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What's up Morgan?
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You came back a little bit quicker this time.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did.
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I did. Just to give the people some inside baseball to it. Eddie Is like with all the cruisin stuff happening, I'm trying to get something stuff recorded early. I'm trying to record some stuff on the cruise for best bit so it can all be intertwined. And so I'm just kind of moving everything around.
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Are you excited for the cruise?
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I'm really excited to like, be in somewhere warm.
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Yeah. Like, you know, I'm. I'm at the point where I'm dreaming of being in the middle of the ocean.
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Yeah.
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Like, because I've never been in the middle. I've gone deep sea fishing where it's probably five, six, maybe 10 miles off offshore.
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Yeah.
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But not like where you're just gone,
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oh, you can't see any.
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I mean. Yeah, yeah, you do. You do that. You do that like when you go deep sea fishing. But it's only like, I think after you pass like two miles, you don't see anything.
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Well, it's also a lot different when it's dark out, too.
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I know.
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It's the coolest thing to be on top of a ship.
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And you've been on a cruise.
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Yeah.
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Okay, tell me all about it.
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And you look out. You're on like the top deck and you just look out and it's just dark.
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Is it peaceful out there?
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It's so peaceful. I mean, there's obviously stuff happening on the cruise to like, you hear noises and things happen. There's clubs and there's people and there's things happening. But if you go on the top deck, typically it's pretty quiet and tame in the evenings.
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Oh, my. Are people making out up there? That's what I picture as I picture like a bunch of Jackson. What's her name from Titanic?
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Kate.
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Jacket.
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Yeah.
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It's not Kate, I think. Whatever. Yeah. Kate Winslet.
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Kate Winslet.
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Leo and Kate.
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Yeah. Hold on, love. That's gonna bother me.
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Jack.
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And I want to say Diane, because you're saying Jack first, but it's not Diane.
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Hold on, don't tell. Don't tell me Jack.
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I remembered it before I even saw it.
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Okay. What is it?
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Rose.
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Jack and Rose. That's what I picture. A bunch of Jack and Roses up there just making out kind of.
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But you can't really have a Titanic moment because that. That where that part of the ship is, is typically secured.
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You're talking about the. I'm the king of the world. You can't do that.
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Some of them you. You can get close, but most of the time that particular area is blocked off because it's unsafe.
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Yeah.
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So you can't exactly do that.
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Do you see any other ships out there, like, any other boats we have before?
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Like, yachts or private yachts, Stuff like that, Man.
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That's what I'm talking about.
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Yeah. It just depends on where you're at and how close you are to things and. And all that.
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Cool. Pirates. Pirates. Any pirates show up at all?
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I've never seen any pirates.
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People were telling me that pirates do exist, and I know that they do exist, but do they exist in the Caribbean as, like, kind of like Jack Sparrow? Like Pirates of the Caribbean?
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I don't know if they're quite what you're picturing from the movies. Pirates.
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No, but I'm picturing Captain Phillips. Those were pirates.
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Who's Captain Phillips?
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What are you talking about?
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Who's Captain Phillips?
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I am the captain now.
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From what movie?
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Captain Phillips.
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I've never seen that movie.
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Is that the name of the movie? I think it's the name of the movie. Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks. He's a cargo ship captain.
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It is the name of the movie. Captain Phillips.
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And the pirates overtake the ship.
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Okay. Maybe more so, like, true story there. Well, I will say, like, I had a girl come on my podcast, and she was actually taken hostage by pirates.
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Shut up.
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In Somali, though. That. That's a lot further away.
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I think that's Captain Phillips.
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Okay. Something like that. I know they exist. They are very real.
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Yeah.
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But I just don't know that they're quite like Jack Sparrow. Well, Pirates of the Caribbean, Morgan.
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I wasn't picturing a freaking pirate with a patch and a parrot. Like.
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Well, I don't know what your images are, but.
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But the Pirates of the Caribbean, like, that was really. The Caribbean was the Mecca for pirates. You know, like, they lived on this port called Port Royal, which was like a pirate port now underwater, like, sunk or whatever, but that was, like, their hub.
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Okay.
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Where they all lived and partied and got drunk and had prostitutes, and then they would go from there to, like, go steal from Spanish ships.
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Okay. So to your point, yes, piracy exists in the Caribbean, though modern piracy differs from the historical, like, golden age.
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Right.
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It mostly involves armed robbery against yachts and commercial vessels, with incidents reported near St. Vincent, Granada, and in the waters around Jamaica and Antigua.
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Wow.
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So I don't know that there will be where we're going.
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Yeah.
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Particularly they're probably a little bit more commercialized, so that might stop some of that from happening and more security. But, Eddie, I remember you want to know. It's something funny. When we used to go on cruises. Younger. I have pictures where I'd get off ship and I'd be in my swimsuit because we're, like, going to the beach on the. On the place, and I'm posed with men with guns. Like, army men with work.
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Like they're part of the government on the island.
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Yep. Doing security, protecting, like, everywhere we went.
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I probably love that. They're like, yeah, come on, picture time.
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Well, imagine this girl from Kansas, right. Going to this island in Jamaica.
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Yeah.
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And I'm like, what, there's armed soldiers? What are they doing here? That was so foreign of a concert to me. So, like, seeing them excited me, and I thought it was cool to, like, get a picture with them.
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And they were cool with it. They were like, yeah, no problem.
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Yeah. I mean, they just sit there. I'll have to Google. When you start talking about a story, I'll Google to show you a picture. But it's. It's wild, really.
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The.
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The security and stuff that I. And that was, gosh, 15 years ago now. So I can't even imagine what this, like, the security levels look like on them now.
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So tell me more about your friend in the pirates. Like, so what happened there? Like, was she on a boat? Was she on a ship?
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No. So she was actually like, a teacher over in Africa. And she was not missionary work, but she was just basically teaching English to people and became. Got a certain job role with kind of attached to the government there, but not. And then she was on this mission to go teach people in this rural part of Africa and ended up being kidnapped in the, like, caravan as she was leaving it. So she went and did it. Everything was fine.
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They were on their way out, and
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they were literally leaving.
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Whoa.
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And they got kidnapped by pirates. And she was held hostage for, like, she was inland.
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She was on land.
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On land.
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And then. So the pirates took her on a boat.
