Lots to Say: Super Bowl Stories and NFL Insider Mike Garafolo

Summary

Podcast Summary: Lots to Say: Super Bowl Stories and NFL Insider Mike Garafalo

Episode Release Date: January 29, 2025
Podcast: The Bobby Bones Show
Host/Author: Premiere Networks

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Introduction

In this episode of "The Bobby Bones Show," hosts Bobby Bones and Matt Castle delve deep into Super Bowl narratives, NFL insights, and engage in insightful discussions with NFL Insider Mike Garafalo. Skipping over the usual advertisements and non-content segments, the hosts focus on delivering a rich and engaging conversation for their listeners.

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Super Bowl Predictions and Team Analysis

Bobby Bones and Matt Castle kick off the discussion by sharing their Super Bowl predictions, focusing primarily on the Kansas City Chiefs versus the Philadelphia Eagles matchup.

• Bobby Bones states his confidence in the Chiefs, highlighting his bet on Patrick Mahomes and the team's stability:
  "I've just bet on Mahomes. That's it." ([03:09])

• Matt Castle agrees, emphasizing the Chiefs' veteran leadership and Mahomes' calculated play style:
  "Patrick Mahomes... he takes care of the football. These are calculated risks that he takes." ([05:46])

The conversation shifts to analyzing both teams' strengths:

• Eagles' Strengths:

  • Saquon Barkley's dynamic running game
  • Vic Fangio's defensive strategies
  • Enhanced secondary and drafting talent
  • "They are playing really good football right now." ([04:57])

• Chiefs' Strengths:

  • Patrick Mahomes' experience and decision-making
  • Veteran leaders like Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones
  • Improved offensive formations, such as stacking wide receivers to create separation
  • "The offense of the Chiefs... their ability to get their guys open." ([05:46], [06:23])

Matt Castle praises Andy Reid's coaching adaptability, especially in the face of injuries and offensive identity shifts:
“Andy Reid did a really good coaching job with this team.” ([27:29])

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Interview with NFL Insider Mike Garafalo

Mike Garafalo, a seasoned NFL Network reporter and insider, joins the show to provide expert analysis on the upcoming Super Bowl and other NFL-related topics.

Super Bowl Dynamics

• Eagles vs. Chiefs:

  • Mike identifies Jalen Hurts' improved performance and decision-making as crucial for the Eagles:
    “He saw... he knows exactly where he's going.” ([19:06])

  • He compares this year's offensive strategies to previous Super Bowls, noting the Chiefs' enhanced defense:
    “This feels like the Chiefs' best defense since Mahomes was the starting quarterback.” ([20:11])

Coaching Insights

• Andy Reid vs. Brian Schottenheimer:

  • Mike discusses the Dallas Cowboys hiring Brian Schottenheimer, highlighting his football intellect and player relations:
    “He has a great football mind. He relates to players.” ([55:15])

  • He also reflects on Pete Carroll's recent hiring by the Raiders, praising Carroll's energy and competitive spirit:
    “He will bring competitiveness back to that organization.” ([51:53])

Team Performances and Future Outlook

• Chiefs' Season Performance:

  • Mike commends the Chiefs for maintaining their winning mentality despite roster changes and injuries:
    “They just collectively have one guy back there with Patrick Mahomes that have been in this situation so many times.” ([04:48])

• Raiders and Pete Carroll:

  • Mike expresses optimism about Pete Carroll's impact on the Raiders, emphasizing Carroll's ability to energize and lead:
    “He is somebody that will immediately gravitate to.” ([52:16])

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Personal Anecdotes and Behind-the-Scenes Stories

Beyond the technical NFL discussions, Bobby Bones and Matt Castle share personal stories that add depth to their on-air chemistry.

• Matt Castle's Super Bowl Experience:

  • Matt recounts his time as a backup quarterback during a Super Bowl, detailing the intense pressure and unexpected responsibilities:
    “My super bowl week went from, like, this is awesome... To... I'm on.” ([44:24])

• Bobby Bones' Near-Death Experience:

  • Bobby shares a harrowing story from his youth when he fell off a house, rupturing his spleen, which nearly cost him his life:
    “I almost died there. Like internal drowning.” ([81:19])

• Pet Stories:

  • Both hosts humorously discuss their experiences with pets, including Matt's struggles with pet pigs and Bobby's aspirations for pet pigs:
    "We have a pig named Sprinkles. So, yeah, I definitely took a deficit that week for sure." ([47:34])

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Cultural and Media Discussions

The hosts also touch upon their favorite TV shows and documentaries, drawing parallels between media narratives and real-life NFL scenarios.

• "Chiefsaholic" Documentary:

  • Bobby Bones highly recommends the documentary for its entertaining portrayal of Chiefs fans, sharing his excitement despite its length:
    “All set. What'd you think about it?” ([60:01])

• Favorite TV Shows:

  • Matt Castle discusses his interest in shows like "The Agent" and "Lioness," while Bobby Bones expresses a fondness for "Severance" and "The Office."

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Conclusion

In this episode, Bobby Bones and Matt Castle offer listeners a comprehensive blend of expert NFL analysis, personal stories, and engaging discussions with Mike Garafalo. The conversation not only provides deep insights into the upcoming Super Bowl but also showcases the hosts' personalities and their ability to connect with both the sport and their audience on a personal level.

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Notable Quotes:

• "Take a minute, make a plan. Never drive impaired." – Bobby Bones ([00:00])
• "Patrick Mahomes... he takes care of the football. These are calculated risks that he takes." – Matt Castle ([05:46])
• "He has a great football mind. He relates to players." – Mike Garafalo ([55:15])
• "I almost died there. Like internal drowning." – Bobby Bones ([81:19])

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Transcript

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Matt Castle]

We got lots to say we got lots to say. We're glad you're here and we hope you cause we got lots to say yeah, we got lots to say. Now here's Bobby and Matt.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm the Bobby one that picked the Chiefs, he's the Matt one that picked the Bills. So we just want to say I.

[Matt Castle]

I knew you were going to rub that. Right. This is really so.

[Bobby Bones]

You know, I've just. I've just bet on Mahomes. That's it.

[Matt Castle]

You know what? I should have done the same thing. I'm going to sit here and say I was wrong, because until somebody beats them, especially the Buffalo Bills, how can you not go with the Chiefs? It was a dumb, dumb decision by me.

[Bobby Bones]

As of right now, I also expect them to run it up on the Eagles.

[Matt Castle]

I mean, until somebody proves that they can do it. I mean, how do you not go with the Chiefs?

[Bobby Bones]

I guess the only difference is Saquon, right?

[Matt Castle]

It is.

[Bobby Bones]

And there are other small factors and personnel changes. Yes. But if you're talking about macro.

[Matt Castle]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

And that's a. That's a big macro. I mean, Saquon's awesome, but otherwise it feels very similar. Same two quarterbacks, same coaches, and 0 and 4 are coaches playing a rematch in the Super Bowl.

[Matt Castle]

You're saying at how are they playing.

[Bobby Bones]

The two coaches that have had a rematch? Or there have been four coaches that have played in a rematch in the super bowl, all four have lost.

[Matt Castle]

Interesting. Yeah. I think that this is a different team, too. And you point to Saquon Barkley, which is going to be the biggest factor, without a doubt. But then I think second to that would be Vic Fangio, their new defensive coordinator, because he's brought so much stability of that defense. They've done an outstanding job of drafting talent. They've got a great secondary. And it's interesting when you watch these two teams, particularly on defense, but Vic Fangios, he'll show you what he's going to do. They're going to be a Cover 4 show, which means two safeties deep. They're going to have some exotic blitzes mixed in there on situational football, but they're just going to play fast and they're going to go and they're going to tackle and they're going to play with energy, they're going to play hard. They're going to create turnovers, which they have throughout the course of this season. And so that defense with the ability to run the football with Saquon Barkley and that offensive line, that's what makes them so difficult to beat. But then you look at the Kansas City Chiefs.

[Bobby Bones]

Do I hear an Eagles prediction already?

[Matt Castle]

No, not at all. I said that's what makes them difficult to beat. But then you look at The Kansas City Chiefs. And everybody's like, oh, well, they're down here and they're missing this. And they don't have a true number one wide receiver that's, you know, the man or considered the alpha right now. But they just collectively, they have one guy back there with Patrick Mahomes that have been in this situation so many times, he doesn't blink and he always makes the right plays and the right decisions in those moments. And then you've got enough veteran leadership with the Travis Kelsey to the world and Chris Jones on the opposite side that they're playing really good football right now. You know, especially Patrick Mahomes at the tail end of that season. I think I said this last week, when you look at his last six games of the year, 16 touchdowns, zero interceptions, he takes care of the football. And some people think he's a gunslinger, but these are calculated risks that he takes. And when he does make that calculated risk, 99% of the time, he makes the right decision.

[Bobby Bones]

You know what I thought was so fun about the offense of the Chiefs last week against the Bills was they were running a lot of stacks with the wide receivers to keep the man coverage from, from jamming them off the line. Like, if you don't have receivers that can create separation off the line like that, stack is almost impossible to stop because you can't get. And there were times where Kelsey would go in motion and he would be in. It would be a stack formation or the receivers would be one behind the other because again, you can't touch him. He's behind a guy. And they use that a lot as the. They. That was their ability to get their guys open. And Kelsey only had a couple of catches. A couple, few catches.

[Matt Castle]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

But a couple of those when he was coming out of like stack formation, was that a, a weapon that you were able to use when you played quarterback?

[Matt Castle]

100% and that, that's what you have to do. I used to love stacks, bunches. And then you switch up your release patterns and when you have veteran guys like a DeAndre Hopkins, JuJu Smith, Schuster, guys that have understand their release patterns because defenses have to make a decision, are we going to play one on, one off? Which you always have to be on different, different levels in a certain stack. Are you going to play combo coverage? But how you release on that, the guy at the point, if he attacks the outside. Now this guy works on the inside, but now he automatically has leverage coming outside. So if you understand what's, what's going on, the defense side of the ball, which is easy to see a lot of times just because of film study. It creates an advantage for the offense, and you don't have to go and line up, you know, man to man, right across from each other and beat them with skill all the time. You just beat them with leverage, and that's what good coaching is. Andy Reid's been doing that throughout the course of his career of how do we put our players in a. In a position to be the most successful? And a lot of times, it's just those stacks and bunches which creates those openings in the defense. And you find that software.

[Bobby Bones]

This wasn't on the show. You and I were talking before we came on, and you were mentioning that you had just talked on the phone to Sirianni. Did not know you guys were friends. How do you know Sirianni? What's the mood? Is he. Is he tight because the game's coming up?

