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Bobby Bones
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Bobby Bones
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. We got lots to say we got lots to say we're glad you're here and we hope you stay Cause we got lots to say yeah, we got lots to say now here's Bobby and Matt. You know what Mr. Castle is. I got online and I said, hey, what would you always want to ask a former NFL player? Because I think at times you played, it's hard for you to know what normal people want to know because you know everything there is to know. Like you know all the insides and outs, right? And I guess I'm in it to a point where not like you are, but I talk about it a lot. I have friends that played. I travel to these organizations, so I probably sometimes don't ask questions that I think people want to know when it comes to the elementary version of football. So I said, hey, send me your questions that you'd want to know from an NFL player.
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Matt Castle
Okay.
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Bobby Bones
And again, these are going to be the most basic, elementary questions. But then I started to go, yeah, I'm interested in this too. So I have like 10. Okay.
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Matt Castle
Okay.
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Bobby Bones
Question number one. Did you get nervous before every game?
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Matt Castle
I'd say yes to some degree, some more than others, for whatever reason, it's usually the opponent. Like when you were going up against the Baltimore Ravens and Ray Lewis is sitting on the other side, you knew that you had to play at a level to be really good that day. It added extra pressure and it was always that feeling before the game. I used to get those pregame Jitters. And I hate that feeling. But it's once you get out on the field and you take that first hit or you take get through that first series that things start to slow down a little bit. But I always get nervous before the game.
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Bobby Bones
What would you tell people about nerves or how to beat nerves?
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Matt Castle
The biggest thing for me was honestly getting into my routine. So when I would get to the stadium, I'd get there early, do some stretching, then I'd go walk out on the field, check where the clocks were on the field, and then I'd have a little routine, just get a little bit of sweat going even before. This is pre. Pregame. And for me, it just kind of started to set my mind up because it was the buildup to the game to get to the actual game and start, start, that was always. I had to be in the sequence and had that process of getting my mind right because by the time the game came around, I was ready to go. And so for me, that was what really helped my nerves. But in terms of nerves in general, it started even the day before because I'm one of those guys that would sometimes chase ghosts. Right. What about if they do this or if we have this called what can I check to to get to a better play? And so you just are rehearsing it and visualizing it in your mind the night before the game. And then once you get to the stadium, it becomes real.
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Bobby Bones
I worked on American Idol for four seasons, and I would work with the contestants a lot about nerves because they would all go, how do you beat your nerves? And I think the number one thing is you don't really defeat your nerves. I think you get to a place where you can understand your nerves. You can actually be grateful. One of the things that I would talk about with them was there are only a few times in life that you get to be nervous about something that could possibly go right. Because a lot of times when you get nervous about something, it's a health scare, it's a family. But think about this. You have earned the right to get to be nervous about something that could possibly go right. And a little bit of that perspective shared helped. And I also think I would say reps of doing it, because the more you do it and it doesn't go right, the more you're not nervous about it not going right because you realize you can bounce back from it pretty easily. For sure you do it right. Well, that's cool. But what about next time if it doesn't go right? How to really get rid of nerves is for it not to go exactly right and you still to be okay. And I would talk to them a lot about that and they really wouldn't want to hear me go now if it doesn't go perfect, you'll understand how you can climb out of these situations. And then we go, yeah, but I want it to go perfect. I'm like, hey, here's the story. It ain't always going to go perfect. It's rarely going to go perfect. It may never go perfect. So it was always reps and understanding that you get to be nervous for something that you have worked hard to do and that you love to do. That was like the macro version of what I would talk to performers about. But it is kind of cool that you get to be nervous about something you love to do.
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Matt Castle
And I think that was the turning point for me in my career because a lot of times it was the fear of failure, of letting your team down, of being embarrassed by a performance because so many people watch and there's so much attention, particularly on the quarterback position because you're running the show out there. And so the switch change for me was I've got to go do this today because this is my job versus I love that I get this opportunity. This is a privilege to go out there. And so I changed that fear into more of I love the fact that I get to go play with my guys. We were ready for this. And so it came more love based and just an appreciation for what I got to do for a living. And it took that fear away from just making that mistake again. You still feel awful when you have it, but like you said, I was able to bounce back a lot quicker and not let that resonate for a long period of time because of that mindset.
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Bobby Bones
Did you ever go to a sports psychologist and were they as in play then as they are now?
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Matt Castle
I did and it was really going from it was. Everybody had a sports psychologist available to them for the organizations that I played for, including New England. And I would talk to them a little bit and they would come into the. They would be available after practice and stuff like that. And early on in my career when I was just trying to hang on and make it and year and year out was a grind because you really were on a year to year contract. But then when I went to New England and Kansas City and I arrived when I stepped in for Brady that year and then I went to Kansas City and it was a completely different organization, new coaching staff, how things operated from A day to day standpoint. And we struggled. We won four games that first year that I was there. So I started to feel that pressure and I knew that I needed someone to help me filter through these feelings and also that anxiety of needing to be the guy. And so I went and met this guy and his name, I believe is Sal Miller. And he wrote a book that I read on my own. I thought this would be great to meet him. And my wife actually got in contact with him, hooked him up. And so we did a few sessions and it was just giving you a different perspective on what you get to do. And he, he describes this idea of it's the fight or flight and the animal kingdom. You'd look at the animal kingdom and you say, you know, you've got your deer and certain, certain animals like that that run for their life, they're scared of every sound. And then you've got. This example would be a lion that's fierce, that's tough, that is going to attack the problem or everybody's fearful of them. So take on that mindset. And so it was just a different perspective to look at things. And I think it helped in many ways because that next year in 2010 was the first year I got voted into the Pro Bowl. So there, there's there. You definitely could see some correlation between success and mindset.
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Bobby Bones
Guys in the locker room are like, why is Castle always growling? No, he's a lion. Yeah, let him do his thing. Question 2. How bad does it actually hurt to get tackled by a linebacker?
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Matt Castle
Depends on how they hit you. Now, I think that you're more susceptible as a quarterback to get hit hard because you're exposed. And when you're throwing and everything that you have to do is you got to keep your eyes downfield, step into your throw. And so when they're a blitzing linebacker, they come untouched and they light you up in the chest. I mean, it can knock. I've had the breath knocked out of me. I felt like I broke my chin. I've had a concussion all from the pocket. And so those, those hurt for sure. Sometimes when you get hit in the back and you get that little whiplash, it's not until the next day you really feel that. But then there's just different areas. I used to get stepped on on the foot from a big linebacker or cleated in the shin. I got a hip pointer one time. Oh, man, that hurts like hell.