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Yep. And they held her for ransom, her and another one of her colleagues.
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Oh, my gosh.
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And they were, like, kept. I want to say it was 93 days.
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She your age?
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No, she's older. I want to say she's in her, like, late 30s, early 40s now. And at the time, this was. Gosh. I'm trying to recall the thing because we did, like, a really extensive interview on it.
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Crazy.
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But she did. It's, like, been, like, 15 years now, I want to say. But what was really wild about it, too, is the same. Is she was rescued by the same people who found Osama bin Laden. That same undercover, like, militant like Seal 9 or whatever. Yeah. Seal Team 6.
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Seal Team 6, yes. So close.
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I couldn't. I'm telling you, she shared so much in that interview. So, like, she was held hostage. The things that happened while she was held hostage and, like, being held for ransom. They wanted money.
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From who?
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From anybody. Whether it was her, her.
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Like, was it the organization?
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Like, either it could be the organization or. Well, it's. It was an insane amount of money. It was in the millions. Right. So they were just whoever was willing to pay it. Their lives. Yes. And then that's when SEAL Team Six came in and rescued her and her colleague. And insane gunfire, like, all kinds of things. The story is wild.
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And you knew her personally?
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I found her on Instagram and I asked her to come do an interview.
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No way.
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Yeah. Her story is. Is super emotional and her just wild that. That exists out in the world. Yeah, right.
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I know. And we fantasize the whole pirate thing or any kind of like, name like that, because. Yeah, like Hollywood stories or whatever. Books. But yeah, I mean, that's. That's some real stuff. I mean, even back in the day, like when pirates. Blackbeard. Yep. Those. They were scary. There was nothing funny or fun about, like, you know, a pirate story.
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But if you think about it too, and I've always long had this conspiracy theory, like, genuinely movies, entertainment, all of that is. Is one of two things. It's either meant to, like, desensitize us to something that's already happening and just trying to make us see it as entertainment, or it's like telling us a story in a way that we can comprehend it because it did happen.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean? Like, I very much feel like those. Our true life just in different variations. And so, like, you think about pirates or whatever, so they exist, but we paint them in this way so we have a different experience with them. You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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And I've always consumed movies and stuff with that conspiracy in my head. And so everything I watch, I'm like, you're real on some form. I just haven't figured it out yet.
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Well, I also feel like whenever you look at a group like drug dealers or like pirates, whatever, a group that does bad things, if you go inside a group like that, they're still people. Like, the bad things that they do aside, they're still people. Some are funny, some are loving, some are a little kind of like, I kind of like this person, even though they're a bad person in what they do, which is almost like Captain Jack Sparrow. Like, you Know, that character is like, he's kind of funny, he's always drunk, he makes people laugh or whatever. He's weird. But he's also a mean, bad pirate. Like, but so I kind of like that about Hollywood stories where they take like, people that normally you just be like, oh, my gosh, that's just bad. But you take that human element, like, I think narcos did that really well, where, like, you know, it was all about Pablo Escobar and his, like, Colombian cartel. Bad, bad, bad people. But inside that people, you. They still had personalities and you still had characters of just like kind of likable guy.
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Like, well, you're humanizing them. So it's. You realize that there's more to that story than just the bad that you know about because it took something for them to get there.
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Exactly.
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And that's very much what you're experiencing through those. Yeah, I mean, you mentioned that. And when I was talking to Jessica for like that entire story, at one point when she was in the caravan, when they had gotten taken over, she like, heard a voice behind her. She thought it was a woman. She was confused, looked around. It was a really young kid and she was a teacher. So she had this like, insane. Just like, holy crap. That's a kid that I would teach, but he's here and he's holding a gun to my head.
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Yeah.
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You know, and it was like she had that like, humanizing moment that you speak of, while also being terrified because she had no idea what was happening.
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You know, you say that about kids. I saw a video on TikTok recently of like this, like, I don't know, like these three guys, and it was like masked gunmen, you know, attack a party, go into a party, and they like, you know, steal all this stuff. And they showed the video of it, and I can tell you immediately, those guys, those are kids, like, 100%. Like, they dress like my son. Like, the way they walk. Like that is a 16 year old. Yeah, 17 year old. I know 100% that that is a kid. And like, that's crazy. Like, that's just. Well, one. It's sad, right? It's sad that, like, kids are doing that, but you think automatically, like, ooh, masked gunman. Like, that's. That's a man. Like, that is a.
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Has to be, right?
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Grown man doing something bad.
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Yes.
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But no, you look at that like, no, I'm telling you, that is a 15, 16 year old.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's scary. I mean, you think about all the things too, of just and we associate social media and kids are doing things earlier these days. You can probably attest to this as a parent, right? Like where we see kids.
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The.
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At least the trend is, is that kids are doing things earlier than we did them. Things are just happening in their life earlier. But I think that goes for more than just social media. I think it's all of it. I think they're just exposed to so much that once, you know, you think of each generation and it evolves each generation. So naturally, not just adults are evolving each generation. The kids are. And so they're getting exposed to more and more and more as the generations continue.
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Oh, and Amy's touched on this a little bit on the show. Like, and I'm so with her 100%. I wish all parents were on board. Like, we are all. I wish we were all part of some, like, board meeting. Every single parent out there and be like, all right, guys, at what age do we want to introduce them to, you know, movies with sex in it? At what age do we want to introduce them to podcasts where they just say every bad word? At what age do we all that so we can all be on the same page because, like, say I want to raise my kid to where, like, they're not going to watch movies with sex in it, like, until they're 18 years old, whatever, right? But then they go to Jimmy's house and his parents are like, it's just sex. Like, hey, we all do it. Like, you can watch a sex movie like, whenever you want. Like, you're 13. Watch it. Now. My son is like, whoa. Like, what is this? He comes to my house and he starts showing his brothers, like, dude, you watch this. Then we've, as parents have lost all control. Like, I've tried so hard to just kind of. And it's not like I want to shelter my kid from. And I'm just using sex videos for, like, example. Right, Fine. Murder videos, whatever. A movie about murders. It's not that I want to shelter them from it, but I know my children and I know when they are mature enough to consume something like that. If you show a 12 year old or 11 year old that the way they react to it and the way their mind processes something like that is so different than an 18, 19 year old.
