Lots to Say: Injuries, Power Rankings, and Actor Bill Fagerbakke

Summary

The Bobby Bones Show – “Lots to Say: Injuries, Power Rankings, and Actor Bill Fagerbakke”

Date: December 17, 2025
Host: Bobby Bones, Matt Castle
Special Guest: Bill Fagerbakke (voice of Patrick Star from SpongeBob, Dauber on ‘Coach’)

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Episode Overview

This episode brings a lively mix of NFL talk and pop culture, as Bobby, Matt, and crew dive into:

• The emotional minefield of gift-giving and love languages (with Christmas just around the corner)
• Major NFL injury updates and their playoff implications
• Fresh power rankings and candid debate on contenders/pretenders
• Noteworthy divisional races and playoff races
• An engaging, in-depth interview with actor and voice legend Bill Fagerbakke on his career, football origins, and secrets behind Patrick Star
• And the always entertaining game picks and fantasy football banter

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Major Discussion Points & Highlights

1. Christmas, Love Languages & Gift-Giving Fails (03:28 – 13:19)

• The guys reflect on gift-giving struggles, especially for spouses and kids.
• Love Languages: Bobby, Kevin, and Matt compare theirs, from physical touch to gift-giving and words of affirmation.
• Notable Quote:
  Bobby Bones (on why gift-giving is his love language):

  “We grew up very poor ... So when someone gave me a gift, I was like, ‘oh, they must really love me.’ ... Therefore, I thought, if I can also get people gifts for the same reason, they’ll love me. ... I am an A-plus gift giver.” (06:24)

• Funny stories about bad gifts, accidental reveal of surprise presents, and the pressure to nail Christmas—even when shopping for babies.

2. Big NFL Injuries & Their Impact (13:25 – 19:00)

• Patrick Mahomes’ season-ending injury and its ripple effect on the league.
  • Comparison to Tom Brady’s historic run (“Double goats” segment, 15:18)
  • Explanation of the challenges in returning from a December ACL tear.
  • Mahomes’ prognosis: MCL wasn’t damaged, which may help recovery, but he’ll miss crucial ramp-up time (16:02)
• Micah Parsons’ injury:
  • "Might be more impactful... for the Green Bay Packers because they're in a position to go to the playoffs and compete" (13:25)
  • Parsons’ loss considered a huge blow for a contending defense.
  • The December timing could derail the Packers’ postseason potential.

3. Power Rankings & Playoff Picture (23:17 – 29:58)

• Bobby reveals his NFL top five teams, betting strategies, and debate ensues over the real Super Bowl contenders.
• Top 5 Teams:
  1. Rams
  2. Seahawks
  3. Broncos
  4. Buffalo
  5. San Francisco
• On the Broncos:
  • “Am I a believer? No. Do I think someone can go into Denver and beat them if they don’t get the 1 seed in the first round? Yes.” (29:58)
• Seattle vs. Rams Thursday Night Game:
  • Both teams analyzed as true contenders.
• Bobby’s Betting Insight:
  • “I’m not a Georgia fan, but... they were like fourth [in NCAA odds].” (24:42)
• Honorable Mentions: Patriots (6), Chicago Bears (7 or 8)

4. Coach of the Year Debate (31:54 – 34:41)

• Several candidates make the cut:
  • Vrabel (Pats), Ben Johnson (Chicago), Sean Payton (Denver), Liam Cohen (Jags), Kyle Shanahan (49ers)
• Bobby’s Pick:
  • “I think you give the coach of the year to the person who's coaching the best this year. And I think a 12–2 Broncos team... I think you give it to them” (34:08)
• Kevin’s Pick:
  • “I'm gonna go with Vrabel. I just think what he's done with a very, very young team... ten straight wins...” (32:55)

5. NFL Player Home Burglaries & Personal Safety (38:59 – 43:19)

• Jeffrey Simmons (Titans) home burglary:
  • Discussion about security risks for athletes—“They know their schedule” (39:09)
  • Personal stories from Kevin and Bobby about being robbed, the violation felt, and precautions.
  • “I always have somebody in my house if I’m not here.” (41:05, Bobby Bones)
  • Reflection on the possibility of inside jobs or acquaintances tipping off criminals.

6. Game Picks & Weekend Preview (46:24 – 49:24)

• Seahawks vs. Rams: Both pick Seattle.
• Packers vs. Bears: Both pick Bears (“Nothing screams split like two really good teams that are playing two times in three weeks.” – Bobby, 48:31)
• Jags vs. Broncos: Kevin with Broncos, Bobby with Jags (“Even worse. Trevor Lawrence for MVP. Let's go.”—49:16)

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Interview Spotlight: Bill Fagerbakke (Patrick Star from SpongeBob, Dauber from Coach)

(54:52 – 77:09) – Highly Recommended Segment

Career Beginnings & Playing Dauber on ‘Coach’ (55:34 – 58:04)

• Bill moved from NY theater to LA sitcoms; “I’d never done TV before” (55:53)
• Dauber’s character based on a real Idaho assistant coach (“Tuna”) who didn’t appreciate being the inspiration, but Bill is unapologetic.

Athlete/Performer Crossover (58:04 – 59:20)

• Bill on moving from D1 football to theater:

  “That whole thing athletes have... performance focus and attention to detail… when I quit football after my knee got blown out... got in the show and like, three days later, I went, oh, this is my deal. This is my jam.” (58:04)

From Football to Voiceover: Getting the Call for SpongeBob (62:23 – 65:00)

• Booked a cartoon dog gig thanks to Dauber’s voice (“[they] want the dog to sound like Dauber from Coach... I said, oh, well, sounds fun, but what if I don’t get it? That would be depressing.” – 63:34)
• Details his unique audition for SpongeBob (“a conference room, quiet, unassuming Stephen Hillenburg... played me the voice of Spongeboy… perhaps the luckiest day of my life.” – 63:34)

Patrick Star’s Evolution & Relationship with SpongeBob (66:03 – 67:41)

• Patrick “gelled” thanks to chemistry with Tom Kenny (SpongeBob):
  • “Tom's doing a lot of the heavy lifting there.” (67:41)
  • Bobby compares his rise to Steve Urkel’s accidental stardom on Family Matters.

Behind the Scenes: Voice Work & Anonymity (69:00 – 74:40)

• On recording when sick: “For voiceover work, since Patrick lives in the basement anyway, vocally, certain afflictions might not impede my ability...” (69:04)
• The hidden upside: “That's one of the beautiful things about voiceover: the physical anonymity of it.” (73:53)
• Bill’s favorite Patrick Star line:

  “The inner machinations of my mind are an enigma.” (75:06)

  • Describes the visual gag with milk spilling—remains a personal favorite.

Great Moments

• Bill reveals Tom Kenny’s encyclopedic love of music and his band (Tom Kenny and the High Seas, 67:51)
• How performing comedy live is “so invigorating,” and the challenge of making jokes work for a new, uninvested audience (70:44)

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Divisional Races, Playoffs, and Conference Strength (81:38 – 91:21)

• NFC West is the wildest race: Rams, Seahawks, and 49ers (81:53)
• AFC South: Jags and Texans still alive
• Bobby’s Conference Power Ranking:
  • “The AFC now is the Big Ten and the NFC is the SEC.” (86:41)
  • Worries about AFC consistency, trusts NFC teams more in playoffs—except the Bills, the only AFC squad he “believes in” (87:18)
• MVP and QB debates: Stafford vs. Allen, who’s more valuable and who would you want? (90:19)

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Notable Quotes

• “I think the Broncos are still a contender, yes, but I don’t think the Packers are a contender anymore. I think Micah Parsons was the separator.”
  — Bobby Bones (17:29)
• “When you’re six-six and walking around, you don’t really need people to recognize you because you’re too big anyway.”
  — Bill Fagerbakke (73:53)
• “I love that cartoon… in many ways, I believe it’s a perfect cartoon.”
  — Bill Fagerbakke on the original SpongeBob pilot (65:13)
• “I just like… the quarterback is the biggest game changer.”
  — Bobby Bones (90:10)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Christmas/Love Languages & Gift Struggles: 03:28 – 13:19
• Injury Impact Discussion: 13:25 – 19:00
• Power Rankings & Playoff Preview: 23:17 – 29:58
• Coach of the Year Discussion: 31:54 – 34:41
• Player Security & Robbery Stories: 38:59 – 43:19
• Game Picks Preview: 46:24 – 49:24
• Bill Fagerbakke Interview: 54:52 – 77:09
• Divisional and Playoff Race Analysis: 81:38 – 91:21

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Final Thoughts

This episode blends spirited sports debate, real-life stories, and a delightful celebrity interview. The love language/gift-giving chat brings warmth and humor, while the NFL segments deliver honest, experience-backed insights. The Bill Fagerbakke interview, in particular, is a masterclass for both football and SpongeBob fans—full of anecdotes, laughter, and wisdom.

Next Week: Don't miss Scott Hansen (NFL RedZone) as the featured guest!

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Special Thanks: Bill Fagerbakke and all listeners!

Transcript

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[Matt Castle]

We got lots to say we got lots to say.

[Bobby Bones]

We're glad you're here and we hope.

[Matt Castle]

You stay Cause we got lots to.

[Bobby Bones]

Say.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, we got lots to say. Now here's Bobby and Matt.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, welcome to the episode. We do have Bill Fagerbach coming on, who is the voice of Patrick Starr in spongebob, who also played college football, who also was Dauber in coach. We've already done the interview. It was awesome.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

It was awesome.

[Kevin]

I mean, how unique is his voice, too, and how he can just go into that character and just that he.

[Bobby Bones]

Played ball, so he knows ball.

[Kevin]

Knows ball.

[Bobby Bones]

But also a big part of. And I don't have kids yet, but I've watched so much SpongeBob because that show's been on for 25 years. 30 years.

[Kevin]

I know. I. I can honestly say that I've watched a few of them over the years, but not that many.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, I've watched.