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Bobby Bones
See, a hip pointer, much like turf toe, does not feel like it would hurt. However, both really painful, really Painful. They should name them something like mean or like the hip jugular has been ripped out, you know, Seriously, because again, those are very painful injuries, but they sound like soft Disney terms.
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Matt Castle
Oh, I got hit in my tailbone once so hard because I was. I was took off running and I was trying to dodge a defender downfield to kind of cut back in. Didn't see a defensive lineman coming, and he put his face mask on my tailbone. And we don't wear tailbones and hip pads like the kids do. Dude, I thought he broke my tailbone. I could hardly walk for like four days. It was brutal.
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Bobby Bones
Weird question about getting hit. If it's earlier in the game, your adrenaline's pumping, do the hits not hurt as bad solely because the adrenaline's popping 100%?
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Matt Castle
I would agree with that. Because every game that you play in now, the older you get and the more you have an understanding for what's about to take place. Your adrenaline, you can calm it down a little bit, but you have adrenaline every time you step on that field. And so particularly early on, you might get hit and you just hop back up and you're like, okay, that was a really good hit. But you're able to pop up and kind of put it in the back of your mind. As the game wears on and things calm themselves down, the game slows down a little bit for you. Then you start to feel a little bit more. And again, it all depends on how you're hit, where you're hit, all those different aspects that come into play.
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Bobby Bones
Question 3. Do they serve food at halftime?
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Matt Castle
They do. Well, not really food, but they've got, you know, your uncrustables, they've got oranges, they've got protein bars, milkshake. Not really milkshakes, I'd say protein shakes. And they have just kind of snack food more so than actual food.
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Bobby Bones
So more refueling than it is. Like a meal.
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Matt Castle
100%. Because any, any guy will tell you. And you've seen these guys out there, particularly the offensive line, that'll throw down a protein shake or something too much and you just see them barfing all over the field.
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Bobby Bones
Oh, that's funny.
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Matt Castle
It's so nasty.
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Bobby Bones
That's probably why they're doing that then, because they went so hard at it. Oh, yeah, like in the middle, just shoved one down.
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Matt Castle
I had a buddy, Ryan Khalil, I think. I mean, Ryan Lilja, I think it was. That was literally puking in his three point stance. While. While I'm giving the cadence, I'm like, bro, are you okay? Just losing his lunch out there. It was so nasty.
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Bobby Bones
Better that than flu.
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Matt Castle
Better that than flu. I actually had hand, foot and mouth one time. I got it from my kids, and it was.
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Bobby Bones
I'm not familiar with what hand, foot and mouth is.
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Matt Castle
I wasn't either. I think it's a southern thing because, you know, growing up, it was chickenpox. Hand, foot, mouth is this thing that when you say. When I say mouth, you get like blisters all over your tongue, down your throat, and then your hands and feet blister. Look it up.
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Bobby Bones
I'm going right to it because I am from the south and I never had it.
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Matt Castle
I never heard of it. So my kids come home and the doctor diagnosed them with hand, foot and mouth. And I was like, what the hell is this? And so I even. This is before COVID I'm wearing a mask around the house trying not to get it, you know, I'm two weeks left in preseason. So then I go and we're playing a preseason game against the Raiders, and I'm starting to get the chills. I don't feel good. And we had the night game. So I go in, I take a tore at all shot, and I go, and I have to start that game. Well, that night. As I'm going home now, you can start to see these little dots on my hand. I'm going, oh, no. I go in the next day, my throat's sore, all these things. And I tell the doctor I was like, my kids had hand, foot and mouth like two weeks ago. I think I might have it because I'm starting to get little red dots right here. He's like, no, adults. It's really rare in adults. And he's like, you probably have bedbugs next morning. Can't swallow. Blisters everywhere. Now my hands are getting blisters all over. I've got like the Google search engine worst case scenario of hand, foot and mouth.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, you're about to die of cancer or something. Or cat's catch fever or something.
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Matt Castle
And he's like, yeah, you've got hand and foot. And mouth finally gives me something. Well, I give it to three of my linemen and one of my defenses.
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Bobby Bones
No way.
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Matt Castle
Because they didn't let me go home.
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Bobby Bones
It also doesn't sound real.
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Matt Castle
It doesn't sound real. It was a full outbreak on the team because of me and my kids. So I brought and I told them, hey, I've got hand, foot and mouth. Do you want me to come? And they're like, well, you're starting this week in the last preseason game. Why don't you come out to practice? They. I looked. I looked like a hospital patient. I had full sleeves on. It's 98 degrees. I'm wearing gloves on both hands, trying to get through. And I still pass it on to these guys. They were so pissed off at me.
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Bobby Bones
That's not your fault. Because you didn't know. And the team was like, you need to still show up and practice. That's wild.
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Matt Castle
I felt awful.
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Bobby Bones
It's a common, highly contagious viral illness that affects. That affects mostly infants and young children, rarely adults. That's what's crazy. Fever, sore throat, painful mouth sores, small red spots that blister, skin rash on hands, feet, and sometimes buttocks or legs.
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Matt Castle
Thank God I didn't get on the buttocks, but I did lose my fingernails.
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Bobby Bones
And there's no specific treatment?
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Matt Castle
No.
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Bobby Bones
Meaning there isn't something you can put on to make it go away because it's a virus. Just rest, hydration, and it says, whatever you do, don't go into the game.
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Matt Castle
Yeah, I look like wookie. Okay. From something about Mary. It was brutal, bro. So, yeah, so that's. That's something that I had to deal with.
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Bobby Bones
Hand, foot, mouth is crazy.
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- [15:12]
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Bobby Bones
Okay, next up, this is number four of seven. You get to keep your uniforms.
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Matt Castle
You actually have to buy your jerseys and your helmets at the end of the season. You have the option to do that every year.
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Bobby Bones
Can you buy it during the season just to get a new one? What if you trade jerseys with somebody.
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Matt Castle
You know, they're prize that factor now.
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Bobby Bones
Where they wasn't as much of a.
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Matt Castle
Thing, but they, they will charge the player for trading jerseys with another player.
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Bobby Bones
Did that happen as much when you played?
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Matt Castle
No, it started at the tail end probably of my career, where it became something that you saw players go out and consistently do it, where they're seeking out a particular player and trading jerseys. It wasn't as popular when I first came in the league or even through the mid, mid part of my career, but it really started to hit its stride later on.