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Yeah. And this also goes, like, to touch on that point, it goes back to. This is why in villages, right, We. This is what we evolved from, was people being in villages. And in villages, everybody took care of each other, everybody looked out for each other, Everybody was On the same wavelength, yes, because they were in this small village. They didn't have to go outside of their village. They didn't know it existed. And I think you're seeing a lot of people crave that again, to have a village, to have a community. Even if it's just a community that you're in, right? Your neighborhood, that you're all on the same team and you're working together and you're helping each other and some people can watch kids and you know, you just have this balance of an ecosystem and we're missing a lot of that. But it's, it's funny because it's the price we pay for evolution, right?
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We.
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We wouldn't trade the advancements we've had, but we want to go back to then. It's just, it's a weird time that we're in now.
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It's all. It's just discipline, right? Like, it's. It's like, is it easier to see what your cousin is doing by jumping on Facebook or jumping on Instagram? Yes, it's way easier to just be like, oh cool, she's in Tahoe right now. Like, awesome. Like, but we're missing that whole human element of like talking to them or just communicating about anything. Like not just looking at the picture and being like, oh, that's cool, like they're at the beach this weekend. Instead of just like, hey, how's the beach going? Oh my gosh, it's terrible. Like, we just. There were so many sharks or whatever. Whatever the stories are, you're not gonna get that from the picture. And so we're losing that whole element. And when you tuck. This is getting deep. I love it, Morgan.
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Well, okay, wait, I want to hear this deeper, but I'm take a quick break so we can just continue and roll.
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Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield from the Girlfriends, the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the center of their own stories. I'm back with more one off interviews with some truly kick ass women on the Girlfriend's Spotlight. I want to introduce you to Sylvia. I'm going to climb this. And then there's Vassaka.
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Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives.
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Leila dared to ask the question, is badness hereditary? And finally, we'll meet Rosamund.
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If it wasn't for the air where Ella lived, she wouldn't have died on that fatal night.
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You'll even get to meet my mum in that one, who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground. I'm not too intimidated by her. What are you talking about? Listen to the girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, Eddie, take us in the deep end.
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I just. It reminded me of a time when. When my son had a friend over and his dad. I didn't know him that well, but he came over and they hung out. And apparently when they left, the son, his son told him, like, man, I said, damn. And the way they reacted where it was like, whoa, you said a bad word. And so the dad was like, oh, dang. Okay, that's interesting. So he called me and said, hey, man, just a heads up. And we knew each other, like, minimally. Like, maybe we've hung out two or three times. And he's like, man, I feel so bad. But to us, damn isn't just. It's not really a bad word. And so my son says it all the time, and he told me that he said it at your house and that your boys were kind of reacted weirdly to it. So first, I want to apologize if, like, I brought that word into your house and they didn't. I'm like, no, dude. I mean, I say it all the time. Like, I don't think. I think they were shocked maybe, that your son said it and they're his. You know, they're the same age. And he said, okay, good. I just want to make sure we're on the same page. That is what I'm talking about with, like. And there's so much comfort with, like, when they go to his house. All right? He teaches his kids the same thing. They kind of run the same ship the way we do. And there's so much trust there where I'm like, I'm not worried about them going to their house.
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Yeah.
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But there are other parents that I don't know them, you know, or parents that have a bunch of older kids, but they have a younger kid. And, like. And then our kids are younger and they're going over. I Don't want that because, like, then they have the older siblings around. Who knows what the older siblings are talking about. Yeah. Well.
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And honestly, it probably correlates to, we're so polarized right now. Everybody's on so many different spectrums. Again, you go back to the village and everybody was on the same spectrum. Right. Everybody was feeling and experiencing things the same. But now, because we are exposed to so much, there's so much variety of what we feel, what we think, how we raise a family, how we interact with the world, what's normal. Yeah. And so you just don't have that same thing happening anymore where there is this blind trust. Like when I was a kid and I was running all around the neighborhood, my parents didn't care. And that's because there was still a level of shared values and beliefs.
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You know, your neighbor. You knew your neighbors.
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Yeah. You knew them. But it was also like, everybody looked out for the kids. That was just a common thing. Everybody looked out for the kids. Everybody, you know, parents all were on the same side with each other. They were a quick phone call away. Everybody had each other's backs. You send a kid out in a neighborhood now, and that's not the same environment. You don't know how somebody's gonna respond to a kid being on your lawn that isn't their lawn or, like, interacting with this kid that isn't normally there. That's just not what's happening anymore. Like, we've strayed so far from it. Which makes that difficult then for a parent to say, okay, well, I want you to be out in the world, but the world looks a lot differently totally, than what I'm used to.
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And I love that you're saying that because you're not old. And anytime an older person says that, they're like, ah, you're just old. You know, it's not the way it used to be, that kind of stuff. But you're right. I even see it with, okay, so I feel like there is a certain amount of social time that we need time to just tell me more. Right. Just to be social with people, talk us. We come to work every day. We get our social time here.
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A lot of talking.
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Yes. And even more than we need that when we get home, we don't want to. We're kind of spent. Right. Like, my wife would be like, how was work? And be like, it was fine. Even though it was awesome or we had a really great time or good conversations. I'm kind of just. I'm talked out and I feel like, the threshold that people have with either social media or, you know, maybe just movies or tv, whatever. TV shows. That's. They're getting their fill. They're getting their fill of, like. And especially social media. Definitely, like, I got my fill of, like, conversations. I commented on 12 posts and, like, somebody coming back, like, I know what people are pissed off at. I know what people are happy at. I saw a couple funny things. I'm good. I don't need to know my neighbors. I don't need to talk to anyone at the grocery store.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I'm just gonna go and, like, get myself.
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A
It's parasocial relationships. People feel like they have social relationships because of online.
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B
They got their fill already.
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A
Yep. So they don't need to create that in real life.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Why would there be a need for it?
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B
Right. You're good.
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A
It's evolution, right?
- [23:56]
B
It is.
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A
And it's so difficult because I don't think evolution is a bad thing. I think a lot of great things have come from it. But it's hard to watch the way that humanity evolves inside of all of it when you, like, really start to break it down. And especially with just. You think about everything that's happening in the world right now. And. And there's just such a facade over all of it. And you're like, I don't know if you ever have this feeling, but I'm like. I sit there and I just try to consume what I can, but then, like, I take a step back and I'm trying to put the pieces together, understand what I'm seeing, understand actually, like, take a microscope to it and say what. What is actually true?
