Lots to Say: Preseason Performances and Super Bowl Champion LeRoy Butler

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Bobby Bones Show – Lots to Say: Preseason Performances & Super Bowl Champion LeRoy Butler

Podcast: The Bobby Bones Show
Hosts: Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel
Guest: LeRoy Butler, Super Bowl Champion and Hall of Fame Safety
Date: August 20, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode is a classic mix of lighthearted banter, deep dives into NFL preseason performances, and an inspirational interview with Super Bowl champion LeRoy Butler. Bobby and Matt cover everything from weather complaints and lost sandwiches to in-depth quarterback battles, breakout preseason performances, and end with a moving discussion about Butler’s life, career, and the legendary Lambeau Leap.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Opening Banter: Weather, Aging, and Sandwich Tragedies

• Weather Woes: The hosts open with a conversation about how increasingly hot summers have curtailed outdoor activities, with both reflecting on the blend of aging and record heat waves.
  • “I used to never be the guy that thought it was too hot to do anything… Now, I don't do things because it's too hot.” – Bobby (01:02)
• Sandwich Incident: Bobby shares a humorous and frustrating story where his dog steals his meticulously prepared sandwich—setting the stage for his hangry mood.
  • “I ate three bites of this sandwich...She [the dog] devoured it. There was nothing left except a licking her lips dog and a paper towel.” – Bobby (05:46)

2. Preseason Standouts & Position Battles

Ashton Jeanty – Raiders Running Back

• Analysis: Jeanty's violent running style and immediate impact catches both hosts’ attention.
  • “He runs with such violence, and he goes out there and punishes people… He brings just this energy to the team.” – Matt (10:23)
• Concerns over longevity due to physical play, and parallels to Tyreek Hill's self-preserving running style.

Cleveland Browns Quarterback Room

• Joe Flacco is named the opening day starter. Discussion includes the likely fate of Kenny Pickett and other QBs in the room.
  • “Flacco's the guy. I don't think they see any future with Pickett being the guy looking forward for the next couple of years.” – Bobby (14:20)
• Dylan Gabriel earns praise for a solid preseason despite a pick-six, with keen analysis attributing blame to a receiver error.
  • “That’s what the interception was...completely screwed by the wide receiver on that.” – Matt (15:34)
• Quarterback Rankings: Flacco (1), Gabriel and Shedeur Sanders (2/2A), with critical comments on Pickett’s availability.

Caleb Williams’ First Outing with Bears

• Positive Impressions: He looks in rhythm, poised, and quickly dispels negative narratives from the offseason.
  • “His pocket presence, the ball was coming out on time… He was completely in rhythm in this game.” – Matt (18:11)
• Bears’ Offensive Weapons are noted, with optimism for the team’s direction.

Jackson Dart & Other Preseason QBs

• Jackson Dart is highlighted for his command and consistency.
  • “The dude just looks like he's been in this offense forever.” – Matt (23:26)
• Cam Ward shows flashes but limited production; Joe Milton struggles notably, raising doubts about his NFL prospects.

3. Media, Criticism, and Nick Wright Story (21:01)

• Matt tells the backstory of his complicated relationship with sports commentator Nick Wright, highlighting the tough questions players face—especially during down seasons.
  • “It's always when I first get there...and we sucked. Well, Castle, you suck. And so that's basically him to a T.” – Matt (22:15)

4. Taylor Swift Super Bowl Conspiracy Theories (25:52)

• Bobby shares entertaining fan theories about Taylor Swift subtly revealing she’ll perform at Super Bowl 60, analyzing podcast “Easter eggs.”
  • “She talked about…sourdough bread…60% of the time. Super Bowl LX. LX means 60…Sourdough Sam is the mascot [at Levi's Stadium].” – Bobby (26:24)
• Both agree it’s unlikely but relish the speculative fun.

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Interview with LeRoy Butler (31:23)

Childhood & Coach Bobby Bowden Story

• Butler recounts an inspiring journey from immobility (in a wheelchair, childhood surgeries) to football stardom, crediting Coach Bowden for giving him a scholarship against the odds.
  • “Coach Bowden saved me...He cared about me out of the uniform, and I appreciate that. He was the only school that gave me a scholarship.” – LeRoy Butler (32:04-36:45)

The Lambeau Leap and NFL Traditions

• Origin of the famous celebration, Butler’s pride in the Packers fanbase, and the story of it being allowed only in Green Bay.
  • “I think it's the best celebration because it's not just me doing some weird dance...it's me and the fan base, and that's why I played for one team.” – LeRoy Butler (37:58)
• Matt shares his own “fine” story for attempting a Leap in Kansas City.

Lambeau Field – Tradition & Improvement

• Discussion on the need to preserve the stadium’s outdoor heritage and fan culture, while remaining practical about updates for amenities.

Pioneering the 20 Sack/20 Interception DB Club

• Butler credits his coaches, especially Ray Rhodes and Mike Holmgren, for seeing his hybrid potential and pushing him to make his mark.
  • “How do you become a player people want to emulate or hate? You gotta be one of the three.” – LeRoy Butler (45:40)
  • “Coach Holm walked by my locker and I had on a Michael Jordan shirt...He said, ‘Why don't you wear your shirt?’ I said, ‘Coach, I don't have one.’ He said, ‘Exactly. Go do something. Get your own ass hurt.’” – LeRoy Butler (47:09)

Outlook for the Packers

• Butler is bullish on Jordan Love and expects a leap into the “elite” category, especially now that Love is more settled and recently married.
  • “I expect him to be up there with the Josh Allens [and] Lamar [Jackson]…MVP conversation.” – LeRoy Butler (48:55)
• Candid about the secondary’s vulnerability without Jaire Alexander, especially against the stacked NFC North receivers.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “The best ability is availability. He [Pickett] doesn’t have it, and he’s not the guy.” – Bobby (17:48)
• “I have met probably four people that have the magnetism…Dolly, Garth, Reba, and Taylor.” – Bobby on Taylor Swift (29:20)
• “All I want to do is wear this shirt one time, look good…then I can put on any amount of weight.” – Bobby on his prized 1970s Razorback polo (09:50)
• “I want to cover the best tight end and the best third guy in the slot.” – LeRoy Butler (48:12)

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Notable Timestamps

• 00:22 – Weather complaints and sandwich story
• 10:16 – Ashton Jeanty/Raiders preseason analysis
• 14:20 – Browns’ quarterback situation breakdown (Flacco/Gabriel)
• 18:11 – Caleb Williams’ debut discussed
• 21:01 – Matt’s Nick Wright story, player-media relationships
• 25:52 – Taylor Swift Super Bowl theories
• 31:23 – Start of LeRoy Butler interview
• 32:04 – LeRoy’s emotional Bobby Bowden story
• 37:58 – Lambeau Leap origins
• 40:54 – Lambeau Field traditions & improvements
• 45:40 – The 20 sack/20 interception club and legacy
• 48:55 – Packers’ outlook & Jordan Love discussion
• 52:23 – Packers secondary concerns

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Closing Banter

• Fun back-and-forth about social media handles (“King of the Castle?”), Matt’s upcoming college football TV gig, and Bobby’s willingness to “cut off my pinky” for an Arkansas championship. The show ends on an upbeat, football-obsessed note.

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Tone & Style

The episode maintains its trademark friendly, fast-paced, and irreverent tone—mixing football nerdiness with personal, relatable stories and heartfelt moments (especially during LeRoy Butler's interview). Both hosts balance humor and insight, making the conversation accessible to fans and casual listeners alike.

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This summary covers all significant topics and conversations; listeners interested in specific segments can reference the provided timestamps for a deeper dive.