[Kevin]

But now. Now I'm very appreciative of it, and I'm going to go back and watch all the reruns from the last 20 years.

[Bobby Bones]

It's a great interview. So that's coming up. We were talking about Christmas before we actually started recording. I think that's a fun thing to revisit. So let's start with you. What you asked me. You asked me if I already got my wife's Christmas present.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

Which I'm not going to say what it is now because.

[Kevin]

No, because she won't watch out there.

[Bobby Bones]

But they will message her and tell her for me. Are you a big love language believer?

[Kevin]

I mean, do you know about it? Yes. Like, the different. What is their different categories of love? Love language. I'm definitely physical touch.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, you are. I am not at all.

[Kevin]

I can tell that, like, come up. You up. No, dude, keep your distance.

[Bobby Bones]

You are. You're a physical touch. And I know what you do now because again, I've said this before, but every time we have the show, I. I walk in, castle, guitar gives me a big hug. And I know part of it is just for show now because, you know, it makes me uncomfortable, but I also think that's just part of who you are.

[Kevin]

It is. I'm a hugger. It's both. Everybody that I see that I actually recognize, and I know I'm going to go up and make a point to give them a hug, say, what's up? That's just who I am.

[Bobby Bones]

Is that your giver? Is it also what you want from people, Physical touch? Because my wife's like, she loves time.

[Kevin]

Yes, my wife's quality time, too.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Okay. So you know, all of them, you're acting like, you know.

[Kevin]

Well, you asked me, do you know the love language sounds like.

[Bobby Bones]

But you act like you never heard it. No, no. You were playing it like, I don't know. I think. And then all of a sudden you're like, well, page 64.2 says physical touch is.

[Kevin]

Yeah, I read the entire book and I've been studying.

[Bobby Bones]

So what do you want from people? Which one?

[Kevin]

See, I don't like gifts. You're saying in terms of the connection.

[Bobby Bones]

What is your love language of receiving? Is it physical touch?

[Kevin]

It's both. From my wife. Physical touch. No, but from other people. I just want to see them smile. I want to try to put a smile on somebody's face.

[Bobby Bones]

It's kind of affirmation.

[Kevin]

I don't know what it is. Like, I try to bring an energy and try to get a response in a positive manner.

[Bobby Bones]

Big positive energy guy.

[Kevin]

I mean, I'm a positive energy guy. If I can bring a little bit of positive energy to your day, then I've done my job.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, you're one of the most positive energy guys that I know. You and my friend Eddie are very positive all the time. Like, you just like to be around you guys. Brandon's like that, too. You're just so positive all the time. Yeah, no, he is. But you're so positive. So you want to. From your wife, you want. That's why you have five kids. But you have. You want to give and you want to receive words. I'll say words of affirmation. For me, even though you don't want the words. I just take affirmation as. You want to make people happy.

[Kevin]

Yeah, I want to make people happy. I think words of affirmation would probably be a close second.

[Bobby Bones]

But is that not what it is? But what is that one then? I think that's just. Will you read me all the love languages?

[Kevin]

Kevin, Physical touch is one thing you haven't.

[Matt Castle]

Brandon, what do you have?

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. Okay. Yep. So I think this. You want people to have a reaction, like a happy. I think that's closest towards that affirmation.

[Kevin]

Probably similar.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm gifts giving, gifts getting.

[Kevin]

Are you really both? And what does that say about you?

[Bobby Bones]

I never got gifts.

[Kevin]

When you break it down, never got.

[Bobby Bones]

Gifts as a kid.

[Kevin]

That makes sense.

[Bobby Bones]

So when someone gave me a gift, we grew up very poor. When someone gave me a gift, I was like, oh, they must really love me. Yeah, because we don't get stuff, right? Christmas, we don't really get presents. We don't really have Christmas. Like, we had the day, but it wasn't like a traditional watch on television Christmas where you wake up and get gifts. That very rarely happened. So when someone got me a gift, I was like, oh, this is crazy. They must really love me. Therefore, I thought, if I can also get people gifts for the Same reason they'll love me. And I understand it's all rooted and it's probably not accurate, but I am an A plus gift giver.

[Kevin]

I am the exact opposite.

[Bobby Bones]

I'll give you an example. I'm going to glaze myself for a second.

[Kevin]

Yeah, glaze it.

[Bobby Bones]

Whenever I was looking for. When we were doing the jersey giveaways, I found that old Cowboys jersey of yours.

[Kevin]

Greatest gift ever.

[Bobby Bones]

And I was like, this is the greatest gift ever. And like, I was. I felt fulfilled because I found your old locker jersey from the Cowboys.

[Kevin]

It was unbelievable.

[Bobby Bones]

And I. But I was so proud of myself for that because I knew that you would like it. Like, that's my love language. That's me going, I really like you. I really respect you, and I've spent my time hopefully getting you something that you enjoy. So with that being said, my wife benefits greatly from the gift giving of me. But she, her love language. Receiving is not gifts.

[Kevin]

It's not gifts.

[Bobby Bones]

No. And I wrought gifts a couple Christmases ago. She wanted an outdoor fireplace, but not for Christmas. She just mentioned it a couple times, and I listened. And so we left. Good for like five days. And I had the whole thing orchestrated. They came and built a full outdoor fireplace. And when we got back home, she was going to see it right outside the big window in the backyard. And the problem was, as we were coming back home, we were looking at one of my emails. Has something to do with the work. I was like, read this. And we got the notification from the person, hey, we just finished the outdoor fireplace.

[Kevin]

Did she melt, though?

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Did she.

[Bobby Bones]

She act like she didn't see it. And I knew she saw it. She also can't lie.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Commercial Voice 1]

So I didn't.

[Bobby Bones]

I didn't say it at first. I was like, I know you saw that. I was like, hey, did you see anything in that email? And she was like, I cannot tell a lie. I chopped down the cherry tree. So she said, yeah. And so A plus gift. Bad, bad way. Getting it to her because I just should have hid my phone. But then people are like, don't hide your phone to meet your cheating. Yeah, that's my love language. Kevin, what is yours receiving?

[Julian Edelman]

Probably words of affirmation.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I feel shallow saying mine are gifts, but it is. It's giving and getting gifts.

[Kevin]

Hey, everybody's a little different.

[Bobby Bones]

I know.

[Kevin]

That's why there's, like.

[Bobby Bones]

When he says that, I feel odd about it because I'm like, man, I'm so, like, shallow because.

[Kevin]

Wait, but you don't. You wouldn't say words of affirmation are in the mix for you at all. Like somebody saying that they appreciate you.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't believe anybody.

[Kevin]

Huh? Well. Well, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And I always. I think everybody's out, out to get something.

[Julian Edelman]

Do you think physical thing that's why you feel shallow instead of an emotional attachment to anything?

[Bobby Bones]

No, I just think it's a gift thing. Sure. I just think it's a gift. But physical. I don't like touch either.

[Kevin]

See, I'm one of those people where it's physical is one thing, but I think the physical aspect for most men is emotional. And so I'm talking about it's not the actual act of intimacy in the bedroom and all that. That's one thing, but that's separate than if you hold my hand, if you come up and put your arm around me. And I feel loved in that sense. That for me is all I need during the day because I'm a physical, like physical touch is what is my true love.

[Bobby Bones]

Were your parents big huggers?

[Kevin]

Yeah, they were all big huggers. Same. Same way, right? That we are big personalities. Huggers, very affectionate. All my siblings are the same way. And with my siblings, though, physical touch, the way we show each other love, especially with my brothers, is we beat the hell out of each other. That's what we did when we were younger. But it was a way to show, hey, I still love you. That's probably why we're so close. Still to this day, we all are.

[Bobby Bones]

Our parents, or lack of parents.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Yes, yes.

[Bobby Bones]

One of the two. So yours is words to get.

[Julian Edelman]

To get.

[Bobby Bones]

What is yours to give? What's the most comfortable to give?

[Julian Edelman]

Pro the hearing you talk about it, probably the gift giving. I enjoy giving gifts and sometimes I have to tell myself like, okay, you're good. Like Christmas time. Okay, you got them a couple gifts. You don't need to get them seven things. Just get them a couple things and you're good to go. Because then I feel like I'm overdoing it.

[Kevin]

Just like you're. When you told us that you were really stressed out and it's really hard to pick gifts for a one year old dude.

[Bobby Bones]

God, that's what we want. Says that by the way, he has twins and they're not even a year old. He's like, I don't know what to get them for Christmas.

[Kevin]

Oh, man, so difficult.

[Bobby Bones]

A string.

[Kevin]

Literally. Get them something to put in their mouth and suck on. Put a donut on a string.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes, yes.

[Kevin]

What is the matter with.

[Julian Edelman]

Threw me off Because I'm like, oh, this is cool. And then I look at it, it's like four and over, and I'm like, what?

[Bobby Bones]

I'm going to know the difference.

[Julian Edelman]

I know. But then I feel like I'm. And then I overthink it and I just like go down the hole. And I got him some good stuff, guys.

[Kevin]

But it took me got him a PlayStation.

[Julian Edelman]

I'm like, this for them or for.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

I don't know.

[Kevin]

Oh, I'm the worst.

[Bobby Bones]

Got on the new apple goggles, the four grand goggles. You're the worst what?

[Kevin]

Worst gift giver. I mean, I'm thoughtful, but I panic because my wife, she's really hard to shop for. Over the years, you accumulate stuff. You can do the jewelry, you can do the purse. But I also will say, hey, what would you like? And she's like, you know me. I'm like, that is the worst thing you could possibly tell me. And then I go into gorilla mode where I just panic and start pressing things. Probably that she doesn't want. But you, you just buy quantity. Yeah, quantity for sure. For sure. There's been a few times I've crushed. Most of the time it's a failure. Or the other part is I'll get her a piece of jewelry that I think, look, spend some money on this. She's going to love it. And she'll go, I know exactly what happens when she opens a present and she goes, honey, I can't accept this. That means she doesn't like it.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, she doesn't want to accept.

