Ana Ortiz (1:50)

I'm Bridget Armstrong, host of the new podcast the Curse of America's Next Top Model. I've been investigating the real story behind that iconic show. I ended up having anorexia issues, bulimia. By talking to the models, the producers, and the people who profited from it all, we basically sold our souls and they got rich. If you were so rooting for her and saw her drowning, why don't you help her? Listen to the Curse of America's Next Top model on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Mark Delicato (2:23)

What's up, everybody? It's Snacks from the Trapped Nerds.

Ana Ortiz (2:25)

And all October long, we're bringing you.

Mark Delicato (2:27)

The horror Boogity booty boogity. We kicking off this month with some of my best horror games to keep you terrified.

Ana Ortiz (2:33)

Then we'll be talking about favorite horror and Halloween movies and figuring out why black people always die first.

Mark Delicato (2:38)

And it's the return of Tony's horror show side quest, written and narrated by yours truly. We'll also be doing a full episode reading with commentary. And we'll cap it off with a horror movie battle royale. Open your free iHeartRadio app and search Trapped Nerds podcast and listen. Now the best bits of the week with Morgan Part 1 Behind the Scenes with a member of the show.

Ana Ortiz (3:02)

What's up, everybody? Mike D. Joins me this weekend. What's up, Mike D. Hey, what's going on? Oh, I'm so excited because you and I just got back. Well, you know, not technically when we're recording this, but you and I both did the Post Malone bar opening.

Mark Delicato (3:17)

Yeah.

Ana Ortiz (3:17)

And I need all of your reviews, thoughts, everything, because this is your guy.

Mark Delicato (3:22)

First of all, I don't go out on weekdays. Like, this is out of characteristic for me.

Ana Ortiz (3:26)

It's a school night.

Mark Delicato (3:27)

It's like middle of the week. I also don't really go to downtown that often.

Ana Ortiz (3:31)

Oh, yeah, Listen, downtown is brutal in general now, especially when you are sober.

Mark Delicato (3:36)

And when we saw. When I saw it come down, I was like, if I don't go to this, how lame am I going to be? Because I couldn't. I just couldn't comprehend if this opportunity came to me like five years ago and I'd be like, I'd be there no matter what. Yeah. But it was just like, man, I got to go down there and show the crowds type of thing. But it was awesome.

Ana Ortiz (3:54)

But at least you did have a little bit VIP action.

Mark Delicato (3:57)

Yeah.

Ana Ortiz (3:58)

So not completely chilling with the public. Yeah, you still were.

Mark Delicato (4:03)

Yeah. You still had to get down there. It was still really crowded. That was the thing I knew going into it. I was like, even though, like, we're gonna have a different access to it, you still can't get around that crowd.

Ana Ortiz (4:13)

Oh, yeah. No. And I'm pretty sure the crowd was happening on Broadway since the afternoon.

Mark Delicato (4:19)

Yeah. Cause we got there early and it was still like, it was already like, oh, man, this is gonna be nuts. Cause you think. Cause at first I thought it was gonna be like a normal, chill thing. I didn't even know, like, people were going to know about it. I thought it was going to be like, here's this Avengers bar. He's going to show up and do this thing. I didn't say anything. And then when I saw him post about it, I was like, oh, this totally changes everything.

Ana Ortiz (4:39)

Well, because he also, beyond the fact that he was going to be there performing on Broadway, he also was like, from 9pm until 2am I'm covering the tab.

Mark Delicato (4:49)

Yeah.

Ana Ortiz (4:49)

So that brings out a whole new level of crazy.

Mark Delicato (4:52)

It just opened it up to everybody. And if you see that, even if you're not a Post Malone fan, you'll be like, I'm going to go downtown, try to get some free drinks.

Ana Ortiz (4:59)

Right. Free drinks on Broadway, too. Mind you, a drink on Broadway costs anywhere from 16 to $23 for one drink.

Mark Delicato (5:06)

Yeah, that's crazy.

Ana Ortiz (5:07)

So it's. That's a big deal to cover that tab. But what are your thoughts on his bar?

Mark Delicato (5:13)

I think it's pretty cool, like, seeing all this stuff all around. His, like, wax figure is there. I like the bar and I don't like Runway bars. This is probably the only second one that I've gone to a thing like this. Let's see, I went to the Dirks one. Okay. I like Dirks. And that was still like, before everybody had one. So it was a little more novel at that time. And I'd say, of course, this is my favorite one.

Ana Ortiz (5:36)

Naturally.