[Matt Castle]

No, he was awesome. I've known him forever. I mean, the. The first time he was a head. I mean, not even the head coach. He was, like, low man on the totem pole. When I got to Kansas City, he was doing all the, like, you know, you've got to type in the play and do. He was working long hours, but he was a nobody back then. No offense, Nick. I mean, I thought we all were a nobody back then. Yeah, I thought you were somebody that. And he had the nickname Pipes. I think I mentioned that before just because he also always used to wear cutoff shirts and come right out of the gym because he'd always be working out. But I called him today just to congratulate him, and it's like old friends, you know, you're shooting the. You're having fun, talking about the game and just cracking jokes and catching up with the kids and stuff. But he was excited. He said, team's playing really well. And he's like. I was like, how do you. How do you feel about Saquon Barkley? He's like, are you kidding me, Cass? He is awesome. And he's a great dude, too. So it was. He's excited about this opportunity to go back to the super bowl, and he thinks he's got a really good team.

[Bobby Bones]

Speaking of your time with the Chiefs, I had Scott Pioli. I was talking to Scott Pioli, who came from the Patriots, but then went over. It was the general manager with the Chiefs. He traded for you, right?

[Matt Castle]

He did. He traded for me. Thank you, Scott. Appreciate you.

[Bobby Bones]

I brought you up to him, and I wanted to play this. And the first clip is with Scott Pioli and myself, which, by the way, I love Scott. I've had a chance to talk to him a few times on different things. He's the best. Oh, when I saw that he was free, I was like, I love talking to Scott Pioli. So we talked about how the Patriots evaluated you coming out of usc, because he was a part of that process.

[Scott Pioli]

Matt, I, I, I adore Matt and, and his family. Right? But I remember being there at practice and I was watching the quarterbacks throw, and I'm watch Castle, who was a senior. I was like, this guy's interesting. He had the prototype body, looked good, and he had this really good energy about him. Then as practice starts, this guy's wearing, like, one of those pullover pennies on the kickoff coverage. Scout team. He's doing anything and everything. We are firm believers in player development. In Matt, we found a guy who was smart, who was dedicated, who loved the game, willing to do anything and everything. And we said, well, you know, at worst, this guy might be able to be a really good backup quarterback. That's what we thought of him coming out. Draft him in the seventh round. He helps us win 11 games. And when he was in Kansas City, when Charlie Weiss was our coordinator that year, Matt threw for 27 touchdowns and only seven interceptions, went to the Pro bowl, and we won the division.

[Bobby Bones]

Thoughts on that statement there?

[Matt Castle]

Oh, Scott, no, I've always loved Scott, and he's somebody that believed in me, took me with him to Kansas City, and we weren't really able to establish, obviously, what they've got going there. But Scott is one of the most genuine people that you'll meet in this business. He truly cares about you as a person. He cares about your family. He gets to know you. He's somebody that's so informed, and he understands the importance of the locker room, the type of individuals that you bring in there, the dynamics of being a good teammate, people that are going to work hard. Is it a fit culturally, or are we going to just bring in the guy because he's super talented, but he might have some problems getting along with people or might be one of those guys that eventually will become a cancer if things aren't going well for him. So I've always had a tremendous amount of respect. I know him personally, I know his family. He's just an incredible guy, and I'm very fortunate to.

Don't cry, man.

It's okay. No, he's awesome.

[Bobby Bones]

I got another one, though. I was just talking about you. And this is him talking about what made you successful. Go ahead.

[Scott Pioli]

Matt was acutely aware of what he could do and what he couldn't do. He trusted the coaches around him when he was at his best. He trusted the coaches around him to put him in a position to succeed and not fail. And I know that sounds so basic and generic, but players aren't always put in a position in order for them to succeed. And when Matt was put in that position, he had a great deal of success.

[Bobby Bones]

Expand on what he means that some players aren't put in a position to succeed. Is it they're in a bad system?

[Matt Castle]

Sometimes bad systems, sometimes bad personnel around. Around them. Sometimes there's not always the collaboration that needs to take place between an offensive coordinator and a quarterback. And by that I mean a lot of times you come in and you'll review the game plan and you'll say, hey, I really like these six passes to start. I'm not too comfortable with this hold off on this unless we're getting this particular coverage. In addition to that, when you talk about system, it's the checks at the line of scrimmage. When we were with the Patriots and I had a tremendous amount of respect and love for Josh McDaniels, who just resigned with the Patriots, which was going to be great for Drake May. But what we would always do is we'd start formationally three wide receivers to one side. Well, immediately, you know, if the corners are all over, that's man to man. So we'd give. They'd give me two plays in my helmet. So one was a man beater, one was a zone beater. If the corners didn't travel, I knew immediately it was zoned. So I'm checking at the line scrimmage. And now we have the advantage because we know we're throwing against zone and we've got a zone beater. Some teams will just call plays and hope for the best. And it's not. It's something that as a quarterback, you're going, gosh, this is awful. This looks awful. I'm going to have to throw the ball away. And so there's all those different dynamics. And then it's always the coach player relationship that you. You have that sometimes, you know, you get along with the guy. And then there's other times where you might have a lot of friction. And I had a lot of friction at times with Todd Haley, and my time in Kansas City was a tumultuous one because of it.

[Bobby Bones]

Mike Garofalo is on with us now. I'm excited about this because when it comes to being an insider, as far as the NFL goes, like, there are few that I would compare with Mike. And we'll talk Super Bowl. I know. And I'm gonna. We're gonna lead with this. Like, he grew up a big Eagles fan, but I guess you can't really be a fan anymore once you're in the media.

[Matt Castle]

Well, you still probably could, but private publicly, I think that they always say, oh, no, I'm not anybody. You know this. My job comes first and foremost. I have to be objective. But at home, let's be honest, he's wearing his Eagles gear.

[Bobby Bones]

I think so, too. There are times, too, I have. I'll go to, like, the PR press box if there's an Arkansas game they don't let you cheer or wear.

[Matt Castle]

Come on. Well, because. Yeah, that's right. I've been in a few of those.

[Bobby Bones]

And yeah. And I'm like. And they're like, you cannot cheer or yell. So I'll excuse myself. Yes. Follow him. Ike Garofolo on Twitter and Mike Garofolo on Instagram. Here he is, NFL Network reporter and insider. Mike Garofalo.

[Matt Castle]

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[Bobby Bones]

You grew up Eagles fan. I don't know how you feeling right now. Eagles about to play in the super bowl again. Are you Die Hard or no, no, I mean that.

[Matt Castle]

That kind of goes by the wayside once you're in the business and once you're covering these teams. I covered The Giants from 2004 to 2012 and I got crap from the Giants fans who were like, there's an Eagle fan covering the Eagles or covering the Giants. And I was like, I stopped being an Eagles fan when I covered the Eagles. Like you just can't. It's the old, you know when you see how the sausage is made and you've got to maintain that level of objectivity. It's kind of forced to happen. I mean, I explain it all the time as this back in I don't know when it was 29 or something like that. The Giants were playing in Philadelphia on a Sunday night game and I'm working for the Star Ledger at the time and our story has to be in by the end of the game, which was always on a night game was was always a tough thing to do, especially in a tight game. Eagles are Giants, excuse me, are up six and the Eagles have the ball with two minutes to go. They're up five. It was 36, 31. I want to say, and if the Eagles score, I'm screwed because now I got to rewrite my story in a matter of seconds and have it in before the final gun. So I was rooting for the Giants to make a stop there. So I'm like, see, it's. It's impossible. There's too much that you've got personally when you're doing this job for you to be a fan. But I did grow up. I explained to my kids the other day, I was like, the Eagles are going to the super bowl for the third time in the last seven years or whatever it is. I said, when daddy was a kid, Eagles never went to the super bowl once. He can't root for them anymore, Mike.

So we got the Chiefs, we've got the Eagles. What do you think is going to be the biggest difference in this game as opposed to two years ago when they met in the super bowl outside of Saquon? Barkley.

I think. Well, yeah, outside of Saquon, I think. I think it's. I mean, for the Eagles, it's got to be a poised. Jalen hurts. That critical mistake that he made with when he lost control of the ball there in that super bowl, you got to be a little bit less than that. I think he's done a great job. You know, I hear folks here at the Senior bowl and football folks are like, you know, he's not a traditional work the field pocket passing type court. I think he does a great job. You know, he saw the other day, he identified the coverage on one key play where he knew he had AJ one on one on the outside, takes the snap. He knows exactly where he's going. It's not like he's back there and he just doesn't see things like some quarterbacks that we've seen in the past. Is he going to work from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 in his progressions? Maybe not, but from 1 to 2, I think he's done a fantastic job and he knows what he could do when healthy with his legs. So I. I'd say that's gotta. That has to be the biggest difference. If the Eagles are going to pull this one off, it's got to be Jalen out. Mahomes ing Mahomes on this one.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you feel like this is the Chiefs best defense since Mahomes was the starting quarterback?

[Matt Castle]

Probably going through all the teams here and making sure that it's not just hyperbole because that's the. That's the team in front of me. But yeah, I think so. And I think Spags done a great job calling it. You know, we focused so much the last couple of days on social Media about what Josh Allen should have done with that motion behind him from Shakira on that play. You know, Spags understanding what he was going to be able to do with that corner blitz call tight to the coverage, knowing he can get on him quickly, I thought was a, was a, was a great call in that spot. I love that. I love that when he makes the call in that situation, you always hear the announcer say, well, he's going to bring pressure here, but you don't know where it's coming from. You don't know the thought process behind it. It's. It's the way he's able to do what he does in those key spots without it being so. Without it being predictable and to put guys in positions to make those tough decisions like Josh Allen had to make. And by the way, Allen nearly pulled it off too, so you give him credit for that one, too. I just think that the way Spags is calling it right now, I don't understand why he's not a head coach right now, given all he's done as a coordinator the last couple of years. It's kind of crazy. But hiring practices in this league can be a topic for another visit with you guys.

Oh, well, let's, let's talk about coaching because there's been a few hires here, right? We've got Dallas Cowboys hiring Brian Schottenheimer. Do you think that was more of a panic decision by the Cowboys or do you think that they really looked at him and said, this is our guy moving forward?

