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Bobby Bones
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Devonte David
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Matt Castle
Glad you're here
Bobby Bones
and we hope you stay. Cause we got lots to say. Yeah, we got lots to say. Now here's Bobby and Matt, everybody. Welcome to the show. That's Matt Castle.
Devonte David
What up?
Bobby Bones
I'm Robert Jones. Thank you for being here. We're going to do a little something called situational awareness. We do this every week. Your scenario first, you're the starting quarterback of your team. Another player on the team. It doesn't matter who gets into trouble. In real life, do you reach out to him or you do you let it just play out and just business as usual?
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
I think at first you treat it as business as usual and because it usually comes out in the papers or something like that, social media and so these things come about and you don't really know all the circumstances or anything like that. But if you're close with anybody on your team and they're going through some, I'll reach out with a text and say, hey, thinking about you. Let me know if you knew any need, anything. Now, it's also dependent on what the situation is. You know, you see domestic abuse, see something like that. I've got no tolerance for it. So that I would never reach out on something like that. I'd let the due process take its course. But in terms of something where, you know, a guy gets a dui, a guy gets something like that, we all make mistakes. We're all human. And you definitely are trying to be supportive in that circumstance, for sure.
Bobby Bones
Are there certain players that coaches that build, I'll say, support teams for. To keep them out of trouble?
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Yes, without a doubt. I mean, we. We have a. So we have player development in every building in the NFL and they really deal with the players, helping them find housing, setting up for the rookies, all these different. It's basically a classroom session on finance, on banking, on anything that you could possibly think of. Workplace ethics, all these things, they set that up. But they're also somebody that you can go to with a problem and say, hey, I need some help here. I got outstanding tickets. Or I got this, that, and the other. Can you point me in the right direction? So they're there as a support system now in terms of coaches, in certain players, sometimes they'll put other veteran players in charge of helping get this guy to where he needs to be, be a mentor to a younger player. That might get out of line at times, might be a little bit wild at times. And so you're leaning on veterans in the locker room, but at the same time, the coaches understand, hey, we might have a problem here. We need to get ahead of this thing before it becomes a bigger issue.
Bobby Bones
Have you ever heard of an instance where they had put a chaperone on somebody?
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Oh, 100%. Mike Williams. When I was at USC, we, they would drive to his house, pick him up in the golf cart to take him to class because he would never go to class. So we had to make sure that that dude got to class because he was an absolute stud, but he just had no interest at times in going to class. And so we would send somebody over there, pick him up and take him to his classes and make sure he was in his classes.
Bobby Bones
When you get to the NFL, and obviously you're supposed to be adults, but you also know not everybody makes the same adult type decisions. Does that happen in the league as well where you have certain, not obviously coordinators, but other coaches who are constantly checking in on some of the players to make sure they're not making bad decisions now that they have more resources and money, A lot of coaches will
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
go above and beyond if they notice an issue or a problem that continues to show itself up again and again and again. And so they'll take maybe a different stance on it and be more of somebody that's there at any given time. But the difference in the NFL is, like you said, you're playing professional football, this is your job. And so they've got standards in place. So you miss a meeting or you're late to a meeting, that's a $5,000 fine first time, $15,000 a second time. And it goes up from there. It could be conduct detrimental. Guys are missing meetings, being late to meetings, not doing, showing up to what they need to be at. They're going to get fined, period. And you might not make a trip. And I've been on teams where guys haven't made a trip. So it's, it's all depends on the coach and his approach and how stern he's going to be about it. You might get a get out of jail free card once, but you're going to start seeing guys get fined more and more. We have a guy find $100,000 in a week because of what?
Bobby Bones
Missing meetings.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Missing meetings or not showing up to meetings. And Greg Harding, that's. That's exactly who it was when we were in Dallas, and. And it was like he was on his own time. But I'll tell you what, on game day, he'd show up, and, my God, he was a beast. But throughout the course of the week, it was like, hey, I know I'll be there on game day, so you can find me, but I'll just pay my fine. It's crazy.
Bobby Bones
That's a massive fine.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
It's a massive fine.
Bobby Bones
That's a massive fine. Okay, hit me with one.
Devonte David
All right.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
You get paired with a guy in a charity golf tournament who is taking it way too serious, literally ruining the round. Do you try to loosen them up or you just survive to fight another day and just try to get through the round as quickly as possible? Now, are you that guy, though?
Bobby Bones
I'm not that guy. I've had these experiences where someone will add an auction bid to either play with me and we go out individually, or it's an entire charity golf tournament, and I'm just one of the celebrities that's of 20, and people get matched up, so it's both of those. But I'm playing with somebody who has paid extra money to play with a celebrity, and they put a lot of pressure on themselves to play well for a couple reasons. One, it's usually a really nice course, some sort of special course, right? And then two, they're playing nine holes with some celebrity, sometimes it's me, then it switches to somebody else, and they want to play really well in front of that person. So I've had probably more than five instances where the person is just chunking clubs or slamming or cursing or going, I'm not this bad. I will, for a hole, be loose and light and be like, there's no big deal. I suck, too. You know, that type thing after a hole, I just let them do their thing. I'm not trying to jump in. I'm not trying to repair their world. Also, there's no need to act like that, right? And there's no need for me to fix that. Like, I want them to know, dude, I'm not good either. However, after about a whole of this, I'm not trying to fix them.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
I get being competitive. But you're not a professional golfer.
Bobby Bones
I have a friend that's really bad at golf, and he still gets so pissed when he plays and plays bad. And I'm like, dude, what do you expect? You've never Done.
Devonte David
Good.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
You don't practice.
Bobby Bones
Yes. Why is your expectation to par a hole when. Well, you never par holes and you never practice?
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
That's why I go out with my expectation of if I play bogey golf. It's a pretty good day for me, and I'll hit a few pars here. I might double bogey a few. But I'm not going to lose my temper over golf. I promise you that.
Bobby Bones
You're like a life sandbagger, though, just generally speaking. And I mean that in the most complimentary way. That's annoying to someone.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Like life sandbagger.
