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Who are the 25 greatest football players to grace the gridiron since the year 2000? Introducing NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and an all star cast of media personalities including Mina Kimes, Steve Wych, Kevin Harlan and more. For a look at football's best since the turn of the century. Listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years, starting on June 30 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. We got lots to say. We got lots to say. We're glad you're here and we hope you stay. Cause we got lots to say. Yeah, we got lots to say. Now here's Bobby and Matt. What's happening? How you doing, bud?
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Doing great. Refreshed after a great fourth of July weekend.
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What'd you guys do?
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So we did not go to Montana, but we stayed here. We had four families come over. My girls had a few friends come over and we, we raged. I set up the slip and slides with the little kiddie pools for bases. We played outdoor kickball, the parents versus kids. It was awesome. Went swimming, barbecued, did burgers, dogs. And then I got a bunch of fireworks and Just let it rip.
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Did you go to a side of the highway tent to get your fireworks?
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So I'm kind of in a great position here because one of my buddies went to school with a guy that owns one of those tents, and so he's able to call and say, hey, this is got a guy who knows a guy and he'll show up with a boatload of fireworks and just rock and roll.
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That's cool. We've had people shooting fireworks here for like five days. It's really starting to. You burn me up. Because I have dogs. Everybody has dogs. But my dogs are really scared of fireworks. Common July 4th. No problem, right? Shoot them. We Benadryl the dogs up so much and we called our vet, who's close friend, she's like, it's fine. Give them Benadryl, especially if they're gonna like be a detriment to themselves.
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Right.
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So we've been adriel them up and it's July 4th. Shoot all the fireworks you want. Maybe a little annoying to me, but that's okay. So I'm. I can't tell you how to shoot fire. July 5th, like 10pm Go ahead and shut it down.
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Yeah, I mean, I'd say the day before July 4th, because you're kind of getting the excitement going, July 4th, cool. But after that, it's over.
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And I would say it's fully over too. But I don't want to be the guy that's, you know, got his fist up at the clouds like, oh, man, get off my yard. So, okay, 10:00pm July 5th. That's fine. They were still shooting him on July 6th.
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Now that's ridiculous.
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And how did you not shoot them all? If you're that much into fireworks, how did you not shoot them all on the fourth or even the fifth?
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Exactly.
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Yeah. Are you so passionate? I mean, have you taken and rationed out your fireworks?
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Yeah. Every day we're allowed to shoot this many and we're gonna save these things. And it's gonna be ongoing. No, you have to cap it.
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And also, it's like we're in the city.
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I know. I was gonna say, where are these fireworks going?
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I don't know.
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You are in a very urban area. Yes.
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And they're going off every night. So, yeah, death penalty, jail.
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But the dogs are still alive somewhat after. After five days worth of Benadryl.
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Like non stop Vietnam.
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See you next week.
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It's like, yes. And I don't know what they think. You know, what do they think the aliens are coming in or again, Reminds me like Forrest Gump when he goes to Vietnam. Where bit me. So, yeah, we've been doing that. We did go see F1. Have you seen that?
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I haven't yet. Is it great?
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Yeah.
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I can't wait.
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And it reminds you that Brad Pitt's awesome.
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I'm a big Brad Pitt fan.
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I forget how big of a Brad Pitt fan I am until I'm reminded I'm a Brad Pitt fan by watching what Brad Pitt does.
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Yeah. And he always makes solid films as well.
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It's good. You'll like it.
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Yeah.
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I don't know much about racing, so I went in. I know a little about nascar, but I mean, very little. Considering I grew up in Arkansas, I should know far more.
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Right.
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Never really was a NASCAR guy, so I know even less about F1. I can name one racer, driver.
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I can do that.
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Lewis Hamilton. That's it. He wears Rolex on both arms. It's awesome.
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While he drives, he wears.
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No, no, that would be a boss move.
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That would be a boss going down the track. He's got two Rolexes. What time is it now?
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He look up his net worth. I think I looked it up. It's half a billion dollars.
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Half a billion dollars as a race car driver.
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And so I know of him. I'm not even sure if he's the best driver now, but he consulted. He's in the movie. Not with a part, but they show him a little bit. It was really good. And my wife, and she's the one who wanted to go to the theater because I don't like going to the movie theater. People are annoying. They have their phones up. They're talking. It's like they're living their living rooms just with a bigger screen in front of them.
B
Yes.
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Like a little bit. You're in a place where don't shoot fireworks and stop talking. And so it was okay. The experience was okay. Now every seat is like a recliner.
B
Those are so comfortable. I did see a movie this week and it was Jurassic.
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I saw that, too.
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Jurassic World Rebirth.
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Jurassic Suck is what I called it.
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Yeah. It didn't have much of a storyline, did it? And you could kind of just pick the people that were going to die.
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Immediately because they didn't build their stories.
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There was no character development. How about the guy chewing on the mints early? I'm like, okay, how long are we going to prolong this for? Let's move on in the movie.
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Did you watch all the Jurassic Parks?
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No, I mean, I. Going back to when it first came Out. I remember watching that and kind of being amazed by all the special effects. But now it's just this lingering storyline of how many people, humans are dumb enough to go try to see these dinosaurs and get killed.
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I watched the first one when I was younger. That has to be young. Like kid, kid.
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I know, that's what I remember.
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Yeah. And then I never really jumped in. I never saw the, the Chris Pratt versions of Jurassic Park. But my wife again, for some reason wanted to go to the theater. We haven't been to the theater in years again for the reasons I stated before. And we went to watch F1 first and I didn't totally hate the experience because we were the only ones in the theater for there were like four people there.
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That's perfect. Perfect.
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Yes. And so she's like, let's go again. Okay. Don't have a bad experience. So we go watch Jurassic park and. And this guy wouldn't stop looking at girls butts on his phone in front of me. It was crazy. He wasn't a kid. He was like a 55 year old man with a family. Yeah. And he, I guess he couldn't see what we could see. Meaning he didn't know we were at an angle. We could see right on his phone. First of all, when you have your phone up and everything else is dark, it's like a little lightning bug.
B
Yeah. And he's on barstool, probably looking at the, the girls of the week or whatever.
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He was on different Instagram accounts just looking at butts. It was like some maybe, maybe he.
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Was picking an outfit out for his wife.
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Nope, it wasn't that at all. I'm telling you, the guy was a weirdo. And his kids and his family didn't know he was a weirdo. But Jurassic Park I would say was just fine. They spent a lot of money on it. I thought Scarlett Johansson was pretty good, but other than that, maybe I just am not investing enough in dinosaurs.
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Yeah. The only reason I went was because both my sons wanted to go and they were kind of into it and I was like, all right, let's go.
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They like it.
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Opening day. They liked it just because of the dinosaurs and the intensity of it. But what was crazy, I'm walking into this theater, I'm saying my oldest son is 12, my younger son is 9. So they're, they're about at that age where they can kind of grasp what's going on and there's some violence to it. But as I'm walking into the movie theater, I mean, there's five year olds with their grandparents, six year olds, like young kids. I'm going to. I wonder how they absorb this. They're definitely not sleeping that night, like watching the. The violence of the. Of that movie.
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So maybe they're not accepting it as violence. Maybe everything's a cartoon. I don't remember being four, but maybe everything's a cartoon.
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I don't remember a cartoon where a dude just gets swallowed by the pterodactyl.
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You're so right, though, about movies, especially when they don't invest a lot of time in the storyline. They didn't build up the character development of certain characters. And I don't think this is in any way a spoiler of the movie, but just in general how some of these major motion pictures that have lots of booms and pops and flashes, you know who's gonna die because they're doing nothing on a backstory. There's no emotional relationship with them. They're just like a part of the A crew. And some of the A crew has to die, right?
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And it's a brain and you can.
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Pick them off and you're like, this person's dying immediately for sure.
