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Erin Andrews
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Matt Castle
We Got lots to say?
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Victor Cruz
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Matt Castle
Now here's Bobby and that. What's up, everybody? And welcome back to Matt Castle, who celebrated his 19th wedding anniversary.
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Bobby Bones
Thank you. Thank you. Yes. It's good to be back, but it was so amazing to get away for a few days. I'm not going to lie.
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Matt Castle
No kids, right?
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Bobby Bones
No kids. This. Yeah. I told you. On our 10th anniversary with no coverage, four kids, and a pregnant wife was not the most romantic. This was definitely romantic. It was wonderful to get away for a few days and be adults. And good food. We went on hikes. One of the most strenuous hikes I've ever been on in my life. I know how to read a map. But we got. We were up there for about two hours and 30 minutes, and I don't think I read the map very well because I didn't realize there was a V on the sections that were very strenuous. And I'm not kidding you. We basically scaled the mountain down. We could have rappelled. It could have been, like, Bear Gryll.
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Matt Castle
We went to the same place and got lost once. And we kept coming to this. There's like a. It may have been different trail, but there was, like a center where there were maps somewhere in the mountain. And we kept coming to that place, but it was the exact same place. We kept getting wrapped around. We were like, oh, there's another map. And it was the same one we had just been at. They also gave us walkie talkies at this place. And we didn't take the walkie talkies. We didn't take the walkie talkies.
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Bobby Bones
They told us. My wife's like, is this a bad idea not to take the walk? I was like, babe, I've been hunting up in Montana.
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Matt Castle
Oh, dude, I got you.
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Bobby Bones
I got you. I had the map. No idea where we were. She kept saying, where's the trailhead? Do you see paint on the trees? I was like, I'm really hoping I'm going the right way, but I can't convincingly tell you that I'm going to get you home right now.
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Matt Castle
I have. Because of your anniversary, your 19th wedding anniversary. Let's look back at sports and pop culture from 2007, the year you got married.
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Bobby Bones
2007. Here we go.
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Matt Castle
The number one movie was Spider Man 3. Now, the thing about the Spider man movies, that's got to be the Tobey Maguire version, right? Because They're. It's got to be multiple spider mans at this point. And they're all like small twerpy white guys.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah.
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Matt Castle
But I think that was probably our spider man.
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Bobby Bones
Right. And Toby worked out for that role. There's no doubt about it.
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Matt Castle
Number one pop song. Beyonce is irreplaceable. Can you sing it?
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Bobby Bones
You're irreplaceable.
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Matt Castle
Is it that? To the left, to the left,
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Commercial Announcer
to the left.
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Matt Castle
That's that song, right?
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Kevin
Yeah.
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Matt Castle
Okay. The number one rap song, Soulja Boy. Crank that.
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Bobby Bones
Oh, crank that. Dude, I used to crank that.
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Matt Castle
Oh, you're doing it. I was there just listening. He was doing the Soulja Boy. Yes.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah. I'm a big old school hip hop. Don't kid yourself.
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Matt Castle
The iPhone debuts was priced at 500 bucks for a 4 gig model, 600 bucks for an 8 gig model. The number one TV show was American Idol. Hey, were you that in 07? No, I wasn't.
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Bobby Bones
No.
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Matt Castle
Shoot.
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Victor Cruz
No.
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Bobby Bones
I thought you were. Contestant, the NBA mvp.
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Matt Castle
Can you just reach out of nowhere and grab that? 2007 MVP Kobe Bryant. Dirk Nowitzki.
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Bobby Bones
Yep.
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Matt Castle
I knew that the Mavericks did not win the championship that year, though. Who did?
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Bobby Bones
Kobe Bryant? No, it was the.
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Matt Castle
Oh, the Spurs. Yeah. Jimmy Rollins wins MVP in baseball and in football,
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Bobby Bones
Tom Brady was the mvp. And the Giants won the Super Bowl.
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Matt Castle
Yeah, it was the undefeated year.
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Bobby Bones
They were really good.
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Matt Castle
Until.
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Bobby Bones
Until we weren't. Yeah. Thanks. You love that. To just.
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Matt Castle
I don't. I don't.
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Bobby Bones
You won a Super bowl, right?
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Matt Castle
No, no, I was the one initially. When I googled, did Castle ever win a Super Bowl? It said yes, and I showed you where it said that, so I thought you just won a Super Bowl.
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Bobby Bones
No, I mean, like I said, I was the only backup in the history of the New England Patriot run from the 2000s to the 2000s that didn't. Did not be part of a Super bowl team.
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Matt Castle
But there is a positive to that. The reason that you didn't continue longer as backup is because you got a starting job somewhere else. That's where you went and made your money.
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Bobby Bones
It's all perspective.
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Matt Castle
No, that's not perspective.
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Bobby Bones
That's the real. The reality of it. That is the reality of it.
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Matt Castle
Would you have rather been a backup and won a championship with.
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Bobby Bones
No.
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Matt Castle
Exactly.
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Bobby Bones
No. I'm proud of you. Thank you.
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Matt Castle
If I have to tell you this, I'm proud of you.
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Bobby Bones
Thank you. I'm proud of you too.
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Matt Castle
For the man you've become and the man you were and the man you are. Yeah. Happy 19th anniversary, buddy.
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Bobby Bones
Thank you, buddy.
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Matt Castle
I got a couple things I did see. I was looking at Fernando Mendoza and he's going to go to the combine, but he's not going to throw. And his whole thing was he's going to throw to his own guys during pro day.
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Bobby Bones
Right.
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Matt Castle
You didn't go to the combine.
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Bobby Bones
Did not go to the combine.
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Matt Castle
Was it because you weren't invited?
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Bobby Bones
That's pretty fair to say, yeah. You know, normally they invite people that have had quite a few starts or some experience. Me, on the other hand, no, I did not go to the combine, was not invited.
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Matt Castle
So. But your pro day was interesting because you had a pro day, but with a lot of other people.
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Bobby Bones
Right, right. So it's all the collective athletes at your school at the time that are coming out to the pros and we just happen to be absolutely loaded. Right. We're coming off of two national champions championships. And so every scout comes to your pro day, especially a high profile school like USC at the time. And I just knew I was gonna get a chance to go out there and perform and show my skillset. So that's really what made or break was kind of a make or break day for me to go out and perform well and run all the drills and then be able to throw at the end. And that's what sparked. That's when all the scouts came up to me after and surrounded me and like, tell us your story. Who, why, why didn't you play this, that and the other? I was like, it's pretty obvious. There's a guy. Carson Palmer did pretty well. He's the number one draft pick. This other guy, Matt Leinart, had a pretty good year. He won the Heisman Trophy as well. And I kind of got stuck in between and they decided a week before season that they were going to go with Leinart, so. But it sparked interest and got me some private workouts and all that stuff. But I think that's the smart play for any quarterback that's come out that's already established and have. Has achieved what Fernando Mendoza has to go out there and throw to your guys in a very comfortable environment because he's not the. The play speaks for itself. Now he's just going out there and throwing in shorts and showing everybody that he's got a cannon for an arm.
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Matt Castle
Yeah. And he wants to highlight his guys.
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Bobby Bones
He said, right, because Elijah Stewart's coming out and they've got Omar Cooper. Omar Cooper is coming out as well. So he's got two guys are coming out in the draft as well. That guys are going to want to look at those guys. So I think it's a good decision.
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Matt Castle
Who was at your pro day because you guys were loaded, but who also was showing off?
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Bobby Bones
Who's that? Kerry Colbert. We had Lofotupu, we had Darrell Patterson, we had Sean Cody. These guys were all first and second round picks. We had Ryan Khalil was coming out, Sam Baker, left tackle. We had a ton of guys coming out that year that were all high draft pick.
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Matt Castle
Whenever there are that many guys, does everybody do it at a specific time so all scouts can watch every single person or is it all happening at once and people have to go around and like pick and choose?
