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Bobby Bones
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.
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Matt Castle
When you own your own business, you own every decision. Catch the red eye or take the 6am Make a new hire or promote internally. Celebrate a win with the toast at the gate or unwind at the lounge. Big props to this team. Some decisions are a win win, like
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Bobby Bones
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Matt Castle
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Bobby Bones
Cards issued by JP Morgan, Chase Bank. Any member FDIC subject to credit approval terms apply. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. We got lots to say. We got lots to say. We're glad you're here and we hope you stay. Cause we got lots to say. Yeah, we got lots of to say now here's Bobby and Matt. All right, that's Matt Castle. I'm Bobby Bones. Welcome, everybody. Good to see you again.
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Matt Castle
Great to see you, buddy.
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Bobby Bones
We have Brian Urlocker coming up in a little bit, a guy who's known as one of the NFL's best punters.
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Matt Castle
If he's a punter, I'd hate to see what a linebacker looks like.
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Bobby Bones
When I would. I'm not going to bring this up to him, but when I was in Chicago last few months ago, he. He has a lot of like, hair, hair commercial, like hair billboards.
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Matt Castle
Oh, and he's all about it. He talks freely about it. He's like, he's not one of these guys that act like, oh, well, I just started growing hair in my 30s, late 30s and stuff like that. He will openly tell you he had the procedure. He loves the way his hair looks and he loves having hair. So.
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Bobby Bones
Did you ever line up against him, across from him?
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Matt Castle
We did. We played him multiple times early on in my career because he came in, I think, the league around 2000 or so. But through that 2005, when I first got there, to 2008, when I was with the Patriots, we played them twice and it was the infamous game where Brady acted like he was about to slide. I think it was 2006 and he's one on one with her locker. Well, Earlocker pulls up, so he's not going to blast him. And Brady puts a little foot in the ground and goes by him and it makes Erlocker look silly, like a full juke move. And it's. It was hilarious because I was on the sideline watching this and Brady's running right. I'm like, oh, you better Slide. And he acted like he was so erlocker. Like I said, he totally pulls up. And it makes it look as if Brady's athletic, which he's not. Like one of the best linebackers in the game. He just made him look foolish. And I know, I'm sure he remembers that play.
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Bobby Bones
Kitty Pickett did that, probably the last one to do it. And he did his in college. But they can't do that anymore, right? You can't fake slide anymore.
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Matt Castle
I wouldn't advise. I would advise against it because even when these guys are starting to slide, you can see sometimes these guys are taking that helmet to helmet contact. Well, I had a coach one time, Jim Zorn, tell me you should always dive head first to protect your head more. Because if you go down and give yourself up in a full slide, you're now exposing your chest, your head, everything like that. But some guys will get away with it. Mahomes does it sometimes, even on the sideline, you know, when he acts like he's out. Yeah, and. And it's a savvy move right there. Because it's hard for those defenders. They know that if you get. If you hit a quarterback or do something like that, it's a $15,000 fine. Right. Right away.
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Bobby Bones
How do you feel about diving head first versus the feet first slide?
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Matt Castle
I had to work, like, get comfortable with it because if you feet first slide when there's defenders emerging on you and you're five yards away, you're fine. But it's that last second decision. You're getting close and the he's coming in and then that's when bad things happen. So all of a sudden when I started to feel traffic or somebody's running me down, I'm going to try to protect myself. Head down, away from the contact. And it actually does help.
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Bobby Bones
Does it hurt if they. Even if they're pulling up and they kind of land on your head, it does hurt.
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Matt Castle
Every time you get hit, it usually hurts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially when you're diving.
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Bobby Bones
Like, what if your adrenaline's out? If your adrenaline's up?
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Matt Castle
Oh, yeah, adrenaline matters for sure. Like, there's hits that you take early in the game that you just don't feel the effects because you're just going right. You've got the blood flow, the energy's up, and then it's not until the next day that you start to realize, man, that actually was a pretty good hit.
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Bobby Bones
Are you following the Brendan Sorsby stuff at all, man?
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Matt Castle
Yes, I have been following it. It's Fascinating that he's trying to get eligibility back after he openly admitted to betting on his own team in college football. I can't believe that the NCAA or anybody would reinstate him after finding out the facts of in the depths in which the betting went.
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Bobby Bones
NCAA said no. The court said yes, and it's a yes, but it's an injunction. And we will actually get to this case at this point. But that point is after the season. So he's allowed to play because they will look at the case later on.
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Matt Castle
Oh yeah, I'm not updated.
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Bobby Bones
Wow. He's allowed to play and you're seeing teams. I saw the Georgia athletic director say, we're not scheduling Texas Tech in anything. Take them off the schedule. They're not playing Texas Tech anything. Which I think is funny. So it's a little bit of them going like. And then you heard the Big 12 say, hey, what if we just all decide not to play them? It's really weird. But the NCAA is losing their authority. They've been losing it slowly. They need whatever's gonna happen within Congress, whatever it is, to pass and give them authority. Cuz otherwise they're gonna continue to lose these lawsuits.
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Matt Castle
Right. That's all they've done since basically nil came about. And they lost in the courts. And it's state by state basis. They have slowly but surely lost all their power. They're a governing body with no power. Like they almost. They're bailed out, I think by the Big Ten, the sec. They came in and paid a bunch of money for the NCAA to still exist. But the power that they had or used to have, which was I couldn't go to a dinner with a friend whose dad was an alumni if he bought me a cheeseburger even though it's my teammate. That was an infraction. Right. That's a violation of NCAA rules. We're now these kids can make millions of dollars, buy Ferraris, be given Ferraris, do this, that and the other. So it's. I really would love to find out what their mission statement is at this point.
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Bobby Bones
I think their mission statement is hold on, hold on, hold on. We're going to. We're barely the bosses, but hold on. So he was ruled ineligible by the NCAA after it was discovered he had wagered about 90,000 bucks.
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Matt Castle
That's a lot of money.
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Bobby Bones
On professional and College Sports over four years, including 40 bets involving Indiana football when he was a freshman with the hoosiers in 20. So it's betting on his own team. The NCAA denied Texas Tech's appeal for reinstatement on Friday. But it's not the NCAA who got to have the final say. It was the judge. The judge, Ken Curry, issued the injunction in Lubbock county, which isn't key. Now. Just find a local Alabama.
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Brian Urlacher
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
Finding that Sorsby would suffer irreparable injury if he was barred from playing. If he gets to play, because he's going to be suspended the first two games. And those first two games, I think they're playing my high school, Mountain Pine.