- [24:35]
B
What isn't you talking about on your phone?
- [24:37]
A
Yeah, I just. Everything you see, right. Everything you consume.
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B
Sure.
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A
And it makes me scared because it's becoming a lot harder to decide what's real and what's not. Now. I'm not just talking.
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B
AI you're right, though.
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A
It's so hard, you know, it's not just a.
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B
Even if someone's acting.
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A
Yeah. Are they.
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B
Are.
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A
Is this, like.
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B
Are these people really fighting? Or are they. Is this set up?
- [24:56]
A
Is there a real interaction? Are these people actually friends? Is that a real thing that exists?
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B
Is that.
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A
That place real?
- [25:01]
B
Is that a real cop pullover? Like, Like. Or is that fake? Is that set up just to make me mad?
- [25:06]
A
So it makes you. From all that consumption, it makes you not trust things.
- [25:11]
B
Totally trust people.
- [25:12]
A
And then you don't want to interact with people because you don't trust people based on what you've seen online, man,
- [25:16]
B
the effects are serious though. Like you're so right and like I
- [25:20]
A
so firsthand can, can witness it in so many ways because I've been involved for what feels like the, the inception of social media to our social lives. Right. Like genuinely, I'm not talking MySpace and the beginning phases of all of that because that was not. We had a computer room in our house and everybody sat and they were on their MySpace page. That was vastly different than the situation we're in now. And that was cool. And that was like, you know, you had limited time that you did that. There is no limit anymore. You have access to it all the time and if you don't access it all the time, you feel left out about what's happening in the world. Yeah, right. If you don't pay attention to social media for 24 hours, everybody's like, well, you didn't see what happened.
- [26:01]
B
Yep.
- [26:01]
A
You don't know that that's going on. You don't watch this show and you don't know who that is.
- [26:05]
B
But see, sometimes it's kind of fun. Like even like when I come to work here, like I don't know half the stuff that Bobby and Amy are talking about. I really don't like even the people they're talking about. I have no idea. And I purposely live my life that way because I'm like, why would I want to get mad at something that like, you know, like I'm already mad at my kids grades. Like why am I getting mad at
- [26:22]
A
that comment on the show this week and made me giggle.
- [26:25]
B
And so I'm thinking like when they talk about it, I kind of ask questions like, well, tell me more. And we're getting that human interaction right. Like I'm not just reading it from someone, I don't know, posting a video. Like I'm asking Bobby and Amy, who have spent numerous hours researching this and I truly, when I ask those questions, I truly don't know like what they're talking about. So there's kind of a cool feeling of like, no, I didn't see what you're talking about. Tell me about it.
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A
Well, and honestly, that's a good place to be in right now, especially with what's going on, because it's hard. Though I will say there's a delicate balance of being informed and being educated while also not being so, you know, overloaded with what's going on. You need both, you need to be educated, you need to be aware, you need to know what impacts you, what it impacts the community around you, but you also have to be able to consume that. And if you spend too much time online, you're not going to be able to. There's a very fine line. And so I think it's funny. That's important.
- [27:26]
B
What's funny too is that like a lot of younger people, they looked at the news as like, who watches the news? Right. Like people that watch like just 24 hour news. Who does that? But that's what we're doing now.
- [27:40]
A
Just a different variation now.
- [27:41]
B
Everyone's watching the news like.
- [27:43]
A
And everyone's a reporter.
- [27:44]
B
Yes. It's pretty crazy.
- [27:47]
A
Well, and like I think about when I was in journalism school, this is what's also wild to me from this perspective, watching everything unfold is when I was in journalism school, I remember telling my professors because I had watched Newsroom. Did you watch that TV show?
- [27:59]
B
I never, I never did. No. Sort.
- [28:01]
A
Sour Jeff is the lead. Jeff, he's, he was the guy that was in the Will Smith movie. Or not. Will Smith, Will Ferrell.
- [28:10]
B
Oh, Jeff Daniels. Yes.
- [28:11]
A
Thank you.
- [28:11]
B
He's the, he's the news director. Right.
- [28:12]
A
He's the news anchor, the news. He's the one who like reports on everything. And I remember watching that show and being like, that's what I want, that's what I want to do. And you should watch that show sometime because it's one of my all time favorites. I've heard it's amazing, but it's what I established news to be. It's what I wanted. It was investigative journalism, it was breaking news, it was important things. You were impacting the world around you. And when I was in college and I was in journalism school and my professor was like, that's not real life, that's not what it is. Like there's politics and you're gonna have to choose which side. And you do this. And that was even when I was in College, right. So 15 plus ago. And I just remember looking at him and saying, I don't, I don't want that. I want to tell what's real. I want to tell the truth of stories. He said, that's just not where we are anymore. And I remember thinking that was really sad. And you're, you're seeing it further unfold now, right? Because that, that's what it is. You have to choose a side with what news you watch. And I hate that. Like, I loved the idea that you could turn on the news and trust what the news was saying because it was unbiased, it was investigative you had to have multiple sources. You had to. All these factual evidence. Now I go online, I'm like, people are. People are telling stories. Like, everybody's a reporter. And I have to then go be the person who's going to do the research to find out if it's actually true or what they added in.
- [29:30]
B
Yeah.
- [29:31]
A
And that's not what news used to be. I fell in love with news for the fact of how you can impact somebody.
- [29:37]
B
Did you want to be a news reporter? That's what you wanted to do?
- [29:39]
A
I wanted to be a news anchor. That was my goal.
- [29:41]
B
When you graduated, what was that? Was. Was that still your goal?
- [29:44]
A
Yeah, and I applied for, gosh, I want to say, like, 40 different, like, reporter roles. And I didn't get any, like, responses on them. But then, like, as I was applying for them, they were in these really small towns.
- [29:56]
B
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. You weren't ready to move to Paducah?
- [29:59]
A
Yeah, literally. And he had. My same professor even said that was like, you're gonna have to start really small. And I remember thinking, like, I don't want to do that. No way. Like, I'll figure this out. Whatever. And I just was applying. And then the more and the more I was still like that again. That was really the inception of social media taking hold at that moment in time. And I saw what it was doing, and I got offered the role of digital director for, like, Wichita, the iheart stations. I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna test the waters here, see if there's something I can be good at or whatever. And, you know, of course, here we are now. But it was weird because it was not my original direction at all. I didn't even do radio in any form in college. I did newspaper, I did the local news. I did, like, even sports reporting. Like, I was all in on, like, the track to be an an. And it just didn't turn that way. Yeah, but I'm glad it didn't.
