Lots to Say: NFL Power Rankings and Super Bowl Champion Tyann Mathieu!

Summary

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The Bobby Bones Show — “Lots to Say: NFL Power Rankings and Super Bowl Champion Tyrann Mathieu!”

Date: November 19, 2025
Hosts: Bobby Bones (A), Matt Cassel (B)
Special Guest: Tyrann Mathieu (C)

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Episode Overview

This episode features a spirited breakdown of the NFL’s current balance of power, fresh weekly power rankings from Bobby and Matt, and an in-depth interview with Super Bowl champion and LSU legend Tyrann Mathieu. The hosts dive into quarterback performances, divisional shakeups, undiscussed NFL controversies, and more, all punctuated by their trademark humor and candid banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Show Open: Nicknames, Injuries, and Life Updates

• Bobby opens with a producer joke about Tyrann Mathieu's “Honey Badger” nickname, revealing Mathieu’s own mixed feelings on it after two decades.
  • “He doesn't love being called Honey Badger… I get it. It's like if everyone called me Jumbo Crotch.” — Bobby ([02:54–03:28])
• Matt and Bobby swap updates: Bobby’s ankle boot woes and Matt’s family hibachi dinner antics, with much hilarity about failed mouth catches and being outperformed by his kids ([03:40–05:58]).

2. Broadcast Careers and ESPN Rumors ([06:10–07:31])

• Bobby's name surfaced as a potential successor for ESPN's Paul Finebaum. He gives a shoutout to Matt, reflecting on how their partnership started after a “sixth interview."
  • “You made me interview six times for this show…” — Matt ([06:38])

3. NFL Power Rankings: Bobby’s Top Six ([07:51–17:21])

Bobby’s Rankings:

1. Rams: “Freaking awesome. Matthew Stafford is still that dude.” ([16:30])
2. Eagles: “Their offense sucks but their defense is freaking elite…” ([14:08])
3. Broncos: “Their defense is better than New England’s, fewer holes.” ([12:32])
4. Chiefs: “I don’t give up easy… if they get to the playoffs, they win the whole thing.” ([10:54])
5. Patriots: “Drake May is playing MVP caliber ball, but I can’t put a second year quarterback much higher.” ([09:16])
6. Honorable Mention: Colts ([15:32])

• Ongoing debate about young quarterbacks, reliability in playoffs, and why Bobby prioritizes playoff potential versus regular season performance.
  • “It’s hard for me to trust a second-year quarterback to go deep in the playoffs.” — Bobby ([08:13])
  • “You’re not even going to give Drake May any credit?” — Matt ([13:35])

4. Myles Garrett’s Dominance on a Losing Team ([21:23–24:42])

• Matt argues Myles Garrett may be the best defensive player ever, lamenting his “generational talent” is being squandered on a bad team.
  • “When you watch him and his pure dominance... he is such a generational talent.” — Matt ([21:23])
• The crew draws player-history parallels (Archie Manning, Barry Sanders), with Bobby’s “assistant” (AI, possibly unwitting meta joke) chiming in with research.
  • “So you’ve got these two guys… both playing at an elite level on teams that didn’t give them the platform to really rack up the wins or the trophies.” — Bobby’s “assistant” ([24:01])

5. NFL Spitting Controversies ([25:41–29:41])

• Jamar Chase’s $448,000 fine for spitting leads to a wider discussion on loathsome on-field spitting incidents and historical examples.
  • “Spitting on someone is about the least humane thing you can do, 100%.” — Bobby ([27:45])
  • On vigilante justice: “Mostly I would disagree… but you’re right, spitting is a different level.” — Bobby ([28:25])

6. Division Power Swings? Patriots and Broncos’ Emergence ([30:08–31:41])

• Matt floats the idea of a “power surge” in the AFC East and West, noting the Patriots and Broncos’ rise to challenge traditional division dominators.
  • Bobby (skeptical): “You guys are both such homers, it’s crazy... Not even a full season. They didn’t even call guard!” ([30:36])

7. Personal Stories: Signing and Retiring from the NFL ([31:51–33:44])

• Matt describes retiring as a Detroit Lion (!) and shares inside perspectives on legendary QBs (Matthew Stafford).
  • “I was the veteran backup and Stafford never came off the field!” — Matt ([32:36])

8. Weekend Preview & Game Picks ([34:05–38:17])

Top matchups:

• Colts @ Chiefs: Both pick Chiefs, but Matt leaves the door open for an Indy upset.
• Bucs @ Rams: Matt backs Rams; Bobby predicts Bucs in a “do or die” game, rationalizing with hope for Baker Mayfield.
• Steelers @ Bears: Matt chooses Steelers (assuming Rodgers plays); Bobby rides with Bears and their “hot hand.”
  • “I got a feeling you’re picking the Steelers. I’m going to pick the Bears, because, I dunno, they just win.” — Bobby ([37:17])

9. Dallas Cowboys: Dak Prescott and Receiving Corps ([60:10–64:45])

• Discussion on Dak’s stellar 21:6 TD:INT season, George Pickens’ impact, and how CeeDee Lamb’s presence ‘manages the crazy’ among receivers.
  • “He needs to be in a program that can manage his crazy.” — Bobby, on Pickens ([61:09])
• Playoff path calculation (ten wins needed), skepticism about Cowboys’ hopes.

10. Quarterback Circumstances: Sam Darnold & Shadour Sanders ([65:16–71:23])

• Matt and Bobby discuss Sam Darnold’s struggle to shed his “not big game winner” narrative and root for him post-Jets/Panthers.
• Extensive backup QB talk: practice rep realities, why late-season insertions are especially unfair to backups like Shadour, and how offensive cadence impacts performance.
  • “You don’t get your cadence, everything making the calls at the line… it’s set up for failure.” — Matt ([69:06])

11. Arkansas Coaching Search: Bobby as an “Insider” ([71:23–75:51])

• Bobby reveals multiple Arkansas coaching candidates have called him personally for insights but stays tight-lipped.
  • “I am totally keeping everything confidential because they called me as a human being, not… to share their business.” — Bobby ([74:04])
• Debunks local “insider” reporting — “People have no idea.”

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Featured Interview: Tyrann Mathieu (Super Bowl Champion, LSU Legend) ([43:04–57:01])

• Retirement Reflections: Not many teams called to lure him back; most calls are about coaching, but he’s “not too fond of that schedule.”
  • “I don't want to hold on to this football thing forever. So I’m looking forward to what’s next for me.” — Mathieu ([43:38])
  • On walking away: “To be able to walk off the field on my own two feet, in my right mind… that’s a blessing.” ([44:16])
• Identity & Transition: Talks adjusting to retirement, the challenge of filling the void after a life “since 4–5 years old” dedicated to football.
• LSU Legacy: “It was one of my greatest honors as a Louisianan, to represent LSU.” ([46:12])
• Heisman Year Motivation: Determined to prove he was more than a gadget or nickel player, using adversity and perceived doubts to fuel an incredible sophomore campaign.
  • “I just remember going into that season, man, with a chip on my shoulder…” ([47:00])
• Draft Experience: Expected the 49ers to take him, but they drafted his teammate Eric Reid instead.
  • “That kind of stung a little bit… two more rounds to hear my name called.” ([48:34])
• Early NFL Adversity: Knee injuries taught him humility and reinforced the importance of his role off the field and within the locker room.
• Chiefs Era & Defensive Leadership: Chiefs pitched him as their ‘defensive quarterback’; revels in finally leading a defense as its “alpha dog.”
  • On Spagnuolo: “If I was to ever get in the Hall of Fame, Spags would be a big reason why… he gave me the keys to the car.” ([52:19])
• Podcast & Giving Back: Talks about his new show “In the Bayou” and the importance of being a positive voice in Louisiana.
• Returning Home to New Orleans: Emotional about finishing his career where it all started, especially after his early reputation as someone who “needed to get away from Louisiana.”
• LSU Mount Rushmore: Billy Cannon, Joe Burrow, Jayden Daniels, and Patrick Peterson.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamp Highlights

• On the “Honey Badger” nickname:
  “He doesn't love being called Honey Badger… I get it. It's like if everyone called me Jumbo Crotch.” (Bobby, [02:54])
• On trusting young QBs:
  “It’s hard for me to trust a second-year quarterback to go deep in the playoffs.” (Bobby, [08:13])
• On Myles Garrett's greatness:
  “When you watch him in his pure dominance… he is such a generational talent and the way he plays the game.” (Matt, [21:23])
• On player spitting incidents:
  “Spitting on someone is about the least humane thing you can do, 100%.” (Bobby, [27:45])
• Tyrann Mathieu on retirement:
  “I don’t want to hold on to this football thing forever. So I’m looking forward to what’s next for me.” ([43:38])
• Tyrann Mathieu on being LSU’s pride:
  “It was one of my greatest honors… as a Louisianan, to represent LSU.” ([46:12])
• On leading the Chiefs’ defense:
  “When I went to Kansas City… this was my defense. I was going to be the alpha dog. I was going to be top voice in the room.” (Mathieu, [50:59])
• On coaching rumors and Arkansas insiders:
  “I am totally keeping everything confidential because they called me as a human being, not… to share their business.” (Bobby, [74:04])

