Lots to Say: Fmr NFL Long Snapper Andrew East

Summary

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The Bobby Bones Show: “Lots to Say” - Former NFL Long Snapper Andrew East

Air date: July 22, 2026
Hosts: Bobby Bones & Matt Cassel
Guest: Andrew East (former NFL long snapper, podcaster, author, entrepreneur)

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Episode Overview

This episode is a lively, candid conversation with Andrew East about his unique journey through the NFL as a long snapper, his athletic family background, the power of team culture, transitioning into media and entrepreneurship, raising an athletic family with Olympic gymnast Shawn Johnson, and his experience on FOX’s "Special Forces: World's Toughest Test." The crew covers everything from inside jokes about football and fitness to deeper insights about personal growth, commitment, and the value of adversity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Andrew East’s Athletic Roots & NFL Path

• Grew up in Indianapolis in a family of stellar athletes—brother was an Olympic cyclist, another a college football and CrossFit Games athlete, sister played softball.
• Despite being the “worst athlete in his family,” Andrew became a key long snapper, playing at Vanderbilt and bouncing through several NFL teams.
• Family vacations and camaraderie are important: “I got four siblings. There’s 11 kids also. …It’s fun.” (03:19)

Timestamps:

• 03:28–04:13: Andrew describes his siblings’ athletic careers and his own path.
• 05:03–05:24: Matt Cassel’s legendary NFL punt story.

Specialized Role & NFL Experiences

• Played linebacker before converting to long snapper in college: “I loved playing linebacker... I was a little sad when I transitioned out.” (13:22)
• Details the unpredictability of the NFL career path for specialists: “If there’s 32 teams, 32 long snappers, there’s probably 20 who are in the pool... It’s a little bit of luck, a little bit of vibe with the coach.” (09:06)
• Notes how the job’s only noticed when something goes wrong: “If you do your job well, nobody ever talks about you.” (13:15)

Notable Quote:

• “I think I signed eight contracts with six teams.” (36:28)

Timestamps:

• 06:09–06:48: Andrew’s daunting first NFL play against Calais Campbell.
• 07:31–07:49: On how special teams expectations have evolved.

Team Culture & Impact of Coaching

• Vividly describes the difference in culture at Vanderbilt under different coaches.
• “You have to first believe… If you just have one person come with that type of belief, it can, I think, ripple effect into the whole locker room.” (20:06)

Notable Quote:

• “It’s totally culture. It’s totally expectations.” (19:51)

Timestamps:

• 18:56–21:46: From no offers to building pride at Vanderbilt, the influence of James Franklin and new coach Clark Lea.

The Modern Athlete: Transition, Parenting, and NIL

• Andrew discusses how his family interacts with their athletic legacy: “People assume athleticism of our kids... All of our kids have ridden a bike by the time… the latest was like two and a half.” (41:32)
• Balances encouraging physical activity with letting the kids find their own passions: “I’m excited genuinely to see them find their thing.” (42:18)

Timestamps:

• 41:14–43:39: Athletic parenting philosophy and stories about his children.

Leaving the Game & Building a New Life

• Smooth transition due in part to launching his podcast and media ventures during his NFL years.
• “I was making the transition while… I realized pretty quickly, oh, shoot, I need to figure something else out... I found my second passion in life, which I feel extremely fortunate to do a lot of.” (39:33)

Timestamps:

• 39:24–40:57: Transitioning from football, meeting Shawn Johnson, and building a family.

Writing & Promoting "The Courage to Commit"

• Andrew and Shawn’s book took 3.5 years—process was fulfilling but touring was exhausting: “We loved writing it... but the tour, we did not like the tour. ... Doing 30 podcasts a week, everything else goes by the wayside.” (29:20)

Notable Quote:

• “Whatever you give your time and attention and money to, you’ll have more buy-in to that thing.” (29:20)

FOX’s "Special Forces: World’s Toughest Test"

• Deep-dive into how challenging (and bonding) the reality show was.
• “They put a bag over your head for like 18 hours... They put you in stress positions... It’s legitimate torture.” (56:38)
• Emphasizes personal growth and newfound humility: “It is so good to be humbled in that sense and so good to be reminded... We got all these comforts, man. What am I whining about, dude?” (58:44)

Timestamps:

• 51:40–57:59: Behind-the-scenes “Special Forces” stories, mental/physical extremes, and lasting friendships formed.

Entrepreneurial Work & Family Dynamic with Shawn Johnson

• Talks about working as business partners with his wife: “Because she’s so kind and gracious… we’re able to have a pretty good team dynamic. …Grew up playing long snapper, used to not getting any credit.” (51:11)
• Their company, Family Made Media, is another avenue for their message and experience.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Exchanges

• On being a long snapper:
  “If you have a guy on the streets like Matt [Overton], who you have film after film of just being steady… He’s probably going to be your top guy in the list to call.” (08:44 – Andrew East)

• On NFL grind:
  “We would practice for 30, 45 minutes, and then we’d go in the locker room and play ping pong for about two and a half hours, dude.” (15:18 – Andrew East)

• On sports culture:
  “Indiana football doesn’t get the credit it deserves. Everyone talks about California, Texas, and Florida. Indiana is like the real deal.” (17:00 – Andrew East)

• On athletic parenting:
  “I feel pretty passionately that you learn something by getting involved in an athletic event that you can’t learn any other way.” (43:39 – Andrew East)

• On book’s resonating story:
  “The day before I showed up to, like, the first day of OTAs, I ran the Boston Marathon... Sacrificed the training for the marathon like I should have because of football, and I sacrificed football for the marathon.” (33:09 – Andrew East)

• On entrepreneurial partnership:
  “It’s the Shawn show, you know what I’m saying? ... Growing up playing long snapper, used to not getting any credit, you know what I’m saying?” (50:19 – Andrew East)

• On “Special Forces”:
  “It’s a really special, unique show... You really dig deep and you find out something about yourself.” (52:30 – Andrew East)

• On family beekeeping:
  “We’re fourth generation beekeepers… Bees are amazing. …My grandpa was a moonshiner and a beekeeper... The last thing he said to my dad before he died was, ‘Take care of the bees.’” (60:48 – Andrew East)

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Closing Thoughts

This episode is equal parts football nostalgia, locker room humor, and thoughtful reflection on growth, adversity, and what comes after sports. Andrew East’s humility, candor, and wit shine in the banter with Bobby and Matt. The lessons from his winding career, new family life, and adventures in media resonate far beyond the field.

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Useful Timestamps

• Andrew’s NFL debut against Calais Campbell: 06:09–06:48
• Ping pong & NFL specialists’ “free time”: 15:18–15:35
• Shifting from football to media: 39:33–40:57
• Special Forces anecdotes: 51:40–57:59
• Family beekeeping tradition: 60:48–61:54

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Find Andrew East: Instagram @AndrewDE
Book: The Courage to Commit (with Shawn Johnson East)
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Transcript

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[Bobby Bones]

Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. We got lots to say. We got lots to say.

[Andrew East]

We're glad you're here and we hope you stay?

[Bobby Bones]

Cause we got lots to say.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, we got lots to say.

[Bobby Bones]

Now here's Bobby and Matt. All right, about to start the episode here with Andrew East. Now he book out called the courage to commit. That he did with Shawn Johnson. Now, Andrew, former NFL player, long snapper, entrepreneur, podcast host and co founder of Family made Media. And so I had Sean on the Bobbycast and we're bringing Andrew over here and we're going to talk sports and bees and the show they did on Fox. And he's just a really great guest, so I hope you enjoy this. Here he is, Andrew East. Hit the theme song. We got lots to say. We got lots to say. We're beggar here and we hope you stay. Cause we got lots to say. Yeah, we got lots to say.

[Andrew East]

Now here's Bobby and Matt.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, everybody, welcome. Matt Castle. I'm Bobby Bones and we have Andrew east with us this week. Andrew, good to see you.

[Andrew East]

Good to be here.

[Bobby Bones]

I was watching your wife's Instagram stories. Weird sentence to say to another guy.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, always. Bobby says that to me all the time.

[Bobby Bones]

It's a weird one. And you got. You guys were, I guess, on vacation, like on a boat.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

How are you? Still hitting it pretty hard. You're pretty ripped up, dude.

[Andrew East]

Oh, dude, I have dialed it back big time. But I do. I do enjoy fitness.

[Bobby Bones]

Are you kidding?

[Andrew East]

I like to compete.

[Matt Castle]

So you're really checking out his body?

[Andrew East]

My wife's. There's a lot going on.