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Bobby Bones
They kind of pick and choose because the defensive linemen are going to go do defensive lineman drills. They're going to have one coach come out and run the drills and coach Ogeron was running the drills for the defensive lineman. But they want to look at their get off. They want to see their transitions and their agility ability. They work their hands a little bit. Then you've got the, the DB drills are much different, right? They're going to see how they transition out of their backpedal and do all these different types of agility drills and watch how they catch the ball. Are they, are they one of those that go up and catch the ball with their hands? They catch the ball on their chest. You know, they're evaluating all those movement patterns for each group. And then for the quarterbacks, wide receivers, we get together and go through what we call the route tree, right? You'll start with a slant, you'll start with a hitch and then it gets to comebacks and there'll be, usually be a quarterback coach. There's. That'll run you through drill so you'll have some movement patterns. It won't just be five step with, with a hitch, five step in rhythm. It'll be all these different types of throws that you might see in a normal game.
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Matt Castle
And. But you would do them not at the same time. I mean, at the same time everybody has a chance to see everybody.
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Bobby Bones
Everybody has a chance to see everybody. And if you're more focused on the defensive line group, because we are loaded at the defensive line group, then a lot of those guys would kind of go and evaluate over there and there might be another drill going on. We actually happen to be the last position group to go. And I was like, no, wait, wait. I see some of these coaches starting to leave because they probably didn't have me or some of our wide receivers on their radar at that time. And so you're hoping that you spark enough interest. But they're also not just coaches, GMs, people like that, there's scouts. So those scouts primarily are there to look at everything holistically and give their evaluations.
- [11:09]
Matt Castle
How many guys there or after that told you, hey, we may draft you?
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Bobby Bones
Well, it was interesting because I had four or five private workouts after that.
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Matt Castle
Who else?
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Bobby Bones
It was the Bengals, it was San Diego, it was Oakland, it was one other team.
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Matt Castle
And do you go there?
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Bobby Bones
No, they came to me at usc. So we would go in. And that was always an interesting part of the process is you'd go in and you'd sit in a room like this, and they want to get to know you. They talk a little bit about your story and then they want to put on film and see what you know, what you retain, how you call play. And can you tell me why you're working a certain route concept here versus here, here. And so you sit down and they kind of get to know you in the film study room. And formationally, they want you to call out formations. Why are you doing this? What, you know, what was this motion called? So they're going to try to test you in that way. And then you go out on the field and they'll run you through a rigorous workout. It's usually about 35, 45 minutes of all different types of throws. And once you go through cadence and they might even tell you a play, that how they call it for their offensive unit. And they want you to be able to recite that play as if you're in a huddle and get to line of scrimmage and then run the route concept that they want to run.
- [12:19]
Matt Castle
Could you tell which coaches or which teams were a little more on it based on what they wanted from you?
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Bobby Bones
A little bit. But it was pretty detail oriented with every coach because they sent their quarterback coach out and that quarterback coach knew exactly what they were looking for and the type of offense. Some of it was more movement patterns like boots and sprint outs and stuff like that. Some of it was more play action deep down field, deep end cuts, deep comeback routes, stuff like that. So every team was a little, little bit different that way. The one team that did not come and work me out was the New England Patriots. And so before the draft, before the third day of the draft, back then, I started getting phone calls and a lot of these teams wanted me to come out, come in as a free agent, said, hey, look where you're definitely on our radar if we don't draft you late now. If you don't draft me late. I get that. And I was planning on going somewhere and to my picking as a free agent.
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Matt Castle
Did you have an idea where you wanted to go?
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Bobby Bones
Probably San Diego. Yeah, probably. Probably San Diego. I mean, it's close. It's right down the road. Right. And so at that point, going into that last day, my agent asked me to come down to his office because he said, it's going to happen quick. You're going to field calls and we're going to make a decision. And then. Because they'll fill that slot. So I went down and then all of a sudden we got a call from. Actually, it was in the morning that day. Scott Pioli called me and said, hey, I want to let you know we're really interested in you. We have a late seventh round draft pick. If we take you, we're going to. If we take a quarterback, we're going to take you. If not, we want you to consider coming to New England. And they weren't even on my radar at that point, but then they made the phone call and Belichick called and said, hey, we're going to take you next in the NFL draft. And said it in that voice. And I thought he was kidding. And I was like, are you messing with me?
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Victor Cruz
Who.
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Bobby Bones
Who is this?
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Matt Castle
How did Pioli know?
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Bobby Bones
I have no idea. There was a scout at my pro day, Matt Russell, who I got to know really well when I was back in New England, and he was the one that went and stood on the table for me and vouched for me. And I'll be forever grateful to him because he's one of those area scouts that was there, like I said, watching the pro day and evaluating talent. And he said, hey, we've got to check this guy out. And then I sent. I sent out film of spring ball. I sent out film of the 32 passes I had in college. I was sending them whatever I had to send them because I didn't have a lot of film.
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Matt Castle
I have your numbers from your pro day.
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Bobby Bones
Oh, gosh. I didn't run as well as I thought I was going to run.
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Matt Castle
What did you think you'd run?
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Bobby Bones
I thought I was going to be a 4, 4, 7 guy. Low 4, 7 guy.
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Matt Castle
Do you remember what you ran?
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Bobby Bones
4, 8.
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Victor Cruz
Yeah.
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Matt Castle
4, 8, 8.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah. That was terrible. It's like lineman speed now.
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Matt Castle
Lineman speed. I don't think then. Then it was just mildly.
- [15:01]
Bobby Bones
No, I had some Boosies. Dude, I could go.
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Matt Castle
I believe you.
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Bobby Bones
I ran away from people, but 4,
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Matt Castle
8 then was a little faster than it is now.
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Bobby Bones
Not when you saw Carson Palmer two years before. You run like a 4, 5.
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Matt Castle
He did.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah. He's a big dude, too. 6, 5, 2, 3. Scooting down the track, your vertical was 34 inches. Yeah. Pretty good.
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Matt Castle
Could you dunk?
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Bobby Bones
No, I never have been able to dunk. I never really tried at your size. Maybe I. Maybe I could dunk every now and then. 34 is pretty good, though, for 6. 4, I think. What does that put me at? Does that put me above 10ft?
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Matt Castle
It should do the max. And with your arms.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I could dunk a basketball.
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Matt Castle
But you never have.
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Bobby Bones
No, I never will. I never was a jumper. I never had to jump. My position was, keep your footing, stay solid on the ground, keep a good foundation, a good base, and rip it.
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Matt Castle
You and Fitzpatrick, basically. Same speed.
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Bobby Bones
Really? That makes me feel better.
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Matt Castle
Would you have thought he was faster or slower than you?
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Bobby Bones
He's shorter than I am. Stockier. Maybe a little bit faster. Yeah.
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Matt Castle
All right. I just want to start my 3 cone.
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Bobby Bones
What about my 3 cone?
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Matt Castle
I don't know. I have all that, but I don't know how to evaluate shuttles.
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Victor Cruz
Okay.
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Matt Castle
My shuttle, my broad jump was 115 inches.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah. Dude, that's outstanding.
- [16:14]
Matt Castle
I don't know if it is or not.
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Bobby Bones
That's. That's like.
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Matt Castle
You tell me if I should.
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Bobby Bones
It's like Spider Man. We talked about Spider man earlier. That's basically me sending out my web.
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Matt Castle
A three cone drill. What's a good. What's a good number?
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Bobby Bones
I don't know. Whatever I had was good. Yeah?
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Victor Cruz
Yeah.
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Matt Castle
7.2.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah. That's pretty good.
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Matt Castle
Three cone drill. Yeah, I don't. I didn't bring that up because I don't know how to change that.
- [16:31]
Bobby Bones
Honestly, I don't either. Okay. Yeah, but I knew. I knew. I felt like I was moving around those cones pretty well.
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Matt Castle
All right, so I wanted to just start with your anniversary and pro day and Mendoza. So I'm over to you now. What do you got?
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Bobby Bones
What do I got? Did you watch the Olympics? At least tell me you watched the hockey game.
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Matt Castle
I woke up and watched the hockey.
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Bobby Bones
Did you watch the whole thing?
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Matt Castle
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
It was epic. Was it not?
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Matt Castle
Yeah. I'm not a hockey guy, but I am an America guy.
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Bobby Bones
I'm a big America guy. And there was not a better way to celebrate the ending of the Olympics than When the hockey U.S. hockey team won against their arch rival, Canada. And then the. Just the celebration, the pure joy in those dudes faces.