I think Jerry thinks he's got a good head coach. I think he truly believes he made a good call and he can see more of Brian Schottenheimer being there day to day than anybody else can. So I truly believe, you know, he came away with and said, this feels like the best call for us right now. I know that, you know, continuity and comfortability for Dak Prescott was a big part of it. We also talked about the possibility of Jason Whitten joining the coaching staff. And guys like Mike McCarthy or somebody else might say, well, if there's going to be a coach in waiting here, why would I take this job or continue in this job? Especially because from our understanding, they tried to do a shorter term deal with McCarthy, almost like he was going to be a bridge head coach. When you're Brian Schottenheimer and you haven't been on that radar for 14, 15 years or whatever it is when he was a hot head coaching candidate, you say, well, I may never have this opportunity again. So I got to take the best opportunity that I possibly can right now in front of me. So we'll see how it plays out. I mean, I talked about the hiring practices in this league. I think a lot of times we get caught up in, well, this guy's a good offensive coordinator, he's a good play caller. This is the next hot head coaching candidate and the guy doesn't do well. And I think we're going to see that maybe with some of these guys that are in this cycle right now because it's a different job being a head coach and can you run things? So the fact that Brian Schottenheimer hasn't been that hot, excuse me, hot, young play caller for quite some time doesn't tell me that, oh, he's not going to be a good head coach. We'll see how it plays out.

[Bobby Bones]

What are the expectations over the next one to two years for the Raiders and Pete Carroll to be competitive?

[Matt Castle]

And to be competitive, by the way, that roster has got to get better. You know, I said last year, how do you evaluate Antonio Pearson, really give him a full grade? It's got to be an incomplete because that roster, you're not, especially in the quarterback position, knowing that he wanted to make an upgrade there. What's Pete going to do there now? You know, if it's a, if it's a five win roster, he'll get seven wins out of them. If it's a seven win roster, he'll get nine. Nine. That's just what Pete Carroll does. And I thought at the end of his tenure with the Seahawks, he was still going 9 and 8. Like, how is that disappointing in this league knowing you're on the plus side of 500 year in and year out? He certainly, you know, still has that youthful energy. I don't look at him and say, oh, he's 73 or whatever it is and oh boy, he's going to, he could coach for 10 more years. It's not crazy. He could coach into his 80s. So I think. But over the next one to two years, I think you see a competitive team. I think you see a team that's going to go into some places and win some games like against Kansas City. It's going to be a tough out for the teams in that division, in that conference.

Can you take us through the back and forth with the Jacksonville Jaguars and Liam Cohen and what took place there, turning down the job, then two days later coming in, accepting the job.

Well, what, what changed was Trent Balkitt, the general manager, being fired I'd understand why. Shotgun. You know, all you do is just make a couple of calls around the league for people to say, yeah, no, nobody's going to want to go work there. I shouldn't say nobody. But some of the top candidates who have options and have the ability to withdraw from a coaching search because, well, I got a good gig where I am right now, which Liam Cohen did, would say, well, I'd rather go. And which is not to say Trent Balky is a bad guy or anything, but, you know, he's. He has a certain reputation around the league, and I think a lot of people thought that in Jacksonville, the job could have been done a little bit better. So it's. It was Liam Cohen saying, well, I got to revisit this now. And, you know, could they have communicated better with. With the Buccaneers? Sure. Sounded like he didn't get back to them till late in the day and said, well, I was with my kid in the hospital all day. And by the way, I have to revisit this Jacksonville thing. Not telling them at the time, by the way, I'm here in Jacksonville getting ready to go into the building for my second interview. So that's where the Buccaneers were ticked off in the end. I listen, it's not like in this league you're a coordinator and you get a chance to interview for a head coaching job. You've got to explore it. And everybody who's been there before, Todd Bowles has been a coordinator who wanted a head coaching job and got it twice. He understands. So if he had said to him, look, hey, listen, they fired Balky immediately. They called me back. This changes everything. I got no problem. Just keep us in the loop because he was going to sign that contract. But, yeah, listen, I know we had a verbal agreement, but things changed. They would have understood that. They did understand that in the long run, they just wanted to communicate a little bit better.

[Bobby Bones]

Early in the season, Sirianni was the villain to Philly fans, and he was on the hot seat. Now he's the hero, and he's playing in a Super Bowl. Has that relationship, though, been consistent with ownership the whole time, or is that always. Has it been also inside, like it felt like on the outside?

[Matt Castle]

I don't think. I mean, if it's basically one of those where. If this continues and it didn't continue, and I've had coaches on that coaching staff who have been around the league who have worked with multiple head coaches, some multiple successful head coaches tell me Nick Sirianni is the best head coach they've ever worked for. And I think the Eagles appreciate that. I know Howie Roseman appreciates that. He's been through a number of head coaches as a general manager and he understands what he has in this head coach. And again, not, not a play caller, right. Like he was hired as an offensive coordinator, but not a play caller. Just a guy that is running a really smooth, really successful operation right now and delegating, leaning on his people, but empowering his players and doing a great job of it. So I don't ever even to the point where when they were playing their first game well, if the Eagles lose today, Sirianni could be fired. I never really believed that. I didn't think that was a reality and I think anybody would have been nuts to consider that in Philly.

When you look at the Chiefs this year, obviously they've lost wide receivers, they've had issues on the offensive line, but they continue to find a way to win. Would you say this is more impressive than even last year in this run that they've gone on and what they've been able to accomplish this year?

Yeah, and I think Andy Reid should have gotten consideration for Coach of the Year. I'm going to find it funny when once again, a coach is up at NFL honors on Thursday of this coming super bowl week and accepts the Coach of the Year award while Andy Reid is game planning and preparing his team for the super bowl once again. Now that's the problem with the voting. And maybe, maybe for head coach or Coach of the Year, maybe they could push that voting back. Like it's not fair to do it to the players sometimes. But I think if we push that voting back for just that award to right before the Super Bowl, I think you'd have a fuller picture and I think Andy would get better. He's only won it once in his career, one time, and it was early in his tenure with the Eagles. That's what happens when the bar is so high because the Coach of the Year award, and there's no disrespect to Kevin O'Connell, who I think is going to wind up winning the award, the award is given to a coach who got more with less. Right. So if you're expected to win double digit games every year into the 12, 13 range and you wind up doing that or exceeding that, but you're not going to get that consideration, which I think is unfair because I think Andy Reid did a really good coaching job with this team. With a number of injuries they had early in the year with the Change in their identity on offense and trying to figure out who they are and being more of a defensive team, you know, I, I think he did a great job and I think that's why they're, they're a more complete dangerous team, I'd say, and have been in this.

[Bobby Bones]

Postseason offensively with DeAndre Hopkins, Hollywood Brown coming back from injury. Those are added elements it looks to me like for the Chiefs. So they've had to like, you know, I was an ugly kid, but then I got funny, then I got better looking, so I had all the tools. Then I feel like the Chiefs kind of had to like be ugly kids and figure out how to win. But now they have these weapons. Would you consider both of those guys reasons that the offense is clicking more? So yeah.

[Matt Castle]

And I think DeAndre Hopkins is the kind of guy who's going to be on this stage and you heard him after the AFC Championship game with some of the things that he said knowing that in this league these moments are fleeting and I think he appreciates it and he's going to want to go out there and going to make a big playing and they're going to want him to make a big play and they'll dial up something up for him to make a big play. So I, to me, it's always so impressive to me that you've got guys who have been around and they're hungry and sometimes the added pieces. The Eagles did a great job of that in 2017 where they added players who were on in their career and didn't have a ring or a chance to win a ring and they help fuel the fire. What's always more impressive to me is the Travis Kelsey's of the world. Remember how dialed up he was that he ran over Andy Reid in that super bowl last year? I'm like this guy, he could have retired, he would have had multiple championships. He's got all the money in the world, he's got all the individual accolades. But to be that hungry for a Super bowl win another one year in and year out, Patrick Mahomes to not go well, we could lose this AFC Championship game. That's fine. I got plenty of rings and I've been in the stage every year. So I proved like to still have that hunger. That to me is always the most impressive when I deal with these athletes because it's got to be hard to not be complacent. But you hear them say, well, when you do it once, you want to do it again so much more. That to me is the Most impressive thing. And the Chiefs have a lot of that going on.

Speaking of a want and desire, Buffalo just can't get over the hump, right? And when you look at their front office this season, they're sitting there and they're just trying to figure out a formula of how to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs. What do you think that they're going to key in on this off season moving forward?

I think they need more firepower. You know, they did the whole Matt Collins, Curtis Samuel, KJ Hamler, like we're going to throw a bunch of things at this receiver position and knowing that we moved on from Stefan Diggs, even Gave Davis left 3A free agency. And there's just, you need a little bit more, right? And I give those guys credit. They did a great job. The coaching staff did a great job. That group did a great job. Matt Collins came on really, and did a lot of things that maybe people didn't think he was. Some of the outstanding catches in traffic that he made for a guy who, I remember early in his career, I thought I said, this guy's coming on, he's going to be a really big. And the Eagles reduced him to kind of a, you know, he did the dirty work, he did a lot of the blocking. And so it's. They did a nice job getting to this stage, but you still need more. And Khalil Shakira will come on a little bit more and Keon Coleman will do more of the things that he's supposed to be doing and being asked of in this league. But I just think you just need a little bit more firepower from that wide receiver core. I think that that'll be what they're looking to do this offseason.

[Bobby Bones]

Back to the Chiefs for a second in their offense. How hard is it to go from an. To be a lineman, an inside lineman, to have to go play tackle? Because again, we don't spend a lot of time studying the linemen because they're not the guys playing fantasy or. So how hard is that?

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, but I was just talking to Giants guys here at the Senior bowl because they've got Evan Neal, who they drafted as a tackle and might have to move inside the guard. And it's like, is that hard? Is it. You need to have that skill set and that's something that you have to be able to. To see in a guy. And a lot of times like, oh, he could be. He's a. He could play guard if we need him to do that. And we've seen enough Guys make that transition. Makai Becton is the latest to do it, to move in from tackle. But to go from guard to tackle feels like the harder move, right? To get out there in space and to be asked to do things one on one. Tunis, just an amazing player. He's just. And they got. That was a huge contract when they signed him. I mean, that was huge. We've had some bigger deals as the market and you see it at every position. They play that game of leapfrog, but when they did that deal, they got every bit of their money's worth on that one. He's just a really good, phenomenal player and a guy that can make that move for them.

So, Mike, who do you got in the Super Bowl? You gotta make your prediction. Come on, we're gonna put you on the spot. Yeah, I want to hear it.