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That guy's gonna be a hero. This person's definitely not dying, but all four other of those people definitely dying.
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It's that weird time too, where there's nothing happening in sports.
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I know you've got baseball season just kind of going along and if you watch baseball and you've got a team that's, that's awesome and you'll tune in, but there's so many games that there's not a ton of relevance. Each game doesn't matter that much right now. And then all the other sports are kind of not really going on until you're waiting for a good, good golf tournament or something like that. Like, you're just kind of in limbo.
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And this is, I think, the worst time for baseball because it's right before the All Star break. So it's not even the second half of the season. It's not the beginning of baseball season, which is fun and exciting because everybody's in, right? And I'm a Cubs fan and I thought we may be about 500, I think as of today, we're like 14 over.
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Are you really?
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Yeah, it's all. It's been great. Like Pete Crow Armstrong has been playing out of his mind. So. And you're excited about the second half of the season, but like leading up to the All Star Game, you're just like. And other than Free agency, Basketball free agency. There's nothing going on. I am going down to Atlanta this weekend to play in the Home Run Derby X at All Star Weekend.
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Let's go.
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So, yeah, we're going to see how many home runs I can hit.
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Have you been practicing?
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I've. Yes, in that I need to learn why I probably am going to suck. So I can not suck. So have I gotten to a point to where I can re identify my ceiling? No. But I have found many flaws in my swing because I've been to the cages and then I went to the triple.
B
You've actually been to the cages?
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Yeah, well, yeah, I went with a buddy of mine.
B
Yeah.
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And then I went to the AAA team here in town. The Nashville Sounds.
B
Yeah, the Sounds.
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And I got in the cage and hit with them and took some ground balls and.
B
Oh, so you're prepping, you're ready to roll?
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I'm not ready to roll, but I am prepping. I guess that's my point. Like, I'm not to where I can work on my swing that I'm going to hit more home runs. But what I can do is eliminate some of the things that are keeping me from hitting home runs to give me a better shot.
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How many you think? How many think you could hit? Let's ballpark it.
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I don't know. Because this game's a bit different because you're on a stage and there are targets in the outfield. Oh, so it's a bit different than like the big Home Run Derby where Pujols and Bo Jackson and all these guys just go up and rip. Normally this is like a team sport. You a major leaguer and another player and you're against teams. I don't know. I've. I think it'll be fun. I have blisters all over my hands. Because when you haven't swung a bat or a golf club 100, either one. And you get back into it, your hands are ripped up. Oh, but I haven't hit a base. Like I've hit softball. And I played in the celebrity softball game last year. I don't know if you remember one. MVP.
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MVP.
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But that's slow pitch softball. I've not hit in 20 years.
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Different animal. And it actually gives you the perspective when you go and actually hit baseballs again, how skilled these guys are.
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It looks like a pea. It's a pea flying at you.
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And then you watch these major league games and nobody throws less than 97 miles an hour now. And they've got a 91 mile per hour slider, and they've got multiple pitches. I'm going, man, these hitters, they make their money for sure.
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It's not even crazy when someone throws over 100 anymore. It used to be mind blowing if someone hit triple digits. Like, Ohtani threw two innings the other night. Yeah. And hit 102 twice. 102.
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102.
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And that's not even the guy that is known for having the most gas. So I'm going to go do that. It'll be fun.
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That'll be a blast.
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It's weirder, though, as you get older, me and me specifically, because when you're a kid and you're 12, these players are like heroes and adult men that you're like, wow, one day, if I can meet them, or. And then once you get to be of age, you're like, okay, this is cool. It's a really high. But when you get older than them, you're like, man, you're just a kid. You got a lot. You got too much money right now. You kind of. You just look at it a bit different.
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Whose jersey are you gonna wear?
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Well, so they asked what my team was, and I'm a Chicago Cubs fan. My favorite player ever is Mark Grace, and they didn't say it had to be. Do you know Mark Grace?
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I know Mark Grace.
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You know him personally?
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No. Oh.
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Like, I've never met him. I have like a. Like, it's not. What do you call it? Bucket list. It's not a bucket list because I don't plan to die. But I have three people that I've never met that are on my list of these are my favorite people in the world, in entertainment that I still haven't met. And it'd be Mark Grace, and he's like the Diamondbacks analyst now.
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Is he really?
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Yeah, he played with them. Won a World Series with him.
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Yeah.
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But I. For me, he was the first baseman of the Cubs, number 17. It's Sting the Wrestler. Do you know him?
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No.
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Okay. And it's David Letterman. And if you're like, that's my cousin David Letterman, I would.
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No, I know. David Letterman's your dude.
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That's my hero.
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Yeah, he's your.
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Yeah. Never met him. But I'll probably wear a Mark Grace jersey.
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Yes.
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If that's the situation. Because they were like, who's your favorite team? Who's your favorite player? So, yeah. So, yeah, let's rock the deal.
B
Let's rock it for sure.
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And. And the rule is, we made this rule on this show, if you're an adult man, you don't wear the jersey of another adult man that's younger than you.
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That's exactly right.
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They have to be.
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They've got to be older than you, older than you, and only sporting events.
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And that means if you're 63, you could. But you can wear a Hank Aaron jersey. Yes, if you're. They're a jersey. We've had the sport long enough now that you can find jerseys of people older than you. So that's the plan this weekend. As long as I don't get injured.
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You're not getting injured. You're dropping bombs. Left side of plate.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. The problem is though, they. They take in the outfit, they pull the wall in a bit and they shut off the sides a bit. So I'm a big pull hitter because I don't really have the capability to. Yeah, I'm gonna pull them foul like crazy.
B
Oh, you're gonna be jacked up, too. The adrenaline's gonna be going and you're.
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Gonna be like, I'm getting jacked up. Yeah, for sure.
B
Yeah.
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So, yeah, I've been. Been doing that. Gotta use a wooden bat, too. Don't forget that.
B
Oh, it is wooden.
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So in the cage.
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That's a different.
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Didn't have a wooden bat. Used a metal bat. We did use a wooden bat at the AAA team this week and it does obviously take a little distance off, but wooden bats have come a long way since we were kids. Boys.
B
Oh, man, have they ever.
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I mean, they.
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What's the one with the Yankees? The one that they.
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Torpedo bat.
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The Torpedo.
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I didn't get to use one of those.
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I have. We should get you one made.
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Yeah. I show up with my own wood torpedo. That would be fun.
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That would definitely be a flex.
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You ever almost been in a plane crash?
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You know, I've had one crazy instance and we're flying from California and I would rarely fly private, but sometimes with the family. Was going back to the destination of the city that I was playing. We were going to Buffalo. I would take the whole family because my kids were young. It was much easier than putting four car seats on the plane and doing all that stuff. So we took off from la and we're probably about an hour in and the pilot comes on and says, hey, everybody needs to buckle up. We're just going to have to land and just calm as can be. And when I was going, what? And he goes, everybody just stay calm. We're just going to have to land here in a Moment. So as we're coming in, like I said, we're an hour 15 into this flight. They are landing the plane and out the window you can see nothing but ambulances, fire truck, all this stuff waiting for our plane, for our plane to land. So as soon as we land, they jump out of the seat. They, they park the, park the plane. And we, they immediately shuffle us off. They come screaming on all these different emergency personnel. Come on, check the plane. I guess in the back of the engine a light went off that said our engine was on fire. So the emergency land, luckily.
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They didn't tell you that though.
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They didn't tell us that because they don't want everybody to panic and do all this stuff. So we literally sat there at that airport for two and a half hours while they were doing all the investigation work and making sure that it was not a fire, but at the same time a false alarm. And then they had us get back on that plane.
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Oh, same plane.
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That's what I said. Heck no. I said, wait, you guys aren't going to send another plane? We don't have any in the area. This, that and the other. We're in the middle of nowhere. I was like, so you want us to get back on this same plane that you emergency land? And all this just took place. My family's traumatized. My wife's like sitting there holding the baby like on the way down, like, what's going on? And I'm going, so we got back on the plane. That was probably the dumbest thing I've ever done in my life. But we made it.