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Matt Castle
Right. Because this first two games, preseason, it
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Bobby Bones
doesn't matter what would keep anybody from gambling on their games, because we just saw Sorsby get to do it right now after the season, he ends up going to court. They say, well, you're ineligible then. Does that mean Texas Tech has to forfeit all their games? But honestly, who cares if you want a national championship? And then after they make you forfeit the gains. Nah, you won the national championship, bro. You may have to take the banner down. Everybody got to experience it. It was awesome. You can claim it. You didn't lose anything.
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Matt Castle
Right. It was the same situation when I was with Reggie Bush at usc. And it came out after he had left. He was already with the Saints. His parents accepted money to put a down payment on a condo or something like that, and they dropped the hammer on usc. They took away his Heisman Trophy. They did all those different things, but everybody knows Reggie Bush was the best college football player, not only that year, but maybe ever. And so you can say, yeah, we took down his Heisman Trophy winner, but everybody knows Reggie Bush was a Heisman Trophy winner, bar none.
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Bobby Bones
He got it back, too, right? Eventually.
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Matt Castle
Then they gave it back.
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Brian Urlacher
You know what?
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Matt Castle
This is pretty stupid. Go ahead. Yeah, you can have your Heisman Trophy back.
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Bobby Bones
If I were him in that process, about halfway through, when I realized they may come and try to take my Heisman Trophy, I would have hired someone to make a duplicate, and that's the one I would have given back. Like, that's how my mind works. Okay. I'm probably. There's a possibility that I'm going to lose or they're going to take my Heisman back based on the infractions that I. They say I committed. I would have gone to, like, you know, number one, a trophy shop down the road. I would have taken my original and said, I need you to recreate this. And then I would have given them that one whenever they wanted it back.
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Matt Castle
Well, I think it was more of a situation because I do believe the Heisman Trophy winner gets their own Heisman Trophy. But then one goes into a casing at the school. So they just basically took the Heisman Trophy out of the school's case.
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Bobby Bones
Oh, they didn't take his.
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Matt Castle
They didn't take his. He still gets to keep his. What, are they going to break into his house and be like, give me your Heisman?
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Bobby Bones
I didn't know if he, like, voluntarily gave it.
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Matt Castle
Like, we have a warrant for your Heisman Trophy? No.
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Bobby Bones
Some people, like, turn themselves in. I don't know. Because this shows up at ncaa. Here's my trophy. You can have it back.
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Matt Castle
Well, that's what you did with Dancing with the Stars.
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Bobby Bones
They both did, or he returned? Both of them.
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Matt Castle
He did.
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Bobby Bones
Really?
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Brian Urlacher
The replica.
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Bobby Bones
And they did take the school window. I never thought that would even be a thing.
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Matt Castle
Yes, they have. So they have this huge display there at USC with all the Heisman Trophy winners from Carson, the Reggie to Line Art to Anthony Davis, all these guys. So we've got like seven Heisman Trophy winners, and it's all in this place called Heritage Hall. And it's really cool. They just took his out and didn't display it and wouldn't talk it into existence anymore, as if it never happened. And I'm like, guys, are you kidding me right now? He's one of the most notable USC players of all time.
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Bobby Bones
Oh, one of the best running backs I ever saw play. Running back.
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Matt Castle
Oh, just an absolute freak of nature in every way.
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Bobby Bones
Did they take his out and close the other ones in to, like, remove the gap? Or did they. Or is there just like, they had, like, a missing tooth?
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Matt Castle
Okay. It's like. It's kind of. Kind of like at the hall of Fame and Cooperstown that I went to, they have all the different, you know, all the different displays, but then they have this little corner and it's kind of like the steroid era corner where They've got Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa, but it's kind of off the beating path a little bit. And it's that kind of feel where, oh, well, these guys should be in the hall of Fame. But they did probably take. They did and take steroids. And so they just put a little display case like this steroid error. I was like, that was the coolest part of baseball ever. Was it?
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Bobby Bones
It was Sosa, McGuire, they saved baseball after the strike with that home run show.
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Brian Urlacher
Home runs.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah. I mean, I didn't know they had steroid corner up there. Yeah.
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Matt Castle
Basically you walk through and they've got, you know, the big Needle and like
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Bobby Bones
liquid coming out of the top.
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Matt Castle
You're like, they've got a picture weightlifting. Yeah, it was wild.
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Bobby Bones
We're gonna talk to Brian. Our locker coming up in just a second. All right, let's bring in NFL hall of Famer, Chicago Bears legend Brian Urlocker. Played 13 years with the Bears. Eight time Pro Bowler. Brian, appreciate you joining us. Before you came on, Castle was telling us a story and I'd be curious to hear your version of it, where he was on the sideline and Brady was going to slide and Brady didn't slide. Do you remember this?
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Matt Castle
He said, do you remember anything about playing Erlacher? I was like, honestly, it was a crazy circumstance ever. Because, man, I. You tell your version, Matt.
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Brian Urlacher
So you. You played with Tom for how many years? What, six, seven years? However long it was.
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Matt Castle
Yeah, four years.
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Brian Urlacher
Dude. You don't people understand how fast he is and how he's. I put him in the same category as Michael Vick. You know, he's really fast and quick. Nah, man, he didn't. I didn't think he was going to slide. He just juked me. Honestly, it was what I remember it was third and six and we needed to stop him on that drive and they. And we ended up getting the first down. But yeah, he juked me, man. It was a good play.
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Matt Castle
Oh, I had a different version. I totally said the version that Brady, which it did appear from the sideline, looked like he was about to slide. So you were doing him a favor by not just run through his chest and so you eased up a little bit and he put his foot in the ground and the next thing you know, he got it and he. The celebration, all that.
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Brian Urlacher
I remember that all he gets up and does his thing. I. I was not expecting him to slide out. I'm not. I'm not going to cop out and say I expect him to slide, but he. He got me, man. That's all there is to it. He got me.
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Matt Castle
What do you think about these Chicago Bears now, dude? They come in and Ben Johnson, what's going on with this organization that's exciting
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Brian Urlacher
right now, you know, Caleb's the biggest difference. I'm Ben. Ben was huge. I hired a head coach who actually knew what he was doing. He's. You know, Ben said he wanted the job. You know, he wanted to go in there and coach Caleb. He saw Caleb his rookie year when he was. Ben was at Detroit. He said he wanted the job, took it and I mean, he's got a lot out of Caleb in his first year, I think he's just going to get better and better. You know, the kids. He. He has a skill set that I don't think a lot of quarterbacks have. He can scramble really well, but he can throw really well as well. Usually it's one or the other you do better. My man does both really well, so he's. He's going to be exciting for a long time there.
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Bobby Bones
A new head coach comes in talking about Ben Johnson. Like, was that the entire difference of one season to the next?