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Memorable Moments

• Self-Aware Homers: Bobby needles both Matt and Kevin for being “Patriots homers”, especially over claims of an AFC power shift ([31:21]).
• AI “Assistant” Guest Appearance: Bobby uses his “assistant” for quick stats and player parallels, to everyone’s amusement ([23:59–24:42]).
• Playoff Math for Dallas: Calculating Cowboys’ playoff odds with tongue-in-cheek pessimism, only to conclude “seven wins is not going to do it” ([64:05]).
• Insider Humor: Bobby calling out fake Arkansas “insiders” and keeping real coach conversations on lockdown ([74:04]).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Banter and Injury/Nickname: [02:30–06:10]
• Bobby’s ESPN Rumor: [06:10–07:31]
• NFL Power Rankings Discussion: [07:51–17:21]
• Myles Garrett Segment: [21:23–24:42]
• Spitting in the NFL: [25:41–29:41]
• Division “Power Shift”: [30:08–31:41]
• Weekend Game Picks: [34:05–38:17]
• Tyrann Mathieu Interview: [43:04–57:01]
• Cowboys/Receiving Corps: [60:10–64:45]
• Sam Darnold/Shadour Sanders QB Talk: [65:16–71:23]
• Arkansas Coaching Search: [71:23–75:51]

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Tone & Style

Casual, quick-witted, at times irreverent but always lively. The hosts blend firsthand player experience with fan-style emotion, weaving between analytical arguments and inside jokes ("belt to butt" for blowout games, or patenting “Arkansas Minute” for multi-minute Arkansas talks). Interviews are respectful, insightful, and conversational, with mutual respect and genuine appreciation for guest stories and candor.

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Got lots to say yeah we got lots to say. Now here's Bobby and Matt. Hey, what's up everybody? We have Tyron Matthew coming up in a little bit, which he's Not Honey Badger. Kevin, you're the producer. He is the Honey Badger.

[B]

He is, he is.

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But he doesn't love being called Honey Badger. Yeah. Which I never knew.

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I didn't either.

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It's a pretty cool nickname. Yeah. Unless it's yours. And then for over, like, 20 years, people only know you as Honey Badger then I guess I can get that.

[B]

No, but what a great name. I mean, ferocious animal, a little bit undersized. Nobody's going to mess with you. I mean, it fit the profile pretty well.

[A]

I get it's been a long time, but I've had the same nickname for a long time. So I get being annoyed with Jumbo Crotch. Like, that's what they call me. That's why I stopped calling you. Yeah, to the point where I didn't want to hear that anymore so much. Like Honey Badger. I get it.

[B]

You're embarrassed more by it than anything else. Right. It's like, it's hard to wear swim shorts. It's hard to go anywhere. It's hard to walk. Right. That's probably the wear and tear on your ankle. Probably came from the weight of it.

[A]

I'm still in a stupid boot. Man, this boot. This boot sucks. I can't put any pressure on my ankle yet. I got another week before I can do any weight bearing, but it really doesn't fit my crutch because the boot is so large. You ever been in a boot like this?

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Oh, a hundred percent. And it's the worst. And over time. How bad does it smell? Cause normally when they cut the cast.

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Off, there was definitely a woo.

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Oh, yes.

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Yeah. This I take on and off. I have compression socks that I wear, but it's just so bruised that I think that's what hurts more than anything right now is my. Basically from the bottom of my shin all the way to probably the edges, like, the beginnings of my toes, it's just so bruised. And I feel like this is the worst ever. But this is like the 53rd hardest surgery on your leg. This is not even hard surgery.

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And I'm like, no, it's terrible.

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And I'm like, oh, my God.

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Every surgery is terrible. Do you sleep with your leg elevated?

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I did. My wife bought me one of those pillows that has, like, a crack in it. Yeah, a lifted crack is how I was going to say it. But yes, a slope. And I was doing that for a while, but the doctor's like, you can now do it normal, but it's fine. I don't even talk about it because it's not A big deal.

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Are your toes black and blue yet?

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They are not.

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That's the coolest part.

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But it's just like I sleep and this is what my foot feels like.

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Oh, yeah. You feel your heart in your foot the entire time.

[A]

Crazy. So I'm sorry, that's what's up. That's my update. Your update? You went to hibachi?

[B]

I went to hibachi last night, dude. I have never had a bad meal. Watch, the next time I go, I get food poisoning. I'm totally sick. But. But my kids love it. And they.

[A]

Hibachi rocks.

[B]

Yeah. They are literally giggling the entire time. Cause the guy's coming in, doing his show. Funny, squirting my kid. And I'll tell you what. Great meal. And the flavor profiles.

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I tend to fill up on rice, though.

[B]

Oh, a hundred percent.

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Way more than I should. Because that's what they give you first. And you're starving. I tend to eat way too much rice.

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I eat the whole thing.

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I know, it's good.

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It's good.

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By the time the meat comes, you're already 85% full.

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Yeah, you just gotta keep stuffing yourself. You don't feel good leaving, but at the end of the day, you're completely satisfied.

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I like. I still like it when they throw the thing into the hat or the pocket. Like all the old tricks they were throw.

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Throwing the rice, trying to catch it in the mouth. I missed mine. I went way too much tongue outside the mouth. Oh, you.

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You missed.

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I miss every. Everybody in my family. My 8 year old, my 10 year old, my 12 year old, all catch it. I'm like, oh, I got this.

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Boom.

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Blocked it with my own tongue. Terrible.

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You probably ran the route too short.

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I sure did. Sure did. Well, I don't know what it was. I just. Great defense on my own part. So embarrassing.

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I'm not going to espn.

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What happened?

[A]

Oh, oh, thanks for asking. So there was an article in Front Office Sports, which is a big industry thing, and they listed 11 potential successors to take over at ESPN for Paul Feinbaum.

[B]

Wow.

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And I was one of them. They named.

[B]

Let's go. So you guys are in contract negotiations right now?

[A]

We're not, but we did get mentioned. Our show did get mentioned here. I just wanted to give you a shout out because without you.

[B]

That's not true. You made me interview six times for this show. You didn't want me to first. Two candidates definitely went by the wayside. Finally. After the sex interview. Absolutely. Stuck with this guy.

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Says Bobby Bones has some sports jobs, hosting a Weekly NFL podcast with Matt Castle. Let's go in a case of filling in for the Rich Eisen Show. But anyway, you got. Got a little name check in the office.

[B]

But I think part of it, too, is when you fill in for Rich Eisen, you crush. So, I mean, that's a. I tried.

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To get you to. I tried to get you to come out with me, and you were like, I can't.

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No, I said, I. I can't.

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You know, you were like, I'll show up for an hour. And I was like, well, no, if you're gonna fly all the way out there to the California.

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Yeah, but I still came on.

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Yeah, no, you came on as a guest. It was great. It actually won an Emmy.

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No, it did not.

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No, I didn't.

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I'm just kidding.

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Sorry. You don't get an Emmy for one.

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For one.

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One.

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One Zoom.

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One Zoom. Guest talking about Larry as a. Going to the restroom on the sideline.

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Well, what do you want to talk about? Because I'm going to let you go first. You can go to your notes down there. What? An active NFL week. And I don't know what you have, but I've got a few things I'd like to discuss. So I'm curious as. Can you read your notes?

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Why don't you start? Because I'm still trying to find my notes.

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All right, I'll go with my power rankings. My power ratings this week at number five, the Patriots at nine and two. Only at number five.

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Only at number five.

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Yes.

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Why?

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Still too young at quarterback? It's hard.

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Still too young. Dude, have you watched him play?

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It's. It's hard for me to have trust in. And this is going to happen again later on the list. It's hard for me to have trust in a second year quarterback to go deep into the playoffs. Right now we're talking regular season. And you know his nickname. You know. You know your boy's nickname. Kevin Drake, Man. You know his nickname?

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The Savior.

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No, the schedule.

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Okay. Oh, pump your breaks. We're still talking about this after the Bucks.

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I know. I agree. I'm just saying that's his nickname.

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Who gave him that?

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Is that you? I didn't. No, I just. I just heard it. Um, so. But they are number five. Here's who they have coming up. The Bengals.

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Yep.

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What do you have over there? No, I'm telling Castle to check his phone. It's easier. Oh, Matt's, like, trying to find every. He's, like, digging.

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There's 50 sheets over here. I can't find anything.

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Kevin, why don't you walk over and just hand it to him? I can print him another one, but I'm saying they're on his phone. He acts like these headphones on his head have him chained to the chair.

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You literally can't get up. Not out of this chair. I'm so comfortable right now. Okay, sorry. Go ahead. Okay.

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He's tethered with with the leather to this chair. Okay. Number five, the Patriots at nine and two. The only reason they're not a hire is because I don't trust them deeper into the playoffs because I think they still have some holes. I think they're doing a great job at masking their holes and I think Drake May is playing MVP caliber ball, but I can't put a second year quarterback much higher. I think the Broncos have better defenses also. You can. The Broncos are going to pop up in a second too.

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Oh, Broncos.

