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MOVIE MIKE: Oklahoma City Bombing: American Terror (Netflix) with Director Greg Tillman and Retired FBI Agent Walter Lamar + Movie Review: Drop + Trailer Park: M3GAN 2.0
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Listen to Fighting words on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Hello and welcome back to Movie Mike's Movie Podcast. I am your host, Movie Mike. Today we are talking about Oklahoma City Bombing American Terror. It's a new Netflix documentary coming out this Friday, April 18th. I have the director, Greg Tillman that I'll be talking to and and retired FBI agent Walter Lamar. And I'll say right now it did get emotional, obviously with such a heavy topic. We are approaching the 30th anniversary of this tragic event and even being so far out from it, it is still so fresh to the people involved. So we'll get into that. In the movie review we talk about a new thriller called Drop about air dropping gone wrong. And in the trailer park, we have a new look at Megan 2.0 coming out this summer. Or should I say slaying this summer because man, they're going full comical on this sequel. Thank you for being here. Thank you for being subscribed. Shout out to the Monday Morning Movie Crew. And now let's talk movies from the Nashville Podcast Network.
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Greg Tillman
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Mike
Oklahoma City Bombing American Terror is a documentary coming out on Netflix this Friday, April 18th. Depending on when you listen to this episode, it might already be out. I highly recommend it. I was a little bit too young to remember these events, but I did grow up in Texas, so being close to Oklahoma, I do remember stories from this. But this documentary is a deep dive into April 19, 1995, when the bombing of the federal building went down in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people. It deals with their stories. It deals with the aftermath and into the manhunt and capture and overall psyche of Timothy McVeigh, which I found incredibly chilling after watching this documentary. And there are a lot of amazing heroic stories that we'll talk about here in this interview. One in particular that really moved me was Amy Downs, who was working inside the building. Just a normal day when the explosion happened and she was buried underneath this rubble and it took hours for people to find her. And one of those people who went in risk their lives because they didn't know how stable the building was. They didn't know if there was a second bomb inside of the building. One of those people was Walter Lamar, who is now a retired FBI agent. We'll talk to Walt. But he was involved in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, and it was his heroic actions during the chaos in the aftermath of the bombing that earned him the FBI shield of bravery. Joining Walter will be the director of the documentary, Greg Tillman, who did a fantastic job putting this story together. It's minute by minute that includes actual audio interviews with Timothy McVeigh, who was convicted and put to death for the bombing. But it doesn't really glorify him in any way. But what I enjoyed, it didn't spend the entire time breaking down why he's such an awful guy and all the terrible things that he did. Instead, I feel like it really focused on the humanity and also just paid a lot of respects to those who lost lives. The hardest part for me to watch and going back and learning about this story is the fact that there was a daycare inside the building, which they touch on. And it's a very sensitive subject. And those images are just heartbreaking. Even now, 30 years after the fact, it still hurts me to watch. It's not glorifying anything in any way. It is saying this is something that happened. There were some really bad people involved. And the reason it's important to put out something like this is to remember those who were lost and also in hopes that nothing like this ever has to happen again. So I would encourage you to check it out when it comes out on Netflix this Friday, April 18th. And right now, let's talk to director Greg Tillman and retired FBI agent Walter Lamar. Greg and Walter, it is awesome to get to talk to you guys today. How are you doing?
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Greg Tillman
Great. Thank you.
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Walter Lamar
Good. Look forward to being here with you today.
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Mike
Mike, I was completely moved by the documentary. And I was born in Texas in 1991, so I really don't remember a whole lot as a kid. For me, watching this documentary was learning all the details in full from beginning to end, and it was really powerful to me. So, Greg, I'll start with you. Why do you think it's so important right now, about 30 years after it, for people to watch this documentary and learn about it?
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Greg Tillman
You know, I'm going to throw to Walt. Walt was there when it was, when it happened. He was an FBI agent in Oklahoma City, and he did some extraordinary and heroic things that day. And Walt. Yeah, go ahead.
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Walter Lamar
Well, thanks, Greg. The timing of this documentary is important, and it's. It's an important because of the messages that the documentary conveys. It's a powerful graphic reminder of the consequence of hate. And when you think about those that are consumed by hate, they lose trust in everything. They have no trust in anything or anybody. And when you have no trust, the enemy is around every corner. So we have to be very mindful of that and paying attention to the messages of this documentary that the consequence of hate, the importance of having trust. But the more important message is the power of coming together. And Mike, that you mentioned having previewed the documentary, so you know exactly what I'm talking about. I think that message was loud and clear throughout the documentary. I think Greg and his team did an amazing job conveying that all important message.
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Mike
I think that is something I took away from watching it is. Sometimes I struggle with anything that is true crime or something focused on a situation when lives are lost. I find it hard to view that as entertainment. And it's hard for me to say that this, this documentary was entertaining, but it's so powerful in a way that it's not the subject matter that I'm entertained by. It's the fact that there was so much humanity that happened that day and so much that I saw how people reacted to it that was really inspiring for me to see.