[Matt Castle]

She's just getting really intimate. Really Quick. Welcome to the show.

[Bobby Bones]

I was like, when I see Andrew, I'm gonna tell him he's ripped. He's still got it.

[Andrew East]

He's doing a shirtless pod.

[Matt Castle]

What kind of. Yeah, no, no, I'm not doing a shirtless pod. What kind of swim shorts was he wearing?

[Bobby Bones]

I'm colorblind. Anyway, so even if you guys do like a pontoon boat or what, we

[Andrew East]

went down to Key west, which I'd never been to. We had the best time because they got sandbars everywhere and they're like a foot and a half deep. And we have a two year old. And so it's like he's in the pool slash on the beach at the same time. And it was a 25 foot boat. I think we had 20 people on there. It's a vibe.

[Bobby Bones]

20 people.

[Andrew East]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I got four siblings. There's 11 kids also.

[Bobby Bones]

The whole family went down.

[Andrew East]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fun.

[Matt Castle]

You're one of five.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

Middle of five.

[Matt Castle]

Middle of five, yeah.

[Andrew East]

I'm the worst athlete in my family too. Marriage included, kids included. Worst athlete.

[Podcast Announcer]

Dude.

[Andrew East]

It's crazy.

[Bobby Bones]

Your brothers and sisters were good athletes.

[Andrew East]

Oldest brother was an Olympic cyclist. That's how Sean and I met. Second oldest was like a freak college football player. Like literally twice as strong as I was. He did 35 reps at 225 at the 35. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Dude.

[Andrew East]

And I. Yeah, that's a ton of reps.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm familiar with the combine.

[Andrew East]

It's like, I know you don't direct my attention to Matt because I don't think you know about the combine. And 225 pounds on.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. And. And each one of them weighs 45 pounds each plate.

[Andrew East]

You know, what do you think?

[Bobby Bones]

Where do you play college football?

[Andrew East]

You're Wheaton College in Chicago. And then he's a CrossFit Games athlete.

[Bobby Bones]

And he does CrossFit Games.

[Andrew East]

Oh, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, so then there's you. And then you have two younger.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, college football player at Purdue and then my sister played softball. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, my gosh.

[Matt Castle]

Did you. So did you guys grow up as a sports family? Obviously. Were you pushed into it? Did your parents influence you?

[Andrew East]

No, it was funny. We all just kind of loved it. My dad did play football at Purdue. He was a tight end and long snapper there. By the way, I saw you were a punter in high school. You got a little specialist in you.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, he punted in the NFL.

[Matt Castle]

I know.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you? It was yes or no?

[Matt Castle]

I did have a punt. I had One punt and was it awesome? It was awesome, dude. Let's go. It was a quick kick. So you know the third down situation. We're backed up. Bad weather game, Buffalo winds blowing like 60 miles an hour behind my back. Coach calls it in. I didn't believe him at first, and I looked over and told him to repeat the play, and he literally screams at me. Castle getting huddle. We're going trips right, gap left. Quick kick. And I was. So I tell these guys, we practiced this for four years. So Copenhagen yelling at me in my center. Move up, Castle. So I move up. I grab this ball as quickly as I possibly could. I kick it. It goes maybe 25 yards, but they were. They're in shell coverage, right? It's third down. The ball hits and the wind is so going like 60 miles an hour. Takes it down to the one yard line. It's like 60 yard punt.

[Podcast Announcer]

Wow.

[Matt Castle]

It is.

[Bobby Bones]

It's legendary on social media. Like about once a month I get refed the Matt Castle, the punter clip, and we relive it in here. It is.

[Matt Castle]

It is. We have talked about it a few times. It is epic.

[Bobby Bones]

Your sister played softball? Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

Where?

[Andrew East]

Yeah, yeah, she just did it in high school, and then she got a knee injury and that was that.

[Bobby Bones]

So we were talking a minute ago. I asked him how many surgeries he had, and he didn't give me a number. He started counting out. Well, I had one here, two here, three here. What do we ever get to?

[Matt Castle]

I think we're at six or seven.

[Bobby Bones]

You?

[Andrew East]

Yeah, zero. Really? Zero. I mean, I played long snapper most of the time, so I don't even know if it's considered football at that point.

[Matt Castle]

But you're compromised, dude. Those big guys up front, you. You are literally looking through your legs and snapping the ball and just getting manhandled.

[Andrew East]

My first NFL play was against Calias Campbell. Do you know who this is, dude? He's six foot eight. He's like 340 pounds. One of the largest humans I've legitimately ever seen in my life. And I think he runs like a sub 540, which is bonkers for his size. And I, like, I'm getting settled in, in the whole stance, and I look up, I was like, oh, my gosh. I. I don't know how my. How long my NFL career is going to be. I don't. I don't think I belong.

[Bobby Bones]

Were you not protected then? Is this pretty NFL?

[Andrew East]

They have to kind of offset a little bit.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, but not.

[Andrew East]

But they'll Rush you? Yeah, I literally snap the ball. He comes my way and I, I was like so much smaller than he was. My hands were on his hips and I was like, this is weird. I don't know, it's crazy. All different game.

[Matt Castle]

He's so massive. He's also still playing. It's like his 18th season as a defensive tackle. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Andrew East]

Great dude too.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, if you just have to take up space, how hard can it be? Hut.

[Andrew East]

It's hard.

[Bobby Bones]

Lift up your hand.

[Matt Castle]

Get out of my way, boy.

[Bobby Bones]

I have to imagine though you did that you didn't always snap.

[Andrew East]

I played linebacker until my third year at Vandy. I was pretty good.

[Bobby Bones]

You played linebacker at Vandy?

[Andrew East]

Yeah, I mean I wasn't like the, the starter guy but I was like, I was pretty good, like spring game stuff, you know. But we had, I had four coaches in five years there and so by the time we got our third coach, he was like, hey, we need a long snapper, you're our guy and you're not going to play linebacker anymore. So that was that.

[Bobby Bones]

Had you snapped though, prior to.

[Andrew East]

I was like the second or third string guy and that was like I was like a good enough linebacker to get recruit. That's why they recruited me. And then the long snapping was like a cherry on top. Got me the scholarship and it worked out. This was back before special teams now is such a, it's like truly specialized. All these guys.

[Matt Castle]

No doubt.

[Andrew East]

It's a whole system in and of itself.

[Matt Castle]

There are camps for high school kids just to do long snapping.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

I mean you always knew that Matt

[Bobby Bones]

Overton like has them and Matt, Matt interned for me for a while while he was playing in the NFL.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Like after a season he said I gotta learn something else. Moved down here and interned, then went back to play and he. That, that's my snapping experience is like hanging out with Overton. Yeah. And he has camps and he has 30 kids that come out to his camps.

[Andrew East]

They'll fly all over the, like from all over the country and come train, dude. Overton's career was like really impressive. He played with the Colts and then he, and then second half back in

[Bobby Bones]

like minimal, like veteran minimum and he's getting called back in to play with the Chargers, with the Cowboys. We went down to see him with the Cowboys, Jaguars just one after. He's like, I'm done, I, I'm retired.

[Matt Castle]

No, I'm going back. No. That paycheck keeps you, keeps you coming back.

[Bobby Bones]

There's no doubt, is there? Just A limited number of dependable snappers.

[Andrew East]

Here's the thing. It's like, you know this as good as anybody, Matt. Like, if you're a coach, the last thing you want to be thinking about is the long snapper. And so if you have a guy who's on the streets, your long snapper gets hurt. You have a guy on the streets like Matt, who you have film after film of just being steady, independent. He's probably going to be your top guy in the list to call. And there's probably. I mean, if there's 32 teams, 32 long snappers, there's probably 20 who are kind of in the pool of people getting tryouts and everything. But it's like you just got to. There's so many different things that go into it. And I remember, try it after tryout for me, I was like, oh, this can be my break. And then like, I would get an opportunity to have to decide between going to the Chargers, the Cardinals. I was like, okay, sweet.

[Matt Castle]

Let's.

[Andrew East]

Let's sign with the Chargers in the off season and then shoot. The Cardinals guy got hurt and that would been a better opportunity. And you're like, dang. So there's like a little bit of luck, a little bit of like, how do you vibe with the coach, the system, the whole thing.

[Bobby Bones]

And yeah, he got signed by the Cowboys because I, I didn't know him until he came in, intern for my show. And I just thought, this guy, like, he's on. He knows his career is not going to last forever and he wants to learn other skills. So I thought that was super cool.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And so that's when we got to know him really well and we stayed close. He said, I got. The Cowboys just called. And so my buddies are big Cowboys fans. I'm not, but they are massive Cowboys fans. So I'm watching the game. His first snap, going right over the center. First Overton. First snap, over the guy's head. No, bad snap. First one, no way. We were like, oh, my God.