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I think the Broncos have better defenses. Patriots do. But that's. Bo Nix is also a second year guy. So I'll get to the Broncos. So before you say hypocrite when I say the Broncos later because they also have a second year quarterback, I'm telling you I'm eight miling myself and telling you what's about to happen and how you're going to come at me.

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Yeah, I'm going to probably still come at you. Go ahead. So who's your next pick?

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Number five, The Patriots at nine and two.

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By the way.

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They have the Bengals. They should win that. They have the Giants. They should win that. Bills toss up Ravens, toss up jets and Dolphins. They should win those two. They should, evenly speaking go four and two on the way out.

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Yeah, that's hopefully the worst that they go on the way out.

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Yeah, I think that's pretty freaking awesome. That's incredible For a first year variable.

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Team, first year variable, second year quarterback just completely turned it all around. Unbelievable.

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And again, we are giving them a couple wins, but I think they'll beat the Bengals, the Giants, the jets and the Dolphins to go four or excuse me, to go 13 and four.

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13 and four.

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Heck. To go.

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How many games did they last year?

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4 to go 12 and 5 based on what they were. The hand they were given.

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Right.

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That's awesome. So Patriots at five right now.

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Okay.

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At number four, the Chiefs five. Five. Oh my.

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Oh, now you're. What are you doing?

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What do you mean?

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I mean I can understand winning the Super Bowl. I could understand if it was like two weeks from now and they're now back on track. All these things come into place right now. Number four.

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Yeah, here's the thing on me. I don't give up easy. So at number four, the Chiefs at five and five, they should have won that game. They didn't. The Broncos, they heck of a defense. Patrick Mahomes was sacked every time he looked up. It was crazy.

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It was unbelievable.

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It was unbelievable the way that the.

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Broncos come off the edge and they only really rushed four people the entire night. I mean, they came with some subtle blitz late in the game. They came off the edge and got a sack. But I mean it was four, four people disrupting and they're able to put more people into coverage. I mean, and they don't have certain. They don't even have certain.

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They don't even have the defensive player.

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Of the year, the best cover corner in the league.

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I have the Chiefs at number four. And I did say, and I happened to be wrong last week and I will, I will take it. I raised my hand and say I was wrong. I did say the Chief wouldn't lose another game. But I will say as of this week, the Chiefs will not lose another game. Yeah, they have. They'll beat the Colts, they'll beat the Cowboys, they'll beat the Texans. They have the Chargers. You know what? The, the, the Chargers getting a little kiss from an angel. They may not be as good as we thought.

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They're not as good as we thought.

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They don't have an offensive line unless.

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They'Re starters on the right. Right tackle. Left tackle. Yeah, they're gone.

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They have the Titans. They'll win that. They have the Raiders, they'll win that. I think the Chiefs can lose two more games and that's it. I think if they win 10 games, they're in the playoffs and if they get to the playoffs, they win the whole thing. Again, Chiefs at number four.

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It's just because you and Nick Wright have the same agent.

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That's a good point. But no, I didn't even, I didn't even know that he is a homer though. But I, I'm not a Chiefs fan, but I, I. Chiefs at number four. Number three, the Broncos. Now you could say. But you just said a second year quarterback. That's correct. The only reason I have the Broncos ahead of the Patriots is because I think the Broncos defense is better than the Patriots defense. I don't think they have the holes that New England is doing a wonderful job of masking. Now, looking at the schedule, the commanders, which now they now suck and they should suck on Purpose. And I have Jane Daniels don't win any games. So Broncos win that one. Then they play the Raiders and they win that. They're at 11. Packers, who knows Jags, who knows? Chiefs, they'll lose. Chargers, they'll lose. Broncos probably end up 11, 12 wins. I'm going to put the Broncos number three now. I got two teams left here. Oh, go ahead, say what you want to say.

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Well, I just make the argument that you're saying they've got a better defense, no doubt than New England. But New England's defense is pretty good. But I would make the case New England's offense is better than Broncos offense.

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But I'm not giving a second year quarterback the credit. And so it doesn't matter.

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You're not even going to give Drake May any credit?

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No, no. And I'm not giving Bo Nix any credit either. But the credit. Okay, no, no. Let me.

[B]

Credit comes from what?

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Let me define credit.

[B]

Yeah. Where does that credit?

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And me having faith that they will make a deep postseason run because I just haven't seen it.

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Right.

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It's a second year quarterback and we both know playing in the playoffs is hard.

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It's a tough deal. Yeah.

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Like I have any idea.

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We both know.

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Yeah. So I, I give them a lot of credit for how they especially Drake May MVP type season. But my list is based on super bowl looking for it.

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That's fair.

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And until they've done it, I need to see it done.

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Okay.

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Number two. And their offense sucks, but their defense is freaking elite. And I know their offense will find itself at least more so as Philadelphia Eagles. They are. They are 8 and 2. I don't know what's happened to them offensively. Do they have a different shape ball? Like all of a sudden they have like a trapezoid ball that they're playing with. They don't quite understand how to throw. It's crazy how inept they are on the offensive side of the ball.

[B]

Yeah. It starts. Look, this offensive line is not as dominant as it was last year by any stretch. And then they also just lost Lane Johnson, their right tackle, which is going to be even more of an issue.

[A]

Or out for a year. Ir, I thought.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Ir. But could possibly come back. Possibly come back or playoff.

[A]

That sucks.

[B]

That's a huge, huge loss. And then also Makai Becton left in the off season for free agency. So he was the right guard. That guy's 365 pounds of pure muscle and was awesome. So they haven't been able to get the run game but when you watch like the actual footage in the film of this, they're not creating a ton of separation. I know people are. AJ Brown's not getting the ball well. He's not creating a ton of separation and so that puts a lot of stress on the Jalen hurts and he's not been able there. They haven't just haven't looked good but their defense is real and it travels.

[A]

It is real. Just looking ahead, guaranteed victories, Cowboys, Bears, Raiders, commanders, commanders, that's five. They're going to win 13 games.

[B]

They're going to win probably 13.

[A]

I didn't list the games that aren't guaranteed. They could probably, they could probably beat the Chargers and the Bill. I don't know but I give him 13 wins before I get to my number one team. Honorable mention. The Colts at 8 and 2. Both the Colts and the Chiefs. Let's circle it.

[B]

It's. It's coming up babe. They might make that jump this week.

[A]

Let's circle it because if they beat the Chiefs I'll probably move the Chiefs to number five in my power ranking next week.

[C]

They might.

[B]

No, they might move up to three.

[A]

Because honorable mention and they are going to play the Chiefs. I listen I thought the Chiefs going to be the Broncos. All right, I'm stupid but I do think that the Chiefs win that. I think the Colts beat the Texans then it's tough because they have jagged Seahawks, 49ers, Jags, that's, that's a rough.

[B]

Yeah, that's a good go at the end of the season for sure.

[A]

So I have the Colts at six but my number one team is the friggin Rams.

[B]

Yes. Matthew Stafford, I'd agree with you wholeheartedly.

[A]

Freaking awesome. And we got to see a nice little game between Seattle and Los Angeles and I don't think it makes me feel any less about Seattle. I think Seattle still a really good team.

[B]

Really. They had a chance to potentially kick a game winning field goal but then after four turnovers.

[A]

The Rams are awesome. Yeah, they're outstanding and they got the Bucks coming up. Let's see. Guaranteed wins. Panthers, that's a win. Cardinals, that's a win. Not the Lions. Seahawks, Falcons. Falcons are going back.

[B]

They're.

[A]

They got to go back. Right? Yeah. Penix is out for the year.

[B]

Yeah, he's out for the year I.

[A]

Think and that you may, that's a huge loss. Find, you may find the actual number but I think in his eight years of ball like between college and NFL he's had like six season ending injuries It's.

[B]

Yeah, he's had a lot of injuries.

[A]

But yeah, Matthew Stafford is still that dude. The Rams is my number one team. My power rankings this week.

[B]

I love your power rankings. I think it's always interesting.

[A]

Yeah, I was going to move the Chiefs up to two, but I felt like with the loss, I couldn't put them ahead of the Broncos. I almost did.

[B]

So the Chiefs and the Baltimore Ravens have the same exact record right now, right?

[A]

Yeah, sure do.

[B]

So you would.

[A]

I can't put the. I can't put the Ravens up.

[B]

You don't trust the quarterback?

[A]

Well, it's not that. They're. They're only. They're only five and five. The Ravens are. So I can't.

[B]

Right. Don't they have the exact same record? Yeah, but you.

[A]

But they're not the Chiefs.

[B]

Okay, that's fair.

[A]

They're. They're not the team that's been to the super bowl three years in a row.

[B]

Yes, they're. That's true. And nine straight conference titles. Yeah.

[A]

He's never not played in the AFC Championship game.

[B]

He's unbelievable.

[A]

And by he, I mean Matt Castle.

[B]

No, that wasn't me.

[A]

Oh, okay. Five out of the last eight years, by the way, for Pennix. He's had a season ending.

[B]

Ending five out of the last eight. That's.

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[A]

All right, what you got up now that you have your notes?