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Brian Urlacher
I think it had to be. I mean, you look at, you know, they have some quarterbacks go through that third of the last, what, probably 30 years. I had 22 different quarterbacks in my 13 years. In the last 10. They. They drafted three or four guys in the first round. It didn't work out, but he came in, he said what he was going to do, he did it. You know, the whole culture changed when he got there that they. I think they won a couple of games that were early on the season that were close, and they kind of got guys believing. And then they won some games they had no business winning all season long. And even the playoff game versus the Packers, I mean, they're. They led for 10 seconds in the whole game, and they just. They did things that weren't supposed to happen. And I think they're going to build on that this year.
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Matt Castle
Is there a true possibility that the Chicago Bears are going to be moving to Indiana? And do you think that that is now something that. I know that you've been against it for a while, but are you starting to believe that it could happen?
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Brian Urlacher
Well, not Indian. I don't want. I don't want them leaving Soldier Field. I think they should play at Soldier Field. You know, you're talking about building the dome and Arlington Heights. So now it would be in him. And financially it makes sense for the Bears organization. You know, they don't own Soldier Field. I think the city of Chicago owns Soldier Field. So on Sundays, they're making all that money. It's not going back to the organization. And I mean, I don't know how that works out. The divvies up, whatever, but mostly goes back to the city. I think the Bears want a bigger piece of the pie, which understandably, you can imagine that. But I think their contract runs out pretty soon and they bought Orange and Heights. Now the state's not giving them what they want, so Indiana might. So, I mean, it makes sense, you know, dollars wide. I think it's only 25 minutes past downtown to get to Hammond. Plus there's a casino there.
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Bobby Bones
There is a casino there.
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Brian Urlacher
That's true, yes.
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Bobby Bones
But it's.
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Brian Urlacher
I may have been there.
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Bobby Bones
It's just weird, though, right, if the Bears aren't even playing in Illinois?
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Brian Urlacher
Well, for me, them not playing in outside is weird. You know, you build a dome in Chicago, I just like. They don't have. There aren't many advantages in the NFL. Whether is one of the slight advantages, I think, because you're used to playing in it, you're never going to play great in it, but you're at least used to the temperature. So I just. I. I'm having a hard time with the whole deal, honestly.
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Matt Castle
Is there going to be a big backlash by the fan base? Because the mystique of Soldier Field, the elements, the history, it. It all goes in a different direction if you leave that field. I feel like.
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Brian Urlacher
So I feel like most of the fans were okay as long as they stayed in Illinois. If they went to Arlington Heights, I feel like they. Most of the fans were on board because the suburbs is actually easier to get in and out of than Soldier Field. So I feel like that might be okay, but with them going to Indiana, I. I don't think they're going to be called the Indiana Bears, but I feel like the fans are not going to be as okay with that as they were. Orange and Heights.
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Bobby Bones
Going from New Mexico to Chicago, a bit of a physical change for you
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Brian Urlacher
in the element you're playing in and population change. Bobby. I went from 750,000 people to 13 million, you know, in a. In a draft. But, yeah, we didn't play in cold weather in New Mexico. We had a couple of games where it might have rained, but it was nothing like what I experienced my rookie year. I had no idea what I was in store for. You know, you hear stories and you watch TV and you see them, you know, the guys breathing out the matt. You know, you played New England and Kansas City. You know what it's like. Neither compared to Chicago. They are. It is freezing. And like I said, it's a. You can use it to your advantage or it can affect you. I think for the most part, we use it to our advantage. When I was there, were you a
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Matt Castle
sleeves guy or no sleeves guy? Because you got. You can't show weakness, right?
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Brian Urlacher
We didn't wear sleeves on defense, you know, I think, well, so my first 10, 10, 11 years, we didn't. And then when Julius Peppers got there, he wore sleeves. That was okay. We didn't mind. We didn't mind Julio wearing sleeves, but. But none of the rest of us wore him. I think it's just a mindset. Plus, when you're on the sideline, you know, they got a million years over there, so you're not really cold in the sideline. It's just when you go on the field and you get stepped on 14 times on your frozen toes when it really annoys you.
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Bobby Bones
At what point in your career did you become the defensive leader?
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Brian Urlacher
So the middle linebacker? And I didn't start until the third game of my rookie year, and I only got. I wasn't even supposed to play Mike. Guy got hurt in front of me. Coach says, go play, Mike. I played the second half versus Tampa and started every game since then. But as a middle linebacker, you're calling the defense, So I think all eyes are on you right out of the gate. But I was still a rookie. I didn't know what I was doing. So I don't think a lot of guys respected me early on. I think after my first. Probably my seventh or eighth game is when guys like, all right, this dude's okay. He can play. I think the better you play, the more they respect you. I think that just goes hand in hand. But it probably took halfway through my rookie year before guys, I didn't really know how to lead, Honestly. I just. I know what I did in college, and I tried to lead by example and do what the coaches said, and I thought that was the best way for me to lead early on in my rookie year.
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Matt Castle
Talk about the communication element of playing the middle linebacker position because you're set in the front.
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Brian Urlacher
Yeah, you're.
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Matt Castle
You got to be on page with the secondary. Everybody has to go in sync, and it starts with you.
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Brian Urlacher
It's huge. You know, people. And it's harder at home because it's loud. Right? You know. You know how it is when you're on the road and you're trying to communicate on third down. It's impossible. So when we were at home, we just had to use hand signals because our fans were so in tune with what was going on, they wanted to be loud. I was fortunate. My first few years, we had Mike Brown. Mike and I were drafted in the same class, and he knew before what was going to happen. He's the smartest guy I've ever played with. He knew what was going to happen before it happened. He's telling me, lack, lack, lack. I'm like, dude, they haven't moved yet. We can't check yet. Mike, just give me a Second and then right when they move, we're both checking. And, you know, the hardest thing is getting it to the front because once they got their hand in the ground, they're not listening, man, so we have to tap them or something. Once they got their hands in the dirt, man, it was over with. So we had to scream. Lance and I are up there screaming in our ears, or we're tapping them, or we're just trying to play off where they're going. But we, we made it pretty simple in Chicago. Coach. Coach Smith did a good job of making it easy for us.
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Bobby Bones
Before you were drafted, were the Bears communicating with you that you would be their guy?
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Brian Urlacher
No. You know, I took a visit to Chicago. I know they had the ninth pick, but Milk Hyper had me pegged there right when the NFL season was over. Milk ever Kuiper was like, the Bears are going to draft their lacquer at number nine. But you don't know. You know, I, I took two visits to the jets pre draft. I think they had the 10th and 11th pick or 10th and 12th, something like that. But I, I did meet with them at the combine, and I did take a trip to Chicago, but you still
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Matt Castle
never know with Lance Briggs. Obviously, you guys were a linebacker tandem that were the best in the NFL for a long period of time. What was it like playing against somebody like that?