- [30:53]
B
I mean, I have the same story, too. I mean, I wanted to be Peter Jennings was my guy, you know, like, when I was younger, like, I just loved the idea of being able to interview anyone and everyone to get the story right. But when. When I graduated college, because I'd worked. I'd worked in news before college.
- [31:11]
A
Did you do, like, internships or did you get paid?
- [31:13]
B
No, I got paid to edit the 5 o' clock news. First I ran Teleprompter for a few weeks, and then I got promoted to editing the five o' clock News. So, like, I would edit all the videos that would go. But that would play on the five o' clock news.
- [31:25]
A
The packages.
- [31:27]
B
Not even the packages. I would. The reporters would edit the packages. I would edit. Like if those.
- [31:31]
A
You were editing the actual broadcast?
- [31:33]
B
No. So, like, if there was a car crash, they send the photographer out. Photographer would come back with a video, and he'd be like, here, make a minute reel out of this. And so I'd make the minute reel, and then this is how old I am. Then we would take those tapes. Cause they were all edited from tape to tape, right? Yeah. So, like, I would select five seconds from this shot, and I would record to that tape. And then the final product would be on a tape. I would label it Car Car Crash. And then I would do, like, there were probably 20 tapes for every broadcast. And I would take my box of tapes, and I had four. Four players. Like VHS players.
- [32:10]
A
Okay. So I'm saying tapes. Like, as in VHS tapes, or were they cassettes?
- [32:14]
B
They were like VHS tapes, but different format. I think it was like beta maybe. I don't know.
- [32:18]
A
Got it.
- [32:19]
B
Different format. And I had four players. 1, 2, 3, 4. VTR 1, VTR 2, VTR 3, VTR 4. So when they were talking about the car crash, I would put it in VTR1, cue it up, and they'd be like, all right, VTR1's ready. And we all had headsets, and these were live news broadcasts. And the director would be like, all right, hit player one. I hit play, and they would take the video. And then when they were done, they'd go back to the anchor. I would eject one, and then I would put two in. Queue it up. All right. The bank robbery is queued up on two. All right, hit two. Then I hit two. So what was funny, though, is, like, my first week, I thought they were done with, say, two. And so after we would play the video, I'd rewind it for the six o' clock people. I rewind it to the very beginning. That way is, like, ready for them.
- [33:07]
A
Yeah.
- [33:08]
B
And so I rewound it because I thought we were done with it. But on air, you can see, like, the. And they're like, stop. What are you doing? And they're like, oh, my gosh. So the. After that, the whole crew called me Fast Eddie because it was like, whoa. Fast Forward Eddie. What are you doing? Relax.
- [33:23]
A
Hey, it's better for being fast than too slow.
- [33:25]
B
Yes.
- [33:26]
A
Especially in news.
- [33:27]
B
So I was always known as Fast Eddie, but that was my first job, and then I went to college. That's kind of where I was just like, this is where I belong. I loved the crew. I loved the. The production crews. I loved the reporters. I loved the anchors. I love the news directors. I loved everything about it. The news desk. It was so cool to be in that environment that I'm like, this is what I want to do.
- [33:47]
A
Yeah.
- [33:47]
B
And so I went to college for it. And then my first job was to be a reporter. And I did it for, like, I mean, I'm three weeks, and I'm like, this is not for me.
- [34:01]
A
Like, you didn't want to do the reporting side.
- [34:04]
B
What I didn't like about it was what you're saying. They were telling me what to say. They were telling me what to write even before I got to where I was going. Even if it was like, you're going to go to this courthouse and you're going to talk to this lawyer and this judge, but this is what we want from it. And people. But you don't even know, like, what they're gonna say. And so I didn't like that at all. And then a consultant came in, and they're like, all right, will you bring your shirts and ties and your suits or whatever? And I brought all my stuff. And they're like, that's not gonna work. That's not gonna work. And I'm like, what is this? I'm like, I can't wear this suit. Like, why is this so important to you guys? They're like, it's television.
- [34:45]
A
Yep.
- [34:46]
B
And that immediately was like, mm, mm. This is dumb. This is stupid. So I just became a cameraman. And so I did camera ran the live truck, and I would go out and shoot everything. But I was a journalist. I was like, you know, I was a journalism major, so, like, I would write all the stories, and they loved me because every time I'd come back, I'd edit my own stuff, I'd write my own stuff. And, like. So I was kind of a reporter without being on camera.
- [35:09]
A
Yeah, you got to do it without
- [35:10]
B
all of the nonsense, without the stupid crap, man.
- [35:13]
A
And I'm telling you, that was such a big part of it. I have another story for you. I'm going to tell you. We're going to take a quick break, and we'll be right back. So you talk about that side of news. I was learning a lot of that. And mind you, it was even more in detail being a woman, because they were like, your hair can't be that color or make sure. You wear it straight or not curly or, or vice versa or you look better in this color. You don't look as. As large in this color. Like it was very much about physical appearance and understand it was tv, it made sense. But it was just very much like everything was controlled. It was a controlled environment. And everything I thought about news was like chaos, which is why I loved it. Everything is just like it happens. Breaking news. Bam. Here we go.
- [35:57]
B
Go get the story.
- [35:58]
A
Yeah, right. And it just wasn't. It was so much more curated than I really thought because there was one. I did an internship at our local news station before I graduated college because I wanted to see. It was what I wanted and I loved it. There was one time that I went out, there was this guy named Larry. And that's what I was about to google.
- [36:17]
B
He was an anchor.
- [36:17]
A
He was a long standing anchor.
- [36:20]
B
Larry. Love it.
- [36:21]
A
And I loved him. Larry Haddenberg. And he like legendary broadcaster and everybody knew him. He was that guy that you'd see him in person and he was famous.
- [36:30]
B
Yeah.