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Were you nervous getting back on when it was taken?
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Oh, hell yes. Every moment. How about you?
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No, I don't want to jinx myself. I've been in a couple heavy, turbulent situations, but no, I've been okay. We, we've been. I hate to even say that, and I don't believe in the jinx, but I definitely am respectful of it. I don't believe in it, but I'm respectful of the jinx you got to be respectful of. I bring it up and especially there was a. I guess this happened today. This airport had to halt all operations after one of the people that was working was sucked into the engine. Oh, on the tarmac. That's awful crazy. A tragic incident at the airport on Tuesday, July 8, which is when we record. The show comes out on Wednesdays, but we record Tuesday afternoon led to the fatal injury of a 35 year old man who was reportedly sucked into the engine of an Airbus A3. Hundred nineteen. To me, that means nothing. As far as that plane. I don't know, an Airbus. But I looked at the picture. It just looks like a big plane that we would take at the airport.
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Oh, my gosh.
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So it was taxiing for takeoff. The individual, who was not a passenger and it also says was not airport staff, breached security by entering the restricted area near the terminal and running onto the taxiway. It happened around 10:20am local time. It prompted the immediate suspension of all flight operations at the airport. So the guy, I guess, got through, ran out. I don't know why he ran out. It definitely wasn't to get sucked in the engine.
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No.
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And then got sucked in the engine. It has that kind of. Those things have that kind of power. Yeah. Capabilities to suck you up into the engine. That's crazy.
B
Oh, my gosh.
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Yes. Terrible. There was another story I was saying.
B
Too, where it's like the people that jump over the fence at the zoo.
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Oh, yeah.
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You're just like, why?
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What'd you think was gonna happen? You got mauled by a tiger. Yeah. You jumped the fence.
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You just. Okay, sorry.
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There was a story here in the States, in maybe Chicago, where the guy pulled up to the gate and it was like. He was like, uber eats, but somebody from the airport inside it ordered the UberEats. The guy went to the wrong place, and the person that was working by the gate on the outside thought it was okay because he had food and somebody must have ordered it from inside. And the guy ends up on the freaking tarmac with UberEats. And he wasn't doing it on purpose. He wasn't like this guy scaling a fence. He went to take the food to the people that had ordered it, but they were inside, and he thought he would get there by driving outside. And then the person led him through.
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That guy gets five stars. Five.
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So many things went wrong with that. Like, everything.
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How does that even happen?
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And how does the person inside the airport think they're actually going to get the food even if he does get out of his car because he has to go through security? You don't get to go through security at the airport if you just have a bag of food.
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Yeah, the. The security guard must have been hungry. He's like, I get it. You know what? There's days where I wish that I would just order food to the tarmac and I'm going to let you through right now. I'm going to see if you can achieve your goal of delivering this food.
A
Maybe got a nugget out of it or something.
B
Definitely. Security guards getting fired.
A
Yeah. Crazy. He got all the way through. The other one was there was one other airport story. Yeah, I lost it.
B
Lost it. That's okay.
A
That happens when you get old. Not only do your hands hurt after hitting balls, you lose your.
B
You do have some good blisters over there. Do it becoming callous you. So no batting gloves for you, old school?
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No, I wear batting gloves and I still.
B
Oh, you still got it.
A
Yeah, dude.
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Oh, sweet little hand.
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25 years, 25 players before training camp kickstarts a new NFL season, NFL Daily is going to look back. It is a special six episode series where myself, Greg Rosenthal and some of the top NFL minds like Kevin Harlan, Mina Kimes and Bill Barnwell make the case for each player. Player we're taking a look back giving you NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years. So who made the list? You know Tom Brady's on it. Where's Patrick Mahomes?
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He's on it. How about Lamar Jackson?
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Yes.
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Same thing with basketball players. Like, if a kid comes out as a junior, but one left is a freshman, that happens where you're like, oh, he's so much older. And it's not. He's been in the league longer. So you have explain this to us here. Yeah, I have seven tandem quarterbacks, so 14 all together. I'll have one go against the other and ask you guys, and together, you figure it out whether quarterback A or quarterback B is older. Okay, so which one's okay? So example is Rogers or Flacco, which one's older? I saw this. It's unfair because I saw this, but it's the example. It's not. It's not on the list yet. I got seven more after this, but I forgot this is. I saw them talking about this. I think Rogers is a one year older. Correct. Okay.
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I was gonna say he's 41 and Flacco's 40, right?
A
Yeah. Yeah.
B
So they're all within a year.
A
Okay, Within a few months. Okay, go ahead. Okay. And like I said, you guys go together on this, collaborate, and see if.
B
You can get it.
A
Okay. Number one, Jared Goff or Baker Mayfield. I'm gonna have no. I have no reference point.
B
I'm going Baker Mayfield.
A
Sure. I'm with Matt. Baker Mayfield. Jared Goff. How old are they? Six months older. Oh, they're so class the same. It's if.
B
I mean, part of the year, for half the year, they're the same age.
A
Yeah, there you go.
B
I mean, come on, give us a. Give us a little bit.
A
Yeah. Give us something different.
B
You want us to pick the month? Who are we supposed to know when they're born? November, April, and May.
A
All right, go ahead. Give us another one.
B
Okay.
A
Patrick Mahomes or Josh.
B
I'm going Josh Allen.
A
I'm gonna go Patrick Mahomes. Oh, we didn't work together on that one.
B
Nope.
A
But if it's, like, within a year, it's the same.
B
I know. If this is another three months apart.
A
Yeah. What do you got? Okay, it is Patrick Mahomes.
B
It's nine months. Okay.
A
All right, go ahead.
B
Okay.
A
Then you got Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson.
B
Joe Burrow's older.
A
Yeah.
B
Well, Lamar came out when he was, like, 20.
A
The only thing I remember about Lamar coming out is that he got drafted at the very end of that first round. And also Baltimore traded up to get him.
B
Joe Burrow played five years in college. Lamar played three and left early. I'm going to go with Joe Burrow by a month.
A
I'm going to go Joe Burrow by six hours. Like they came ripping out of their mother's womb.
B
Castle is on the money. Joe Burrow is a month older. Thank you. Oh, my goodness. This is a great. I mean, really. I mean, talk about.
A
Okay, give us one more. Okay, here's a. Here's the last one. That could be a fun one.
B
Tyler Schuck, you know, the rookie for.
A
The Saints, or Bo Nix. So I think, because you asked it, and also I think that they played on the same team for a minute. I think Shuck was at Oregon when Bo Nix was at, right? No, Shuck was at Oregon. Bo Nicks wasn't at Oregon yet. Bonix went to Oregon. So same team. I think they both played for Oregon because Shuck was there when Marcus Mariota was still the quarterback.
B
He did play together at Oregon.
A
They did play together. Yeah. So. So I was wrong about the Mariota thing then.
B
Chuck also had a lot of injuries. Medical.
A
Yeah, he was hurt.
B
Yeah. And Bo Nix is definitely 30.
A
Yeah. Yeah.
B
He's not that old.
A
Okay, I got to go.
B
Bo Nicks.
A
Nick's just got his Medicare taken away.
B
But Tyler Shuck hasn't beat.
A
Yeah, I would have guessed. Shock. Yeah. Did Chuck play with Mariota? Was he the quarterback?
B
Because Chuck went from Oregon. Wait, he's Oregon, Texas Tech and then last year, Louisville. Right.
A
Yeah.
B
Yeah. Because he started at Oregon in 2020, so. No, he was way out for Mario.
A
Who's the other quarterback I'm thinking about? Oh, I'm not thinking. I'm thinking about Herbert. Oh, yeah. Justin Herbert. Yeah. Herbert's who I'm thinking. I think he was there when Herbert was there. Actually, shuck started in 18 with Oregon, so, yeah, he was definitely there when Herbert was there.