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Bobby Bones
Were there some players and don't mention any names that you did not like to be on the same team with you did not like?
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Matt Castle
100%. 100%. And a lot of that comes down to where, number one, are you a good teammate? Number two, do I respect you? Do you come out, do your job, and at the same time give great effort day in and day out? Are you one of those guys that is a problem or a cancer in the locker room that not only do you have a beef with whatever's going on, I'm fine. If you're pissed off with a coach, go do it behind closed doors. Don't call them out in front of the entire team. Or do you get in the locker room and one of these guys that just bitch and complaints and you bring those other guys along with you? Because I've had veterans that should know better that just for whatever reason, they're discontent, they're upset, whether it's scheme, whether it's coaching, however it might be. And then they go and rally the troops around this negative energy and feed into these young guys the wrong ideals about what it means to be a professional and a good teammate.
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Bobby Bones
How does a guy who doesn't put in the effort, doesn't put in the work, end up making it to such an elite level? Is it just because he's such an athlete? Naturally, that's a lot of, I mean.
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Matt Castle
A lot of times you overlook character for your abilities and that's, that's what you see a lot of times when you look throughout the league and you'll see these guys get in trouble or some of these issues that you have. But it will be swept under the rug and looked at differently because on Sundays they show up and they'll play their, their butt off. Right? And so you, you do like those guys in a particular sense when you're competing. But when you have to go through an entire season and it's drama filled and it's this, that and the other, it becomes taxing and it wears on you.
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Bobby Bones
I would imagine when you aren't Winning. That's a lot harder to be around.
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Matt Castle
100% when you're winning it. You know, your, your coffee tastes a little bit better in the morning. The breakfast bagels. Oh, gosh, this tastes better. But when you're losing, everybody feels that because there's so much pressure on every organization, every individual, every coach, year in and year out. And when you're on a skid, man, you can feel it day in and day out. And it's just this weird environment when you come in because everybody's just in a bad mood. You've probably been around teammates yourself though, that have. Or people that you've worked with that you go, I thought this guy was going to be great. But they. And you work in an industry. You work in an industry that's probably has a lot of egos and everything else that is very similar to what we do.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah. Katy Perry was the worst.
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Matt Castle
Seriously.
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Bobby Bones
The worst. The literal worst.
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Matt Castle
In in what manner? Just as a human person, how she treated people.
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Bobby Bones
Yes. Yeah. And it was. But she was the highest paid and she was the jewel of that American Idol four seasons that I was on. There was one time. I've never told this story. There was one time and I understand I'm fifth string on that show. Like I know my role, right. And they were paying me seven figures, but it wasn't close to the seven figures. They were paying eight figures. They were paying everybody else because Luke Bryan, a plus guy. Love him, my friend. He's been on this show, right. He was making 10 million-plus. Lionel Richie, greatest dude ever. Does not have to be great because he is a legend. Lionel Richie. I wish I related to him. The kindest guy, Ryan Seacrest, who all those people made over 10 and Seacrest was so great to me. Even though they brought me in not to replace him. They brought me in for if he wasn't able to get back because he was doing live with Kelly and Ryan in New York. We were shooting a lot in la. So they had me in to mentor the contestants. But if he couldn't get back, they would use me in certain places that he would normally use. I even hosted a show once when he was sick and I could see that somebody with less security would go, I don't like a junior varsity version of me on this show. I was never a threat to him. I didn't feel like I was a threat to him. And he didn't feel that way too. In the greatest way. There were times where Ryan would come up to me. I was be fully transparent and Go, hey, let's talk for a minute. But, yeah, what's up? He goes, hey, I know you didn't have much money growing up. I know you have money. Like, do you have people that are taking care of you, watching out for you? Like. Cause this is what happened with me. He did not have to do stuff like, that's amazing. Yeah. Because Ryan's a few years older than I am. And even when I changed agencies, like, I hit up Ryan and I said, hey, what do you think? And he was so generous. He was also, like, on a yacht in cans, but he was so generous with it. And so with Katie, I'll give you one specific example. Once, she was laid everywhere, all the time. I also never thought that I was as big or as important as them on that show because I wasn't paid. Probably the same way in a football locker room where the people that make all the money, they get a lot of the attention, a lot of the resources. We were in Hawaii. I haven't told the story. I think I'm just a little tired. So I'm triggered by everything.
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Matt Castle
Yes. I love it when you're triggered.
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Bobby Bones
So we were in Hawaii, and every year we would go out to the Disney Resort because Disney owned abc, which had Idol on it, so we all worked for Disney. So we would go out and shoot for, like, a week. Because a big part of that season, before the top 10 or 12 was done at that resort, one, to promote the resort. Two, it gave it, like, a Hawaii vibe. And we were doing a bit where they buried me in the sand, and my head was the only thing popping out of the sand. So they had dug this hole, and they were like, okay, get in. And it was some sort of, like, promo. I don't even know why she did this, because it wasn't like Katie and I had a lot of interaction because most people were like, don't. Like, she doesn't want to talk to anybody. Leave her alone. I was like, fine by me. All good. And I remember being in the sand with my head just poking out, and she comes up to me and she starts screaming, you'll never be Ryan. You're never gonna be Ryan C. Curtis.
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Matt Castle
No way.
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Bobby Bones
And I think it's a joke at first, and I'm like, yeah, but also, I don't have any arms or legs.
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Matt Castle
Yeah. To flicker off.
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Bobby Bones
It's literally just my head. I can't even walk. My head's out of the sand. She's like, you'll never be him. Stop trying to be him. And then I realize she's not kidding, but I don't know why, because I did nothing to make her mad. I was already told, just let her do her thing. You know, Sometimes she'd show up hours late, whatever. So I never tried to be friends with her. But somebody, and I will not say who, somebody prominent. Because even after that, I got really thick skin, kind of. I don't care.
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Matt Castle
That would bug me big time.
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Bobby Bones
It bugs somebody else on the show so bad. They pulled her whole team aside and was like, that cannot happen. And nobody told Katie anything on that show. But they were like, that cannot happen. But, yeah, she just. I was. No, there was no reason to do that. But she was screaming at me. She may have been having a bad day, I don't know.
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Matt Castle
But even if you're having the worst day, that's the thing.
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Bobby Bones
I hear you.
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Matt Castle
Why would you attract a human like that that works on the same show as you? That's awful.
