]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. You got a hundred thousand with you?
- [41:26]
Adam Pacman Jones
No, I ain't got 100.
- [41:27]
Bobby Bones
I was going to race you for it right now, but. All right, all right.
- [41:29]
Matt Castle
It's good.
- [41:30]
Bobby Bones
No, no. If you don't got it, no, no, you ain't got it. There he is. Adam, Pacman Jones, you guys check out politely raw real pacman24 on Instagram. Appreciate you. Thanks, man.
- [41:41]
Adam Pacman Jones
I appreciate y' all for having me.
- [41:45]
Bobby Bones
Okay, great interview. Don't clip this, okay? Nobody clip this. This is just a conversation here because if it gets clipped, it gets amplified and spread. But if it's just us talking, people listen to the show. All good. So my brother in law is head coach, Tulsa now.
- [42:01]
Matt Castle
Right.
- [42:02]
Bobby Bones
And he's going to kill it there. I have no doubt about it. He's been out because it's portal time and so he's been out landing these. I guess you recruit through the portal. Sure.
- [42:16]
Matt Castle
Right.
- [42:16]
Adam Pacman Jones
I mean, why would.
- [42:17]
Matt Castle
Not. If there's somebody out there that is.
- [42:19]
Bobby Bones
No, I'm just wondering about the language. It's recruiting through the portal. Recruiting feels like such a high school thing. But I guess you're recruiting.
- [42:24]
Matt Castle
You're still recruiting.
- [42:25]
Bobby Bones
Yes. Yeah. So he's, you know, he's getting these players are coming to Tulsa. And so I told him, I said, dude, get the job. I'll write a six figure check immediately.
- [42:34]
Matt Castle
Damn.
- [42:35]
Bobby Bones
And so he got the job. And I called the athletic director there, who I didn't know, and I said, hey, I'm in. Let's figure out a way that everybody can win here because I'm not the Texas Tech booster, because he's a billionaire. But softball, they don't get a lot of money, right? Right. It's a sport. Doesn't get a lot of money. So we haven't Fully agreed on it yet, but I was emailing with them today, which is why I don't want this clipped. But everybody can hear it. That's just hearing it. I think what's going to happen at the Tulsa softball complex is I think I'm going to buy everything outside of left field, and it's going to be called the. The Bobby Bones Home Run Boneyard. Yes, yes, yes.
- [43:18]
Matt Castle
Great name, too.
- [43:19]
Bobby Bones
Thanks.
- [43:20]
Matt Castle
So, Home Run Boneyard.
- [43:22]
Bobby Bones
So I. Again, this is. I've not signed anything, but I threw the idea to them because I didn't want to. Like, if I'm going to pay a bunch, I also want it to be something cool and significant and like it to be something cool, too. Like, you had a home run to the freaking boneyard. That's awesome.
- [43:38]
Matt Castle
It's pretty cool.
- [43:38]
Bobby Bones
So they're going to. Most likely. They've agreed to it. I've agreed to it. We just got to do. Do the. Haven't even wired the money yet, but it's going to be called the Boneyard in left field. And I told him every home run that Tulsa player hits in the boneyard, I'll donate a hundred bucks to the Tulsa Children's Hospital. So that gives a reason. Like, not only is the boneyard, but, like, there's, like, a good charitable reason, too, so. But that'd be pretty sick. That's going to be sick.
- [44:04]
Matt Castle
I'm definitely going to try to go to a game there and sit in the boneyard.
- [44:08]
Bobby Bones
I don't know if they have seats out there. Well, that's a problem, I think, with softball, especially softball, like the big, massive programs do. I don't think there are seats out there in the outfield yet, but that's what we want to do. We want to make sure that there are enough people to come. They win. They have to put seats out there. I think you can stand out there, but, yeah, it'd be fun. It'd be the boneyard.
- [44:27]
Matt Castle
That'll be the second check you write is to actually put stands in the. In the boney.
- [44:31]
Bobby Bones
I hope that's the case. I hope that's the case, that there has to be seats and stands. And so. Yeah, so we will not clip that. But between us here and between the listeners here. Yeah, I'm Big Tulsa.
- [44:45]
Matt Castle
You need to do a big Tulsa.
- [44:46]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, we can go. Yeah, we can go over there. Can you please go drop some bombs? I know people.
- [44:52]
Matt Castle
I think you know some people.
- [44:53]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to do one situational awareness before we go? I'll ask you first.
- [44:57]
Matt Castle
Okay.
- [44:58]
Bobby Bones
The head coach wants to play conservative and protect the lead, but you think and know the defense is ready to break. Are you pushing back?