Transcript

[A]

This is an iHeart podcast. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. We got lots to say. We got lots to say.

[B]

We're glad you're here and we hope you stay.

[A]

Cause we got lots to say. Yeah, we got lots to say. Now here's Bobby in. Welcome the riveting conversations we have before the podcast starts. And today's was weather. And I used to never be the guy that thought it was too hot to do anything. Yeah, I loved playing golf at three because nobody would be on the course because it was so hot. I love anything. And you said, do you play pickleball? And have you recently? I was like, dude, no. Like, I don't do things now because it's too hot.

[C]

It's too hot like at 9am in the morning.

[A]

Like, is it weather or is it age? Like what's getting worse here?

[C]

No, it's definitely weather. I mean, we've been sitting at like that 95 threshold with the humidity where you just walk outside. I mean, I literally this weekend changed my shirt three times in a three hour period just because I was doing some stuff in the garden, working and stuff like that. And I'm sitting there going, what is going on? And there's no reprieve from it. Even when you're in the shade, it's still so hot. It sucks, it sucks.

[A]

It sucks. And it never sucked. And so I start to think maybe I'm just getting older. But then I did look and it's the hottest it's ever been on earth, generally.

[C]

On Earth?

[A]

On earth? Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, that, that doesn't surprise me.

[A]

I feel that like some places aren't as hot, but generally speaking, we're up year to year, decade to decade, and Tampa just had its first ever. This is unbelievable to me. 100 degree day.

[C]

Tampa had a 100 degree day.

[A]

I can't believe Tampa's never had a day.

[C]

I was just about to say ever.

[A]

First 100 degree day ever. You know who hasn't had a 100 degree day is Honolulu, Hawaii.

[C]

Yeah, that's a pretty nice place. I'm not going to lie. It's always pretty nice down there or out there.

[A]

Still, I think it'd be hot. I would have expected Tampa to have had 1,100.

[C]

I've been in Orlando in the summer, going to Disneyland with my kids. Worst mistake ever of your life. Because you're out there and it is just you're dripping and you're in shorts and you're soaking Wet. It feels like you just got to have a shower. But you know that you're going to go the entire day. You can't drink enough water either.

[A]

Going from memory here, do you know what cities had the most 100 degree days?

[C]

Most 100 degree days? Going from memories.

[A]

I should Google this. But it has to be a city. So it has to be an area where, you know, there's the news.

[C]

There's the news.

[A]

I made that up. But like, but like a rated media market.

[C]

Okay. It's got to be somewhere in the South.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Okay. I'm gonna go with Birmingham, Alabama.

[A]

Not, not bad. What I saw that was over 1100 degree days was Oklahoma City.

[C]

Oklahoma City, huh?

[A]

Now I think Phoenix is the heat leader of all time. Phoenix logs about 111 days per year where highs hit 100 degrees Fahrenheit more than any other city.

[C]

It's a dry heat though. They always say, oh well, it's a dry. No. When it's 115 degrees out and I've been there in the desert when it's that time, you're still melting.

[A]

Yeah. It's different though.

[C]

It is different because you don't sweat.

[A]

As much and it doesn't feel like you're breathing in a blanket.

[C]

It still feels it still. I mean, your face is melting.

[A]

Yeah. Still sucks.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Before I came down here, I had made a sandwich and it was a great sandwich. And when I do this show, nobody cares, but please indulge me for a second.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Wake up, butt crack early. Go. And I do the radio show. I do like all the commercials in the morning. I cut all my city liners for, you know, the 200 cities we're in. I then go on the air and do my thing. Then we do like a whole extra hour of podcast. And today I had interviews with Chase Elliott, the NASCAR driver.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

I had the ting tings and they were in Spain. You remember the song that's not my name.

[C]

That's not my name.

[A]

They call me Stacy. Had them. I had Blake Shelton today. I had.

[C]

My God.

[A]

It was just a. It's a heavy day, a pretty busy day. And so I run and I got here like 10 minutes, maybe not even 10, five minutes before you got here. But I pulled in, took a good solid four minutes to make a sandwich. A good sandwich because good sandwich.

[C]

So what's a good sandwich consist of?

[A]

Well, I don't even slow my day down enough to appreciate the sandwich, but I think I'm going to do it. So I got my bread.

[C]

Okay. What kind of bread did we go with? You're like a whole grain guy.

[A]

I'm really a, A white bread guy. That's what I grew up on.

[C]

Wonder bread.

[A]

Yeah. But my wife does not like that as much cuz it's not healthy for. So it's some sort of healthier bread.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Not even sure what kind of bread it is, but my wife made steak and cut it into slice. So I put the steak on the bread, then I sliced two tomatoes.

[C]

Yes. Did you toast it?

[A]

The bread was not toast. I don't like the bread toasted for sandwiches. Yeah, I put mustard on it. I. I put little spinach things on it. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to take five minutes and slow down my day and enjoy this sandwich before we do this show. And so I take like three bites. My wife is upstairs, she's like, hey, would you mind bringing me a water? And I was like, you cook the steak, I don't mind bringing you water. Sure. Take sandwich, put it up on, on the bar in the kitchen. Walk up, I come back down and there is no sandwich on the bar. And there's two dogs below the bar.

[C]

Oh my God.

[A]

One of the dogs is a short, fat bulldog who's just like hanging out. The other dog is a very tall, like husky hound who's licking her lips.

[C]

Oh, dude, no.

[A]

They're both staring at me like, thank.

[C]

You so much for that great sandwich.

[A]

The bulldog got none. She ate the whole freaking thing. I ate three bites of this sandwich. It had to be 20 seconds. She devoured it. There was nothing left except a licking her lips dog and a paper towel.

[C]

So that's why you walked in. You're a little bit hot when you walked in. At least that's what I spent good.

[A]

Time on that sandwich. I've had no lunch juvial self.

[C]

And you're sitting here and you kind of walked in.

[A]

So stupid.

[C]

Bobby Bones is in the house and nothing.

[A]

Yeah, I was pissed. I was a little pissed.

[C]

Now I know why.

[A]

Also, I'm a little angry. Oh my God.

[C]

No need to get a protein bar.

[A]

No, I need to give myself a few minutes to do things but pack the day so tight. But yeah, today was an exceptionally heavy interview day.

[C]

But you don't have any food over there at the studio that they can like put out a little something for.

[A]

You or I still would not make the time.

[C]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I've got, I got to eat. I'm one of those people. If I don't eat, I'm going To be a different type of person. I'm going to be irritable. I'm going to say things and be snap. I'm going to snap at one of my kids. I'm going to do that. But if I eat, I'm all good. I'll have a little bit more patience. So if you snap at me today, I'm totally. I'm with it. I understand.

[A]

You're not generally in any way whatsoever. I don't snap, I don't yell, period. And I think I've worked with Brandon and Kevin in different capacities because Brandon, who's running video, is a plus guitar player, a plus singer, both. And Brandon still plays with me, I would say with me. He does most of the work and makes me look like I'm good.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And so Brandon and I have been on the road for years and years together. I don't think I've ever yelled once. Right. I mean, he's never yelled at you anybody. I don't yell. Kevin and Kevin and I work in the radio, radio podcast world together every day. I. That's not my style at all.

[C]

No, no.

[A]

Your voice. No, you never raise your voice.

[C]

But does he. Is it like a disappointed dad when he talks?

[A]

Oh, that can happen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You can turn Brandon's mic on too.

[C]

100%. There's a dis.

[A]

A little too passionate about this. Brandon, go ahead.

[C]

100%. Yes. Where. Where it's like, it's a little bit passive, but you know.