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Bobby Bones
It was awful. It was a really bad experience.
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Matt Castle
That speaks volumes.
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Bobby Bones
Really bad experience for me. I. I was just happy that somebody stuck up for me because I wasn't going to do it. I didn't feel like I needed to do it because I. I'll just take it. It's fine. You're not gonna hurt me. I'm fine. But somebody did. Somebody prominent did. And because they saw what was happening. So it also made me feel like I wasn't crazy.
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Matt Castle
Right.
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Bobby Bones
That I wasn't dreaming this scenario sitting there.
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Matt Castle
Am I blacking out because the sun's hitting me wrong?
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Bobby Bones
I'm trapped and I'm.
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Matt Castle
Why is she screaming at me?
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Bobby Bones
Right.
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Matt Castle
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
That's a bad one. That's a. That's probably my worst experience ever.
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Matt Castle
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
In. I would say Hollywood or tv because mostly everybody's really respectful and LA gets the rap of, like, people are weird and they are. But so, I mean, anybody creatives weird or any athlete, you got to be driven to a point where you got to have a screw loose. Right. You just hope it's the right screw. Yeah, that's a bad one. So that was. That's like an example of that. But we got, you know what? Got along fine. I had no choice. I'd have been fired. I had to get along.
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Matt Castle
I would not be able to get along with a person like that. Like, I hold grudges for a little while. It takes me some time to get over. Especially when, like, that's an intentional trying to scar you. I just didn't get your words and hurt you so bad in front of other people, too.
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Bobby Bones
Everybody was around.
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Matt Castle
Yeah, that's the weirdest part.
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Bobby Bones
Entire crew, cameras, everybody. Yeah, I was a little embarrassed.
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Matt Castle
Yeah, I was embarrassed.
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Bobby Bones
Okay, next question.
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Matt Castle
Okay. That was amazing.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah, that's. That whole thing sucked.
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Matt Castle
It wasn't amazing. It was awful, actually.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah. But also amazing because I name dropped.
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Matt Castle
Yes. So good.
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Bobby Bones
Two questions. Can you hear the crowd during the game, and can you hear specific people yelling during the game?
- [25:38]
Matt Castle
Okay. The crowd you can always hear to a certain extent, particularly when you're on the road. The roar of the crowd is so much louder when you're on the offensive side of the ball because they're getting hype. They're trying to. Trying to support the defense. So it is. Can be deafening at times in particular stadiums. And so you've. Your concentration level has to go so much further up because we're on silent count. You're trying to communicate at a much higher decimal. And then when you. It's usually on the road, but you can hear guys when you come over and sit on the sideline, where you're so close to the fans right there, that there's always somebody, you know a little bit chirpy. Some of it is support. Most of the time, if they're getting really chirpy, you know, it's castle, I hope you break your leg. You suck. Castle, this, that, and the other. You know, you hear. Hear them. You're not paying attention to it. It's almost comical because it's you one series, it's somebody else the next series. So they're just. They're waiting for a response. And the worst thing you can do. These guys will. Sometimes. You see it all the time. They respond to them.
- [26:43]
Bobby Bones
Which NBA players especially. Oh, yeah.
- [26:45]
Matt Castle
And it just adds so much fuel to the fire. And then you're just. I was like, why are you escalating this? And having a conversation with somebody that is just trying to get that type of response and incite some kind of emotional response from you to just get out of your game and get into a bad headspace. I just never responded to it.
- [27:06]
Bobby Bones
I think the parallel for me would be responding to the comments when I know somebody is just trying to get at me over and over and over again. And I'm just like, nope, nope, nope, nope. All right, screw it. And I go in. And then they just won. Like, they just won.
- [27:18]
Matt Castle
See, that's. That's why I never had social media when I played, because I'd always sit there and these guys right after the game would go on and look at Their social media and they're just getting murdered based on our performance. And it could be their fault. It could be their fault. But I was like, why are you subjecting yourself to this type of criticism? Because we're all human. You could be the most tough skinned human being ever, but at some point you have a breaking point. And that, that for me, it just would take away from what I need to focus on because I'd get, I'd get invested like you and be like, all right, this is going to go off.
- [27:53]
Bobby Bones
It just takes a trigger day like I had today for me to just go in on somebody. But it's why that pickleball, you know, the big battle was going to happen until the guy jumped out like a little. So, yeah, yeah, social media does that to me. I was watching Benny Blanco talk, he's a big record producer, and he said, I don't read the comments. And most times when people say that, I don't believe them. And I try not to, but I still do sometimes. And he said, I don't read the comments because I don't need validation. Like, I know what I'm doing, I don't need. I was like, that's so powerful.
- [28:25]
Matt Castle
It is.
- [28:26]
Bobby Bones
So every time I click down, I go, do I need the validation? Why am I looking right now? And that clip of Vinny Blanco saying.
- [28:32]
Matt Castle
That reminds you not to trigger.
- [28:35]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, it helped me. Yeah, yeah, it helped me to not even put myself in a position to be triggered.
- [28:40]
Matt Castle
Right. Doug Flutie, my, my rookie year was the one that said there was this awesome article that came out in the Boston Globe about Flutie, his career, what he's been through, all these different things. I said, I asked him, I said, doug, have you read this article? It's a really well written article, really highlights you everything from what you did on the field to what you do off the field with your charity, all these things. He's like, no, I never read it. I was like, never. But this is a positive one. He's like, I don't read positive or negative because every time I read something, it creates an emotional response in me. And I just found like, I'm better off, good, bad or indifferent if I just don't read it. And that way I don't get too high, don't get too low, and it's not gonna impact me whatsoever.
- [29:24]
Bobby Bones
That's great.
- [29:24]
Matt Castle
Yeah, it was great. It was a great piece of advice.
- [29:26]
Bobby Bones
Last question. Did you get mad when you were in a video game and your rating was low?
- [29:33]
Matt Castle
No. You know that's really. It's so interesting now, right? These guys will go in and make a case for themselves about the rating. And I really didn't play that many video games. It was sparingly that you'd catch me playing a video game. And so I didn't really care that much. Now if I was a little insulted. Every now and then when you go in, you're going, wait a minute. My passer rating 31 80. Like, or 70. What happened? I know I had a little bit of down year, but you guys didn't take. Take into consideration the entire aspect of our offensive unit here. But. So, yes, you get maybe a little offended, but I never got worked up over a video game, for goodness sakes. I just always was one of those guys that, how cool is it, growing up playing video games with my brothers and playing with all these guys that I'm actually in a video game, playing in the NFL again? It's one of those wow moments that you realize, dude, this is cool. I'm in a video game.