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Greg Tillman
Well, that makes me happy to hear, you know, I think it's certainly a dramatic story, you know, and there are thousands of ways you can tell the story because unfortunately so many people were impacted by it, you know. So our job was to find a handful of people who were hopefully involved in the kind of the moments that were most intense over the next 72 hours. And we were really fortunate to do that. You know, we found several people who were right in the heart of what was happening all through that next three days. Walt was one of those guys, you know, and what's amazing to me about a lot of the people we met and talked to in this thing is, you know, you could understand most people just running away from a building that's just blown up in the middle of your city in the heartland of America, you know, but there are so many people in Oklahoma City that day who did exactly the opposite it they turned around and they ran right to the building. You know, there was a, a nurse, Rebecca Anderson, 37 year old woman who ran into the building to try to help people and she actually wound up dying because it was so dangerous in there. Something fell and hit her. You know, the whole building was just in shambles that nobody knew if it was going to fall over. You Know, as Walt says in the documentary, he doesn't know if he's going to see his kids again when he goes into that building to try to help people. All these people kind of discovered this hero inside them that they may not have known was there unless they'd face something like this. And I found it really inspiring to hear all of those stories.
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Mike
Walter, can you talk about that? Because in the documentary, you say that you saw it on tv, you saw the smoke, and then immediately went into action. Can you take us back to that day of you watching it first on TV before you went there?
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Walter Lamar
You know, Mike, and you know, I'm sure that you recognize that, that folks like myself that were there that day that have been impacted by this. And I've thought about it, because when things like this, when we are there. I was at the Branch Davidian standoff at Waco, Texas, the day that the compound burnt down. I was there surrounded by the smell of burnt flesh, seeing skeletal remains that were just hours before were human beings, and now they're. So those things are all put away, and they're put away in a box. Try to put them back here so you can continue to function, you can continue to work, you can continue to do your job. So being interviewed for the documentary, that box had to be taken out in every detail, had to be talked about. So it was. It was pretty tough. And even sitting here today with you, I have to tell you, and it's. And it's kind of a. A tough thing to say. I'm on the verge of tears even talking about it right now, and having just previewed the documentary and seeing stuff that. That day, you know, when we're looking back at that footage from that day that Greg and his team pulled together and brought there to take us back to that day, I was right there. And some of the things that I saw in that footage, my mind focused down and blocked out so that I was able to continue to do what. What I had to do and that was to go in the building and looking for survivors. But that morning, I was 15 miles away and I felt and heard the blast. I went in immediately into the house. And you're much too young to remember these days, but when we had sonic booms and they were pretty frequent and prevalent, I thought maybe it was a sonic boom. So I asked my wife, I said, did you hear that? She said, I did. I felt it and heard it, turned on tv, saw the plume of smoke, got my car and headed downtown. But. But it's only dawned on Me, just within the past couple of days that when I left the house that morning, my entire life was going to change that day. And when you try to try to quantify what that really means, I mean, I continue to function, I continue to live, I continue to be a husband, a father and so on, and do my job at the FBI. But there, there was, there was change and that. And I thought about that when I went back home at 4 o'clock in the morning that next morning, I realized what that, that my life had been changed. Just like all the rest of the people that were there that day. Every person that was there, every person that was impacted by this. And now even the people that will see this documentary, it will change them in some way.
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Mike
I really appreciate you being so vulnerable there. I can hear it in your voice, I can see it in your face. And I think that was really what I learned about your story by watching this documentary was the bravery you had that day. I can only imagine how that is looking back, even just have memories of it. But having to see the actual footage from that day, I imagine that's super powerful. So I really appreciate you sharing that with me.
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Greg Tillman
It's interesting because it's not just bravery back then, but it's also the bravery that all the people that we talk to in the documentary had to come and sit down with us. You know, Walt just described, you got to go back into that moment, you got to open it up and, you know, re experience it. And some of the people that we talked to, like Dr. Carl Spangler, who was a emergency room resident who ran right to the building right after it happened, and you know, Renee Moore, who lost her six month old baby in the building, they never really talked much about it to anybody in the media, you know, and so it was really a gift for them to like sit down with us and go back to those moments and share that with us. And yeah, it's incredible to watch people do that.
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Mike
Greg, how do you manage that as a filmmaker of wanting to do this story justice but also being respectful to everybody involved? Because like you said, some people just don't want to speak about these things or go back and remember some of this stuff.
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Greg Tillman
And we talked, you know, we definitely talked to folks in the, in the buildup to shooting who had amazing stories to tell but didn't want to go on camera and do that. And I completely get that. You know, we totally respect that. And, and even when people sat down with us, my job is to, and especially in a thing like this is to just help them tell their story the way they want to, you know, and other than that, I'm not pushing. I'm not trying to get them to tell me something in a more dramatic way. I'm not trying to get them to share something that they don't want to share. I think it's just important to let people tell you their story.
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Mike
Walter, I'm curious. At what age did you decide that you wanted to get into law enforcement? At what age did you know that you wanted to eventually be in the FBI?