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Brian Urlacher
Bless is a man, you know, I mean, if one of us screwed up, the other one just. Just made him right, if that makes sense. We. We played great off of each other. We didn't. We didn't. We could just look at each other and be like, hey, we knew what we were saying with our eyes or whatever. So he was great, man. 10 years side by side with him. He made so many plays. The most instinctive guy I've ever played with. I think lance ran probably a 4, 7, 5 at the combine, but he played at 4, 5. Does that make sense? Yes, because he was. Because he was not thinking on the football field. He was just reactive, man. There's no doubt what he was supposed to do every play. So he played faster than he ran at the combine. So he's one of those rare guys that was just when the lights came on, he was ready to go.
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Bobby Bones
Was there ever a possibility of you returning any kicks in the NFL?
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Brian Urlacher
Hell no, Bobby. In college, I was happy to catch the ball. I mean, we, we didn't have a lot of guys that. I mean, my move was Rob caught the puns in college straight up the field. And there was no, like, you Know, we had Hester a bunch of years. We had a couple guys that made their Pro bowl as well before him. But not. There was no. I mean, I would have been. I would not have been opposed to catching some passes on offense, but the. The pump return and kick return. I know, but I didn't want to. Those dudes get it hard. There's a lot of speed out there.
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Matt Castle
The diverse number of positions that you played in college, do you think that that helped you when you went into the NFL?
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Brian Urlacher
I think it helped me get to the NFL, if that makes sense. I don't think I get drafted where I get drafted if I'm not playing receiver, punt return, you know, the gunner on the punt team and then, you know, free safety on defense. But it did. You know, I played linebacker my first two years in college, but I didn't. Seeing the field from the free safety position, I think helped me a middle linebacker, because you see it from, you know, everything always up from the middle out, if that makes sense. So I think that helped me out. But just being an athlete was. Was my biggest, I think, asset for me.
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Bobby Bones
Was there a tangible difference playing Green Bay than the other division teams?
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Brian Urlacher
Yeah. I mean, our fans and everything just. It's just a different feel. And there's more media in the locker room that week. There's. It's just a different. A different feel for some reason because of the rivalry, how long it's been. It's good to see it's a rivalry again. The Bears finally came back and won some games this year, but there's a difference, you know, right away from. From Monday, when you get in the Locke is. It's a different week for you, preparation wise.
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Matt Castle
Well, speaking of that, you played against Brett Favre. Have you played against Aaron Rogers? What was more of a pill to
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Brian Urlacher
get prepared for, Man, I. I don't want to slide either guy because I got so much respect for both of them. I grew up watching Brett because I was a Cowboys fan, so they. I feel like the Cowboys always played the packers. And I had so much respect for Brett. I played Brett for, I think, seven years. And the thing with Brett, he was always going to give you a chance to get your hands on a couple of passes. Right. But you never caught him because he threw the ball so damn hard. So you may get a tip or something, but you threw it so hard with Aaron, you didn't know if you're gonna get a tip or. Because he was so accurate with the football. He was the guy that was a pain for us, you know, because his mobility was great, but he moved around the pocket to throw the ball down the field. He would give himself a little bit extra time to get somebody open down the field. He gave us fits. And when he. Once he took over there, the. The Tide swung back to their favor. In Green Bay versus us. They started beating our butts. Then I think at the very end, we may have gotten a couple times.
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Bobby Bones
If we go back to the super bowl, can you remember vividly Devin Hester returning that kick?
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Brian Urlacher
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Every video, you can see me on five, sideline jump. I'm at the, like the 30 doing this. And then Bobby, the first series after we kick it up, back off to them. We get a pick on third down from Peyton. Chris Harris picks him off. So we get the ball up 7 0, but get the ball back, and then it all went downhill from there. But yeah, that. That play. I can't believe they kicked to him. I was shocked because no one kicked to him the last six games of the year. It's like we're kicking out of bounds. We're not giving Devin a chance. And they're like, oh, we're going to cover the kick. And he made him pay.
- [23:41]
Matt Castle
Could you. Could you go back to this day and watch that game or you're just over it? You're one of those guys that got close.
- [23:48]
Brian Urlacher
You know, I can watch it. I mean, it's. It stinks. There's one player that stands out to me that I didn't make, man. We caused a fumble. I think Mark Anderson caused a fumble. And all we've been taught to do is scoop and score, scoop and score. That's all we did in practice. The ball's on the ground. We picked it up and scored even. It was incomplete. Pass, scoop and score. What do you think I did? I tried to dive on it, man. And I was a good athlete back then. I could have picked it up and scored, you know, and then I always. We got the ball, but we didn't score on that drive. And I always think about that play because we end up losing the game, obviously. But I'm thinking if you pick that ball up, you score. No doubt. There's no doubt I score. There's nobody in front of me, but I just try to dive on like an idiot. And we get the ball and we don't score, and then we end up lose anyways. That's a terrible, terrible memory. Appreciate it.
- [24:29]
Matt Castle
That's Bobby's idea.
- [24:30]
Bobby Bones
It was not.
- [24:30]
Brian Urlacher
Thanks, Bobby.
- [24:31]
Bobby Bones
Do you have a favorite Touchdown. Your own.
- [24:36]
Brian Urlacher
I didn't have that many. I think four though, right? I think I had four. On defense. I caught it. I caught A pass in 2001 versus the Redskins on the fake field goal. It was like 47 yards which was. Was pretty cool to me. The pick versus Brett. Now all of them are awesome. How about that? Can I just pick all five? Because I didn't score that many.
- [24:56]
Bobby Bones
I only had four. Here is defensive. I didn't know about the one that you caught on the. On the. The fake field goal.
- [25:00]
Brian Urlacher
Fake field go. Yeah, that was. That's probably my favorite because I, you know, pretty decent athlete back then. So just to. To catch a pass and Brad Maynard. People don't understand how good punters throw, Matt. You probably do because you, you know, they're always handling the ball in practice. But Brad Marin threw a great ball. They didn't guard me. They saw me go in motion and they just let me go. And then Brad threw me a perfect pass and we ended up winning the game. 2015. It was a big win for us during the season.
- [25:23]
Matt Castle
What was it like playing for Lovey Smith?
- [25:25]
Brian Urlacher
Awesome. I love Coach Smith, man. It was like playing. I mean he's one of those guys you do not want to disappoint. You know, he never said a curse word in practice. In a game, if you said darn or dang, you're like, we are in trouble. It's like, what did we do? But he was just such a great man. Still is. I still talk to him now. He lives here in Scottsdale. Yeah. He just didn't want his open door policy. You can always go talk to him about anything. Just. Man, he just. You didn't want to let him down. I'll tell you one thing our team was when he was there is we were prepared. There was never any doubt on Sunday what your job was every single play. And I appreciate that now. I appreciate it back then too because you just. It's. It's a hard game, you know, I mean how hard it is to get prepared and everything that they could throw at us, we. We were ready for.