- [45:08]
Matt Castle
I'm having a conversation and usually you're on the sideline and you're. You're talking to the head coach. Offensive coordinator is usually the liaison to the head coach. If you guys are having a discussion, come up with an idea like, hey, they're going to bring max pressure. I know we want to play conservatively, but at the end of the day, if we get second 15 because they're blitzing everybody, we need to back them off somehow. Let's be aggressive here, max protect and give our guy a shot on the outside. And you'll have that conversation a lot. And there's moments in games and a lot of the times with the Patriots when we were late in the game and we knew we were kind of in that four minute drill which is trying to just burn that clock down, run the ball, get a few first downs. We would always mix in a play action, pass, and it usually was a heavy hitter because it's manto, man, you set up a good pick play or something like that, but you're pushing it down the field and that ends the game because you get that one first down and now they just don't have enough time. Timeouts.
- [46:02]
Bobby Bones
But you are going to have that conversation.
- [46:03]
Matt Castle
100.
- [46:04]
Bobby Bones
And if it's not met with the way that you like, you understand and you just continue as the coach wants.
- [46:09]
Matt Castle
I understand. Right. You're going to have a certain pushback. Like you might have that idea. Hey, let's take a shot here. But if they say, Matt, this is where we're at, they're down to one timeout. We all, we need, we don't even need a first out, but we're going to also keep our field position, punt it down, then make them go 90 and score with one timeout or no timeouts, which you're always playing that game as well.
- [46:31]
Bobby Bones
Dang. Good communication by you.
- [46:32]
Matt Castle
Good communication.
- [46:33]
Adam Pacman Jones
All right.
- [46:34]
Matt Castle
All right. Arkansas wins a huge game, but you picked against them all week.
- [46:40]
Bobby Bones
Picked against them.
- [46:40]
Matt Castle
You picked against them all week. Are you owning it or are you pretending that nobody remembers?
- [46:46]
Bobby Bones
First of all,
- [46:50]
Matt Castle
are you owning it?
- [46:51]
Bobby Bones
It's both. It's like this is a hypothetical, Bobby. I hear you. I'm just going to tell you what's going on in my head right now. I privately over the last few years think we're going to lose every game.
- [46:59]
Matt Castle
So you've bet against Arkansas?
- [47:01]
Bobby Bones
Oh, I don't bet.
- [47:02]
Matt Castle
Never.
- [47:03]
Bobby Bones
Never.
- [47:05]
Matt Castle
Never.
- [47:06]
Bobby Bones
I would never bet against Arkansas and no scenario.
- [47:10]
Matt Castle
You never took the points?
- [47:12]
Bobby Bones
Never. As a matter of fact, I won't even bet them to win if there's a spread that they're getting. Like if they're getting points because I don't want them to win. Not covering me. Have any sort of negative feeling. Never.
- [47:25]
Matt Castle
But don't they give you negative feelings all the time? Because they're not.
- [47:28]
Bobby Bones
That's because they lose.
- [47:29]
Matt Castle
Right.
- [47:29]
Bobby Bones
But that's all.
- [47:30]
Matt Castle
Wouldn't you rather.
- [47:31]
Bobby Bones
No.
- [47:31]
Matt Castle
Bet against them and maybe feel better on the other side?
- [47:34]
Bobby Bones
I wishing so. If they win, I win. If they lose, I win.
- [47:38]
Matt Castle
Yeah.
- [47:38]
Bobby Bones
I, in no uncertain terms, whatever, bet against Arkansas in anything. My heart wouldn't allow it. Again, I won't even bet if they're a favorite. Let's say they're a four point favorite. I don't know who they play in high school for to get half.
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Matt Castle
I was going to say I know four points. Not a lot.
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Bobby Bones
I know. And let's say they win and I've bet them -4, but they only win by 2. I don't want to have that feeling of, oh, they won, but I lost my bet. That sucks. Nope. I do not bet for Arkansas to lose. I do not bet Arkansas minus points ever. I will bet them to win only. And I will only bet them to win plus points.
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Adam Pacman Jones
All right.
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Bobby Bones
Or. Or to cover a spread if it's plus. So if it's like Arkansas plus 10, which often it is, I'll bet that. And if they don't win but they cover, that's a mild win. But no, I would never bet against Arkansas.
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Matt Castle
I didn't ask you if you'd never. This the situation was that you did. I didn't bet against Arkansas.
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Bobby Bones
That's like going, no, I'm sorry.
- [48:37]
Matt Castle
This is.
- [48:37]
Bobby Bones
If you sprained your third ankle, I don't have that, so I can't.
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Matt Castle
I can't. You know, third legs,
- [48:45]
Bobby Bones
third thumb. That's what I have, a third third thumb. The thumbnails been cut off, if you know what I'm saying. All right, that is it. Thank you to Pac Man Jones. That's Matt Castle. That's kickoff. Kevin, that's Brandon Ray. We will see you next week. We have had lots to say. Goodbye, everybody. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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