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Walter Lamar
You know, well, I'm American Indian. I'm Blackfeet in Wichita. So we don't have an Indian country. We don't have a lot of role models that are FBI agents. So we don't have Uncle Ben, who's an FBI agent, Aunt Susie, who's an FBI agent. Somebody in our community who is so. That thought had never even really entered my mind. My mother's father was in law enforcement. My dad was in law enforcement for a period of time. And I was a schoolteacher on the Blackfeet reservation, teaching high school shop. And I went to a conference, and there were two native FBI agents there. And they said, hey, have you ever thought about this? Well, no, hadn't. Well, you should. And I did. And it's kind of a long, twisted story, but I'm at the FBI Academy, and I have a total, total and complete lack of confidence because I'm a high school shop teacher, Native American. The rest of my class are attorneys, and one guy's a rocket scientist, and on and on. And I felt so small in that classroom. But once I got through the FBI Academy and I was at my first office, I realized that it was the job that I was meant for, and it was a job that I was made for. I think when Greg mentioned that, the bravery and such. Well, it's not. I guess there is a certain amount of that that's in there, but it's about doing your job. You know what your job is to do. You go and you do your job, and you don't think about it being an act of bravery or anything else. You just go do what you're supposed to do. And I feel like that FBI job was what I was supposed to do. And one thing that I will say, and I've mentioned this to Mike, having gone through these interviews now 30 years later, in my 70s, so you start looking and reflecting on things a bit differently. But one of the things. And I think I'm probably absolutely not alone in this. And Mike, you Mentioned it on the very front end when you talked about kind of the dichotomy here of entertainment and information, and that it's. And so I came to the realization that there is an inner conflict, and there has been for 30 years since the bombing. And that conflict comes with the fact that you are not able to tell yourself that you did good. It's hard to pat yourself on the back and say, I'm proud of the person I was that day because of exactly what you mentioned, the tragedy that's involved in that, the things that we all saw that day, the things that we all had to do that day. And to be able to say, good job. It just hasn't been able to come. So, you know, and I'll thank Greg and the rest of the team, the way they did work us through the interviews, how we. How we were allowed space and place in those interviews. And then subsequent to interviews, that realization finally came to me, and I'm. That's something that I'm going to work on, as silly as it sounds. But to be able to just say to myself, you know, you did good, Walter.
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Mike
It sounds like it's hard for you to take credit for some of your efforts. And as you see me standing or sitting in the studio right now, you might see I'm a big superhero fan. And when I think of the greatest superheroes, the greatest superheroes don't do the job because they need it. They do it because the people need them. And that is what I see in you, Walter. You have something inside of you that wants to help other people. And you're doing it not because you want to do it to be praised or renowned. You do it because I feel like there's something inside of you that this is. I know this is the good thing that I need to do, and I need to help people. So just know that I just. By talking to you, watching this documentary, I can feel that. And I have just met you and been talking to you, and I feel, like, super proud for you.
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Greg Tillman
Right on.
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Walter Lamar
I'll also say that, and Greg just alluded it to a bit ago, my story is but one of a thousand stories. My story is but one of a thousand stories. And those are the people that I know that were in the building that rushed to the building, people that I know that experienced it. You know, my wish would be that their story, all of their stories could be told. Because there was no one hero that day. There was everybody. And that's what I said earlier, the power of coming together. Everybody came together and everybody had a contribution. And those stories are just incredible and they're amazing. And the stories that Greg and his team were able to tell about, just a few of those. But I'm hoping that people, when they see the documentary, that they recognize how many other stories are there.
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Mike
Greg, how did you decide the format, how you wanted this story to be told? Because it's pretty much minute by minute, day by day. How do you know that was the best way to tell this story?
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Greg Tillman
Netflix came to us and said, we want to do this story as a feature, like a one off documentary. So now we know we don't have the real estate of like four episodes. We got 90 minutes and we're going to have to hit the high points. And you know, you're, you're creating an impressionistic painting at that point. You know, you're, you're. There's no way to tell this story completely. So now we just have to find the people and the moments that after 90 minutes, give people an idea of what happened, you know, as clearly as possible. So that's what we started to look for. And I wanted to start right out of the gate the way it started. This day started for everybody except the guy that did it. So, you know, the show starts inside the building with some footage that was shot long before that day. But it's a very good indicator of what was going on in that building. And, and then the bomb explodes. And that's when this thing hit all the people in Oklahoma City. And we don't really bring McVeigh's voice into the show until someone in our story actually comes in contact with him. We, we had a deal with a reporter from the Buffalo Times who had recorded him for 60 hours in prison to write a book. So we had all this amazing archival audio of McVeigh, but we didn't want to overdo it, you know, so once, once he's caught by Charlie Hanger, that's when we bring that voice in. And otherwise we're just sticking with people like Walt and Amy Downs, who's in the movie, who's trapped in the building, you know, people who are experiencing this thing viscerally in the moment.
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Mike
I thought you handled that really well of not glorifying him in any way, but using his voice just throughout. What was most chilling to me, how he had no remorse about anything and I'd never heard his voice. And I think having that there was important. But again, like we've been talking about how we struggle with finding things like this quote unquote, Entertaining. I felt like it was important to include that, to tell the full story good.
