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MOVIE MIKE: Top 10 Scariest Movies According to Science + Director of The Conjuring: Last Rites on Horror, Delusion and My Mom + Movie Review: Roofman + Trailer Park: The Running Man
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Movie Mike
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Movie Mike
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Movie Mike
That was dumb. People do not follow my example. Listen to Crimeless Hillbilly Heist on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello and welcome back to Movie Mike's Movie Podcast. I am your host, Movie Mike. Big episode for you today. I am breaking down the top 10 scariest movies according to Science. Also talking to director Michael Shs. He just did the conjuring last rights. I want to talk to him about the behind the scenes of that movie and what it takes to live out your dream of becoming a big Hollywood director. In the movie review, we'll be talking about Channing Tatum and Roofman and his unorthodox way that he became an actor. And in the trailer park, we'll talk about another man, Running man, starring Glenn Powell. A lot to get to. So thank you for being here. Thank you for being subscribed. Shout out to the Monday Morning Movie Crew. And now let's talk movies from the Nashville Podcast Network.
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Movie Mike
The Science of Scare project came out with their 2025 list of the scariest movies according to science. They had test subjects, put on heart monitors, watch a bunch of scary movies, and they monitored their heart rate while watching these movies. These are the films that had the biggest spikes in overall average the highest heart rate while watching these movies. It takes a lot for a movie to scare me these days. And I think when I talk about the scariest movies of the year, I pretty much am talking about the ones that are the most disturbing because I don't think I'm going to go into a film now. And it's not because I'm some macho tough guy. It just takes a lot to unsettle me. And the only thing that can really unsettle me now is something really Disturbing jump scares are good every now and then, but I think if your movie just relies on that in order to make it scary, you're not doing your job well, because a true scary movie will still give you those scary feelings if you go back and rewatch it a lot. And I think a great horror movie requires a lot of rewatchability. So let's get into the list. At number 10 from 2022 is Talk to Me, which the year this movie came out, I dubbed it the scariest movie of the year. Break down the science here. They say the average resting heart rate, the BPM, is 64. So that is your baseline watching this movie. When you first turn this thing on, if you're alive, you're at a 64. For Talk to Me, the average rate while watching it was 79. The highest spike in BPM was 106, which is pretty high. So overall, this movie was given a score of 75. Talk to me is about a group of friends who discover a way to talk to spirits. They have this embalmed hand that looks like this severed hand that they hold on to, and they ask it to talk to me. And they blow out a candle, and then they are able to go in and contact these spirits, and their eyes turn completely black. And while they are there, they're not really there, but it almost creates this portal. This movie reminded me of that scene in spongebob whenever him and Patrick discovered that they have a lot of fun by riding these fish hooks. And they don't realize that if you stay on these fish hooks too long, you end up being caught. So it was almost like throughout this movie, that is what they are trying to do. Hold on to the ride just long enough to where you don't get taken over by the spirit or it doesn't invade you or maybe kill you and let go at the right time to maximize your thrills. But what you realize in spongebob and also in Talk to Me, it is a fine line to walk. You're essentially playing with fire. You're playing with something that is bigger than yourself. And this movie was great. I love the directors behind it who also did my favorite horror movie right now of 2025, bring her back. That is the first movie in a long time to give me nightmares. Not so much because of just how scary it is at its core. But I found that movie so disturbing. And there are some images from that that just stayed in my mind. And after watching that. And that movie is now available on hbo Max. So if you haven't seen Bring Her Back yet. Highly recommend that one. But at number 10 on the list is Talk to Me. At number 9, the exorcism of Emily Rose from 2005, which had an average BPM of 82. The highest spike for Emily Rose was 96. So a little bit less than Talk to Me, but overall has a score of 76. On the scary level, the Exorcism of Emily Rose is one that messed me up as a kid. That scene where she is possessed and they are trying to get the demon to say its name and she just starts counting the six. That was a moment that rocked me. I think this is one that kind of cemented my love for anybody being possessed in a movie and why I really gravitated to those stories. I think now in my 30s, I'm probably a bigger fan of haunted house horror movies. That is my go to. But before that it was possession movies. It was the exorcism movies, obviously going back to the OG but also movies with paranormal activity. Like Paranormal Activity. Those were my go to in horror. And I think it all really started with me with the Exorcism of Emily Rose. That is just a powerful movie without the horror elements because it goes back and forth between a courtroom drama and and the flashbacks of the exorcism. So it has an entirely different level of sophistication than just your average exorcism movie, which I feel like the last ones I have watched haven't been as great. But the Exorcism of Emily Rose from 2005 is fantastic. That is definitely on my list of horror movies I need to revisit that I haven't watched in a while. But that comes in at number nine. I'm going to do these next two together because they are from the same franchise. At number 8 is Smile, with an average BPM of 83. And at number 7 is Smile 2, also with an average BPM of 83. Smile has the bigger spike at 114, while Smile is at 110. And at number 8, Smile has an overall score of 78, while Smile 2 at 7 has an overall score of 79. I'm a little bit surprised that Smile 1 is on the list because it's really only scary at the beginning of the movie and at the end of the movie. There's 40 minutes in between Act 2 and Act 3 that I feel could have been taken out completely because it got so boring. My problem with Smile was that so much of it was shown in the trailer and maybe I shouldn't have watched the trailer so intently, but I do this podcast. I got to watch all the trailers that I felt like they put all the big scares in the trailer. And when I went to go see that movie in theaters after the opening, I had already seen all the good parts, so I wasn't as scared. And then the movie went to an almost screeching halt before we got to that final Showdown