- [20:27]
Matt Castle
I think anytime you're missing teeth and smiling, that's what makes you look awesome. If you're missing teeth and crying, aww. If you're missing teeth or if you're. If you're smiling with all your teeth, you're just happy. But if you're missing teeth and you're smiling, there's something special about you.
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Bobby Bones
And you lost teeth during the game.
- [20:44]
Matt Castle
Yeah, I took a high stick.
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Bobby Bones
Took the high stick. And the other guy took a high stick and chipped his teeth out. But how defeated did Canada look?
- [20:51]
Matt Castle
I had a problem with just generally speaking, how long they made them stay on the ice after they. They could have let them go back to the locker room because they had to stay out there for 28 minutes
- [21:00]
Bobby Bones
and just watch the joyous celebration of the Americans who just beat them. And then they also gave them that little doll, which they stuffy. And nobody made a face about it either. What was the stuffy? I kind of want to. I'm interested to know the significance of this stuffy.
- [21:13]
Matt Castle
They gave it to every person on the medal stand for the entire Olympics. And the people that won the first place was always a little happier. The people that weren't, they didn't much care about the stuffy. So, yeah, I think that was just something they did. It was weird. They should have given it with a medal.
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Bobby Bones
Well, especially hockey guys like you're sitting there giving. Maybe you give it to your daughter or something like that. But it was just an interesting memento to walk away with.
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Matt Castle
I didn't feel like they needed to go back down the line a second time and do a second diploma handshake to give a stuffy.
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Bobby Bones
Right.
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Matt Castle
They could have given them the medal and then hand them the stuffy and then shake a hand. Yeah. What did your kids call stuffed animals?
- [21:50]
Bobby Bones
We've got everything from Pink Bunny, like literally named Pink Bunny since she was a little kid that she calls. Well, that's actually my son was Handed down one, called it pink bunny, blue bunny. We had piggy, and then some of my kids. Don't care less about stuffies.
- [22:07]
Matt Castle
Is that generic term? Was it stuffy with your kids? Stuffed animal.
- [22:11]
Bobby Bones
Stuffed animal. Stuffy.
- [22:12]
Matt Castle
Kevin, what about you guys?
- [22:13]
Kevin
Yeah, stuffed animal.
- [22:15]
Matt Castle
But would you say, here's your stuffed animal?
- [22:17]
Bobby Bones
No, we called it lovey back in the day.
- [22:20]
Matt Castle
All things like this is all things, all stuffed are called what?
- [22:23]
Kevin
Yeah, stuffed animals.
- [22:25]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [22:25]
Kevin
No matter what. Here's your dinosaur stuffed animal or your bear. But it's all stuffed animal.
- [22:30]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [22:31]
Matt Castle
Feels like too many syllables. I have nieces and their parents call them stuffies. Like, get your stuffy.
- [22:37]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, you just take up Kevin's like,
- [22:38]
Matt Castle
get your stuffed animal. Approximately 6.2 ounces.
- [22:42]
Bobby Bones
Get your dinosaur stuffed animal. Play with that.
- [22:46]
Matt Castle
I did watch the John Elway documentary on Netflix.
- [22:48]
Bobby Bones
I haven't seen that.
- [22:50]
Matt Castle
So my wife's pregnant, and so she was just down and out. So I was just searching for shows. And also I'm not traveling at all because of her being pregnant. And I'm just bobbing through Netflix. And it's so hard to find something to watch when you have no idea what you want to watch. It's way harder now than it used to be whenever you would just flip the channels because you knew that thing would peter out at, like, 86 and start over. So you knew as you were getting to the end. Well, I'm about to start over, so I gotta make a decision. There is no end on streaming platforms.
- [23:16]
Bobby Bones
Oh, no.
- [23:17]
Matt Castle
Cause you go for all Netflix, all Amazon, all Paramount Plus. So I made a commitment to get on Netflix and find something, and I was gonna find something in sports on Netflix. And I said I was gonna watch the 49ers docu series or the Elway documentary. And so I decided on the Elway documentary, and I thought it was pretty good. I had forgotten he'd lost three Super Bowls before he ever won one.
- [23:40]
Bobby Bones
Oh, yeah.
- [23:40]
Matt Castle
Three.
- [23:41]
Bobby Bones
Three.
- [23:42]
Matt Castle
And that when he went to his fourth, his mom was like, are we sure we want to go back? Because he had been through three losses, including back to backs.
- [23:50]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, he was trending toward Buffalo Bills, Jim Kelly. Like, he was trending that way until the very end of his career.
- [23:56]
Matt Castle
And then he hit two.
- [23:57]
Bobby Bones
Hit two back to back.
- [23:58]
Matt Castle
And then he retired. I thought it was pretty good. It does not seem like he's a good guy, though, really, because the documentary definitely didn't make him look like a bad guy, but they did not make him look like a good guy.
- [24:09]
Bobby Bones
Was it because of the Controversy when he was coming out and he didn't want to be drafted by. Was it the Colts?
- [24:15]
Matt Castle
No, not really. Yeah, it was Baltimore, right? Not really. That part was kind of understandable because they were talking about. And I didn't know this. Anybody looked this up, Kevin. But how. The owner of the Baltimore Colts had some controversy because I think he fired a coordinator and started calling plays himself from the sideline like he was just like, crazy. And so nobody wanted to play for that organization. So Elway, number one draft pick, is picked by the Colts. Elway goes to the press conference, and I felt like he was pretty well spoken for a 20 year old. And he said, hey, I. But we told them before not to draft me, that I didn't want to play for them. I didn't want it to come to this. But now we have some decisions to make. The Yankees also drafted him.
- [24:50]
Bobby Bones
Yankees.
- [24:52]
Matt Castle
So in the end, you know, he gets traded to the Broncos. They really didn't make him look like a jerk there. It was just his family didn't do him any favors either because they'd be like, you know, if we lost, we just wouldn't go around dad at all. The house was so hard to be in. And then it would be like, yeah, dad wasn't here much. He was more football than family. It was just saying all this stuff, really. And it just kind of all piled in and I was like, john Elway, not a good dude.
- [25:15]
Bobby Bones
This is. This is overwhelming for me right now.
- [25:18]
Matt Castle
Yeah.
- [25:18]
Toyota Advertiser
Athlete a plus.
- [25:20]
Matt Castle
Athlete a plus. Like one of the greatest ever, ever.
- [25:23]
Bobby Bones
Like, absolute cannon for an arm.
- [25:26]
Matt Castle
What do you see over there, Kevin? Yeah.
- [25:27]
Kevin
Robert Irsay. He made a bunch of different decisions, including benching players, calling plays, firing all the assistants. One year himself.
- [25:36]
Bobby Bones
That's amazing.
- [25:37]
Matt Castle
Wow.
- [25:38]
Kevin
And even credited himself for calling a play on a touchdown pass once.
- [25:41]
Bobby Bones
Hey. He credited himself. Hey, that would be pretty cool, though, if you're the owner and you're like, dude, I'm calling this play.
- [25:47]
Matt Castle
I would want, if I were the owner, I would hire me to call the plays.
- [25:50]
Kevin
And that's what. His granddaughter is the one that sits on the sideline now.
- [25:53]
Matt Castle
Right. And she wants to listen in with the notepad.
- [25:55]
Kevin
Yes.
- [25:56]
Bobby Bones
She listens in to the place.
- [25:57]
Matt Castle
She keeps the headset on the whole time. You've seen that.
- [26:00]
Bobby Bones
No, I haven't.
- [26:01]
Matt Castle
Yeah.
- [26:01]
Kevin
Oh, yeah.
- [26:02]
Bobby Bones
Come on.
- [26:03]
Matt Castle
And. And while they're winning, it's really cool. While they were winning last year, I was like, wow, look how dialed in she is. And then when they started losing, then your question then it was like, why? Why is she doing this?
- [26:12]
Bobby Bones
Why are we doing this? Do you understand what's being taught? Are you in the meetings? Do you see the intricacies of the game and why he's checking this play? No, you don't. You're just hearing random words in your, in your ear. He's fighting.
- [26:24]
Matt Castle
I thought the documentary was pretty good.