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Greg Tillman
And I think so, too. You know, we didn't want to give him a platform from the grave kind of thing, you know, but it's. And it's only a slight piece of, you know, that material. So you just kind of get a tiny sense for who he was. But I think what we have in there is very indicative of who this cat was. You know, he was a very sad, empty human.
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Mike
There were a lot of things I learned about his capture by watching this documentary, that when he was captured, that they didn't know that it had any connection to it. And it was all because of the license plate that he was driving around. He didn't have a license plate. Could you talk about that a little bit?
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Greg Tillman
Charlie hanger has told that story many times, and I think it does a good job for us. You know, just that he wanted to go downtown like everybody else, you know, in law enforcement, you know, in the 500 mile radius. And he was told, nope, stick in your area. You're an Oklahoma state trooper, you know, and do your thing out there. And fortunately, he did. And then he came up on McVeigh's car without a license plate, pulled him over, started talking to him. And when he asked for McVeigh's driver's license, and mcveigh reached for his pocket, he had a windbreaker on, pulled tight across his chest. And that's when hanger saw that he had a holster. And there had just been, just a couple weeks earlier, a shooting of a state trooper in Oklahoma. So he was on high alert. That's why he reached out, grabbed the gun, and from there, you know, mcveigh was in trouble. He, he. Nobody knew that he'd done the bombing, but, you know, he was driving without a license plate on his car, and he now had an unregistered gun. So he was going to go in and sit in jail for at least 24 hours at that point.
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Walter Lamar
You know, one thing I'll say about trooper hanger, pulling him over that day is one of the things that I learned working in the FBI, working with a lot of law enforcement agencies and police officers. I call it cop eyes that they develop cop eyes or they have cop eyes, and it's based on instinct and intuition. They see things that we don't always see, and sometimes they see things that they don't recognize overtly, but it's their instinct and intuition. And I think that day wasn't just happenstance that trooper hanger pulled him over. I think his. His spidey senses and his cop eyes recognized that there was something afoot and pulled him over.
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Mike
Walter, what do you hope you are remembered for?
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Walter Lamar
You know? Yeah, Mike, that's a damn good question. What I would probably most hope to be remembered for. And I wasn't always, you know, and I even thought about this when I was thinking about the documentary. When I left the house that morning, my kids were still asleep. I came home, I was a different person. I didn't get a chance to tell them again that I loved him. And that's why I said that in the documentary, that I just. When I was in there, I honestly, goodness, wasn't sure that I was going to come out. And I just had this desire to be able to tell my kids just one more time that I love them. So what I would like to be remembered for, I'd like to be remembered as a good dad and a good papa.
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Mike
Greg, what do you hope after people watch this movie comes out this Friday on Netflix, what do you hope they take away from it?
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Greg Tillman
Same thing that Walt said right at the beginning of this. You know, like, no matter what your politics are, we live in a very divisive world right now. You know, everybody's screaming at each other across the aisle. Nobody's listening to each other, Nobody's compromising. And this is a great example of what happens if that continues. You know, this guy had decided, Timothy McVeigh decided that the people who didn't agree with him, that he didn't like, were no longer shouldn't be living. That there was value to have just. Just killing people indiscriminately. And that's the kind of thing that happens when people stop looking at each other and considering their humanity. So I really hope that people think about that being something that we shouldn't do going forward.
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Mike
I think that is something I took away from watching. It was. Even in the darkest times, you see people coming together at times. It feels a little bit sad that you have to go through something like this for people to really come together. But I think it was seeing all the people helping, all the people who just didn't care about anything else, of just trying to save and rescue people. So I love the documentary. I hope everybody sits down to watch it and really takes all those messages in. I hope everybody learns from all the stories. And I really appreciate the time getting to talk to you guys.
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Greg Tillman
Thank you very much, Mike. Really appreciate it.
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Walter Lamar
Well, Mike. Yeah. And I too, appreciate having the opportunity to. To visit with you and your viewers.
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Mike
Thank you so much.
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Mike
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Walter Lamar
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I have to to you, Chulito, but.
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Mary Kay McBrayer
I'm Diosa. I'm Mala, the host of Locatora Radio, a radiophonic novella, which is just a.
- [30:18]
Laura Carrenti
Very extra way of saying a podcast. We're launching this season with a miniseries, totally nostalgic, a four part series about the Latinos who shaped pop culture in the early 2000s. It's Lala checking in with all things Y2K 2000s. My favorite memory, honestly, was us having our own media platforms like Mundos and mtv.
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Mike
Tres.
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Laura Carrenti
You could turn on the tv. You see Talia, you see jlo, Nina, Sky, Sky, Evie Queen. All the girlies doing their things, all of the beauty reflected right back at us. It was everything.
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Mary Kay McBrayer
Tune in to locatora radio season 10.