[Kevin]

Because there's been plenty, plenty pieces that have come in. And she's like, oh, my God, thank you so much. Like the earrings I got her, she never takes them off, loves them. But anything that she's like, maybe I'll exchange this. You know, it's gotta be a little bit removed about a week or two. And she's like, you know, babe, I think maybe this is too much. Maybe I'll exchange it for the same exact amount.

[Bobby Bones]

See, who thought an NFL podcast would start with us talking about love languages?

[Kevin]

Oh, dude. But Christmas is around the corner. And I'm just like, oh, have you not. And now I'm not only stressed out, I'm not only stressed out about my wife, now I'm stressed out about you.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, you don't.

[Kevin]

Oh, yeah, look, he just put. Yeah, I should be.

[Bobby Bones]

What about the kids? You done? Or do you. Does your wife do that?

[Kevin]

God bless her. Yeah. That's why it's really important that I go make sure. That she feels loved and taken care of because of all the stuff that she takes care of when I'm traveling, when I'm gone, kids, school. But then she also handles Christmas like a champion. She's on the Black Friday deal. She's on this, that, and the other a month ahead of time, and I'm not.

[Bobby Bones]

You guys still deal shop even though you made a ton of money?

[Kevin]

Oh, 100%. She does.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Well, did.

[Kevin]

We've got five kids. You better deal shop. She gets ahead of it.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't know if you had them, like, working as well.

[Kevin]

I don't shop.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't.

[Kevin]

Oh, 100%. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

They're out on. Yeah.

[Kevin]

Get out there on the farm. Bail that. Hey, yeah. Earn your allowance.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. Well, where do we start? You want to go? There's so many. There's. There's 100 storylines. You want to go?

[Kevin]

Sure, I'll go. Obviously, big injuries last weekend, Patrick Mahomes going down. He's the face of the league, and it's devastating anytime you see that, especially late in the year. But I would make the case right now that Micah's Parson's injury might be more impactful just as a season, as a whole for the Green Bay packers because they're in a position to go to the playoffs and compete. And he was such an integral part coming in. And also what he did for that defense was pretty remarkable. He had 12 and a half sacks on the season. The pressure rate was there, and now they lose their biggest weapon on the defensive side of the ball going into playoffs. I think that that's going to hurt them going into playoffs in a big, big way.

[Bobby Bones]

Is the torn ACL the NBA's Achilles?

[Kevin]

Yeah. You don't see as many Achilles in the NFL. Even though Daniel Jones just said one.

[Bobby Bones]

Don'T we think probably that was rooted in his leg injury to begin with? Because a lot of times those Achilles in the NBA, they'll happen when there's a calf in the strain or a strain in the calf.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And listen, what do I know? I don't have a. I'm not an MD. I am a PhD.

[Kevin]

Yeah, you are, Ben, But.

[Bobby Bones]

So I'm not a medical doctor, but I'm the closest one in this room.

[Kevin]

You're the closest one by far. So your thought is.

[Bobby Bones]

My thought is. Well, it is very unfortunate. And especially the Chiefs were going to make the playoffs until that injury. The Chiefs were there.

[Kevin]

They were driving.

[Bobby Bones]

They were going to tie it, win it.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Remarkable. And I know as Pat's Fans and mostly I would say you're a rational Patriots fan. You played for the Patriots. Kevin is an irrational Patriots fan because he spent his whole life loving the Patriots. And it makes me happy to see that Patrick Mahomes still will not play a snap that he's out of contention. Just like Tom Brady. Tom Brady never played a snap. Out of contention for the playoffs. The thing was that the Chiefs lost. Patrick Mahomes was going to play snaps out of contention. Sorry he hurt himself.

[Kevin]

He never has. And the crazy part, just to look at both of their careers. Brie did his in the ninth season. This is the ninth season. They both what been to three Super Bowls. There's so many different comparisons. It's pretty wild.

[Bobby Bones]

Double goats. What I've been saying.

[Kevin]

Double double goats.

[Bobby Bones]

We're double goat.

[Kevin]

We're double goat.

[Bobby Bones]

And it sucks because. And I did see the update that Andy Reid said that Mahomes injuries did not include other injuries around the injury, which hopefully is a quicker road to recovery.

[Kevin]

Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

That doesn't mean that that tear was any less significant. But other part, the MCL wasn't damaged.

[Kevin]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

The other Cls. I'm not sure there are a lot of Cls around that Cl. McL.

[Kevin]

Wasn't there an LCL? Yep.

[Bobby Bones]

Hopefully he's able to bounce back because in next year's NFL, I have them number one in the power rankings next year.

[Kevin]

Yes, Next year's number number one. The power rankings next year.

[Bobby Bones]

Not right now. They got to fall out way too early. Power rankings.

[Kevin]

You know, I, I say a December ACL makes it much more difficult to be ready to start the season because it truly is. Well, with modern medicine and the ability to fix these things, it's a lot quicker in terms of your rehab and getting back on the field. But you don't want to force themselves in the lineup too early. So how much is that going to impact them starting next year and where they're going to be out? Because again, it's, it's a long road to recovery and the fact that it happened in December just kind of set you back a little bit more.

[Bobby Bones]

You make a great point about the December because even if he is 100% from his injury whenever the season starts next year, he's not going to be 100% as he traditionally is as he goes through camp practice getting himself in shape. Like he's not going to be able to do that at the same level. So even if his leg is 100% by game one, his body and mind will not be 100%. Because he doesn't have the luxury to get himself in shape.

[Kevin]

Right. You're going to miss all OTAs. And most of that is going to be all toward your rehab sense of urgency to get back the focus on the knee. But then it's baby steps. Every. Every part of that recovery is month by month. Where are you at constantly being reevaluated and then you hit the ground running. If you can get in there at camp. And it'll probably be very moderate in terms of his reps even in camp because they want to protect him.

[Bobby Bones]

I think the packers are still a contender. Yes, but I don't think the packers are a contender anymore. I think Micah Parsons was the separator.

[Kevin]

He was the X factor.

[Bobby Bones]

And that is really unfortunate because again, we're also talking about same with my homes. A December ACL tear. So this season not good. I did see Christian Watson, what we planned. It looks like if he wants to play this weekend, he can. Not that that's the same significance of Michael Parsons injury, because it's not. You're looking at probably a top five overall defensive player in the league.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Right?

[Bobby Bones]

I think there's like two guys you'd put over them. Well, maybe just one. Maybe one defensive player is.

[Kevin]

But Miles Garrett.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, Miles Garrett. Max Crosby is on a sucky team. If he was on a better team.

[Kevin]

Maybe he's a savage.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, but certain Michael Parsons.

[Kevin]

Yeah, but. But to be impactful when you're talking about the trenches itself and also you always have to know where he is because we used to go up against guys like that and we would turn the offensive line to him, but they would create singles. And if they create a single with him one on one, you better understand that the ball's got to come out. And that's. That's the type of impact he has on a game, particularly in the mind of the quarterback.

[Bobby Bones]

They're still a contender, but I don't think they're a contender. That contender NFC is so muddled. Oh, it's crazy with good teams.

[Kevin]

Yeah, it's.

[Bobby Bones]

It's. There's like seven or eight of them. Yeah, they all could probably win the freaking Super Bowl. Foreign.

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[Bobby Bones]

Which takes me to my power rankings.

[Kevin]

Thank you for power rankings.

[Bobby Bones]

All right, Power rankings. Here we go. Number five. And I just bet a bunch of money on this team to win the super bowl because I like their odds of getting the number one seed. I don't think they'll get it, but I think they have a decent shot. And if they get a number one seed, I think they have a chance to win it. They're getting healthy, they're not going to get their biggest, they're not getting Fred Warner back and I'm talking about San Francisco. But I do think they are becoming stronger as the season goes. At number five, have San Francisco at 10 and five. I like that they will win next week against the Colts. So that'll put them in 11 and five with two games to go. I put a thousand bucks on San Francisco to win. What is the odds they're 10 and 4. Excuse me?

[Kevin]

Odds gotta be great.

[Bobby Bones]

They, they're high. So it was a thousand bucks to win, like 21,000.

[Kevin]

That's a good bet.

[Bobby Bones]

And I do feel like San Francisco can, if things fall right, win the championship. I do think they can freaking go to the super bowl and win, but things have to fall, right? I just like their odds a whole lot. It's not even that I'm a big San Francisco guy.

[Kevin]

Yeah, but you're definitely going to be rooting for him in the playoffs.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, yeah.

[Kevin]

Hard, hard, hard.

[Bobby Bones]

I've got two significant bets out right now and both weren't because I thought they were the best teams. I just liked the odds. And that was San Francisco now in the NFL and Georgia Bulldogs in college football. I'm not a Georgia fan, but I like where they fell. I think they're good enough to win it. And they were like fourth.

[Kevin]

Really?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Overall, Ohio State was one. Indiana was two. At three was possibly Texas Tech. I don't know where it is now. Maybe Tech. Not sure. Not what we're talking about.

[Kevin]

Money line, sorry.

[Bobby Bones]

At number four, I have Buffalo 10 and four.

[Kevin]

Buffalo. Big win this last weekend.

[Bobby Bones]

Big win.

[Kevin]

Big win. And the fact that they were down.

[Bobby Bones]

21, you hate to see them go down. You guys didn't. Pat's fans. But let's remove your Pats hats.

[Kevin]

No.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Yeah, remove it.

[Bobby Bones]

Take your Pats hats off.

[Kevin]

Yeah, it's gone.

[Bobby Bones]

You hate to see Buffalo constantly fall in the first half, which they're doing a lot.

[Kevin]

A lot. I mean, to be down 21 to nothing on the road and then just roar back five straight possessions. I think with touchdowns, I mean. And Josh Allen.

[Bobby Bones]

I feel like that's Josh Allen going. Wait a second. Young feller.