Devonte David
Yeah.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Are we talking about golf or life? Both. Okay, great.
Bobby Bones
But I would. Yeah. What I would equate it to is in golf, when someone's like, I'm not that good, and they show up and they're really good.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
I have had a few of those days where.
Bobby Bones
What, you sandbag purposely? No.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
I was a 12, okay. And I shot a 79 one time. And that's not a good look because that really does make you look like a sandbag. Lying. Because I can hit the hell of a ball. But again, any given swing, I could be out in the woods over here to the right, to the left. My. My short game could suck. But then the once I get about, you know, maybe two white claws in me, I'm good to go.
Bobby Bones
Maybe you're not a life sandbagger. Maybe you're just, like, the ultimate humble.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
No, I'm not that good at golf, and I don't practice.
Bobby Bones
I think you're ultimate. I. I think more. Don't you guys agree? He's, like, ultimate humble. He's like the great. You're like, the greatest guy. It's annoying.
Matt Castle
Play baseball and football at usc.
Bobby Bones
It's like, yeah, yeah. Dual sport athlete, tall, dribbling, two sports. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
It's not a big deal.
Bobby Bones
You're the ultimate humble because you. Unless someone, like, beats it out of you, you're not going to say anything positive about yourself.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Yeah, that's true. I am not one of those people that in boastful by any means necessary.
Bobby Bones
But it's not even boastful. It's like you have to, like, crowbar things out of you to just, like, admit to something.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
I just admitted I was a sandbagger. I don't know if that's the most like, hey, good job, Castle. I brought it out of you. Finally.
Bobby Bones
Oh, sandbagger is unfair because I. I. Sandbagger is Doing that with purpose. I think you're just honestly extremely humble.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
I am not. Yeah, try to be.
Bobby Bones
Yeah, you are. It's annoying.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
You're the exact opposite. I'm just kidding. What's my next scenario? Oh, wait, yeah. What's my next scenario?
Bobby Bones
Say your podcast partner wants to stab you in the neck right after the podcast is over. How would you react to that?
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Well, I'd get a little defensive.
Bobby Bones
All right, here's the real one. Here's the real one. You're at your son's baseball tournament all week and another dad keeps giving your kid swing tips from behind the fence. You gonna say something? You just gonna let it go?
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Oh, no, I'm definitely gonna say something. Good. Let's just pump the brakes here. He's 12. He'll figure it out. If he's got. If we got something to work on, let's do it later. But stop talking to my kid, period. Like, there's no circumstance in which I think a parent in the stands should be talking to any kid, even their own kid. I don't talk to my own kid during the game because I think it's the coach's responsibility. If you wanted to coach, then coach. Sign up to coach. If not, sit there and just be there as a supportive role for your kid. And let them know, regardless whether they strike out three times or get four hits, you're still gonna love them and you're still gonna be there to support them, period. That's how I look at it. But no, they're not allowed to talk to my kid during a game day.
Bobby Bones
Okay, what about. And this is not your kid related. What about parents that yell at youth umpires?
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Can't stand that either. Can't stand it. Now, I'm not one of those people that will bark at another person, say it was a strike, like, but there are parents at every single tournament I go to, they've got 15 year old kids behind playing umpire, Right? They're going to make some good calls, they're going to make some bad calls, and it's not going to be perfect. But these people, you think it's the World Series, Game 7 of MLB, where they're held to a different standard. I'm like, get over it. Like, and usually it's probably their kid that they called the strike on. And they're like, what are you talking about? Where's your strike? So it's been inconsistent all game. Who cares? Like, they'll deal with it. It's a little adversity.
Bobby Bones
It's a 16 year old out making 18 bucks a game.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. These are not professional umpires here. They're out there and they're serving your kids to just try to umpire the game. So. Yes, but I don't say much to those people because it usually I've been at tournaments where it's led to fistfights between parents on the opposing teams to where they have to call the cops to a tournament, to an 11U or a 12U tournament because the umpire's making bad calls and they're arguing over it. Doesn't make any sense.
Bobby Bones
Do you ever want to tell, like, the coaches even of your kids teams at times like, hey, like, I, I played college baseball, I was drafted. Like, I kind of know what I'm talking about.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
No, I am not boastful. You already know that.
Bobby Bones
I want to tell them that. And I didn't, I wasn't. And I want to be like, I played college baseball and I was drafted, but I didn't. So I don't. I would like to do that. That'd be awesome. All right. What you got?
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
All right. Someone recognizes you in public and keeps calling you by the wrong name. How do you respond?
Bobby Bones
Great.
Devonte David
I love it.
Bobby Bones
Hilarious. Yeah, that's happened more than that. It's people who will come up because someone else has approached me at some point earlier, come to ask for a picture. So they see us take a picture together and then they see it and they go, huh, you must be somebody. And they come up and go, I don't know who you are. Who are you? Like, what do you do? And they put you in a weird place, right?
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Because you, like, do I answer? Do I tell them the honest answer?
Bobby Bones
It's like, it's not going to impress them. They don't know who I am. So they obviously are not interested in anything that I do also, like, I'm happy to tell you, but you're not going to be blown away by it. So that is a weird one. Because then they'll say something like, well, I've never heard of you, but let's just take a picture anyway. And then you're like, just a weird, awkward situation. So that one's tough. The other one that's weird is when someone comes up and goes, hey, I'm not really a fan, but my sister is. Can I get a picture with you? I just would prefer you to leave that. I'm not really a fan out. Just be like, hey, do you mind if I get a picture? I love it. Absolutely.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Tell me you say no to that.
Bobby Bones
Never. I won't say no to that.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
I 100% would be like, I'm not a fan, but my sister is. Can I get a picture with you? No, absolutely not.
Bobby Bones
That's just something you can leave off. Like, it doesn't hurt anything to go, hey, would you mind if I get a picture? Because the same thing's gonna happen. You're gonna get a picture, and you're gonna send it to your sister. And I didn't have to get insulted in the process.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Exactly.