[A]

Oh, it's definitely passive.

[C]

It, it, it's one of those things where I'm not going to hit you with the aggressive nature, but at the same time you're going to know I'm disappointed.

[A]

Yeah, I can agree with that.

[C]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[A]

I think that's almost worse.

[C]

It's almost worse because you're. Because you can't figure out in his mind, like what you did wrong, but you know you did something wrong. That's a good point.

[A]

I think people can figure it out pretty quick. I think I'm just not aggressive in any way. And I'm not a hangry snap kind of guy. I'm a lose energy guy.

[C]

Yeah, I could see that. How do you not crash if you don't eat?

[A]

Yeah, I'm trying to get below like 180 right now.

[C]

Why? It's football season coming up. Do you want to get ready?

[A]

The real reason I'm glad you asked because I was a little confused myself as well. I was trying to get. Because I'm not on television consistently now, so I Don't care. When I was on television all the time, I like to keep it around 172, 173.

[C]

Are you one of those believers that, like, camera puts on a few pounds?

[A]

Not believer. It's absolute truth.

[C]

Oh, I'm gonna look so fucking.

[A]

It's absolute truth. And so, you know, when I was doing whatever show, I like to stay around 172, 173. And I weighed myself yesterday. I'm like 181. I've been trying to get below the 180 mark, only because I have one shirt that I don't really look great in, and I don't really care about the number, but if I drop, like, five pounds, I'm gonna look great in this shirt.

[C]

So the whole goal is just to be able to wear this one, one shirt. And why. Why is the shirt something that represents, like, that you want to wear it?

[A]

Thank you for asking.

[C]

And it's. It's that meaningful.

[A]

Thank you for asking. I found it on ebay. It's a, like, a 1970s Arkansas Razorback Polo coaches shirt.

[C]

Oh, I thought it was going to be a jersey for sure.

[A]

No, I'd get a bigger jersey, but with, like, a big coach's collar. It's so legit. And I think sizes were smaller back then because we weren't as fat as a society.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And so it's a. It's a legitimate 1970s medium. Now I can wear a legitimate 2025 medium, but this is a 1970s medium, and it's just a little trim.

[C]

Yeah, we need to.

[A]

And I need to get.

[C]

All I want to do is for the rest of the day, I just.

[A]

Want to wear this shirt one time, look good, I never have to wear it again, and I can put on any amount of weight, but I want to wear this shirt and feel good because I love the shirt so much.

[C]

That's very cool. So you've never worn the shirt?

[A]

I put it on whenever I got it, and I was like, you're trying to wear it for week one. No, I don't think I can get there for week one.

[C]

Come on, Coach.

[A]

But it's some dude. It's such a legit shirt.

[C]

You got to wear it to a game.

[A]

It's such a legit shirt. I glad everybody's here. Let's do our thing where we don't know what each other's going to talk about. We got a few things to present. You want to go first this week?

[C]

Sure, go ahead. First, I'm going to start with Ashton Jinty, did you see this dude run the other day?

[A]

Yeah, he's a maniac.

[C]

He's a maniac. I mean, he runs with such violence, and he goes out there and punishes people that are our would be tacklers that are coming up to try to make a tackle on him. He's so much fun to watch. He brings just this energy to the team. And he even went into the blue tent for a second. I thought he was going to be, you know, it's preseason game. What does it matter? Comes right back out and runs through some defender's face. I mean, the guy is special.

[A]

Probably got a sandwich.

[C]

Might get a sandwich. I think he did eat before the game.

[A]

Yeah, probably got a sandwich.

[C]

Definitely ate before the game. So watching him, I was excited about that because there was a lot of hype behind him in college. And obviously coming out, he goes to the Raiders. I thought it was a great draft pick. And when you watched him on the field, you see immediately what they. What he's going to bring to that team.

[A]

Do you find yourself rooting?

[B]

Root?

[A]

I know rooting is a weird word when you're in your profession. Rooting for the Raiders a little more because Coach Carol is the coach there.

[C]

Oh, 100%. I think NFL, it's all about relationships, and especially when you leave the game, it's guys that you played with, maybe coaches that you've come across or that they coached with you. And so you're always rooting for those type of people. And Coach Carol's one of those guys that I will always have an affinity for, even though he never played me in college, other than a position that I didn't want to play, but at the same time, an amazing guy. And so I want to see him have success and be able to turn that organization around.

[A]

Do we want to commit? And I know we both have busy schedules. You're a busy guy doing your college football. Do we want to commit to going out there once this year?

[C]

We need to. That stadium looked out amazing. When we went out to Big Ten media day, it was right across the street from the Mandalay Bay where we stayed. And that place, I heard, is incredible.

[A]

And I've never met Coach Carroll before.

[C]

Oh, you guys would get hit it off right away.

[A]

Why? Why do you say that?

[C]

He's just so personable and he's funny.

[A]

So he hits it off with everybody talking about me.

[C]

I don't even know if he's got any enemies. He's one of those guys. He's super.

[A]

I only have enemies it's the opposite.

[C]

Well, they're. They're gunning for you, dude. When you're at the top dog, they're gunning for you, bro.

[A]

Know about that.

[C]

That's what happens.

[A]

The Ashton Gentee situation is interesting to me because he runs so hard even during preseason where I'm like, bro, like.

[C]

There is part of that take a.

[A]

Third of a step back because it ain't that important. And two, A back like that is going to hit so many people so hard so many times that the nature of it is you're going to get dinged.

[C]

That's the nature of the beast, especially at the running back position is. Longevity of a running back in the NFL is a lot shorter than other positions just because of the punishment. Not only that they take, but they give out as well. In that type of running style, he will have to learn how to protect himself. When. When there's. You're by the sideline and there's two defenders coming up, instead of trying to run them over, step out of bounds, save yourself. Somebody that does it really well is Tyreek Hill. Tyreek Hill is one of those guys. Look, when he knows the play's over, he's going to go down, he's going to protect himself, and I think that helps with his longevity. But at the same time, you don't want it to take away from the strength of his game, which is his physicality.

[A]

He's also changed his running style, which they addressed way early on, and that he's not going to stand straight up and just chill. He is going to. I mean, it's an eighth of a difference change. Like he. He is down a bit, right? But he's gonna be a man out there until or unless he gets hurt.

[C]

Oh, he. He's. He is a man. You saw it the other day.

[A]

Okay, I'll go. Let's take our little airplane over to Cleveland and something we've been talking about a bit. Everybody is. It's a quarterback situation in Cleveland. And I'll start with Joe Fl. Flacco. He has been named, as we expected, the opening day starter for the Browns. And so we'll talk about this in a few different ways. One, Flacco is the guy there. Now they have two rookie quarterbacks and they have Kenny Pickett, who they just traded for, which is interesting because they're gonna have to cut two of the five quarterbacks. So I think Snoop's gone. Huntley. Snoop's gone because they brought him in late just in case. I think he's gone. I think Kenny Pickett is also probably going to be gone, and they just traded for him. Flacco's the guy. I don't think they see any future with Pickett being like, the guy looking forward for the next couple of years. And then you look at the preseason games and, yeah, I glaciered her a little last week for sure. But I would also like to glaze for a second Dylan Gabriel. And I know a lot of people go well through a pick six. I watched the pick six from, like, three different angles, and so I'll get really granular here for a second. The two receivers were both in the same exact spot. Somebody ran the wrong route on that interception.

[C]

Well, it was a tight end, right? The tight end had the flat, then you had the deep crosser, and then you had the guy behind him. So when the tight end felt like he was covered, what he did was he ran behind the defender. And so he.