[B]

Well, gosh, I was searching all over. I was like, what did I write down for this thing? I want to talk about Myles Garrett because I feel like we're watching potentially the best defensive player to ever play the game. He's got 15 sacks through what, Week 11. He'll probably set the all time record. But I just, I feel bad for him because he's on such a bad team and he's going to do something historical potentially this year. Nobody's going to care and they're not going to care because they're like, oh, how'd they do what? They finished with two wins. But when you watch him in his pure dominance, you talk about game records and all that stuff, he is at the top of the charts of that. I mean he is such a generational talent and the way that he plays the game. Every time you go out there, you just see him and you're like, this guy's a physical freak and a specimen. It just sucks that he's on such a bad football team right now.

[A]

The fact that they see it coming and still can't stop it, the fact that they double him, the fact that. And he still gets three, four, five sacks a game.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You're talking NFL professional offensive lineman doubling him.

[B]

Everybody schemes for him.

[A]

Yes, he is.

[B]

We know. Two weeks prior how can we stop this guy? How can we chip him? How can we double team him? Whatever we have to do to not let him. And he does it throughout every single game. It's unbelievable.

[A]

We never know what each other's going to talk about, which is kind of why I like doing this. But when you talk about Miles Garrett playing on a team that's terrible and nobody cares about, but he's awesome. I think of. And I wasn't alive for his performance, but I've been able to read a lot about him as Archie Manning playing for the Saints and how awesome he was, but how terrible the Saints were. So because he didn't win, he's not really held with the esteem of people who won Super Bowls or I think of like. And he's a Hall of Famer, like. Like Ernie Banks who won like MVP on a last place team.

[B]

Right. Wasn't Barry Sanders part of.

[A]

Oh, that's another great one.

[B]

I mean, just an absolute stud hall of Famer, legendary running back.

[A]

And played on a sucky. Retired because of it. Because.

[B]

Right. And he played on a terrible, terrible team.

[A]

I want to ask about Archie Manning. This is my assistant here.

[B]

This is my assistant.

[A]

Hello. Hey. I'm making the parallel between Miles Garrett and how dominant he is with the Cleveland Browns and Archie Manning and how dominant he was with the New Orleans Saints. Both teams being terrible while both players are super dominant. And because of the lack of team dominance, they aren't getting the notoriety they deserve. Can you draw that parallel for me and give some examples of both of them and their elite performance? Absolutely.

[B]

And that's a fun parallel to draw.

[A]

So let's run with it. You know, Miles Garrett is just this absolute force on the Browns defensive line.

[B]

Right.

[A]

He racks up sacks. He's a game changer, and he's basically one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. But the Browns as a team have had their ups and downs, and when they're not winning consistently, sometimes his superstar level talent doesn't get quite as much shine as it would on a dominant team. Now, if you rewind a few decades. Archie Manning had a similar deal going on with the Saints. He was this incredibly talented quarterback doing everything he could on a team that was. Well, let's say the Saints weren't exactly a powerhouse back then.

[B]

Despite Archie's talent, the team struggled.

[A]

And he never got that playoff glory or national spotlight. A lot of other quarterbacks did. So you've got these two guys, decades apart, both playing in an elite level on teams that didn't give them the platform to really rack up the wins or the trophies. Miles Garrett is out there terrorizing quarterbacks just like Archie was, slinging passes and making the most out of tough situations. But because the team around them didn't hit that top tier status, sometimes their individual greatness flies a little more under the radar.

[B]

Who is that chick?

[A]

It's my assistant.

[B]

She's really smart. Yeah. Bobby, did you see Castle's face at all during that? What in the world is that? Is that chatgpt or whatever it is?

[A]

It's just my assistant.

[B]

Well, she is fantastic. I mean, just jumped right into the pod.

[A]

She just jumps right in. She helps me a lot sometimes I'll.

[B]

Just phone a friend.

[A]

I'll just talk to her, but to learn stuff.

[B]

Yeah, it's brilliant. Yeah, she's very smart.

[A]

Yeah, she is.

[B]

She really is.

[A]

All right, I'll go. I'll go next. So we saw the big fight with Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey. Yeah. And at first it was jalen Ramsey gets thrown out. Jamar Chase said, I didn't spit on him. Upon further review, he did spit, and it looks like it's going to cost him, what, $448,000 full game, right? Yeah. Yeah. So half a million bucks because he did spit. The difficulty now is there are cameras everywhere.

[B]

Everywhere.

[A]

You're not going to get every angle. You're not going to get away with it.

[B]

I didn't spit. What? We just literally slow mo'd you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Spitting on him. And what's the deal with people players spitting on each other now?

[A]

I mean, Jalen Carter, week one.

[B]

I just don't understand it. I don't understand. It's the most disrespectful thing you could possibly do to another human is spit on them.

[A]

So Jalen Carter, Week 1. Terrell Owens spit on D' Angelo hall in 2006, was fined $35,000. Bill Romanowski, who just seems like a slime.

[B]

He seems like a spitter.

[A]

Yeah. Yes. He seems like he'd spit on Like a kid walking. Walking by.

[B]

Yeah. They say you would spit on the center's hand as he's sitting in the A gap, like just to mess with them.

[A]

Oh, that's.

[B]

That's just brutal.

[A]

That's gross. He spit on J.J. stokes in 1997 was fine. 7,500 bucks. There was the college situation that happened earlier this year and that happened right after the Jalen Carter thing, which is why it was so unbelievable, because it was like this just happened in the NFL.

[B]

Do you not watch on Sundays? Like it's one of those where it's the biggest story. It's the biggest story. Oh, I'm going to do that. I'm going to get some pub on this one.

[A]

As a matter of fact, I think it happened on a Thursday night before the Saturday game. I believe that's even what it was. Florida lineman, he spit on a South Florida player, gave him a 15 yard penalty and it led to them kicking a field goal. They won. That was a big win for them. And then Orioles second baseman Roberto, Roberto Alomar in baseball, spit on an ump during an on field argument. Got suspended five games. But here's what I'd like to say. Spitting on someone is about the least humane thing you can do, 100%. That doesn't physically injure them. That is so disrespectful.

[B]

So disrespectful.

[A]

And you're going to get caught.

[B]

You're going to get caught and there's going to be a reaction, obviously, like especially on the football field of all things, where you're already. Your competitive juices are flowing. Everything else, you're trying to beat that guy up every single play within the lines usually. But then to spit basically in his face and you don't. The reaction. I don't think Jalen Ramsey should be punished. I don't think he should be fine. Because when you slow it down for anybody on the punishment council or whatever that you have to go up in front of and get the review board, they're sitting there saying, look, I get why you did it. You, you can't fight with somebody, but I get why you did it. We're going to take the final way.

[A]

Mostly I would disagree with vigilante justice. So most of the times I would go like, I don't know, I think he's still. But you're right, spitting is.

[B]

It's just a different level.

[A]

It's a different level. Mike Tomlin said, like, hey, I told my guys, like, you get spit on, you got to handle Whatever business you need to handle.

[B]

Yeah, I agree.

[A]

You have any spit on?

[B]

No.

[A]

Remember when that Taylor Lewan spit.

[C]

Who?

[B]

What did he do?

[A]

He spit right in somebody's face. They were fighting on the sideline. I don't think I even think. And I don't know Taylor, but I think even he admits it wasn't his finest moment. Can you see? Oh, T.J. watt. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, Taylor was a wild man. Like, literally wild man. Did you play?

[A]

Did you guys play?

[B]

I played with him and he was, I mean, ultimate competitor. No days off, would run sprints with the wide receivers. He was a freak athlete.

[A]

So. Good worker, too, though. So you respect him.

[B]

Really hard worker, but just an absolute nut. I mean, the stuff that he would say to different defensive linemen when he was in a stance was stuff that is so comical and so out of line that I can't even repeat it.

[C]

And then.

[B]

But like, I remember one game, he didn't get ejected from a game. He's, like, flicking off the fans and doing all that. Like, that was just him. He was an emotional guy and played with emotion. But you wanted him on your side because he was a guy that would do anything for you.

[A]

Hated him playing against you. But one of.

[B]

Yeah, one of those guys loved him.

[A]

When he played for you.

[B]

Loved him especially because a lot of times linemen are a little bit more reserved than the defensive side of the ball now. They've got edge to him and play and all that stuff, but they can get back into a huddle where he had that mentality of, like, the defensive line where he's going to talk smack to you, he's going to try to hit you hard, he's going to try to finish you and rub you the wrong way just to get you out of your comfort zone. And I love that about Taylor.

[A]

All right, give me your next one.

[B]

All right, next one. I think there's a power surge in the AFC East, AFC west divisions. Okay, so AFC east has been dominated by the Bills for what, plus five years? Obviously. The Chiefs in the west have nine straight divisional titles.

[A]

So you're saying afc. I'm getting my. Getting my things right here. You're talking about AFC East, AFC West. Got it.

[B]

There's, like, a little bit of the shift of guard, so to speak, because with the Broncos, are you claiming the.

[A]

Patriots are already shifting the guard?

[B]

Already? Like, already.

[A]

You guys are both such homers, it's crazy.

[B]

But you have to take that into consideration.

[A]

Not even a full season. They didn't even call guard.

[B]

Shoot. No. What I. What I think about right now is.