Bobby Bones
Because think that is what happens. Another thing, too that's funny is when people will go, hey, can I get a picture? And then they give the phone to somebody, and they can't really hold on, and it takes forever. And so they've given the phone to somebody who doesn't really know how to work a phone, or they've given it to them and it's flipped the wrong way. And so that's happening. But I was on a flight once, just randomly, with Gavin DeGraw, the singer. And so we were sitting next to each other, flying back from New York, and he said, when you leave the plane, do many people ask you for pictures at the airport? I said, yeah, sometimes. He said, do you do the trick where you grab their phone? I said. I said, what's that? He goes, oh, it's the greatest. Because what it'll do is it'll stop people that don't know how to work their phone. He said, you know how to work the phone, Great. So as soon as they go, can I get a picture? You go, yeah. Say, hey, you grab their phone, you turn it. You do the cell phone. You hand it. You hand them the phone back. He said, it eliminates a third of the time.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Peace, no small talk.
Bobby Bones
And because. Yeah. And there's not somebody like, how do you do fl. Oh, can you put your coat in so I can get the camera back? So, sage Advice from Gavin deGrom. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody calls me the wrong name, I do get, like, hey, I heard you're Bobby Jones, and I'm not the dead golfer. And it's just. It doesn't hurt my feelings at all. It's funny, but sometimes people will go, hey, are you him?
Devonte David
Who?
Matt Castle
Who.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Who exactly are you talking about?
Devonte David
What.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
What.
Bobby Bones
What person specifically is him?
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
What's your pronoun?
Bobby Bones
Those are kind of awkward situations, but they're fine. They're fine. All right, last one, from me to you. You're at a team dinner with five people, and one guy orders the Most expensive thing on the menu, plus appetizers for the table. Without asking. Then he wants to split it all evenly. So it's not like a rookie meal, but it's like you and some boys are together, and he goes hard. And appetizers. Heck, drinks, too, and then wants to split it evenly. Are you going to say something?
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Nope.
Bobby Bones
No.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Yeah, I won't say anything because it's kind of. It's one of those unwritten rules that when you're out with the group, look, you people could order massive appetizer, a huge steak. You could get a salad if you wanted to. But we're all splitting it the same way. So it's. It's never come up where I'm just like, what in the world is happening right now? Like, no, I'm not splitting it. Plus, I've been at the dinners where Willie McGinnis one time invited me as a rookie to a dinner with eight people at a nice steak restaurant. And the bill came, and he says, thanks, rook. And I didn't get to split it at all. I had to pay for the whole thing. Oh, no.
Matt Castle
So.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
And then I've also lost in the credit card roulette. Not told that story where I lost the credit card roulette. That was 18 dudes at a dinner table.
Bobby Bones
You had a one in 18 shot to lose it, and you lost it,
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
and I lost it. And I'm sweating every time they pull a card out. Now we're getting to five. Now we're at three. Now we're at two, and I get the one credit card. I mean, and we're talking about every veteran player from Rodney Harrison to Brady to Brusky to. All these guys have played in the league for 10 years. I'm, like, in my third year, and I'm sitting there going, you got to be kidding me. What is. What kind of bad luck do you have to have?
Bobby Bones
So your version, they started with 18 in the hat, and when they pulled
Devonte David
it, it was dead.
Bobby Bones
It did not lose. It's the last one remaining.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Are not the winner.
Bobby Bones
And they handed out that.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Yeah, I lost that.
Bobby Bones
Remember the bill?
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
20 something.
Bobby Bones
That's wild.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
That was. That was a swift kick in the. You know what? That was not. Not fair. So when you go with five people and somebody orders an extra appetizer, you're like, bro, I'm just gonna make sure I order something that I wanted to eat.
Bobby Bones
Fair enough?
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Yeah, fair enough.
Bobby Bones
Last one.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
You're the head football coach at Arkansas, and you just beat number one Texas at home. The post game reporter asks what. What this win means. Are you staying humble? Are you throwing it right into Texas face?
Bobby Bones
I'm going full horns down immediately. Right in the middle camera. Yeah. There's only one school that I hate and it's Texas.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
So you're definitely.
Bobby Bones
I'm going hard horns down because I'm never going to coach at Texas. I know I'm the head coach at Arkansas, but if Texas calls and goes, hey, move on up to us. No, I'm not. I'm never gonna coach Texas, so I'm gonna win my national championships at Arkansas.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
What was it, 10 million more a year with private jet responsibilities. They buy your house, everything.
Bobby Bones
Growing up in Arkansas, we learned to hate Texas. I love Austin.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
It's looking like a true governor.
Bobby Bones
Yeah. My favorite love. Love my favorite city that I've ever lived in. That's not home. Austin's awesome, but I just. I've grown up. You're from Arkansas. You hate big brother Texas. They're bigger, they're richer, they have more facilities, they have better players. They. Everything about them has always been shinier. Russian in Rocky 4.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Yeah.
Bobby Bones
I'm chasing a chicken in the backyard, training. Yeah. And they're there.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
You know, they're eating the chicken already.
Bobby Bones
So. Yeah, we hate Texas.
Devonte David
So they.
Bobby Bones
When they ask the question, I'm going double horns down. And then I'm doing dx. Suck it with the double horns. It's two horn, two horns. Suck it.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
So.
Bobby Bones
Yeah. So we ain't doing that. All right. That is the game called situational awareness.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Called classy football coaches.
Matt Castle
Classy.
Bobby Bones
Yeah, Class the Arkansans.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
I sold my car in Carvana last night.
Devonte David
Well, that's cool.
Bobby Bones
No, you don't understand.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
It went perfectly.
Bobby Bones
Real offer down to the penny. They're picking it up tomorrow. Nothing went wrong. So what's the problem? That is the problem. Nothing in my life goes to smoothing. I'm waiting for the catch. Maybe there's no catch. That's exactly what a catch would want me to think.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Wow.
Bobby Bones
You need to relax. I need to knock on wood.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Do we have. What is this table wood?