B
Hold on. He started. Started in 18 and just got drafted.
A
Like, his career started in 18. Yeah. He didn't necessarily play if he got a he red shirt and then a.
B
Medical red shirt and he had the COVID year.
A
Dude's 51.
B
Yeah.
A
Wow. Yeah.
B
That's mature.
A
Are you going to do your job this year as.
B
Yes.
A
College football analyst?
B
College football is coming up, babe.
A
What is that official role?
B
So I do the pregame and I get to go to the side of the game. I get to interview coaches and players, and then we give our Pre game segments there on the field. So it's kind of cool. You're part of the environment and at the site of the game. And so it's fun.
A
Of what game?
B
The game of the week. So we have the big Saturday night is what we call it the Big Ten. Yeah, Big Ten for NBC. So it's fun. We had like last year, one of the great games that we had was the. Or first Oregon, Ohio State game. That game was in Eugene. It was a great game. So you get, you get to go to all these different stadiums and you're just enthralled in the environment and everything else and you also your boots on the ground. So you get to talk to these coaches in the production meetings and hear what they have to say in the matchups and everything else. And we get to go kind of give you the insight and lead you into the game. Let's go.
A
Do they ever tell you anything in the production meetings that actually pays off whenever you're talking about the game?
B
You know what, you get a lot in those production meetings because the coaches are a lot more open. They know that we're just trying to tell their story. But when you ask about, about specific matchups.
A
Yeah.
B
Or where they're trying to take advantage or scheme.
A
Yeah, right.
B
How do you match up and what do you have to do in this game? They're pretty, they're pretty right on of what takes place in the game. If they achieve these three things, then they're going to have success. If they don't, then they, they are going to have a long day at the office or they're going to struggle.
A
Well, they tell you we plan to run the ball over 25 times. Something like that.
B
To where if. No, it's probably a little bit more vague than that. More. More like we need to establish the run in the line of scrimmage. Well, no, right. Like everybody needs to do that in the game. But some of it can be. We don't know if this player is going to go. So it could be a defensive end. It could be somebody that's going to play a pretty adequate role in their success and they might be banged up and sometimes certain coaches like Brett Bielema is like, yeah, he's not going to go and we won't let that really out of the bag until right before because they got to come out and play the game. But.
A
So you will keep it tight.
B
Keep it tight. But we're 30. We have a 30 minute pregame show leading up to the game.
A
So by that Point the day before.
B
We're not doing it the day before. We're on site at the game, stadiums raging.
A
Got it. Okay. That they could allow.
B
Because at that point, at that point you already know he didn't come out for warm ups. So that's a piece of information we can use leading up to the game. Like, we. We didn't see him in warmups out here and we don't think he's going to go. And that could have a significant impact on this game.
A
How'd you get that job?
B
You know, it was crazy. I went to the super bowl one year and I was doing some things down there. My agent introduced me to the.
A
What does that mean? You were doing something super bowl like.
B
Like some appearances and stuff like that.
A
Got it.
B
Yeah. And so I went down there and then at that point met some people from NBC and we had a discussion and it was more of a light, light interview. And then from there I got a call to go to New York and meet with the head dog, Sam Flood. And we sat down, we had lunch and just had a discussion. And he wanted to get to know me. And at that point, a few days later, they offered me the job and I was pretty stoked about it.
A
So do you have to do any training, like television training? Do you stand in front of a camera?
B
No, there was none of that. There's none of that because. Well, prior to that I was working with NBC Sports boss and I did some stuff for Good Morning Football. And so I had been doing certain roles on television. So they had watched. And then they have coaches that will kind of talk to you about what their vision is for how they want you to present and do all that and just give you little pointers here and there. But for the most part, you kind of hit the ground running and it was a little bit intimidating our first game out of the box. I was actually on the studio desk at first, but we would go to the side of the game and it's Penn State opening weekend against West Virginia and I mean, there's a hundred thousand people. You can't even hear yourself. I didn't have the right ears in. We had one ear instead of the ones that like block out the noise and we're scrambling through highlights. At halftime, we had fill time. I'm going, what is going on? My head was spinning every which way. But then as you get into a rhythm of what to expect, it's not moving a million miles a minute, you're kind of now more into a rhythm. So it took it took a few games there to just kind of get your bearings about yourself.
A
The Big Ten's wild because geographically you could be anywhere in the country, anywhere. Because there's not like a section anymore because you could be in California, you could be in the Midwest, you could be in Rutgers, you could be in New Jersey.
B
Oh, Oregon's playing Rutgers last year at Rutgers.
A
Crazy.
B
I mean it's, it's absolutely wild to think especially the travel for the west coast teams, East Coast, I think UCLA had the most travel miles of any team in college football last year, but they had Rutgers. I think they played Illinois. I mean it's wild to think about these schedules for these young men that are going to travel to play these.
A
Games but put you on the spot. And not the best, but who are your favorite? Give me your top three coaches that you have spent time with in that job that's like, you know they're going to give you good stuff and it can either be stuff that is about football or just like great personalities. But give me your top three coaches that you love to deal with.
B
Love to deal with. Brett Bielema, he's awesome dude. He's an awesome dude and he's full ball coach, but very transparent in his information. He's not going to bullshit you, not going to run you around, but just the guy that you want to go have a beer with. He, he's number one. Kirk Ference for Iowa. Just one of the most salt of the earth humans that you'll ever meet and very honest, very true to his word. Dan Lanning's awesome guy to hang around with. He's just got this magnetic energy to him and he brings an intensity. However he did, we did ask him about a player and he didn't let us know that he wasn't going. So we had to figure that out on the field. So I was a little, little hurt by that. Come on, Danny, give me a little, give me, give me the information beforehand so I can help you out.
A
That's only three. You can't do any more than you're like being too diplomatic. Okay. Because you do that because you're a really nice guy. So you want to include everybody.
B
No, I don't want to include.
A
You were. You're about to include more people though. True or false. He wasn't. He wasn't he about to.
B
There was one more.
A
Okay, who's your honorable mention?
B
There you go. Ryan Day. I got to go spend time with him at spring ball this year and we got to sit down and he's probably in a different position now that he won the national championship, but every time we go there, he's. He's got an open door policy, sits down with us, gives us time and gave us some great information about just what's going on with their quarterback situation, the outlook of their team now that they lost so many different players this year. So I really like Ryan Day and I think he's a really good ball coach.
A
What is your relationship with the USC football program?
B
So obviously living in Tennessee, I don't get out as much and. But when I see, I see Lincoln Riley, like in a few weeks from now, we're, I'm about to go out to the Big Ten media days and I'll get to spend some time with him. And look, I'm always cheering for usc, that's my alma mater. But I'm just not as involved as I used to be. Like every off season I would go back and train there early on in my career and be more present and be around. I'm just not as around the program as much right now.
A
Do you have any relationship with Lincoln at all?
B
No, just when I see him, to be honest with you. I mean, it feels awkward for me to reach out to people that I haven't had a previous relationship with and just kind of try to get involved in the program, to be involved in the program. I know he's running his program how he wants to run it, and he's doing a good job, but at the end of the day, for me, okay job, doing an okay job, he's definitely gonna step up. He's gotta step up this year.
A
You're a very nice guy. Okay.
B
I mean, yeah, he had a. He had to rebuild a lot when he got there. But yes, if, if you're a USC fan and a Trojan fan, you're like, bud, we gotta get this thing going now.
A
Yeah, he's making a lot of money.
B
A lot of money.
A
And he needs to win some games. Yeah. And he's given over control of his defense, meaning he's an offensive coach and he had the same guy with him at Oklahoma when they struggle defensively.
B
Right.