[Matt Castle]

Now that's the worst case scenario, by the way.

[Bobby Bones]

There was never another bad one after that. But his first one was a bad. I don't know what you guys call it.

[Matt Castle]

Bad snap.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, I guess a botch would be a hole, but a bad snap. What was the first one?

[Matt Castle]

Gosh, dude, when you talk about the scheme, that's always. I had the question about this. So you play for multiple teams. You go in, everybody has their special team coordinator. But for your specific position, did the scheme really matter that much or Was it? Look, I got to get the ball to where I got to get the ball, whether it's to the holder, to the punter and I don't have to worry too much about what's going on in terms of scheme. Yeah.

[Andrew East]

So there would be more aggressive special teams. Coaches like Bobby Fossil, we call him, or Jones, John Fossil, you know, Bones. Bones, yeah. There's a legend.

[Bobby Bones]

You know, I've held a football before once or twice.

[Matt Castle]

Hey, this guy was, he was big time in high school.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean I've touched the old pig skin a couple of times, so.

[Andrew East]

So yeah, but Anyway, go ahead.

[Matt Castle]

225 by the way.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, yeah, he was always like, he was always pushing the limits as far as like trick plays and everything. He always had it dialed up, which was fun. So that in that way it varies. Field goals are pretty, pretty run of the mill, like vanilla. It won't vary too much. The Raiders, when I was out there, they were always like trying to do some trick plays and some people are more conservative. But then one of the big things is like do you do a tight formation or more of a spread out and there's pros and cons to both. And Kansas City, which is the first team that I signed with, I think I was a couple years right after you, that was like a tight formation which would have been so much better for me had I not helped me with Kaleis. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Because you have your, your guard right on your hip like literally touching you as opposed to two yards away like we did in other teams. And just from a protection standpoint, as I'm trying to snap and block and do both really well and consistent, that can make a difference. But then from a coverage standpoint, going down to cover the ball, it makes it a little more difficult.

[Bobby Bones]

So in the NFL, did you guys ever have swinging gate or did you guys kind of retire that in high school?

[Andrew East]

The swinging gate, dude. But the swinging gate. Yeah, we did it in college bride like a 40 yard reception.

[Matt Castle]

Oh you really.

[Andrew East]

Oh yeah, it was Georgia it.

[Bobby Bones]

I hate having to guard the frickin swinging gate because you would see it on film. They did it one time three years ago and God dang if they didn't do it. This game is so you're like running, trying. Oh my God, who's got who? I hated the swinging gate. Oh, so you caught a four yard

[Andrew East]

touchdown or a pass Georgia. And then I had, I had a two point conversion, maybe two of them at Vandy, which was always fun.

[Bobby Bones]

Would you guys do that? Somewhat common. Then did you guys. Some people would hop in a swinging gate and then never use it. So they would see if you'd line up right and then go back. Right.

[Matt Castle]

And then condense formation back.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, I mean, that's. That's always like, the ball. The courage of your special teams coordinator, our guy was, hey, we got nothing to lose. We got a chance to be Georgia. Let's go run this thing. And you're like, shoot, I gotta go.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, let's go, baby.

[Podcast Announcer]

Here we go.

[Bobby Bones]

Game time.

[Matt Castle]

So scary. When you first transitioned to long snapper, was that something that was intimidating for you when you, like. Because obviously, if you do your job well, nobody ever talks about you and that's what you want, dude. It.

[Andrew East]

I loved playing linebacker. I love football, dude. Ever since I was a kid, like, all I want to do is play football. Linebacker, to me was like the definition of peak football. I was a little sad when I transitioned out of linebacker and just focused on long snapping. It ended up being a really fun process of, like, really trying to master that craft and just like, say, okay, I'm gonna be the most consistent person out there. And I think I did a decent job at accomplishing that. I'll never forget Adam Vittateri. Did you play with him in New England?

[Matt Castle]

Oh, yeah, I did.

[Andrew East]

Legend. You remember this guy? That kid? Dude, he probably played for 20 years.

[Matt Castle]

20 years, dude.

[Andrew East]

Patriots for a long time. Colts. I got a Colts four.

[Matt Castle]

Four time super bowl winner.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And you got the most famous kick in the history of kicks, other than Tolus Joe from the 60s.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, that's true, man.

[Andrew East]

It's true. You're just dropping all these, like, the. The football knowledge.

[Matt Castle]

I love it. It's like,

[Andrew East]

oh, it's so good. But. But Vinateri did a Colts minicam and he was like, dude, those are the. The best short snaps I've ever seen in my life. And I was like, I made it. I'm good. Like, mission accomplished as far. But it was intimidating. It was not ever a problem or intimidating until I got to the pros. And then for whatever reason, like, just focusing, like, all you did was sit around and practice and, like, you'd warm up for your 5 minute window of time in practice to, like, have to nail it. And I just couldn't deal with that for the first two, three years of my career. So then I had to, like, kind of acclimate to that, which was a whole different animal.

[Matt Castle]

But yeah, I was gonna say, what do you guys do all day? I mean. Cause we're in meetings. I'm sitting there, I'm breaking down these elaborate defense is like, oh, there's a 22, man. Let's look at this blitz package. Let's do this. And then I always would come in the locker room.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

Right before we go to practice. You guys are already in there just kind of hanging out, getting ready to go take your. Like, you said five snaps. And I'm like, but then where do you go during practice?

[Andrew East]

Do you want the honest answer or the politically question?

[Matt Castle]

Yes, I want the honest.

[Andrew East]

Dude. We would. We would practice for, like, in Washington. We'd practice maybe for like 30, 45 minutes, and then we'd go in the locker room and play ping pong for about two and a half hours. Dude. And we would. Dude, we got so good at pong. Oh, man, I still would love to challenge you to a game of ping pong.

[Matt Castle]

You probably beat me. You probably beat me. Yeah, I was always wondering that. I'm just like, these guys have so much free time. I'm like, do they even have to watch film? Because you have to execute your play right. You probably do in terms of punt. Right. Punt coverage and all that.

[Andrew East]

Not the same way you guys do. Not the same way.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you ball in high school, though?

[Andrew East]

You know, I was not like a dominant. I was pretty good. I was pretty good on a bad high school team.

[Matt Castle]

Don't be modest. And you were the greatest.

[Bobby Bones]

He sound like Castle. Especially with the Chiefs. He's pretty good on a bad team.

[Andrew East]

Dang.

[Bobby Bones]

Is that not true? Yeah, the first year.

[Matt Castle]

First year, we were. We were real bad team. Yeah. Yeah, we were real bad.

[Bobby Bones]

Don't be assaulted for them. It's the truth.

[Podcast Announcer]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Go ahead.

[Andrew East]

2012. Is that your first or last year?

[Matt Castle]

Oh, my last year was 2018. Oh, you're saying with Chiefs? 2012.

[Andrew East]

Okay, nice.

[Matt Castle]

You came in when?

[Andrew East]

2014 was my rookie year. Dustin Colquitt was still out there, a character.

[Matt Castle]

Jeez, man, you talk about somebody that can make anybody laugh, but the pranks that you'd pull and all the stuff that he'd do. Nuts.

[Andrew East]

By the way, I was refreshing myself on Matt's resume here. Football wise, Legendary.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I know. It's actually really good. Until he got hurt and people don't give him the credit he deserves, especially in the NFL. He was good, but the second year, he made the Pro Bowl.

[Andrew East]

That's insane. That is so well done.

[Matt Castle]

Thanks.

[Andrew East]

But wait, is it truly? How many college games did you start as a quarterback?

[Matt Castle]

Zero.

[Andrew East]

That's crazy, dude.

[Bobby Bones]

Also Quit. Also quit and played baseball, bro. I played college baseball.

[Andrew East]

I'm just gonna go play ball.

[Matt Castle]

Well, that was just to get out of spring. I mean, you talk about somebo. I was down in the dumps. I was sitting there going, oh, God, I've got to go watch line art go through spring ball.

[Andrew East]

No. 2 Heisman Trophy winners.

[Matt Castle]

You were buying two of them. How about. How about the first? So two Heisman. I played with three Heisman Trophy winners in college my first two years.

[Bobby Bones]

Reggie Bush.

[Matt Castle]

Reggie Bush.

[Bobby Bones]

And then Palmer. And then Palmer and lineart.