Bobby Bones
I think it's laminate. Okay. Yeah, that's good. That's close enough. Car selling without a catch. Sell your car today on car. Pickup fees may apply. All right, let's bring on Tampa Bay bug legend, former NFL linebacker devonte David. He just retired a few months ago after. After a 14 year run where he won a Super bowl, was an All Pro 12 time team captain, one of the best defensive players in Tampa Bay history. Avante. You just retired. Like, you playing golf. What are you doing?
Devonte David
Man, I ain't doing nothing much. I'm just relaxing, getting on my feet a little bit. But I have been working out, trying to stay in shape, you know, trying to drop a little pounds a little bit here and there. But golf is on my list, though. A lot of people have been pitching it to me, so I'm like, I might as well get it to try and give it a try. Everybody look like they having fun with it, so I might try.
Bobby Bones
Are you staying in shape in case you, I don't know, get the right call?
Devonte David
Nah, I got nothing to do with that. I just. I just. I just know myself. I don't want to get carried away. You know, I like, I like eating, I like food. I'm a sweet guy. So I just want to try to stay. Stay consistent on that so I won't get carried away.
Bobby Bones
Did you know last year that was going to be your last year?
Devonte David
At some point? Yeah, at the beginning, no, but towards, you know, at the season began and like towards the middle of the season, I kind of got the feeling that, yeah, this might be it for me, but like, when I'm, When I'm, you know, when I'm getting ready for the season, I don't think about, you know, if it's going to be my last time or not, but just certain things transpire throughout the season and stuff like that, and you start to realize, like, yeah, you know, this is the game, you know, it's been amazing, and now it's time for me to probably, like, move along and give it up.
Bobby Bones
Obviously, we are not the same, but things on me don't heal as fast because I've gotten older. Would you notice that about yourself, too? Things don't heal as easy.
Devonte David
Yeah, as I got older, for sure. I just remember I used to tell stories to the guy. Like, man, I didn't used to warm up before games until it was time to actually go out. And then as I started getting older, I'm like, oh, like, nah, I need to start going out and warming up, warming up these, these, these tendons and these muscles. So I'll be strained and stuff like that. But this past season, the past couple of seasons, it kind of like reminded me, yeah, yeah, buddy. You getting up there in age, man, so you gotta. You play through some things that you don't want to play through, whereas back then those things would be healed by now. But as you get older, it does, you know, tend to take a longer Process to get, you know, fully healthy.
Bobby Bones
You started off a year in juco. What is juco like? Well, if you're at a junior college, what is. Are there any frills at all?
Devonte David
Oh, man, I won't recommend it to nobody, man. You know what I'm saying? But it definitely was something I'm, you know, I definitely attest to, you know, the success that I had throughout my football career. It humbled me in a way. It helped me grow as a man and as a football player. It taught me a lot of discipline. Just, you know, going through that thing, going through that stuff, like being mentally tough and stuff, Stuff like that. There's definitely a different aspect of football that goes on in junior college ranks, and just the. The battles you have to go through, the adversity you have to go through, the obstacles you have to go through to, you know, make it to where you want to make it. It's tough, man. Just. It takes a different level, a different attitude to. To get through all that stuff. But it was a great journey, man. And I don't. I don't, you know, I. I love that I went through that, and it definitely, you know, helped me become the person I am today.
Bobby Bones
What were the amazing things that were different about when you played at Nebraska as far as food and luxuries?
Devonte David
Ah, that's exactly what it was. The food. The food was different, man. The food was different. Just coming. I remember taking a visit to Nebraska, and I'm like, they got the cafeteria and they were like, yeah, go ahead and get something. I'm like, I could get some of that. Like that right there. I could go and get that. You know what I'm saying? And then I just, you know, at Nebraska, with just stuff specific for, you know, football players or certain athletes, and then, you know, juco, it was like the whole school almost. And the menu wasn't as intriguing. You know, sometimes I used to have to go and eat McDonald's and, you know, just the area. Not much in the area. And when I got to Nebraska, man, it was just amazing. Even though, like, me being a kid from Miami, it was a big difference. From Fort Scott, Kansas, to Lincoln, Nebraska, for sure.
Bobby Bones
Why did you pick Nebraska?
Devonte David
Honestly, just being out in Kansas and building the relationships with people, Being out in the Midwest and seeing how the great the people were in those environments. And then going to Nebraska, I kind of got that same feel. The fans, the people, Everybody just accepted me, and everybody was welcoming, and that's just something that I fell in love with. And my Family, my mom and dad, like, I should stay, you know, out, stay out, stay out, you know, in the Midwest instead of trying to come back South. And things like that helped me focus, helped me stay disciplined, helped me, you know, focus on what my goal was. And that's what was to make it to the NFL. And doing that, they was able to do that. For me, you know, I felt like, you know, playing with coach Bo Palini, he prepared me to play for the NFL and the certain amount of competition and things like that, playing the Big 12 and the Big 10 kind of helped me, prepare me for the NFL, and that's what my biggest decision was. And, you know, having friends already there, guys who know, know the area and knows what it takes, that played a huge factor in it.
Bobby Bones
Were you curious at all, going from Fort Scott Community College to Nebraska, how long it would take for you to adjust to the speed? And then how long did it take you to adjust, I want to say
Devonte David
to the speed, but more so the competition. Just because coming from junior college is not a. It's not a lot of, you know, you have some competition, but it's not a big variety of competition. Coming from junior college ranks at the time and then going to Nebraska, you know, you got kids from all different cities, all different states, guys with, you know, play since freshmen, you know, having all these stars and stuff like that. So I knew the competition was going to be, you know, competitive. But as far as the speed at the time, no, not much. I didn't think the speed was going to be a big difference, but I guess just learning the playbook, getting up to date with everything, and, you know, I have a, you know, give a shout out to my guy, Will Compton, for that, who helped me, you know, throughout my time there, kind of like learn a playbook. Coming from junior college and going to Nebraska. But far as, like, speed and gameplay, it kind of kind of picked up for me where it left off.
Bobby Bones
You spent two years in Nebraska before you went out for the draft. Where did they tell you you may land? Even, what, Late first, second, third round? And then were there any teams that were like, we're in and maybe they weren't in once? Draft day.