This feels like. This feels like an Eagles team that has just been. It's gotten better as the game has gone on. You know, it's funny, I was watching. My wife doesn't watch a lot of football. We were watching the NFC championship game together. And when the Eagles went up 14, 3, I said, the game is over. She's like, the game's not over. The game's. And then they. Washington scores in 1412. And I said. And she goes, you see, the game's not over. They're just within two points here. And I said, or 14, whatever the number was, 14, 13. And I said, you don't understand. You got to be ahead of the Eagles. You got to be ahead of the sticks, right? Because later in the game they're going to wear on you. And Saquon is going to find that, that hole and he's going to, he's going to pop that run in that offensive line. You got a hard time containing their running game. So I just feel like this team has got that extra little gear, especially in the second half this year. They've played some terrific four minute offense because they're able to run the football. They've been able to put games out of reach because they're able to run the football. I just think that this is a different Eagles team here. I got to give them the edge here and I don't know what the final score will end up being, but I'll give the Eagles by a small margin.

[Bobby Bones]

We hear whistles Last question. What's going on with you right now?

[Matt Castle]

We're at the Senior bowl here in Mobile, Alabama. The slogan is the draft starts in Mobile. Here at the Reese's Senior Bowl, On NFL Network. Always a good time to come down here and start to really get some experience talking to these guys and seeing these guys, because we're going to be talking about them for the next three months as we head into the draft. So to see them in action. You know, we watch college football as the season goes on, but we're so locked in in the NFL that, you know, we really need to start digging into some guys here. So it's always a great scene. And this is where a lot of business gets done. I remember I was telling Joe Shane, the Giants gm, I said, I remember that clip from Hard Knocks. Not, not the one with John Maurer and Saquon Barkley, but the one where he's talking to Dan Morgan on the field here in Mobile. And Morgan kind of says, would you trade me a one for Brian Burns? And they kind of pause it and what's his name that does the Liv Schreiber. I'm blanking. And then leave. Shriver comes in and he says, that sounded like Dan Morgan just made Brian Burns available via trade. And you saw it like, so this is where a lot of that stuff, a lot of these seeds are planted here with regard to the business of the NFL over the next couple months.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, Mike, we appreciate it and we'll put Mike's. You can follow him on his socials. We'll put it in our notes. Appreciate you. And hopefully we'll talk to you again soon, Mike.

[Matt Castle]

You got it, guys. Thanks for having me.

Thanks, Mike.

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[Bobby Bones]

Matt, how many rings do you have?

[Matt Castle]

Zero. That's hard to say. Weird. 2007 was my only opportunity to go to the super bowl with the Patriots when we were undefeated. 180 going into the super bowl and we played the Giants and there was the catch on top of the head.

[Bobby Bones]

And I didn't know that. I wouldn't have asked it that. Happily. No, you know what? I did too. I look because again, I should know more about you. You and your career. But then I think, well, you don't know crap about me either, so we'll just ask it on a microphone. I asked chat GPT like 10 seconds ago.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. How many rings this is what it says.

[Bobby Bones]

Was Matt Castle on any of the super bowl winning teams? Yes. Matt Castle was part of the Patriots team that won Super bowl in 2003 and 2004 as a backup quarterback.

[Matt Castle]

No, see, I came not see that chat TBD. So you can't trust AI. Dude, you can't trust AI. I'm trying to tell you. My first year in the league was 2005. It's one of those situations where you sit There that every backup that played before me or after me has a ring there. Jimmy Garoppolo, Brian Hoyer, Brissette, I think has one. I mean, you could go down the list. I was like, all these guys are rocking bling and I've got nothing to show. I just have this sick feeling in this pit in my stomach, like, we could have been the best of all time. 19 0. How great would that be? And have that ring? No, I never got to go to the ring ceremony at Crafts House. Never got to do it. But I got to see all these pictures and all my buddies telling me about it. I was like, that looks like the best rager of all time. But no, no.

[Bobby Bones]

Never feel like such a.

[Matt Castle]

We won. We won in college. That was great, too.

[Bobby Bones]

You did win a champion of college.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, but I never played.

[Bobby Bones]

That's okay.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, I didn't either. As. As. As Pioli was saying, I would switch off my jersey to go run down on scout team kickoff. That was awesome.

[Bobby Bones]

I feel a little bad about asking that question.

[Matt Castle]

No, you shouldn't feel bad.

[Bobby Bones]

The only reason I don't feel totally bad is once Matt was over here, we were just talking about, I don't know, watching TV or something, just hanging out, and Matt was like, yeah, we watched this, and sometimes we'll even watch Dancing with the Stars, which I thought that would be how you had heard of me.

[Matt Castle]

Well, I wanted you to get into it. Well.

[Bobby Bones]

And I was like, oh, yeah, you know, I won that show. He goes, you did the show? And I was like, yeah, that's why. And so I brought the trophy on. He's like, wow. And so the fact that you didn't know that.

[Matt Castle]

Well, I mean, I wasn't. I'm not a religious. But that's my watcher of that show.

[Bobby Bones]

Me either. But you. It came up out of nowhere that you watched it.

[Matt Castle]

My kids were sick that entire season. That's why, you know, I was attending to sick kids.

[Bobby Bones]

But I. I wasn't offended. You didn't know.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, and that's why I'm not offended that you asked that.

[Bobby Bones]

I guess the difference is I have the trophy when you did. I know.

[Matt Castle]

I know. That's a fact. That is such a flesh.

[Bobby Bones]

I know. That is not good.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

What is it, like, the week of the super bowl or. Not even the week of. I'm more curious about the week before the week of, because that's kind of an odd week.

[Matt Castle]

It was an odd week. Now, I'm not going to lie. It was a stressful week for me. So we played the Chargers in the AFC championship game and late in the, late in the game, Brady gets rolled up on, gets an ankle like hobbling. I was like, oh my God, am I going to go in for the first time in meaningful game in the AFC championship? He finishes the game, but his ankle is swollen, I mean, so he can't practice at all that, that week. So we're getting ready in the week leading up to like before you actually go to the super bowl for the final week preparation, it's a little bit more moderated in terms of they're trying to protect some guys, get guys healthy, but at the same time you're still starting to implement the game plan. So you're going out there running, running the show and Brady's not there. So I'm the backup quarterback. He's having careering, right. He's thrown 50 something touchdowns that year. So I have to go out to practice and like it was high level execution. You're trying to get ready, this team ready for the Super Bowl. But again, I'm not the guy in there all the time. So I'm trying to, you know, elevate my game. But for me, I didn't know what his situation was. I was, I was pretty confident that no matter what the circumstances, whether he had to shoot it up or not, he was going to play.

[Bobby Bones]

Did part of you think though, you may have to start the game, part of it I'm like.

[Matt Castle]

And so, so if you think about that circumstance, you know, the next year was the first time I started a game since high school. But imagine just imagine like that week going in and Brady's like, man, I just, I don't know what happened. They, you know, found a bone chip, this, that and the other. And you've got to start in the super bowl. And everybody's sitting there going, history's on the line 19. And oh, all these things are going through my head. Oh, man. Right. So there, there's a lot that went into that week. So the preparation leading up to that week was a little bit different for Brady because he was in the training room the entire time trying to get this ankle ready and ready to go. Even on the way out, there's a lot of attention on the plane getting to Arizona that, that week. But so we have a really limited time. We probably had three practices that week. And again, a lot of it was just implementing then giving some guys the time off and then you travel out. I think it was Sunday or a Monday. And so you've Got like, that bridge between starting practice on Tuesday or Wednesday that you get that one night where you get to go out with the fellas. And we went to, like, a Super bowl party with a bunch of the group and all that stuff, which is cool to be able to do team camaraderie. And then you go out to a big steak dinner. Of course, we play the credit card roulette.

[Bobby Bones]

No way.

[Matt Castle]

We have 20 guys there, all the offensive linemen, a lot of the defensive players, our whole group. My credit card, first of all, my credit card gets hit.

[Bobby Bones]

This is the greatest story. Oh, so you played with everybody there?

[Matt Castle]

Credit card, everybody there.

[Bobby Bones]

One credit card was gonna pay for every player.

[Matt Castle]

One credit card. We had, you know, Brady's there. We had Moss there. We had Welker there. We had every offensive lineman. Richard Seymour, Rodney Harrison, Teddy Brusky, Vrabel, all these guys.

[Bobby Bones]

A lot of protein.

[Matt Castle]

A lot of protein. And maybe a few cocktails going around, right? So this bill. This bill, I'm sitting there, and you know you've got 20 guys, so your odds are 1 in 20. You're still a 5% chance, right? 5%.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you know the bill price before they pull the card?

[Matt Castle]

No, not at all.

[Bobby Bones]

So they pull the card first?

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. So they're pulling out, right? And so now. Now it's getting down, right? They get to 10 more.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, they go reverse. So they're pulling out ones that don't lose first.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, they're pulling. And they had. Oh, you will not have to pay for their. They're handing them back. And so now it gets to five, and I'm starting to go, oh, my God. And then they get the three, and then there's two left. And I'm like, what are the chances? This one meal, we go out with all the starters, everybody there. I get picked. Boom. I'm on. I'm on. So there goes my playoff bonus that you get for playing in these games. I was just like, I don't even know what it was. It was like, 20 grand.

[Bobby Bones]

It's a 5% chance if there's 20 people. Yeah, 5% chance.

[Matt Castle]

So my super bowl week went from, like, this is awesome. A few parties, we're going out as a team, a steak dinner. Boom, boom, boom. To. That just sucked.

[Bobby Bones]

It went from. Now you're not starting, and you're paying.

[Matt Castle]

For everybody's food, and I'm paying for your food. I hope you guys play well.

[Bobby Bones]

That's unbelievable.

[Matt Castle]

Is that unbelievable?

[Bobby Bones]

Whose idea was it to suggest Lonnie.

[Matt Castle]

Paxton always Lonnie was a big credit card roulette guy, and he's like, put your names in. Put your credit cards in. And I was like, no, I don't want to pay for this meal. Like, just. I didn't think that there was any chance I'd get picked, but of course I did.

[Bobby Bones]

This is my favorite story from the entire start of the podcast. This story is my favorite.

[Matt Castle]

Just got crushed, dude. I mean, I went home, I sucked my thumb. Didn't tell anybody that story because I wasn't going to tell.

[Bobby Bones]

Were you married at the time?

[Matt Castle]

That was 2000. Yes, that was my first year married.

[Bobby Bones]

And how would that conversation have gone.

[Matt Castle]

With your wife, Honey? I didn't lose. Well, I technically lost 20, but I had a good meal that accounted for maybe 3% of the entire bill. But, yeah, we. You know, that playoff bonus we got, most of a majority of that just went to paying for everybody's dinner. Wow. Yeah. And I thought we were just out here to have a good time.

[Bobby Bones]

What a great story.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. That's probably why, even after the loss, I think I told you that, that I went down and partied a little bit more just because, you know, what else are you going to do?