in Act 3 that I love. The concept of Smile, which is in part one, a woman who witnesses somebody take their own life and then this curse gets put on to them. Because the curse is, you see somebody smile, that person takes their life, and. And then the curse is put onto you, and then whoever witnesses your death, it gets passed on to them and it keeps going and going. So While I enjoyed Smile 1, it wasn't my favorite. But Smile 2 took that and applied it to a pop star who was on tour trying to get her career back. She went through something traumatic that took her out of the spotlight, had a lot of demons, and then suddenly finally finds herself with this same curse. I thought the performances were so much better in Smile 2 and all the horror elements surrounding it. It was bigger, it was more elaborate. Instead of it being more of an investigation of trying to figure out the origin of this curse, it was more in a world of fantasy and felt more like a Twilight Zone episode. I think also the fact that it was about a pop star and it felt a little bit more relatable that it allowed me to enjoy it more. And when it came to the differences between Smile 1 and Smile 2, Smile 2 had a lot more action. So a great improvement from 1 to 2, which oftentimes in horror, you don't get that whenever the first one comes out, people love it. And then they change it so much between the second and then usually from 1 to 2 to 3, they just keep getting worse and worse. But when it comes to Smile, I still think the best is yet to come. I'm all in for Smile 3. They could keep it up till Smile 4. I think it's a fantastic franchise because it can continue to evolve by infecting different people from different walks of life. Going from it being so normal in the first one to now you have the life of a pop star. So that is 7 and 8. At number 6, we have Hereditary, which has an average BPM of 82. The highest spike is at 104 BPM and has a total score of 81. As much as this movie gets hyped up, I feel like Hereditary is a little Bit overrated. Toni Collette, I feel like she is an underrated actor because she does so many great characters who are so just different. And I'm so surprised at all the different looks that she is able to give. And I think this is one of her better roles. I was a big fan of the United States of Tara back in the day and she continues to pop up in different projects that I'm always surprised at the different types of characters that she can do so well. But when I think of the genre that really feels home to her, I think it is a horror genre. And as much as I enjoyed Hereditary, I just feel like this movie ends up on everybody's list at number one. And I almost feel like some people just want it there to feel cool. Like one person deemed this movie to be one of the coolest horror movies of all time. I just don't see it. It is not one of my favorites. But after I experienced that movie for the first time, there's not a whole lot drawing me back to that film. The family dynamic is crazy and twisted and I think the overall story is great. But when it comes to my core pack of horror movies, it's just never going to be on that list. So especially here at number six, that movie never really freaked me out. I didn't find it that disturbing, let alone as scary enough to make it number six on this list. So I think this one is out of place at number six. But we'll get into the top five now. At number five is the conjuring. With an average BPM of 84, the highest spike is at 132, which is pretty good. 132 is really high. Pretty big jump from anything else we've seen on the list. And I am a part of that 132. When this movie came out in 2013, which, by the way, it has an overall score of 88. So between five and six, jumping up about seven points on this scale. Whenever this movie first came out, it rocked me for about a week. There is one scene in particular that is so vivid in my head of that demon on top of the wardrobe. That first glaring look you get at them was terrifying. And I think that is what cemented my love for this franchise. And I will never get over that feeling. And that is something I have been searching for ever since. It was like I got that one big high from the Conjuring and have just been chasing it and nothing, nothing has come close. But I keep watching every single film, especially in the Conjuring universe. To chase that feeling again. But there is something so special of a movie that can make you feel that way, give you that anxiety, because it's all building up that tension to that one moment. And the Conjuring just played all the elements so well. Because I think out of the entire franchise, it is the film that you feel the most connected with the family, but also the most connected with the demons. And I think that is super important. That is why I believe it is the best in the franchise. Because you feel so bad for this family. It does a really good job at showing you all the characteristics of the mom and the dad and the daughters and why you truly feel terrified for them continuing to have to live in this house. And. And then it shows you all the different demons. And it is just an incredible experience. If there was one horror movie I could go back and experience for the first time, just wipe my brain clean, it would be the Conjuring. So it being in the top five, I think is the best place movie so far on this list. And number four is Insidious, with the average BPM of 85, has the highest spike at 133 and an overall scare score of 90. Insidious is one of those movies where there is one scene that takes this movie into a different level. If this one scene with the Red Demon did not exist, I do not think Insidious would be as noteworthy of a horror movie. And what Insidious is about is a kid falls into a coma. And as the kid is in the coma, they start to experience all these paranormal disturbances in their home. They have to find this team that is an expert with the supernatural. They find a medium to try and rescue their kid. And that one scene, kind of like in the Conjuring, just that single frame of Patrick Wilson's face and the Red Demon behind them, I think is one of the best single frame moments in modern horror. And even though the Conjuring and Insidious are not a part of the same franchise in my head, maybe because they came out around the same time, those movies feel very similar to me in the best way. So if you've seen one but haven't seen the other, I highly recommend both the Conjuring and Insidious because they are fantastic. At number three is skinamarink, with an average BPM of 84, has the highest spike in BPM with a 113. An overall scare score of 91. Skidamarink is a movie I really, really tried to get into. I think it is a novel horror Movie which is about these two kids who wake up in the middle of the night and find out that their father is missing. All the windows and doors in their home have vanished, and now they are living in this house that is just a shifting environment. Almost like this weird, fun house of mirrors time situation where nothing feels like it is set in reality. And it's all told from the