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Laura Carrenti
Now that's what I call a podcast. Listen to Locatora Radio Season 10 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [31:07]
Mike
Let's get into it now. A spoiler free movie review of Drop, starring Megan Fox. Beihi. She plays a widowed mother, has been out of the dating game for a while, going on a first date with this handsome dude she met on the apps. She has a young son who she is really hesitant about leaving at home. But she has a Babysitter, who also happens to be her sister. Her sister is just encouraging her to get back into the dating scene. She has some trauma. She's working now as a therapist. You learn a little bit about that from the beginning of the movie. So I don't want to speak too much about the plot points because I think there's a lot here that you could spoil. But I'll strictly talk about the plot a little bit from the trailer because she goes on this date, meets this really handsome dude who is just as nervous to go out with her as she is with him. They sit down at the table and she starts getting these airdrops, which they change it to digi drop because probably they don't have any kind of relationship or partnership with Apple, even though they mentioned airdrop at some point. Maybe Apple has a weird thing about the way their technology is used in films, which there has been that theory floated around for a while that the bad guy can never have an iPhone in a movie, which I've always paid attention to. But sometimes it hasn't proven to be true because I always think, man, if that guy's the bad guy, he'll have a. He'll not have an iPhone. He'll have an Android or just some made only for the movie type phone. But I've had that debunked a couple times, so I don't know how entirely true that is because some bad guys have used iPhones. But what starts happening is she's getting these digi drops. They start coming in so frequently. Her and her date are trying to figure out who in the restaurant could be sending them. They think it's just a joke until things get a little bit more serious. She opens one of the messages and it tells her to check her security cameras. And she sees that somebody has intruded into her house and they threatened to kill her son and her babysitter, who was also her sister, unless she kills her date, Henry, who is sitting right across from her. The only thing is she can't tell him anything. She can't alert anybody, because if she does, if she tries to run from the restaurant, if she tries to send anybody a signal, they are going to go through with it and take out her son and her sister. So she starts getting more and more digi drops as the movie goes along. And as the viewer, you're trying to figure out who in this restaurant is responsible, because her and Henry, before it escalates to this point, they're trying to decide who could it be? Because they think It's a joke. And there's the theory that you have to be 50ft away. So he starts walking around, checking the perimeter and the entire time she's just scanning the restaurant for who could be on their phone sending these digi drop messages to her. And that is the fun part of this movie as the viewer trying to figure it out. And I didn't know how intense it was going to be, but I was on high alert from the very beginning thinking, okay, who is she running into? Who is she talking to? So this movie is highly entertaining. On paper, it's not the best movie. It's dumb, it's ridiculous. The acting at times is pretty bad, over the top and just a little bit wacky, even for Blumhouse. So I'm not going into this movie expecting it to be just a stellar performance. I like the fact that it is a thriller and not so much a horror movie because Kelsey and I were able to watch this movie together. I think maybe even she wanted to little bit more than me, so she was all in. So if you watch the trailer and thought, I don't know if this movie is gonna be for me or not, that's an indicator for you that it's not really a horror movie. It's more suspense. There is some violence here and there, but it's nothing crazy. But as far as Blumhouse movies go, which typically just tend to be straight on horror movies, it is not that they're trying to branch out a little bit. It's also on the higher end of what they spend on a movie. Typically Blumhouse is known for spending about 3 to 5 million dollars on a movie. Drop cost about 10 million dollars in reference. Megan One cost about 12 million dollars. So I feel like this is their higher tier level of movie. So where they kind of cut corners is usually they have a little bit of a limited cast. In this case it's a pretty limited set, takes place primarily in the restaurant, so you're saving money there. The cast is pretty limited as well. And aside from Megan Fahey and Brandon Skinar, I think that's how you say his name, that's really the top build cast in this movie. So by not having a lot of people, by not having the biggest of names, what Blumhouse does is create that spectacle and they kind of sell that idea, they sell that energy more like they would a roller coaster than just a great piece of cinema. And I think there is some value in that of just having a good time. It's a type of movie that you can go watch with a group of friends or go on a date night. Because I think it's enjoyable for anybody who has that curious watching mind where you're trying to figure it out. Can you get it from the beginning? Do you find out midpoint? Or will you be completely surprised by the end of it? So I think there's just that element of fun. I also kind of notice it in the editing where this movie has like this airy feeling to it, where at times it kind of feels like a play. Especially when they first walk into the restaurant. The camera kind of follows along. Megan Fahey's character. It pans around. The movie also had a little bit of humor here and there, which I think is important to kind of break the tension in a thriller like this. And the entire time you're thinking, what would I do in this situation? Which I think the easiest thing for everybody would to be not open an airdrop to begin with. Because I don't think I've ever accepted an airdrop from a contact I didn't know. I think even my settings, the way I have it is only people in my contacts can send me an airdrop. But again, for a movie like this, you have to suspend disbelief and take that ride, take that journey with these characters. And I think overall, this movie works. It set out what it wanted to do. By the end of the movie, I was entertained. So I think that's