[A]

He.

[C]

Then all of a sudden, he clouded the crossing route. Right? There's two guys in the same area. Then it looked like he was coming back forward and gave Dylan Gabriel the impression that he was going to come back to the ball. He throws it.

[A]

He pulled his hands back, and then.

[C]

He pulled his hands back. Like, wait, that's not for me. Yes.

[A]

And that's what the interception was completely.

[C]

Screwed by the wide receiver on that. And even Kevin Stancy mentioned that after the game, we had two guys in the same area. It should have never happened. It was the one blimp on the entire performance.

[A]

I would also like to glaze fairly Dylan Gabriel.

[C]

He was a stud.

[A]

He was. And he's not getting the. He was a stud credit because of the pick six. Because I don't think if you just look at the headlines, you see that he threw the pick six. And looking at it in real time, fast, it was like, bad pass, dude never got touched.

[C]

Right? 100%.

[A]

Dylan Gabriel played really well with a slightly more sophisticated offensive scheme in week two. And so Flacco is the guy they trade. Snoop, they probably are going to trade Pickett unless one of the rookies stays hurt. Shan play because of an oblique injury. Dylan Gabriel did also. Dylan Gabriel. This has been talked about a bunch, but I knew when he said that there are performers and they're entertainers, whatever, I knew he wasn't talking about shadow.

[C]

100%. He's not going to throw shade on. You're going to be in the same room. Everybody's going to take it the way that they're going to take it. But at the end of the day, that's not the type of person I got to sit down with. Dylan Gabriel last year. You've met Dylan Gabriel when you're out at Oregon, didn't you, last spring? He's an incredible person. He's a team first guy, and he would never say anything that is going to bring animosity toward each other in that room. That's just not the way he operates.

[A]

I put Flacco 1 and Dylan Gabriel and shooter at 2 and 2A.

[C]

I think that's what you're going to go with. I mean, and I think it was a really important performance by Dylan Gabriel because, again, the pressure was all on him to go out there to perform after Shador went and played the way that he did in the first preseason game. But it was throw after throw. He was in rhythm, the accuracy was there, the timing. He looked like he was a guy that could operate that offense at a really high level.

[A]

Right now it'll be interesting to see because Cleveland hits a really rough patch. Well, Cleveland's not that good, so most of their season's a rough patch, so it'll be interesting to see what happens with that situation. I just wanted to come on and fairly give Dylan Gabriel his flowers as well because I thought he played really well and he was kind of screwed over on that interception. So, Flacco, week one, Dylan Gabriel still at two. Well, Kenny Pickett is still listed at two. I just don't consider him existing anymore. I think they can probably trade him.

[C]

I've seen him yet.

[A]

Well, he's been hurt. Yeah, the best ability is availability. He doesn't have it, and he's not the guy.

[C]

Yeah, you're not the guy. And when you're in a quarterback battle, you have to be able to go out there and play to prove yourself to the evaluators, to your coaching staff, to your team and everybody. And if you don't get that opportunity, whether you're hurt or not, then you're going to be the guy, the odd man out.

[A]

All right, you're next. Give it to me.

[C]

Caleb Williams, first. First appearance that we got to see him this season with Ben Johnson, new offensive scheme. A lot has been made about him this, this off season in terms of what they wanted. Timing, footwork, all those things. I think he had an outstanding day. When you watched him, his pocket presence, the ball was coming out on time. He was in rhythm. And I think when you watch Caleb Williams, some of the knocks on him was that he would hold the ball, he'd look for the big play, scramble around, not throw in rhythm. He was completely in rhythm in this game. And the anticipation. The second throw of the game down the middle, I think it was the Colson Loveland, the tight end over the linebacker. It was an absolute dart he made throw after throw. I was really impressed. And you've got to feel good if you're Ben Johnson watching that, because he's been harping on this kid and pushing him, trying to get the best out of him and preaching this all offseason. And to get their first outing to go out there and perform the way that he did, it was great.

[A]

Yeah, I have no dog in the fight about Caleb Williams and the Bears because I don't love or hate either the team or the player. So this comes from a place where I have no bias at all. I was happy to see him perform well because everything, the entire narrative was, he can't keep up with the offense. And they would snip and clip little things from practice. Like, look at him huffing and puffing after he. He's so sad he's marching off the field.

[C]

Or the bad interception that he threw, that one that went viral and everybody, oh, Bears are going to suck.

[A]

The engagement getter was anything where Caleb Williams was sucking in practice, 100%. And so I was happy to see him perform well because that shuts that down, at least for a while. And it would be nice to see the Bears be good. That would be kind of cool.

[C]

They've got some weapons. And I do think Ben Johnson's one of those coaches that's going to get the most out of his players because he's going to demand excellence. He's going to set an expectation, and you've got to rise to that expectation. And because of that reason, he's going to make that group better.

[A]

DJ Moore, Roma Dunze. They just drafted the wide receiver from Missouri, Colson Loveland. Colson Loveland. The rookie tied it. Yeah.

[C]

Luther Burton.

[A]

Yep. And so third. Oh, that's a good point. Because the second I was like, man. But third.

[C]

Let's go. Third dog.

[A]

Let's go.

[C]

Yeah, they've got some dudes.

[A]

That's cool. My second topic that I'd like to bring is I heard you mentioned on a podcast this week, and I'm not sure if it ever got back to you. I was listening to Nick Wright. Are you familiar with Nick Wright from your Kansas City days?

[C]

Oh, yeah. I didn't like him. And when I was a kid, I'll be the first one. He probably knows it too. He was always the guy in the presser that would come in be like, yeah, hey, Castle, you look like you're behind on that pass. What happened on that one interception? I was like, dude, the guy fell down. But you can't explain, like, oh, that's on me. He just. He was looking to just ruin you every time.

[A]

Is hilarious. So as I don't know Nick at all. Massive Kansas City fan, obviously. Yeah, I think he is one of the smartest. He is sports commentators. He's like the guy when I'm like, dude's brilliant. That being said, he was talking about when. And he had addressed the Shedeur talking to a reporter situation in Cleveland after Shedeur has week one preseason. And he's like, hey, why do you talk so bad? But he was kind of kidding. Like, Shooter was smiling, but he was actually asking the question, right? And he was. He said, you know, this happens. He's like, it's not uncommon. And he had mentioned a time where you were in, and you kind of said the same thing with him.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And he was like, why? You were like, yo, why you write this? Like. Like, you.

[C]

I probably did, dude, because I was. I had to see his ass every day. He was like a beat reporter. I was like, oh, God, here comes Nick again. And. And he's a really smart, intelligent guy. Like. Like, yeah, he studies the game. I mean, but there were football questions, too, that he. It was out of his realm, but he could articulate something to make a point. And so then I probably. I'm for sure said it at some point. I was just so frustrated, like, dude, what's your deal?

[A]

And those questions usually only come when it's a frustrating time for the player, answering them 100%.

[C]

It's not when things are going great and we're going to the playoffs. It's. It's always when I first get there, and it's my first season with the Kansas City Chiefs, and we're 4 and 12. My number one wide receiver is out for six games that year, and we couldn't get anything going. We won four games. Like, we struggled. So, I mean, it just added fuel to the fire. And so, of course, every single time I come in, you know, Castle gets a new contract, comes in, and we suck. Well, Castle, you suck. And so that's basically him to a T. Now. The tone changes a little bit the following year when we go out and we win the division, but again, it's always dealing with the. The highs and lows. But when it's low, they're just, they smell blood in the water, they're coming to get you.