perspective of these two kids. And they're talking to each other without real dialogue. And the entire thing was shot in a really unique way on such a small budget, which I think is also what we're gonna see with the number two movie on this list. But I think if you just showed me this movie and didn't tell me how critically acclaimed it was or that it was a noteworthy movie, I would think, what are you showing me? And while I love that horror embodies originality and encourages these types of stories and is the only genre that I feel that anybody with any kind of equipment can make a movie and also make a scary movie, this movie just really isn't it. Skin of a Rink was a one and done for me. If I was in a situation where I had to completely eliminate one movie from existence on this list to make room for another, I would eliminate skinnamarink. At number two, we have Host, which has an average BPM of 88. The highest spike in BPM is a 130 and an overall scare score of 95. Host is another one of those really novel ideas, which is now probably not as novel, but back in the pandemic when people had to communicate over Zoom entirely, this was a movie that took that idea and said, all right, we're going to have six friends who have a seance over Zoom with a medium, and things go horribly wrong, and they end up inviting a presence into their home. And then the presence starts to invade all of their zooms. Well, they're really invading their houses, but you see it all through Zoom. So for that time when you couldn't be around people and where Hollywood was basically shut down, this was a perfect breeding ground for this movie. This year, we saw another movie from that time period come out rather late with War of the Worlds, which not Zoom, but that movie took place entirely over Microsoft Teams. So that tells you all you really need to know about that movie. But Host was one of those movies that came out of that time that was one of the first to do it. If you do it now with a movie like Searching, which is another movie that takes place pretty much all over FaceTime and your computer screen. And before this, there was a really great movie called Unfriended, which is probably my guilty pleasure horror movie. And I don't really feel ashamed for liking any movie. But the reason I say it's my guilty pleasure horror movie is because it is one that I love a whole lot. I would die for this movie, but I love it so much. And if I recommended it to you or to anybody, I would feel embarrassed because it's actually not a great movie. It just embodies a time that I love because that movie takes place entirely over Skype. And it is the only movie I've watched that has made me fearful of the Skype ringtone. And I think it is a great representation of the 2010s. I just love the paranormal ness combined with the technology and now the fact that Skype is completely just done and doesn't exist anymore. I feel like we will never get another movie like that in time. So before Host, there was Unfriended. And I think I just have a soft spot in my heart for these types of horror movies, whether it be paranormal activity stories that use the resources around you and are able to make something for fairly cheap, but create something very large. So Host is like that. Unfriended is like that. I would say when I compare the two as far as which one is scarier, I still think Unfriended is more scary. So I would have put Unfriended on this list over Host. But Host is also a pretty short movie. I think the entire thing is like an hour long, but that comes in at number two. At number one is Sinister from 2012, which stars Ethan Hawke. The movie has an average BPM of 86. The highest spike BPM is 131. So still conjuring overall on this list had the highest. No, wait, Insidious had the highest at 133. The Conjuring 132. Sinister at 131. But overall they have Sinister having a higher scare score at 96. The more I think about this movie and how much it affected me, the more I realize that the praise for Sinister is deserved. I think it is a movie that came out in the 2010s, didn't make a whole lasting impact. But now when you go back and watch this movie and you see the development of Ethan Hawke's character, how just wild the movie gets by Act 3, which is all about Ethan Hawke and his family moving into this house where a gruesome crime occurred. And he plays a true crime writer. But then he discovers this box of these really old super eight hole movies and he finds out what happened in that house. And the further he digs into this situation, the more he puts not only himself but his entire family at risk. And since he is a true crime writer and this is what he needs to do for his job, he risked their safety to get the story to find out what is happening here. And there are so many single images that are disturbing throughout Sinister. And that is a perfect way to describe this movie. They got the title perfect. This movie feels so sinister and so unsettling that if you watch this movie, out of any movie on this list, in a completely dark room at your house, turn the sound up, no lights on. I feel out of every movie on this list, it is one that will truly scare you. No matter the level of horror fan you are, if you are like me and are pretty numb to all the things by this time, this movie will affect you in a way that it might be hard for you to go to sleep at night. So out of any movie on this list, if I were to recommend one, and I wasn't even a big Sinister fan when it came out, probably took me the entire decade until I revisit this list as they update it every year. Sinister is so solid and I'm okay with the fact now that I'm probably going to oversell it a little bit, I'm going to overhype it. But I think now, after me not giving it its Praise for over 10 years, I think I'm finally going to give it up for Sinister and believe that it deserves to be in this number one spot with an overall scare score of 96. So that is the list. Now let's get to our interview. Michael Shaws, the director of the Conjuring Last Rites, which the Conjuring Last Rites, is available on digital now and on 4K UHD on November 25th. I thought it was a really great way to close out the franchise. There is a moment in Last Rights that got me. We've been talking about the scenes that stay with you after watching them. The Conjuring Last Rites had it. It is all about Ed and Lorraine in essentially their final case. And it is really hard to close out and fully shut the door on a horror franchise. As we've seen with other horror franchises, it is hard to do, almost impossible if you will, because you always kind of want to leave the door open for more. But I think the Conjuring Last Rites shut it out in a great way. Crushed it at the box office this year. I love the fan base that the conjuring movies have developed. My mom and I are huge fans of Annabelle and she was really able to low key be the star in this movie. And there's one scene in particular where I saw Annabelle in a way I never thought I was ever going to see Annabelle. So let's get into our conversation now with director Michael Shabs. How are you?