- [26:26]
Bobby Bones
Pretty good.
- [26:27]
Matt Castle
Did you watch it? Yeah.
- [26:28]
Kevin
I didn't realize.
- [26:28]
Bobby Bones
I don't know.
- [26:29]
Matt Castle
That bad.
- [26:29]
Kevin
He lost those Super Bowls either.
- [26:30]
Matt Castle
Yeah.
- [26:31]
Kevin
I knew he had lost a couple, but, man, he got blown out.
- [26:33]
Matt Castle
Yeah. I didn't think it made as a person. It didn't make him look any better.
- [26:37]
Bobby Bones
Really?
- [26:38]
Matt Castle
Yeah. As an athlete.
- [26:39]
Bobby Bones
Athlete.
- [26:39]
Matt Castle
He had no idea. That's before we were around. Like he was playing for STANFORD in like 79, 80, 80, whatever, whenever that is. Yeah, he was crazy.
- [26:46]
Victor Cruz
He.
- [26:47]
Matt Castle
There's a story because his dad was a football coach.
- [26:49]
Bobby Bones
Right. And grew up in Granada Hills, right down the street from where I grew up.
- [26:53]
Matt Castle
Whenever his dad was, I think, fired from like Washington State up there, and they were driving down and he was like, hey, what position are you going to try for? And John, I was like, running back. And he goes, now you're going to be quarterback.
- [27:03]
Bobby Bones
That's awesome.
- [27:04]
Matt Castle
And then he got lucky that his high school quarterback was like so far ahead and maybe Stanford at throwing the football because they actually threw the ball, which back then it was just run, run, run, run, run, run.
- [27:15]
Bobby Bones
Little play action. Little, Little. You know what show I've been watching on Netflix. Have you ever seen the show alone? They literally take these people 100 some miles past the Arctic Circle.
- [27:27]
Matt Castle
It's like a survival type show.
- [27:28]
Bobby Bones
Right. Do you think you could actually survive out there? I mean, there's grizzlies, there's moose and. And I'm not saying that, but these people are gnarly. The shelters that they make, the skill set that they have. And it's fascinating to me and makes me feel like such a less human that I don't know how to do anything that they know how to do.
- [27:46]
Matt Castle
These people are crazy and they. They're crazy and they have such a skill set. It is an odd combination. Unbelievable that they can go. I worked with the producers of that show, really, because when I on my show, because I moved to South America for a month and a half to go and do a show in the jungle on Peacock and some of those producers worked on Alone and Naked and Afraid, all those like, they like shared because they were. That's a similar type show. And they would talk about how those people were just insane. Like you had to be insane to even want to do it, to agree to do it right. And then you had to be like insanely good and wildly smart to also exist on a show like that, to actually survive it.
- [28:24]
Bobby Bones
And the one thing about alone is they truly are in the middle of a wilderness. At least in naked and afraid, you've got somebody there that you can kind of compete with and do that alone. You are by yourself. And the demons, you can see it just after a while when they're malnutritioned and all that stuff, they start to get emotional. And these people aren't emotional. They are back country woodsmen. These women are just as strong as the men.
- [28:48]
Matt Castle
It is wild, not the same. So no, I don't think I would survive in the situations they're put in.
- [28:53]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [28:54]
Matt Castle
So no. My answer is no. I would die. I die sad and I would die crying.
- [28:57]
Bobby Bones
I definitely would make sure that I had that radio that they said, look, if you want to tap out, push it.
- [29:02]
Matt Castle
When I did Bear girls the first time we went to Norway and so was it cold? It's freezing cold. And it was raining. It was raining the whole time. It wasn't snowing. It was freezing cold and raining. So we were constantly wet. And it's a two day deal. And my flight was delayed like 14 hours at different places. So as soon as I landed, I didn't get to sleep. We went right into action. So I'm exhausted. When I land, we start, I am like crevassing. However the word and bear joins me in the middle. That's how it is. Bear comes in on a helicopter. And so we're climbing these mountains, going down on ropes, all these things. And there's this water we have to go across. And I'm thinking we're going to make a boat or something and no, no, no, we're going to wade through it. But again it's.
- [29:43]
Bobby Bones
You're freezing, freezing.
- [29:45]
Matt Castle
And so we're wading through it and he's like, hey, we have to find food. So it could be any kinds of animals, anything. Yes.
- [29:52]
Bobby Bones
We're looking for or plant lies dead.
- [29:54]
Matt Castle
Yes, anything. And so he's like, if you see anything, it counts. We just want to have it on camera. And so we're going through and I see something, some animal is carcass floating.
- [30:06]
Erin Andrews
Oh.
- [30:07]
Matt Castle
And I'm like, there's something. And so we go over to it and flip it over and it's on the top because it had been exposed to Air. It was a dead sheep, and the whole top part had been rotted. And you see this on the episode. But because the bottom part was under the water, it was preserved.
- [30:23]
Bobby Bones
So you cut out the meat from underneath.
- [30:25]
Matt Castle
So we pulled it to the side, and this is where my skills come through. I grew up in Arkansas. I can clean an animal.
- [30:29]
Bobby Bones
Let's go.
- [30:30]
Matt Castle
Still pretty good. It's been a while, but I would still give me probably a B minus after having not done it. And to bear, all he knows is I'm like, the nerdy guy who is funny.
- [30:40]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. Never been out in the wilderness, just.
- [30:43]
Matt Castle
And he's like, what we're gonna do here with this sheep, boy. What we gonna do here with this sheep is we're going to clean. I was like, oh, I'm pretty familiar, and I know where to go. And he's like, oh, cronky. He's not Australia.
- [30:53]
Bobby Bones
I was gonna say that's what it was like.
- [30:55]
Matt Castle
He was so shocked at the fact that I knew how to clean this animal.
- [30:59]
Kevin
Cranky.
- [31:00]
Matt Castle
I wouldn't have, because so much was rotted. I wouldn't have thought the bottom half is preserved. The top half is rotted. So I wouldn't have thought that. But once he said, hey, that's fine, then I totally cleaned the bottom half, like 70% of it. I didn't want to get too close to the rotted meat, but that's all we had to eat. And that's literally 40 days.
- [31:18]
Bobby Bones
So did you cook it?
- [31:19]
Matt Castle
40 hours. We cooked it and it wasn't great because there was no seasoning or anything,
- [31:24]
Bobby Bones
but it was just enough.
- [31:24]
Matt Castle
So hungry.
- [31:25]
Bobby Bones
So hungry.
- [31:26]
Matt Castle
When I tell you that that show is exactly what it is for 48 hours. It's exactly what it is for 48 hours.
- [31:31]
Bobby Bones
I like that, though.
- [31:32]
Matt Castle
So that was the food that we ate and then we made. We cooked extra and just kept it in our pocket.
- [31:37]
Bobby Bones
I love it. Beef jerky.
- [31:39]
Matt Castle
There is a scene on the very end. If you go to Disney, all this is up. So the first one that I did in Norway, because I did two episodes at the very end, we're standing on this thing, and they bring a helicopter in to get you. We have to stand on the side of the helicopter as it goes and, like, flips around a mountain. We're standing up. We're standing, holding on to the side of it.
- [31:58]
Bobby Bones
Let's get this shot.
- [31:58]
Matt Castle
It was crazy.
- [32:00]
Bobby Bones
Are you buckled in? At least we're clipped in. Yeah, you're clipped in.
- [32:03]
Matt Castle
But I could still have let go.
- [32:05]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [32:05]
Matt Castle
Or Fallen off. And I would have been dangling by a cliff.
- [32:08]
Bobby Bones
That would have been kind of cool.
- [32:09]
Matt Castle
No.
- [32:10]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. You would have sold that for the television. Like, did you. Falling at the end. Just, like, hanging off and eating beef jerky out of your. Out of your pocket. I think it would have been awesome.
- [32:20]
Matt Castle
And I was like, I'm never doing this again. They call me, like, we do another episode.
- [32:23]
Bobby Bones
You're like, absolutely.