[A]

Oh, he wasn't being disrespectful to you. He was just talking about that same situation with you whenever you were frustrated and you were like, yo, why are you writing stuff all the time about me like this when it's not fair to write it?

[C]

Yeah, well, sometimes you just gotta ask. But that's what sells, right? Controversy sells and all that stuff. And that's why they do it.

[A]

All right, you're up.

[C]

Am I up again?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I thought Jackson Dart had another dude.

[A]

I got all the stats. He was awesome.

[C]

It was awesome. I mean, the dude just looks like he's been in this offense forever. And I think that they've done some stuff. Day Ball has schematically that he did at Ole Miss that made him comfortable. But it's always interesting too because even if you watch the sequence of plays, they get him in a rhythm early, right? They have some screen passes, some shorter stick, three step routes, and then all of a sudden they start to push the ball down the field. But some of the throws he made over the middle, the one that it was a deep middle crossing route that he threw in front of the safety, over the linebacker, that was awesome. They did a little play fake. That was a touchdown pass. He just looks very confident.

[A]

He looks ready.

[C]

He looks ready.

[A]

I know it's preseason, that's the thing.

[C]

You got to temper expectations here. But it's preseason. But at the same time, preseason is the precursor to season and you want to see guys go out and look comfortable, have command of the offense and have success. And that's exactly what he's doing.

[A]

Game 2 versus the Jets. 14 of 16, 137. One passing, touchdown, one rushing, touchdown. It's his second game in a row where he's really looked good and he's had dynamic moments. But the best part is he's had very consistent moments, even throwing short like he. Again, you'll never go broke if you take a profit, right? And that's what he was doing.

[C]

Decision making. Yeah, it's all about decision making. Especially when you, you see a lot of these young guys come in, they're trying to make a play. It doesn't look like he's forcing anything. He's seeing the defense. It looks like it's slowed down for him and he's confident with where he's going with the ball.

[A]

Speaking of, I made notes. I watched all the cam Ward's game. Two snaps, he was 2 for 7. He didn't look the best, although they weren't really stretching him. He threw a great ball that was dropped like his best ball. He threw.

[C]

Oh, the ball. The deep crossing route. Was it Jefferson?

[A]

I haven't lost any faith in Cam Ward again because it's preseason game two. He threw seven times through.

[C]

Seven times.

[A]

Yeah. I have a.

[B]

What?

[A]

By the way, you know who's not good is Joe Milton.

[C]

Joe Milton.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

He struggled again. Yeah, yeah. He's.

[A]

He's like bam, Bam from the Flintstones. And I think he only has one mode. Bam. Throw the ball.

[B]

Bam.

[C]

I think some of it now is a confidence issue. Right. Because as a quarterback, you go out there, you have a good performance, and it's okay to struggle a little bit in preseason, but to consistently struggle, the way that he has, that plays into your psyche as a quarterback and especially as a guy that's trying to make the team and make an impression. So I think that that's got to be something that's wearing on him right now.

[A]

And my final of the three, I'm going to talk about all the supposed Easter eggs in the Taylor Swift New Heights interview that is making people think she's playing the halftime show at the Super Bowl. I would like to say I don't think she is.

[C]

You don't think she is?

[A]

I don't think she is. I don't think she has a reason to. She doesn't need it.

[C]

And the Chiefs might be there.

[A]

Yeah. I don't think she wants to overshadow Travis Kelce. But let me feed you some of these, because, listen, she plants these Easter eggs a year in advance.

[C]

She's amazing. Who thinks of this stuff.

[A]

So, number one on the podcast, she talked about how she loves to make sourdough bread, and she thinks about it 60% of the time. Super Bowl LX. LX means 60. It's Levi Stadium, 2026. The host team is the San Francisco 49ers. They have a mascot named Sourdough Sam.

[C]

Do they really? Do they really have a. I've never heard that.

[A]

Sourdough Sam is the name of their mascot. So she joked about making Sourdough, and she thinks about making it 60% of her time. Sourdough Sam is the mascot.

[C]

I'm sure she's doing the halftime show.

[A]

Okay, let's move on to number two. Taylor thanked Jason Kelsey, his brother, for screaming for 47 seconds during introductions. Because when he introduced like Taylor at the beginning of the podcast, it's an odd number to just say 47 seconds. That same number corresponds to the 47th stop of her eras tour, which was at Levi's Stadium, the venue for Super Bowl 60. Wow. Okay, you want more?

[C]

Yes, give me more, give me more.

[A]

Obviously, Taylor loves numbers and loves the number 13. That's her favorite number.

[C]

13 is, huh?

[A]

Right? Isn't that it? 13.

[C]

Yeah, sure.

[A]

So the clue 47 seconds, also numerically links her to four plus seven. Hold on, listen, I'm trying to. No, I know, but she does this crap. Here we are. Taylor adores numerology. The clue 47 seconds, numerically links her to lucky number by summing 13 times four plus seven. And it's also Jason Travis, Kelsey's 13th NFL season.

[C]

Man, there's so much to unravel here.

[A]

So four plus seven?

[C]

Yeah, just do the math. Anybody got a calculator?

[A]

I don't know, dude. And I wrote that down and I'm sure I messed something up on that one. Okay, here's another one. There was in the podcast a replica Lombardi trophy awarded to super bowl champions. Obviously, that appears prominently between Taylor and Travis. Fans think it's an intentional placement, so there's a lot.

[C]

But I thought this.

[A]

The Sourdough Sam was good. I thought the 47 was interesting because the 40. The 47 seconds, 60%. The 47th tour stop, which is Levi's Stadium, where they're having the Super Bowl. The 60%.

[C]

All that, man. There's a lot of crossover here.

[A]

It's a theory. Well, we don't know who it's going to be.

[C]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that she might have that in the works.

[A]

You ever met Taylor?

[C]

Have not. Have not. I'm guessing you have spent plenty of time with her.

[A]

I've met her a few times.

[C]

Met her a few times backstage.

[A]

No, no, I have nothing.

[C]

Did you ever go on a date?

[A]

I have.

[B]

No.

[A]

No, I have nothing. I've met her a few times.

[C]

You've met her a few times, huh?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Nice person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's extremely magnetic.

[C]

That's what it seems like. Her personality.

[A]

I've met probably four people that have the magnetism that A plus tier magnetism. And those people are Dolly. Dolly, Garth, Reba, and Taylor.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Pure magnetism. You think the entire world revolves around you when they're with you because they are so focused on making you feel seen that you do. And you walk away going, I think I'm that person's best friend.

[C]

I think. I think we kind of get along.

[A]

So Taylor has that. Yeah, I've met her a bunch of times.

[C]

She's A superstar. I mean, she is the superstar.

[A]

I will not disagree with you. She is the superstar.

[C]

The superstar.

[A]

Yes, yes. We'll take a break. I'll tell you more during the break. All right, we'll take a break and we will come back. All right, we're gonna go talk with Leroy Butler, who played safety for his entire career with the Green Bay Packers. A really interesting childhood story. I think you could talk about this for a second because he was in a wheelchair.

[C]

In a wheelchair. They said, I think he was pigeon toed or something like that. They had to break his feet and he was in a cast or in a wheelchair for like eight months. But then I guess he had some other physical ailments and they had braces on his legs until he was like 8 years old. And then they said one day his sister was running out to play and he somehow got up to run after her and the braces fell off. It literally is the movie Forrest Gump. And all of a sudden he realized he can run, he can do all that. And he went right outside, started playing kickball. And within two years he's out there on the football field playing Pop Warner youth sports and starts to be elite and just incredible, incredible story.