- [36:31]
A
You know, and I went with him to do a story and a camera, cameraman was with him. I was just the intern hanging out. And we went into the middle of the Flint Hills. Middle of Flint Hills. It's like one of the coolest parts about Kansas is the Flint Hills. And Flint Hills are relatively untouched. They're this beautiful scape of like rolling hills. And. But there was this woman, I think it was a woman was living out in the middle of the Flint Hills. No electricity, no running water, no nothing. Still. This was like when I was in college and. Or like right at high school. And she was just living her best life out there. And we did this whole interview and I just like came away. I was like, Larry, that's what this is supposed to be like. This is like. And I, and I had that feeling. I was like, this is it. This is what I'm gonna do with my life. And then I'd.
- [37:13]
B
You mean the live like the old lady or live like Larry?
- [37:15]
A
No, live like Larry. Where he'd get to go and do these cool interviews and you just learn about cool people. And, and, and so like I had that experience, but then on the other side, I went with a really well known reporter and we went on like a court assignment and I was tweeting from the courtroom like the live updates. We were on murder trial on one of these. And it was really cool to me to like experience all of that.
- [37:36]
B
And all the news crews are there. Yes, that's Kind of fun.
- [37:39]
A
And you're all eating lunch together. Like, truly, what you see on online is what it looks like or what it used to look like. And the things that I just heard of, how we were going to report it and what we could and couldn't talk about and, and how it had to be shaped and I just. That came crashing down. Like, this experience I had with Larry was so cool. I was like, this is it. This is what I'm going to do with my life. And then I had this other experience. I'm like, never mind. I don't want to do any of this. I don't want to be attached to this. Because while it's awesome to be part of it and you get. And you do get to play a hand on some level, there's just so much control involved, you know, And. And I could not imagine what that's even like now. You know what I mean? Like, that was so long ago and that wasn't even what we were seeing now. Like, now we're. We're truly diverse.
- [38:25]
B
Yeah.
- [38:26]
A
You know, in the landscape and polarized of who's on what side or whatever. But yeah, news. News is wild to me to think about.
- [38:33]
B
It is wild. I remember too, like those consultants would also. Because people always ask, like, why did like news anchors or reporters talk like this? The man walked in with a mask on his head. He asked for a million dollars. They didn't give it to him. Like, and I remember improv there because I remember they would tell us to talk like that. Slow down, slow down. And you gotta talk like this. Enunciate your words. Make sure they understand what you're talking about. And your hands. Vagina hands. Do you remember that? Put your hands. But your lock.
- [39:15]
A
Something in my brain that I definitely hid back there.
- [39:18]
B
Put your thumb together, your thumbs together, and your index fingers together and hold it right over your belt. Like, what are you talking about? I would never stand like that.
- [39:26]
A
Yep, very much so. And like. Or. And I was always. I've always been a hand talker.
- [39:30]
B
Yeah.
- [39:31]
A
So I was not good at that because they wanted you to keep them down.
- [39:34]
B
Vagina hands.
- [39:35]
A
And then they want you to talk like that. I'm like, this feels very unnatural.
- [39:39]
B
But here's the story. Like, so when you're with Larry, would you record. So would Larry record a. Live. A little live. Stand up. And would you be like, can I, can I do one?
- [39:49]
A
So I didn't do them with Larry, but I did do them with the reporters I was with. So I have a Bunch. And, like, one of my news stories. I got an award for one of my news stories that I did in college.
- [39:58]
B
That's cool.
- [39:59]
A
For, like, it was Kansas Broadcasters association award, and it was for a live fire. I went to Fort Riley, which is the military base, and I did, like, things with the. I was, like, crawling in the grass, really being, like, a. And they shot tanks off for us, like, doing, like, literal live fire. And I was in a tank, and I was, like, doing all this reporting, and I loved that. It's such a cool experience.
- [40:20]
B
There are definitely some cool parts to it, for sure. I think the worst part for me, though, was seeing how desensitized you would get and people would get because I was in it for a while. I was in it for almost 10 years. I took a break in the middle. I did, like, four years, did something else, and then went back to news for, like, three more years. That's something else. Was work with Bobby at another TV station, by the way. But. But. But being in news, like, you know, after your fourth fatality car accident, you're kind of just, like, going to another one. Mm, house fire. Oh, people are in there. Dang. Okay, let me shoot it. Like.
- [40:57]
A
Yeah.
- [40:58]
B
What?
- [40:58]
A
Well, you have to, because if you show human emotion, then it's like, it's a completely different story. Right.
- [41:03]
B
But even as the cameraman, I was like, who'd be the first one there? Oh, I'm the only one that has this. Get this on air. Quick, quick, quick. Like, what is it? It's a dead baby. Awesome. What? Like, what are we talking about?
- [41:13]
A
Yeah.
- [41:13]
B
Like, it's just that kind of would drive me nuts a little bit. And then my wife, too. I'd get home and tell her, and she'd be like, you're a little too excited about that. And I'm like, ooh, that's not good.
- [41:22]
A
Yeah, you'd get excited to cover stories because that was part of the nature. Right? You just get excited to cover a
- [41:28]
B
big story, the only one to cover it and be the first one to put it, to tell the story before
- [41:33]
A
everyone else truly desensitized.
- [41:36]
B
Yeah. It's just. I don't know.
- [41:38]
A
But honestly, now everybody's desensitized, so.
- [41:40]
B
So. So it's all good.
- [41:42]
A
So we're all working, if you will.
- [41:46]
B
Yeah. That was cool to talk about that, though, Morgan. Like, Yeah, I hadn't thought about that stuff in a while. That's fun.
- [41:52]
A
I know. And it's like, the reason I was even thinking about it was, like, people were talking about the, like, small decisions that change their trajectory in life. And watching that, the TV show on Netflix called Ripple really made me think about it.
- [42:06]
B
Yeah.
- [42:06]
A
Because it's like the ripple effect of life, the interactions you have and how they impact you later on.
- [42:10]
B
That's so cool.
- [42:11]
A
And I love to just look back on my life and see different ripples and. And see different moments where I could have chosen something else.
- [42:18]
B
Yeah.
- [42:18]
A
And I wonder what that Morgan is doing in an alternate reality. Like what her life looks like.
- [42:23]
B
She's crawling in that mud right there. Like still trying to get that story.