[Kevin]

Yeah, I. I'm. You guys. I know you guys are overlooking me. I am reigning mvp and I'm going to show you why, because I'm going to go and put on my Superman cloak and I'm going to go out and dominate.

[Bobby Bones]

And he's doing it without, I hate to say any other weapons, but without a traditional number one.

[Kevin]

Right. I mean, the. His best weapons on the outside, honestly, are Dalton Kincaid and Dotson Dawson.

[Bobby Bones]

Both tight ends.

[Kevin]

Yeah, both tight ends. They're really good. They're in a lot of two tight end sets, but those are their most dynamic pass catchers, and that's crazy to think about. It was the same thing. Why I think he won the MVP last year because they didn't have that alpha male on the outside where Lamar did. Oh, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And that was held against him. That not even on the outside, but he had. And James Cook is good, but James Cook, in the minds of folks, is not Derek Henry.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

I think now he's getting close, but yeah, Buffalo at 4. At 3, I have the Broncos. It's hard to put them at three. I just never. They're 12 and two.

[Kevin]

They're 12 and two.

[Bobby Bones]

They are what the record says they are. As a wise man once said, yes, they're 12 and 2. And it's just one possession wins. And I know it was an 8. They won by 8 last week, but they're 12 and 2, so you can't deny that. They're, they're good.

[Kevin]

And Bo Nix probably had his best.

[Bobby Bones]

Game and he played.

[Kevin]

It was full bonix against a quality opponent. I mean, some of. They were being aggressive on fourth down. That throw that he had to Sutton down the sideline on fourth and one that he hit, the big play, that was unbelievable. Textbook.

[Bobby Bones]

I also feel like Bo Nix is able to play better now because that defense has always been good. I think they're, they're even better now. And I think with the ability to know, oh, if I screw up, you play a little freer. I think you could speak to this. If you know your defense has got you right, you can relax and play a little more free offensively for sure.

[Kevin]

But it also, that, that also goes over in the offense and how they call it and how Sean Payton was aggressive and fourth down around that midfield because he knows this defense will get us off the field and make a stop, get us the ball back. And so you can be more aggressive with how you call the game.

[Bobby Bones]

Seattle at 2.

[Kevin]

Seattle at 2.

[Bobby Bones]

Which, by the way, if I back up to the Broncos for a second, I think we got a big game coming up from the Broncos and Jaguars. That's, that's this game. That's a massive game.

[Kevin]

Massive game.

[Bobby Bones]

Jaguars are good.

[Kevin]

They're really good.

[Bobby Bones]

Liam Cohen, he's got a shot to.

[Kevin]

Be the coach of the year, a hundred percent.

[Bobby Bones]

And that's crazy. From the first Duvall, that, that was.

[Kevin]

One of the best lines ever to.

[Bobby Bones]

See all these young coaches, they're. They're kind of killing it.

[Kevin]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

So the Jags are good? They didn't make the list, but they're good.

[Kevin]

Oh, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Their colors are terrible, though.

[Kevin]

Yeah, they're. They're just a tough team to look at for sure.

[Bobby Bones]

And they have uniforms that look like gumball machine. Terrible uniforms. And they then they actually have. But when they're really like bright, I don't know what color they are. What is that, turquoise?

[Kevin]

Oh, it's always blue.

[Bobby Bones]

It just isn't a good. They should rebrand. They should rebrand the color.

[Kevin]

Just give me a little bit more of the Jaguar color. Yeah, black Jaguar, but I mean also Trevor Lawrence, man.

[Bobby Bones]

Awesome. Game number two, Seattle.

[Kevin]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

This is where it's interesting because I put The Rams at 1. The best thing about it is the Rams and Seahawks play Thursday night. What a Thursday night game. What a meaningful Thursday night game.

[Kevin]

I mean, they both hate the fact that they have to play on Thursday night, but they're familiar opponents. They're within the division, so they'll know each other very well, so the game plan, they'll understand how to approach this thing. But I would love to see it on a Sunday where the game plan becomes more evolved as the week goes on. But NFL couldn't be happier.

[Bobby Bones]

I do have the pats at 6, so they're honorable mention. Sorry, boys. It wasn't a good loss. It was a good loss. If they played close and lost to Buffalo, it wasn't a good loss to go up that much and then have them come screaming back over the top of you.

[Kevin]

Yeah, it's really defensive side of the ball, that's where you go. You start to question it and go, man, five. Five straight possessions with touchdowns and you go, we've got to get a stop.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, give me some offense. Give me some offense, though, other than that one play, that one run.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Where he's playing lead blocker.

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah. Drake.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

They couldn't get anything.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

A little bit.

[Bobby Bones]

They did.

[Julian Edelman]

They didn't play free. They didn't play like they were having fun anymore. And you could tell it was on their mind, like, holy crap, can we actually win this thing? And then they played scared, puckered up.

[Bobby Bones]

A little bit, I think. Inexperience. Then we'll leave it at that. You know my thing. I second your quarterbacks.

[Kevin]

Yes, I do. Where's Chicago in that list?

[Bobby Bones]

They're not. They'd probably be seven or eight.

[Kevin]

Seven or eight.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

Yeah. That's fair.

[Bobby Bones]

I only put the Broncos up there because they've only lost two games. It's hard for me to put the Broncos up there. That's why I did it. That's why I did it. Am I a believer? No. Do I think someone can go into Denver and beat them if they don't get the 1 seed in the first round? Yes.

[Julian Edelman]

Patriots, Broncos in Denver this week.

[Kevin]

Who would you take in Denver?

[Julian Edelman]

In Denver?

[Bobby Bones]

I'm probably going to go with the pads.

[Kevin]

I'm probably going to go with Denver. That's a tough place to play. I'm just saying it's about as loud of an environment that I've ever been in.

[Bobby Bones]

Did you lose your oxygen there? Is that a thing?

[Bill Fagerbakke]

No.

[Kevin]

What if you're a running back or.

[Bobby Bones]

A cornerback because you're not having. You weren't having to run a lot as a quarterback?

[Kevin]

Oh, I would run for my life. What are you talking about? Blow the whistle. Blow the whistle.

[Bobby Bones]

Jesus.

[Kevin]

No, I mean, you never really felt the effects. Cause we'd go up on a Saturday, get there, and I don't think we were long enough. We were there long enough to really feel that impact. And they have oxygen on the sideline if you need it and you see guys go over. But I don't know of anybody that I played with that really fell out because of the altitude or anything like that or dizziness and had to come out of the game. So I don't know how much that is a factor, to be honest with you. The ball does fly a little bit more, though.

[Bobby Bones]

Noticeably.

[Kevin]

Oh, noticeably.

[Bobby Bones]

You wanna know another gift? These chairs.

[Kevin]

I am so thankful. Like I. We. We immediately talked about it when I came in today. I mean, I'm not sliding down like last week.

[Bobby Bones]

I know it was a struggle. I haven't saw in the videos. Castle would slide down and I'm propping myself back up.

[Kevin]

I'm propping myself back these. I mean, like I said, just send me the bell.

[Bobby Bones]

Made it all.

[Kevin]

Because I don't want to accept that gift. I wanna be able to be a contributor to myself.

[Bobby Bones]

It's all good, buddy. Me to you. O Strong, stable chairs that we don't slide down.

[Kevin]

I just feel. It feels right. I mean, big.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm glad you feel good. Yeah.

[Kevin]

Thank you so much.

[Bobby Bones]

When you feel good. I feel good.

[Kevin]

Yeah. Well, that. That's then what I want. You talked about.

[Bobby Bones]

All right, go ahead. Next one up.

[Kevin]

Yeah. You talked about who should win the coach of the year. I think it's an incredible year for coach of the year because you've got Vrabel with the Pats, first year there. Obviously they won four games last year. He's done a remarkable job. Ben Johnson with Chicago. How can he not be considered one of the coaches of the year? Sean Payton, what he's doing with Denver now, he's been there for a while. He's been able to construct that roster the way that he's wanted. But I don't know if anybody predicted them to be in the position that they're in right now to begin the year. Liam Cohen, 10 win season. But then the other guy that is on the list that say it, Mike.

[Bobby Bones]

McDonald, actually, Kyle Shanahan.

[Kevin]

Kyle Shanahan, too.

[Bobby Bones]

He's never won it.

[Kevin]

He's always in the mix every single year, never won. And if they factored in all the injuries that they've had and Brandon Iuk not playing this season, their number one wide receiver quarterback goes down. Fred Warner goes down, Bosa goes down. And they're still always competitive, regardless their situation. He's a hell of a coach.

[Bobby Bones]

If you're giving the Award today. Who do you give it to?

[Kevin]

If I'm giving the award today? Mm. I'm gonna go with variable. I just think what he's done with a very, very young team and what they've been able to do this year in the consistency, 10 straight wins or whatever it was. He was super competitive against the Bills. They obviously lost last week, but they've already beat them. So the turnaround. And you can make a case for any of these guys.

[Bobby Bones]

I'll make a case for somebody else.

[Kevin]

Who would you make a case for?

[Bobby Bones]

I would go to Denver.

[Kevin]

Denver and Sean Payton.

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[Bobby Bones]

Because I hate to penalize people for how they set themselves up for success.

[Kevin]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

The Broncos literally have two losses.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

They're 12 and two. Second year quarterback and. Yeah, you're right. He's now been there, what, three years? Because he came one with Russ, or he's been there four years.

[Kevin]

Russ and then Bo Nix came in. What. So he was there, I think, two years with Russ, maybe.

[Julian Edelman]

Whatever.

[Bobby Bones]

Whatever the case is, I don't think we penalize him for that. I think you give the coach of the year to the person who's coaching the best this year. And I think a 12 and 2 Broncos team. If we were given the award right now, a number. Number one seed. If it were right now, the Broncos would have the number one seed. I think you give it to them.

[Kevin]

That's fair.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you got?

[Julian Edelman]

Third year?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

Yeah, third year.