how I'm grading this. Because I don't think I had the highest expectations after watching this trailer because I could kind of see the parts that were to get really crazy and really elaborate. And I think there are some moments that probably would have benefited from a higher budget movie. They're some more intense scenes where I think this movie was a little bit limited. It almost felt like the visual effects went back 10 to 15 years. But again, they were able to sell that energy, they were able to sell that ride that I was able to look past that. Because for me, I kind of surveyed the room a little bit and saw that everybody was enjoying it. And with a movie like this, with this kind of concept and this budget, I feel like this is right there on that level of couple of bad decisions. This movie could have been a walkoutable movie because that is kind of that line you walk when you have a lower budget movie where the acting just really isn't resonating. And if you're not fully into the idea of having fun with this movie, you're probably gonna have a bad time. And I think for me. The biggest thing I took away is I feel like Blumhouse is trying to diversify what they are doing a little bit. They're trying to have movies that still fit in with their horror genre but kind of branch out a little bit. Because like I said, Kelsey is not a horror fan whatsoever, but she enjoyed this movie. And if they keep just doing the same horror movie over and over again with that $3 to $5 million budget just trying to strike gold, I don't think that's going to work and I don't think that's going to be sustainable in the long run. I'm about to talk about Megan 2.0 in the trailer park. If you're watching on YouTube, you got to check out the full podcast movie mics, movie podcast, hear me talk about that kind of a Blumhouse theme we have going on here. But they also have that level of movie where Megan has really cut through into pop culture that probably now is going to be their flagship movie. That and Five Nights at Freddy's are big hits they've had and I think with the success of those two franchises, they can take more risks on movies like Drop that have a really great premise that are intriguing to me that I just have to see how a movie like this would play out. And I was pleasantly surprised. So is it going to end up on my top favorite films of 2025? No. Will I think about this movie in a week? Maybe. Debatable. But would I encourage somebody who is seeking a mystery thriller to go check it out in theaters? Yes, I would. It did what it was supposed to and sometimes that is good enough. For Drop. I give it 3.5 out of 5 security cameras.
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Laura Carrenti
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Mike
Yeah.
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Mary Kay McBrayer
Are you looking for a new podcast that will make you laugh, learn and say que?
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Laura Carrenti
Yeah. Then tune in to locatora radio season 10 today.
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Mike
Okay.
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Mary Kay McBrayer
I'm Diosa. I'm Mala, the host of Locatora Radio, a radiophonic novella, which is just a.
- [41:12]
Laura Carrenti
Very extra way of saying a podcast. We're launching this season with a miniseries, totally nostalgic, a four part series about the Latinos who shaped pop culture in the early 2000s. It's Lala checking in with all things Y2K 2000s. My favorite memory, honestly, was us having our own media platforms like Mundos and MTV Tres. You could turn on the TV, you see Thalia, you see JLo, Nina Sky, Evie Queen. All the girlies doing their things, all of the beauty reflected right back at us. It was everything.
- [41:47]
Mary Kay McBrayer
Tune in to locatora radio season 10.
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Laura Carrenti
Now that's what I call a podcast. Listen to Locatora Radio Season 10 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [42:00]
Mary Kay McBrayer
In 2020, a group of young women in a tidy suburb of New York City found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.
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Mike
Someone was posting photos. It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts on my body. Parts that looked exactly like my own.
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Laura Carrenti
I wanted to throw up.
- [42:22]
Mary Kay McBrayer
I wanted to scream. It happened in Levittown, New York. But reporting the series took us through the darkest corners of the Internet and to the front lines of a global battle against deep fake pornography.
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Laura Carrenti
This should be illegal. But what is this?
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Mary Kay McBrayer
This is a story about a technology that's moving faster than the law. And about vigilantes trying to stem the tide. I'm Margie Murphy. And I'm Olivia Carville. This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Laura Carrenti
Sonoro and iHeart's Mikeultura Podcast Network present the Setup, a new romantic comedy podcast starring Harvey Guillen and Christian Navarro. The setup follows a lonely museum curator searching for love. But when the perfect man walks into his life.
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T-Mobile Advertiser
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Walter Lamar
You, you like me.
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Laura Carrenti
He actually is too good to be true.
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Mike
This is a con. I'm conning you to get the Delato painting.
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Walter Lamar
We could do this together.
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Laura Carrenti
To pull off this heist, they'll have to get close and jump into the deep end together. That's a huge leap, Fernando, don't you think?
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Mike
After you, Chulito.
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Laura Carrenti
But love is the biggest risk they'll ever take. Fernando is never going to love you as much as he loves this job.
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Mike
Chulito. That painting is ours.
- [43:54]
Laura Carrenti
Listen to the setup as part of the Mike Gultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Greg Tillman
It's time to head down to movie Mike's Trailer Park.