[A]

Oh my God, I got two Patriots here. This is insane.

[B]

It's pretty amazing. Like, dude, they're nine and two. Okay? They've already beat the Bills at the Bills. I'm just saying it's interesting to see these divisions. That's the beautiful part about the NFL. What I'm saying is you've seen these divisions be dominated by particular teams at the top of the NFL for five seasons, nine seasons. And the beautiful part about the NFL is from one season, the next you're starting to see some of these teams emerge. And the Pats are emerging right now to challenge for the division. The Broncos have emerged to challenge for the division, which nobody expected. And so I guess what I'm saying.

[A]

Is there's no shift. This is a temporarily blip. Use the dumbest thing. I like to pay. You guys are making me not like the Patriots and I like the Patriots.

[B]

Well, that's all I'm talking about.

[A]

They haven't even finished the season and you're calling power shift.

[B]

Well, they have so far up to this point. And we can only talk about what we've seen this far.

[A]

You guys are out of your mind.

[B]

Can you imagine?

[A]

You're both irrational.

[B]

Can you imagine if the Patriots go in the Super Bowl? How am I getting thrown in this?

[A]

Because I know what you're thinking over there.

[B]

He's loving it. He is absolutely loving it.

[A]

I have a question for. Did you ever sign a one day contract and retire with anybody?

[B]

No, I'm still not retired. I think that.

[A]

Are you really not retired yet officially?

[B]

I don't think I've ever signed any papers. I think they just knew. Hey, he's been out for like five, six years now. I think he's pretty much retired. But I never did like a one day signing.

[A]

And who did you retire with?

[B]

Nobody.

[A]

The Titans.

[B]

I didn't even have to. I didn't have to do anything. Yeah, after. No, after Detroit, I retired.

[A]

Oh, you went to Detroit after here.

[B]

For one year with Matt Patricia. First year he was there with. Remember Stafford, my buddy that I like to talk about? Yeah.

[A]

So you retired a Lion, I guess.

[B]

Yeah, I retired a Lion.

[A]

The one team I don't associate you with at all.

[B]

Legendary. Legendary.

[A]

That's the one team I have. No, I don't remember you playing with at all or like being a part of it. I remember here because I. Oh, I.

[B]

Literally was the veteran backup and Stafford never came off the field. I mean, the guy had a broken back, wouldn't come off the field, I was like, man, I might get some playtime here. Late in the seat. No, he ended up playing the entire season, was an absolute warrior. So, you know, subbed in every now and then. When I remember one game, I think we were playing the Rams, and he got absolutely blown up. There was a blitz. I thought he was dead. He hobbles over the sideline. I was like, okay. Broken ribs. I have no idea what he's got going on. So I go in for, like, the rest of that series, and all of a sudden he's like, I'll be all right. I was like, are you sure? Like, even I'm concerned. And I was like, dude, you don't. You don't look like you go back. He's like, I got it. I got it. And literally went out there and played the rest of the game. I was blown away.

[A]

And he's also a likable guy, right?

[B]

He's awesome, dude.

[A]

Yeah. That's the reason that I think I root for him now is because you've. On this show and also outside of the show, you've said such great things about him that, like, I, like, root for the Rams, and there's no reason for me to root for the Rams.

[B]

No.

[A]

I mean, because I'm a Patriots fan. We all know that.

[B]

But you can appreciate, like, his career.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And his longevity and also that.

[A]

I do. But it's a good.

[B]

If he's. If he's a good guy, but he's a great guy.

[A]

Like, you're the best guy. And if the best guy tells you somebody else is cool, then you're like, man, I root for them.

[B]

Oh, well, thank you. So, yeah, I tell everybody that you're the best.

[A]

No, I'm not doing that.

[B]

I tell them you're the best guy.

[A]

See, I can't even give you a compliment without you, like, turning it back on me.

[B]

Why can't I tell you that?

[A]

Because I don't.

[B]

Why are you embarrassed? Why are you so comfortable?

[A]

Because you only said that because I said it.

[B]

You're getting flushed.

[A]

You only said that because I said it.

[B]

No, you look great.

[A]

All right, it's time for the weekend Preview presented by DraftKings. From first, touchdown scored anytime. Touchdown. Props. Or the thrill of live in game betting. Every snap is loaded with opportunity. We preview the three biggest matchups of the weekend. We pick our winners. We tell you why. The three biggest games are the Colts at Chiefs. Pick your winner there.

[B]

Oh, man, this is hard. After your power rankings.

[A]

It's not hard. It's the Chiefs. The Chiefs are going to belt to butt.

[B]

Belt to butt.

[A]

You can pay. I mean, it's.

[B]

You go first. But you went with the Chiefs. Why?

[A]

Chiefs built it. Because the. Because the Chiefs are the third best. Wait, hold on.

[B]

Yeah, your third best team.

[A]

Maybe fourth. Hold on. They're the fourth best team and they rank currently over the number six ranked Colts. So belt to butt. Chiefs over Colts. And they're going back to. They're in Kansas City.

[B]

They're in Kansas City. They do play better in Kansas City. Yeah. So I'm going to take the Chiefs at home this weekend, but I do have a feeling that Indianapolis could go in there and get a little win and then really mess up your power rankings. Yeah.

[A]

Then no, because the Chiefs will be five next week. They'll fall a spot if they lose one spot. Okay. Bucks at Rams. Wow. What a.

[B]

What an important game for the Bucks at Rams.

[A]

At Rams.

[B]

I'm definitely going with the Rams. Still, I mean, just the way the defense played last week. Stafford's playing it MVP level. Got the run game. Like I said before. I mean, the identity of this offense, they just look like they're rolling. If you have one gripe about the Rams right now, it might be the kicking game. Like I'm saying, they've made their pats, but they don't kick field goals because they don't have any trust in the kicker. They change their kicker mid season, all that stuff. And I think they're long snapper. That's the one gripe. If that's your one gripe of a football team at this, this deep in a season, then they're doing something right. So I'm going with the Rams.

[A]

I know I do have them ranked 1, but this is a DOD game for the Bucks. Do or die. They've lost two games in a row. They've needed to win both of those games. They need to win this game. I'm taking the Bucks because it's a dod it's straight Dodd game. So I'm going with the Bucks just because I think that. I think Baker. I just. I guess I'm hoping. I want the Bucks.

[B]

I think their offense is going to put up points.

[C]

The.

[B]

Honestly, the defensive side of the ball has really kind of failed them these last two weeks because they've given up a ton of points to one, obviously the Buffalo Bills. But the week before against the Patriots team, they ran the ball, they were able to throw the ball for big, explosive plays. And so they've got to get better on the Defensive side of the ball or they're not going to win against a quality opponent like that.

[A]

Steelers at Bears.

[B]

Steelers at Bears. What is the status here of our boy Rogers?

[A]

Last I saw it could be a small fracture in the old left wrist, but that's the last I saw.

[B]

Okay. I still think he's going to play.

[A]

What do you see? Same.

[B]

And then Tomlin said he won't rule.

[A]

Him out or in just yet. No, thanks. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, that helped. That's helpful. Thanks.

[A]

Thanks, Mike.

[B]

I think if Aaron's playing this game, I think that they the Steelers win this game. If he doesn't, then I'm going to still go with the Steelers.

[A]

Great. So I got a feeling you're picking the Steelers. I'm going to pick the Bears because, I don't know, you're going to ride the hot hand. No, they just win.

[B]

Yeah, they're finding ways, man.

[A]

And I know that game ended up being a close game against the Vikings last week, but they dominated that game.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And again, I know the score was close. J.J. mcCarthy.

[B]

Yeah, he's a work in progress, but.

[A]

I do think he can actually be a. I do think it's there. I think.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I covered him in college and everything else. I mean, the guy's got a physical skill set now. He's got to put it together. He has not played well.

[A]

He makes Justin Jefferson want to quit.

[B]

Right. Accuracy issues, throwing into coverage, turnovers and I mean, what was he started now, five games this year.

[A]

I still believe in him, though. I still believe he turnovers.

[B]

Sounds like you do.

[A]

Well, I do because he has Kevin o' Connell as his coach.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I do think that Kevin o' Connell fixes quarterbacks.

[B]

Yeah, I agree with that. But he hasn't been able to fix this one yet.

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[B]

Tyler, what's up, man? How are you?

[C]

I'm doing good, man. Can't complain at all.

[B]

After 12 years, you decide to retire this year? First and foremost, how many teams have called you to try to get you out of retirement? And also, what went into that decision.

[C]

Man, to be honest, man, not. Not a lot of coaches hit me up. A lot of my former coaches, they. They want me to come coach, you know, it's one of those type of capacities. But I told him, man, I retired for a reason. You know, I don't think I'm too fond of, you know, coaching schedule, you know, right now, so. But nah, man, I think, man, I've.

[B]

Had a great career.

[C]

I had a great career, man. I'm proud of it. Proud of the way I handled myself and carried myself, you know, proud of some of the things I was able to overcome, you know, early on in my career. And yeah, man, like. Like, I think I'm at a point in life, man, where, like, I'm absolutely ready for, like, the next chapter, you know, So I don't want to hold on to this football thing forever. So I'm looking forward to his next for me.