A
At usc, now they've made some changes and I think defensively they can probably ride that ship a bit. But it's going to be interesting now with what NIL is allowing teams to do, which is the revenue sharing. So everybody has a chance now to get some good players. There are going to be some instances where teams that were making all them or using all the money from collectives can still find strategic ways to use that money to supplement their Nil.
B
Right? Exactly.
A
But it does give these Power four programs a chance to at least get some good players. Now, there's a Purdue helmet in front of us. And I have no relationship with Purdue, the school, other than Drew Brees went to school there. And I like. I like Drew. And you know, he went to high school in Austin whenever we were living down there. And he was all. He was great high school player, but I don't have any produ. Zach Eie, you know, like, what do I know about Purdue? But one of my friends is now the head football coach there. And so he came down a couple weeks ago and went to the Grand Ole Opry. He called, said, hey, I'm coming down and I'm thinking about taking my daughter to the Opry. Is this. Is this fun? His daughter's birthday? And I was like, yeah, not only that, like, why are you guys coming down? He was like, well, she's a big Laney Wilson fan. I was like, I know Laney. So I'll meet you guys at the Opry and I'll take you back.
B
And that's sweet.
A
And. And I'll. One of my friends meeting another one of my friends. And Lani's awesome. And I've known Lanny, but way before she got famous. And so I went and I kind of have a relationship with the Opry where they just kind of don't care. I can come and go as I want. I used to host the TV show during COVID I hosted it the whole time, and I performed there about 20 times. And so I go a lot. Yeah, I'm again the 18th, I think. I can't really say what else. I can tell you off again. I can tell you after, but I'm performing again on the 18th. But so they came and while they were. His daughter was talking with Lanny. I was just talking to him about Nil, and he just took the job. He was at UNLV last year, and he turned that program around. And he was like, you know, the administration, they're being very generous with Nil. Everybody kind of has a shot now because we have a slice of the revenue.
B
Right.
A
And a lot of these teams that did not have a chance now at least has sort of a chance. And in the Big Ten, the schedule is such. Because there's so many teams.
B
So many teams.
A
Indiana. Indiana last year had a luck. They did nothing wrong.
B
Right.
A
So they won every game that was put in front of them.
B
Oh, crushed it.
A
Yes. And they were getting a bunch of crap because they were really highly rated without having lost a game. Well, they ran into a buzz saw at. With Ohio State.
B
Right, Ohio State. But if you think about. You take away the punt return in the beginning of the game, that changed it to 21 7. It's 147 close to the end of the half. And then they just blew up.
A
But I mean, even then they won every game. You can't really fault them for winning every game. And they shouldn't have apologized for it. And he was saying that, too. In the Big Ten, there are years where some of these teams are going to have really brutal schedules because they're going to get matched up with Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan, a good Michigan. And there are going to be years where you don't know until you're actually in the season. Like Indiana got last year, where I think Michigan was thought of to be a little better until that year happened.
B
Right.
A
Where. So, you know, he was like, you have a pretty tough schedule next year. But he took that job. And when you mentioned the Big Ten, because I think now everybody kind of has a fighting chance.
B
Well, that's the most amazing part about college athletics now is these schools, like you said, that didn't have a fighting chance before because they couldn't recruit and they couldn't pay players. But teams like Indiana or Purdue can turn their program around rapidly based on the fact that they get a blue chipper and they bring in this guy and they can go into the transfer portal and supplement it, just like Indiana did last year where they brought in, I think, 14 guys or something.
A
All of his old guys. Yeah. From James Madison.
B
Yeah, James Madison. And so those guys knew the program were part of a winning culture, and we're able to help facilitate that in the locker room, on the field.
A
And.
B
And then they picked up where they left off. And that's what gave them the ability to go out and win games and win games early. They weren't learning a new system, but they were a team that went out, played hard, knew what was to be expected, a favorable schedule, had a favorable schedule, and it was similar to Penn State. Last year. Penn State played Ohio State, but they didn't play Oregon, they didn't play Michigan. And so you're at the mercy of your schedule at times. But at the same time, these teams and those coaches that always felt like they played a backseat to these larger programs, which still, to a degree, they do now have the ability to go out and get guys to come in to fill their roster, fill needs and spots right away.
A
Drew Aller is probably going to be awesome this year, huh?
B
Oh, he's a stud, man. I mean, I've seen him in person multiple times. He's a great kid.
A
He's a big old boy.
B
Big Boy, 6 5, got an absolute cannon for an arm. He's got good enough mobility. He's not going to kill you with your legs, but that's not his deal. He can throw the ball with pinpoint accuracy, make every throw. He's got a NFL caliber arm. And they went out and finally put some money into that wide receiver position. They got three guys that just came in, so now that's always been their biggest thing. They've been able to run the ball and they've got two really good running backs, but they just haven't had the horses on the outside. And now that they do, it'll be really interesting because I think this could be a year that Penn State finally makes that push.
A
It would be nice to see James Franklin win the big game just so people stop talking about how he can't win the big game.
B
It's, it's like nauseating to listen to.
A
Because he's absolutely capable. He's a great coach.
B
Right?
A
It would be nice for him to shut that narrative down just for the sake of. That's all people want to talk about right now.
B
This. It's every year until he does it. And it's difficult to be a program of that stature and win on such a consistent basis but not be able to win that Ohio State game or that Michigan game because that's all that the fans are talking about. And I'll tell you, this year, this last year I thought was their opportunity to go to the national championship just based on they had a favorable playoff schedule as well and the fact that they weren't able to get it done. They've got a better team coming back this year, so it'll be interesting.
A
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Excludes Alaska and Hawaii 25 years, 25 players before training camp kickstarts a new NFL season, NFL Daily is going to look back. It is a special six episode series where myself, Greg Rosenthal and some of the top NFL minds like Kevin Harlan, Mina Kimes and Bill Barnwell make the case for each player. We're taking a look back giving you NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years. So who made the list? You know Tom Brady's on it. Where's Patrick Mahomes?
B
Mahomes is into the end zone. Touchdown Kansas City.
A
He's on it. How about Lamar Jackson?
B
Jackson takes it himself.
A
Look at him dart back and forth.
B
Oh oh, he broke his ankles and.
A
He'S got a touchdown.
B
He is Houdini.
A
You are going to have to listen to find out. Listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years starting on June 30th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. It's interesting all the big name quarterbacks playing into this year because like Kate Clubnik at Clemson.
B
Clemson, he's stud.
A
I mean he played really well against Texas. They ended up losing that game obviously in the playoff. But he's also from Austin. Arch Manning at Texas. It'll be interesting to see because like Fine Bomb was talking about Arch Manning is the best college quarterback he's seen since Tebow. And you wonder if he would say that if his last name wasn't Manning. Because he does look, because he, he started what, two games I think last year. I could be off again against little.
B
Sisters of the poor too.
A
But he, but again, again, there's an injury. He's called in.
B
You see the skill set.
A
But also he runs like a deer.
B
Oh my gosh. He has not got Manning pedigree. I was like what is going on right now? This dude can run.
A
He did not have the white man governor. No, most white people can only run certain fast like white long Large quarterbacks can only run. But no, he. He could run.
B
The boy can scoot.
A
And then LSU's quarterback, who may go number one overall.
B
Nessmeyer. Yeah, yeah. He's a stud too. So, I mean it is a very quarterback heavy draft class if all these guys decide to come out and really talented and also guys that have played a lot of football. So you've got a lot of film and a lot of understanding for who these guys are. But they've been in elite programs, played a lot of football, and that's outside of Arch. Arch has to go out and prove it this year, but they've got a hell of a team around him and I'm sure he will.
A
I think I like a bit of the newest version of nil. I do like the players are staying longer like we're talking about, because they in football different than basketball because you have to be three years in football, you can red shirt and leave after your sophomore year if you redshirt your freshman year, but you can still leave. I think these quarterbacks are, we'll say, beneficiaries of nil. That kept them in college longer. Right. I like what they're doing with, with the revenue sharing. If we could only change the transformation for portal rule. Like you got one, one time, one transfer.