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Michael Shaws
I am doing great. Oh my God. I love the name and I love the, the podcast.
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Movie Mike
Well, I love your work. I was actually turned on to your work by my mom, who is 60 years old, loves horror movies. She's Mexican, so she's a big fan of like Orona. When you're making a movie, do you kind of think about like, man, horror is a genre that really has all different types of fans. Do you have to make a movie knowing that, okay, I want to appease these fans, but I also want to make something that is honest to myself.
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Michael Shaws
Yeah, I mean, I think that it's, oh my God, I love, I love your mom, great taste in films. I just want to get that out there. You know, honestly, you want to make something that has the broadest appeal. And obviously with this one, I'm so blown away by the incredible response that the movie got. I think ultimately when you're making something, you just want to make something that satisfies you and you know that you, you enjoy as an audience member. And you know, because every day you're the first audience member for the actors when they're getting in front of the camera, you're first one at the monitor, you're the first one like looking at like the stuff that they're doing. You're the first one seeing the movie come together. And so, you know, that's just using that as a guide of like, you know what you want to see. And you know what, what's entertaining you is always, you know, I think that's what keeps me honest. I think it because it's easy to kind of second guess things and just think like, oh, people will like such and such and such and such. You know, just, you know, I think you got to just make a movie that you're enjoying when you're making it.
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Movie Mike
When you're starting to second guess things. Do you have a director friend you can go to and say, I'm having trouble with this scene or I don't really know where to go with this. Give me some advice here.
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Michael Shaws
You know, I mean, lots of people, I mean, I think, you know, both of My producers are just incredible. You know, obviously James, like, you know, I bounce ideas off him all the time. You know, Peter is, is an incredible producer and just a great storyteller, you know, on set. Patrick and Vera is, you know, they're both directors themselves. I think, you know, one of the things, like, before I really started directing movies, I was actually, like, very gun shy to work with other directors because I think there's a feeling of, like, they're going to know more than you or they're going to be, you know, they're going to take the movie away from you or something like that. And the fact is that, you know, it's actually the people who've directed movies are the most supportive and the most. They know how hard it is. They know how hard it is to put together the movie. And they're usually, usually the most generous with help or guidance or like, just kind of helping you to kind of like, get what you're after, honestly, just talking with them. They're great collaborators. They're really great. They're great people, but they're just also just like, really, you know, fun to make a movie with.
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Movie Mike
Speaking of you getting your start, what was the first thing you watched that made you think, I could do that? Like, I could make a movie? What was the first film or just any piece of work that you saw? Like, okay, like, I think I can actually do this and have a career in it.
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Michael Shaws
It's funny, the things that, where you, like, watch it and you're like, oh, I think I could do that are usually the bad movies where you're just like, I mean, I could do better than that.
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Movie Mike
It's kind of like some people who say, like, when there's a hit song, like, I could have written that. And you think, well, you did it. If it's so simple, you think you could do it?
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Michael Shaws
No, exactly. I mean, the movie that really always, like, always sticks with me and I always think about is. Is Jurassic park. That. That wasn't like something like, oh, I think I could do that. I was just so blown away by that experience. I was like, oh, my God, I love that movie. I love the experience. I just remember, like, at the very end, Spielberg's credit coming on. I'm like, oh, my God, I want to. I. I want to do that. Like, that just like, really, like, stuck with me, you know, and beyond that, it was just like, you know, you just, you know, just make movies with my friends. I was just kind of like, you know, pulling out the video camera and, you know, Just. That was kind of the, you know, just how I got started.
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Movie Mike
When you started making movies with your friends who got you your first camera?
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Michael Shaws
It's funny, my parents are divorced and.
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Michael Shaws
Yeah, even at the time. And the. So they both got me different cameras. My. My dad's camera, like, my dad's house and my. The camera at my mom's house.
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Movie Mike
Did they know the other had bought you a camera or did you work the system?
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Michael Shaws
I worked this. I was trying to get a better camera from.
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Movie Mike
No. How supportive were they of you when you were getting started in. In filmmaking?
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Michael Shaws
You know, they were incredibly supportive. You know, my dad's doctor. And, you know, in a way, like, looking back on it, I'm like, I have no idea why he would be so supportive, because it's like you. You don't miss. Want your son to kind of do something more reliable. But, you know, his dad was like, you know, first generation from the Azores. You know, he came over, you know, my grandpa came over a farmer. He was like a dairy farmer. And so I think my dad looked at it like, you know, his dad had no idea what he was doing becoming a doctor. So it's like, even if he didn't know what I was doing becoming a director, it was like, you know, he knew that there would be a path that people have, that it is a job and someone did it. And so he was kind of. He was very supportive about it. So I'm very lucky. My parents have been great.