- [26:09]
Bobby Bones
You're playing in the ACC golf tournament again this year and talking, right?
- [26:12]
Brian Urlacher
Yes. America's country championship.
- [26:13]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [26:14]
Matt Castle
So.
- [26:14]
Bobby Bones
And people can get tickets now. Eventbrite.com do you. Are you practicing a lot leading up to it or are you just playing a lot and hopping in?
- [26:23]
Brian Urlacher
So I play four days a week anyway and I just try and catch my game at the right time. I. I know I can't win. That's just the way it's. I mean, there's probably about six guys that can win that thing. I unfortunately, am not one of those guys, but I love it. I love the competition. I love partnering up with those other guys from different sports, from acting. And we know we spend five hours on the golf course walking and talking, but it's fun. And there's. God, there's so many fans out there now. 17's got to have 25,000 fans on it when you're hitting that shot on the part three. So it's just. It's just fun.
- [26:51]
Matt Castle
I definitely played in that tournament and I have two vivid memories. My. It was the second tee box, you know, that narrow. It goes out, there's a little bit of a lake on the right hand
- [27:00]
Brian Urlacher
side on the right and there's 11 is on the left. Yeah.
- [27:04]
Matt Castle
My first tee shot, I ricochet off a tree, comes back three feet in front of the tee box. I hit the next one into the water. I walk the rest of the thing. Didn't hit another shot because I was already dropped. Yeah, I had to pick up.
- [27:16]
Brian Urlacher
I'm the same way once I. Once I'm going for double, it's in my pocket. I'm not going to waste my time. Not going to waste swings that I know are not going to be good anyway, so I'm not going to waste them.
- [27:24]
Matt Castle
What's your favorite act that you've seen since going to the American Century tournament?
- [27:28]
Brian Urlacher
Like, music wise?
- [27:29]
Matt Castle
Yeah, because they put on. They have some great talent, dude.
- [27:31]
Brian Urlacher
They have some good shows. So I'm a big Rascal Flats fan. At the very beginning, Rascal Flats came Imagine Dragons was there one year. To be honest, I haven't gone the last couple years because they're the way to crowd. Was there one year that was cool. But I haven't, you know, I haven't really gone the last couple years, but this year Rascal Flats is coming back for the concert. So I'm excited about that.
- [27:50]
Bobby Bones
What about playing. Who have you played with? You became friends with that. Really? You probably never would have crossed paths with Devin Mala.
- [27:57]
Brian Urlacher
You guys know Malari played for the Red Sox. But I mean, Jack Wagner, the actor. I played with Jack and he's one of the nice. He's been. I think Jack's played in all 37 of these things or something like that. That's the oldies, by the way.
- [28:09]
Bobby Bones
Millar's awesome. I knew Millar from Austin.
- [28:12]
Brian Urlacher
Great.
- [28:12]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, he.
- [28:13]
Brian Urlacher
Oh, yeah, there you go.
- [28:14]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. I lived in Austin for like 12 years and he. Him and I became buddies there when he was doing. And he still probably does the MLB stuff from his house, but he had a little studio in his house and nailed it. Go out and play golf all day. Like, that was the life.
- [28:25]
Brian Urlacher
I mean, he never shuts up. Isn't it amazing? I love it. And he's the one guy who I want to beat at this tournament. Like, I want to beat everybody, but he's. If I beat every. If I finished 98 and he's 99th, I did my job. I just want to beat him.
- [28:37]
Matt Castle
What's the highest you've actually finished?
- [28:40]
Brian Urlacher
I think I was fifth or seventh one year. I was in. I was in, like, fourth place going to Sunday, and Sunday didn't work out too good for me. They didn't go the way I wanted to.
- [28:49]
Bobby Bones
Is it always Marty? Is he the one?
- [28:52]
Brian Urlacher
It's Marty. So there's five guys. Marty Pavelski, Mark Mulder can win it. Tony can win. Tony's won three or four. He gets it a mile. Who else am I thinking of? Ronin doesn't play anymore. Ronick was up there for a while. I'm leaving somebody out. But Marty. Marty's one, I think three or four. And Pavelski is the new guy. That's Aaron Hicks. I don't know if y' all know Aaron Hicks, the baseball player. I'm not sure if he's in the field this year, but that dude's been winning all these tournaments they play in, the celebrity tournaments that everyone plays in.
- [29:20]
Matt Castle
Man, it sounds. Sounds like a fun time. I wonder if they'd let me back in because I said no. Two years in a row. Did not get died again.
- [29:27]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. I was just talking to the guys here. Like, I. I played the Pebble Pro Am, and if you didn't show up, it was no more.
- [29:34]
Brian Urlacher
Yes.
- [29:35]
Bobby Bones
And then I would talk to my agent. He goes, hey, I'll try to get you in at.
- [29:39]
Matt Castle
ACC.
- [29:39]
Bobby Bones
And then that would have. He goes, nobody's. Nobody leaves. He's like, people have to die or you have to, like, have won a championship and something. So it's so hard to even get in. So if you.
- [29:49]
Brian Urlacher
I mean, I can't believe it. No. No offense, Matt. I can't believe they wouldn't. I mean, if you said you wanted to get in, they probably get you in. You're a big deal.
- [29:56]
Bobby Bones
Matt.
- [29:56]
Matt Castle
You bump.
- [29:57]
Brian Urlacher
Matt's already. Matt's already.
- [29:58]
Matt Castle
I've already passed.
- [29:59]
Brian Urlacher
Yeah, done that. He's like. He's too big for the inv. Down. That's Not a big deal, but I know people.
- [30:05]
Matt Castle
I know Brian Erlacher, hall of Famer.
- [30:07]
Brian Urlacher
I don't know anybody, though. Yeah, well, I just don't say no. I love it, man. It's. So when they ask you to do something, do it and. And be nice to the fans. It's not that hard.
- [30:15]
Bobby Bones
Isn't it cool? Everybody kind of has their. Their walls down. All of these people in industries, they have to be protected, and they have their people and they got to be cool. But at events like this, everybody's just chill, and you have to be or you don't get invited back.
- [30:30]
Brian Urlacher
Yeah, you got to be a human being and be and like a normal guy. I mean, some people have their security. Like, you know, you have those. There's a handful of people that have their security and this and that. But, man, it's a. It's a chill week in the food tent. Everyone's normal. That's what I like. You go in there, everyone's normal. Or even the events at night time, there's no security. There's just the. The don't do that. The karaoke thing is fun to watch, too. I will not do it. But I like going there and watching people do it.