[Bobby Bones]

So that's why I'd give it to Sean Payton. But it is weird because you always want to give it to somebody new because people were tired of Belichick winning the award when he was the coach of the year.

[Kevin]

Yeah. If. If your record reflects it and you're winning games regardless of how you do it in the NFL, it's difficult to win games week in and week out and be consistent and. And do it in such a manner that they've done it this year. So I. I agree with you.

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[Bobby Bones]

All right, so I'm going to go now to the Jeffrey Simmons story as my second story. So Titans defensive tackle Jeffrey Simmons, which by the way, we don't talk a lot of Titans here.

[Kevin]

No, we don't.

[Bobby Bones]

Jeffrey Simmons home was broken into while the team was in California. This is while they're playing the 49ers. And I will say the Titans did show a little heart in that game. Oh yeah, so I do want to give him a cookie.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

His house was broken into. According to Metro Nashville PD, the burglary happened shortly after 7pm local time when at least six suspects entered after smashing out window glass. Multiple items were taken. Team security's working with Metro Nashville police. The veteran defensive tackle took to social media to report the burglary and even post a video of the suspects. According to police, Simmons called authorities when he arrived home from California early Monday morning from espn. So question when you would leave town because everybody knows your schedule.

[Kevin]

That's exactly right.

[Bobby Bones]

Would someone always be at your house?

[Kevin]

No. And looking back. And I feel like it's been more recent where you've heard Mahomes Kelsey there's been these string of burglaries that have gone on where they go in rob people's houses and they somehow know their schedule.

[Bobby Bones]

Joe Burrow they know they're not there because they're playing in a different city.

[Kevin]

Right. And that's the scary part. And I feel like it wasn't as prominent when I played. But recently you hear more and more of these athletes in their homes being burglarized just because people know their schedule. And that was always a concern. That's why I got my dog. When we went down to North Carolina and got a protection dog, a lot of that was because When I'm not home, you want someone there to protect your family or at least feel like you have an extra layer of security. Because everybody, like the NFL does a great job. They come in, they'll do a full assessment of your home for free and tell you where some weak spots are, where to maybe reinforce it. Suggest different types of security, whether it's cameras, this, that and the other. So they're aware of it. But at the same time, when they know that you're gone and you're not home, then there's an opportunity there. And that's, that's just scary.

[Bobby Bones]

Two things. One, if I'm ever on the road, if I have tour dates up, they haven't toured in six, eight months or so, I always have somebody in my house and I'm not victim blaming at all. And I'll get to the point in a second. Someone's always at my house if I'm not here. Because I know that if someone knows where I live and I publicly am not there, I'm gonna always have somebody there. So we make it a point when we're not here, somebody is always at the house.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

Again, not saying that he messed up by doing that, but I don't think it was somebody random that knew he was gone. I think it was inside.

[Kevin]

Yeah, that's the scary part too because you're not workers that working at the house. Anybody that knows your kind of schedule when you're gone, anything like that.

[Bobby Bones]

You would think if you're breaking into somebody rich and famous house, there's a great security or there's somebody in the house. Somebody must have known there was nobody there. It was so inside that I think that's what happened. One of those six know somebody that is on the inside.

[Kevin]

And the other crazy part is like you said, you know, these people have security in some form or fashion, a security system, cameras, all the different stuff. And you're still like, dude, I don't care. I'm going to figure out a way and get into your house and take what I want to take.

[Bobby Bones]

Unless you don't need to figure. Unless you know. Unless you know because you're on the inside.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

How to bypass where the cameras are, what to cover and that nobody's there.

[Kevin]

It's crazy.

[Bobby Bones]

It sucks.

[Kevin]

It's really scary too. There's not a worse violation than somebody breaking into your house or taking your stuff.

[Bobby Bones]

I remember I got broken into once while I was on the air and my house got robbed and I came home and I opened the front door and obviously, they didn't come to the front door. And there was glass all over the kitchen. And I thought, did I drop a glass? I was so confused as to why there was glass all over the floor. I didn't even look at the living room yet because. Living room, a lot of stuff was stolen. I was just in this bewildered state of. I don't remember breaking any glass this morning. And then I look up at the window, and there's a hole in the window. And I think, did a bird fly? It's this hole. You're trying to unwrap it all in, like, a few minutes. Did a bird fly through and crash? You're looking for a dead bird. And then as soon as you look to the living room and I see that TV, PlayStation, all this stuff was gone.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

You're like, oh, God, yeah. And then. Yes, it's extreme violation.

[Kevin]

Yeah. I mean, we. When I was in college, Lauren, my wife, now she's my girlfriend, then we were watching movie upstairs. We're at my apartment, and we had an apartment, and we were the last. Last unit before you backed up into the alley where you'd come in and park. But it was about a story and a half up. And so we're watching a movie. I just nodded off for a second. And the next thing you know, you heard this crash. I woke up this crash, and Lauren said it sounded like somebody jumped on our balcony area. So I put her in the bathroom, tell her to call 91 1. And I'm sitting there, and my roommate Brody was gone for a baseball tournament. And. But I was like, did he come back? Like, you know, it's college.

[Bobby Bones]

You start making excuses for the way you're feeling. Yes.

[Kevin]

Because somebody is not being discreet downstairs. They're in the place. They're going around the living room. You can hear the kitchen cabinets opening up, shuffling through. And I don't know if they're making a sandwich.

[Bobby Bones]

You're hearing all that?

[Kevin]

I'm hearing it all. So I finally knock on the door. I said, did you get a hold of the police? She's like, they put me on hold. I'm like, oh, my God. So I said, lock.

[Bobby Bones]

This call is very important to us.

[Kevin]

So now, next thing in there, we had this stairwell that would come up to the two bedrooms upstairs. His room was here. Mine was right as you came up the stairwell. Well, somebody starts charging up. And I flipped this massive chest over, and I said, hey, whoever it was didn't care that I did that. They run up and they kick in my Roommate's door. Well, he's not there. They kick it. And at that point, I knocked on the door. I said, we gotta get out of here. I opened up the bathroom window. There was this little screen. I knocked that out. And there was a fire escape. We go down the fire escape, run out to the front of the building. And then we had to wait. And I said, you walk down to where there was a party going on down the street, walks down there. Long story short, within 25 minutes, Department of Public Safety, which is the private security force there at usc, they show up. I said, are you responding to our call to lapd? And they're like, no, we're responding to the apartment building right next to you. I said, well, we've called lapd. They go back, guns around. The dude came right through our sliding gas glass window. He jumped up on there, smashed it through, took PlayStation and all the different stuff that he could grab. Then he went in the kitchen. There's knives all over my buddy's room, like. So they called him a hot prowler. Then he jumps over and some poor girl was in her apartment. He breaks into her place while she's there, runs into the bedroom, locks the door, and he barricade himself in.

[Bobby Bones]

Or did he get all the way out?

[Kevin]

Oh, he got all the way out of our house because I was gone.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, but in that. In that other apartment, how did they get him?

[Kevin]

They didn't get him.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, they.

[Kevin]

So I was sitting there at one point, and some dude comes down the stairwell and he's got this big backpack on, and he's looking around like this, and he sees me, and I'm probably 45 yards away, and he takes off running down the street. I was like, that was so strange. And within a few minutes, that's when the Department of Public Safety came up. And I said, I don't know if he's a suspect or not, but he came out of that building a little while ago and took off running. They never found him anything.

[Bobby Bones]

He got away with all the stuff.

[Kevin]

All the stuff.

[Bobby Bones]

That's crazy.

[Kevin]

Yeah. Pure violation. Scary, like, just. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Then you're always nervous it's going to happen.

[Kevin]

You never want to go back to that apartment.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Right?

[Bobby Bones]

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[Kevin]

I'm going to go with the Seahawks at home. Sam Darnold overcomes those big games. Big game jitters. No. Devonte Adams, I think is going to be going to have significance in this game because he's been balling. He's got what, 14 touchdowns on the year. Big part. And now that they can maybe just focus on Puka Naku, even though they've got obviously other guys going. But I'm going to go to Seattle at home.

[Bobby Bones]

Let's get the monkey off. Sam Darnold's back.

[Kevin]

Yeah, man. I want him to win a big game.

[Bobby Bones]

Me too.

[Kevin]

Just to shut everybody up.

[Bobby Bones]

Twelfth, man, you know, Seattle is going to be loud. I'm taking Seattle as well. The Rams, I mean, this is the game of the week without. The Rams are the. They are the worst odds. So the pick to win the super bowl.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

They're the worst.

[Bobby Bones]

No, no, sorry. They have. It depends how you look at it.

[Kevin]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

You're going to make the least amount of money. So they have the best odds. You're going to make the. So to me, I see the worst. I don't want anything to do with that. So that they are the favorite to win the super bowl and they're really good. And Matthew Stafford is probably going to be the mvp.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

Man, it will be such a big win for Sam Darnold.

[Kevin]

Huge win.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm taking the Seahawks as well over the Rams. Thursday Night packers at Bears. This game just happened two weeks ago, but they are playing now in Chicago. They were in Lambeau last time. Who do you get?

[Kevin]

Gosh, this one's a hard one to pick. I'm going to go with. I'm going to go with Chicago at home. I think they're playing really good ball. Even if you go back and watch that first matchup that they had, Caleb Williams under. Throws the ball in the back of the end zone and it's. But he's open to. It was either the go ahead or to tie it up. And I just think that Chicago at home, the way that they're playing. No Micah Parsons is going to have an impact on this game. I'm going to go Chicago.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. I'm going to go with the Bears, too. So we're. We're aligned here. I'm going with the Bears simply because these teams are both good. Nothing screams split. Like two really good teams.

[Kevin]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

That are playing two times in three weeks.

[Kevin]

Two times in three weeks. So you're going to. You're going to understand what they're going to try to do. Right.

[Bobby Bones]

If one of them was heads and shoulders above the other. I think I could possibly go packers going to win them both, but I think the Bears are a really good team. I do seven in the power rankings. I don't go to seven.