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Movie Mike
Is there some part of you that has to be a little bit delusional when you're getting started? Because in a creative field, you almost have to have this drive where sometimes you could be the only one who sees it. You can be the only one thinking, like, I am going to make it no matter what. Is there some level of delusion in those early years?
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Michael Shaws
Oh, yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, I think it's like, you know, and I think it's just trying to. The trick is trying to have a healthy balance. Because also that delusion can be really destructive and harmful in a whole bunch of different ways. And also when you're making something, because you need to convince yourself that you can do it. Even when you're. You're young and starting and not very good, you need to convince yourself, like, oh, you know, I'll eventually be able to make good movies. And then I think the delusion can be harmful when you're, like, when people are trying to give you guidance or advice or even criticism, and you don't want to Reject that. You need to be, you know, in touch and aware enough as you're. You're making these things and listening to criticism so you can make the best thing possible or you could at least learn from things from the past. But, yeah, I think there is a little bit of it. But I think what the advice I would give to any filmmaker out there is don't delude yourself too much. You have to, like, still be aware, still, like, you know, you know, you know, stay open.
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Movie Mike
Not only did my mom get me into the Yoda now, but she also turned me on to the Nun. And then, obviously, once you started doing the Conjuring movies, one of the things that stuck out to me when you made the Nun, too, is you talked about there was just a photo you saw of, like, some nuns peeling potatoes. And you're like, I love that image. I want to work it into the movie. And was there anything in Last Rights that maybe it was a photo you saw and you thought, I have to put this in this movie?
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Michael Shaws
Yeah, well, you know, so much of it came from, like, the real case. That's the best thing about the Conjuring is, like, you get to look at these, the. The original cases, and, you know, look at, like, Ed and Lorraine, like, holding a press conference outside the. The house. And just, like, that imagery was, like, so great. And it was stuff like that. Like, you know, so much of the interiors of the house was, like. The layout of the house was different. The real house was a duplex, and we just made this into a single. A single family home for a bunch of different reasons. I just felt the complexity of having a duplex wouldn't really help the story. But the details, the texture of that house, the wood paneling, like, all of that was. Came from the real house. And there's so much stuff there that, you know, so proud of because it just. It really feels like, okay, that we're really in the Smarls house.
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Movie Mike
Is there any kind of guidelines when it comes to crafting the demons? Is there any kind of, like, rule book of, like, what the demons have to look like, what they. How they have to act, or can you kind of just make it all your own?
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Michael Shaws
You know, I could make it, you know, whatever I wanted. I think it's the type of thing that it's like, you know, you don't want to, like, break the general mold too much. You know, it's like if it. Like, if it came out and all of a sudden, like, they were all blue or something, it was, like, straight out of Avatar. It's like people would reject that. You know, there's a certain, I think expectation for what it is, but I think it's. And it's not just conjuring films. I think it's even like this kind of like retro supernatural horror movie. Like if you look at the innkeepers and those kind of like, you know, the great pale face of the, the woman who hanged herself. It was like, you know, there's, you know, we all know the conjuring such like the, you know, the behemoth in the, you know, in the genre. But you know, there's all these other kind of great examples of like what our expectation for supernatural creatures are. And I think that that is, you know, it all needs to kind of work in something like that and you know, we, so yeah, it could be anything but I kind of like just staying true to the core.
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Movie Mike
Well, appreciate this, Michael. This has been awesome.
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Michael Shaws
Yeah, Mike, thank you so much. I really appreciate it too.
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Movie Mike
Let's get into it now. A spoiler free movie review of Roofman or Roof man or maybe Roofman depending on starring Channing Tatum. This is low key. One of my favorite movies of the year. I found it so endearing and so entertaining. It's based on a true story, a guy named Jeffrey Manchester who I believe is a very complex individual. I think this movie set out to make a statement on how the system can fail people because Jeffrey is ex military and he is a guy who robbed 45 McDonald's. And you might say, how could anybody have any redeeming qualities who has robbed 45 McDonald's? This movie will change your perspective on him because if I just watch the news story about him, which this happened in the early 2000s, the movie takes place in 2004. I don't really remember it. But now if this were to happen in 2025, I would think this guy is a criminal. Get him off the streets. That's a lot of robbery. That's a lot of burglarizing. And I think it shows how the system can some people. I don't believe Jeffrey Manchester was an inherently bad person. And again, I just watched a movie about him. They could make me feel a certain type of way about him. He could be more awful in real life. But I don't think they would have told the movie in this way and took that big of a creative liberty. Because what you even see in the trailer is Channing Tatum after he has cut a hole in the roof of this McDonald's, because he is a very observant individual. And he realized, man, they are doing these deposits at the same time every day at every single McDonald's. What if I just come in before they do it? I put the entire working crew in the freezer, and then I take all the money and I call the cops. And you see him, even in the trailer, give his jacket to the manager of the McDonald's because he did not want him to be cold in that freezer and the manager forgot his jacket. And I think it is those redeeming qualities about Jeffrey that have you rooting for him, because he does do bad things. He does commit crimes. Even though this movie is based on a true story, I won't tell you