[Matt Castle]

Line art. And then I get to the league. I play with Doug Flutie, Heisman Trophy winner, second year.

[Andrew East]

Wow.

[Matt Castle]

Brewing in halfway through the year. Vinny Tessaverde, Heisman Trophy winner. Played with like six heisa. Derrick Henry.

[Andrew East]

That's amazing.

[Matt Castle]

Six. Played with like six Heisman Trophy winners.

[Andrew East]

Wow.

[Bobby Bones]

They also put him at tight end in college.

[Andrew East]

I was looking there.

[Bobby Bones]

He's like.

[Andrew East]

He played some tight end. He played some. Was it like, wide receiver?

[Matt Castle]

Yes. I did play a little wide receiver in my freshman year. Caught a few balls there too. Yeah. So funny.

[Andrew East]

Just out here grinding.

[Matt Castle]

The more you can do, babe, the more you can do. Hopefully somebody will give you a shot someday.

[Bobby Bones]

Where'd you grow up?

[Andrew East]

Indianapolis.

[Bobby Bones]

So how'd you end up at Vanderbilt?

[Andrew East]

Okay, so my high school team was bad in a really good conference. Warren Central is in my conference. Carmel High School is a big one up there. Ben Davis. I think when I was playing there, we were the. We were the second best conference in the country. I'm just saying, Indiana football doesn't give the credit it deserves. Everyone talks about California and Texas and Florida. Indiana is like the real deal. So I had zero scholarship offers. My coach in high school held all the letters. Like he. He was not. Unless we were a successful team. He wouldn't let you, like, do the recruiting thing. And he was like. Yeah, it was like this whole gimmick game and whatever side story. I come down to Vandy, and there's a coach, Warren Beelin there who loved me as a linebacker. And we had this. I was at the summer camp, and he was like, east, if you run under 4 7, we'll give you a scholarship. So I went out there, dude, I was like, just give it every. I was trying to juice every little ounce out, and I did it. So Vandy gave me a scholarship.

[Matt Castle]

So you ran a four, six.

[Andrew East]

I ran a four, six, five that day, I think.

[Matt Castle]

Four six.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I should balance that off. Yeah, I should. I should work on that. But Vandy was the only school to give me offer, so I came. I didn't know anything about Vandy. Came down here, went to and 10 our first season. How hard is that to go back, have two intense season? Oh, I'll never forget. You never experienced this at usc. Our last game was against Wake Forest. It's like whatever, late November, freezing cold. We're terrible. Wake Forest was bad. They beat us by 40. But in the stands, literally there's probably 250 people. And it was just. The whole season was just like a letdown where nobody's bought in. The coaches didn't care. Like there was no challenge to it, you know, and you're used to kind of like pushing the limit. You want to, you want to be good. You want to, you want to be outside your comfort zone and push yourself to the limit to be good. And there was just none of that. There was no push, there was no good. It was just let down.

[Bobby Bones]

Is that culture?

[Andrew East]

100%. 100%. The next year we went 6 and

[Bobby Bones]

7 with James Franklin.

[Andrew East]

James Franklin came. That was a huge success, massive. And it was like different tone from the get go.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you feel it immediately?

[Andrew East]

So again, I had four coaches, five years. It was so interesting to see how they each approached like their first introduction to the team. I got to Vandy. Bobby Johnson retired, just deuced out in July. Oh my God. Right before the season, which is crazy. Coach Franklin comes. And our first time with the coaching staff was a 4am workout in the basketball gym. Dude, we had never done a workout that hard. There was so many people throwing up all over the gym. And it was like, okay, you're either gonna buy in and be here and put up with this or like we'll will help transition you away. And then the third coach, or, sorry, the fourth coach came and he was like, hey, good to meet you. We're gonna give you like six weeks off. And it was like such a different. As opposed to coming in and laying down the hammer. It was like, hey, let's be nice and friendly. We'll take it easy. And we were not as successful my last year as well. So yeah, I think it's totally cultured. It's totally expectations. It's like, I think there's, there's a little bit of like, I don't want to say delusional confidence, but I love the story of like Pavia, what he did with Alabama. It's like you, you have to first believe, you have to have that, that confidence. Whether it's delusional or based off of reality of like, we can be better, we can be good, we can beat Alabama, we can go to a bowl game. And then you kind of start, I think, reverse engineering what that looks like in your brain. And if you just have one person come with that type of belief, it can, I think, ripple effect into the whole locker room very quickly.

[Matt Castle]

But there's been a lot of pride now with Vandy being as good as they've been these last few years. And Clark Lee's done there and just transformed what people viewed as Vanderbilt football.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, 100%. It's so fun. I mean, there's so much momentum behind all of vanity athletics. Candice is doing a great job as an AD over there, but it's like a totally different experience now where you're like, okay, sweet. We got a little respect now. And I'm excited to see what they do this year, but what a great couple of years.

[Bobby Bones]

You say Arkansas, like, Arkansas finally gets to play Vanderbilt. And they're good. Like, all the years we did, we're just begging to play Vanderbilt. We never play them. And now we come here next year and they're good. And I love Coach Lee. Like, I've spent a lot of time with him. He's come out to my show. He's. I love that, dude.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

But it would be Vanderbilt at the bottom. Kentucky. Arkansas will be flirting, but it's just us where it's. It. Kentucky's got Will Stein. I know Vanderbilt.

[Matt Castle]

They're gonna be better.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, dude. I think Vandy's gonna be a huge beneficiary of the whole nil setup. Like, there's no reason not to come.

[Matt Castle]

So much money at that school. There's alumni and everybody. I'm like, dude, now they're gonna start actually chipping in because they've got a winner and they're gonna be.

[Bobby Bones]

Are you. Are you giving money?

[Matt Castle]

You give money? Huh?

[Andrew East]

No, I. Bogus one. You do To Vandy. Arkansas.

[Matt Castle]

God, no.

[Andrew East]

Never to.

[Bobby Bones]

They don't need V. Doesn't need my money. I give it to Arkansas.

[Andrew East]

Gosh, I. I know it's been 150 years of bad Vanderbilt football, but I think those days are behind us, dude. I'm just saying it's a new era.

[Bobby Bones]

What's great about it is that Coach Lee went to school here. He wants to be here. A lot of folks have used that job, if done well, as a stepping stone to get somewhere else. I mean, look at Coach Franklin when he left. Clark Lee's not doing that. He could have left. You know, when he came down from Notre Dame, he was defensive coordinator up there. It was okay, guy that played here is coming back home. Let's see. He was hot, you know, coming out of Notre Dame, and he could have left twice. And he hasn't left. He's not leaving.

[Andrew East]

Do you feel like Arkansas is a stepping stone job now?

[Bobby Bones]

Arkansas has never been a stepping stone job. I think now it's a job.

[Matt Castle]

You go there to die.

[Bobby Bones]

You go to die. Yeah. You go to die.

[Matt Castle]

Fayetteville's a beautiful place.

[Bobby Bones]

It's awesome. We got a house right by the stadium. It's the greatest thing ever. It's my favorite, other than my family and possibly my. It's my favorite thing in the whole world. And it just. It's.

[Matt Castle]

I.

[Bobby Bones]

It's so disheartening.

[Andrew East]

Dude. The most absurd experience pre game I've had is playing at Arkansas is Ryan Mallet, who is a good 6 foot 8 gunslinger cannon.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Started in Michigan, like right here in Camden, Arkansas.

[Podcast Announcer]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

She's out there pregame. And they bring out the pig, and it's Tusk.

[Bobby Bones]

Let's have respect. Put respect on Tusk's name.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, Huge dude is.

[Bobby Bones]

But he doesn't do anything.

[Andrew East]

He just sits in the kitchen.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you mean it's alive? It's a tusk.

[Andrew East]

It's like.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you think people said about Bevo, when he comes out, they're like, he doesn't do anything. He's got big horns. What does Vanderbilt bring out somebody? A cap and gown.

[Matt Castle]

They need to run it around like

[Andrew East]

they do the buffaloes.

[Bobby Bones]

Huge pig. Pig with horn. It's a no.

[Andrew East]

But he kind of looks sad. He's in the cage kind of looking sad at you.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, he's just in the cage.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, you know why he's sad? Yeah. It's not even because he's a pig.

[Matt Castle]

Gosh, what a grand.

[Bobby Bones]

It's awful. I've never spent more money on something. It's been so upset. And I just keep pumping money into it, thinking it's gonna someday it's gonna change. Oh, my God.

[Matt Castle]

So good.