[Kevin]

Seven.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. I don't. I probably. I don't go to seven. Jags at Broncos.

[Kevin]

Jags at Broncos. I think this is going to be another great matchup.

[Matt Castle]

What a week, right?

[Bobby Bones]

These are three awesome games.

[Kevin]

Awesome games. I'm going to go Broncos at home. You know, I've all year been like, can they keep winning like this? Can they keep doing that the way that bo Knicks played last week against a really good opponent at home? They've that defense is relentless. I mean, I'm going to go with the Broncos at home.

[Bobby Bones]

Give me that. Gross.

[Kevin]

Gross.

[Bobby Bones]

Jaguar, blue, green, teal, by the way. Even worse. Even worse. Trevor Lawrence for mvp. Let's go.

[Kevin]

Trevor Lawrence for mvp.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Bobby Bones]

Now let's go over and talk to Patrick Starr or Bill Foggerbaki, the voice of Patrick Starr. Before Bill was even doing spongebob, he was Daubert from Coach, which I freaking loved. Coach, the new SpongeBob movie comes out December 19th. It's called the SpongeBob Movie. Search for SquarePants. So make sure you go check it out. Big thanks to Bill for joining us. This is super cool. Here he is, Bill Fagerbach. Hey, Bill, we were just talking about the spongebob movie coming out, but I just want to introduce me and my friend Matt here. I'm Bobby Bones, this is Matt Castle. We're both massive fans of you in different iterations. So thank you for coming on with us.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

It's my pleasure.

[Bobby Bones]

Bobby and Matt, I do want to start, if you don't mind talking about Coach. I've seen every episode of Coach. I watched Coach as a kid. I bought the DVD set when I was a mild adult. I love Coach. It comes up in my algorithm now, like clips of Coach. Can you tell me how you got on that show?

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Well, I was living in. Sorry, there's a timepiece here at the hotel. I was living in New York doing theater, since that's what I had studied. And I just went through the typical auditioning process that actors go through to get on a TV show, which was kind of crazy because I'd never done TV before. So that brought me out to LA and show kept getting picked up and. And I'm an Angelino now.

[Kevin]

I think I remember reading that the character that you played on Coach was based off of maybe a coach that you had at Idaho. Is that true? Is that an actual true story? And who was the coach? And tell me the background there.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Yeah, when I was, I went to Idaho to play football. University of Idaho in Moscow. And it was a Graduate assistant we had, and his nickname was Tuna. And. And you know, when. When you're auditioning for a character, you're. You're looking for a way to connect to the material and to that very specific character. And I remember Tuna fondly. He was one of those graduate assistants that was somewhat conspiratorial, who would say, okay, so listen, guys, we're really going to have to kill it during scout team today, so I'm going to take it a little easy on you here in these drills to. And stuff like that, and the way he talked. So that was where I chose to connect to the character. And I don't know what happened to. His name was Al. I don't know what happened to him. I did hear at one point he had heard that that was the inspiration for Coach, and he wasn't that happy about it. I'm sorry, Alex, you're out there. I enjoyed it myself.

[Bobby Bones]

That's funny. So the juxtaposition of being an athlete at a high level, you're playing at a D1 school, and also being in theater, how were you so good at both? Because both consume you to get better at.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Isn't that interesting how. You know, it's that whole thing that I think athletes have often have an affinity for, which is that performance focus and attention to detail. And. And so when I quit football after my knee got blown out, which was a very crazy circumstance because I. It was during spring ball my sophomore year, and I gave up the scholarship, and I just came back to school not knowing what to do with myself, and I ran into another guy who had quit, and we used to sing in the showers, drive everyone nuts. And he said, hey, Willie, they're doing a musical here. We should go try out. And I didn't even know that they had a theater department at Idaho. I just, okay, I'll go. And fortunately, I enjoyed singing in high school and stuff, so I got in the show and like, three days later, I went, oh, this is my deal. This is my jam. So lucky for me. And I still thank that guy every time I see him. He is a judge in Boise, Idaho. But, yeah, it was a crazy kind of integration for me, and it happened quite suddenly.

[Kevin]

Do any of your old teammates or coaches, when they run into you and you know they know you now as Patrick Starr, that. That person do they say, oh, yeah, that. That definitely tracks. Or they're like, I never would have imagined this for you after football.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

You know what? I think the latter is definitely employ in play for a lot of a Lot of guys. Like what? Oh, yeah, one guy, Tim Lapano, he was a running back coach. And I heard, I read this in a newspaper that someone had mentioned it to him and he went, that guy, that guy that I played with is on that show, you know, but, yeah, that's. That's interesting to see how people react.

[Bobby Bones]

When you were in high school, you played multiple sports. Were you like the best athlete in your town?

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Oh, oh, no, no. I was just a big lunk. And I was lucky enough to have a couple of really great coaches, including for track, who was also the head football coach. But he was a. Still is a magnificent throwing coach for shot putting discus, and I fell in love with that. And I loved throwing the discus in particular and then enjoyed basketball, of course, too. It was really good for me, and I think it's really good for a lot of young people to play team sports. And I, to this day, and in fact, as I get older, I realize how crucial the team element of football is, a magnificent team sport. And that, that mentality really helped me, I think, thrive in theater because theater is such an ensemble effort and, you know, you just. The, the more you can fulfill, you know, your duties but also be supportive of those around you, the better everything goes. And that's. That's been very important in my life.

[Kevin]

What was your first time on set like when you're going in to actually film something? Is it kind of similar to the anxious butterflies you get when you're playing in a football game or what? What was that mentality like for you?

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Yes, Matt, that is. Yeah, those butterflies, the, the, the anxiousness, the anxiety and, and, and, and so you got to find your way through that to be able to focus on what, what it is you want to do and achieve. But kind of like football, where the first play and it goes away and you're in the game. It's kind of like that with live performance, too, which coach very much was working in front of an audience, so it was definitely related to that. Yeah, and I think that's part of the thing. Athletes like to perform.

[Bobby Bones]

I asked this question earlier about coach, but I want to ask you the same thing about spongebob. The genesis of getting on that show, was it another random audition? I record myself doing all kinds of stuff, and you just send it off and then you never hear from anybody ever. And it's one of those things. Is that what happened here?

[Bill Fagerbakke]

It is. It's a void, isn't it? It's just I'm casting this into some weird digital Nether world. That. And does anyone ever even. Are they aware of. Was the SpongeBob audition. By that time, I had. I. I had kind of stumbled in this into voiceover in a way. My agent called me up one day and said, hey, listen, they have a breakdown for a cartoon dog on Beethoven, which was going to be a Saturday morning cartoon based on the film. And they say they want the dog to sound like Dauber from Coach. Do you want to go read for it? And I said, oh, well, sounds fun, but what if I don't get it? That would be depressing.

[Bobby Bones]

So.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

But I got it. And that kind of led to. Because that's a very difficult path to enter voiceover. It's. There are limited opportunities for newcomers, so that allowed that door to open for me. And that led to me then auditioning for other cartoons, doing a few series, and then I got an audition for. For this crazy thing called Spongeboy, and with these fantastic drawings and. But unlike typical voiceover auditions, mind you, this is 97. Instead of being in a studio, it was in a conference room. And it was this quiet, unassuming fellow named Stephen Hillenburg, who had a little black cassette player and a microphone attached to it. And first he played me the voice of Spongeboy, who was Tom Kenny and who I had met and worked with before. And he said, patrick is his friend and so should be different from that. And that was perhaps the luckiest day of my life. So it entered. I was able to enter this job where I love the character so much and I love my castmates and love the whole process.

[Kevin]

From that first Patrick recording session that you did, how close is the voice that you did for that recording session? How close is that to what actually is the voice of Patrick? I mean, has it changed or evolved at all?

[Bill Fagerbakke]

No, that's a great point. You know, for instance, if you watch the original. If you watch the pilot of Star Trek, you'll see Leonard De Moyes performance as Spock to be quite different from what it evolved into when. When the show settled in. And I think a lot of us, when we do a pilot of something, there's a certain amount of. I hope this is it. And I think. I think listening to the pilot, it's, you know, it's close, but vocally it's slightly different. Patrick didn't have a lot to do, but, man, I love that cartoon. The pilot, it's only, I think, eight minutes long. And in many, many ways, I believe it's a perfect cartoon.

[Bobby Bones]

I feel like Patrick Starr, in a way, matured. Like Steve Urkel did, which he wasn't really meant to be the whole part of Family Matters. He wasn't meant to be as main of a character, but he was so undeniable in his character and playing that role. I feel like Patrick is the same kind of person. Patrick is so freaking fun. You do such a great job that he, over time then became almost an equal star, except his name just wasn't on the show. Did you slowly feel Patrick Starr being added more and more as the show ran because people loved him so much?

[Bill Fagerbakke]

You know, that's the. I love that. That's one of the great things about television. And when it's right, when the cast is right and the writing is right, because you, as you say, you, you evolve and, and you evolve together with the writers and. And what. And what they are making sense of as they move along. And I think one of the key things with spongebob and Patrick was that the. The. It gelled. The relationship between those two characters gelled in a wonderful way. And Tom Kenny is such a freaking genius. Time and again. I mean, SpongeBob just like is. Is just so kind of intense and manic and, And. And then Patrick just. He lays the groundwork for Patrick to have some beautiful, dopey comment, you know, And I love those moments, but Tom's doing a lot of the heavy lifting there.

[Kevin]

You and Tom Kenny have known each other for a really long time. What's something that you could tell spongebob fans that they wouldn't otherwise know about him?

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Well, I guess most of the deeply rooted fans of Tom Kenny know that he is a freakish music fan. He can tell you virtually anything about every recording he's ever heard regarding who played lead guitar, who produced it, what they worked on before, who composed it. He's. It's. It's an incredible encyclopedia kind of mind he has about that. That information, almost like some sports fans have about sports, but it's really something. And he has a band called Tom Kenny and the High Seas, and I would urge any fans of SpongeBob or Tom Kenny to explore that their website to look for potential concerts nearby you, because they get around and they're a riot. He loves old soul hits. You know, he's a soul shouter, as Paul Schaefer called him. So that's a good thing to know about tone.