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Mike
I really enjoyed the first M3gan movie. After I left the theater, I said to myself, well, there's a new franchise, and it is so hard to create an iconic horror franchise now. But what made Megan stick out were the comedic elements. Megan dancing, Megan singing along the songs, doing the See Ya song. The movie became a meme, and I love it when a movie can break through to pop culture. We need more of that right now. So I enjoyed the horror element. Not the horror, the horror elements of the movie. And I also enjoy the comedic elements. It really gave it a style. Looking at the trailer now for Megan 2.0, it looks like they're really cashing in on everything that made that first one stick out. All the comedic elements are ramped up. Megan is dancing more. Megan is using more, cursing and being very witty. Even the tagline of this movie is that it's slaying June 27th. So obviously appealing to a younger audience, and I think that is great. The problem I have now after watching this trailer is it doesn't feel like a horror movie to me anymore. There was that suspense and that tension in the first one, which, if you don't remember what happened in Megan? One, you have an eight year old named Katie. Her parents die in a car wreck, and she has to go live with her aunt named Gemma. Gemma doesn't have kids of her own. She doesn't really know how to talk to Katie about what tragic event just happened in her life. So instead, she builds this AI robot named Megan who is designed to be the ultimate companion for kids. And Katie is able to talk to Megan, open up to her, and Megan is programmed to take care of Katie at all costs. And she does it so well that anybody who comes in contact with her, anybody who hurts Katie in the slightest, she ends up killing or finding a way to ruin their life, most usually by ending their life. And the reason I feel that this one is not going to be that same type of horror movie anymore is because one, we already know that Megan is a killer. And two, with all these comedic elements and other things that they have going on now, there's really going to be no suspense to build up with it. You're already living in that world. Now you have a new AI robot named Amelia who was created with the same technology that was used to make Megan. Since Megan killed a bunch of people, she is now placed in this cute, cuddly little robot. And they're not letting her out. So I'll get into more of this. And before I do, here's just a little bit of the Megan 2.0 trailer. We have a problem. We're hunting an autonomous Android named Amelia. She was built using your design for Megan. Nothing in our arsenal can stop her. She's gone rogue, killing anyone who's contributed to her creation. And you and Katie are next. I know how to stop Amelia.
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Mary Kay McBrayer
She's getting more powerful.
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Mike
Soon she'll be the most dangerous weapon on the planet. Put me in a body and I'll.
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Walter Lamar
Help you stop her.
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Mary Kay McBrayer
You remember what happened last time you.
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T-Mobile Advertiser
Threatened to rip out my tongue and.
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Laura Carrenti
Put me in a wheelchair.
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Mary Kay McBrayer
I was upset.
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Mike
So what they have to do is rebuild a deranged robot, Megan, in order to catch another one. It kind of reminds me of in Logan, whenever they have to create X24, who is a clone of Wolverine. And he's a little bit younger, he's faster, he's stronger, he's way more violent. And the whole time you're rooting for Logan, like, dude, beat him up. But with that technology, he's like, he can't. He regenerates faster. This is kind of how I feel about amelia and Megan 2.0. Kind of also the same. Way I felt about Shadow and sonic the Hedgehog 3, you have somebody who is very similar but stronger in every way. That makes the original, well, the original. And you're going to have probably a really great battle of Emilia overpowering her. I have to assume at some point you think Megan is going to die and then somebody helps her out. I can kind of see everything unraveling, but my biggest problem with this is somehow in between Megan and Megan 2.0, the visual effects got worse. Megan looks worse. And I think they're cutting corners with Amelia to where she doesn't even look like an AI robot, she just looks like an actor. And I find myself having a hard time grasping the concept that Emilia is an AI robot like Megan. Maybe they wanted to have her look more like a human, but I really think to me that looks like they're just cutting corners and don't want to have two special effects main characters to have to produce to make this movie, which is really hard to do, it's really expensive to do. And that's why not a whole lot of movies have your main character be computer generated, because it takes a lot of time and it takes a lot of money. I do think this is going to fuel the fire on how people feel about AI because you have a scene at the beginning of the trailer where you see Amelia building herself. You see these parts and this arm grab another arm, and before you know it, she's a fully powered AI robot and is killing humans. She snaps a guy's neck at the beginning of this. And it kind of looks like this movie is gonna go full on action movie. Because whenever they finally agree to put Megan back into her body, she wants to be faster, she wants to be stronger. They make her taller. So Megan has now aged from part one to part two, kind of like Miles did, and across the spider verse, which in this movie, they have no real reason to age our character here, but maybe between 1, 2 and 3, Megan is going to keep getting older and older. And if they go the way of child's play, I assume at some point Megan is going to get even older and have an AI baby. Maybe that's three, maybe that's four. Again, I do love Megan. Even though I have issues with this movie in particular, I do envision this as being a big franchise that continues on and on and on, much like we had our child's plays, much like we had our Halloweens. I think you have a character here that people are resonating with that is a lot of fun and it Looks like this one's gonna go a little bit too much fun. But I think this is something now that not only do we need in the horror genre, but just in the moviegoing experience. Even seeing things like what is happening at the Minecraft screenings over the last week, I have conflicting feelings on that because I was there. I experienced that. I told you guys in that review how rowdy the theater was, how much of a passion there was in the young fan base that is a Minecraft movie goers. But that TikTok man, where it's that dude sitting on his buddy's shoulders with a live chicken. First of all, how did he get a live chicken into a movie theater? I feel uncomfortable bringing my own vegan snacks into a movie theater. But this dude got an entire live chicken into the theater. And again, we only see