[A]

Hall of fame, 2022, packers hall of fame back in 2007. Florida state university hall of fame, 2001. Just four time all pro, four time pro bowl, 1990s, all decade, first team consensus all American of Florida State. And he's on with us now. Here he is, Leroy Buck. Hey, Leroy, we appreciate you being here. Thank you for the time. I do want to start, if it's okay with you, because I have a Coach Bowden signed helmet up in my, like, my room. I got like three. The room's all. It's a great room, got multiple screens. But I do have this Florida State helmet. Coach Bowden signed for me way back in the day. What was he like to play for? Ooh.

[B]

Now this is emotional. Now if you know my story, because Coach Bowden saved me. Because real quick, keep. I'm from the inner city, single parent, the Blodgett Homes in Duval County, Jacksonville, Florida. I was a Prop 48 student and I wasn't eligible to play. And I just remember I was a consensus All American in high school. I got all these letters from all these universities. Then they just stopped. And when they stopped, I was like, oh, my goodness. But I love teachers. And my favorite teacher, Ms. Gordon, she was like, what's wrong? I said, well, I can't go to college because I didn't pass the SAT test. She said, well, that's not true. You can still go, but you're just not eligible to play your freshman year. I said, well, nobody. You know, just back in the 80s, they play freshmen. They don't red shirt you. If you're All American, you can play. So I'm thinking they never. I just need one. Yes. Of all these universities and that one yes was Coach Bobby Bow. She gave me eight quarters. I said, what are the quarters for? She said, you go call Tallahassee and you're going to talk to Coach Bow. He's going to explain. I said, what are the quarters for? She said, well, you got to go to the phone booth. We had phone booths back then. Matt wasn't born. This was a long time ago. So I went. I said, hello. She said, this is Sue Hall. Whole sugar for Coach Bow. And I said, I thought God was talking to me. He said, we gotta do a home visit. I said, coach, please, we can't do a home visit. I stayed the projects. A lot of violence. I crime. No coming to the projects to give you a scholarship. He comes down the following Wednesday, following me on my bicycle. I mean, it was purple, the tire was flat, the chain comes off. But I'm excited. Coach Bowden is following me in the convoy of cars, and he told my mom, I'm giving him a scholarship. I got to get him out of this atmosphere. And then I asked, coach, why did you come to my house? He said, well, I read your bio, and your bio said you were saved. And I'm a man of faith. You're the kind of young man I want. I know you can't play your freshman year, but don't worry about it. So when people bring up Coach Bowden, it's different for every player. I'm sure it is. But he was different because he cared about me out of the uniform, and I appreciate that. He was the only school that gave me a scholarship. And I think the rules were, any university can give five kids a scholarship, but they're not eligible. But they got four years of college. And I don't know if people know this, your audience, but every year you have to renew your scholarship. They say they're going to give you four years, but every year they renew it. And if you want to transfer, you could. So I'm thinking, well, I didn't play. I'm just glad to be here. But he renewed it all those years. And so Coach Bowden is different. He's a different man. And I just love playing for Him. And real quick to wrap it up, I remember I was sitting at the Burt Reynolds. Shout out to Burt Reynolds, rest in peace. He got this amazing complex. He bought it with Burt Reynolds Hall. And I was sitting there and we was playing Clemson, and he came over to me. He said, you remember that play, right? I said, what play you talking about coaching? The one we did in practice that never worked? Yeah, that one. We're going to do it against Florida at the end of the year. We always say something Florida. And I never forget that he chose me to run the punt. Ruski, fake punt. Everybody in your audience, please go look it up. Don't look at how slow I'm running. Put that to the side. Don't do that. Could I. Don't do that. Look at where we are on the field, what down it was and where we had to go to win two top five teams in Death Valley and Clemson. Only coach Bobby Bowden will risk it because he wanted that biscuit and he chose me. So I owe a lot to Coach Bobby Bowen. I mean, I'm sorry. That was long.

[A]

But, no, give it to us.

[C]

I love it.

[A]

We love it.

[B]

I love it. I just need a lot. I'm trying not to cry, because when you see my documentary, you'll say, now I see what Leroy was saying because he did so much for us.

[C]

I mean, you have that punt, Ruski, right? That was a legendary play for the Florida State in that moment. Then all of a sudden, you go and you get drafted by the Green Bay packers in the second round. It's your rookie year. You force the fumble, they pitch it back. You go, obviously, you're the godfather. You got the Lambeau Leap. But I do have a funny story for you. So it was. I was in Kansas City and I threw a touchdown to Dwayne Bowe. It was a long touchdown run. All of a sudden, I finally get down there and he jumped up in the stands. Well, I go and I follow him up because I've been watching the Lambeau leap forever, right? And you, obviously, you started the whole thing. So I jump up there, and we're in Kansas City. Well, the next day, the league sends out an official fine. I got a 5 or $10,000 fine from the league because the only place in the NFL that you can do the Lambeau Leap is Lambeau. But can you talk about, did you. Well, one, did you. Let's talk about that play. But two, did the league ever push back on you for jumping into the stands when you played?

[B]

Matt, I've been Asked about the league 10 million times up there. Serious. That's the funniest story no one has ever asked me. Did they find me or did they. Did Paul Tagley boo. I mean, no one's ever asked me that part, so that's a good question. First of all, whenever a quarterback does anything and it's embarrassing, it's not on you, it's on the team. That's first of all. So we just. We give y' all a lot of that. Because I remember Brett Favreau do guys with a fireman's carry and carry them around, and Hungrum said, stop doing that. But it's just a connection. But I remember after I did it, Hongdom came over to me. He said, they're gonna find your. I said, for what? I went in and hugged the owner, which our shareholders are our owners, so. But I think it's the best celebration because it's not just me doing some weird dance. Although the icky shuffle is fire, it's me and the fan base, and that's why I played for one team. Sometimes it's not your fault, and sometimes the team just get rid of you, and sometimes you want to go into the darkness. But put that to the side. I never wanted to leave this fan base, and that's what the Lambo elite did for me because it shows how much Leroy Butler loves the fan base. So when I see other people do it, I love it. I do love it. And they should give you your money back.

[C]

They actually did. They did. I told them, I said, look, number one, I hardly made it up into the stands because I don't jump that high. Number two, I was tired as hell by the time I got down there. And number three, now that I know that I'm not allowed to jump in the stands, I won't do it. And, you know, it's. All those ex players are on that panel, and they're like, all right, we'll resent the fine. So they gave me my money back.

[B]

Oh, good for you.

[C]

Thank you. Thank you. I fought it in court, and I. I represented myself. I thought I did pretty.

[A]

Leroy, question about Lambeau Field in general, we've talked about different stadiums and how, you know, some of these cities, they should never dome up. For example, Buffalo never don't. Green Bay never don't, because that's as much a part of the stadium, the weather, the conditions as. As anything. What do you think? Lambeau should always keep consistent. But what do you also think that they could change about the stadium and make it A little more friendly.

[B]

Well, full disclosure, I'm on the board, so mess up my ticket. But I think the reason why they put me on the board, I don't have a filter. It's baked in the cake. So I'll be very honest with you. I will. I remember we played in Milwaukee. Matter of fact, let's go back when I got the phone call on a rotary phone from Lindy and Fonte said they were going to draft me in the second round. And he said, do you have any questions? I said, yes, sir. Where's Green Bay? Because I've never been to Wisconsin. Florida, boy. Matter of fact, in my geography class, I took a nap. I never thought I would go to Detroit. Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, I forget about it. I'm always stay south. So when we played in Milwaukee for a couple years, it was fantastic. Then I heard a rumor, because I'm very nosy. We may move to stadium out of Lambeau, to Appleton or Madison. Nope, we're going to keep it here and build around it. And then I found out I have six girls and my. I have six daughters and my son. My son's my favorite, by the way. Just throwing that out there just in case my kids see. I said, wait a minute. How many people on this list? 28, 206 people waiting for tickets. Tickets for season tickets. Lambeau is different because one of my best friends in the world, Barry Sanders, I saw him yesterday. Herman Moore, the people we played twice, you know, people at the Bears, what y' all feel when y' all coming into the stadium, y' all drive up. He said, man, we could feel it. Lambo know what it's like, man. You ever seen the Gladiator?