[A]

Yeah, I was going to ask you about next chapter because, like, my partner here, he played in the NFL for over a decade, and we have a lot of guys that come by that have played in the NFL. Then it's like finding a sense of who you are after football. Are you going through that process right now?

[C]

Yeah, man. Because the truth is, man, you know, since four or five years old, man, that's all I know, you know, it's football, you know, especially football, you know, so, you know, you know, I'm pretty sure my coaches and, you know, teammates kind of speak to, you know, the effect of my passion. And, you know, a lot of those guys were, you know, really surprised I retired because they assumed I was going to play for 20 years, you know, that's how much they knew I loved the game. But, you know, to be able to. To be able to walk on. To be able to walk off the field on my own two feet, you know, in my right mind, and all those sorts of things, man, like, like, like, that's a blessing. That. It really is a blessing.

[B]

It was so weird this first offseason, being out, knowing, you know, how your clock just goes. Like you said, you've been playing since you were 4. And I remember getting out for the first time and being like, wait, we were about to go to ot. No, I'm not. I don't have anything to do right now. Should I go golf? Like, what was that transition like from a schedule? Because I felt like, for me, that was the biggest adjustment was not having that schedule set for you every single day.

[C]

Yeah, I probably say that was. That was one of the bigger adjustments for me as well. And you know, I retired right before training camp started, and, you know, I remember kind of waking up a few days later, like, man, like, should not be like, you know, an individual drill right now, or, you know, should I be watching film right now? You know, so, you know, you just gotta. You just gotta find. Find your. Find your groove, man. You know, you gotta find your groove. You gotta find your rhythm again, and, you know, you just gotta. Gotta have some type of purpose, man. You gotta be looking forward to something. And I think that's what's. That's what really have kept me, you know, in a good sound, you know, state of mind, is that, you know, I look forward to my kids and my family and, you know, just started a podcast on my own, so, you know, just looking forward to some of the good things ahead of me.

[A]

Being a Louisiana native, an LSU diehard, you're going through the coaching search right now. One of the benefits they say at LSU is that everybody grows up wanting to be a Tiger. Did you grow up always wanting to be a Tiger?

[C]

Yeah, absolutely. Which is why when they. When they offer me a scholarship, I, like, committed right there on the spot. It wasn't even official yet. I was like, yeah, I'm coming here. And so, I mean, it's the flagship program. You know, I think that's the program that, you know, this state, you know, and the surrounding cities, they. They really do rally behind. And so, yeah, man, I probably say it was. It was one of my. One of my greatest honors, man, as a. As a Louisianan, to. To. To represent lsu.

[B]

Not only did you represent them, but you went out there and absolutely dominated. And your. Your second year at lsu, you're one of the Heisman finalists, which is unheard of. Was there. I don't even know if there's another safety that's ever been a Heisman finalist, but talk to me about that season and just the mindset that you had and then all the accolades that came with that.

[C]

Yeah, man, I just really, man, remember being really, really motivated. You know, I had a really good freshman campaign, and, you know, I was able to kind of win some awards and, you know, obviously was the first defensive player to win the Cotton Bowl MVP as a freshman. And so, you know, I had some hot steam, you know, behind me, you know, going into my sophomore year. And I probably say one of the things that really kind of catapulted that season for me was, you know, like I said, I had a really good freshman campaign, but the following season, they wanted to try something new at cornerback. And it just didn't quite sit well with me. And so, you know, for me, man, like, I just remember working so hard like, like that off season, trying to show everybody and prove to everybody that, you know, like, I'm not just a nickelback. I'm not just like this gadget guy on defense that could do, you know, a handful of things. Like, you know, I want to be respected as, you know, one of the best, you know, all around DBs in the game. And so I just remember going into that season, man, with a chip on my shoulder, you know, and, you know, we was able to get off to a hot start. We had, you know, play Oregon that first week of that season and, you know, I was able to get off to a fast start that day, man, and I think it just really kind of, you know, carried me, you know, throughout the rest of that campaign.

[A]

Talk about the draft process, if you don't mind. And what I'm curious about is who were you talking to specifically? Where did you think you would go? And obviously we know where you went, but is that what you thought would happen the whole time? Did it fall as you were instructed?

[C]

No, to be honest, man, I didn't think I was going to go to Arizona. I knew we had, I had a great official visit with them. I thought, you know, me and the coaches, we got along really well, but I didn't think I was going there, you know, and honestly, I thought I was actually to end up in San Francisco and because, you know, those guys had told me, you know, that they will possibly trade back into the first round to come get me, which is funny because they actually ended up drafting my, my former teammate Eric Reed. And you know, so that, that, that kind of stung a little bit, but, you know, then I had to wait two more rounds to, to, to hear my name called. But, you know, initially I, I really thought the Niners were, was going to come get me.

[B]

And then you go into the pros and you immediately make a statement because you're one of those special players. Your versatility, everything else. And you were shining your rookie year, but obviously you had some injuries early in your career with two knee injuries. What was it like having to go through that adversity so early in your career?

[C]

Yeah, that was tough, man. That was a real challenge for me because I'd never really been injured before, especially to that extent. I had a couple of ankle roles in high school and college, but nothing that ever really required, you know, surgery or, you know, me missing a lot of time. And so you know, that was hard for me, man, but I was grateful because, you know, it kept me grounded. You know, it kept me grounded even though I had made it to the NFL and things were going good for me. You know, I feel like that was kind of like one of those things like, you know, God put in front of you to kind of keep you focused on the end goal, you know, and so I was grateful for that, man. I was grateful for my teammates, too, because, you know, I had dudes like Patrick Peterson and Larry Fitzgerald, you know, in the locker room with me, and, you know, I think just working with those type of dudes every day, man, like, you know, keep things in perspective. You. You understand that, you know, this is a big game, man. It's not about. It's not all about, you know, your impact on the field. You know, it's about your impact off the field and, you know, how you're able to elevate a franchise and organization and teammates. So, you know, I was grateful, man, to be able to be around those guys because, you know, they kept me grounded and they kept me motiv, you know, looking forward to better days ahead.

[A]

When you get to Kansas City, was it for you we gotta win a Super Bowl? Was that culture there? Did you feel like you could win it that quick?

[C]

Well, we knew we had a good team, you know, we knew we had a good team. And I mean, that was essentially the pitch for me, you know, in free agency was, man, like, we got our quarterback on offense, like we need a quarterback on defense, like we need somebody to come in here and, you know, get these guys to believe in, you know, defense again. And so, yeah, I was thankful for that, man, because that's a great responsibility to have. And I think at the time I was going into my sixth or seventh season, so I was still kind of fairly young. But, yeah, man, that sparked me. That definitely sparked me because I always felt like I was one of the better players on my team. But when I went to Arizona, that wasn't my defense. That was Patrick Peterson's defense. And then when I went to Houston for that stop there, that wasn't my defense. That was JJ's watt defense, right? And so, you know, I finally got into a situation where, you know, this was my defense and I. And I was going to be the alpha dog. I was going to be top voice in the room. And, yeah, man, I took a lot of pride in that.

[B]

Do you think it was a perfect fit, too, going with Spags and understanding that he'll put you in A position to be successful and allow you much more freedom, so to speak, because the way you play it, you could play over the slot, you could play over in the back, you could rush the passer, but you did so many multiple things at the safety position. But I felt like the scheme itself was a perfect fit for your. The type of player that you were.

[C]

Yeah, man. You know, kudos to coach Spags, man. Like. Like, me and that guy still have a really, really good relationship to this day. And I'll say, man, like, if I was to ever get in the hall of Fame, like, Spags would be a big reason why, you know, because I think what I was able to do within that scheme and a free range, that I had to do a lot of different things within the scheme. You know, he trusted me a lot. He empowered me a lot. And I think with that came great, like, responsibility. You know, I had to study more. You know, I had to come to work a little earlier, you know, leave a little later. You know, I had to do things during practice. Right. But it was a great responsibility, man, and I'm grateful that it all kind of aligned like that to where, you know, I was ready for that next step in my career. And then I got with a coach like Spags who, you know, essentially, like, gave me the keys to the car and, you know, was comfortable with, you know, where I would take them. And so, you know, yeah, man. To win a Super bowl and to be able to accomplish all those things, you know, going all pro and just all those things I was able to accomplish, man, he was a big, big influence on that.

[A]

You mentioned your podcast. We were actually talking about it before you came on. What are you doing over there? You love doing it. What's happening within the bio?

[C]

Yeah, man, it's fun, man. Like. Like, me and my childhood friend, man, we, you know, we grew up playing ball. You know, we grew up playing sports. And, you know, obviously both of us are from Louisiana, so, you know, it's just such a comfort level that. That we have. But, I mean, this is like our everyday, you know, conversation. You know, we're talking about, you know, everything under the sun, you know, obviously everything that's Louisiana and, you know, just trying to keep up with sports and culture and, you know, what's going on in the community and just trying to highlight that, you know, trying to. Trying. Trying to be a positive voice for. For the next generation, man. So. But yeah, man, like, I think it's gonna be fun, you know, for right now, man. Like, we're Excited about it. You know, we're continually looking forward to it and yeah, man, hopefully we could put together some good episodes, man, that, that people are able to really relate to.