- [30:33]
Bobby Bones
That is cool.
- [30:34]
Matt Castle
Yeah.
- [30:43]
Bobby Bones
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- [31:20]
Matt Castle
Let's go.
- [31:21]
Bobby Bones
Which are on Amazon prime, which by the way, a little plug. I have a special on Amazon prime right now that is basically about the history of the award show. I'm interviewing Lanny Wilson, Keith Thurman, Brooks and Dunn. And just talking about the history of it. But what's cool is Amazon didn't ask us to do it. We just literally grabbed cameras and went and shot this thing and then said, we made this. And they said, oh, okay, yeah, we like to have it.
- [31:45]
Matt Castle
No way.
- [31:46]
Bobby Bones
I couldn't believe it either.
- [31:47]
Matt Castle
Brilliant. That's the type of business mind that every person needs. But that's because you're also a grinder, the pro.
- [31:54]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, I, I will agree with that. I'm on Grindr a lot. But the, the. What I would warn about that is 96% of the time, it's a no. And I'm okay with that.
- [32:07]
Matt Castle
Oh, really? You've done that, like bits like that before?
- [32:09]
Bobby Bones
Absolutely.
- [32:10]
Matt Castle
Tried to sell them.
- [32:11]
Bobby Bones
People generally don't want stuff from me because they look at me and go, I need that guy. But just like with anything else I've ever done, if I can just get in, I can absolutely sell and then prove my value. And so that's what we did. As soon as I was put on the ACMs and I've been on that show the last three years, I had have a way to like email somebody. Like I know somebody to email, basically.
- [32:32]
Matt Castle
Right.
- [32:33]
Bobby Bones
And so we didn't tell anybody we were doing it. And so we should. We shot it, read, edited it. My buddy Mike wrote a bunch of the historical stuff, called in favors for friends and said, hey, can we interview you? Yeah. And it's on Amazon right now. Because we spent a bunch of time just it honestly, it probably in our mind it was going to be a no, and then we were just going to have this product that we were just going to put out on the Internet and.
- [32:58]
Matt Castle
Right.
- [32:59]
Bobby Bones
But yeah, no, I'm a big. Like you talked about earlier, bet on yourself guy.
- [33:03]
Matt Castle
Congrats.
- [33:03]
Bobby Bones
Because people don't know about the nos. I don't care about that. But people will see all the yeses and go, man, you really got it made. And you're like, if you had any.
- [33:11]
Matt Castle
Idea, if you have any idea, any.
- [33:12]
Bobby Bones
Idea what we're doing.
- [33:13]
Matt Castle
I did all this on my own, hoping that this is the result that would happen.
- [33:17]
Bobby Bones
So this one works. So you can check it out on Amazon Prime. Nah, don't do that. Just search for Bobby Bones. I played golf this past weekend. It was a kind of a work thing. I don't really play golf much at all. Recently I used to play a lot. I mean, this set that we're on now is basically a golf simulator that we turned into a set because I was really into golf, right. And I haven't used it as a golf simulator in probably a year, year and a half. I tore my rotator cuff, messed up my labrum a little bit. So I was on the DL for like 6 months, but was just ready to play golf again. So when it was healthy, it turns out playing golf takes a long time.
- [33:54]
Matt Castle
It does.
- [33:54]
Bobby Bones
It's like four hours. And I don't have four hours anymore, so I kind of stopped playing. I put my energy into pickleball. Love to play pickleball. I can do it in an hour and get a workout in, but I wouldn't play golf this past week. I've never had a hole in one. You?
- [34:05]
Matt Castle
No, never.
- [34:06]
Bobby Bones
And I hit a ball. I have bad vision. My right Eye doesn't work. It has 8% vision.
- [34:11]
Matt Castle
My left eye works really bad.
- [34:13]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, it sucks my whole life.
- [34:14]
Matt Castle
You should wear an eye patch.
- [34:15]
Bobby Bones
I did wear an eye patch as a kid. Got beat up so many times, I stopped wearing it because I hate to get beat up.
- [34:20]
Matt Castle
Sorry, I didn't mean to bring up.
- [34:20]
Bobby Bones
No, no, that's it.
- [34:22]
Matt Castle
I went across the middle and got his eye socket taken out.
- [34:25]
Bobby Bones
I did wear an eye patch. It's sucked because they used to call me a little pirate and beat the crap out of me. Regardless, I can't see. I got. My left eye's pretty good. I wear glasses. Wear big, thick rimmed glasses. And I hit a ball on a par three, like a 155, 160 uphill, and I'm playing with three guys, and I hit it. And a lot of times I need my friends to be my seeing eye dogs. Not all the time, because if I happen to hit it on the middle and the sky is in the perfect. I can see the ball, but a lot of times I can't. So I need seeing eye dogs with me. I hit a ball. It's that perfect click.
- [34:57]
Matt Castle
Yes.
- [34:58]
Bobby Bones
You're like, oh, man, I felt good. I say, can you guys see it? And all three of them go, oh. And they all start going, oh, my God. Jumping up and down.
- [35:07]
Matt Castle
No way.
- [35:08]
Bobby Bones
And I can't. But I can't see anything, right? And they're all going, oh, they're jumping up and down. And I'm thinking, either they talked about this before, and it's the most elaborate prank ever, but they didn't really know each other. It was a work thing. So we were all brought together. So they didn't have the camaraderie to really like, okay, we're going to prank Bobby.
- [35:22]
Matt Castle
So you're saying there's a chance at that point, you're going, okay, I'm putting this together. Yeah. Yeah.
- [35:27]
Bobby Bones
The problem, too, is it went over a hill. So they're jumping up and down, and I'm like, you guys. You guys think that went in? And they're like, there's a great chance. It was rolling right at the hole. And so I'm like, all right. So we get up, and we're driving up the hill, and I'm like, this might be my first ever hole in one. I've had a couple close. Couple closes, but never in. And we get up, and I don't. I don't. I don't see the ball anywhere. And I get. And I roll up beside it. When you Hit that one part of the hill. I see the ball, like two feet off. I know. And it took us to get to the top of it because they also lost it because right where the pin was is where the hill hit.
- [36:04]
Matt Castle
Right.