- [42:25]
A
She might have joined the army after that story. There's one version in the reality that it is like, I really do think about that a lot. Like the different variations of me that do potentially exist in different planes. I know it's wild, it is about. But if the idea that there are multiple realities out there, which not completely far fetched based on a lot of science, but I do think about the different versions of me that exist and
- [42:52]
B
they just don't run into each other.
- [42:54]
A
Yeah. I mean, you're on different timelines.
- [42:56]
B
That is pretty crazy.
- [42:57]
A
You know what I mean? And they chose different things. So like.
- [43:00]
B
So. But why are you living this one?
- [43:02]
A
I don't know.
- [43:02]
B
Why are you? Why is this the only one you know and remember potentially?
- [43:07]
A
Maybe like once, you know, maybe once we die, you see the other one,
- [43:10]
B
you go to another one.
- [43:11]
A
Yeah, we go into that new other one. That's still like there. Or you start a new timeline. Like you go back to a certain
- [43:16]
B
point, you go, I'm curious to see if that's real.
- [43:19]
A
Me too. You know, if my conspiracies about TV shows and movies are true, then it is truly. And we'll never know. That's the funniest part. It's like, truly, we will never know. We're never gonna have the answer.
- [43:30]
B
Right.
- [43:30]
A
You think about all the conspiracy theories in the world and all things we're truly never gonna know.
- [43:34]
B
Yeah.
- [43:34]
A
Never gonna have the right answer or the full answer at that. And so I think about that a lot too. Where I'm like, do I, when I die, do I finally get all the answers? You know, like, I can't tell anybody who knows. So like, is that the moment where you guys like give me everything and
- [43:47]
B
think about all the people that have already died? They would love to come back and tell you.
- [43:51]
A
Right. But they can't get all the information, did they? That we're trying to understand. I think about that way too often.
- [43:57]
B
Way too much. I Can tell way too much.
- [44:03]
A
This is what. These are the spirals that I go down just thinking about life in a good way. Like it's cool to think about what. Like, what do you think the other versions of Eddie are out there doing if you went on different trajectories?
- [44:14]
B
I don't, I don't think that there are different versions of Eddie because there are so many different versions of Eddie. Like in this life, in this timeline, like there were. Eddie at 10 years old was so different than me now. Eddie at 25 was so different than me now.
- [44:31]
A
Okay, so see, picture this, say Eddie at 10, Eddie at 25. And there you were with him. But then you guys broke apart and went. Different trajectories.
- [44:39]
B
Yeah. I mean, I like the movie, I like the movie idea, I really do. But I just think that that's kind of what makes Eddie. It's 46.
- [44:48]
A
Yeah.
- [44:48]
B
It's, you know, like, I think that's just all those things is what made me me.
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A
But they're still you. It's just that you, you have a
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B
different 10 year old. Eddie went the direction he was gonna go. Yeah.
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A
I think, I think everything happens how it's supposed to happen.
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B
25 year old Eddie's dead for sure then. Like he's already dead.
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A
Well, that was his trajectory.
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B
He was leading that life, man. He was going nowhere good.
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A
And he. That's why he's not you. You guys are two separate things, but you still carry the same thing things to the moment wherever you continue on.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So it's still that person that's still continuing on. You just kind of variations of you break off.
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B
I wonder if there's a version of me that is living the life I want.
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A
What's the life you want?
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B
You know, like on an island, on a beach somewhere, like.
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A
Oh, like fishing. He like just went the fishing charter,
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B
playing golf every day. Like, I guess he'd still have family. I don't know. I don't know. But like, I mean, I'd still want to have my family, but I'd want to be somewhere different.
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A
I think about you going to the homeland. You say that a lot. I don't say that.
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B
Spain.
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A
Yeah. And I think if you were to have followed that track, a variation of you had followed that track, I think you would have everything you want. I think the culture's different there.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And that's very much the culture. When I was there, they took siestas all the time.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I don't think any of them had jobs.
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B
I like that A Lot of breaks. I'm gonna get a little. I'm a little tired, guys. I'm gonna do a siesta.
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A
They didn't hang out till midnight. I'm like, where you been? Taking a nap.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That was the lifestyle, that was the culture. You could do whatever you wanted, you
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B
know, like growing up, that was kind of the culture that we had in our house. Like, I don't remember taking naps. Like, my dad was a very hard worker. He wasn't a nap guy, but he played hard and he partied hard. No, no, he worked hard and he part and he played hard. Like that was kind of the style, like the stay up till midnight. That was normal. It's crazy to me. I think like my old self, my 10 year old, 10 year old Eddie would be like, dude, what are you doing going to bed at like 10 o' clock at night? Like, that's like, you're not gonna do that, man. We would not go to bed before midnight as a kid.
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A
Isn't that crazy?
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B
Yeah, but we were late everywhere. And if you woke up late, woke up late. I had tardies all the time. Like, all the freaking time.
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A
Okay, you want to go down like a different rabbit hole too? That this reminds me of is the, the fact that we are now in jobs and we had to go to school and do all these things because the Industrial Revolution.
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B
Talk to me.
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A
So I was watching a whole.
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B
See, it all starts from a show. I know it all starts from a show.
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A
I was watching YouTube. There was, there was like a historian that put something together and he was talking. This was like all factual. He was talking about the Industrial revolution and how it ended up creating like an industrialized society.
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B
Yes.
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A
Because of the things that they needed at the time.
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B
Yes.
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A
But we never broke out of that.
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B
That. Yes.
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A
So we continued still sending people to school and doing all these hours in this long form of that to then go into the workforce. Because that's what was created then. Yes, but we're not in an industrial revolution anymore.
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B
Well, we kind of are, though, but
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A
for several years we weren't. For several decades we weren't after it.
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B
What do we do after that? I don't know.
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A
He didn't get into the aftermath.
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B
Well, we need to know what happened in the middle there, because. Go ahead.
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A
But, but what I'm saying is, like, we. So, like our whole society will do things to help fit the problem of whatever is happening. Right. And so at the time, they did the schooling, they did the education, and they did the jobs to support The Industrial Revolution. But then like, yeah, we still had it, but like we created what they wanted to create. So then after that, why didn't we go into a new variation of that? Why did we just stay on the same track that they created all those years ago in the Industrial revolution?
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B
Okay, so. So the Industrial Revolution was created for. To mass produce goods.
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A
Yeah, right.
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B
Metals, everything kind of food. Yeah, whatever. We still do that today.