B
I agree with you. Unless there's a circumstance where your coach. Coaches change, that could give you a second opportunity to transfer again. But also the transfer windows, one right after season, one right after spring. I don't think they've got to take the spring portal out.
A
Did they change that? Did they recently go to one window? Did you guys see that maybe starting next year? Because I think somebody big just transferred after the spring game. Yeah. Take a look at it. But I agree there are too many windows.
B
Too many windows. And how do you as a coach, you're trying to get your roster together, your team put together, you're relying on this guy. You've gone through all of spring ball and this is basically revving up a month or two away from going to training camp and then that guy hits the transfer portal and you've got. You've got a hole in your offensive line, your defensive line. It could be anywhere.
A
We saw that with Penn State when their backup quarterback left as they were going into a bowl game.
B
Right.
A
Which is not a bowl game, which is the playoff. Right, the playoff, yeah. Two windows, by the way. Two windows, yeah. So one from December to January and then mid to late April. And has there been any change in it or was it just a Proposed change that I saw a couple days. That's just an updated one. All right, good deal. Let's talk college football rivalries. If I were to say. And we'll say it at the same time so we don't convince each other. Okay. What is the number one rivalry in college football in your mind? Okay, you ready? Just say one team and I'll say one team. Ready? One, two, three. Okay. Okay. You go first.
B
Ohio State. Michigan, the game.
A
I can't argue with that.
B
But I mean, you've got two national champions the last two years.
A
Yeah, I know, but it's such. Recency answer there.
B
Recency answer. But it still goes way back, this rivalry.
A
I can agree.
B
There is a full and utter hatred between the fan bases for the opposing team. And you think about Ohio State. They go out and win the national championship and they're still pretty bitter.
A
Yeah. About losing.
B
They got beat by Michigan and they've lost four straight. And Ryan Day, you know, midway after they lost last year, so many people are calling for his name, for his job, all the. All the different stuff. If you look at that guy's record, I mean, in the consistency of winning football. But it comes down to one game for these fan bases. And it's wild, the amount of animosity that they have and hatred. I mean, I went into Ohio State's building and they have a clock on the wall that's counting down the days and the hours and the minutes and the seconds to the Michigan game. It's not the schedule of the football season. It is a clock that is dedicated just to that Michigan game. And it's already started. It's wild. I've never seen anything like it.
A
And they don't use the letter M. And, yeah, I would have put that at 2. And I think the reason I would have put Oklahoma, Texas at one.
B
Red River Shootout, baby.
A
Yeah. It's just be. Is geographical bias. And being from Arkansas and at one time playing a Southwest Conference with Texas. And my wife's no you fan, but I would have thought that even before, like her family. But they played that game in the same neutral stadium every year, which makes that very interesting.
B
It does.
A
Because half the side is whatever color Oklahoma is, whatever version of colorblind. So I don't say that as an insult, but what color is Oklahoma? Maroon. Ish. Yeah.
B
Yeah. Yeah, that's close.
A
Yeah. Maroon. And then puke is the other color.
B
Yep.
A
And I'm not colorblind to Texas. That just looks like puke.
B
Puke orange.
A
Yes.
B
Yeah, it's A burnt orange.
A
Yes. And the fact they played that game in the middle.
B
Yes.
A
Although the cotton ball sucks. It's the worst. Dude, it is a. It's the dumpiest of dumps. I mean, as an Arkansas fan, we've played bowl games and I've been there. And that was 10 years ago. And it was awful then.
B
Yes. And it hasn't changed.
A
And yeah, they. So geographically, I would put that as my number one rivalry. At two, I would put Michigan, Ohio State, But I've had to learn about that later in life.
B
Well, that's a hard. That's the hard part about rivalries is it's all regional. Right. And it's where you grew up, where your loyalties lie, and at the same time, what's meaningful to you. And at any. Any place in the country, you could go somewhere else and they would pick three other top rivalry games that would consist of probably just as interesting history and rivalry and everything else that goes along with it.
A
Who would you put it to in yours?
B
I was going to go with Oklahoma, Texas. Red River. Red River Shootout.
A
You know, they don't call it that anymore.
B
Well, they should.
A
It's even harder to say.
B
What is it called now?
A
Red River Rivalry. Oh, try it.
B
Red River Rivalry. I couldn't say that three times faster.
A
You couldn't say shootout.
B
Didn't even say shootout.
A
Okay. You want to do the.
B
Sure.
A
Number three on the list.
B
Yeah. Are we doing it on three again?
A
You know, I'm not going to take yours because I already know mine. Who's yours?
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I'd go with Army. Navy. And the reason I say that, I got a chance to go to West Point last year at army, and they're playing Notre Dame in Yankee Stadium. It's a huge. That's a rivalry in itself. Right. And we were asking them kind of about the rivalry, the history, this, that and the other. Not one of the players, one of the coaches blinked. They said, it doesn't hold a candle. And when you walk around their facilities, everything, all the signage, every, Every different phrase is all about beat Navy. And they are dedicated to that. And it's the biggest game. It's their Super Bowl. It's pride on the line. It's America. And I just think that the history goes way back. But after being there and experiencing it and being consumed by it a little bit, I was like, ah, love it. Army, Navy.
A
Kevin, who would you put up here? I gotta go. Alabama, Auburn. That was my third one, the Iron Bowl. And I think, again, it's definitely, definitely geographical bias. Sec Bias, too. But even in our lifetime, we've seen some crazy finishes. And that was what. When I was thinking about it, like the field goal.
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The.
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What are they?
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Returned 99.
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It's the best game I've ever seen in my life.
B
Yeah.
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Craziest thing I've ever seen. It might be the craziest single moment I've ever seen in collegiate sports. Yeah. Like, to win the game.
B
Yes. That was absolutely insanity.
A
And so I'm glad you said that because I was going to go. Well, it's another one close to home. You're like, sec. Yeah. Because all of mine are like, I can reach out and touch them.
B
Yeah.
A
The only other one that I thought that was my honorable mention was going to be Georgia. Florida, when they do that. And they meet in the middle there too.
B
Yes.
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Georgia floor is the biggest cocktail. The world's largest cocktail party, whatever they call.
B
That'd be a fun one to go to.
A
Yeah. It's just. I don't love neutral site games, generally speaking, because I feel like a lot is lost. Like the normal fan infrastructure. And I'll say Arkansas and Texas A M had played every year at Jerry's World in Dallas for many years. I hated it.
B
Yep.
A
I hated. Because it just felt so generic. Right. Jerry's World's awesome. The Dallas Cowboy Stadium.
B
It's unbelievable.
A
Yes. Still. And it's been.
B
But there's something to be said about home field advantage.
A
Yes.
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Fans.
A
Like, I wanted to go to Texas and have to like, suffer.
B
Right.
A
You should have to suffer whenever you're the away team. That's part of what makes college really cool.
B
That's.
A
You freaking suffer. Egg ball is also on my list. Sec. But Mississippi, I say this like Arkansas because this is hillbilly on hillbilly crime. Mississippi ain't got crap. It's like Arkansas. We don't have anything. We have a college team. We don't have any sports. Mississippi doesn't have any sport. Any. Any pro sports either. So it's all Mississippi or Mississippi State. Just like almost like Alabama and Auburn. Those two schools are bigger, though, than Mississippi. Ole Miss and Mississippi.
B
Yeah.
A
But in Mississippi, like, they hate each other. And there is a complex if you are a Mississippi State Bulldog. Because Ole Miss people think they're way better than Mississippi State people.
B
Really?
A
Oh, yeah. Because of course they do, like, higher class, right? Yeah. Like Starkville versus Oxford. Oxford.
B
And what do they call the area right outside the stadium in Oxford? No, they have like chandeliers in their chandeliers.