[Andrew East]

Would you rather get 100 grand to go play in Fayetteville or 50 grand to play in Nashville, Tennessee, if you're a player.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, what year?

[Andrew East]

Right now?

[Matt Castle]

Right now, 20.

[Andrew East]

26.

[Bobby Bones]

But I'm me, so I'm going to Fayetteville for a nickel.

[Matt Castle]

Okay. Switch up the school.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. Yeah.

[Andrew East]

Let's call it.

[Matt Castle]

It's a recruiting. It's a recruiting question.

[Bobby Bones]

You're asking a bias. I'm a very biased person.

[Matt Castle]

What's another school that you respect in the sec?

[Bobby Bones]

Let's see. Hey, Texas.

[Matt Castle]

That's why I didn't use them.

[Bobby Bones]

Bama. Get over it. I like teams like I would. I like Vanderbilt and I like Kentucky because they were always below us.

[Matt Castle]

That's.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, Ole Miss, you know.

[Matt Castle]

Okay, so Kentucky, you get offered $100,000 to go there or 50,000.

[Bobby Bones]

They have no football culture. We might not be good right now. We have just at least a little bit of football culture. Don't look at me like we don't. We have a little bit.

[Podcast Announcer]

We've.

[Bobby Bones]

We've been to the SEC championship game. We've go to bowling.

[Matt Castle]

80s.

[Bobby Bones]

No, no, no.

[Andrew East]

We played Chris Leak.

[Bobby Bones]

Chris Leak and Tebow in Florida. We went sweet in Atlanta. Yeah, I did that. But we've, you know, we've 98. We were a game away from the national championship.

[Matt Castle]

We opened up Pandora's box here.

[Bobby Bones]

No, it's stupid. Whatever, man. Good to see Andrew.

[Podcast Announcer]

Bye.

[Matt Castle]

It's been a great interview.

[Bobby Bones]

He's got a book. Read it if you want.

[Matt Castle]

Struck a chord.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, man, I love it up there. I'm just very frustrated if you can't tell. And here's the bad thing that I did is I started spending a lot of money and it makes you angrier when it seems like the ship continues to sink. So don't give money is my point, because you'll just get angry.

[Andrew East]

Sounds you guys could use some of that delusional confidence that we were talking about.

[Bobby Bones]

I have plenty myself. They have. I don't know what they have. So anyway, enough. Enough about us. Just keep pumping.

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Andrew East]

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[Matt Castle]

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[Bobby Bones]

Refreshers contain caffeine. You have a book called the Courage to Commit, and I've read almost all of it now because when your wife came in, I think she was surprised that I read the book, and I was just, like, quoting stuff to her. She's like, you read it? I was like, well, I can read. I think he doesn't know I know football. And she didn't think I could read. So I think they.

[Matt Castle]

You're sure that wasn't books on tape? Are you sure that wasn't books on tape?

[Bobby Bones]

And I was watching you guys do a book tour, and I've done those a couple times. You guys were killing it. It is a grind.

[Andrew East]

Oh, yeah, it is.

[Bobby Bones]

And you get asked the same things over and over again. How was that experience at promoting a book? Because that is a monster itself.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, we loved writing it. I mean, we got to talk about a lot of things. Just like you saying you invested in Arkansas, and then you're, like, more emotionally invested as well. It's like there's a little bit of that in there where it's. It's whatever you give your time and attention and money to, you'll. You'll have more buy into that thing. So whether that's your family, like, the more time you spend with the family, the higher in the. The more like, you just have natural draw to it, you know, I'm saying, like, that that's more up your priorities pyramid, if you will. But the. The tour, we love the writing. We did not like the tour. It's just like we did. We were doing 30 podcasts a week, and. And then everything else goes by the wayside. Like, you're trying to just do your normal home tasks, and it's like, oh, we got a podcast in five minutes. I love doing podcasts. You know what I'm saying? But not 30 in a week.

[Bobby Bones]

It gets blurry. You don't even know. You don't even know if you've repeated a story.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Because you're doing so many. You want. Oh, already tell this story in this. This interview?

[Andrew East]

Yeah. There's hard to work out there.

[Matt Castle]

Don't get me wrong.

[Andrew East]

But it's just like a. It's a weird experience, for sure.

[Matt Castle]

You kind of have to repeat, though, your stories. If you're telling.

[Bobby Bones]

You don't even know if you've said this one in this interview or not because you've done so many.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, you're saying that you forgetful about. Wait, did I say what I wanted to say? Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Everything just starts to, like, mold together.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Congratulations on the success of the book. It's awesome.

[Andrew East]

Appreciate it.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

It's a fun ride.

[Matt Castle]

It's good. How long did it take you guys to write?

[Andrew East]

Was about three and a half years. It took us a while.

[Matt Castle]

Three and a half years?

[Andrew East]

Yeah. It's like.

[Matt Castle]

No, that's commitment.

[Andrew East]

Did you do it with a publisher or no.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

Yeah. It's like there's this manuscript was done a year before it came out, and you have to make all these, like, tweaks and edits to it. And then you have to choose a cover, which takes too long and choose the title, which takes a long time. But. But coming up with the concept took a long time to drill in, so.

[Podcast Announcer]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you ever want to coach?

[Andrew East]

Never, dude.

[Bobby Bones]

So when you finished never, you didn't have a need to get back into it in any way.

[Andrew East]

I think very quickly, when you go to college, you realize those coaches are there, I don't know, 18 hours a day.

[Matt Castle]

So long.

[Andrew East]

It's a whole, like, you have to love that thing, you know? And then you're putting in maybe a decade to get to a coordinator or head coach job. I feel like. Am I wrong?

[Matt Castle]

I mean, no, it's a long time. You got to pay your dues. And even if you even previous players that played the game and they think that they know. But coaching's such a different aspect of how you teach, how you put it on the board. The stuff that you have to get prepared, so you have to know all those different elements.

[Andrew East]

Yeah. The coaches I had have impacted my life in massive ways. I'm so grateful for them. I do not envy what they do at all. Yeah. Did you ever think about coaching?

[Matt Castle]

I thought about it and I think I would enjoy it. But then the aspect of, like you said, when you go in your committed to coaching, you're not going to see your family.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

And then you're at the mercy of job security because if the head coach gets fired now you're looking to the next city. You're not staying in your present city with kids. At least mine. I've got Five from sophomore all the way down to third grade or junior down to third grade, and you're sitting there going, how can I disrupt what they've built in terms of friends and all that? And so that always was really difficult for me because I do think that I would enjoy the camaraderie. Yeah, I used to love getting on the board and. And watching the film and trying to figure out the problem or who we can take advantage of. That was part of the job, but the other part of the hours and being away from my family, it wouldn't be. It'd be completely unfair.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, you got to do it for the love of it. And I don't love it like that.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you have a story in your book that. That people. It resonated with people more than you thought, and it kept being brought up to you, and you're like, oh, this is the one that people kind of have. Have drawn, you know, gravitated to.

[Andrew East]

Oh, dude. I mean, the book is pretty much like, hey, this is everything that you do right, and that's what Sean did. And then here's how you. You could do it wrong, which is what I did. Like, I mean, so I signed with the Redskins, got my first season in my belt, and then at that point, I was five years in and bounced around everywhere. And we had started doing podcasts and YouTube, and I, like, fell in love with that. And so that became my main focus in football, was, like, just what I was making videos about, pretty much. And so the day before. This is a story that everyone seems to talk about. The day before I showed up to, like, the first day of OTAs, I ran the Boston Marathon, and it was, like, for this whole. It was like this whole charity thing, and it was awesome. Memorable. But to train for a marathon, obviously, the lighter you are, the better you can run. And I had to show up on LTAs at, like, £245, so I, like, couldn't do the long runs. I sacrificed the training for the marathon like I should have because of football, and I sacrificed football for the marathon. I was caught between this limbo. That's just not the right way to go about, you know, trying to pursue an NFL career.

[Matt Castle]

So at that point, correct me if I'm wrong, were you checked out? You went and ran a marathon right before ota?

[Andrew East]

Literally the day before, dude. And we did a hamstring text test, dude. I was cribbing. I was all messed up. The punter looked at me. He was like, east, this isn't for you, bro. And I was like, I think you're right, man.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you ever have a kicker? You knew, you know, I don't say a name. You're like, this ain't gonna go well for the kicker. Yeah.

[Andrew East]

It's such a heady. It's a mental game. So, yeah, there's a couple. Like, there's one guy I knew who used to journal for, like, two hours after practice, and it was. He would write about what happened, and then he would write about how he felt about what happened, and then he would write about how he felt about how he felt about what happened. And you're like, that's deep in the mental. In the mental category.