how it ends, because I think, given the context, you want to kind of form the idea in your head of what exactly is going to happen to his character. The only thing I'll say is, obviously, if they made a movie about him, you kind of have to assume what happens to his character. But maybe you don't, but I won't get into that. But this movie comes to us from director Derek Cian France. And Derek did another one of my favorite movies of the 2010s, the Place beyond the Pines, starring Ryan Gosling. And I think what Derek does so well is showing you individuals who feel like they've been backed into a corner, society has really knocked them down and feel like they have no other choice but to commit crimes in order to make money, in order to provide for their family. Because that is what Ryan Gosling's character does in that movie. He starts robbing banks, and he realizes he is really good at robbing banks. And even his character doesn't want to see anybody get hurt. But if you keep doing it over and over again, it can only lead to more bad things. But I don't believe Ryan Gosling's character in that movie set out to hurt or harm anybody. This was the only way he knew how to make money. And I think that is the same case we have here with Channing Tatum's character, where he got out of the military has Been given all these tools on how to repel, how to break into places, how to take people out, how to protect yourself, essentially how to break into places, and in his case, how to live in a Toys R Us for six months. And if you give somebody all these tools to do these things while they are enlisted in the military, then they get done with the military and they come back to the United States and you don't give them the tools to re enter society. And in this case, Jeffrey Manchester couldn't make money. He had a family he was trying to provide for, and the only thing he was good at was committing crimes, using these skills that he was taught while in the military, and now applying it to his life of crime. So for me, a big thing I took away from Roofman that I really wasn't expecting is how we need to treat people better who serve this country when they come back home. And we want them to just quickly assimilate back into civilian life, but we don't give them the resources. I felt the exact same way after watching Warfare earlier this year, where you see people go fight for us overseas, witness the most heinous things, and then come back here and are just expected to be normal. We have to treat them better. Jeffrey was simply doing what he was good at with the tools he's been given, with the cards he's been dealt in life. And he obviously made some bad choices. He could have picked an entirely different career after coming back, but I also think he wasn't put in a place to succeed. And also why I believe this character story works so well is because Channing Tatum is so charismatic, and I love the way he embodies this character. Where Channing Tatum is a good mix of somebody who looks like he could have been in the military, has an incredible physique in this movie in particular, because there are scenes of him bathing in this Toys R Us, and you just see him basically completely naked at one point. But not only can you do those parts of this role, not only can you do the physically demanding things, but he also has fantastic comedic timing. Channing Tatum isn't your average actor. He doesn't really have a vast history in acting. Before he got his start in the early 2000s, before he got into acting, he was dancing in Miami. You've seen the movie Magic Mike. He was doing that type of thing. That dancing led to modeling. He ended up getting a role in a Ricky Martin music video. And that's where he was discovered and started doing acting. So he's not like this classically trained actor or had such an affinity for wanting to be a thespian that he went to school for it. And he didn't need to go to school because there is one thing that you cannot learn in any acting school and that is how to have charisma. And that is what Channing Tatum has. He oozes charisma and brings to life every character he portrays because he is somebody that just draws you in because of the visuals, because of his strong jawline, his muscles. But it's not just having that. You also have to have that charisma to carry the viewer, to make them like you. And another thing he does really well that I don't think he gets enough credit for. Not just the comedic timing, but he doesn't overact, he doesn't overcompensate trying to do all these extra things. When it comes to Channing Tatum, a lot of his mannerisms and his dialogue is very subtle and. And I find that charming. And I think also working with Jonah Hill on 21 Jump Street. Who. Jonah Hill is a notorious guy who loves to do improv. He will do one scene a million different ways. Maybe not a million, maybe not 100. Maybe I'm exaggerating. Welcome to the podcast. But that is what Jonah Hill is known for. And I imagine working with a guy like Jonah Hill on a very funny movie. 21 Jump street, which is probably my favorite, at least a top three Channing Tatum movie for me. And if you look at Channing Tatum's last five movies, he has a lot of variety and I think that is why he is becoming an actor that I get more and more drawn to because I don't know what kind of role he is going to take on next. Before Roofman, he did Blink Twice, which was more of a thriller. He played a bit more of a darker character. I liked him in that, even though I didn't like his character before that. He did Fly Me to the Moon. More of a rom com. Him and Scarlett Johansson, I believe, was a perfect pairing. I love that movie. It wasn't anything special. And that is a hard thing right now if you are not just a completely polarizing movie that makes headlines because it's not just about making a good movie anymore. You have to have the marketing, you have to have the storylines outside of the film that people are following along. Fly Me to the Moon. If you put that movie out back in the late 90s or early 2000s, that would be a core rom com, but it comes out at a time where that isn't a novel story to make anymore. Even though I thought it was done really well, it just doesn't have that same impact, which is a hard pill for me to swallow, because it is movies like Fly Me to the Moon. It is movies like Roofman that I love, that I go and watch in the theater. And from when they start to when they end, I am completely entertained the entire time. But it isn't something as big as a Marvel movie. It isn't something that I feel you have to drive to the theater to see, which is another thing movies have to do right now is create that sense of urgency that if you don't go see it opening weekend, you are missing out. Roofman isn't that type of movie, and if it can't be profitable, that makes me sad because it could mean we see less and less of these films. It did not great opening weekend, and I'm here just fighting for this movie because it is