[B]

Was it a full circle moment for you to come back and end your career with the New Orleans Saints when you got to come home and basically be in front of your people?

[C]

Yeah, man, that meant a lot to me because you got to go back, you know, 10, 10, 11 years, 12 years, right? And, you know, before I got drafted, the, the talk was, oh, man, he needs to get away from Louisiana, he needs to get away from those people, blah, blah, blah, right? And I did that, I did that for, for almost 10 years. And, you know, but I felt relieved to be able to come back home, you know, knowing that, you know, everything I kind of overcome and all the different adversity and, you know, really, man, to, to franchise that. You know, it wasn't always about, you know, on the field, you know, it was more about, you know, how the Saints kind of showed up in the community, you know, And I remember vividly, man, like after Hurricane Katrina, like just that organization, like, just taking on that responsibility, you know, and so to be able to, to represent that, man, for my family and friends who all die hard, you know, you know, LSU and Saints fans, right, to be able to kind of give them that experience and, you know, that, that behind the scenes experience, man, because a lot of them, you know, they didn't go to Saints games growing up, you know, and so for them to have that type of access and to be in the stadium, man, that did a lot for them, you know, in the community, that just meant a lot to me.

[A]

Final question. Give me your Mount Rushmore. Favorite LSU players of all time. Okay, yeah, give me four.

[C]

I'll exclude me. I'll probably say, I'll probably say, you know, Billy Cannon, Billy Cannon is one. I'll say Joe Burrow is two. For me, I'll put Jaden Daniels in there. I think he's three. And then for it, man, like, I, I gotta go with my guy, Patrick Peterson, you know, like, like, he was probably the most decorated high school, you know, defensive back, you know, of all time. You know what I mean? And so for him to pick, you know, Louisiana State and him being a Florida boy and, yeah, you know, this, this, you know, Florida and Florida State, Miami. For him to just say, no, I'm not going there, I'm going to the bayou. Yeah, man, he, he's a big reason why a lot of guys, you know, after him, you know, Wanted to play DB for the Tigers.

[A]

Hey, Tyler, really appreciate the time. Everybody in the bayou get it where you get your podcast watch on YouTube. Loved watching you play ball and really appreciate the the time you gave us here today on the show.

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Absolutely, fellas. Thank you.

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Store more and do more with your data. Try them for [e-mail]. All right, we have one more each. I'm gonna go with the Dallas Cowboys. It's going to be my final topic of discussion. Their record right now is 4, 5 and 1. Dax got 2500 passing yards. He's 21 and 6 on touchdown interceptions.

[B]

Dude, he's playing out of this.

[A]

Isn't that awesome?

[B]

Yes. That's not just awesome, that's unbelievable.

[A]

He's 21 and 6. His quarterback rating is 103, but the touchdown to interception ratio is superb. Yes, he's got two excellent receivers. George Pickens is getting paid.

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Dude, George Pickens, they got a steal on that because what, they trade him for a third rounder?

[A]

He, he won't stay in Dallas because Jerry won't pay him.

[B]

But he, I don't know if Jerry wants to be smart and surround Dak with talent, not just CD Lamb. He's going to pay him, but he's going to get a lot of money because that guy is phenomenal.

[A]

He's awesome. Maybe he didn't have. He just didn't have a quarterback in Pittsburgh. Right. He's also. He needs to be in an organization that can manage his crazy.

[B]

Yeah. Because there is that element. Right. And that's ultimately. Would the Steelers, would the Steelers want to get rid of him? No, they wouldn't. But it was all the on the field, off the field.

[C]

Issues.

[B]

The argumentative nature in which you saw constantly on the field that hopefully he's matured and he's in a good position now, but they're feeding him the rock. He's got a capable quarterback to get him the ball, but with guys like that that are those alpha wide receivers that want the ball consistently, you've got to put him on a team with somebody that can get him the ball. And that's obviously why he's in a good position right now.

[A]

And I think CD Lamb being the number one kind of keeps him in his place a little bit too, Right? I mean, CD Lamb is the alpha wide receiver there. CD Lamb's also crazy in an awesome way.

[B]

Incredibly good.

[A]

Yes. No, I'm talking about also crazy.

[B]

Yeah. Well, not. Not to that extent.

[A]

Like wide receiver. No, but he's wide receiver crazy. So it's hard for Pickens when he's not the number one to be crazier than the actual crazy number one.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

Who's a better wide receiver than him?

[B]

But I honestly have not got the story yet. Why did neither one of those guys start the first?

[A]

They just said coach's decision. I don't know.

[B]

Something happened.

[A]

Yeah. So the two of them together, it's like they had a slumber party and didn't invite coach or something.

[B]

And then after the first touchdown, he ran over. He's like, I love you guys. And they're all laughing. And I was like, why didn't they start again? Nobody knew, right? Nope.

[A]

Can you pull up the Cowboys rest of the schedule? Cowboys are currently the 10th seed in the NFC behind the Panthers and the Lions.

[B]

How about the date Bryce Young has.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Great.

[A]

Awesome.

[B]

Unbelievable.

[A]

Awesome. And. And even like Jacoby Brissette, although they lost, he. What? He complete 47.

[B]

47 passes.

[A]

Yeah. Cowboys are second right now in the NFC East. Eagles are at 8 and 2. The Eagles are in. I think the Cowboys. I'm not a Cowboys fan, so I say this from that of a non Cowboys fan. I think they have an outside shot to make to get the seven seed.

[B]

Do you really?

[A]

Let me hear the schedule. Yeah, only because their division is so weak and if they. I want to hear how many more games they have against the Commanders and Giants. So go ahead. Eagles this week lost.

[B]

That's huge.

[A]

Okay. Okay. I'm going to do this.

[B]

I don't. I don't know. This is. That's what is going to be exciting about this game.

[A]

If I were betting on it. Okay. Loss four, six and one. Go ahead. Chiefs.

[B]

Oh. And for sure they're going to be.

[A]

By 104, 7 and 1.

[B]

Go ahead at the Lions.

[A]

Oh, I hear you. But the Lions are like the eight or nine seed.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

They lost again. Four. Oh, man. They're out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Unless they beat it, it does get a little easier. Go ahead. Vikings win. Chargers at Commanders win.

[B]

And then at the Giants.

[A]

Boy, they're going to have to pull a couple out of their butt.

[B]

Yeah. So if they beat the teams that they should, that would put them at what, eight wins? You just named three.

[A]

I think seven wins.

[B]

That's not going to do it.

[A]

It's not going to do it.

[B]

They're going to have to be nine. Nine or 10 wins. They're going to have to.

[A]

Ten gets them in for sure. For sure. Not. But they have a tie as well. So if they get nine wins, that probably gets them in because they won't be nine and eight. They'll be nine, seven and one.

[B]

Oh, yeah. The tie in that regard. That's the only time the tie helps them.

[A]

So let. They've won four. What are the. Let's say they beat. We're just doing a little exercise here. Let's say they beat the Commanders, that's five. They beat the Giants, that's six. They need three more games. What can. What are they most likely to win? The Vikings love it. They need two more wins.

[B]

The Chargers, they can definitely possible with the injuries.

[A]

Possible. Yeah.

[B]

And then.

[A]

Because that's at home, too.

[B]

And then one of the three I.

[A]

Mentioned the next three weeks are the.

[B]

Eagles, Chiefs and Lions.

[A]

They got to beat the Lions in. If they somehow squeak out an Eagles.

[B]

Win, which if the offense goes off, Dallas is going to have to play incredibly well. But to go off against that Eagles defense is going to be difficult. But then again, the Eagles aren't scoring a lot of points right now.

[A]

Anyway, your final topic.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I know that there's been a ton of conversation about Sam Darnold, his performance, you know, four interceptions. And I think it goes back to last year in those games. One of those opponents were the LA Rams in the playoffs. Right. Where he struggled. And I think he's a really good quarterback, has played at an MVP type level for most of this season. And I don't think that the narrative about him will change until he wins a big game like that, like a playoff game.

[A]

Do you think he.

[B]

I don't even know if it's a playoff game. It's quality opponents. When it's necessary to take over a division like it was last year against the Lions. And that. That was a game which he didn't play his best ball. But I think for him moving forward, he's got stuff to look forward to because he's going to play the Rams again. He might play the Rams again two more times in the season as they get to the playoffs. And so I think he's a really good quarterback, but in the biggest moments, in the biggest games, that's where he takes the next step to become an elite quarterback in the NFL.

[A]

He feels like the Penn State of quarterbacks.

[B]

Oh, Penn State's really bad, though.

[A]

No, but the James Franklin Penn State of quarterbacks, I should say, like, wins all the games he's supposed to win. But when it's Ohio State, Michigan and Oregon, it's like, oh, man. And like, you're not supposed to win those games. But be nice if you win a couple, right? I root for Sam Darnold.

[B]

I do, too.

[A]

He can't listen. He didn't have a chance with the Jets.

[B]

That's.

[A]

That, that, that. That is a. The jets is a terribly run organization all the way down from the very top. So no chance. Then he goes to the Panthers, another terribly run organization.