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Right before he. You entertained. But it's like that at halftime. Nobody. Wait a minute. It's like that in the parking lot when they're tailgating. Matter of fact, it's like that every single day. That's all we have. Lambeau Field in Green Bay. That's it. When I played, it was 68,009. Close to 90,000 with the sweets. We have the biggest scoreboards of any team. We made $380 million in the pandemic. Because we're owned by shareholders. We got to show our books that G. When you drive up the Lambeau Field, it's different. And I thought driving up to Florida State Stadium, because our stadium was a massive stadium, it's right on campus. But this is in the middle of a neighborhood. And to boot, they gave us the draft. We had 200 some thousand people every day, Wednesday on through the draft. And when I first. I have to tell you, my first game as a rookie, real quick, this is. I still think about this. I'm in. I'm in the. I'm a. Like a. I was like the Nickelback. And we were playing, I think Cleveland. I think it was like the first five games just happened, this thought process. And I remember Dick Jaron, rest in peace. He came over to me, he said, you're going to start. I was just stretching, and he came over to me, you're going to start. I said, what? Say, coach? And he walked off. That's when I said to myself, it's two times. I was glad our pants are yellow. Yes.

[A]

Serious.

[B]

I said, oh, my God, I'm gonna start. And the other time, I almost wet myself. They said, you're the nickelback and you're gonna cover Jerry Rice if he comes in the slot. I said, no, I'm not. Not putting me on SportsCenter. Nope, nope. I'm not covering the goat by myself. But in that stadium, the fans make you think you can do it. Do. It's a different place.

[C]

Well, they made you think you could do something. You were the first defensive back in NFL history to be part of the 20 sack, 20 interception club. When did you recognize the significance of that accomplishment? Did you do it when you were playing? Or did it take some time for you to realize how incredible that was?

[B]

I love this podcast. Cause y' all ask amazing questions. Ray Rhodes is another coach. I love all my coaches because I love my mom, my hero, my grandparents. I didn't have a father growing up. So the direction of, how do you become a type of a player that people either want to be like you or they emulate you or. Or they hate on you? You gotta be one of the three. And I remember Ray Rhodes, he called me up on the phone. He said, we're gonna draft Terrell Buckley, my guy, Florida State, with the fifth pick. I think we're gonna move you to safety. I said, Coach, I'm only 5 11, like 1 90ish. I'm gonna get killed. Nope. I got a way that I want to play you. He was the one to start me going after the quarterback, being in the box. And I'll never forget that. Now I remember Mike Holmgram says that Ray was leaving and we got Fritz Shermer. I think he came from the Cardinals. I said, ah, man, I hope he's not one of these guys that play cover too, because my hands are terrible and I gotta Sit back and play half of the field. It's so boring.

[A]

Nah.

[B]

He called me up, he said, I like what you're doing. I'm gonna mix in some of my stuff with your stuff. If it wasn't for him, I'm not in the hall of Fame. I'm not. You know why, Matt? Cause I didn't think I was smarter than him. Cause when I drove by the stadium on a Saturday night on the way to the club or coming from the club, and the lights, two in the morning that he's working, I be quiet and listen. And he taught me how to make a difference. And the last thing I'll say about that is, coach Holm changed. Changed my thinking. He walked by my locker and I had on a Michael Jordan shirt. He came back, hey, who is that? I say, it's Michael Jordan. Hello. Why don't you wear your shirt? I said, coach, I don't have one. He said, exactly. Go do something. Get your own ass hurt.

[C]

Motivation.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And Lee Rimmel came over to our media guy and says, you're doing stuff that's. That you'll be proud of when you're retired, not now. I think that was like 99. And that's why I love being in the box. Blitzing, covering the third guy, covering the tight ends. You know, if we play Denver, Shannon Sharpe's my guy. If we play New England, Ben Coates, that's my. I want to cover the best tight end and the best third guy in the slot.

[A]

Laura, where do you expect to see growth with Jordan Love this year?

[B]

Oh, that's another good one. Now I'll be honest with you. I'm gonna look at my career. I was all pro, pro bow, all decade. All that when I was married. When I was single, I was a scrub. Good Love just got married. I'm ready for that third year, and Matt knows it better than me that third year. But he's really going to be the sixth year in the same offense. So I expect him to be elite or. What does elite mean? It's subjective. Elite to meet me. MVP conversation. Why do you think in the draft we went out and got Matthew golden, and by the time we post this everywhere, I wouldn't be surprised if they having rumors or somebody bringing in more receivers because, and as Matt also knows this, they were top five and drop passes last year. So if you take him off that list, Jordan Love has great numbers, but you've got to beat Detroit. You got to be Minnesota. We were one in five at home in division games. I Expect him to be up there with the Josh Allens. Lamar, because those guys are in the conversation of Super Bowls. As a matter of fact, he said it himself. He expects every day he drives up and it says Title Town. But there's a reason why they have that. And the other two quarterbacks were able to in their third year, really kind of see an ascending guy. But sometimes coaches gotta. It's your baby now. I'm here to manage you, but it's your show. Go do it. Run some two minute. We got a good running game. Josh Jacobs, but I want to see more control. You don't always need to get the call all the time sometimes. Coach, I got it. Okay, go ahead. Now that's to him and Matt LaFleur and they have a wonderful relationship. The thing about Jordan love I love is that no pun intended, he's a guy that wants to be coached. Because I remember Peyton Manning said something like he told one of his coaches, you can coach me hard, I can accept it. And some of his coaches just kind of left him alone. But he can go either way because I don't want him to be too scripted and too mechanical out there because the guy has an amazing arm. And just so you know, he had his off throwing. He had a procedure done on his thumb, his non throwing. He'll be back before Detroit in a couple weeks, but I expect big things. And not to mention he's on my fantasy team too. Did I mention?

[C]

Yes, he is. All right. As a defensive back, you lost one of the premier corners with Jair Alexander. How do you think this defensive backfield is going to be for Green Bay this year?

[B]

That's another good one. I knew a quarterback would ask that question. He was like my nephew. I mean, I love him. We text call all the time. He's just a great guy. But he understand he had some issues. Not so much the injuries, but some of the communication issues. The way we had to suspend him more a week and he got back on track but he never could get healthy. Okay without him. And I know Ben Johnson is in Chicago, but I can bet you Dan Campbell said the first game we're going to throw the ball 50 times. Yes, we have an amazing running game, but we're going to prove find out. The younger guys can cover and they got to expect that. But you know Xavier McKinney all pro safety with a lot of interceptions. He had to cover a lot of ground. But they went out and got Hobbs from the Raiders. He's banged up, he'll be ready. Hopefully by first week. But there's the vulnerabilities at the corner position. It is. I mean, nobody can, like, sugarcoat that. And you don't always have to have all pro corners to cover people. You just gotta be fundamentally sound. But when you gotta play Justin Jefferson twice, Amon St. Brown twice, D.J. moore twice, and then you open the second game, you're playing the Commanders, they just got Deebo Samuel. They already had what we call Scary Terry. That's a lot. So I don't know who's out there. A Steve Stephan Gilmore type you got. If you want to get any veteran out there in his 30s, you got to get a man this week if you want to try to get him ready and acclimated. So there gonna be some issues in the secondary for sure.