[Bobby Bones]

If you have a cold, will you delay voicing Patrick Starr?

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Great question. One of the beauties of. Yeah, that's a great awareness. Yeah. For voiceover work, since Patrick lives in the basement, anyway, vocally, certain afflictions might not impede my ability. However, there is often a healthy amount of screaming, and you really have to get some technique as you work with this stuff so that the screaming doesn't harm you. And if I have to do a lot of screaming or, oddly enough, a lot of laughing, because it's all, you know. You know, if you have to do a lot of that, there's a real process and support system you have to sustain. So the answer. The shorter answer would be, I know when I won't be able to. To deliver 100%. So, yeah, I will pass it. And then sometimes I'll say, hey, can we leave the screaming till the end of the recording? And that will be okay. But, yeah, it is something very much you have to be conscious of because you don't want to, like, wind up with 80% of what you should have done.

[Kevin]

That would lead me to my next question. What's more exhausting? Voice acting or live acting?

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Well, live acting with. I can tell you, when you're doing comedy in front of an audience, it is so invigorating if the comedy's working. It is so much fun. You know, a good example of the difference there. I don't know if anyone's ever walked along Hollywood Boulevard. Sometimes there are people with clipboard saying, hey, you want to see the taping of a TV show? They are looking for people often to go in to watch a pilot of a show that's never been seen before. And our first season of Coach, no one knew the show. So very often there was, like, a business called Audience plus that would bring that. Basically, they're paying people some. I don't know what. They give them a bag wash. I don't know what it is. But they get people to come in and watch a TV show, and during that period, you gotta grab a joke by the neck, strangle it, lift it up in the air, throw it down on the ground, you jump up and down on that joke. You make sure that people know it's a joke. And then once the show's established. So now the audience is populated by people who like the characters and like the humor. Then your character enters and they're just going, oh, you know, they're ready for. They're ready for humor from the character. And that's just exhilarating. That's so great. It's, I would say, far more difficult to do comedy on camera with no audience. That's really tricky. I mean, you can just nail a joke. And if you Get a smirk from the camera assistant. You know, it's a home run. You know, they very often the writers, a group of writers will be on the set and so they can give you a live response in terms of laughter. But it's comedy with no audiences. I believe that film comedy is the hardest thing to do easily.

[Bobby Bones]

We have three final questions, and I go with this one. Do you ever just pop into the voice somewhere and surprise people and they're like, hey, you sound just like Patrick Starr, but you don't actually tell them that you're Patrick Starr.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

I'm a bit more of a ninja about that. I will, you know, if I'm walking down the street and some kids wearing a Patrick shirt as we pass, I'll go, nice shirt. And I'll just keep walking. So I don't know what happens. Maybe the kid thinks that, you know, Patrick just walked by him. I don't know.

[Kevin]

Is that sometimes difficult because you know that you are the voice of Patrick Starr. But I don't know how many people associate your face with Patrick Starr. They associate your voice. But is that something that can be difficult as somebody that records your voice and it's out there and, you know, and the people that know know. But I'm saying a common fan might actually not know your face and put that to Patrick.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

That's one of the beautiful things about voiceover is the physical anonymity of it. It really is special, especially when you're doing a character's voice that you have kind of created. You know, it's kind of like with Dawber. You know, I was able to create a voice for Dahber. That's why that whoever was developing that cartoon said, or I want this dog to sound like that guy on that sitcom about college football. So I don't. I love that. I love that. Because, you know, when you're six six and walking around, you don't really need, you know, people to recognize you because you're. Because you're too big. Anyway.

[Kevin]

Biggest beautiful. Biggest beautiful. Come on.

[Bobby Bones]

Final question. And everybody check out the Spongebob movie Search for Squarepants in theaters December 19th. I'm a massive Spongebob fan, so, Bill, this has been awesome for me, but my final question to you is, and it's such a cliche question, but do you have a favorite all time joke or line from your character that you still laugh about when you think about it? Because it was written so perfectly, there would.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Let's see, for my character, the one that just like blew my mind when I, when I saw it in the storyboard, when I was preparing for the record was the intermachinations of my mind are an enigma. And then in the storyboard, it showed it, it showed the, the visual of a live action pitcher of milk spilling its contents as Patrick said that and he goes right into the, the one tooth open mouth drool afterwards. I. That was fantastic. And. But maybe my favorite line of all time is directly tied to the performance of Roger Bumpus, who does Squidward. And that's in the pilot where spongebob, to Squidward's consternation, is applying for a job at the Krusty Krab, which is where Squidward already works, and he's really worried that Mr. Krabs is going to hire him. And then he hears Mr. Krabs not taking Spongebob seriously and sending him on a fool's errand, saying, I want you to go get me a Spectrum boy with the turbos attachments and blah, blah and all this stuff and, and Hydro Bubba do and, and SpongeBob. Yes, sir. And he takes off and, and then Squidward walks up to Krabs and says, a hydro what? Oh, Mr. Krabs, you're horrible. That line blew my mind. And Roger's performance is so perfect. Yeah, there's, there's so many moments. It still makes me laugh. Patrick still makes me laugh.

[Bobby Bones]

Bill, thank you so much for the time. We are massive fans, us.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Thank you.

[Bobby Bones]

Their kids, they're massive fans. Just this has been a real, real thrill for us. So, the SpongeBob movie Search for SquarePants. Bill, thank you. Hope you have a great rest of the day. Happy holidays.

[Julian Edelman]

Thanks.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Happy holidays.

[Kevin]

Happy holidays. Thank you.

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[Bobby Bones]

Okay, one more story each. What do you have?

[Kevin]

One more story.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

All right.

[Kevin]

I've got divisional races down the home stretch of the season. Man, we've got some good stuff going on.

[Bobby Bones]

What's the one you like the best? What's the most competitive, exciting divisional race in your mind?

[Kevin]

Well, you got to go with the NFC west right now, right? I mean, especially considering best teams. Best teams. Rams, 11, 3, Seahawks, 11, 3, 49ers, 10, 4. It could go any which way down the stretch. And this weekend, Rams and Seahawks, or Thursday they play, one of them is going to lose, one of them is going to lose. That means 49ers. Take care of business.

[Bobby Bones]

Take care of business. 49ers against the Colts. Let's go. I mean, trying to make $22,000.

[Kevin]

That one's pretty interesting here. I think that AFC south is an interesting one because you got the Jags at 10 and 10 and 4. Texans are 9 and 5.

[Bobby Bones]

And I think the Texans are good.

[Kevin]

They're good. Defense is the best in the league. And then the Colts, Philip Rivers almost pulled it off.

[Bobby Bones]

They're done.

[Kevin]

I don't know.

[Bobby Bones]

They're done. It's fun to see Philip Rivers again. I just want. If someone called you today and said, can you give us. Because Philip evers do what, 10 times, had 10 completions or so through for like 100 yards. Could. Could you play?

[Kevin]

Oh, I could still go out there and play.

[Bobby Bones]

How's the arm?

[Kevin]

It's feeling better and better by the moment. I mean, I. I could still rip it around, let's be honest. And the reason I say that is because I'm constantly throwing a ball with my kids like they want to go out and throw. That's all. All I'm doing now. It's not an NFL Football might. Might take me a second. I'm not going to run like I used to. But I could still get you a few good yards on third down. Yeah, but that's not happening. Nobody called me, didn't even think of me.

[Bobby Bones]

I do like the NFC west, though.

[Kevin]

NFC West.

[Bobby Bones]

That's so fun. That's such a fun division over on that side and the fact that there are so many good teams.

[Kevin]

Right?

[Bobby Bones]

It's wide open.

[Kevin]

It's wide open. I don't know if it's wide open.

[Bobby Bones]

It's wide open.

[Kevin]

It's pretty wide open.

[Bobby Bones]

Look, you got three right there that could all win it.

[Kevin]

Three right there.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm not discounting the Eagles because they've been so many times like it's just about getting there.

[Kevin]

Right. You don't. They always seem to hit a little skid where they don't play their best ball. It just has been.

[Bobby Bones]

And the Bears, a lot of the.

[Kevin]

Bears, that's another division too, right? You got the Bears.

[Bobby Bones]

That's what I'm saying.

[Kevin]

So many nfc and the Lions, who's a really good team, but they just, they've given up over 500 yards of on the defensive side of the ball for two weeks in a row. That's a lot of yardage to be giving up if they could stop anybody. But they're a really good team. That's another good division.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't know that there's a clear cut winner in the nfc. I mean the Rams are the favorite, but I wouldn't be surprised by Rams, Bears, even the Eagles, the Seahawks, the Niners, the Packers or the Lions if they got to the Super Bowl. You're. I'm not going to be shocked. Any of those teams.

[Kevin]

I know that's the exciting part for the NFL. I think this year there's probably more parity like we talked about a few weeks ago. It's just there's not that dominant team that you think, okay, 100% this team is going to probably go to the super bowl and win it all.

[Bobby Bones]

Tampa Bay is a struggle.

[Kevin]

They're struggling.

[Bobby Bones]

It's a struggle.

[Kevin]

That division is struggling and they're going.

[Bobby Bones]

To play the Panthers twice. I think if they win one of the two, I think they, their odds to make the playoffs are very high. This week's a big week for them because they are playing Carolina. Then it's. Then they're all. They play a team that doesn't matter. I don't know. They play week two, they play the Panthers again. So it's one of those two out of three weeks.

[Kevin]

They're both seven and seven.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you see?

[Julian Edelman]

Dolphins.

[Bobby Bones]

They could win all that.

[Kevin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

But is what's up with Baker? I mean is this a long term hurt? They're not saying he's hurt, but he looks it. But, but yeah, something's up. The eyeball test screams something's up.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

Because he's also not playing as aggressive as he normally plays. And when he does get aggressive aggressive, it seems like he's a third of a step slow.