Devonte David
Hit man. You know what's crazy, though? My junior year, I just remember my junior year, I had an incredible season. My junior year, didn't think about going to the NFL. Didn't think much of it. But I just remember out of nowhere, Facebook at the time was real popular and big, and I just was getting all type of messages and things like that from agents on Facebook. And then I don't know how they found my number and the agents started hitting me up, trying to say, you have a chance to enter the draft or whatever. We want to take a chance to represent you. And I guess Coach Bellini and our strength coach at the time, Coach Dobson, got wind of that and they called me for a meeting in the office. And it was like, I know teams probably hitting you up and stuff. I mean, agents stuff probably hitting you up for you to come out. But they thought that it would be best if I give it another year and things like that. But I didn't have it on my mind to leave after my junior year and things like that. And then that's kind of like when I realized that I had a real opportunity to make it to the NFL. And then my senior year came around. I just remember people saying I could be a second to third round pick and possible make it to mid first as my process went on. But my whole thing was just going out there, just trying to dominate and put my best work out there.
Bobby Bones
So you spent three years in Nebraska, then two.
Devonte David
Okay, I spent two. This was after my junior year that I was talking about. And then I played my senior year and after my junior year is when I realized I actually can make it to the NFL. And then that's when I started, you know, getting more notoriety and, you know, kind of like realizing that, you know, playing the NFL is possible.
Bobby Bones
Did you want to go back home to Florida? Like, was it. Was it like, man, if Tampa gets me in the spot, that'd be awesome?
Devonte David
I didn't think. I didn't know. Honestly, I didn't because I kind of got. I got, kind of got used to being out, you know, being away from home. One team that I thought was going to get me was Cleveland. I thought Philly, I thought Chicago in Tennessee. I thought those teams for sure was in a running for sure to get me out. I was in constant communication with those guys throughout the whole process. Even after the comeback was over, you know, they kept checking in on me and Tampa was not on my radar. I didn't know they was on my radar. But when they did draft me, it definitely was a huge, huge blessing for me because obviously being out in the Midwest, being away from Florida, all those years of college, I just felt like, you know, God had a plan for me. He was like, you just go away, you focus, you be disciplined, you take care of what you need to take care of and, you know, you'll get a chance to get back home and play in front of your family. And that's exactly what happened.
Bobby Bones
Same question then, about whenever you go from playing Nebraska to the NFL, what was it that again was so eye opening? Speed, Competition size.
Devonte David
What was it that right there in the NFL definitely was speed and size. You know, dudes are huge. You know, I remember my rookie year, we had Carl Nicks. And I just remember my rookie year, we was in training camp and like one of the very first practices, full padded practices, he was a pulling guard and he had to come around the pool. And me being a linebacker at the time, I had to take on the guard and there was no way around it. I couldn't, you know, like, I knew it was coming and like, I can't, like, I can't avoid it. Like, it was a certain defense that I had to take it on. And I just remember running in there and closing my eyes and I thought, you know, you thought you did something good. Make a good contact, get off him and run out to the ball. And then when you watch it on film, man, the hole that he created after hitting me was crazy. I'm like, dang. So I gotta, I gotta, I gotta add a little more, a little bit more pounds, you know, to my stature and get, get myself going. And I'm like, I had to, you know, really quickly realize that this was gonna, this is what it was gonna be.
Bobby Bones
How much weight did you put on rookie year to the rest of your career?
Devonte David
My rookie year, honestly, I probably played in between 215 and 220. And then the heaviest I got in my career was actually this past year. I played at like 230, 230, 231. But I was usually, throughout my career, I was usually around no higher than 228, but I felt my best between 225, 222, to be honest.
Bobby Bones
So you're talking about very small margins. So even a three pound difference, you would feel faster or stronger.
Devonte David
Yeah, for sure, for sure. Definitely for me, because all seasons I work on my explosiveness, I work on my speed, I work on my first step, quick first step quickness to get off the ball and stuff like that. Be able to go sideline to sideline, because that was my game. It's a lateral game. Run the sideline to sideline and using my instincts with my speed and stuff like that. And then as we get a little heavier, that kind of, you know, weigh on you a little bit. I definitely felt the difference big time as I got older. So that's why I just try to stay, you know, in that weight range as far as like 225. So I'll be able to still move around how I want to move around.
Bobby Bones
You spent over a decade being the captain. Do you get voted or picked by the coaches to be a captain?
Devonte David
It's voted. They use a team vote. I know since I've been in Tampa, once the final roster is set and you come back and you have that first team meeting, sometimes team coaches, you know, hand out pieces of paper and just basically like tell you, you know, who you want to vote. You can get two defensive captains, two offensive captain, especially team captain. And you know, glory to God, man, I was voted, you know, by the team, by the player and stuff like that. I don't think I've been a part of a team that will coaches coach. I'm not sure if they alter anything or not, but for the most part, you know, players vote on who they want to lead the team. And I was lucky to be a part of that for 11 to 12 years.
Bobby Bones
So you played 14 years in the last. It feels like the last decade or so we see a lot more RPOs. As a linebacker, a lot of that is on you. Was that something that you had to learn as that started to happen more and was that difficult?
Devonte David
It was difficult at the beginning. And you know, you just have to kind of let it. Let the coverage or whatever the defense that you're in kind of like take away that sponsor responsibility. Take. Take your responsibility for the RPO game. If you want a Cover 2 defense, for instance, you know, you really, you know, pass first. So you have to, you know, read through the three step and things like that. And you have to be slow to the run. So when you're in cover two, you can kind of like take away the RPO read and a flat guy can. If the ball going out to the flat, your flat corner can take away, take that away and you take away the inside and kind of like let your D line eat up the run a little bit to let you, you know, kind of like roam over the top. And then some of the defense when you in man to man is kind of hard to play against because you more have your eyes on the ball carry. When you have the running back man to man and they dish the ball out to the fact you have to tight end, you can't be behind it. So it's kind of, you know, difficult. You didn't have to have to have a great game plan set up against it. But I think the main thing is for State that way you just have to be patient for sure.
Bobby Bones
Who was the hardest quarterback to have to plan against because of the rpo?