[Bobby Bones]

Get the most money out of it.

[Matt Castle]

Exactly. Most money out of anything you can.

[Bobby Bones]

What are ticket requests like?

[Matt Castle]

Oh, it's insane. Back then, though, they would give you, like, 14 tickets, something like that. So we had a lot of tickets, or maybe it was 10 to 14, but it's. It's a significant amount. So a lot of guys that didn't have a lot of family coming, you can make a good piece of coin on those tickets. But I had my family, my brothers, my sister, my mom, my dad, my, you know, whoever was there. And then you've got a few cousins, so you maybe have a few leftover that you're trying to pay for that.

[Bobby Bones]

Meal you just got eaten up for.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, I. I should have told him. Look, guys, I know that I invited you guys all.

[Bobby Bones]

I only have eight now, guys.

[Matt Castle]

I don't have enough tickets for everybody. You guys are gonna have to print, play your own credit card roulette and see who's actually coming to this game, because I need that money. Yeah, so, no. So you could actually make a little bit of money going to those games. And so I was able to sell a few of them. But overall, I mean, it was mostly family because it's a special moment to have the family there and all that. So, yeah, I definitely took a deficit that week for sure. That started with A bang.

[Bobby Bones]

What's it like running on the field during the Super Bowl?

[Matt Castle]

It's incredible. I mean, you know that already. Just so much attentions in that game. But there's so much that goes on before the game and there's a lot of waiting around. Unlike other games that you have, even the halftime is an extended halftime. Normally it's 15 minutes. You're in the locker room, you're making your adjustments, you're doing all that and you're headed right back up. It's 30 minute halftime. You're like in there chilling. It's almost like you're going back to college. And so you can feel the intensity just rising as you're out on the field. All the cameras, all the people, all the celebrities, and you're warming up, but you're getting into your zone. Then you go in for an extended pre game, come back out, and then it's the national anthem. And I don't even remember who did, I should remember who did the national anthem. It was amazing. It was amazing.

[Bobby Bones]

It always is.

[Matt Castle]

It always is. It always is. And then, and then the game starts and you can, you know, just, I think as a player, when you experience it and you're out there, you can feel the energy even on the sideline. But as you see these guys out on the field, like it takes a few plays to get back in the flow of, okay, this is football. It's not all the other stuff going on. And so just to lock back in to what you're supposed to be doing. And then the game settles down and you start to figure out, you know, then it's that chess match of what are they doing on third down, how, what type of blitz schemes are they bringing. And you're trying to make your adjustments, you know, series in, series out, because, you know, every series is so meaningful in those games. And then you go in for halftime, come out, and now it's the last two quarters of the rest of the season and you're going to lay it all on the line.

[Bobby Bones]

What is your job as the backup quarterback during the Super Bowl? Like, what was it specifically? You have a headset on. Are you helping call? What are you doing?

[Matt Castle]

So I'd wear my helmet a lot of times just because I like to hear the call coming in from the coordinator. Because you just would go over, just out of a routine, you rehearse the call. So I would say the call out loud. And then a lot of times what we would do as backup quarterbacks is I'd specifically watch safeties Safeties, corners, nickels, any little tall tales that would give us anything. And then start. And I'd have a clipboard. I know damn backups in their clipboards. You have to write down like I would just write down specific things. And then when we come over and we'd look at that, I'd compare notes with what we're seeing picture wise. Because now they've got. You can watch film on the sideline, a tablet, which is unreal to me. I wish that was the case back in the day because it's so different watching it real time, making those adjustments versus looking at a still shot because a lot of times they capture that still shot. Well, that didn't really tell you what happened because they're showing you one thing. But then they rotate down into like a robber situation. It goes a single high and it's a completely different look and a completely different defense than what you saw on the picture. So, yeah, a lot of times that's what we do. Or I, I'd concentrate on a front. Are they always in an overfront? Is our pressure packages coming from the under underfront. And so you start to try to get a beat on what they're doing and stay ahead of that first, second, third down. It's all situational stuff as well.

[Bobby Bones]

Talk about coaching for a second. Your old coach, Pete Carroll has been hired by the Raiders.

[Matt Castle]

Love it. Yeah, love it. I mean, he's 73 years old and that was the big thing that everybody was making an argument, how are you going to hire him? But if you talk to this guy, he's the most energetic, charismatic human you'll ever meet. I talked to him this season because his son Brandon Carroll's up coaching for the Washington Huskies. And so I just want to get his perspective about, from being a dad and watching his son, his growth over the years. And he talked to me for 30 minutes. I thought it was going to be like a five minute discussion. And he talked to me for 30 minutes. He went in and at one point started talking to me about the history of the, the zone, outside zone run.

[Bobby Bones]

Game because so he's football guy.

[Matt Castle]

He is a football guy through and through. He loves it. He's like, matty, you guys don't have to worry about me. I know everybody's calling me, checking in on, seeing what I'm, I'm staying busy. I'm going to my grandson's games. I'm doing this. I, I mean, the guy, it seems like when you talk to him, he's 20 years old and he's definitely somebody that it will bring structure, he'll bring fun, but he's a winner everywhere he's gone, and he will bring a competitiveness back to that organization.

[Bobby Bones]

He seems extremely likable, and it seems just from watching it from 10,000ft up that obviously, I think the Raiders made it known they wanted. Ben Johnson didn't get them. He chose to go to the Bears. And from all reports that I've read, they just kept the same guys they had interviewed. Right. And Brady was very much a part of the process. And of those guys they interviewed, they went with Pete Carroll. Do you feel that they're bringing him in to kind of reset the program? It's not like he has 10 years in him. Right?

[Matt Castle]

Right. I don't think he has 10 years in him. I do believe, though, from a coaching standpoint and a name perspective, he is somebody that has prominence. Right. He has the respect of Lee. He's somebody that has won a Super bowl, been to another super bowl, had that opportunity to potentially win that if you just hand off the ball to Marshawn Lynch. But I wouldn't bring that up in a conversation. But I do believe that he still wanted to coach. And he's a guy that will come into that organization and bring life. Even though he's 73, he's somebody that guys will immediately gravitate to. And he coaches in a way that's different than anybody else I've ever been around. It's this. I think he's got a psychology background, is very positive by nature. He gets the best out of his players because they understand what's expected, what's being demanded of them. And at the same time, he makes it for a fun environment that you enjoy coming to work, and that sometimes is difficult to be able to capture in an NFL locker room.

[Bobby Bones]

What was he like when he recruited you? Did he recruit you?

[Matt Castle]

He didn't recruit me. So my first year at USC was Paul Hackett. He got fired. And that season, that. That off season, they went out and Mike Garrett was the AD at usc, and Pete Carroll was one of the names being discussed. And he had. He was in the NFL. They didn't know if he was going to make that transition back to college football. And at that point, he came in and immediately you felt this surge of energy. You know, he had a great staff with him, but he, as a leader, again, has such a magnetic personality that for who you were as a program at that period of time, we needed that. And that's exactly what he was able to do, and then his personality took care of the rest. He was able to go out and recruit all around the country. He can sit in front of any audience and talk to the wall if you wanted to, and entertain them. And so he was able to go out and recruit the guys that he wanted. He understood what he wanted to do with the program, and he took us to new heights.

[Bobby Bones]

The Cowboys hired their coach, Brian Schottenheimer. Interesting to me, because I have a lot of Cowboy friends, like, die hard fan friends. And I got to know Jerry a little bit, like Jerry did the whole thing, took us in his chopper, spent the day with them. It's been awesome. So, like, I have a big bit of a vested interest in the Cowboys from a secondary level, and I hoped Dion would get the job, because I do know Dion. So all these things, you know, it's all Cowboy adjacent for me.

[Matt Castle]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

I really wanted Deion to get the job. Now I don't know Brian Schottenheimer, and my friends are like, why are we hiring somebody who's an offensive coordinator, who didn't call the plays and has been a lifetime coordinator and not a head coach? I don't have the answer to give them. You know him, right?

[Matt Castle]

I do know him.

[Bobby Bones]

So how would you convince me, if I were a diehard Cowboys fan, to have hope in Brian Schottheimer?

[Matt Castle]

Well, it's interesting because he's 54 years old. He's been coaching in the NFL, been a longtime coordinator, as you've said, and he comes from a lineage that's legendary. Right. Marty Schoenheimer, his father, he's grown up around the game, and everybody that I've been around that has played for him likes him, says he's got a great football mind. He sees it. He relates to players. He's got a young energy about himself. So I think this has been a long time coming. He just has not had that opportunity. Now, I understand, as Dallas fans, you're sitting there going, well, they hired from within a guy that Jerry's comfortable with, somebody that potentially he can control. All the same, you know, arguments that are being made year in and year out. However, I think this is a great opportunity for Brian to come in and put his stamp on things. And at the same time, I think he's a really good football coach, so you got to let it play out. And you've got a team there with Dak Prescott, Micah Parsons. You've got pieces there that is not far away. You've got a lot of good personnel that if you can start to establish that Dak comes back healthy, well, he's been a guy that's had success as a coordinator and hopefully can put them in a position where they can compete. What?

[Bobby Bones]

I like the guy. If I were sitting with him, you'd love him.

[Matt Castle]

You'd love him.

[Bobby Bones]

What's he like as a dude? Dude.

[Matt Castle]

He's a dude. Like, he'd sit here and have a conversation. You'd go out, have a beer, do whatever it might be. And he's just a guy that is very relatable and you can sit down and he's got no ego, just wants to win, wants to be the best that he can be and get the best out of his players.

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[Bobby Bones]

Last Episode I recommended the documentary Chiefsaholic on Amazon. It's about Chief's kingdom. And this one guy, Chiefsaholic, wore a wolf costume. And the story that I remember before I watched the documentary was here's a guy who was a massive fan, huge social media following, and would rob banks on the way to away games so he could afford it. And I remember telling you, you gotta watch it. And it's tough to recommend something that's like two hours long because there's a lot of pressure. It was really long, actually way longer when I.

[Matt Castle]

They could have cut that by about an hour almost.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't know, about an hour.

[Matt Castle]

Okay. It was entertaining the entire time though.

[Bobby Bones]

All set. What'd you think about it?

[Matt Castle]

It was the craziest story I or documentary that I've watched in a long time. Because at first they're explaining this guy and his kind of alter ego as the Chiefaholic or Wolfman or whatever they called him. And just at every game and all this stuff and then all of a sudden I remember it vaguely, but then to watch it and actually go through the timeline and understand that this guy was a serial bank robber, he got good at it. He rode a bike away from the crime scene, like through the woods and then figured it out. And how about the target, like the obsession with Target. And he would put the money in a target bag. But he was successful. And then the fact that he was out on bond and was able to take off his. His little tracker device and they couldn't find him for what, eight, nine months.