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A
Yes, but we do it so much that we don't need it. You know what I mean? Like we're over, but we do need it.
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B
Do you think you would be able to harvest your own corn?
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A
Well, I'm not. There's certain things, yes, but we're in an over consumption society now. Right. Like we've over created. We've done too much. There's too much of everything.
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B
Yes.
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A
So there's no longer this, like the. He was talking about the.
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B
This is interesting. I'm trying to follow what you're saying,
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A
and it's been a minute since I've watched it, so I'm really just throwing this out there.
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B
What do you want to. What do you want to stop the way we live our life on, like
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A
going to jobs, the hamster wheel, you know, like this belief that like, okay, once you hit a certain age, you go to school and you go to school for your whole childhood. And then once you're done out of there, you go straight into the workforce.
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B
Sure, right, yeah.
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A
And there's no time, there's no life, there's no breathing room. That's not how we were supposed to stay. We were not supposed to stay in that hamster world.
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B
Well, the money has kind of kept us in that routine too.
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A
There's a lot of things that have evolved in it, but it was.
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B
And the fact that we don't know how to get our own food.
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A
True.
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B
Like we don't know how to make our own clothes.
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A
But we also created that problem ourselves because we industrialized. Right.
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B
So like, all because of money. Yeah, all because of money. Because we wanted to make more money. And the only way we can make more money is if we make more shirts.
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A
Well, then you take me into a different rabbit hole, because everything's about money. Everything's about money.
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B
I think everything that we do is about money. And everything that's dishonest and bad is about money.
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A
Yeah, the entire world is about money. It's all about making money.
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B
No, I know, but we need it.
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A
But do we?
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B
I mean, hopefully this is where it all goes. Elon Musk says we're not gonna need it soon, so we'll see.
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A
Yeah, but I'm not talking about him. I don't know what he's on.
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B
But, man, what a deep conversation today with you. This is awesome. Yeah.
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A
I need to find that YouTube video game. But it was so cool.
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B
Why are you thinking so deeply now?
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A
I don't know.
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B
And I'm not saying that you haven't before, but I'm just wondering, like. Because when we do this, we usually. I know it probably starts with, like, how are the kids? Let me tell you about the kids. But, like, we've never had a conversation like this before.
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A
Yeah, I just.
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B
I like it.
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A
I don't know that it's not. I don't know that people are gonna love it. Right. Like, I think there's a level of that where I. I don't know that I want to show all the sides of craziness that I go in my brain. But there's also a part of me now where I'm just like, ah, I don't care anymore, man.
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B
What I wish, though, is, like, listeners, people listening to this. Like, if I was listening to this, I would be upset because, like, I have an opinion on this.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But I can't chime in.
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A
Yeah. I want to share. I want to, you know, like. But, Eddie, that's what I loved. What I. What the other side of what I studied in college. My minor is in leadership studies. We would sit in a room and have conversations with people from all different walks of life, all different kinds of beliefs, values, traditions. And we'd sit and we just argue and talk about things.
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B
That sounds like my worst nightmare, but,
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A
like, not arguing in the sense that it was bad.
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B
I know, but I just don't like to argue.
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A
But it was like a. To understand each other, to understand what you went through, to understand what your life looks like, why your lifestyle is different than mine. And I loved it. I loved those conversations. To give me perspective, right? To see. To go out into the world and see things differently. And that feels like what this conversation is. And I'm just. I want to have more of that. These are conversations that are missing.
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B
We're more peaceful people. Like, I think, like, I don't want to have an argument with someone who's trying to be right.
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A
You know, you can't be in those rooms and try and be right because, like.
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B
And even me, I can't. Yeah. I can't wanna be right because then I'm not gonna listen to you. I'm just gonna keep thinking on What I can say to convince you that I'm right and you're wrong. No, you know what I mean? And those are the conversations. I'm like, I just don't want to be a part of that.
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A
No. And that's never how those rooms were. You had to go in there open minded. You really didn't thrive in that environment unless you were already open minded to the belief of others. Right.
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B
You were cool with being like, okay, yeah, all right. I guess I had that all wrong.
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A
It wasn't like a cool. It was just like, oh, that's a different perspective that I've never really thought of that from.
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B
Yeah, I like that.
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A
You know, just like, not that I agreed with him. And most of the time you'd leave still believing the same things that you believed, but you'd have more behind it. Right. You'd have. Heck, you'd even understand why you really believed. Would just challenge. Like, you were raised in a certain way and you were taught this way, but is that what you actually feel?
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know what I mean? And so people would just leave there having conversations that we're not encouraged to have anymore. Like, I love having these conversations.
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B
They're good conversations.
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A
I don't like having them in a comment section. Like, I don't know you. We're not gonna sit here and go back and forth because it's not gonna help anybody.
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B
Right.
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A
But with people in my life, I love to have these conversations just like, what do you think? Tell me about what your views are in the world so I can understand.
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B
That's fun. I like it.
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A
Yeah. Well, maybe we'll do more of our things like this.
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B
We just keep talking about things.
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A
I can go here all day. I know the, the rabbit holes that I go down, they're crazy. And I don't listen. You could, you could. Anybody could write me and be like, this is all incorrect. And you know what? Probably, yeah, like, but that's how. Those are the things.
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B
That's how you learn too. That's how you learn too, by being incorrect. And like, but you're right. You have to listen to other people. And instead of you trying to prove to other people that you are right, understand, like what other people are saying and how are you wrong or how have you been looking at that? All wrong. Right. Like, that's a big part of it.
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A
Yeah. And it's having conversations. Back to what you said all in the beginning. Yes, it's having conversations.
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B
Let's get out and talk to people. It's important.
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A
Like the bartender you talk to?
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B
Yes, the bartender.
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A
Okay, we're gonna get out of this part, but Eddie, thanks for joining us. People can find Eddie. Producer Eddie.
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B
Producer Eddie. You know it.
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A
And listen to just all the podcasts, all that stuff, everything. And I'm at Web Girl Morgan. You can follow the show at Bobby Boneshow. Bye, everybody. That's the best bits of the week with Morgan.
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B
Thanks for listening.
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A
Be sure to check out the other
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B
two parts this weekend. Go follow the show on all social platforms. Bobby Bones Show.
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A
And follow at Webgirl Morgan to submit your listener questions for the next week's episode. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.