a really good movie. But before that, he was in Deadpool and Wolverine, which he will return as Gambit. He's going to tone down the accent a little bit more. I love the fact that he is finally getting to play Gambit. He is somebody who has been a big advocate for a very long time trying to get Gambit on the big screen, and a lot of people hate on him, saying, you don't look like Gambit, you're too big and bulky. I'd rather have somebody who doesn't exactly look like the character, at least in the comics, but want to play them so bad and want to do that character justice and be such a big fan and big nerd about it that it doesn't take me out of it. The fact that he doesn't look exactly like what we think Gambit should look like. And then before that, he did the final Magic Mike movie, Magic Mike's Last Dance. And before that, he did the Lost City with Sandra Bullock, which was a solid rom com. A little bit cheesy, a little bit hokey, but I really like the two of them together. One thing I didn't love about Roofman was the fact that it made 2004 feel vintage. Where you see some of the things on the shelves at the Toys R Us, there's like a stitch toy, and I'm like, that is an inconsistency because I really pay attention to those things. Whenever you have a period piece, which is weird to talk about a movie from 2004 as a period piece, but I pay attention to the songs used in a movie because you have to be accurate. But all the things that were on the shelves, all the video games, all the references where they were with technology at this point in 2004, which I also think was a big reason why he could actually get away with this. It all lined up and that made me feel a little bit old. The fact that these things from a little over 20 years ago now feel vintage. I was like, oh my gosh. It's starting to set into me that you can set a movie in 2004 and it feel old. Much like when we would watch new movies that came out in the mid 2000s and they took place in the 80s and it felt like an eternity ago. I am starting to feel that now and that was the only thing I did not like about this experience. So what did we learn in this review? We need to treat our military better and give them resources when they come back to civilian life. Derek CN France can humanize characters who have done bad things if you haven't seen a place beyond the pines, go watch Roofman and go rent that on. You can't watch it on Netflix anymore, which was the last place I watched it. But you had to pay like that $3.50 rental fee. That is fantastic. Bradley Cooper is also in it and that is the movie where Ryan Gosling met his wife. And we also learned that Channing Tatum. I don't think it's that big of a surprise. He's not a classically trained actor, went from dancer to model to now one of the biggest names in Hollywood. But I just feel like overall this is a real crowd pleaser because it has crime, it has thrills, it has romance, it has comedy, it has a little bit of nostalgia. There is a little something for everybody in this movie, but for Roofman, I give it 4 out of 5 Toys R Us.
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It's time to head down to Movie Mike's Trailer Park.
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Movie Mike
I think this movie is going to determine how big of a movie star Glen Powell is going to be. The Running man comes out only in theaters on November 14th. It is directed by Edgar Wright, who has done movies like Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, Scott Pilgrim versus The World, the World's End, Baby Driver and Last Night in soho. Really good director. I feel like Edgar Wright's movies are very almost animated esque. Always have a fantastic soundtrack, really quick action. It almost feels like watching an Edgar Wright movie is like listening to a really well crafted song with all these instruments that just flow together perfectly. He is a really great director to take on this project. It is a remake. The movie originally came out back in 1987 and starred Arnold Schwarzenegger. It is based on a Stephen King novel that came out in 1982. The weird thing about the plot of this movie, which is about a near future society, the Running man is a top rated TV show. It's a deadly competition where these contestants go on to try and make money. They are called runners and they have to survive 30 days while being hunted by professional assassins. The entire thing is broadcasted. So it is very Hunger Games esque, even though it predates the Hunger Games. But we're also just coming off a Stephen King movie, the Long Walk where people competed in this walking competition. One person standing would win the prize. So all these stories that came out back in the 80s are still relevant today. And I just have to know what is wrong with us as a society that this still feels normal, that we are still in a position where it almost makes sense to us, even though it seems like it's this weird near future that we have to compete to earn money for basic human necessities? Because in this movie, Glenn Powell's character is named Ben Richards and he is trying to earn money to help his sick daughter. And the only way he can do that is by going onto this show. So that was the thing I was just wondering, like, okay, it happens in the Hunger Games, so it happens in the future. It's happened in our past. Why are we still having to put ourselves into life or death situations like the Hunger Games, like Squid Game, in order just to have basic human needs. But I think it also kind of puts the mirror on us realizing that we also enjoy watching things like this. And it's one thing if it's just in a movie, just in a TV show, but I think it kind of says something about our society that we like to see somebody suffer for money. And I don't think that part of it is good, but I have to remove myself a little bit and think this is just entertainment. It's just a fun thriller. But with any form of entertainment and a story like this, there is always some truth to it. So hopefully, hopefully we're not remaking this 2025 version in 2045, and it still feels like that has to be an option for some people. But a lot to say about this movie. Again, why I think this is going to be the movie that determines how big of a movie star Glenn Powell is going to be. And also why he can't get away from roles where he has to put on disguises. Before I talk more about that, here is just a little bit of the Running man trailer coming out on November 14th. You know, I've been thinking about the.
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Movie Mike
Everyone in the country is trying to murder me. People on these games never come back. We have no choice. We need money for a doctor now.
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Movie Mike
Anyone can kill. You survive and you will walk away with a billion new dollars. I always thought this was fake.
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Michael Shaws
Feeling pretty real now.