[Bobby Bones]

FBI is involved, the bounty hunters.

[Matt Castle]

Bounty hunter. Bounty hunters looking for him. He's like, man, I'm going to eat 80 grand right now. I mean, it was. And while he was out as a fugitive, still robbing banks, winning on a bike, still doing the same thing. I just. It blew my mind.

[Bobby Bones]

And without spoiling all of it, because we're not. Trust me. We're just scratching the surface.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

He was caught because he was on his bike. And he had robbed a bank in Oklahoma, initially in Bixby, Oklahoma. And as they were looking for the bank robber, there was some random dude on a bicycle, which wouldn't be much of a story, except it was, like, 20 degrees outside.

[Matt Castle]

Right. That was. That was awkward.

[Bobby Bones]

Why is there a guy on a bike in the middle of winter? If you have Amazon prime, it's worth it. I expected to split it into two parts, but I was so into it, I went in and watched it all together. Kevin, do you watch it yet?

[J]

I have not, but I've heard.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, I forgot. You start. Didn't you started it. It's a lot of chiefs. He hates the Chiefs so much.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, yeah. It is a lot of chiefs.

[J]

But I heard once you get past that, since we've talked about it, like, the first 10, 15 minutes, it does get more into the story, less Chief Kingdom. Ish. Is that right?

[Bobby Bones]

Maybe it made me feel like a loser a bit. Because they are so die hard. Cheese Kingdom. They're so die hard. And I let Arkansas Razorback football and basketball dictate my mood for days at a time. That. That was me looking in a mirror, not liking who I was. Now, do I have a car that looks like that? Do I have.

[Matt Castle]

No, but do you have a room that's set up with all the memorabilia?

[Bobby Bones]

No, but I'm not that far from that. Like, I think my. If it weren't for my wife, I. I probably have a whole house looking like that.

[Matt Castle]

Do you have an Arkansas Razorback tattoo somewhere?

[Bobby Bones]

I have the State of Arkansas tattoo.

[Matt Castle]

See? See? You're getting there.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, that's because eventually I may possibly run for governor of the state. And when I was, like, bouncing around doing TV shows and stuff, I always wanted to represent you did more than, you know, have a hog. But I think.

[Matt Castle]

Wait, where's it at?

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, it's over here. All my tattoos are on this arm. Let's see. The state's right there. That's hardcore.

[Matt Castle]

Crush it.

[Bobby Bones]

Basically a biker dude. That's not it.

[Matt Castle]

Come on. What is it? That's.

[Bobby Bones]

That's not it at all.

[Matt Castle]

What is it?

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, my. I'm so insulting. You know what? Now we're even. For me going, how many rings do you have? I'm as insulted.

[Matt Castle]

I. That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to just.

[Bobby Bones]

How do you think it goes?

[Matt Castle]

I don't know. What do you guys do? It's a Pig. Right.

[Bobby Bones]

Sue up.

[Matt Castle]

I don't know. What.

[Bobby Bones]

What's the word to you that you think it is?

[Matt Castle]

I have no idea. I'm really not a Razorback fan. I'm sorry.

[Bobby Bones]

I never expected you to be.

[Matt Castle]

I mean, just because I didn't grow up there.

[Bobby Bones]

Of course, no part of me expects you to know anything about Arkansas.

[Matt Castle]

Is it suey?

[Bobby Bones]

Now we're talking. At least you have that.

[Matt Castle]

So, yeah, it's suey, right?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. So it's. The saying is, woo, pig. Or if you go full, it's woo.

[Matt Castle]

Pig, suey, do, but do it with enthusiasm.

[Bobby Bones]

How we do it, you go.

[Matt Castle]

Pig.

[Bobby Bones]

Suey, and then on the third time, you go, razorbacks. Yeah, that's right. That's what we do.

[Matt Castle]

Not sue a pig.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm so. I'm so insulted.

[Matt Castle]

Didn't you mess around with it a little bit? You know, had a little something to it.

[Bobby Bones]

I thought you messed around with a pig. I was like, I'm from Arkansas. But no, I did not mess around with it.

[Matt Castle]

Don't ever. You know, I have a pig at your house? At my house. Yeah. We got it during COVID This is a whole nother story.

[Bobby Bones]

Like a pet pig.

[Matt Castle]

A pet pig.

[Bobby Bones]

The dream for me was to get a pet pig my whole life.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. I don't know. They're very smart animals, but you want to hear this story? So we get these two pigs, Juliana pigs. They're only supposed to be £40. Bring them home. I had set up this, like, little corral area. Got him a big house. The kids were down there sitting with him. So I leave to go run some errands. I get a phone call from my wife. Honey, you need to come home right now. I was like, what's the matter? She's like, something's the matter with one of the pigs. Clay was sitting on the ground. It wiggled out of his arms, won't get back out. Laboring to breathe. I was like, okay, we've had these pigs for two hours.

[Bobby Bones]

They're like pot belly pigs.

[Matt Castle]

No, like, Juliana pigs are not as good.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, that's. They're called Juliana pigs.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, they are.

[Bobby Bones]

Got it.

[Matt Castle]

Yes, they are. Sorry. My wife wanted me to. Would correct me if I said, yeah, but they're like, £40. Or supposed to be £40. Nonetheless. Get home. She's out in front of the barn. She's got this thing in her arms. Some of the kids are emotionally distraught. Other kids are totally fine. Take this pig in. And I was like, you guys stay here. And I'm like, Paying pet vet here. I literally check for a pulse. I mean, this thing's like this. Eyes open, tongue out. I was like, oh, my gosh, the pig is dead. Completely dead. And so my wife's like, should we take it to go get an autopsy? I was like, what? No, I'm not paying for an autopsy.

[Bobby Bones]

As I.

[Matt Castle]

This is a pig, right? So I go back, get the shovel, put it in the back.

[Bobby Bones]

So it is dead.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, yeah. I went and buried it in the backwoods.

[Bobby Bones]

I thought there was going to be a warm ending to this.

[Matt Castle]

Well, the other one survived and it is not 40 pounds. It's like 120. I think that they mix. Mixed breed. Like Juliana pig and a pot belly. This thing's massive. Even the vet came over to check on this thing and goes, I think it's a little bit obese. Like it's hardly able to open up its eyes.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you have 120 pound pig at your house?

[Matt Castle]

Yes, it's gotta be around 100 now. We've put it on a diet since then, which means basically just don't feed it. And it's lost a little weight. So it's getting to its summer. You know, it's getting into spring. Getting ready to get back out there and maybe run some hills.

[Bobby Bones]

Indoor pig at all?

[Matt Castle]

No, not at all.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, so always outdoor pig.

[Matt Castle]

Always outdoor pig. Just rummages the entire day.

[Bobby Bones]

Because I used to slop hogs back. Back in the day, my uncle had a bunch of hogs and we would go and create slot basically out of stuff restaurants would throw away, right? Yeah. And so we go and slop a bunch of hogs. Had nothing to do with being the Arkansas Razorbags, but we slopped a bunch of hogs. And they were massive because they were.

[Matt Castle]

Literal fat pigs, right?

[Bobby Bones]

Not pigs that you pet and hold dearly.

[Matt Castle]

Oh, you can. No, you can pet the pig. Do all that. Her name, Sprinkles.

[Bobby Bones]

That's Charlotte's Web type stuff.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, dude. Sprinkles. Don't worry. Oh, speaking of the hat we went in, all the kids got to put in their names, of course. Daughter Sprinkles. So we got pig named Sprinkles. 120 pounds. Big bruiser.

[Bobby Bones]

I feel like we've learned more on this one episode just generally than all the other episodes combined. This is awesome. Do you have any other animals?

[Matt Castle]

I actually have another funny story. We've got two goats, miniature dwarf goats. Now, this was not a purchase that I wanted. A buddy of mine for my birthday this last year said hey, Cass, I've got something for your birthday. Can I bring it over? I was like, yeah, I'll be home around 4. I'm thinking he's bringing over, you know, bottle of wine, something. I pull up, he's got his trailer hitched to the back of his truck. And I'm like, what in the heck is he doing? He jumps out with this big smile on his face. And my other buddy's with him, who just happened to buddy along with him because he wanted to see my reaction. Opens the trailer. He's got two miniature dwarf goats. Nigerian dwarf goats that are about this big come running out and he's like, you're welcome, dude. Here's your birthday present. I was like, what are you doing? He's like, they're yours. I bought them for you. You've got plenty of land. You're fine. And leaves them there. Within 30 minutes, the biggest storm of the year came through. I mean, thunder lighting. I have nowhere to put them. I've got to put them on the side of my house on the little run right by the pole. They pissed poo everywhere. I have no idea what to do with these goats. Worst present I've ever got. But very funny.

[Bobby Bones]

Now. Do you like them though? Have you grown to love them?

[Matt Castle]

No, I think that they're useless animals, to be completely honest with you.

[Bobby Bones]

See, they got it mixed up though. The pig should have been small and the goat should have been bigger.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. They, the goats, sometimes they get upset. They'll go headbutt my kids. And I think it's funny. I think that's the funniest thing they do. But they have. They've got irritable bowel syndrome. They can't control anything. I mean, there's poop everywhere.

[Bobby Bones]

Do they at least semi mow parts of the yard?

[Matt Castle]

They'll eat whatever, including if you put up like the different wreaths on the door for Christmas time, they jump up and try to eat the reefs off, even if they're fake reefs off of the thing.

[Bobby Bones]

Are you feeding them though? It feels like you just.

[Matt Castle]

We give them some. Yes, we are. We're good pet owners.

[Bobby Bones]

This is awesome. Today let's go to petting zoo.

[Matt Castle]

Dude, we've got chickens.

[J]

I want to come over.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, and I grew up around a bunch of animals, but not around Nigerian miniature.

[Matt Castle]

They are cute. They're cute. They're just pointless animals.

[Bobby Bones]

If friends come over, do they want to see the goats ever? Is that like.

[Matt Castle]

Of course. Are you kidding me? My friends, half the Time just they don't want to come to see me. They want to bring their kids so they can go to the petting zoo.

[Bobby Bones]

Great stories. Yeah, Chief's a holic. Watch it. You watch anything good right now?

[Matt Castle]

You know, I was into the Lioness.

[Bobby Bones]

It's awesome. Watch both seasons.

[Matt Castle]

No, I'm just starting. The second season is intense.

[Bobby Bones]

Season two is even better.