- [30:54]
Matt Castle
Is. Does David Wells still come to the tournament?
- [30:57]
Brian Urlacher
Well, is he still there? Yep. Last year. He's saying. I don't know what he's saying, but, yeah, he's still there. Boomer's still there.
- [31:03]
Matt Castle
The funny part about him. So this is a pretty funny story. And this is not to throw shade on Jerry Rice at all. He just got done with a round. He'd signed some kids stuff, and he's walking down, there's a bunch of kids right there. They're all asking him to sign something. We're lined up for those shuttles back to the casino, right? And Halsey is with me. And the next thing you know, he sees Jerry, like, just, look, I'm. I'm good.
- [31:24]
Brian Urlacher
I'm.
- [31:24]
Matt Castle
He's walking straight. And David Wells goes, just sign the kids jersey.
- [31:29]
Brian Urlacher
Yeah.
- [31:30]
Matt Castle
He doesn't look up like, what the hell? He signed one.
- [31:33]
Brian Urlacher
Kids.
- [31:34]
Matt Castle
He does not care about anything.
- [31:36]
Brian Urlacher
Because if you sign one, you're sign 100, right?
- [31:39]
Matt Castle
I appreciate it. Like, I knew what Jerry was doing. He had already signed some kill stuff up here. But Wells had no filter whatsoever. The funniest thing I've ever seen.
- [31:47]
Brian Urlacher
He still has no filter. He don't care.
- [31:49]
Bobby Bones
All right, last question about the Bears. I want to go back to the Bears for one final question. Were you ever a bit Bored that you wore the same uniforms over and over again without a lot of change.
- [32:01]
Brian Urlacher
About actual uniforms.
- [32:02]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, like the. What? You know, it's standard Bears uniform.
- [32:06]
Brian Urlacher
I never thought about it, honestly. I'm on. All I know is my socks had to be above my knees. I had to wear the shoes. All I cared about was being conforming to the rules of the NFL Every week, what they put in my locker. We did get to where the orange juices a couple times and we had the throwbacks, which are my favorites. We wore those on Monday night versus Green Bay. But 2010. But no, man, I don't care. I thought. I think our uniforms are pretty cool. People see those areas, like, oh, that's the Bears. You know, there's not a whole lot to it, which I like.
- [32:31]
Matt Castle
Brian, you also have a son that transferred from Notre Dame to usc.
- [32:36]
Brian Urlacher
Yes.
- [32:36]
Matt Castle
Yeah. I'm a Trojan, daddy. I'm a Trojan. How's he like it out there? How's Lincoln Rodney treating us, Coach?
- [32:43]
Brian Urlacher
I saw Coach Riley yesterday. Actually, I was at a golf tournament. He was there for Marcus Allen. He loves it, man. It's. What a. I mean, history. I mean, they got so many great players coming through there. This NIL thing has changed the world, Matt, as you know, for college football. But he went to Indy for a year and he ended up transferring to sa. Now he should be starting. He started the last five games last year, got a pick at Oregon, which was cool. And then hopefully he should start this year unless someone beats him out, you know, got to play good. So there's a lot of competition out there.
- [33:10]
Bobby Bones
Brian Erlacher, go see him. He's one of the guys playing Steph Romo, Rogers, Rice, Smoltz, all those guys. Tickets@eventbrite.com hey, Brian, really appreciate the time, man. Hope you have a great rest of the day.
- [33:22]
Brian Urlacher
Thank you, guys. Nice talking to y'.
- [33:23]
Bobby Bones
All.
- [33:23]
Matt Castle
Thanks, man.
- [33:24]
Brian Urlacher
See you, brother. Take care.
- [33:41]
Bobby Bones
Now it's time for situational awareness. Here's my first question to you. You are the starting quarterback of a team. Your number one wide receiver has been demanding a trade all off season. Do you respect his wishes or do you call him and try to get him to say to stay?
- [33:57]
Matt Castle
Man, everybody has different reasons for wanting to leave or do that. I would always have. I would hope to have a relationship with my number one wide receiver. And if I didn't, then shame on me. You got to find a way to breakthrough and create that cohesiveness with the. Especially with a guy that you're going to depend on. But at the end of the day, business is business. They all have their reasons for doing it. So I respect it. I would always probably try to call and see if I could get him to stay. Changes mindset. But at the same time be open to what the, what the reasoning is and respect that as well.
- [34:29]
Bobby Bones
Did you. And you, you act, we said, led me to think that you tried to have relationships with your number ones like you, purposefully with intention, like let's have dinner, that type stuff.
- [34:39]
Matt Castle
Right.
- [34:39]
Bobby Bones
Was that something that you try to do every season?
- [34:41]
Matt Castle
I tried to every season, the off season, bring guys over to the house for barbecue, rent out a place to have not only the offensive lineman, the wide receivers, everybody get together. I think that camaraderie that you build with your guys, when you care about one another and actually know one another, you're going to play harder for them. Right. It's not just about your individual effort, but at the same time, you don't want to let the guy down to your left, down to your right, or just in general your team. So I thought it was always a pivotal part of building good team chemistry was having everybody get together and get to know each other on not that superficial level where we're all have to go to workouts, we have to do this, it's off the field. So I always tried to make a conscious effort to do that.
- [35:22]
Bobby Bones
All right, hit me up.
- [35:23]
Matt Castle
All right, here we go. Bobby, a five star recruit is on his visit to Arkansas and they're getting blown out. What's the first thing you say to them when you run into them on the sideline?
- [35:33]
Bobby Bones
I get it, dude,
- [35:38]
Matt Castle
but you can make the change.
- [35:40]
Bobby Bones
No, I know what you're thinking, man. And you know what? For you and your family, it's probably best you go somewhere else because it ain't gonna get good soon.
- [35:50]
Matt Castle
That's amazing.
- [35:51]
Bobby Bones
I'm. I'm distraught. I'm just.
- [35:54]
Matt Castle
Is there any hope for this season?
- [35:56]
Bobby Bones
I'm. No, no, I don't think so. No, I'm distraught. As a Razorback fan, I am distraught at the whole situation. All of it from like money even, like money I've been given. Like, I don't even know if I'm gonna give them money anymore. Like, you have no idea the hundreds of thousands of dollars, hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars I've given that athletic program through donations in nil.
- [36:21]
Matt Castle
Why don't you just make put a building up or something instead? Well, yeah, I mean, it will last longer than them spending money in nil on an 18 year old kid, never produces.
- [36:31]
Bobby Bones
It's just bad. It's just bad vibes all around.
- [36:34]
Matt Castle
What's their most competitive sport at Arkansas?