Devonte David
Because of the rpo. The hardest RPO got introduced early on. I'll probably say Jalen Hurts. He did a great job of running the RPO offense when they had it going. He was probably the most difficult for sure. Especially when you got a great running back and, you know, you got a great, you know, offensive weapons on the outside. So they was pretty good at it. I can't think of anybody else for sure, but. And obviously, you know, Cam mean too, when he. When they was running a little bit and that zone, Reed, Reed option scheme that they had. So that was pretty, you know, difficult to play for.
Bobby Bones
So you're counting on your defensive line to eat up those offensive guys, right? To give you the To.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
Yeah.
Bobby Bones
To let you see what's happening and make a decision.
Devonte David
Correct. Correct. Yeah. You have to just like. Because as a linebacker, sometimes the responsibility is in the past game too, as well. You have to. You would cover three. You have to play this hook, and once the quarterback see bite down on a run, the quarterback could throw the hook right behind you. And that's the biggest. Supposed to fade because that's your zone area and there's nobody else around. The next person is the middle field free safety. So it's kind of hard. That's what I'm saying. Like, you got to count your D. Linemen kind of like eat all that stuff up, kind of like mess it up for you and make sure the quarterback give you, you know, make the quarterback make a decision real fast for
Bobby Bones
you when you win the Super Bowl. I mean, come on, is that the greatest?
Devonte David
Oh, man, it was amazing. You know, for me personally, you know, I'm sure everybody felt, you know, great about it, but for me, man, it was amazing because, you know, to be honest, I didn't think I'd get to that point with the. With the season that I had before prior playing for the Bucks. But, you know, I knew, you know, we always had the talent and the pieces together. We just needed to, you know, make it all. Make it all work. And that particular year, we made it right, man. And it was the best feeling in the world, man. I. I just wish a lot of the guys who I played with in the past, who I thought that was deserving to get that moment and then get a chance to. Guys like Jerry McCoy, things like that. I wish, you know, those guys can be able to, you Know, celebrate that
Bobby Bones
moment with me because you're such a buck, a lifelong buck, and you knew it was time to retire. But is there a little bit of guilt going, man, now they gotta replace me?
Devonte David
Nah, not for real, man. You know, you know, they, The Buzz do a great job of bringing in guys, you know, kind of like, I wanna say Phil's, but, you know, just, you know, pick up where you know, other guys left off, you know, And I feel like they have the great roster put together especially. They did a great job in the draft. I know a lot of fans and people, you know, who support the organization were really happy with the free agency stuff. They felt like, you know, they should have made a splash, free agency, pickup or whatever. But I felt like it was great pieces, it was pieces that we needed. You know, adding Adam Zanzalone, adding a Sean Robinson, guys like that, that was real, real big for us. And I think from defensive, defensive side. And then going to the draft, you added Ruben Bane, you had Kevonte Scott, Keonte Scott, sorry. You added another weapon at receiver in Hearst, who, you know, was a top off guy and a big receiver, even though we lost Mike Evans. But you kind of like added pieces that you kind of like pick up the slack a little bit. And that's what I kind of like, like expected out of those guys for sure.
Bobby Bones
Are you in your own head going, I know I'm gonna miss it whenever the season starts. You just got to get through that.
Devonte David
Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely gonna miss. I know I'm gonna miss it because, you know, when you play football for so long. I've been playing football for 30 years and this honestly might be my. No, this is going to be my first year not playing football and not even preparing for it. So it's definitely going to be tough for me to kind of like adjust, but. But for me, I'm a fan of the game. I love the game and I'm gonna still be around it, so. But I'm gonna be around it, but I don't think I'm gonna play it for sure. I ain't gonna miss playing it, but it's definitely gonna be the preparation and stuff like that is something I'm definitely gonna miss, but I gotta find something to kind of like combat that. Like you said, man, I may get into some golf or something to kind of like take my mind off of it.
Bobby Bones
Or pickleball.
Devonte David
A pickleball. Maybe a pickleball. I don't know, man, I gotta get these legs and knees a little break. Pickleball is a little bit too much. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I gotta give me another jump on a pickleball court.
Bobby Bones
I just had ankle surgery from playing pickleball. I agree. I completely agree. I tore my ankle. Terrible, terrible, terrible. Levante, I really appreciate it man. You awesome player. Fun to watch you over the last, you know, 10, 14 years. I guess so. Thank you for the time and I hope you have a great first non playing season.
Devonte David
Amazing man. Appreciate you. Thank you for having me. God bless you.
Bobby Bones
Thank you. Wait. You don't need an hour to burn calories. TikTok has short workouts that get your
Devonte David
heart rate up fast.
Bobby Bones
Download now and get moving. Lets talk about the Myles Garrett trade. Because if I'm Myles Garrett, if I'm anyone, I'm loving leaving Cleveland. I don't know, I've been to Cleveland. It's always been nice to me. I just don't think you want to play for the Browns. They don't win. It's not good ownership. They're not going to win next year. And also if you get to go to the Rams, that's like you're leaving the worst and going to the best situation. So listen, we're not breaking this story by any means, but the Browns traded Miles Garrett to the Rams for Jared Verse, who by the way is really good. It's not like that there's chop liver but everybody compared to Miles Garrett is chopped liver. If you're doing the exact comparison. And then multiple draft picks as well. The Browns get the first round pick and 2027 of the Rams which by the way will probably be very late when you think Kevin.
Matt Castle
Yeah, yeah. I mean at least in the 20s.
Bobby Bones
Yeah, it's one of those NBA type picks where they're like they're giving up their first round pick but you know they're a good team and that first round pick's going to be like 22 and you're like well you're not going to get somebody. NFL's different for sure. But they're not going to get like a top 10 pick out of this. Yeah, they get a second round pick in 2028, a third rounder in 2029. This is one of the biggest trades ever as far as a defensive player. Garrett on social media thanked the Browns. He really doesn't need to. He did that whole newspaper ad last year before he resigned.
Matt Castle
I know that wasn't that long ago.