[B]

Baker Mayfield, by the way, was there with Sam Darnold same time.

[A]

So I root. I hope that he's able to show that he was. What? Oh, he's a USC guy like you.

[B]

He is a USC guy.

[A]

Do you root for him because of that? Is that a reason?

[B]

No, I just. I mean, did you know that?

[A]

Did I tell you that? You didn't know that, did you? He went to usc.

[B]

I did know that he went to usc. I actually did know. I just think he's a quality dude and I like his story.

[A]

Me, too. I want him to succeed because it sucks when quarterbacks, for example. And I'll just use two here, like a Dylan Gabriel. He doesn't have a chance. He's going to suck. Because he plays for the Browns.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

There's a reason that Browns jersey has 41 names on the back of it. Have you guys seen the jersey with all the quarterbacks that have started?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

From Tim Couch.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

Yeah. There's a reason that that's that team.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And so I want Sam Darnold to be able to prove it is the organization that tainted him, not the other way around.

[B]

Yeah. And I think he's proven that now. It's just like I said, he's already.

[A]

Proven a big one, Sammy.

[B]

He's a really good quarterback. Now to take that next step it's in games like that. And I wonder if the narrative actually is any different this week. If they kick the 60 something yard field goal and win the game, they're still going to be saying, well, it.

[A]

Wasn'T until the end of the year. It wasn't close enough to the end of the year.

[B]

Well, it was still four interceptions, one of them not his fault. But it's still three interceptions in a big divisional game.

[A]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[B]

What do you think about your boy Shador? Think he's going to come back strong?

[A]

Okay, I want to give you an ill educated opinion. Okay. Because compared to your opinion, it is ill educated because you played. But it doesn't stop me from ever giving an opinion. Right. I don't know about half the crap to talk about. For the same reason that any quarterback is going to suck with the Browns. Imagine coming off the sideline cold against the Ravens, back up for the Browns. You don't. There's no chance. You don't have a chance. Everything's and but the one thing that annoyed me because I do root for Shador because I know his dad, I don't know Shador, but I do root for him to have success. I think on that team you're not going to have it. And secondly, I didn't like all the Shador lovers that are like, you never got reps with the first team. As a guy who both started and played as a backup, how many reps during the week do you get with the first team?

[B]

Maybe one rep. One rep. Okay, so yeah, so it is. That is a legitimate claim. And that was the other part is like he didn't have a chance. Not just because of when he came into the game and who they were going up against and the way that the offense was going. But you don't get reps because there's only so many reps per period. You don't have the same amount of guys out there like you do in training camp. And so if you're not getting reps, there's one thing to take a mental rep, but it's completely different about getting a feel with different wide receivers, tight ends, even your cadence. You know, you heard on some of these shows that some of the linemen came out and said, we've never even heard his cadence. I mean, that is set up for failure without a doubt. If he had any possibility of playing, then maybe you might get three reps at the end to give you a bone here or there, or you might run like a 9 on 7 drill, which is a run drill. But, and I will also say this, it's harder as a backup quarterback to go in later in the season, the further removed you are from training camp, because at least in training camp, there's more reps to go around. You've probably played in preseason and actually felt the game a little bit more. But as the season goes on, you. You're just sitting there watching and you're getting your reps mainly in scout team and your throws, but you're not working with the main dudes that you might play with when you get in there. So it's always the further removed from camp. All of a sudden you get out there and it's lightning speed. Because this is National Football League, the speed of the game changes dramatically. You're not used to it, you're getting hit. And then in addition to that, you don't have the reps. So it normally takes maybe a full practice week to where you're getting every single rep and they kind of modify the game plan to fit your skill set to where you might see him bounce back and have a better week next week. But again, like you said, the team itself is not very supportive of a young quarterback coming in and playing well.

[A]

So I feel like he didn't have a chance. But also, I didn't agree with the excuse that people were making for him.

[B]

Were.

[A]

Well, he's the back. He's never had any reps with the. With the ones. Backups don't normally get reps with the ones.

[B]

No. But I 100% believe that it will hurt your performance because you're just not used to being in the huddle with those guys.

[A]

The cadence is interesting.

[B]

Yeah, the cadence. Everything making the calls at the line of scrimmage, everything that the quarterback position encompasses, it takes time and it takes development. And you don't have time during the middle of a season to develop the backup quarterback.

[A]

Before we go, here are the odds to be the new Arkansas head coach.

[B]

Oh, very important.

[A]

I'm sorry. I put the most important story at the very end of the show.

[B]

We might as well go there.

[A]

We can move it up. No, it's fine. Here at the very, very, very end.

[B]

At the very.

[A]

So at number one right now, at plus 100, he is the favorite. Ryan Silverfield at Memphis.

[B]

I like that.

[A]

I would be happy. I like they beat us this year in Memphis. I don't know why we played in Memphis.

[B]

We're so stupid.

[A]

But we went. Yeah, yeah, it was terrible. It was the beginning of the end.

[B]

Yeah, I feel that.

[A]

Number two, Alex Golish from the University of Southern Florida. Usf.

[B]

Yeah, Hot commodity.

[A]

I like him a lot. Program builder was the OC for hypo at UCF and at Tennessee.

[B]

Knows what he's doing.

[A]

His wife is from northwest Arkansas.

[B]

Oh, well, that's a selling point.

[A]

I went viral when I was like, hey, I'm not asking you about jobs, but, hey, where's your wife from?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Clip blew up. It was awesome. Number three, Bobby Petrino, who is the current interim coach of plus 800. So big jump there from two. I was gonna say big jump from two to three.

[B]

He still got a chance, huh? You said that that was a done deal. He's out.

[A]

I don't think he gets the job.

[B]

You think he gets the job? Only if those other candidates probably turn down the job.

[A]

For the most part.

[B]

Okay. We're stuck with him.

[A]

I. I think he gets the job. If, like, the top four or five people that they want end up not taking the job. Okay, then. And this is why I bring it up, we got two people here at + 1200. Eric Morris, the coach at North Texas, and they're playing great ball.

[B]

Oh, yeah, they're playing really good ball.

[A]

And Jon Gruden.

[B]

John Gruden.

[A]

I don't want that.

[B]

But Marcus Freeman isn't on that list.

[A]

He's not leaving. He's not leaving for any of the jobs. I bet the Texas job ends up opening up. I don't. I don't. I don't think he would leak for that job. Job. I don't think he.

[B]

I don't think.

[A]

What's cold? I hate cold. Have I ever said that on this show? I hate cold.

[B]

No, never.

[A]

And then sumrall at Tulane, so.

[B]

So you got some candidates.

[A]

Here's what I want to say without leaning into any names. I've had at least three coaches call and talk to me personally that are being interviewed for this job.

[B]

Really?

[A]

They're interviewing with. With the body, with the. It's not the board, but it's the committee.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And all of the insiders are saying things like A, B or C. And I'm watching, and it's the first time that I've been on the inside and actually know things. Not that I want to, but they've called to ask questions about the area, the people, et cetera.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Insiders. They don't know anything. I say nothing about it. I don't get online and write. This is what I know at all. I am totally keeping everything confidential because they Called me as, like, a human being. Not as like. So it's not on me to share their business, but I watch all these insiders that run all these boards and subscribe.

[B]

All you gotta do is put clickbait out there, and people that are die hards, they believe that because it's in print ad or it's been reported here.

[A]

Print ad.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

What am I, you know, in the gazette?

[B]

Exactly. What do you. What do you call it these days on the Internet? Twitter.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. On the Internet.

[A]

I watch all these Arkansas insiders talk about all the stuff they know, and they're just not right.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's the first time I've ever seen people be so wrong.

[B]

It even made you.

[A]

People have no idea.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I know nothing other than obviously, you.

[B]

Know a little bit more. If coaches are calling you.

[A]

I've not followed up with a single one because it's not my business.

[B]

Oh, you're not gonna tell them about the area?

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

I've talked.

[A]

No, I've talked to them.

[B]

I thought you were calling, like, find out if. Do they have a chipotle around campus?

[A]

No, I have talked to three coaches that have been interviewed. I have literally had conversations.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

No, but I've not followed up after their interview.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

To be like, how did it go?

[B]

Oh, you should definitely do that then. That's real insider information.

[A]

I don't need the insider information.

[B]

But do you get excited when the coach calls you?

[A]

Oh, one of them I avoided a few times. He called, like, three times.

[B]

I just don't think you're the right fit.

[A]

It's. No, it's not even that. I just don't want to get caught on the phone. I hate talking on the phone, and I knew this person wanted to talk a lot.

[B]

And you're just like, I just don't have time for this.

[A]

I did have time, and I answered the third time he would call when I was doing the show or it was fine.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But I think every single person that's called me, I'd be happy if they got the job.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

All three. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. That'd be great. All right.

[A]

That's the Arkansas minute.

[B]

That's the Arkansas three minutes.

[A]

That's the Arkansas minute. Thanks to artists formerly known as honey badger. Coming on stud.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That's Matt Castle. That's kickoff. Kevin. That's Brandon Ray. We have had lots to say. We'll see you guys next week.

[B]

Bye, everybody.

[A]

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[C]

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