[Matt Castle]

It's super intense. What's the other one? Landman. Love Billy Bob. Those are the two that I've kind of been into recently.

[Bobby Bones]

Lioness, we had relatively high expectations, surpassed them. Zoe Saldana.

[Matt Castle]

She's incredible.

[Bobby Bones]

She's awesome.

[Matt Castle]

She is. And she plays that role. Her intensity that she brings to every episode. I'm like, man.

[Bobby Bones]

And Lioness is a program and it's a real program where they specifically need women to do jobs because men can't get to certain places. Without spoiling too much, have you watched the Agency?

[Matt Castle]

I started the Agency.

[Bobby Bones]

It's the best.

[Matt Castle]

That's really good too. It gets a little slow at times, but now with all the different dynamics and the relationship that he has and kind of being compromised but trying to hide it, I mean, there's so many different elements of the show that you're intrigued by and you're going, man, there's so much going on in these guys.

[Bobby Bones]

World at the beginning. You're right. Because they're trying to be as specific as they can about what the CIA does that it can bog you down a bit. But about after episode two and a half, it's one of the best shows I've seen in a year or so. It just finished.

[Matt Castle]

Well, you have all your in the characters to the development of those characters. I think that's what makes a great show anytime is it takes a few episodes to develop the character and the storyline. But they're outstanding in their roles. And also just all the international attention now going into the show, you're just going, wow, where's this going to go? Because it can go so many different directions.

[Bobby Bones]

Are you a severance guy?

[Matt Castle]

No, I'm going to now have to check this out. I'll take any recommendation.

[Bobby Bones]

Top five show of my life.

[Matt Castle]

Of your life?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

What would give me one more that would be in that category? Dancing with the Stars, the season that you were on.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay.

[Matt Castle]

No, that's number one. It is not. No, not that great acting.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. So top show. But they all don't have to be serious like I think.

[Matt Castle]

No, they don't.

[Bobby Bones]

For me, I loved the Office. That's my Favorite show. I love the Office, so. But that's. That sensibility is a bit different. The Office is one of the best shows of my lifetime. Now, if I had to Mount Rushmore shows, I would put severance up there. It takes a second. But do you know the premise? Even I can give you the premise real quick.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, give me the premise.

[Bobby Bones]

So you go into work at this place and they put a chip in your brain. And when you're in at work, the chip is on and you only remember that. So when you leave, the chip is off. So you don't remember work. But so when you're home, you don't remember work. When you're at work, you don't remember home. You have to separate that. They set. They separate you. And then it feels like you never leave work, though, so you're trapped at work. It's wild. Ben Stiller directs it. Adam Scott's like the main character is favorite show. Read Severance Guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dark was good. Oh, dark is awesome.

[Matt Castle]

Dark. You like it?

[Bobby Bones]

It was German, so I didn't see that. That was tough for a minute, but it was German, so. Subtitle. Oh, Squid Game too. See, Squid Game. I've seen Squid Game one the whole first season.

[Matt Castle]

No, not the whole first season. See, I gotta catch up. I. I don't always get time to sit down.

[Bobby Bones]

Who cares?

[Matt Castle]

Kids, goats, feeding. Feeding the farm.

[Bobby Bones]

A lot of my time, though, even with video games, because I will play NCAA football. I wake up at like 2 o'clock in the morning sometimes I don't sleep well. And I also have to get up early for my job. That's where I do this stuff. Because nobody. There's nothing else I work. But then it's like, I got 45 minutes.

[Matt Castle]

Is there anything better than getting on a treadmill, though, and walking in an incline and watching a show?

[Bobby Bones]

I would rather watch a game.

[Matt Castle]

I would rather watch a game than a show. Really?

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

On a treadmill. Because I don't. Yeah. Yeah. Because mostly I kind of probably bet.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So my favorite thing to do is crank up the treadmill. Arkansas basketball game. And just go until halftime. Because that's an hour and 15, 20 minutes.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. And it'll keep you occupied. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So I got. I'm on like a four pace and then I got it cranked up to like five or six.

[Matt Castle]

Get it?

[Bobby Bones]

That's pretty high, right?

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, that's great.

[Bobby Bones]

And then really squeezing those glutes. I'm dying.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

People are like, walking's easy.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Walking on the freaking Incline. That stuff sucks. Severance, I love it. So I'm gonna go severance. I'm gonna go the office. I'm going to come back with this.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, we're going to have to figure out yours, too. I got to figure out next week.

[Bobby Bones]

Your top four TV shows of all time. Kevin finally asked some questions. Wrap us up here. By the way, everybody that's listening to this, thank you so much. If you don't mind posting in your stories that you listen to this, we can use the help. Like, we're just two guys. We're just from the streets, you know, trying to make it. Yeah. So really, we're, you know, we just started from scratch and we're trying to make this podcast work. And if you wouldn't mind, if you do enjoy it, share it on your Instagram stories. That would be awesome. So thank you for that. All right, Kevin's got five questions to get to know Matt and Bobby. I've not seen these, so we're gonna go. We'll take turns going first. Go ahead.

[J]

All right, Bobby, you're first. What was your first car?

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, it was 87 Subaru that I mowed yards non stop for. Worked at the marina. That's where I learned to fix boats was when I worked at the marina and bought the car for like $800. And it was a tank. It worked. That thing never broke down.

[Matt Castle]

That's amazing.

[Bobby Bones]

For 800, it was the greatest car.

[Matt Castle]

It looked like for $800.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes. Hey, and this isn't like the 30s or $800 is 10 million today. Yeah, but you probably could get it for like 3500 bucks now. Did it? It was an awesome car. I'm not. I think the year was around that, but it was a little Subaru. And listen, I didn't get girls, so it didn't matter. So it didn't keep me from getting girls. I wasn't getting girls in a Lamborghini, so. But it was that old Subaru. What about you?

[Matt Castle]

So it's interesting because I didn't have a car throughout high school, did not have a car in college, which is always when I started to court my wife. And she said I asked her out on a date. Then the dilemma was, how do I figure out telling her she's got to pick me up for our first date. So I was like, I don't have a car, but is it all right if you pick? She's like, all right, yeah, yeah. So then I get to the league, and Brady was able to hook me.

[Bobby Bones]

Up with this car guy, as in Tom.

[Matt Castle]

Tom Brady got him. Tom Brady was able to hook me up with the car guy that gave me a car while I played there.

[Bobby Bones]

But your first car was a car given to you while you were in the NFL?

[Matt Castle]

Well, they didn't give it to me. They just gave it to me for the season. So they gave it to me the entire time I was there. Then I went to Kansas City, and that was kind of the norm, is you could set up a car deal. So then I had a car when I got to Kansas City through Audi, and I had a car there. So I purchased my first car when I left Kansas City going to Minnesota. It was a Cadillac Escalade yesterday.

[Bobby Bones]

You bought a Cadillac Escalade?

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

How did you not have one in high school or college? How did you get a. I mean, there wasn't Uber.

[Matt Castle]

No. Just had really good friends that picked me up. But even going to school sometimes, my senior year, I would just go down and get on the public bus. I'd go down to the little bus stop, walk down, like, two, three blocks, wait there, Ding, ding, ding. Get on, pay my little thing, and it'd take me down to school. That's what I do.

[Bobby Bones]

That's wild. Yeah. I get a bus, though, so that. Okay. You had public transportation, Although not the most glamorous.

[Matt Castle]

No, it was great. I met a lot of great people on the bus. Yeah, they always looked at me like it was weird, too. And I had my backpack, and a lot of people are going to work, and I'm, like, going to school. I was like, this next stop will be fine. Pulling the chain. Oh, that's great.

[Bobby Bones]

You're first with a bus. I'll accept that.

[J]

There we go.

[Bobby Bones]

All right, question two. All right.

[J]

What's the furthest you've ever been from home?

[Bobby Bones]

You can go first on this one.

[Matt Castle]

Furthest I've ever been from home. I guess it would be London. London. We went there, and the only reason I was there was because I was with the Minnesota Vikings. We were playing the Steelers in London, and I got a trip over there, got to play. Play the Steelers in London. It was awesome. That's the furthest I've ever been.

[Bobby Bones]

You ever been overseas any other time?

[Matt Castle]

No, can't say I have been.

Wow.

Yeah, I'm not very cultured. My wife, on the other hand, she.

[Bobby Bones]

Had two cars given to you. You're the coolest guy ever. And two goats.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. I mean, I've been to Mexico. Definitely been to Mexico. I've been to Canada, been To Europe once. And I've. That's one of my goals, is to do that. But when we got married and then kids started coming along, it was just travel to go. That's a goal of ours, is to get it over to Europe. Wow.

[Bobby Bones]

Mine would be probably Japan. And so I never even went out of the state until I got late Teen. Never left the country. But my goal was. Because I never. We never went on a vacation, even as family. We didn't have any money, so we didn't go on vacations. And so my goal was to go to places that TV shows were. Because I watched a bunch of TV shows right on Full House, Jesse and the Rippers, they played in Japan. And so I thought, that's where I want to go on the Brady Bunch. They went to Hawaii. That's where I want to go. Friends. They went to London. That's where I want to go. So that's how. And I did almost all them by myself.

[Matt Castle]

I love the fact that you just use show references, and they're like, that looks cool.

[Bobby Bones]

That's the only way I knew where.

[Matt Castle]

I want to go. I watched Friends today, and they mentioned.

[Bobby Bones]

They were in London shooting. So I went to London. I was blown away at how old the buildings were, like hundreds of years before our country even existed. They have buildings still standing. You just go in and make an ice cream sundae, and it's like this building was in 1200.

[Matt Castle]

I know. When you're in America, you forget our history is so young. And then you see it and go somewhere else. And they're like, this has been around for thousands of years.

[Bobby Bones]

Japan was wild.

[Matt Castle]

I bet it was.

[Bobby Bones]

I felt like, you feel here. Meaning I was a monster. I was taller than everybody. It was really awesome. Yeah.

[Matt Castle]

What's up, dude?

[Bobby Bones]

Yes.

[Matt Castle]

Pat him on their head, everybody.

[Bobby Bones]

Because that's what you do to everybody. Matt just walks around patting everybody on the head. Yes. Japan was real. It was super clean. There was no crime. People were wearing masks just generally because they didn't want to get other people sick. This is like 10 years. It was the most.

[Matt Castle]

This is before masks were a thing.

[Bobby Bones]

It was seven, eight years before masks were a thing. And I remember going, these are the most courteous people I've ever seen because they're wearing masks. If they're in a place that's very crowded because they don't want to get people sick. It wasn't about them not getting sick. It was about them not wanting to get other people sick.