Bobby Bones
Just put that up again. Just screenshot that. Put that back up again. Miles Garrett 125 sacks, 23 force fumble, six fumble recoveries, 412 tackles. Why this is good, if you're not a fan of either, is that you finally you're going to get to see Miles Garrett play for something, actually have a chance to win a championship. You're going to see really how dominant he is when they can't focus the entire team to stop him.
Matt Castle
Yeah, I mean he's got to be the happiest man in the world.
Bobby Bones
Can you imagine?
Matt Castle
And the first person I thought of was Jared Verse because he's a hell of a player. Was having a good couple first years and then now it's like now I
Bobby Bones
go to Cleveland, the Pro bowl doesn't matter as much anymore. However, for defensive guys, I do think it matters more. Offensive guys like quarterbacks, they just go, nah, nah, nah, nah, we don't want to go. Defensive players, they don't really punt, they just kind of take the award. Yeah, he's a two time Pro Bowler. Yeah, that feels legitimate.
Matt Castle
Very.
Bobby Bones
Now Shadow Sanders doesn't feel legitimate that he was in the Pro Bowl.
Matt Castle
I forgot he was a Pro Bowl.
Bobby Bones
Yeah, because everybody kept saying no. Here's what the Rams have done with their first round picks since 2016. In 2016, Jared Goff, which they traded for Matthew Stafford. 2017, no pick. They had traded it to the Titans to draft golf, which they later traded for Stafford. 2018, no pick. They traded that to the Patriots for Brandon Cooks. Maybe not. Maybe not a great one there. That's one of those. Were probably not a great one, right?
Matt Castle
No, I mean Brandon Cooks I think is played for every team by now.
Bobby Bones
2019, no pick. 2020, no pick. That was to the Jaguars for Jalen Ramsey. 2021, no pick. This is all first round. 2022, no pick. Traded alliance for Stafford. 2023, no first round pick. That was Stafford as well. So they had 17, 18, 19, 20 21, 22, 23, all with no first round pick. Wild. I didn't realize it was that long.
Matt Castle
Yeah, you don't really think about it. It's already been a decade and I
Bobby Bones
mean seven years, no first round pick. 2024, they did draft verse, which they just traded. 2025, no pick. So what I had heard is that they drafted Ty Simpson this last year because they felt like this trade was going to happen and they knew if they didn't draft a quarterback they could not get one at all next year. And that Stafford is obviously awesome, but also old. And so whenever you know that a little bit of hindsight, it does make More sense now if you don't think Ty Simpson is good, that's different. But you were like, why did you have to. First round quarterback. Whenever you have Matthew Stafford and you're going to pay him, you know, a bunch of money, which they did. They paid him for another year as well.
Matt Castle
Yeah. Well, that makes sense then.
Bobby Bones
But it does make sense if you know you're not going to have a first round pick the next year unless somehow you're going to trade for one. But 20, 27 next year they will have no first round pick. So in 11 years they've had 1, 2, 3 first round picks.
Matt Castle
Yeah. And they had another one this year and they traded for McDuffie.
Bobby Bones
Chiefs. The corner chiefs. McDuffie's awesome too.
Matt Castle
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Bobby Bones
The other thing was, and this is a story, and I think the story is funny because it was very much The Vrabel Rossini, A.J. brown to the Patriots. All of that, but mostly it's to you. You're a big Patriots fan. How do you feel about A.J. brown?
Matt Castle
I'm fired up, man. It's one of those. It's been going on for how many months now? And then you didn't really believe it. Believe it. Until it was finally like, okay, it's officially official. We got our number one guy. Haven't had one since Randy Moss 15, 20 years ago. I'm fired up.
Bobby Bones
You think he. Because it's not Belichick's culture anymore. True. He played for. He didn't play for Variable though, did he? Yes, he did play a year with Variable.
Matt Castle
Yeah. And I read that that was a huge factor in why they were able to be like, okay, we'll give up a first rounder because Vrabel felt comfortable with him and bringing him in and felt like he could handle the, the, you know, the A.J. brown number one receiver drama that comes with it.
Bobby Bones
Yeah. Then I think I like it a little more. I didn't realize he played for Variable. The Variable was here. Rabel had to trade him, didn't he? Yeah. Now it's all kind of coming back to me.
Matt Castle
Remember that there was that viral video that on draft day where they traded him and they drafted your boy, Arkansas receiver. And yeah, we saw how that went.
Bobby Bones
He was hurt the whole time. I know. Hey, Traylon Burks. He was hurt.
Matt Castle
Sorry. Traylon Burks. No, no shade to him.
Bobby Bones
Well, that's exciting then for you. Especially because of the variable, A.J. brown Previous relationship. And Variable knows what he's getting. Is A.J. brown old, though?
Matt Castle
He turns 29 this month.
Bobby Bones
Okay, so he's got two and a half, three years before he gets old.
Matt Castle
Yeah. Which I'll take. And, you know, we got Dobbs and free agency earlier in the year, and, I mean, it's a pretty damn good offense now. Offensive line still needs work. That's why we drafted Guy in the first round. But it's. It's. The offensive weapons are there.
Bobby Bones
A.J. brown, one of seven players in NFL history with at least 8, 500 receiving yards, 60 touchdown catches in his first seven seasons. He only played seven years, dude. It feels like he's played 20 years.
Matt Castle
Yeah. And for, like, five different teams.
Bobby Bones
Patriots had 10 picks in next year's draft, one in each of the first four rounds and two in the fifth. So the two picks they traded, though, were what, a first and 28, right?
Matt Castle
Yeah.
Bobby Bones
So that wasn't even next year.
Matt Castle
No, it's not even next year. And then a 5th and 27 next year.
Bobby Bones
Feels like the Eagles just wanted to get out from underneath them, huh?
Matt Castle
I know. I think it's all about cutting that salary is what it was. Cutting in half and just getting them off the books. I mean, when they drafted Makai, Lemon is like, okay, yeah, for sure this is gonna happen.
Bobby Bones
Cobj is going back to the Giants.
Matt Castle
Yeah.
Bobby Bones
Is that. Is that a thing?