- [36:36]
Bobby Bones
Oh, basketball. Awesome. And I love Coach Cal. I don't know the head coach now. Silverfield.
- [36:42]
Matt Castle
Okay.
- [36:43]
Bobby Bones
He came from Memphis. I don't know him. Hope he does a great job. It's literally my favorite thing in the whole world is Arkansas sports other than my wife, our baby, me. Like I said wife and baby. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, great. But yeah, like the administration there has made me start to go do I love it as much as I thought I once did? Like that's how bad. It's not just losing, it's just like. It's just bad news, man. My brother in law is the head coach at Tulsa softball now. So I'll be writing them a fat check that Arkansas would have been getting.
- [37:11]
Matt Castle
Let's go.
- [37:12]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [37:13]
Matt Castle
Was that recent?
- [37:14]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. He got the job while you're away in Cooperstown.
- [37:17]
Matt Castle
Unbelievable. Congratulations to him.
- [37:19]
Bobby Bones
They went to the College World Series. First time Arkansas softball has ever been. Final eight. And then you got the head coaching job at Tulsa. So he's going over there to coach now.
- [37:26]
Matt Castle
Oh, this will be his first time being a head coach. Right.
- [37:28]
Bobby Bones
It's 31 head coach and so yeah, let's. Let's win some games in the American Tulsa. Let's go. Tulsa. I don't know, it's just. I'm not in the spirits.
- [37:37]
Matt Castle
But now you've got a new team to cheer for.
- [37:39]
Bobby Bones
Five star recruit. My wife likes Oklahoma.
- [37:43]
Matt Castle
You might want to think about going there.
- [37:45]
Bobby Bones
You might want to go there. That's how.
- [37:48]
Matt Castle
So you're a die hard to employ but you're just disgusted. Disgusted.
- [37:51]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. I've been beat so much and it's not even just losing. It's like even the people running it. I don't what's. What's even happening here.
- [37:57]
Matt Castle
How quickly would you jump back on the bandwagon though?
- [37:59]
Bobby Bones
They go out, there's no bandwagon. When the season starts I'm ready to go. I'm fired up. I'm just not going to give them as much money as I used to. And I don't really like the people running it.
- [38:07]
Matt Castle
Say they made the playoff would now you give them more money the next year.
- [38:10]
Bobby Bones
I'll end up probably giving them money anyway after, even after saying all this because it's usually how it happens but right now I'm just not good. I just, it just my, my mental health is not good with that. But basketball is great. Cal's great. We went to the Sweet 16 two years in a row. Softball's good. Baseball, we got to the region. We're. We're generally good in everything but football.
- [38:34]
Matt Castle
So they need football, though.
- [38:36]
Bobby Bones
They have to have football to pay for.
- [38:39]
Matt Castle
Exactly. Or you can.
- [38:40]
Bobby Bones
Stupid. Matt, your kid says, dad, I need poster board for school tomorrow. It's already 10pm what's the move?
- [38:48]
Matt Castle
No chance am I getting you a poster board at 10pm we're both just being.
- [38:53]
Bobby Bones
We're just disgusted with everything we're hearing.
- [38:55]
Matt Castle
If you come and approach me around seven, eight, maybe I'll make a trip down. Because if you get it at 10, that means you get home at, say, closer to 11, because it's 20 minutes there, 20 minutes back, and then they still have to do a project before school in the morning. No, that's on them. They're going to take the zero, and they're going to learn from their mistake. You would go out and get a poster board for your kid?
- [39:18]
Bobby Bones
Well, she's 12 weeks old, so I'm
- [39:20]
Matt Castle
wondering, this is more.
- [39:21]
Bobby Bones
How do you even know what a
- [39:22]
Matt Castle
poster board is or a hypothetical? It's obviously.
- [39:26]
Bobby Bones
No, it'd be a learning lesson.
- [39:28]
Matt Castle
Yes, it's gotta be a learning lesson.
- [39:29]
Bobby Bones
It'd be a learning lesson.
- [39:30]
Matt Castle
Yeah, that's on them.
- [39:31]
Bobby Bones
All right, next up.
- [39:32]
Matt Castle
All right, Bobby. A caller starts telling a story, and 45 seconds in, you realize it's going nowhere. Are you cutting them off and trying to land the plane or just hanging up on them?
- [39:43]
Bobby Bones
I'll know before 45 seconds. I'll know within 15 seconds. This is a good caller or not. I have signs with my producer, Raymundo, to, if they take a breath, turn the call down. So we've been doing this a long time, and I don't have 45 seconds to let somebody tell a terrible story that's not going to get to an end. So if a caller is not performing to the level or telling even the story they said they were going to tell, sometimes I'll see on the screen what they want to talk about and they'll go into something else. All I have to do is cock my head to the right just a little bit. Raymundo, my producer, sees that, and the first time they suck in on a breath, he pulls their level down and I jump right and be like, oh, man, that's great. I really appreciate you calling. So there's no 45 seconds. You got about 12 to 15, and you better be talking about what you said you were going to talk about because people are going to be punching out and I can't have people punching out.
- [40:29]
Matt Castle
Do you have people that call in consistently on your show? Like the same caller that.
- [40:34]
Bobby Bones
We have a few that call a lot. It's kind of hard to get through, but we have a few that will fight and get on. So there's two things. One, it's getting through because we probably have 15 lines. One, it's getting through at all. Not getting a busy signal. Two, it's getting through our phone screener, Abby, who you have to tell a story to and say what you want to say that's so compelling that we're going to put you on. And then three, it's us having the time to get to the call. So there's already three layers. And so by the time it gets to you and she tells you, turn your radio down as soon as he says your name, go right to the story. And so that's it. And if it's not, I got a show to do. And if they take a breath and it's not good, that breath is what allows us to pull the level down.
- [41:17]
Matt Castle
And you never know what is the most memorable calling. Do you have one of like, something that was like, wow, that was pretty good.
- [41:25]
Brian Urlacher
Hmm.
- [41:29]
Bobby Bones
We had a guy that would call a lot and he was a brand new artist. And he's like, I'm just trying to make it. And he would call again, I'm just trying to make it. It was really nice. And I was like, fine, play your music over the phone. He played it and over the phone, you really can't tell much, right? So he'd play and we'd be like, oh, cool. He lives in North Carolina and he called four or five times. A super nice dude. His music was actually okay. I then went and went to, like, his Instagram and listened to his music. And so we play a little bit of it on the show. And he was in town, he said, hey, I'm coming by. Can I come by the studio? We'd already talked to him so many times, I thought, great, we'd love to meet you. Come on up to the studio. So he gets up to the studio. Really nice guy, like, really good looking guy. Had played college baseball. He turns out he now plays for the Texas Tailgaters in the Banana ball league.