- [36:04]
Bobby Bones
The ball mark was like three feet right in front of the hole. It either hit the pin and dinked off or just rolled right to the side of it. But it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. One, but two is hilarious that I had to rely on them to all start jumping up and down for me to even believe it was going to be.
- [36:20]
Matt Castle
Well, you kept your head down, you know, like a good golfer.
- [36:22]
Bobby Bones
I kept my head down.
- [36:23]
Matt Castle
Your head down came through.
- [36:25]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I'm not going to get back. I'm going to play golf mildly. But when I play and I play halfway decent, I go, maybe I get a little better. You know what? I ordered. Ordered a mini driver. Have you seen those?
- [36:38]
Matt Castle
I've used one. My buddy has one.
- [36:40]
Bobby Bones
I just ordered one. It's on my front porch right now. I haven't used it yet.
- [36:42]
Matt Castle
They're pretty sweet.
- [36:43]
Bobby Bones
It got here as we were gonna do the show. Now I'm leaving to go to Dallas right after this, so I can't use it. But when I get back around in tomorrow in Dallas.
- [36:54]
Matt Castle
Are you stoked about that?
- [36:55]
Bobby Bones
I don't know.
- [36:57]
Matt Castle
You don't know?
- [36:57]
Bobby Bones
Because if I go out and play, I want everybody to know I'm not a good golfer. I think I shot at 83. Okay.
- [37:03]
Matt Castle
So that's not bad, by the way.
- [37:04]
Bobby Bones
For me, it's really good. I've never broken 80. I've hit 80 a couple times, but I'm not a great golfer, so I'm not going. Wow, look at. Because I have friends that are great golfers. My friend Ben Rector, platinum award artist, shoots 74. My friend George Burge, two number ones in rock country music played at University of Texas. Right.
- [37:25]
Matt Castle
Oh, so he's elite.
- [37:27]
Bobby Bones
Yes.
- [37:27]
Matt Castle
I hate playing with guys elite. I love playing with him, but I hate it because I'm so jealous throughout the round that they are always finding their ball. Always on the fairway. They always find can putt. There's never a drop, drop two, hit three situation. It's always just consistent. And I'm like, oh, I want that.
- [37:44]
Bobby Bones
The thing about George as well, and George has two massive number ones in a row. He just played at Stagecoach with Lana Del Rey, which is super cool. Like, his. His career is really popping now, but when you. When he plays, there's nothing about his game that you're blown away by because he does. There's no big loud pops. There's no 400 yard drives, but nothing is ever off.
- [38:07]
Matt Castle
See, those are. Those are the guys too that you get really frustrated with, that they are unassuming. And you're like, I wonder what he shot. And he's like, I shot a 73.
- [38:16]
Bobby Bones
No. Yeah. We played in Vegas once. He came in Open for me. I did the win for like three nights in a row. And so the win let us play on their course, which is the sickest course ever. Have you played there?
- [38:24]
Matt Castle
It's amazing.
- [38:24]
Bobby Bones
It's awesome, right?
- [38:25]
Matt Castle
Yes. Fantastic.
- [38:26]
Bobby Bones
And they only put like five rounds out at once, so you're never behind people, right? So I'm like, george, let's go play. And he's like the kindest. You would know he's a great golfer by how he acts because he's so supportive. And we just keep scoring. At the end. I think I shot like 85 or 86. I said, what'd you do? He goes, 68. Like, what the heck?
- [38:47]
Matt Castle
And he said it so modestly, like.
- [38:50]
Bobby Bones
It wasn't like talking about it ever.
- [38:52]
Matt Castle
60.
- [38:52]
Bobby Bones
He's like, yeah, 68. So I have my mini driver, which also. She's an actress as well. Mini driver.
- [38:58]
Matt Castle
Mini driver, yes. She's also a great actress.
- [39:00]
Bobby Bones
So if I get one more decent round in, I might play a little bit. I know you and I haven't played yet. We've talked about it.
- [39:05]
Matt Castle
We've been talking about your schedule is.
- [39:07]
Bobby Bones
And also I don't want to go out and be bad and be embarrassed.
- [39:09]
Matt Castle
Why? I'm going to be bad. I told you that. I haven't been playing golf either. I've got five kids.
- [39:13]
Bobby Bones
Your. Your athletic background is, I don't know, I would say, quite different than mine. So your bad is probably no different. Your floor.
- [39:24]
Matt Castle
I look. I look like I can play and then all of a sudden you realize, you know, I might have a few good holes in a row and then eventually I blow up. Maybe it's. I'm just a mental. Don't say it.
- [39:38]
Bobby Bones
Don't say it.
- [39:38]
Matt Castle
I almost did and I stopped myself. Thank you. I appreciate that.
- [39:41]
Bobby Bones
I catch you there. Like you should have caught me instead of saying Katy Perry. But whatever it's in. We're leaving it.
- [39:45]
Matt Castle
You actually went there and if I knew that.
- [39:48]
Bobby Bones
You're good.
- [39:49]
Matt Castle
No, because you had to say that. I mean, it was.
- [39:52]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, yeah.
- [39:52]
Matt Castle
That was a terrible story.
- [39:53]
Bobby Bones
I've never told it because I never Want to be that guy. But looking back, looking back, I wish that was bad. I'm embarrassed by that, not by telling the story about what happened. I was humiliated that day. I don't get humiliated often. I was bad. I felt really. Yeah, I was bad. Bad news.
- [40:18]
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- [40:49]
Bobby Bones
Okay, here's what I have, and I don't want. I don't want this to be humiliating for you.
- [40:53]
Matt Castle
Oh, please let it be.
- [40:54]
Bobby Bones
You don't know what it is, but.
- [40:55]
Matt Castle
You know, I have no idea. But now you went down that path.
- [40:58]
Bobby Bones
So what I'm going to do as I go to Dallas is I will land. We'll rehearse tonight, and if you watch the awards show, that's awesome. Reba will be hosting. I'll be on multiple times in the crowd, probably talking with people. They kind of just tell me to go do my thing, which is a fun place to be because that means they trust me to just go improv.
- [41:16]
Matt Castle
Do you like that?
- [41:17]
Bobby Bones
Yes.
- [41:17]
Matt Castle
Like, no direction. Just let me do my thing.
- [41:20]
Bobby Bones
Yes.
- [41:20]
Matt Castle
Because you have enough relationships in this.
- [41:22]
Bobby Bones
That's why. That's.
- [41:23]
Matt Castle
Which makes it simple for you and it sounds conversational. Correct?