Matt Castle
I don't know. I was like, wow. And I'm like, yeah, but. But I mean, when I know he hasn't played in. It's only been a year or so, but he hasn't been relevant in a while.
Bobby Bones
Yeah. I thought when they said he was going back, he was going back to be like an ambassador to, you know, how they have old players, like being ambassador to the fans.
Matt Castle
Yeah.
Bobby Bones
I thought that's what it was. I didn't know he was actually going to go back and play.
Matt Castle
Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah, I. I was a little surprised. I mean, who knows if he even makes a team?
Devonte David
For sure.
Bobby Bones
Did OBJ ever play for Harbaugh?
Matt Castle
Yeah, on the Ravens.
Bobby Bones
Okay, so there's an example of Harbaugh probably knowing not just what he's getting as far as a distraction, but also what he's getting athletically as a wide receiver. Yeah, he's two years older, but I always feel a little better about those if there's been a previous relationship where it's not a surprise to the head coach because he's had to have experience with them.
Matt Castle
Yeah.
Bobby Bones
And so.
Matt Castle
Totally agree.
Bobby Bones
Yeah. OBJ did play for the Ravens. That's. That was. That's weird.
Matt Castle
Yeah, it's kind of like DeAndre Hopkins played for the Ravens. Just like, like. Yeah.
Bobby Bones
But then he started playing for everybody.
Matt Castle
Yes.
Devonte David
He kind of.
Bobby Bones
It's hard to even remember him with the Texans, even though he was so dominant. He just playing for everybody.
Matt Castle
That's when he was so good because.
Bobby Bones
Texans, Cardinals.
Matt Castle
Yep.
Bobby Bones
Titans, Ravens, Chiefs. Chiefs.
Matt Castle
Forgot about the Chiefs.
Bobby Bones
Are all five of those accurate?
Matt Castle
Yeah. Bingo.
Unidentified NFL Player or Analyst
All five.
Bobby Bones
And then is he playing next year?
Matt Castle
As of right now? No.
Bobby Bones
No. Yeah.
Matt Castle
Yeah. He's a free agent as of now.
Bobby Bones
All right, well, there you go. There's your not late breaking, but you're semi late. It's nice to have NFL news in general, though.
Matt Castle
How about Russell Wilson, cbs? Did you see that?
Bobby Bones
I did see a headline on that.
Matt Castle
He's gonna be an analyst.
Bobby Bones
So he. It's one of those deals, though, where if he decides to go back, he gets to get out of his contract and go play.
Matt Castle
Yeah.
Bobby Bones
Or is he saying for sure he's not playing? Because a lot of times what will happen is, and I don't know about this situation, they agree to these deals, but there's also a caveat in their contract going if they do get a look that they can step back into the game.
Matt Castle
I did see he had an offer from the jets to be the backup to Gino, and he said no to that.
Bobby Bones
He's expected to join the Sunday pregame show replacing Matt Ryan and will sit alongside James Brown, Nate Burleson and Bill Cower. So just a pregame show right now, huh? Yeah, I bet if he gets a decent offer, he goes back and plays a little bit. He seems to think he can always play anything and that he's always QB1.
Matt Castle
Yeah.
Bobby Bones
Like, regardless. All right, that's it. Thank you everybody for listening. Thanks to Matt Castle. Thanks to Kickoff, Kevin. Thanks to Brandon Ray. Thanks to me.
Matt Castle
That's it.
Bobby Bones
We've had lots to say. We'll see you guys next time week. Bye, everybody. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.
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The Bobby Bones Show — “Lots to Say: Super Bowl Champion Lavonte David and Garrett/Brown Traded!” Date: June 3, 2026 | Host: Bobby Bones & Matt Cassel | Key Guest: Lavonte David
This episode features a wide-ranging discussion with retired NFL linebacker Lavonte David about his career, transition out of football, and life lessons from the game. The hosts also break down blockbuster NFL trades, including Myles Garrett and A.J. Brown, and riff on classic sports and life scenarios. The signature “Situational Awareness” segment brings humor and personal stories from the gridiron and beyond.
(00:48–18:18)
Handling Teammates in Trouble (00:48)
NFL Support Systems & Discipline (02:03)
Youth Sports Parenting (08:58)
Celebrity Encounters & Awkward Moments (11:37)
Splitting Bills & Rookie Hazing (15:04)
Coaching Rivalries (16:47)
(19:22–37:58)
(38:17–47:08)
Browns trade Myles Garrett to the Rams for Jared Verse and multiple picks.
“You're going to get to see Myles Garrett play for something, actually have a chance to win a championship... how dominant he is when they can't focus the entire team to stop him.”
(Bobby Bones, 40:25)
Rams’ history of trading first-round picks for proven players (Goff, Stafford, Cooks, Ramsey, Verse).
Lavonte David, on JUCO:
“It humbled me in a way. It helped me grow as a man and as a football player. It taught me a lot of discipline... Totally different aspect of football in junior college.”
(21:36)
Lavonte David, on aging in football:
"...this past season, the past couple of seasons, reminded me, yeah, buddy, you getting up there in age, man. You play through some things that you don’t want to play through."
(20:46)
Bobby Bones, on beating Texas as Arkansas coach:
“I’m going full horns down immediately. Right in the middle camera. There’s only one school that I hate and it’s Texas.”
(16:59)
Matt Cassel, on A.J. Brown trade:
"Fired up, man. We got our number one guy. Haven’t had one since Randy Moss. I’m fired up.”
(43:13)
Bobby Bones, on failing at golf:
“I have a friend that’s really bad at golf, and he never practices, but he gets so pissed when he plays bad. … Why is your expectation to par a hole when… you never par holes and you never practice?”
(06:47–06:53)
The tone is informal, friendly, and self-deprecating, brimming with inside sports anecdotes, camaraderie, and lighthearted ribbing. Interviews, especially with Lavonte David, are conversational with real emotional depth contrasted by the show’s comedic, fast-paced banter on NFL news and life off the field.
This summary provides a comprehensive guide to the episode’s content, key moments, and discussion highlights, ideal for listeners who want the inside scoop without the runtime.