A
It's.
B
Listen, I've heard that's awesome.
A
It's all. It sucks.
B
It's awesome.
A
But yeah, it sucks. But it's awesome. Okay, how about this?
B
Notre Dame, usc.
A
I have no relationship with that rivalry. So.
B
All about relationship.
A
Yes, you tell me.
B
Is that it's an unbelievable rivalry and it takes place obviously every year and it's home and home series. It's been going on forever. But the thing is we always schedule that game, I think in early October when we go to Notre Dame just because of the cold weather. But when they come out, it's like the last game of the season when they're at USC. I mean, come on. Yeah, 100%. But it's a fantastic rivalry with a ton of history.
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25 years, 25 players before training camp kickstarts a new NFL season, NFL Daily is going to look back. It is a special six episode series where myself, Greg Rosenthal and some of the top NFL minds like Kevin Harlan, Mina Kimes and Bill Barnwell make the case for each player, we're taking a look back, giving you NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years. So who made the list? You know Tom Brady's on it. Where's Patrick?
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Mahomes is into the end zone. Touchdown Kansas City.
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He's on it. How about Lamar Jackson?
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You are going to have to listen. To find out, listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years, starting on June 30 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's talk NFL rivalries. Let's do what we did a minute ago.
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Current NFL rivalries.
A
I'm guessing all time.
B
All time.
A
Well, yeah, but they still exist.
B
How about some current ones?
A
That's fine. Great. But I think teams in college don't have to be good for the rivalry, still matter. So what, you can just pick one? Then you can explain to me why we're not on the same wavelength here. Ready? One, two, three. Cowboys.
B
Chief spells.
A
Okay, so yours is more of a Mahomes, Josh Allen rivalry. It feels like, like.
B
Well, I was thinking more like modern time right now. Because you're not wrong.
A
No need to be defensive. This is your pick.
B
No, this is my pick. And the. The reason I say this is, I mean, you've got two of the best quarterbacks going head to head. It's like, reminiscent of the Brady and Peyton Manning days. But they've played a ton of football against each other over these last few years.
A
Meaningful games, too.
B
Meaningful games. And the Bills actually have won, I think four, four games during the regular season over the last four years. But then three of the five season. I mean, three last five playoff runs or whatever the Chiefs have. They've beat the Bills three times. So the Bills can't get over that hump. But the games itself are. Must watch television just because of the caliber of those two quarterbacks. And also the teams in general, the coaches, everything else, they're just two high quality programs that make it super entertaining. I think it's a great rivalry.
A
To me, Josh Allen feels like Phil Mickelson is like, why did Tiger have to be born? Like, here I am. I'm like, the greatest. And there's still Tiger Wood, woods and Josh Allen's like. And there's Frank and Patrick Mahomes. If it weren't for Patrick Mahomes. It's how I used to feel. And I'm sure he did, too. But one of my good friends is Andy Roddick, the tennis player. And he was top 10 in the world for over a decade, but he was number one for a while. But there was always Federer. Yeah, it was always Federer. Like, that was his week for, like, Five years or the finals of Wimbledon. There was just Federer and he had. It was the Phil Mickelson. It was Josh Allen and Mahomes. There was Roddick with freaking Federer. I like your answer. Not the same path I was going down, but I like your answer.
B
No, I. I mean, I like the historical value, but I was just thinking about, like, currently, what game does everybody want to tune into and love the fact that they get to play, because I know they play again, I think, in week nine this year.
A
Well, last year, too. I think regular season. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Buffalo wins regular season.
B
That's what I'm saying. I think they've won the last four regular seasons. Yeah.
A
They just don't. They don't win playoffs, unfortunately.
B
They get the playoffs. They're like, no, we play the Chiefs.
A
I'm going to go Cowboys, Eagles, number one.
B
It's a great route.
A
Because they freaking hate each other. Just fans and hats walking by each other. They might start fighting.
B
Yes.
A
Because someone might go, cowboys suck. Wham. An Eagles fan punches them. So my number one because of that reason, just the general, overall, general dislike of the other team's brand. I'm putting the Cowboys and Eagles, and it's not like the Cowboys have been great, but everybody hates the Cowboys because the Cowboys get all the publicity, all the love.
B
America's team.
A
Yes. And they feel like the Cowboys shouldn't. And if I'm in the NFC east and I'm the Eagles and I've been pretty good, and the Cowboys are getting more love than me, and we're better. I'm pissed, too.
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I'm pissed.
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We.
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We just won the super bowl and we've been dominant.
A
So I'm gonna go number one rivalry over on my list, Cowboys and Eagles, and I'll go two here. Bears, Packers.
B
Bears, Packers. Historically have been an incredible rivalry. Again, two fan bases that absolutely hate each other within the same division. Obviously, that counts for something as well.
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Close in proximity.
B
Close in proximity.
A
It's always freezing cold. Like, I remember Dom Mikowski playing quarterback for Green Bay. It was like the first real Green Bay Chicago game I'd ever seen.
B
Right.
A
Where they, like, you can tell they hated each other. And you're like, oh, they're professionals. But there's something about. And you can speak to this, too. There's something about when the media is telling you to hate them, when the fans hate them so much, it actually promotes the hatred within you.
B
Right. You can feel it.
A
Yeah.
B
Yeah.
A
And so therefore, you have to go out and represent the hatred of your own people.
B
Yes.
A
And so Aaron Rodgers owning the Bears for all those years, for a long time. And again, I think two teams geographically that close makes it bitter.
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Bitter.
A
So I'm going Packers, Bears as my number two rivalry. What about you?
B
I'm going to go the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Baltimore Ravens.
A
I had that for three. So you take over. Tell me why.
B
I mean, the physicality of these two teams, the way that they play, the competitiveness, it's just always a dogfight. I mean, they get after each other, and you can feel it. The players are talking smack to each other. And it's. It's that AFC north just get. Let's. Let's buckle our chin straps and have a fist fight in a phone booth. And those are the type of games that you get up for. And it's usually always meaningful games late in the year against two outstanding organizations that have had a lot of success. And again, it's something that when you watch it as a fan, you feel the energy on both sides, the hatred for one another. But they're two really competitive organizations.
A
Yeah. And I think proximity a major part of it. They both play a similar brand of football as well, where I think if Juan was running a wide open.
B
No, it's smash mouth. Come downhill, take your head off.
A
Yeah. So, yeah, that would have been my number three. I think you said it better than I could have said it. What is your number three?
B
My number three. I mean, I'm gonna go back to the current right now. I. I believe that the Detroit Lions and Green Bay packers have a pretty good rivalry going on right now because, number one, both these teams are playoff teams, and Detroit has kind of come into their own over these last few seasons. Green Bay, I think, has always probably been seen as the star of that division. But I remember, what was it two years ago that Detroit knocked him out of the playoffs in Green Bay. And so I think that there's a hatred for each other. And it's also one of those teams that they play a physical brown brand of ball. And so again, it's just proximity to each other, but same division rivalries, and currently right now, two really good teams.
A
Kevin, who would you put up there? Number one is definitely for me, Steelers, Ravens, and I think a little hidden gem would be the Niners and the Seahawks. They hate each other, I feel like for a while now. And they're fans, west coast, so it doesn't get a lot of love, but I feel like those teams really don't like each other. Honorable Mention the Cowboys and everybody.
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Cowboys and everybody.
A
Their fans and everybody. Yeah, yeah. Anybody against the Cowboys? What about the Patriots? Yeah, I was gonna say the Colts. I mean, so that was more of a Manning break. I'm outside looking in. Outside looking in.
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Yeah. Maybe that's coming from fan perspective inside the building. I. It was the craziest thing, and I don't know if it was because Bill had history of coaching with the jets and all that stuff. The Jets. Every time we played the jets, there was a hatred with. In the building. And it started with Bill Belichick and he wanted to embarrass that team.