- [41:27]
Bobby Bones
Yes. I. I like no direction as long as I know what the general direction is supposed to be.
- [41:33]
Matt Castle
Got it.
- [41:34]
Bobby Bones
Because I want. I want to know what the expectation is. I want to do a good job. But if they said, hey, you go do whatever you want, that'd be awesome, too. But, yeah, I do. I like that they trust me. I think that's what I like.
- [41:43]
Matt Castle
Do they have the producer in your ear screaming at you ever about, you've got no. One minute.
- [41:49]
Bobby Bones
They. In some shows. My show on Nat Geo, which is on Amazon now, called Breaking Bobby Bones, I had a producer in my ear for safety reasons.
- [41:57]
Matt Castle
Okay.
- [41:58]
Bobby Bones
Because I was doing I Got lit on Fire one show. I got thrown. So, yes, there'd be. And I did the NFL draft a couple of years ago, I had a producer in my ear. And that's all for timing reasons.
- [42:09]
Matt Castle
Right. Because when I work with NBC on college football, because we are on the field. So they're like, we've got two minutes here, and we've got usually two to Three people out on the field at any given time. So they're in my ear, especially if I go third. Hey, 30 seconds, Cass.
- [42:25]
Bobby Bones
Third. Suck 15, because why don't you eat your time?
- [42:28]
Matt Castle
And I've literally said, yes, maybe the guy's name and a little bit about them. And they're like, we got to go to commercial.
- [42:34]
Bobby Bones
I was like, oh, my God, I'm not done with my thigh. Exactly.
- [42:36]
Matt Castle
Let me Finished my.
- [42:37]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, that's the most annoying.
- [42:38]
Matt Castle
Oh, dude. And it's just. It is disturbing and disruptive all at the same time, because you're trying to keep your train of thought, and it is such a difficult thing to be hearing your countdown, and then you're trying not to speed up and sound rushed and everything else. It's crazy. It's such a craft.
- [42:54]
Bobby Bones
Mostly for you. I'm annoyed when they make you go third because that means you're watching the other two guys, that you're all professionals. But when they start to go long, you're going, oh, you're eating my time. Eat my time.
- [43:03]
Matt Castle
I'm counting it down.
- [43:04]
Bobby Bones
You're eating my time.
- [43:04]
Matt Castle
I'm for sure it's happened. I'm sure I've been the one that's gone first and there's thinking the same thing. But we all think the same thing. Because when they go a little bit longer and you're sitting there going, oh, man, I got to cut out, like, three sentences. I'm crunched. How am I going to convey a point that sounds somewhat articulate, intelligent, and makes sense? Oh, it's so tough.
- [43:25]
Bobby Bones
First world problems. But so I go down. I'll rehearse tonight, and then tomorrow night, I am hosting a gala for Brooks and Dunn, very famous country duo. If you don't know country music, as big as it gets in country music, they have boots good and boogie. Mai Maria Maimarie, Brand new man. I am really good friends with the lead singer, Ronnie Dunn. Friends is that he's 70, so it's not like we're playing a bunch of pickleball in the backyard, but love him. Like, we'll have dinners together, which is crazy, because, like, you talk about video game. Like, for me to be friends with the lead singer of Brooks and Dunn, Ronnie Dunn, legend. That's crazy.
- [44:00]
Matt Castle
Right?
- [44:00]
Bobby Bones
Right. So I know them, and Ronnie gave me one of his old jackets from the 90s. I was like, I want to wear one of your jackets.
- [44:05]
Matt Castle
That's cool.
- [44:06]
Bobby Bones
At the gala. So he gave me one, and I went to their manager, who I know very well. I Said, hey, when I come out, I'm gonna roast them. Like, I know them. I'm gonna roast us. And he says to me, yeah? He says, you won't say anything worse than I say to them. And I say, all right, cool. I just wanted you to know, so it's not a surprise. He said, but you know the line. And I said, no, I don't know the line. Right? Like, I generally don't know the line to walk up to. Like, I go. I fall over the line sometimes and have to back up. I know when to back up, but I don't know the line. And he's like, just know the line. So I've been in the joke writing. This. This last couple weeks has been joke writing season for me again.
- [44:45]
Matt Castle
Okay.
- [44:45]
Bobby Bones
When I was touring a lot, doing stand up, I live in it. I write notes. So I wrote a bunch of roast jokes about Brooks and Dunn, but at the same time, I like to write about other people just to kind of get me in. So I have a whole bunch of Matt Castle roast jokes.
- [44:58]
Matt Castle
Yeah.
- [44:58]
Bobby Bones
Now the question's gonna be, are you gonna be offended by any of this?
- [45:02]
Matt Castle
Not at all. Not. I've probably heard most of them anyway. I just told you. I can hear the fans talking smack to me all the time.
- [45:09]
Bobby Bones
I hear you.
- [45:10]
Matt Castle
All right?
- [45:10]
Bobby Bones
Don't forget, I'm your friend.
- [45:12]
Matt Castle
I'm your friend, regardless of how bad this hurts.
- [45:14]
Bobby Bones
I'm your friend, and you will not call me Katy Perry when this is over. I'm your friend.
- [45:21]
Matt Castle
I'm gonna bury you in the sand.
- [45:23]
Bobby Bones
Yes. I would only roast somebody that I truly cared about. Okay. And I've not practiced on anybody. The hard things about doing one off shows are you can't practice the material. So even with Brooks and Dunn, all the jokes I've written for them, I'll do it once. 60% of it'll be great. 10% will be good. There'll be a couple that just don't go over well. But. But I have no idea what's going to work because I've never done it.
- [45:44]
Matt Castle
Are you using the same principle of there's a line here or no.
- [45:47]
Bobby Bones
With you?
- [45:48]
Matt Castle
No, I hope not. I want you to go so far over it.
- [45:50]
Bobby Bones
Okay. Okay. So I have.
- [45:52]
Matt Castle
I can't wait to write jokes for you next week.
- [45:54]
Bobby Bones
Okay, Here we go. Okay.
- [45:56]
Matt Castle
So.
- [45:57]
Bobby Bones
Well, just. You're sitting at a table, right? Matt Castle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Say a couple things. Hey, play. Da, da, da. Every coach loved him. Every team gave him a chance. Every fan said, wait, who's Starting today. But they're also good ones, too, right? Like Matt. Matt. That is a. Matt's a great guy. Matt's so nice. Even his interceptions apologized.