- [32:24]
Matt Castle
And I was like, I don't think so. I don't have anything else to do, anything else to say. And they were like, well, we'd love for you, because I was about to launch a show on Nat Geo, and they're like, it'd be great for you to launch your show. And my wife was in a good place, and she was my fiance then, and I said, they want you to do it with me. And she's extremely athletic, but she doesn't want to be on tv. And luckily, she'd been to her therapist, and her therapist was like, if you're going to suffer, like, the negative things from his career and the people, you should also get to take advantage of some of the fun stuff. I just happened to catch her on a good day.
- [32:52]
Bobby Bones
Oh, she did it.
- [32:53]
Matt Castle
She did it. Our second episode is me and my wife.
- [32:56]
Bobby Bones
That's cool.
- [32:56]
Matt Castle
In, like, the Sierra Nevada mountains.
- [32:59]
Bobby Bones
Was that easier, obviously, than the other one? I'm thinking it was just because of weather conditions and all that stuff.
- [33:04]
Matt Castle
We did a lot more high things on that one.
- [33:06]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [33:07]
Matt Castle
In Norway, it was water and cold and animals, and this was just coming off the sides of high cliffs. As soon as we land, this bear comes in on a paraglider, and then a helicopter comes in and bear just clips us. You know how you get on the rope, right? The helicopter. The ladder.
- [33:26]
Bobby Bones
Yep.
- [33:26]
Matt Castle
He says, hold on to the ladder. Clip this one. Clip to the ladder. And we're flying over the mountains, just hanging off the ladder.
- [33:32]
Bobby Bones
Dude, they do some gnarly stuff.
- [33:33]
Matt Castle
You don't know. And they don't tell you what you're going to do because you'll not do it.
- [33:35]
Bobby Bones
Sign away your life, I'm guessing, like, if you die. Did anybody. Has anybody really been hurt on those things?
- [33:41]
Matt Castle
No, I think they're safe because. And I'm going to say this and understand how ridiculous it is when I say it.
- [33:46]
Kevin
Okay.
- [33:47]
Matt Castle
It's a celebrity show.
- [33:48]
Bobby Bones
Right.
- [33:49]
Matt Castle
So for the most part, finger quote, celebrities aren't gonna agree to do something where it looks like they might die.
- [33:55]
Bobby Bones
Well, they're gonna die.
- [33:56]
Matt Castle
Yeah. So I was the very bottom of the barrel celebrity. I get it. But I was still considered the celebrity, so stop.
- [34:02]
Bobby Bones
Stop throwing shit on yourself. Next episode, you're going to fight Komodo dragons. No.
- [34:07]
Matt Castle
Next episode was Celebrity Wheel of Fortune. Oh, yeah.
- [34:10]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. You still have nightmares about when you're in third grade and you had to go up and spell something and go,
- [34:16]
Matt Castle
I don't mind spelling.
- [34:17]
Victor Cruz
Huh?
- [34:17]
Matt Castle
I was good at spelling.
- [34:18]
Bobby Bones
Oh, well, then you'll be fine at Wheel of Fortune. Bad, bad. Always bad. Are you good at crosswords?
- [34:24]
Matt Castle
I don't think I've done enough.
- [34:25]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. I mean, crosswords throw me for a loop. When they ask those questions and you're supposed to know how to answer, I'm like, I have no idea where they're going with this.
- [34:32]
Matt Castle
Good Jeopardy.
- [34:32]
Kevin
Player.
- [34:33]
Matt Castle
I was quiz bowl captain from seventh grade.
- [34:35]
Bobby Bones
I could see you being a good Jeopardy. Player.
- [34:37]
Matt Castle
Okay. What? What are you saying?
- [34:39]
Bobby Bones
Nerd?
- [34:39]
Kevin
Yeah, exactly.
- [34:41]
Matt Castle
Like in.
- [34:42]
Bobby Bones
Well, you looked at me like that,
- [34:43]
Matt Castle
so I'm glad you said it.
- [34:44]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [34:45]
Matt Castle
In seventh grade, I was captain of our 12th grade team, and so I
- [34:47]
Bobby Bones
was captain in seventh grade.
- [34:49]
Matt Castle
Oh, yeah. I was Dom. I was the prodigy for, like, three years.
- [34:53]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [34:53]
Matt Castle
Because I'd be by far the youngest and dominating seniors.
- [34:56]
Bobby Bones
Dominating.
- [34:58]
Matt Castle
And then as I got older, I just started to be somebody who was good because I wasn't always so much younger than everybody else. But, yeah, that was kind of where I got my credit in school, because I was kind of beat up a little bit. I got to be an okay athlete, like, around 11th grade, my junior year. Not a good athlete, but okay athlete that I was good for my team, but my really thrived at Quizpah.
- [35:18]
Bobby Bones
Was it a gifted school for the. Like, a magnet school?
- [35:22]
Matt Castle
No. I went to a terrible school, dude. I went to the worst school. I went to a bat. You did an impression of everybody from Arkansas now. And you know what?
- [35:29]
Bobby Bones
Well, it's better than Australia in English. They do sound very familiar.
- [35:32]
Matt Castle
At least those accents are kind of the same.
- [35:34]
Bobby Bones
Is there nothing better, though, than an accent? I mean, if I could speak in an English accent, I would be 30 times sexier.
- [35:42]
Matt Castle
Three best accents go.
- [35:44]
Bobby Bones
Ooh.
- [35:44]
Matt Castle
Number one.
- [35:45]
Bobby Bones
Australian is definitely up there.
- [35:47]
Matt Castle
Yeah, I'm gonna go British at one British. We'll do a draft. So you can't take British now. I got.
- [35:51]
Bobby Bones
Okay, then I'll go Australian.
- [35:53]
Matt Castle
Okay, let's start over. Number one, first overall pick.
- [35:56]
Bobby Bones
You take Australian.
- [35:57]
Matt Castle
Okay, I'll take British.
- [35:59]
Bobby Bones
And then I can't pick another one.
- [36:00]
Matt Castle
You can't pick one of the two that we picked.
- [36:02]
Bobby Bones
Okay. French. It's just kind of.
- [36:04]
Matt Castle
I feel like it's stinky.
- [36:06]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, Stinky cheese.
- [36:07]
Matt Castle
I feel like you're welcome.
- [36:08]
Bobby Bones
My stinky cheese.
- [36:09]
Matt Castle
I'm gonna go with. This is not gonna be a popular pick.
- [36:14]
Bobby Bones
Let's hear it.
- [36:16]
Matt Castle
German.
- [36:17]
Bobby Bones
German.
- [36:17]
Matt Castle
German.
- [36:19]
Bobby Bones
German. Speaking English.
- [36:21]
Matt Castle
I just. The accent. All I want to do. And this is even, right? It's Russian. If you try, you die. All mine get mixed up. But I'm gonna go, I like the German accent.
- [36:31]
Bobby Bones
Second of all, your talents.
- [36:32]
Toyota Advertiser
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- [36:33]
Bobby Bones
You're way off.
- [36:34]
Matt Castle
And then what's your third accent?
- [36:36]
Bobby Bones
Oh, I think a good country. Just like deep rooted.
- [36:42]
Matt Castle
You were just doing me as that.
- [36:43]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I like it.
- [36:45]
Matt Castle
Now you.
- [36:46]
Bobby Bones
I think it adds a little something to, you know, just not just a normal, but Russian. I don't think I would go with Russian or Middle Eastern. You know, sometimes I don't know if I'd do that either.
- [36:58]
Matt Castle
I like a good island, like, Jamaican accent.
- [37:02]
Bobby Bones
Ooh, good call on that. All right, I'll go. I like that for you.
- [37:05]
Matt Castle
That seems friendly.
- [37:06]
Bobby Bones
That does seem very friendly.
- [37:08]
Matt Castle
Jamaican seems friendly.
- [37:09]
Bobby Bones
Can you try one?
- [37:09]
Matt Castle
Yeah, man. I just hear my doing this. All I do is say mom. I don't even do anything other than say mon. After everything.
- [37:17]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, I like it.
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- [40:13]
Matt Castle
I was at rehabilitation from my ankle. I'm still going through that process where I had surgery on my ankle.
- [40:18]
Bobby Bones
You're pretty deep into that.
- [40:19]
Matt Castle
Yeah, I think I'm getting close to being done. Yeah, I'm not running on it still, but have you done the anti gravity treadmill ever?