A
Is that rare to see from him?
B
Like, it was rare because every, every team you put on the same level. Right. And no team was bigger than the next. No game was bigger than the next. But for some reason, jets week was different. He wanted to beat the dog shit out of this team and he would openly kind of say it and communicate it to the, to everybody. And we say it's jets week.
A
Yeah.
B
And it's the only game that we'd go into and say it's jets week.
A
Is that a win one for the Gipper game?
B
I think so. And the luckily, I mean, we were pretty good team.
A
I think the way that they dominated really kind of put it was so one sided, where it was like, I mean, I can't stand the jets, but as far as you rivalry goes, you beat them so bad. It wasn't a rivalry. It was like eight years in a.
B
Row they didn't win. I know. And I have no idea. I thought the same thing. Getting there. It kind of caught me off guard, like jets week. But I thought, well, he just kind of. It's a New York is the same, you know, it's a New York Boston. I think it's a New York Boston thing. I mean, and he just would get up for that game and wouldn't just annihilate the Jets. It was awesome.
A
That's fun. Yeah, it's fun to have someone that is so consistent every once in a while. Being consistent because 100% because of like an emotional value. Because with Belichick, I definitely don't know him like you do. It's the same every week. But that's his brand. But when it's not, it feels that much more significant and it kind of feels refreshing.
B
You're kind of sitting there like, oh, this feels a little different.
A
All right, let's do it.
B
The vibes going, let's go, man.
A
That's awesome.
B
Yeah.
A
Final thing before we Jump. But if you're a player and you were like, when it's July, what in the heck are you even doing?
B
Well, it's interesting because you've got really two down periods right, right after season, and depending on whether or not you go to playoffs or if you're out right after season, you get pretty substantial time, and that's kind of where you take time off. But when you get to this point, a lot of people think, you know, you might go on a little bit of a getaway, but you're kind of grinding. I used to always grind harder during this period of time, getting myself ready to go for camp. So I went into camp in shape. I was going to go out and dominate the run test. I was going to be. My arm was going to be in shape. So it's not. You're in the third day of double days and your arms getting sore. So I think for a lot of the athletes, especially in the NFL, during this time period, you're just revving the engine. You're getting yourself focused, ready. You're pushing yourself to be at your best when you get to camp.
A
Would you see guys that obviously were coming in out of shape and didn't do that?
B
You sure would. You sure would. And they'd pay the price because I'm telling you, the conditioning test is a beast. Depending on which conditioning test you're doing, and you constantly see guys throwing up at the condition. And I was like, you know, this is coming immediately when we get to camp. You already know that we're running Gassers 300, so we're running the 60, 60 yard sprints. We're running 20 of them. So, like, the fact that you're not in shape says something probably more about the player than it does about anything else. Because you're sitting there, you're a professional athlete. This is what we do for a living. You should be in shape, ready to go, because that's how you get a pulled hamstring. And then you're out for half of camp because you can't recover. And now you set not only yourself, but the team back because you're not out there and you're a guy that we're counting on.
A
Where would you train?
B
Oh, man, I would train all over. Sometimes I'd be out in California and I'd have a guy that I'd go to and we'd do all the workouts and all that stuff. And then I'd go over and there would always be professional wide receivers in the area. Whether it was Julian Edelman or Amendola or Chad Ochocika would come out with.
A
Like, where at usc?
B
Either usc, ucla. Sometimes we'd go to a high school so we just find a spot to go throw and get our work in. And all those guys are dedicated to what we're doing and understand that they need to get work on and not. We weren't always on the same team. It was just guys that wanted to get work in. And we all have the same route concepts or patterns, whether it's a slant, a hitch and out, whatever it might be. And so you're just getting good quality work in and getting your arm in shape and doing your footwork drills and just getting ready to rock and roll.
A
And when you move to a place like Tennessee and there aren't as many NFL players just hanging out, like, how do you get work in then?
B
Well, a lot of times there's guys that are here in town as well, in the city that you play in. Not everybody disperses and goes to. Back to Florida or California or wherever they're from. A lot of guys will be here for that exact reason. I'm saying we'll go in and work out at the facility, and then we'll find a place to go throw and get our work in that way. So it's not always one of those things that you.
A
You're.
B
You don't have anybody to throw to most of the time, particularly younger guys that aren't maybe as. As. As established. They'll stay in the city that they're about to play and you have guys to throw to.
A
Would you have keys to the fortress at any point? Like, if you want to work out regardless and you're on the team, could you get in anytime?
B
Pretty much. I don't recall. Other than the lockout that happened in 2010, which was the weirdest thing, where they're like, we went back for one day and I met the new, new offensive coordinate coordinator, Jim Zorn. And then the very next day, he said, sorry, you can't come in anymore. You're. We're back in the lockout. They're trying to figure something out with negotiations. They said, we can come back. I came back for a day, met him, and then it was once again the lockout. You couldn't come in. It was the weirdest time period ever.
A
Maybe it was you. He didn't, he didn't like Matt. He's like, no, we're back in the lockout.
B
We're back in lockout. And I've had a new Enough of your conversation. Jamal Adams clip where he's trying to get in the building.
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Summary of "Lots to Say: Holiday Recap, HR Derby, and CFB/NFL Rivalries" on The Bobby Bones Show
Release Date: July 9, 2025 | Host: Bobby Bones | Produced by Premiere Networks
Bobby Bones and Matt Castle kick off the episode by sharing their experiences from the recent Fourth of July weekend. Bobby recounts hosting a lively gathering at home with family and friends, featuring activities like setting up slip 'n slides, playing kickball, and enjoying fireworks.
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The conversation turns to the impact of fireworks on their pets. Bobby expresses frustration over the continuous fireworks displays, especially concerning his dogs' fear.
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The duo transitions to discussing their recent movie outings. Bobby mentions attending a Formula 1 (F1) race, highlighting his admiration for Brad Pitt's performance in the event.
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Their conversation shifts to their experiences watching "Jurassic World: Rebirth." Both express disappointment with the film's storyline and character development.
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Bobby shares an amusing anecdote about an inconsiderate moviegoer distracted by his phone, detracting from the viewing experience.
Matt opens up about a harrowing experience involving a near plane crash. While en route to Buffalo, their plane had to make an emergency landing due to an engine alarm indicating a possible fire. The ordeal left both Matt and his family traumatized.
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Bobby relates this to a recent tragic event at an airport where a 35-year-old man was fatally injured after being sucked into an Airbus A319 engine while breaching security.
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They also discuss other bizarre airport-related incidents, highlighting the importance of security and safety measures.
Bobby shares his enthusiasm for participating in the Home Run Derby X at All-Star Weekend in Atlanta. He humorously acknowledges his rusty skills from playing softball years ago and discusses his preparation efforts, including batting practice with local teams.
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They delve into the challenges of preparing for such an event, emphasizing the difference between using wooden and metal bats.
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A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to an in-depth discussion on college football and NFL rivalries. Bobby and Matt explore legendary matchups, the impact of coaching strategies, and the evolving landscape due to recent changes like Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) policies.
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They analyze current rivalries, such as the Buffalo Bills vs. Kansas City Chiefs, highlighting the star quarterbacks Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes as central figures fueling the competition.
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Bobby also touches on the challenges teams face with the transfer portal and the necessity for stability in coaching to maintain competitive rosters.
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The conversation underscores the passion and intensity that rivalries bring to both college football and the NFL, shaping team dynamics and fan engagement.
As the episode wraps up, Bobby and Matt reflect on the importance of staying in shape during the off-season, sharing tips and personal routines to maintain peak performance for upcoming sports events.
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This episode of The Bobby Bones Show offers a blend of personal anecdotes, sports analysis, and lively discussions, providing listeners with engaging content that covers recent holiday celebrations, upcoming sporting events, and deep dives into beloved football rivalries.