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Movie Mike
So Glen Powell's character gets convinced by the ruthless producer, played by Josh Brolin, to enter the game. He gets into the game and his sheer determination and grit turn him into a fan favorite. But then, of course, he's going to threaten the entire system. As ratings skyrocket, so does the danger. And now he has to outsmart the hunters in order to win that prize. But also, what you see in the trailer is that the game is gonna be rigged. So can he pull it off? This is probably the third movie I've seen where Glenn Powell has to put on some sort of disguise. Well, I guess one of them is a TV show. He did it in Hitman last summer, which was a really fantastic movie on Netflix, if you haven't watched that one. Richard Linklater did a fantastic job with that story. He's doing it right now with Chad Powers, which is the show on Hulu where he plays a college football player who had his chance at glory, messed it up, and then goes back for redemption while wearing a very ridiculous looking prosthetic face. And now you have him here in Running man, where in this trailer, he is putting on a disguise to hide his true identity. So there is something about him that is drawn to roles where he gets to go incognito and why I think this is going to be the movie that determines how big of a star he is. Because while watching this trailer, I start to see some parallels with him with arguably the biggest movie star on the face of the planet right now. At least the one who's been around the longest. Tom Cruise. Maybe it's the Paramount logo. Maybe it's because since it's Called the Running Man. He is running throughout a lot of this trailer. Somebody who is known for being associated with Paramount, who is known for doing action movies where they have to run a lot, known for being a great leading man. I start to see the parallels between him and Tom Cruise. You look at Glenn Powell's career, which has been skyrocketing in the last two years, specifically, he really hasn't had a movie where he is the leading man that's not based in any kind of property that has determined how much of a pool he has at the box office. He did it really well with anyone but you, with Sydney Sweeney. But again, that was both of them combining both of their star power and how they sold that movie, which made it a success. Hitman was a really good movie, but didn't go to the box office because it's just a Netflix movie. Twisters, even though him and Daisy Edgar Jones were the two big stars in that film, I think because of the legacy of Twister and that franchise having a lot to do with it, I think that had some influence in getting people to go see that movie. And you could argue the same thing here because it is a remake, because the original was a success with Arnold Schwarzenegger. But I still feel like when you look around at the supporting characters in this film, there's not somebody else that is gonna bring people in. You need that a list. Star Josh Brolin is fantastic. Colman Domingo is fantastic. You have Michael Cera in this movie as well, who I hope has a pretty significant role because them two together just in this trailer, I think is fantastic. But I think it's Glenn Powell's name, his face, that is really going to be the determining factor of how well this movie does. It's not like you're remaking one of the best films of all time from that decade. It's also a pretty straight ahead action movie, which have become a harder sell at the box office. Speaking of Tom Cruise, he had a hard time selling those last two Mission Impossible movies. And it all comes down to, is Glenn Powell somebody who makes people want to go spend their money and watch a movie like this in the theater? I think it does well. I want it to do well. I have been a big fan of his work for a long time now. I want it to be successful. He is right there on the cusp of if he has one or two big hits, he could be in everything for the next two years. He could start suffering from what Pedro Pascal is suffering right now of people just being like, oh, Another Pedro Pascal movie at the theater. He's not quite there yet. He needs that big success and I think this could be that first big push to mega stardom. So I'm all in for it. The Running man is coming out in theaters on November 14th, and that was.
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Movie Mike
And that is gonna do it for another episode here of the podcast. But before I go, I gotta give my listener shout out of the week. I love going over to Facebook and TikTok and Instagram and checking all the things there. The place I am always the most hesitant to go over TO though is YouTube, because YouTube is so brutally honest. The people there are either going to build you up or tear you down. And most of the time they are going to tear you down. But I do spend a lot of time over there posting videos. If you miss last week's interview with Robert England, the full thing is up for you right there. So be sure to subscribe YouTube.com mikedistro you can find the link in the episode notes. And this week's listener shout out goes to sbz. So committed, who commented on my Robert England Review on YouTube and said, we need one more Freddy movie out of him. I can't take it. He is the goat. Which is kind of what I was trying to get to while talking to him in that interview as I started to ask him about the physical demands, because I really believe that is kind of what kept him from doing the role further now into his 70s. He is 78 years old, so as much as we want to see him play Freddy one more time, I just don't think he has it in him at this point. If they wanted to make an animated version of A Nightmare on Elm Street, I think he would be all for it and that would be fantastic. But if we get another Nightmare on Elm street movie, sadly it's just gonna be somebody different. But appreciate that. Thank you for being subscribed over on YouTube. Thank you for listening wherever you are right now. And until next time, go out and watch good movies and I will talk to you later.
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And Donkey Donkey Kong bonanza.
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Movie Mike
Nintendo Switch 2 all.
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Lego Star Wars Advertiser
Together, anytime anywhere games rated E to.
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Ryan Seacrest
E10 games and systems sold separately.
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Lego Star Wars Advertiser
Compatible TV required for 4K display make.
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Movie Mike
Their holiday unforgettable with a gift that says it all from Pandora Jewelry. A gift that tells a story and shows you know theirs that doesn't just sparkle, but speaks. From new festive charms to forever rings and personal engravings, this season give a gift that's perfectly theirs. Whether you're shopping for a shiny surprise for your significant other, matching bracelets to celebrate your friendship, or a heartfelt gift for a family member.
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Ryan Seacrest
Say more this holiday season with Pandora.
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Movie Mike
Shop now@pandora.net or visit your closest Pandora store. This is an Iheart podcast.