- [40:27]
Bobby Bones
It's awesome. Very uncomfortable.
- [40:29]
Matt Castle
You step into two holes and you pull it up around you, kind of like a skirt. And then you zip yourself in and then it blows air to fill it up. And so it almost lifts you up off the ground. And then you do your percentage. And so I ran on 70% yesterday for 15 minutes.
- [40:43]
Bobby Bones
Oh, dude. Oh, you're getting after it.
- [40:45]
Matt Castle
Yeah, Big, big growth.
- [40:47]
Bobby Bones
Were you blowing just.
- [40:48]
Matt Castle
Yeah, because my cardio is bad because I haven't been able to do anything.
- [40:51]
Bobby Bones
You're like, can I just, can I walk it out on an incline for 15 minutes? No, they want you to run.
- [40:56]
Matt Castle
I was trying to watch my phone while doing it and knocked it down into the treadmill too. It's like down to the middle of it. Yeah, but I'm getting there. Yeah, I'm almost.
- [41:05]
Bobby Bones
So pickleballs come in. It's right around the corner. Springs come in. You're going to be on the pickleball Court again, just dominating.
- [41:11]
Matt Castle
Talking a little PTSD about that.
- [41:13]
Bobby Bones
Talking smack to people that try to write you.
- [41:15]
Matt Castle
I know I got a little PTSD about playing pickleball. My wife thinks I'll get back at it, but I'm like, man, it sent me back five months.
- [41:22]
Bobby Bones
Oh, you did it while playing pickleball?
- [41:24]
Matt Castle
A tournament?
- [41:24]
Bobby Bones
I didn't know that I was playing in a tournament. Did you finish the tournament?
- [41:27]
Matt Castle
Yeah, finished third.
- [41:28]
Bobby Bones
Gangster.
- [41:29]
Matt Castle
I did it like the second game. Played the whole tournament. Finished third, lost the semifinals, and then won the.
- [41:37]
Bobby Bones
The grudge match for third.
- [41:38]
Matt Castle
Yeah, whatever. What is that called? Like the losers brackets? I saw it.
- [41:41]
Bobby Bones
It's called the losers brackets.
- [41:42]
Matt Castle
I saw the Olympics too. They were playing for third place. There's a name for that game. But yeah, I won that game.
- [41:48]
Bobby Bones
So you played for bronze, but you won the bronze?
- [41:51]
Matt Castle
I won the bronze.
- [41:52]
Bobby Bones
Did you have it like wrapped up?
- [41:54]
Matt Castle
I didn't want to acknowledge it. Killed me, but I didn't want to acknowledge it or show anyone else that I was hurting. So I did not wrap it up.
- [42:00]
Bobby Bones
Oh, dude.
- [42:01]
Kevin
Consolation.
- [42:02]
Matt Castle
That's it. The consolation game. Yeah. So I lost in the semis to the eventual champion and then won the consolation game. It's my. It's my proudest. It's my proudest third place medal ever.
- [42:13]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, it's awesome. Especially on a hurt ankle.
- [42:16]
Matt Castle
On a hurt ankle, yeah.
- [42:17]
Bobby Bones
How about my buddies was skiing last week, he's literally standing at the bottom of the hill on his skis waiting for his family and a 14 year old snowboarder runs into the back of him, tears his knee apart. Mcl, pcl, acl. I was like, what day of the trip? Literally their first full day skiing.
- [42:37]
Matt Castle
Was he in like the skiing avenue? I don't know what you call ski.
- [42:42]
Bobby Bones
I have no idea where he was, but I guess he was off to the side, close, close to the lifts. Down at the bottom.
- [42:47]
Matt Castle
Yeah.
- [42:47]
Bobby Bones
And he was probably turned around, probably checking his phone or something like that, waiting for his family. And a 14 year old snowboarder came in behind, rolls him up. And then the best part about it, he says, she got up and took off. Didn't wait, didn't say anything and just left. I was like, that's pretty good right there. It's a long recovery.
- [43:08]
Matt Castle
All right, what else you got over there?
- [43:09]
Bobby Bones
What else do I have?
- [43:10]
Matt Castle
Take us somewhere good.
- [43:11]
Bobby Bones
Oh, gosh. I mean, I'm looking at some of these free agents coming up because March 11th we got free agents. And I would have to say, when you look at it I mean, I don't know whether or not we talked a little bit last time about George Pickens being franchise.
- [43:23]
Victor Cruz
He's.
- [43:24]
Bobby Bones
If he goes to the free agency market, I think he's going to be highly valued. But Kenneth Walker iii, do you even think that Seattle could potentially let him walk out of the building?
- [43:31]
Matt Castle
Yes. They have Charbonnet.
- [43:33]
Bobby Bones
They have Charbonnet, but Charbonnet is coming off an ACL injury.
- [43:37]
Matt Castle
Yeah, but I. He doesn't catch. He's not good in the back. Not Charbonnet, but Kenneth Walker. He's great, by the way. Dynamic. We saw him really play well whenever it was just his ball. Because him and Charbonnet split snaps a lot this year, I thought and I think that because he doesn't really pose a threat out of the backfield receiving that they could possibly let him go because just running backs dime a dozen.
- [43:59]
Bobby Bones
I don't know if he's a dime a dozen. He just was super bowl mvp. And also the fabric of who they are offensively, they want to run the rock and he sets the tone for them. He was their leading rusher. Touchdowns, yards, everything else. I don't think they let him walk.
- [44:14]
Matt Castle
I don't think they do now because he was super bowl mvp. But it was a weird super bowl and it was a weird Super Bowl MVP where there really wasn't a play player that was dominant. It was. Who can we find that actually was the most Pretty good.
- [44:26]
Bobby Bones
He was really good. He rushed for over 125 years.
- [44:30]
Matt Castle
He scored a touchdown.
- [44:30]
Bobby Bones
Did he score a touchdown? He scored.
- [44:32]
Matt Castle
I don't think he scored a touchdown. Did he?
- [44:33]
Bobby Bones
You better. You better find it, Kevin.
- [44:35]
Kevin
I'm finding hurried up.
- [44:37]
Matt Castle
I thought he was just the most pretty good. I can be wrong.
- [44:41]
Kevin
No touchdowns, but 161 total yards.
- [44:44]
Matt Castle
Total yards total. Yeah.
- [44:46]
Bobby Bones
161 is a lot.
- [44:47]
Matt Castle
Yeah, he deserved the MVP, but because there wasn't. There wasn't a standout MVP.
- [44:52]
Kevin
Yeah, because Barner was the only one that scored a touchdown.
- [44:55]
Bobby Bones
That's right.
- [44:57]
Matt Castle
But they can't let him go. You can't let yourself ball.
- [44:59]
Bobby Bones
Can't let him go. Mike Evans. What does Tampa Bay do? I think you got to bring him back. Like you're not going to let him walk and go and be on another team.
- [45:06]
Matt Castle
He's old. How much money he wants.
- [45:09]
Bobby Bones
Super productive. Yeah, that's true.
- [45:10]
Matt Castle
So I think it's a contract situation.
- [45:12]
Bobby Bones
It'll be a contract situation. Debo Samuel is another interesting one.
- [45:15]
Matt Castle
Debo Samuel's body's interesting.
- [45:18]
Bobby Bones
His body is 100% interesting.
- [45:20]
Matt Castle
He looks like a fat guy, but he does not play like a fat guy.
- [45:23]
Bobby Bones
He looks like a running back that's a little bit overweight.
- [45:25]
Matt Castle
Yeah, he looks like James Harden when he wanted to get traded.
- [45:26]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, but he's a hell of a football player.
- [45:30]
Matt Castle
Yeah, I love Deebo. How old is Deebo, though? He's got to be mid-30s at this point. Right? Like. And he's not a running back.
- [45:38]
Bobby Bones
No, he's not. But he's so versatile.
- [45:39]
Matt Castle
He's a hybrid.
- [45:40]
Bobby Bones
30.
- [45:40]
Matt Castle
He's only 30.
- [45:42]
Kevin
Just turned 30 this year.
- [45:43]
Matt Castle
I don't think I can sign him to a long term deal. But he's also not running back 30 because he's a wide receiver.
- [45:48]
Bobby Bones
Right.