[Matt Castle]

Too much time thinking on. Yeah. A practice.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

The best ones are the guys that can flush and just go next.

[Bobby Bones]

And Janikowski show up drunk.

[Matt Castle]

Completely.

[Andrew East]

I played with Jim.

[Matt Castle]

Did he play with Janet? No, I did not. He's a legend.

[Andrew East]

I will never forget. I showed up first day on the Raiders, going to the hot tub, and I see this huge guy there, and I was like, hell, he's got to be an onlineman. And there's Sebastian Janikowski. Dude, he would walk out there with dip in his sock, and, dude, he did not care. But to his credit, that old school athlete, even baseball players like David Wells, all the stories of him showing up and whatever, they didn't have that mental stress that I think youth sports and the whole system now kind of forces on you, where it's like, oh, I've worked my whole life for this and I'm so stressed and I can't mess this up. They didn't have that rumination. So it's like, yeah, did you just show up, you do your thing and you deuce out later and whatever.

[Matt Castle]

I think the environment's changed so dramatically, especially in youth sports, we're experiencing it that everybody's becoming more specialized earlier. And then in addition to that, they feel like in order to keep up with the competition, they've got to do more. They've got to do the travel ball, the club ball, and that's how most of these sports recruit now. But it is a lot of stress to put on a young kid, especially if they're not ready to handle that. In the old school mentality, I felt like you go out, you play your rec league, you're probably the best guy on the team. They know that. And sooner or later you're going to get an opportunity. And then they're like, this is great playing ball.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

How many teams you play with?

[Andrew East]

I think I signed Eight contracts with six teams. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

In five years, did you ever get to your destination and you got to go? What was your shortest run with the team?

[Andrew East]

Seattle was real brief. I remember I signed with Seattle. They had like three long snappers on the roster. And then I found out I got. Got cut by Seattle. Just I showed up, did my physical, and then they cut me on Twitter and I got like an alert.

[Matt Castle]

No way.

[Andrew East]

I was like, dang. I guess I'm not on the Seahawks. Like two weeks before a wedding. I was so stressed.

[Bobby Bones]

What kind of check do you get then? A week's pay?

[Andrew East]

Oh, no, no, no, no. So, I mean, I. If you're a bubble guy like me, you'd show up, you'd sign, you'd get the stipend for camp, which was, I don't know, 1500 bucks a week maybe. And then I got, I got a signing bonus in Kansas City because that was coming out of. That was the free agency in the draft. But then it's not a lot, dude. Like, I did not get paid a lot in the NFL. So Washington paid me the most, just the three games I played with them. You get, you get the proper game checks, which is good, but not a lot of money.

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[Matt Castle]

With your experience, how it went, how was that transition away? Were you kind of at some point relieved, or were you just like, it's time to move on?

[Andrew East]

I was fortunate I was making the transition while I realized pretty quickly, oh, shoot, I need to figure something else out because this is so uncertain. And so I was making the transition kind of during my career, and so it hurt way less when it was finally, like, time to close that door. But I remember the last time I got cut from the Redskins, we were pregnant with our daughter. She was going to be born in, like, two months or so, and I was like, I'm good. Like, I've accomplished everything I dreamed of and more about to have a daughter, and I don't want to be bouncing around the country everywhere with a newborn baby. I found my second passion in life, which I feel extremely fortunate to do a lot of. Dude, I feel like the longer you play professional athletics, the longer it takes you to come out of it. You know what I'm saying? It's, like, so hard. So hard. Sean took probably five years after her gymnastics career to feel confident in something else. And so I was like, I think. I think I'm good with football right now.

[Bobby Bones]

So you met her through your older sibling that's a cyclist? Yeah, Olympic cyclist.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, yeah. They met in London at the London Olympics. She had just retired, and she was looking at going to school at Stanford or Vandy, and I was playing football there. So I was like. I made my first social media account, tweeted at her, said, hey, I'll give you a tour if you want to come Shot my shot, bro. Here we are.

[Bobby Bones]

And that shot worked.

[Andrew East]

It took a little bit of time. It did.

[Matt Castle]

To pay nil money to get her to come to Vandy.

[Andrew East]

Took a little bit of time.

[Bobby Bones]

How long did you guys date before you got married?

[Andrew East]

Two years. But it took us about a year to convince her to date me. So I was, you know, I had to write the poems and just kind of work the lines.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, she made you wait. Like, a year is. Especially with the way this guy looks. You think that. Hey, linebacker.

[Bobby Bones]

Have you seen it with a shirt off?

[Andrew East]

I have, I have.

[Bobby Bones]

Let me tell you. You know what I'm saying?

[Matt Castle]

Hey, no.

[Bobby Bones]

Does everybody make the joke? Your kids are going to be so athletic.

[Andrew East]

Yeah. A lot of people assume athleticism of our kids, and so far, it's it's pretty fun to watch them be so intuitive with a lot of things. Our, all of our kids have ridden a bike by the time. I think the latest was like two and a half pedal bikes.

[Bobby Bones]

Two and a half years old?

[Andrew East]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

They're riding bikes.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

And my 8 year old just learned on a race, but she didn't have any interest.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, we have a four month old right now. I don't know if this is embarrassing or not, but she can only do seven burpees. Right now we're really working like we're really, we're focused. So we're not there yet, but we're.

[Andrew East]

Oh man, that's funny.

[Matt Castle]

How do you guys approach it with your kids? Do they know that you played professional sports or anything like that or what are the ages? How, how old?

[Andrew East]

We have a six year old daughter, four year old actually just turned five this past weekend. Five year old son and two and a half year old son. And I think they do know. I mean it's weird. People will, you know, come take pictures with Sean. They hear a voice at the airport and they're like why, why are you talking at the airport? And you know, there's a little bit of explaining that has to go in there. But what's really fun is, is I, I'm excited genuinely to see them find their thing. And like our four year old, sorry, five is racing motocross. He's an animal at it, dude. He rides like 50cc and goes out competitive. And I think, I think Sean and I are proud of everything we've accomplished. I think we're way infinitely more excited about what our kids are getting into. No matter. But I do think that we will have them do some physical activity. You know, there's a high school around here that you have to do at least one sport every semester. And I'm like, I used to think, oh, I won't force our kids into sports. You know, that was kind of our thing. But I feel pretty passionately that you learn something by getting involved in an athletic event that you can't learn any other way. Like to use your body like that is super important to have that discomfort. Super important. And then if you're doing a team sport, it's like gold, dude.

[Bobby Bones]

See the adversity from a team sport.

[Matt Castle]

Right?

[Bobby Bones]

Just even if you're a winning team. For me it wasn't a lot more adverse for me than you guys. Nice being awesome athletes.

[Andrew East]

What sports did you do?

[Bobby Bones]

It doesn't matter. It literally doesn't matter. It Literally doesn't matter. It does not matter.

[Andrew East]

You've been hyping this as a lefty.

[Bobby Bones]

No, it doesn't matter. She hyped anything up. I'm sitting over here, my little nerd glasses on. Little Urkel over here.

[Matt Castle]

Why are you making fun of yourself?

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I mean, he walked in and he was like, 35.

[Matt Castle]

225.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

That's four.

[Bobby Bones]

It's four plates. What's your relationship now with pro football?

[Andrew East]

I love football, dude. I'm so ready for it to start.

[Bobby Bones]

Still in.

[Andrew East]

I love it.

[Bobby Bones]

Who's your team now?

[Andrew East]

I grew up a Colts fan. I'm still a Colts fan. It's been fun to. I guess the Titans were good for a hot second, so I'll track those two teams. But I grew up watching Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne. No, I love. Took me, like, probably two years to feel good about watching it again and not get to a point where you're watching field goals and punts and thinking, you know, that guy sails it, maybe I'll get a call. And you're kind of like, oddly rooting against them subconsciously. I don't know if you felt this at all, but you're like, damn, I might get a chance.

[Matt Castle]

I know I'm better than that guy. Yeah.

[Andrew East]

No, why didn't.

[Matt Castle]

A call.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you did the trial to the guys, you're like, he's not that good. And then so you just get over that ego or whatever. And so now it's. It's fun. Like, you're rooting. You're rooting for everybody.

[Bobby Bones]

Would there be two long snappers on the. On the active roster?

[Matt Castle]

No.

[Bobby Bones]

So what if you hurt your ankle in the first quarter? Suck it up. Or is it like at times when they don't kick up?