[A]

You guys can follow Leroy Leap36 on Instagram and Twitter, and you can also go to laroibutlerinc.com and if you think he's been great on this podcast, like watching, listening to him speak a, he can come and give you a motivational speech, talk sports, whatever the case is. Leroy, we really appreciate the time. We're all big fans of your story. You as a player and you as a person. So thank you so much for the time.

[B]

Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. I'm not sure if David said that every time I go on podcast, I always send out autographs, jerseys. So give them your information. I'll mail it out next week or this week or next week.

[A]

Thanks.

[C]

Let's go.

[A]

Let's get them on every week coming back. Yes, sir. All right, Leroy, thank you for the time.

[C]

Thank you you so much. Thank you.

[B]

Take care. Bye.

[A]

You ever think about changing your screen name?

[C]

Or you're like, what is my screen name?

[A]

It's like, M. Castle, my name. $16.3.2. It's just like. Because they tag you and stuff all the time. And I think if people knew it was Matt Castle, it would be cooler.

[C]

So just get Matt Castle.

[A]

Yeah. Or like, Matt. Matt Castle. QB Matt Castle.

[C]

I'm working on it. All right, guys. I mean, I didn't know I could change my tag. You know, I'm still kind of fairly new to this whole social media thing. I didn't have it when I was.

[A]

You're not 73 years old.

[C]

I'm not. I really just have to all of a sudden just one day go and figure out how to do it.

[A]

Don't you think if he could find Kevin Brandon, if he could find, like, on both platforms, if. Because also, you Spell your name. Unlike what I think people would spell it if their name was Castle.

[C]

C, A, S, T, L, e or.

[A]

Or 2L. I would have said 2L. Yeah.

[C]

Why does everybody say 2L's?

[A]

I wasn't thinking like an actual castle. Yeah.

[C]

Why does everybody say two L's?

[A]

Well, I think if I were to spell it Castle.

[C]

I get Cassell all the time.

[A]

Casselli. Yeah. I think two L's is how I would spell it, though. Same. Someone said spell Matt Castle, I would go two Ls. But my point is, your name is interesting enough spelled that you could have that instead of mcastle.

[C]

King of the castles. King of the Castles.

[A]

You don't want to do that.

[C]

No.

[A]

King of the Castle.

[C]

That'd be terrible.

[A]

That'd be terrible. Anyway, something to think about.

[C]

Okay, well, we should have the viewers just write in Matt Castle.

[A]

QB Matt. That's what I thought.

[C]

Never mind. You don't have to write in.

[A]

We figured it out.

[C]

That kind of makes a lot of sense.

[A]

The problem is if you don't grab it before this episode. Episode posts, someone will grab it.

[C]

Somebody's gonna grab it and then just.

[A]

Sell it to you.

[C]

Start putting stuff out there.

[A]

Yeah. I would just say it's like a.

[C]

Jersey number in the locker room.

[A]

You should think about changing your name to actually being your name and not just a letter.

[C]

Okay, I'll do it.

[A]

How's Big Ting going?

[C]

It's starting up next week. I'll be on the road. Michigan college football season's here. I'm fired up.

[A]

You know, they want to have, like, 40 teams in the playoff.

[C]

I know. How is that even good? How is that even possible? My theory is like 20, 28 teams.

[A]

My theory is they don't really want that. They just want to work it to 16. So it's like any negotiation, you go and you go high as possible, knowing you're not going to get it.

[C]

I think it's inevitable. They're going to go to 16. If you go to 28, then it just diminishes. You're not going to have conference championships. There's just no way. You can't play that much.

[A]

I think you're getting rid of them anyway.

[C]

You're probably going to get rid of them anyway.

[A]

You almost have to get rid of them. At the scale that it's on now.

[C]

With the tournament, it's a massive scale. That's a lot of games for these young men to be playing. I mean, it is professionalized, don't get me wrong. But at the end of the day. They're still 18 year old kids playing what, 13, 14, 15 games.

[A]

What's your first game?

[C]

Michigan and Michigan and New Mexico. Yeah, the Lobos, baby. Coming to town looking for a big upset. Bryce Underwood, we get to see him, the number one.

[A]

He's selling it.

[C]

Boys, let's go.

[A]

M. Castle is selling it, right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Are you excited?

[C]

I'm fired up. Yeah, I am excited. I mean, it's always fun because I get to go on the road to the stadium, we do the production meeting with the coaches and then just the atmosphere of college football, so unique and so special.

[A]

I'm pumped for college football.

[C]

I know you are. Those raising razorbacks, those raising backs.

[A]

That's right. It's like I got a good three weeks before I'm doing rejected to be.

[C]

Like fourth to last in the sec. You never know.

[A]

I know.

[C]

I never know.

[A]

I. Here's my theory, my prediction and theory. I would, I would cut off from the knuckle up for Arkansas to have a ten plus win football season. My pinky.

[C]

Can we, can we just put that on record? We're gonna do okay. So if they get 10 wins, we're cutting your pinky finger off.

[A]

Hey, I don't want to commit to that here, but I'm saying if you were to offer.

[C]

How about we pull your nail out of your pinky?

[A]

If you were to offer it and I could actually do it to affect it, I would give up a half pinky for a shot at the national championship because 10 wins get you in the playoffs.

[C]

I just don't know if you cutting your finger off is ever going to have an impact on.

[A]

It won't. But in my mythical world, and someone comes up and says, ooh, if you cut off your pinky, you can have.

[C]

A shot at the playoffs.

[A]

I would do it now. That's how much it matters to me. That being said, I think if we win seven games. And here's the annoying thing about being in the sec, every team is like, we have the hardest schedule. You know, every team has the hardest.

[C]

Yeah. And you guys cannibalize each other.

[A]

Yes. And it's like, well, we're playing seven teams or six teams that are in the top 25. It's also preseason. You don't really know who's good yet.

[C]

That's exactly right.

[A]

So all of these things factor in and every team has a sob story. We have one. We're like, we're playing seven teams, the top 25. If Sam Pittman wins seven games, that's a Great coaching job. But at this point, he should be winning more than seven games. Not him, but whomever's in that position for year six, you should be winning more than seven games. I think if he wins six or seven games, my thought is he will quote, unquote, retire.

[C]

Yo, you think he'll retire instead of getting.

[A]

Everybody likes him. Yeah, I like him. Do I think he's the future of the program? I do not. But I like him a lot as a person and I think he was a great gap between complete disarray and he stabilized the program. And so now he retires, gets to be a hero. Did you ever play with Ed Ogeron?

[C]

Eddie O was my D line coach at usc. The craziest son of a gun I've ever been around my life.

[A]

He wants, he wants to coach again too.

[C]

He should coach again. I love that guy. I mean, he would. He was one of the most intimidating humans. He was trying to get me to play lime backer. He's like, Castle, you'll never, you'll never play quarterback here at usc. You need to come over to my side of the ball. He sound like. He's not like a water boy, though. But that's, that's what he sounded like, dude. And he would say it with this intensity in your eyes and you. I almost thought about playing linebacker because it was so intimidating.

[B]

Call the H2.

[A]

So thank you guys for being here this week. Thanks to Lauroy Butler. Kick off Kevin producing Brandon Ray over.

[B]

They're running all the video.

[A]

That's Matt Castle. I'm Bobby Bones. We've had lots to say. Thank you guys. See you next week. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

[D]

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[C]

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