about 10 seconds of this. But could you imagine sitting in a theater because the chicken jockey scene is probably an hour in, maybe 45, 50 minutes in for the entire time with the chicken underneath your seat. That is wild to me. And I'm conflicted because these screenings are causing chaos for the movie theater workers. Leaving it a wreck is not cool. Throwing around popcorn is not cool. Bringing in a chicken is not cool. But I've seen reports of lotion getting sprayed everywhere, rows of seats being ripped out, and that's not cool. But also I feel like creating a live event like that is really important and really impactful. And when movie theaters are wanting to bring people back into the theater, this is an event, this is a reason to go. But it's like a live sporting event more than it is the movie going experience. Maybe you create rowdy screenings for movies like this because I think this is something that you want to capture this energy, especially with the younger audiences who are going to see movies like Minecraft, who are going to see movies like Megan 2.0, that you don't want to be old and crusty and scare these people away and have them get arrested or escorted out by police. Again, you don't want vandalism. You don't want people, I would say, disrupting other people's experiences. I know there's been some cases where there's been families there just trying to have a regular night out and you have these just flocks and flocks of people acting completely bonkers in the theater. But for the most part, in the screenings I've seen, primarily it's kind of a calculated thing where it's all young people who essentially all buy tickets to the same screening and do this now if I saw a bunch of footage of like family sitting there and walking out or being disruptive the entire time to another filmgoers experience, which from what I've seen, it looks like it's all teenagers in all these screenings that are completely nuts because I don't want to disrupt anybody else from having a good time. The same way I think you can't sing along as much as you want to during Wicked Wander Wicked 2, because some people don't want that. But I maybe you create the rowdy experience that feels more like a sporting event because if you can get that just from a scene about a chicken jockey. And I think that is something that Megan is also seeking out a little bit in this. So partly I am excited for that element of it. Anything that is meme worthy, anything that creates a moment. Although I do think this trailer is trying a little bit too hard. The scene where Megan has the wing suit and has essentially a Mission Impossible type stunt flying off a mountain. It looks like it's gonna go to pretty extravagant links. That to me right now doesn't feel like why I enjoyed the first one. So hopefully it doesn't go too wacky to where it becomes too unenjoyable to me because again, I thought the horror elements were good in Megan 1. The original director is back. Maybe that's the reason why this one feels a little bit more unhinged, because he wants to go balls to the wall and really create something special here with Megan. But man, I just can't look past how bad Megan and Emelia look because usually the visual effects get better from 1 to 2. Emelia just looks too much like a real person to me. But again, Megan 2.0 is slaying in theaters June 27, and that was this.
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Greg Tillman
Week'S ED of movie M Trailer Park.
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Mike
And that is going to do it for another episode here of the podcast. But before I go, I got to give my listener shout out of the week. We had an interview last week with the guys from Hell of a Summer. I gave out the secret emoji, which was the camping emoji. First camping emoji I got was on X from Beanie at UD. Flyer 88 was the first one to send me the camping emoji. So Beanie, you are this week's listener shout out of the week. Thank you for listening and thank you for commenting. We had another interview this week and in order to honor the first responders, the law enforcement, the victims and survivors of the Oklahoma City bombing, which we talked about in depth earlier. Let's just keep it positive and use the American flag emoji. That feels very representative of the unity and humanity that was found in such a dark, dark, tragic event. So comment with that. Send me a DM. Shoot me an email moviemiked gmail.com subscribe to my YouTube channel YouTube.com mikedistro all the links to the socials are always in the episode notes. And until next time, go out and watch good movies and I will talk to you later.
- [56:09]
Mary Kay McBrayer
In 2020, a group of young women found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.
- [56:15]
Mike
Someone was posting photos. It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts.
- [56:22]
Mary Kay McBrayer
This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope about the rise of deepfake pornography and the battle to stop it. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. This season explores women from the 19th century to now. Women who were murderers and scammers, but also women who were photojournalists, lawyers, writers and more. This podcast tells more than just the brutal, gory details of horrific acts. I delve into the good, the bad, the difficult, and all the nuance I can find because these are the stories that we need to know to understand the intersection of society, justice and the fascinating workings of the human psyche. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling true crime stories about women who are not just victims, but heroes or villains, or often somewhere in between. Listen to the greatest true crime stories ever told on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Mike
I'm ready to fight. Oh, this is Fighting Words. Okay, I'll put the hammer back. Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a best selling author with the second most banned book in America. Now more than ever, we need to use our voices to fight back.
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Walter Lamar
Part of the power of black queer.
- [57:55]
Mike
Creativity is the fact that we got us.
- [57:58]
Laura Carrenti
You know, we are the greatest culture makers in world history.
- [58:03]
Mike
Listen to Fighting words on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Sam Mullins and I've got a new podcast coming out called goboy, the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable. Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted.
- [58:25]
Greg Tillman
Has spent 24 of those years in jail.
- [58:28]
Mike
But when Roger Caron picked up a pen and paper, he went from an ex con to a literary darling from Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts. Listen to GoBoy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention. This is a story about radical nuns in combat boots and wild haired priests trading blows with J. Edgar Hoover in a hell bent effort to sabotage a war. J. Edgar Hoover was furious. He was out of his mind and.
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Laura Carrenti
He wanted to bring the Catholic left to its knees.
- [59:06]
Mike
Listen to Divine intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.