[Andrew East]

Dude, when they don't kick, they usually

[Matt Castle]

will have like a swing guard or

[Andrew East]

somebody like that that had some tight end, maybe tight end.

[Matt Castle]

Somebody that has some experience. And they'll practice.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

What is it? Once a week or whatever. They'll get out there early and do it just in case that comes. And it has come up before in NFL games where your long snapper gets hurt, like run down on a punt.

[Andrew East]

Yeah. Travis Kelsey was a guy in Kansas City. Yeah, he was a backup. We used to do long snapping practice together.

[Matt Castle]

It's fun. So you'll always have that. But they're 32 long snappers in the league every year. And though if you get an opportunity, it's usually because of somebody's not doing Their job or what?

[Andrew East]

Injury, Injury, injury.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, it's rare.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you ever think I should be center too?

[Andrew East]

No, never. I mean those guys, those guys are way different physical specimens. I lineback like, I think a lot of long snappers were maybe like decent defensive players in high school. Maybe alignment just too small to do anything else. And I was a linebacker, so the coaches loved that I was like kind of athletic. But no, dude, like the o linemen are 330 pounds. It's huge.

[Bobby Bones]

I weighed 250amax with snappers and make a parallel. So when I started doing stand up, I was fortunate that I could sell out theaters pretty quickly. And it wasn't based on how good I was. People would just buy tickets because they would go, we like him, we think he's funny from this. Let's just go watch. And I was able to get better doing pretty big venues. And then I got to be pretty good. I did a special. It was fine. I never got really good, but I got to be pretty good. But other real comedians did not take. I didn't put in my dues as a real comedian according to them, because I didn't play all the small clubs and play for seven people. And I understood their frustrations. But also, what do you want me to do? Right? I'm just, yeah, I'm of course going to play the hand I'm dealt. Because you weren't a long snapper until later on in college, would like the long snappers from like 8 years old on be like, you're not one of us. You're not real. You didn't play the long snapper.

[Andrew East]

Small clubs, I think that's more of a thing now. Like when just it was just turning. When I was coming into college where no one was really like a full time long snapper, there was no system or coaching like there is now with over 10. There was no like rankings until 202009 maybe.

[Matt Castle]

There's rankings deep, bro.

[Andrew East]

That. Yeah. Yes. It's a whole thing.

[Bobby Bones]

So there's that culture now though, where if you're late to the game, they look at you like you haven't put in your time. You're not even. You're not one of us.

[Andrew East]

The Colts guy, Luke, forget his last name. He was a linebacker all through college and then at the pros and then he just a couple of years ago said, I'm just going to long snap. And it was like, like everyone's like, dang. Well, you haven't been doing it. Like what? You just kind of took Our spot Overton is. When Overton left, this guy Luke joined and it was like, well, we all kind of thought, you know, on the sidelines we were going to get one of that spot. So it's, it's more of an insider, outsider mentality now. But it didn't used to be.

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[Matt Castle]

You do a lot of work with your wife. Obviously you guys got the podcast, you wrote the book. Is there ever a time where you've ever wanted to fire because like you guys are. You started your own company. I mean, touch. There's gotta be arguments at times, right?

[Andrew East]

Yes, bro. What do you mean is he married? You talking?

[Matt Castle]

But what I'm saying is you. You guys both come from competitive backgrounds. So who wins those arguments most of the time?

[Andrew East]

Oh my gosh.

[Matt Castle]

And who's willing to give?

[Andrew East]

Sean is so fierce. She graciously is also very humble, which is amazing. I'm so grateful for that. Like she is simultaneously the most talented, ambitious, capable woman I know and the most humble. And she really doesn't have the need to flex, that she needs to be in control or have. I mean, it's the Sean show, you know what I'm saying? Like that book everyone will realize or remember as the book Sean wrote. And I am totally fine with that. Growing up playing long snapper used to not getting any credit, you know what I'm saying? And it's way better for me because I think if the attention started coming my way, I'd just be like an egomaniac where you're like, yeah, yeah, my capsule.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, you'd be in that cap castle. You mean Matt Castle. Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

So.

[Andrew East]

So it's all been wonderful and. And because she's so kind and. And gracious and generous, like, you know, we're. We're able to have a pretty good team dynamic. There are 100, I mean, so often arguments, but we've gotten enough practice. Rough side of. Now that we're better at having those conversations. We've kind of carved out our lanes as far as, you know, what. What our roles are in all different areas of life. And it's been a really good ride. So I. I love that girl.

[Bobby Bones]

What season did you guys do of the world's toughest test?

[Andrew East]

Special Forces.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

Are you trying to do it?

[Bobby Bones]

No, I got invited to do it way early. Do it. No, no, no, no.

[Matt Castle]

Hold.

[Andrew East]

Do it.

[Bobby Bones]

Everybody hold. Hold your horses. What season did you do?

[Andrew East]

Three season.

[Matt Castle]

Four.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, four. Yeah, yeah. So when I was. I got invited to do season two, I didn't even know what the show was. I was in the middle of doing another show that ended up not doing that well. But I thought, I don't wanna do this show. I don't even know what it is. Whatever. You guys, season's what made that show big. Because I don't think it really. I didn't know it. I had a friend that did it, Jamie Lynn, and she was like, you gotta do this show. And so producers called and they're like, do you wanna do it? I was like, I don't think so. Just because I didn't know it.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And I think you guys, season is the one that really made it pop to where now it's cool, dude.

[Andrew East]

It is a really special, unique show. I mean, it's reality tv, but they don't have this dramatic angle to it. It. People who have done it, they'll get, like, tattoos from it. They'll. Nick Vile totally changed his lifestyle. Brie Chicken Fry changed her lifestyle. It's like, dude, in the course of a couple weeks, you really dig deep and you find out something about yourself. And yeah, we went to Morocco. I think season two was a cold season. If we had to deal with the cold, it would have been a whole different beast. I don't know how we would have done, but I love. It was such a fascinating experience because you go in there and I didn't know who else was on the show. They don't tell you. They keep it tight. And so you're meeting all these people for the first time with no access to social media, the Internet, nothing. So, like, you're just judging them based off of how they're interacting with you and the group. And you never get that now, you know what I'm saying? Everyone's wearing the same. Everyone has the same clothes on. So you're not. There's no, like, you know, what are they about by their costume or what they're wearing. It's just like, hey, how are you? I'm Andrew. Good to meet you. And what's your name? And then. And it really allowed for there to be this unique bonding as opposed to automatic. Like, oh, that's not my type. You know what I'm saying? So I loved it. Loved every second of it.

[Matt Castle]

Did you know Decker and Cobb before they were. You guys were on the same season, right?

[Andrew East]

You talk about Randall Cobb from the historic Kentucky football team.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes.

[Andrew East]

Just legendary.

[Matt Castle]

Yep.

[Andrew East]

I. We knew the Deckers, didn't we? We knew of Randall, but I hadn't really spent that much time.

[Matt Castle]

So you had no idea that those guys were even.

[Andrew East]

Not until the Deckers were on our plane in Morocco.

[Matt Castle]

Where are you guys going?

[Andrew East]

To Morocco? Yeah, that's pretty much what it was like. But, yeah, it was awesome. We just had dinner with him last night, and it's like lifelong friendships now.

[Bobby Bones]

So we had. And we both know Eric in different ways, but Eric was doing this show, and it was the day before he was off that show, and we could tell a little something. Something was up.

[Matt Castle]

He really didn't let any cat out of the bag.

[Bobby Bones]

He did.

[Matt Castle]

He couldn't talk about it because the

[Bobby Bones]

season finale, but he was a little sad about it.

[Andrew East]

It.

[Bobby Bones]

But he wouldn't say what he was.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, dude.

[Andrew East]

And, yeah, well, that was after we played Murder Ball, bro. Picture this. We have, like, I think it was like, five or six NFL guys, NFL football players out playing tackle football with no pads. We were getting wrecked. Dude, you're used to laying the hammer because you got Pads and a helmet. I hit Randall Cobb, dude, it was like the purest tackle I had, I had ever had in my life. I lined it up perfect. He didn't even go down. And I felt the whole right side of my body collapse. Dude, that guy is made of steel. And I got hurt. We had Chrissy Rampone get. You're breathing all this dirt. She couldn't breathe, so she had to go home. And then Decker's back was. Dude, he was in bad shape. He could not walk. It was tough to watch, but he was a beast. He was a beast.

[Matt Castle]

What was the worst part of the show or most challenging?