[Matt Castle]

Thoughtfulness.

[Bobby Bones]

It was wild. They had no Trash cans on the street. So you'd have something in your hand. You'd be like, where's the trash can? You just held it until you got back to your room or home, really. No litter. So Japan was awesome. That would be my answer. I went to Australia.

[J]

Oh.

[Bobby Bones]

I went to Keith Urban's house for a Christmas party while I was over there.

[J]

Flex.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm going to flex. Yeah, I don't mind flexing. I don't mind flexing. I was over and I posted like on Twitter or something. I'm like, I'm in Australia. And Keith saw it and texted me, was like, dude, we're home now. Where are you staying? And I told him, he's like, we're having a Christmas party tonight. Come over. So I went over to Keith and Nicole's.

[Matt Castle]

Greatest timing ever.

[Bobby Bones]

In Austin? Yes. In Australia. And I think it was full of Australian famous people. I didn't know them, but they would be like, this is the voice of Outback Steakhouse or something like that.

[J]

I know that wasn't it, but Fosters.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes, yes. Australian fabier. But that was my Australia story.

[Matt Castle]

That's awesome. That's great.

[Bobby Bones]

Good question.

[J]

All right, the next one here, Bobby, gonna stick with you. Have you ever had a death experience or near death experience?

[Bobby Bones]

The serious one or the accident? Okay, I'll do the serious one first. I have a scar that runs from my sternum all the way down past my belt line. When I was young, I fell off a house and ruptured my spleen. They had to remove it. So, like I almost died there. Like internal drowning. That's like a serious one, right?

[Matt Castle]

That's really serious. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

The one that I would go if it wasn't. They were being lighthearted. On my show Breaking Bobby Bones, I had to go on a cable over the Grand Canyon 4,000ft and clean the bottom of the sky bridge. And I thought I was going to die. It was the scariest thing ever. It was the scary thing I've ever done.

[Matt Castle]

You have to do this.

[Bobby Bones]

It was the show. This show. The show was called Breaking Bobby Bones where the whole purpose was to break me.

[Matt Castle]

They were legitimately trying to break you or kill you or make me quit.

[Bobby Bones]

So it's on Amazon. Episode one is the Grand Canyon episode where they have to hire a guy once a year to come and clean the bottom of that glass sky bridge that you look through. And so they were like, you're going to do it. I hate heights. To let go of myself on that cable. I thought I was going to die for two days. I was thankful to be alive. So that, to me, that's the scariest part. Whenever I, like really got hurt, I didn't really know how severe it was. I was a kid, that part. I thought at any point the cable was going to break and I was just going to plunge 4,000ft to my death. It was scarier than skydiving, and I hated that, too.

[Matt Castle]

But plus, you're hanging there and you.

[Bobby Bones]

It's awful. Yeah.

[J]

How long were you up there?

[Bobby Bones]

The real story, they gave me a time limit to clean it, but I am not exaggerating. One of the camera guys who was actually on the sky bridge, right? So he's not hanging. Nobody's hanging but me.

[Matt Castle]

Right.

[Bobby Bones]

One of the camera guys, a camera falls off his helmet and they're like, we have to hold for 20 minutes. We reset.

[Matt Castle]

I'm on the line and I'm like, no, no, no.

[Bobby Bones]

What do you mean, hold the reset? They're like, so you can't clean or do anything because everything's timed. We just want you to sit here. You just have to sit there. Because I was. My wife had the ears, my microphone, and so I'm wearing a mic, obviously, for the TV show. And she had the ears to be able to hear everything through the mics she could hear. I was almost crying. I was so scared. I was almost crying and it made her cry. I could see her crying and I was like, what's wrong? But she could just hear me. It was the worst. It's episode one. If you ever get so bored, I'm.

[Matt Castle]

Going to go laugh and watch it. It's terrible.

[Bobby Bones]

That would be mine. You near death experience any?

[Matt Castle]

No, I wouldn't say that.

[Bobby Bones]

Riding the bus, I mean.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah. I mean, every time you step on the. No, I mean, I guess near. I don't know if it's near death or not. No, it wouldn't be near death because one time we were taking a plane and all of a sudden, emergency land. 30 minutes in, I've got my whole family on there. We're going back for the season. And next thing I know, the guy comes over, pilot and says, hey, everybody just stay calm. We're just going to have to land this plane. We're an hour maybe into this fight. Emergency land in the middle of nowhere. Boom. And as we're coming down to land, you see every emergency vehicle out.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, my gosh.

[Matt Castle]

So we land. They. Then the pilots go into go mode, get us all off. They escort us to the thing. Well, they said that as they're, as they took off and then they're about an hour in. All the emergency lights come in, say there's a fire in the back where the luggage was. And so they land this plane, get down, they're there to hose down, do all this stuff. Well, they said that it was a false alarm or whatever, but I mean, in the real time, I was like, oh my gosh. My wife's, my kids, everything we're. And they won't say anything because they don't want you to panic or anything like that. I was like, oh, my gosh. That was kind of felt like the near death experience for me.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, that's, that's that count.

[J]

Pretty legit, man.

[Bobby Bones]

That makes. Because I hate flying. I have a theory that every time the pilots get in the air, they look at each other and go, can you believe this heavy thing still got gets up? Like seriously, some of the planes crazy. Okay, two more questions. Go ahead.

[J]

All right, Matt, if you could have dinner with anyone alive, who would it be?

[Matt Castle]

Dinner with anybody alive. You know, you want to make this interesting and I really make them famous. I know, that's what I'm saying. You want to make them famous. You want to make it interesting. Somebody that, I mean, I wouldn't mind going out to dinner with Michael Jordan. I'm not going to lie. I just think that his stories. And he also likes to gamble. He's going to have a good time. He might have a cigar, he might have his little scotch, but you're going to get a lot out of it. Unless he looks at me and goes, why am I at dinner with you, Castle?

[Bobby Bones]

Well, that will not be allowed in this hypothetical. We make the rules.

[Matt Castle]

We're boys.

[Bobby Bones]

He wanted to have dinner with you.

[Matt Castle]

So we basically, my vision is we played 36 holes of golf. You know, afterwards we go in, have a little, little drink. We get ready for dinner. They've got a room set up. We go in, you know, game's on. We could sit there. He's. He's highlighting the different stuff and then tell an old story. I mean, beautiful career highlights.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes.

[Matt Castle]

And then Charles, then Charles Barkley comes on, starts talking at halftime. And then Jordan's like telling me, just ripping stories about Charles Barkley. I mean, it's, it would go on and on.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, Fantasyland.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah, there you go.

[Bobby Bones]

Mine would be David Letterman. It's my hero. Never got to meet him. Still alive. I watched a guy who was quirky looking, who wasn't the traditional square jawed, good looking guy in TV Little odd. Little irreverent. And I was like, dang, I'm kind of odd and weird. Maybe I can do that. So mine would be David Letterman.

[Matt Castle]

That's good.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And then we watch Jordan's highlights and then Charles Barkley comes on.

[J]

Yes.

[Matt Castle]

All of a sudden, the casino's right there and we all meet up together.

[Bobby Bones]

All right, final. Final question.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[J]

Last one here. What is your best accomplishment? Non professional or family?

[Bobby Bones]

Bobby. Okay, I'm glad you put the. No family, because I would have felt pressure to go getting my wife to marry me in case she heard this. There's that pressure.

[Matt Castle]

Or in case she heard this.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Because obviously it is. Right. But you. But if it can't be, like, in the media, I can't. Okay. I would go getting an honorary doctorate because I am officially Dr. Bobby at the University of Arkansas. And speaking of graduation, when they. And when they gave me the doctorate, like that to me, that. Or buying my mom, like a trailer or land, like when I first started to make money before she died, like, I think. But that's. That's family. I can't do that.

[J]

Yeah, you can't.

[Matt Castle]

Yep, you can.

[Bobby Bones]

You can't do.

[J]

I know professional or family.

[Bobby Bones]

I know related. Okay, I'm gonna go with. Does that count? Me getting my, my.

[J]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Honorary doctorate, University of Arkansas. Yeah. Okay. Dr. Bobby, from now on, I have a doctor.

[J]

Lots to say with Dr. Bobby and Matt.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes. What about you? You know, did you buy your parents or something for somebody when you got money?

[Matt Castle]

My mom.

[Bobby Bones]

I want to hear the story, though. What is it?

[Matt Castle]

Oh, well, it was, it was. I always said if I ever get to a position where I can get my mom a place, which we grew up in, the house that she provided and all that, but she always wanted to be near the beach in Santa Monica. We found a place. I was able to get that for her and do that. So that was cool. That was very special because you can give back in that way. So, yeah, that was that story. Let's see here. Biggest accomplishment outside of family and professional or football?

[Bobby Bones]

Just football.

[Matt Castle]

Outside of football. You know, I was with a charity in Kansas City and that was. It was interesting to be a part of that. And then like, kind of help. Help establish it. It was called Shadow Buddies, and it was for kids with different, different ailments in, in the hospital. And we were able to go and provide condition specific dolls and stuff like that. But I, I think stuff like that, it brings meaning to your life. And so I'd say some of the charitable stuff that. Myself, my wife, we used to put on a pink party. So I was part of that as well. Which is for any. There was young girls in the hospital that had cancer and stuff like that that they would go and give them a day of pamper. Like they'd have wigs, they do their nails, they do all these things just to, you know, just kind of bring a little light heartedness and some love to those kids. So I'd say that was a pretty big accomplishment. Just because it's something that's not about you. It's about giving back.

[Bobby Bones]

Dang. I went selfish.

[J]

I know that was shame me.

[Bobby Bones]

I won't.

[Matt Castle]

Well, I mean, you guys were selfish. I was like accomplishments.

[Bobby Bones]

There's so many, I don't know, a hole in one. I was thinking like something fun and all of a sudden I could.

[Matt Castle]

I've never had a hole in one. Still, still trying to. Trying to get that accomplished.

[Bobby Bones]

Thank you all for listening. By the way, my depending on when you listen to this. Yeah, it won't matter. My comedy special will be on CMT on February 4, which is the Tuesday coming up. If you're listening the current week 9, 8 Central on CMT. Yeah, Dolly's in it, which is super cool. The dolly was like I'll be in your special, but Dolly Parton.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

So we're clear.

[Matt Castle]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Just so you're all clear, but that'll be on CMT 98 Central. Check it out. Reed Yarberry run a video guy running all the creative visuals. Kickoff. Kevin producing the show. That's Matt Castle. I'm Bobby Bones and we have had lots to say thank you guys. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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