- [46:18]
Matt Castle
Oh, they did. You know what? I. I always looked at interceptions as just another completion.
- [46:23]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. It's a yes.
- [46:24]
Matt Castle
Yeah.
- [46:24]
Bobby Bones
Even you're. They're like, I'm sorry.
- [46:25]
Matt Castle
You got to stay positive.
- [46:26]
Bobby Bones
If you say Matt Castle into a mirror three times, a backup quarterback appears behind you and asks for a tryout.
- [46:36]
Matt Castle
That's actually really good. That's really good.
- [46:38]
Bobby Bones
That's based on, like, bloody marriage. You guys have bloody Mary spin around Bloody Mary. We say, matt Castle. I'd like a tryout. Okay. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Yes. Matt's the only guy who can meticulously break down an NFL defense, but also gets really confused by TikTok. What's TikTok? How do I do TikTok?
- [46:56]
Matt Castle
I really am confused by TikTok. Just scroll.
- [46:59]
Bobby Bones
You know, you've had a weird career when the words Tom Brady got hurt are the reason you're famous. No, see, I don't feel bad, but I still. It's like I'm looking at you to make sure you're not.
- [47:12]
Matt Castle
You're not o. Because the funniest part about everybody is, like, how many seasons did you play? Yeah, I only remember you from the Patriots. Yeah, I get it.
- [47:21]
Bobby Bones
Our podcast is a perfect combo. I bring the hot takes, and Matt brings the vague memory of starting in the league when flip phones were still cool. Thank you.
- [47:32]
Matt Castle
I used to have a flip phone too.
- [47:33]
Bobby Bones
Some of these are better than others. Matt once played quarterback in Dallas, Buffalo, and Kansas City. At this point, I think he was just collecting zip codes like he's playing Pokemon Go. So if you knew that game, you need to travel. Yeah, you probably gotta have it. There you go. When Matt talks about complex offenses on the podcast, I nod like I get it, but honestly, I'm still stuck on. Wait, you never really started a single college game. All right, three more. I once told Matt he should write a book about his NFL journey. He said he's thinking about it. I offered the title. Right place, right time, right clipboard. All right, all right. I got two more. Matt didn't really play football. He just loitered near a football field until someone got injured.
- [48:18]
Matt Castle
It was perfect. Great. That's exactly right. Sometimes you gotta see your opportunity and seize it.
- [48:24]
Bobby Bones
One more, one more. As a quarterback, Matt was like a fire extinguisher, only used in emergency.
- [48:35]
Matt Castle
Oh, brought the heat a little heated over there. Brought the Heated.
- [48:39]
Bobby Bones
Okay, okay, okay, look, here's what I.
- [48:40]
Matt Castle
I, I got more. I got.
- [48:42]
Bobby Bones
No, no, I wrote something for you to say to me. Here you go.
- [48:44]
Matt Castle
Oh, I get to read yours?
- [48:45]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, you can. You can read some about me just so. Just so I don't feel as bad. This is me making guilt jokes about.
- [48:50]
Matt Castle
Me, but this is you making guilt jokes about yourself.
- [48:53]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. Just so I also, like, I. I should feel bad too. Okay, go ahead.
- [48:56]
Matt Castle
Okay. Bobby Bones looks like a youth pastor who peaked when he got verified on Instagram.
- [49:02]
Bobby Bones
Thank you.
- [49:03]
Matt Castle
Yes. Bobby's so awkward in person, even Siri tries to walk away.
- [49:09]
Bobby Bones
Thank you.
- [49:10]
Matt Castle
If insecurity were a sport, Bobby Bones would be the Tom Brady of it. And I've seen that at the commissioner's dinner.
- [49:19]
Bobby Bones
Thank you. Thank you.
- [49:20]
Matt Castle
He acts like he doesn't care what people think, but checks his podcast reviews like their EKG results. Yes, yes, yes. Bobby.
- [49:30]
Bobby Bones
I'm starting to hate it. I start to get mad at him even though I wrote them.
- [49:33]
Matt Castle
You wrote them?
- [49:33]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, go ahead.
- [49:34]
Matt Castle
Yeah. You just did this to make me feel better. I love the fact that you wrote I felt guilty. Yeah, I wrote guilty.
- [49:41]
Bobby Bones
Yes. I don't want. I don't want him to cry. I need to hand him some material.
- [49:45]
Matt Castle
Okay. Bobby grew up so poor. He didn't have a nightlight growing up. He just left his fridge open and stared at hope. Deep. That's super deep.
- [49:59]
Bobby Bones
How many more are there?
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Matt Castle
One more.
- [50:01]
Bobby Bones
Okay, go ahead.
- [50:02]
Matt Castle
Bobby hosts a national radio show, Wright's bestsellers, and he wins Dancing with the Stars despite moving like a Madden created player stuck on glitch mode.
- [50:13]
Bobby Bones
Thank you.
- [50:14]
Matt Castle
Yes.
- [50:15]
Bobby Bones
See, but now I don't feel as bad because I. You get some shots in on me too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [50:20]
Matt Castle
I took those shots for sure.
- [50:21]
Bobby Bones
Thank you. All right.
- [50:22]
Matt Castle
Where's Katy Perry when you need. Exactly.
- [50:26]
Bobby Bones
Yeah, hers wasn't roast. Hers was like.
- [50:29]
Matt Castle
Hers was hurtful.
- [50:30]
Bobby Bones
Yeah. Hers was like furnace.
- [50:31]
Matt Castle
Just. If that's my roast that I get to do, comparatively speaking than that roast that I saw with my buddy Tom Brady, I'm totally fine with that. Thank you. Thank you. I enjoyed every minute of that.
- [50:42]
Bobby Bones
Thank you all for listening. Please share with your friends that you listen to the show. It help us so much. He's Matt Castle. I'm Bobby Villains. That's kickoff. Kevin and Reed rest in peace. No longer with us.
- [50:52]
Matt Castle
However, Rip.
- [50:53]
Bobby Bones
Fun fact about Reed, the NFL is hiring Reed to do our video videos now from away. Because we. There are other people were doing it.
- [51:02]
Matt Castle
Yeah.
- [51:02]
Bobby Bones
And they did a fine job, but now we haven't. So Reed's gonna be at home doing that. But our new now director of video is Brandon Ray.
- [51:10]
Matt Castle
Brandon.
- [51:11]
Bobby Bones
So thank you guys for listening, and we will see you guys next time on Lots to say Peace. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcast. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You're listening to an iHeart podcast.