- [45:48]
Matt Castle
It's a little. If you're a hybrid, I think that's 33. If you're a hybrid, that 30 is 33.
- [45:53]
Bobby Bones
Right. And then Kyle Shanahan's system that they ran in the 49ers when he shined so bright, it was because they utilized his skill set like he wasn't just a wide receiver. They would put him in the backfield, they'd run the jet sweeps. They'd let him get the ball in his hand in space and do great things. So somebody. Somebody's got to pick him up and give him an opportunity. Then you got the Tyreek Hill sweepstakes. So it sounds like they're going to release him. And another guy coming off a major injury. And also, how motivated are you to go out there and play? I'm guessing he is motivated because he wants to get back in the league and show everybody that he's healed. But he's another guy that's an interesting wide receiver that'll be out in the market this year.
- [46:30]
Matt Castle
His speed at some point, though, has to start going backward.
- [46:35]
Bobby Bones
Even if it does, he's still going to be from a four two to a four, three to a four four.
- [46:40]
Matt Castle
But a four four with that size is not a four two because he's not a big wide receiver. Like, he was able to get by because he was so fast.
- [46:47]
Bobby Bones
Right. But that's the question mark that everybody's
- [46:50]
Matt Castle
going to say, I don't want him on my team. He's a distraction. He's aging.
- [46:54]
Bobby Bones
He's so good.
- [46:55]
Matt Castle
He's coming off. I don't want him on my team. Do you want Tyree Kill on your team?
- [46:59]
Bobby Bones
I mean, if he goes out and runs routes like that and wins off the line, I would love him to be on my team. And I'd put Up with that. That's an it.
- [47:05]
Matt Castle
That's a big if right now. You're the gm, I'm saying Tyreek Hill says he'll come to your team for
- [47:12]
Bobby Bones
it won't be the same money he was making, which was what, 30 a year for 25. If you're a desperate team at the wide receiver position and you also have the ability to bring in a superstar wide receiver, that might change the dynamics of that room and give your quarterback an opportunity to go out and perform better and your team offensively to be more explosive, somebody's going to take a chance.
- [47:31]
Matt Castle
What if you're the Raiders?
- [47:33]
Bobby Bones
Oh, I just. I've seen too many guys. Devonte Adams, like so many guys, Antonio Brown, they all have gone there. And the next thing you know, because of the character issues and because of the dysfunctional Vegas. Yeah, it's Vegas.
- [47:46]
Matt Castle
But Miami's Vegas though, right?
- [47:47]
Kevin
That's the same.
- [47:48]
Bobby Bones
But that's why he had problems there, even though he was successful and really productive. I think it was the same problem when you're disjointed in terms of your management and who's in charge and everything else. And you do have a new head coach, but it takes time to build chemistry as a new head coach with a new roster and all the different things going on. You have to have strong leadership on that team. To bring somebody in like that who is headstrong and has a strong personality and has also have some off the field issues as well.
- [48:15]
Matt Castle
I think Tyreek, to me, is James Harden in the NBA. Like, they can be extremely dynamic, but they can also be so distracting.
- [48:23]
Bobby Bones
Yes. Because there's. Because of their personalities.
- [48:26]
Matt Castle
James Harden's been playing really well with Cleveland, by the way.
- [48:29]
Bobby Bones
He's a really good basketball player.
- [48:31]
Matt Castle
He is.
- [48:31]
Bobby Bones
I mean, as much as people want to hate on him and, well, he doesn't win.
- [48:35]
Matt Castle
He doesn't win the big ones.
- [48:36]
Bobby Bones
He hasn't won the big one, but he. He is a hell of a basketball player.
- [48:38]
Matt Castle
Kevin, would you want Tyreek Hill on your team?
- [48:40]
Kevin
No. If there was no injury, then probably. But the injury also scares me. That the age, all that isn't worth it to me.
- [48:47]
Matt Castle
How about Tyreek in Kansas City?
- [48:50]
Bobby Bones
See, I think that's an interesting call.
- [48:52]
Kevin
I feel like that's the only place he's going to really be successful again
- [48:55]
Matt Castle
because it's the only place he'll listen and respect.
- [48:57]
Victor Cruz
Yes.
- [48:57]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. Well, Patrick, Patrick Mahomes, the enemy is back as their offensive coordinator who has dealt with him in the past and been able to suppress some of those things. And, and I'm sure he respects the hell out of, out of Andy Reid. And sometimes when you go someplace like Miami that has some issues and then you come back to the organization that you left to go chase money, you have more of an appreciation for what you had before. That could be a great fit.
- [49:23]
Matt Castle
But if it doesn't work, then you just look like, look like you're grabbing old guys with names to try to make it work.
- [49:28]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, but you don't know if it's not going to work. He could be come back and be that dude again.
- [49:33]
Kevin
Depends on Rasheed Rice because he keeps getting in trouble too.
- [49:36]
Bobby Bones
I know, but that's what I'm saying.
- [49:38]
Matt Castle
Do you want to add another character problem when you already have character problems that we know of, not the ones that we don't even know about?
- [49:45]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, I think it, it always goes back to the GM and the head coach. How can you manage the situation? Because that's the question that they have to answer. At the end of the day, you can bring in as many guys that are skilled and impressive athletes and great football players, but if it doesn't match the culture that you're trying to create and it's more of a distraction than it is a help on the field because you can show up on Sunday and play. We know that. But it's all the rest of stuff that happens throughout the week and whether or not you're going to be available because you did something stupid off the field that is going to directly impact your team. That's the question that it comes down to those guys making that final decision.
- [50:20]
Matt Castle
I'm going to go no on Tyreek.
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Bobby Bones
No on Tyreek.
- [50:23]
Matt Castle
I'm going to go yes on Pickens. I hope he stays with the Cowboys because I think he is able to play with the Cowboys have a lot of veteran leadership there.
- [50:30]
Bobby Bones
They do.
- [50:31]
Matt Castle
And there's somebody even crazier that's an even better wide receiver. So he can't even, he's not even the best wide receiver on that team.
- [50:36]
Bobby Bones
CD Lamb is.
- [50:37]
Matt Castle
Yes. I hope Pickens is with Dallas. They'll have to tag him.
- [50:41]
Bobby Bones
I believe that they're going to have to tag him because he's going to. Every guy that has a year like he had is going to want to go out and test the free agency market to see if somebody will give him that 4 year old 20 plus million dollar deal and see if he can, you know, get his bag of cash. But at the end of the day for the Dallas Cowboys as we talked about before, I don't think that they're willing to commit long term until they see that the way that he behaves on game day and throughout the course of the year is going to be consistent with somebody that's going to do it long term.
- [51:10]
Matt Castle
They did sign Javonte Williams.
- [51:12]
Kevin
Yeah, three years.
- [51:14]
Matt Castle
Good for him coming, you know, coming off an injury when he went over to Dallas, like out of Denver, played extremely consistent last year.
- [51:20]
Bobby Bones
He was outstanding.
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- [54:12]
Victor Cruz
No problem, man. Thanks for having me.
- [54:14]
Matt Castle
Appreciate you. Whenever you got to the league, could you come in undrafted?
- [54:17]
Bobby Bones
Yep.
- [54:18]
Matt Castle
When you get to the league, when did you know, oh, I can do this?
- [54:22]
Victor Cruz
I think it was a two parter. I think in practice, right? Like you get to, to go up against the guys. That was my biggest test, like early on was going up against guys like Terrell Thomas, Corey Webster, you know, Aaron Ross, like, just measuring my talent levels up against those guys, seeing if I can win on routes, seeing if my quickness and my ability was able to win on certain route combos and things like that. And then I was anxious to do it against an opposing team or just another team where we prepare and we scheme and do the whole, you know, we could practice and do those things. So it was again, the Week 1 against the jets when I was like, I did it in practice. Can I do it against another team when they know it's coming or when they, when they've prepared for us as well and they can see it coming and, and when I performed against the jets and we in that first preseason game, I think that's when I knew, like, okay, I can play at this level and if I stay focused and stay locked in, I can really have a good career here.
- [55:14]
Bobby Bones
You know, in 2011 was like your break year. What was it about that year that made you guys so exceptional? Was it the chemistry with Eli? Was it certain things that you worked on in terms of route running? Like, just talk about that year, because it was amazing.