- [42:21]
Matt Castle
No way. Some new bananas.
- [42:22]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. And so he's a singer for the Texas Tailgaters and he plays ball with. And he went on American Idol this last year. Didn't make it all the way through, but like he's good, right? And he plays on the Texas tailgater, so he plays at the sold out shows and they were playing in Fayetteville a few months ago and he called and he said, hey, do you want to come be the celebrity, you know, banana ball person? And we were leaving. I couldn't.
- [42:44]
Matt Castle
Oh, I would have loved it.
- [42:46]
Bobby Bones
But when I think about like organic things that happened, right. That to me is the most fun guy. Just calling. We're just asking for advice, just leaving voicemails. We talked to him on the phone, we're playing his music. He ends up up being a Texas tailgater and ends up inviting me. So that to me is like a super fun story.
- [43:01]
Matt Castle
Very cool. In real life.
- [43:03]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, in real life. His name's Jason Arendt. A R E N D T, I believe is how you spell it. We still root for him. Like I watch for him when he plays. I'm rooting for that dude. You're a backup quarterback. Your starter is struggling, but nobody has said anything to you yet. Are you mentally getting ready or pretending not to notice while maybe staying loose?
- [43:24]
Matt Castle
Hopefully I was always mentally ready. Even though when you take, what was it about an eight year hiatus from them saying you're an ankle sprain away and not getting on the field and always being in the you there, there are times where complacency sets in a little bit. Like, man, okay, I know you said today might be the day, but it still hasn't. But when you see a starting quarterback struggle and you kind of know the dynamics of a room, right? If you're a guy that's been a veteran, like I've been on certain teams, and you've got a younger guy that you're helping develop and helping to have that relationship, you're trying to get him one out of the doghouse in terms of his where he's at mentally, right? You're trying to encourage him, say, hey, we got to do this, that and the other, and keep trying to push him forward during the game. At the same time you start to feel that energy start to shift toward, look, you better get yourself ready because if this keeps going this direction, sooner or later they're probably going to make a change. And it might be late in the game, it might not be in the middle of the game because that wasn't never communicated. They're going to let him fight through his own demons and battle through those difficult times and the adversity, but you better get ready to go because it might be the third or fourth quarter where they finally say, look, this game's out of hand. Castle going there, and just. And they might want to just switch it up. So it's. It's definitely a tough dynamic, though, because you have relationships with those guys. Most of the time. You're not ever looking for those guys to fail.
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Bobby Bones
All right, last one. Hit me.
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Matt Castle
All right, Bobby, you're changing a poopy diaper. And realize halfway through you don't have wipes. Are you calling for backup, or are you trying to improvise your way out of it?
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Bobby Bones
If I'm changing a poopy diaper by myself, there is no backup.
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Matt Castle
No backup.
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Bobby Bones
My wife is gone. Now, I've changed many a poopy diaper by myself, but it's. When my wife is gone, she's not even in the house, so there is no backup. It is all improvisational. The first thing that I'm doing is I'm using the diaper as a wipe. Because I've had to do this 100%. Yeah. And I've had to learn this through just necessity. So poopy diaper. Oh, God, no wipe. The first thing I do is I take the front side of the diaper and I wipe it down, right? Then what I'm gonna do is get as much off of the diaper and hold the baby out as far as I can and walk until I can find a wipe of sort. Now, I have found washcloths that I've had to wet and use when we had no wipes. And that washcloth gets thrown away immediately. It doesn't even. It doesn't even throw away.
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Matt Castle
Throw it in the laundry.
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Bobby Bones
Nope, no laundry. It's dead. Poop, then. Dead. That's the order of the washcloth.
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Matt Castle
There's that one pink eye that got you. Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
Yes. It's very much an improv act whenever I'm changing the baby anyway, because I always forget the stuff. Or if I'm giving her a bath and my wife's not there, because there are certain things gotta be a certain time. Gotta wash hair, gotta do lotion, gotta have. And I forget about half the stuff, right? And so I'm creating new methods of doing the same thing. There are also times where maybe I just don't wash the hair and put a little water on it. Be like, it's what? You know, just.
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Matt Castle
Yeah, it smells good. You're fine. Yeah, it's over the baby lotion that they put on anyway. You can't. It'll take away any scent.
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Bobby Bones
That's a good point. You know what I Use. Sometimes I take a bath. My baby soap. It's so soft.
- [46:28]
Matt Castle
So soft.
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Bobby Bones
It's also good. It's so soft and it smells so good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [46:33]
Matt Castle
I'll even wash my hair with it. If I would run out of, like, normal shampoo or conditioner, I'm like, I'm using the baby soap.
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Bobby Bones
It's awesome. And the lotion. Her lotion tastes sweet.
- [46:42]
Matt Castle
Taste.
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Bobby Bones
It's an accident, but if I.
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Matt Castle
Tell me how you ended up tasting lotion.
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Bobby Bones
Well, because I, like, licked my finger or something once after, there was, like, lotion on the back of it. I was like, not bad. I see why. Maybe a baby wouldn't mind if they lick their lotion, but it's a total improv show with me, with the baby, for sure. All right, that's it. How was Cooper sound, by the way?
- [47:04]
Matt Castle
It was amazing. It was. We were there for a whole week, Saturday to Saturday. My son's team played really well. They were 4 and 2. They got knocked out in the first round of bracket play. But I think the cool part about it was there was so many kids on the team that had a moment. Like, one of the kids who's the coach's son hit a grand slam. My son had a great tournament. He hit five home runs and, like, just really cool experience. It was, well run by the Dreams Park. Cooperstown Dreams park. They've had 22 fields, 104 teams. It was. But if you're there for a baseball tournament, it was amazing. And then we got to go to the hall of Fame.
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Bobby Bones
How was that?
- [47:42]
Matt Castle
It was awesome. I mean, we probably need to spend about another three hours because as an adult who has an appreciation for it, there's so much literature there about reading and jerseys and the history of the game and all that stuff that we kind of got through it probably about two hours or so. And that was enough for the kids because you're walking with your three kids. But it was so cool to see some of these relics and the Lou Gehrigs of the world, the Hank Aarons, the Willie Mays, and the actual jerseys that they wore and the spikes and the bats and everything else. It was just really cool experience. And then they had some good restaurants. The hotel we stayed at was right on this beautiful lake. So it was pretty cool that right downtown, a block away from downtown area. And so it was a great experience.
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Bobby Bones
Well, thanks to Brian Urlocker, great guest, Matt Castle, Brandon Ray. Kickoff. Kevin. I'm Bobby Bones. We've had lots to say. We will see you guys. Next week, Lots to say With Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcast. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast, guaranteed.