[Kevin]

Yeah, he. I don't think he could maintain that type of aggressiveness that he had from early in the season because he was taking so many shots and making a ton of plays with his legs, but he was getting hit constantly, and that takes its toll over the course of a season. There's no doubt about it. And he's a tough guy, but something's going on. I'd agree with you.

[Bobby Bones]

If we're looking at the current seedings right now, this will be my final point over in the AFC. The Broncos at 1, the Patriots at 2. The Broncos are probably going to be the 1 seed.

[Kevin]

I would think that they're probably.

[Bobby Bones]

Man, that Bill's loss.

[Kevin]

They've got a big one this week and the Patriots do because they got the Ravens. Not to say that the Ravens have been lights out this year, but recently.

[Bobby Bones]

They'Ve been playing a lot better.

[Kevin]

Yeah, they beat Cincy, what, 24 nothing. 24 nothing. It's tough day at the office for.

[Bobby Bones]

Cincy, but right now the Jags will be the three.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Yep.

[Bobby Bones]

The Steelers will be the four. Because that is a weak division. But if you win it.

[Kevin]

If you win it, you're in.

[Commercial Voice 1]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

You get a home game.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Chargers at 5. I do not believe. I think the AFC is so much weaker. I think the. Here's my comparison. The AFC now is the Big Ten and the NFC is the sec.

[Kevin]

I could see that.

[Bobby Bones]

And I think I'm flipping from where I was earlier in the year because there's just a lot of consistency with these strong NFC teams. And the AFC is so top heavy. But I don't even believe in the top. Like, I don't believe in the Broncos. I believe that they're 12 and 2 and they've really played well. If I had to pick five teams to win the Super Bowl, I don't know. They're my top five teams. I don't believe in the Patriots. I root for the Patriots. They're a good team, but they're so young. I don't believe in the Patriots.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

I think that it's interesting with the afc, too, is you probably would sit there and if looking at all those teams and saying, who? Because you haven't got to them yet.

[Bobby Bones]

The Bills.

[Kevin]

Bills.

[Bobby Bones]

That's the only team I believe in. And right now they're the sixth seed. That's the only team I believe in.

[Kevin]

It's the team you believe in.

[Bobby Bones]

And let's be honest, Josh Allen, that's it. It's a quarterback league.

[Kevin]

And there's no Patrick Mahomes in the AFC this year. There could be no Lamar Jackson in the afc.

[Bobby Bones]

They're nine now. They're almost going to have to win the division, Right?

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah.

[Commercial Voice 1]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

The Colts ain't making it. The AFC is pretty much in at this point. Broncos, Patriots, Jaguars, Steelers at 4, Chargers at 5, Bills at 6, Texans at 7. Now, there could be some movement there in the 7, 6, 5.

[Kevin]

Yep.

[Bobby Bones]

But those are really the teams over in the NFC side. It's like I mentioned earlier, I believe in a lot of these teams. Rams believe in them. Bears. I believe in the Bears more than I do the Broncos. And those two teams are very similar to me in both. Second year quarterback, second year quarterbacks. Both have outperformed what I felt like the expectation was of them. Even though I think people thought the Broncos would win, I don't think they thought they went like this.

[Kevin]

No.

[Bobby Bones]

But I think the Broncos used on the Bears. Yeah.

[Kevin]

The Broncos defense, I would say, is at a different level than what the Bears are.

[Bobby Bones]

The Eagles, I know at times they've really struggled. You're just not going to convince me that they're not. They can't win a playoff game. I've just seen them do it too many times.

[Kevin]

Right. And I've seen them win a Super.

[Bobby Bones]

Bowl and be at a Super Bowl.

[Kevin]

A majority of those guys have were on that team last year. Lane Johnson should be back for playoffs. Correct. Which would be a huge boost. Yeah. They've been there. They've done that. And until somebody goes out and beats them and knocks them out, then I still think Philadelphia is a dangerous team when it comes to playoffs.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't believe in the Bucks.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Nope.

[Bobby Bones]

The Seahawks. I think I'm not going to put them in the believe category. If Sam Darnold wins this week, I'm going to have a little more belief. But they're a really good team.

[Kevin]

Oh, no doubt.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm just mentally crippled by the fact that Darnold did not play well those games last year.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

I do believe in the 49ers.

[Kevin]

49Ers are a dangerous team too. You know, I think that that NSC west is very similar to what the AFC north was last year.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Right.

[Kevin]

With the Vikings, the lions, Green Bay. Three teams that wasn't Green Bay. Yeah. All three of those teams were what 14, 13 wins, something like that.

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

Fighting for the division at the end of the year.

[Bobby Bones]

The Lions aren't that division though, are they? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Packers, Bears, The Lions.

[Commercial Voice 1]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Isn't that cold enough?

[Kevin]

I was correct, right?

[Julian Edelman]

Well, they're indoor.

[Kevin]

I'm just making sure I'm correct.

[Bobby Bones]

It's not cold enough.

[Kevin]

It's not cold enough. They're indoors.

[Bobby Bones]

The nfc. Can you bet just NFC or afc?

[Kevin]

There's gotta be a bet. Are you kidding me?

[Bobby Bones]

Because I think. I think I would bet nfc, except unless they play the Bills. Would that be a way to bet that?

[Kevin]

There's probably a parlay that you can get on for sure.

[Bobby Bones]

I bet all nfc, unless it's the Bills. And then I do. I think I bet the Bills to win the Super Bowl. If the Bills make it to the Super Bowl.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Because I just. The quarterback is the biggest game changer.

[Kevin]

He is by far the biggest game changer. Oh, Stafford, too. Stafford's probably gonna be mvp.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, but who would you rather have, Stafford or Josh Allen? Because I'm still going with Josh Allen.

[Kevin]

Yeah. His dual threat capabilities are off charts. It's really close because Stafford is a pure passer, is probably the best in the game and one of the best I've ever been around. And then Josh Allen, he's at another level. If you gather his skill set and put it into a box, you'd say this is what an mvp, best quarterback in the league looks like. It's this guy right here. Just his sheer size, his ability to run the ball rocket for an arm. And now he's. He's a great decision maker as well, with less talent.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you say?

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah, you can bet winning conference.

[Bobby Bones]

I would have to imagine the NFC is the favorite.

[Julian Edelman]

Oh, yeah?

[Bobby Bones]

Is it? Minus.

[Julian Edelman]

Yep.

[Bobby Bones]

Minus 1. 30.

[Julian Edelman]

40.

[Bobby Bones]

Minus 140. So. So, plus 150.

[Julian Edelman]

115.

[Bobby Bones]

115.

[Bill Fagerbakke]

Dang.

[Bobby Bones]

NFC strong. I don't even like the NFC. I'm a big AFC guy.

[Julian Edelman]

Well, yeah, you're SEC guy, not a Big Ten guy.

[Bobby Bones]

Right?

[Julian Edelman]

Same thing. Because you said the NFC is.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kevin]

That's where his roots are. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, thanks to Patrick Starr for stopping by the show such. How awesome was that interview?

[Kevin]

It was great.

[Bobby Bones]

So much fun. Guys, you can watch this. The NFL Network puts it up on the YouTube page if you want to watch this. And yeah, we appreciate everybody who's been a listener of the show all throughout the year. Next week, you know, we have on Take One Guess. One Guess. Cause you already know Scott Hansen.

[Kevin]

That's right from the red zone.

[Bobby Bones]

That's correct.

[Kevin]

Be here in the witching hour.

[Bobby Bones]

That's right.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Man. That witching hour is nuts though.

[Kevin]

It always happens and it's going bing, boom, boom, boom, boom.

[Bobby Bones]

But like, stupid stuff happens.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Where wins become losses and losses. You want to jump off your porch and break your neck because you just lost a bunch of money or is that just me? Oh, my bad, My bad.

[Kevin]

Yeah. I was going to say how many people are watching that? You've got fantasies. One thing. But the people that are betting like to cover to do whatever they're betting are just screaming at that television fantasy.

[Bobby Bones]

Big too, because fantasy playoffs started last week and our big money league. I got the buy. I was the number one overall seed, so I got to buy.

[Kevin]

A buddy of mine said that he plays in this league with you. Are you with Klugs? Yeah. So a buddy of mine, Preston, came up and said, I'm in the league with your boy Bobby, dude. He's really good and he's calculating. And then I started looking at his moves. I'm like, why is he doing that? Should I be doing that? It was so funny. I was like, so has he won this? He's like, dude, I think he's won it like three years in a row.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I'm the.

[Kevin]

I could totally see him.

[Bobby Bones]

That's not accurate. That's not accurate. I am good every year.

[Kevin]

Yes, of course you are.

[Bobby Bones]

No, not of course. I like, I put time and effort and energy and I'm always backing up my bench. I think a lot of people don't focus on the players. They're never going to play because they're never going to play until you have to have somebody, right?

[Kevin]

You get a buy or somebody gets hurt and you go.

[Bobby Bones]

And I've got. I have handcuffs to my best. So again, I don't win every season because it's one game and you're out. So I got to buy. First week of the playoffs. Second week of the playoffs is this week. I'm the number one overall.

[Kevin]

See?

[Bobby Bones]

But I'm playing a team that got really hot. But yeah, I watched the freaking witching hours. When I lose everything. I never win in the witching hour ever.

[Kevin]

Is there anything worse than your say it's your running back makes a really long run down to the three yard line and then all of a sudden they substitute him out and the other guy scores and you go, no, the worst.

[Bobby Bones]

The worst. Yes. Okay, we are done. Thank you guys for watching. Thank you for listening. That's Matt Castle. Let's kick off. Kevin, that's Brandon Ray. I'm Bobby Bones. We'll see you next week. We've had lots to say.

[Matt Castle]

Bye, everybody.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Kevin]

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[Bobby Bones]

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