- [55:28]
Victor Cruz
I think it was a couple things. I think it was definitely the, the connection with Eli. I think for me, specifically the year before, that was a lockout year and I was the only guy that was local that Eli could throw with. And yes.
- [55:43]
Bobby Bones
Yeah.
- [55:43]
Victor Cruz
I was like, oh, I remember him calling me and I was like, is somebody pranking me? Is this Eli on my phone right here? Like, what? And he says, Come up to Hoboken, I want to throw. And I was like, okay, we're about to go to some plush football field in Hoboken and like throw the ball around, let me bring my cleats and like bring. We were in the dog park in front of his Hoboken establishment playing catch and throwing the ball around and people were looking. It was like 8:00am and, and people are looking at us walking their dog like, is that Eli throwing the ball over there? And. And I think I got to ask him 100 questions on how he likes the routes to be run on. You know, just understanding that offense a level deeper. And I think that helped me once I became a starter the following year that like I already had a leg up and understanding the offense through his lens and how he wanted it ran. And in that particular offense, being a slot receiver, there was a of lot going on, a lot of different options. You gotta, you almost have to be an extension of the offensive line when blitzes are coming. You just have to be aware of what's happening. And that wasn't always easy. So to have kind of a head start on that was really, really beneficial. So that helped early on and foremost. And then just the confidence level that the coaching staff had in me, in us, and they really put their all behind us. Coach Coffin on receiver. Coach, Coach Gilbride, who was our oc, he really believed in what he saw in all of us and put that to the forefront when he was scheming up plays week in and week out and putting us in the best positions to win for Eli, to hit us and make big plays.
- [57:13]
Matt Castle
When we've talked to people about coach Coughlin, they love him, but they definitely say he wasn't a player's coach. What was he like to you?
- [57:20]
Victor Cruz
You know, the first day we came in, I'll never forget, he was like, I love all of you, but I'm going to treat you all differently. And I was like, okay, that's one, that's one way to go about it. But I love the guy, man. I think he would never, he never hid who he was. He was always a straight shooter. He always wanted the best for all of us. And I think he cared. I think contrary to what it may have looked like, I think he cared about the well being of you individually if you were going through something. I remember I had my, my injuries and he would come up and ask me if I was okay and I would get scared. I'm like, I'm doing great, I'm coming back. I'm I'm feeling better this week. And he was like, I don't care about that. Like, how are you as a person? How are you emotionally doing? How are you at home? How's your family dealing with your injury, you being home more? And he wanted to get to know me. He wanted to know that stuff. So I think for me, I love the fact that he was a hard nosed coach. That's all I ever had leading up to that point. Were guys that were expected the most out of you and would curse you out a little bit if they need to, and if they didn't curse you out, that means they didn't love you kind of thing. So I enjoyed that coaching style and Coach Coughlin brought it each and every week.
- [58:23]
Bobby Bones
You know, we talked about that you were undrafted, but what was it like when you got the phone call that you made your first Pro Bowl? Because that's a special honor that not a lot of people get to say.
- [58:33]
Victor Cruz
That was huge. I think that was the biggest thing obviously coming from winning a Super bowl the year before. The next goal was like, all right, let's make a Pro bowl and let's be all probably and like let's get on that list and to get that phone call. And this is when the game was still in Hawaii and it was still helmets and shoulder pads and like a game and it was just everything I wanted it to be. It was. You know, I grew up watching the Pro Bowl. I grew up watching Sean Taylor, the cleat punters in the Pro bowl, grew up watching Ray Lewis move around. And just like it was a, it was respected. It was a rite of passage to go to the Pro bowl and bring your family. And just that whole week was always so special and I really embraced it and loved it. And to be one of the guys to say I was a Pro Bowler was a. Was a special moment.
- [59:16]
Matt Castle
What's Puerto Rico like?
- [59:17]
Victor Cruz
It's incredible, man. There's so much energy, so much vibes. The food is incredible. The beaches are, are stunning. I think it's a place where I still have family there. I still try to go once a year and visit them and hang out with them. It's a place where you can go and do all of the things that you want to do and all of the things that, that you want and you'll be in a T shirt. The whole or T shirts are optional. In Puerto Rico, you don't have to
- [59:42]
Bobby Bones
wear a T shirt.
- [59:43]
Victor Cruz
The weather's great, so that helps. But Puerto Rico is just a special place and I think Bad Bunny is going to do a really good job of bringing us into Puerto Rico at halftime of the Super Bowl.
- [59:53]
Matt Castle
Victor, we appreciate the time.
- [59:55]
Victor Cruz
No problem.
- [59:55]
Matt Castle
Yeah, I loved watching you in the league and appreciate your time here.
- [59:58]
Victor Cruz
Thank much you so. Thank you so much, man.
- [59:58]
Bobby Bones
Let's go, Victor.
- [60:03]
Matt Castle
Before we go, I'd like to say something to all of our listeners out there. There is something called the zipper. You familiar with the zipper? Not on the pants.
- [60:11]
Bobby Bones
Oh, the zipper. No, I'm not.
- [60:16]
Matt Castle
Whenever you are merging in traffic.
- [60:18]
Bobby Bones
Okay.
- [60:19]
Matt Castle
And other countries do it way better than we do in America. Yes, it is called the zipper. One in, one go. One in, one go.
- [60:28]
Bobby Bones
They're better on the east coast because of the roundabouts, the interstate.
- [60:33]
Matt Castle
I was watching some bad zipper today.
- [60:35]
Bobby Bones
You weren't feeling it.
- [60:36]
Matt Castle
Well, some people want to be Mother Teresa and let three people go. Just let one. You're not going to get an award for letting three people go. Then some people will get right up on the butt of somebody else and not let a person go.
- [60:46]
Bobby Bones
What's worse? The person that three out?
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Matt Castle
The person letting three out. No, I hate the people because that's worse. Because there's going to be accidents. At least the one with the butt that's up on the butt, that's annoying. You're not a good person. But there's not going to be no accident because no one thinks they can pull out.
- [61:01]
Bobby Bones
I'm on the opposite side of that. I hate the people that won't look at you and just ride the bumper and act like you're not even there. And you're just like, are you serious?
- [61:09]
Matt Castle
I don't like them either.
- [61:10]
Bobby Bones
I want to jump out of the car and beat the living. You know what out of them.
- [61:13]
Matt Castle
But I feel like that's safer than the people that are let in multiples because that second person is like me. Go, gas break. Yes, break. There's something called a zipper. When you're going into traffic or you're letting people in traffic, let one person go.
- [61:24]
Bobby Bones
One person in, one person go. Go.
- [61:27]
Matt Castle
Let one in. You go. The next person let one in, they go. Don't let two in. And don't keep all out. It's just amazing how incompetent people are on the road.
- [61:37]
Bobby Bones
I sometimes will let two people go. I hope that we get into a situation where you're trying. You're trying to come into my lane today and I'm gonna be like, I
- [61:47]
Matt Castle
always admire people that will just stick their car nose out in front. Even if a car's coming.
- [61:51]
Bobby Bones
Oh, yeah. And just like, hey, look, if you hit me, it's on you. I do. I do appreciate the aggressive driving.
- [61:56]
Matt Castle
Yeah, I can admire it. I don't do that.
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Bobby Bones
I don't either. I really don't want to get my car hit or anything like that. I have to deal with that.
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Kevin
Same.
- [62:03]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, I'd just be like, okay, dude, go.
- [62:04]
Matt Castle
So that's what I'll leave people with. Respect the zipper.
- [62:07]
Bobby Bones
Respect the zipper.
- [62:08]
Matt Castle
One in, then you go. One in, then you go. Respect the zipper. That's all. All right, that's it for this week. Matt Castle, God bless you. Kick off Kevin, Brandon Ray and Bobby Bones. We will see you guys next week. Thanks to Victor Cruz for being on with us. Although he did it like three weeks
- [62:25]
Bobby Bones
ago, so, yeah, he wants to come back on this week.
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Matt Castle
Thanks in the past to Victor Cruz. We will see you guys next week. We've had lots to say. Goodbye, everybody. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcast. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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