[Andrew East]

I mean, the whole thing from the get go. You go in, you're like, oh, there's no way I'm going to tap out. First night, I remember my body was in like it couldn't regulate the temperature because we had just done this. We were jumping in this cold water in the middle of the desert at 1am and we had just done this crazy, insane workout in the middle of the heat. And my body was all over the place and I was like standing there. I couldn't control my shakes, dude. I'd never shook like that. And I was like, I think I, I'm, I think I'm going to collapse and I'll have to tap out. So the whole time you're like, don't tap out?

[Matt Castle]

Not the first day.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, but you don't have a choice.

[Matt Castle]

And they don't feed you.

[Andrew East]

I lost 18 pounds in 10 days. And so the, the challenge is just the compounding number of variables that they throw your way. It's like you don't know when you're going to wake up. You don't know when you're going to go to bed. You don't know what the day holds. The temperature's crazy, the food's insane. And you're just like, it's all new and overwhelming and it's like it really, really. You either can start thinking about all the variables that you don't know and it'll drive you crazy, or you could just say, I'm just going to focus on what's next and then hopefully I'll make it, you know, just make it to the next thing. That's the goal.

[Bobby Bones]

What was your final on there?

[Andrew East]

I made it to the interrogation and I got annihilated, dude. Oh my gosh, I.

[Matt Castle]

Tell me about that.

[Andrew East]

So they put a bag over your head for like 18 hours. You're sweating, you can't really breathe. It's like this heavy Canvas. And then they put you. Dude, they put you in, like a zip up kind of like mechanic onesie. You know, it's too small, so you couldn't move your arms. But they had you sit in these stress positions for 18 hours, dude. And you're listening to all this, These noises and a headphone. Have you not heard about this? Oh, it's like legitimate torture.

[Bobby Bones]

Then why are you going? You should do the show.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, nothing about this. You have so much fun. We were torn torture for 18 hours. This is not.

[Andrew East]

I literally,

[Matt Castle]

I would say that that

[Andrew East]

was the weirdest thing I'd ever done in my life. So up until then, it was all, like, really cool, formative challenges. And then that was actual, like, this is torture. And I can't believe we're doing this. And then they rip the bag off your head every now and then spontaneously, and you're getting yelled at by this person. You have to have this alibi. And I can't lie for the life of me. So I'm like. They're like, are you married? And I was like, I didn't want to give up Sean. So I was like, no, no. And they're like, your wife's here with Tyson. And I was like, ah, frick.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm done.

[Andrew East]

I'm done, dude.

[Bobby Bones]

So then why is that show so fun? Or is it just when it's over, you look back and you're glad you did it?

[Andrew East]

That part is not fun. To clarify, that torture part is so real. And all of it is like, Johnny Manziel almost died legitimately four hours into it. Cause that first day workout. But you're like, dude, you're. We're grown men here. You know what I'm saying? Everyone on the show is. Has great resumes, and they've accomplished everything, and they're. You never get that opportunity in life to. To push yourself to the limit, to. To. To sign up, to do things involuntarily entirely. You know what I'm saying? It's like. I'm saying, okay, here I am.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, you're the boss. Usually you're not the boss there.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, 100%. And you're like, okay, cool, cool.

[Bobby Bones]

What.

[Andrew East]

What can I learn through that? And it's like, it is so good to be humbled in that sense and so good to be reminded. I mean, the. The military aspect. Those guys are insane. And to hear their stories, you're like, frick, we got all these comforts, man. What am I whining about, dude? They're talking about this, Billy. On there had a baby and he thought he was gonna. He thought he was gonna witness the birth of his child as like his second daughter because he was only going to be deployed for a month. And then he ends up being away for the first year and a half of this kid's life. Missed the birth, the whole thing. It's just like, what am I whining about, dude? And it just totally shifts how you see the world, I think. And it's good to do that as a grown adult.

[Bobby Bones]

That thing where you're usually the boss and then you're not. That happened to me on Dancing with the Stars because I'm in control of everything all the time, for the most part. Right. Everything I do, I've built it, I run it. There's the pressures with it, but there's the great things about it too. And it's not being tortured for 18 hours. But yeah, similar. Especially when you don't know what you're doing. But that was. That experience for me was. I was just told what to do all the time. And it is so humbling because we're not in that place anymore. Rarely do we have to just lean on and learn from and listen to

[Andrew East]

people all the time. I heard that show is brutal, dude.

[Bobby Bones]

They put us in these mechanic uniforms, they put a bag over our head.

[Matt Castle]

Stress torture position.

[Bobby Bones]

And then they make us dance. Is so man. Yeah, it was wild.

[Matt Castle]

Wrong shoes on. Do you still have relationships with any of the special forces guys? Like, do you actually continue to communicate with them after. Yes.

[Andrew East]

I, I'll, I'll probably call each of them maybe like once a month, just like check in and do the memories. It's like cell phone. It's. It's just like a locker room type mentality where it's such a short period of time, but the. It's such visceral moments that you share. You're like, oh, did no one else gets it. No one else knows what it's like to climb the army, crawl through shards of glass and how terrible that was that night. So you're just kind of looking for someone to share it with. So I, I'll, I'll, I'll keep in touch with them. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Final question.

[Matt Castle]

What's.

[Bobby Bones]

What's the honey? You were nice enough to bring us some honey. Is this special honey?

[Andrew East]

We're fourth generation beekeepers. We talk about this in the book. And yeah, this is the family honey. So we have, we have hives in Indiana and down here in Nashville. Bees are amazing. If you don't know about them. They're really cool, but also about them, bro. They have, like, this whole language. There's a whole kind of. They all have roles and, like, those. Like, there's, like, nurse bees. There's a queen bee. There's a worker bees. The way they. I mean, the way they populate a hive is insane. Like, it'll go from a 20,000 beehive to 80,000 a couple months. And it's just like this. They're on there working. You open up the hive, and this. There's this low hum that you're hearing, and they're all just in there doing their tasks. And it's so crazy to see, but this is my. My grandpa Madison. He was a moonshiner and a beekeeper. So we could give you moonshine, but I figured I'd give you the honey right now. We could do the moonshine later. The last thing my grandpa said to my dad before he died was, take care of the bees. And so now we have our kids doing it, too. They have little bee suits, and it's. It's a. It's a fun little family shtick.

[Matt Castle]

That's amazing. I'm getting some bees do it to

[Bobby Bones]

go with your pigs and your couple of chickens left.

[Matt Castle]

And hopefully the raccoon won't eat them.

[Bobby Bones]

Here's the book, guys. It's great. This is the Courage to Commit from Shaun Johnson and Andrew East.

[Andrew East]

Just Shawn Johnson. Yeah. Really? That's how people remember it.

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[Bobby Bones]

Andrew east and also someone else. Yeah. Hey, really appreciate the time. Yeah, this is awesome. We're looking forward to. Looking forward to you coming in and. Yeah, obviously. Basically, Sean's amazing, and I. The funny story, I was working with someone. I always like to know how people are from people that work for folks. And I ran into somebody that had produced a lot of social media for you guys and act like I didn't know you guys at all. And it's not like we're close or anything, but we see. I see you guys. We saw Ethereum. We're like, what's up? You know, you guys are always so nice. And I was like, what do you do? And they were like, well, we, you know, produce. Produce podcast for Sean and Andrew. And I was like. I kind of was leading the. Leading the witness a little bit. I was like, what are they like? You know, hitting them with a tone like, I would understand. Like, I get it. Hot shots are probably hard to produce. I was like, what are they like? And she said, they're awesome to work for. And she just went on and on about how great you guys were to work for, and I thought that was super cool because she didn't have to say that. I tried to get her not to. I really wanted the truth. I was. Was like, are they tough? She's like, no, they're really, like, respectful, and they. And so they. I thought that was a pretty high compliment, but I really tried to get her to give me some dirt. But, yeah, you guys have, like, a wonderful reputation to be a good people, so that's super cool.

[Matt Castle]

Sorry, a little thing you didn't say. She just got a raise the week before.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, maybe. So you guys check out the book, the Courage to Commit. Andrew, really appreciate you coming by. Yeah, that's awesome. And you guys can follow Andrew. Andrew D. E. That's right.

[Andrew East]

And.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And so I'm gonna go read about this thing called. Is it Football? It's like a. It's like a.

[Matt Castle]

It's like a new American sport.

[Bobby Bones]

It's leather, right?

[Matt Castle]

Leather.

[Bobby Bones]

Is that the one we were kicking? Is that the World Cup? No, it's a different football. Got it. All right. All right. There he is. Andrew East. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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