Mark Delicato (5:37)

Will I go back? I don't know. Yeah, I just can't. It's hard to go to places when you don't drink.

Ana Ortiz (5:44)

Yeah.

Mark Delicato (5:45)

And I had a liquid death, so it kind of felt like I was drinking something. But aside from that, like, I don't know what to do at bars.

Ana Ortiz (5:53)

It's fair. Listen, Mike, I've been. I've only been completely sober for about a month and a half now. And yeah, I don't know what to do with my hands when I go.

Mark Delicato (6:02)

In places because I don't understand how people go there to socialize with friends if you can't hear each other. And it's weird because some people are really good at it that you can talk and they, like, understand things. And I don't know if they have ears trained because they do that so much. But that is the hardest part for me is like, how do you even talk to somebody if you're screaming the whole time?

Ana Ortiz (6:24)

It's true. It is a talent. And it's one that's honestly an exhausting talent because when you do it, your eardrums do get very exhaustive because you're like, intently. It's like you have to Turn on another notch on your eardrum to be like, hey, we got to really zone in and pay attention. Or like you're just really good at speaking at a normal. Like it's kind of weird, it's kind of messes with your brain because people speak normally but they speak into your ear so then it's easier to hear. But that's a talent.

Mark Delicato (6:50)

Yeah.

Ana Ortiz (6:51)

To be able to do that.

Mark Delicato (6:52)

I do not have that talent.

Ana Ortiz (6:53)

And it's very loud. It's very loud in there. In any downtown bar. It's. It's loud in general on Broadway. So won't be going back.

Mark Delicato (7:02)

Yeah. Because that's not even like me getting older thing. Like I never went to bars even when I was partying in my teenage underage and 20 year old. Like that just wasn't a thing for me. Just because I think that environment for me isn't comfortable when it comes to like when I wanted to drink, I didn't want, I didn't feel the need to be around a lot of people at a bar. I was more of a go to like a house party type drinker or just with friends.

Ana Ortiz (7:28)

Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that's. There's. You have bar drinkers, you have house party drinkers. I'm just happen to normally be one of both. Not lately though, so I do know. And. And I also felt a side of your pain because I couldn't eat anything. And normally when I'm not drinking, the other thing that I do is eat. So like if there's food, I'm like, I can pay attention to food and that's what I can carry around and socialize. But I couldn't have any of it.

Mark Delicato (7:52)

Yeah. Any event. I just saw they were like, we're going to have food. I'm like, I'm just not going to be any of that food. And granted, yeah, it was all like chicken.

Ana Ortiz (8:00)

Yeah, it was chicken. And I was really sad because they had deep fried Oreos and deep fried donut holes and I really wanted to eat those, but I couldn't. So sad. And at one point because they had all these nice waitresses walking around with food and there was at one point where some walked by with mozzarella sticks, which is my kryptonite. And I literally looked and I just looked at my boyfriend. I just was pouted. I was like, that is the most depressing thing that's ever happened. And it was like shoving it in my face and I tried to get him to eat it for me and he Was like, no, I'm not going to eat your favorite thing in front of you. That would be mean.

Mark Delicato (8:35)

The only thing I was tempted by, even though I don't drink, was the Bud Light. Just because it felt like very posty. Going to a Post Malone bar opening, they're handing out free Bud Light. I was like, that kind of feels right.

Ana Ortiz (8:45)

Well, and don't you have the Bud Light can from when he performed?

Mark Delicato (8:49)

I still have it. I'm trying to get it signed eventually, but I still have it.

Ana Ortiz (8:53)

Yeah. And that's hard. And you probably didn't bring it with you last night.

Mark Delicato (8:56)

And I saw him briefly before he performed, like, walking out of the bar, and I was like, what am I doing? Like, air. Sign this can.

Ana Ortiz (9:04)

Did you try and go see him perform?

Mark Delicato (9:06)

Yeah.

Ana Ortiz (9:07)

Did you make it?

Mark Delicato (9:08)

Yeah, I made it.

Ana Ortiz (9:08)

Okay. I didn't.

Mark Delicato (9:10)

You did it.

Ana Ortiz (9:12)

So tell me. Tell me what it was like.

Mark Delicato (9:14)

I like the country era, but I'm a little bit, like, ready for him to move past it. But I don't think he is because I feel like he is the most comfortable now seeing him bring out, like, Dirks and Brooks and Dunn. I feel like this is almost what he wanted to do the entire time. Because country is something that's been, like, a part of him forever. Like, he. He's known these songs since he was back doing his first album. And seeing him on stage performing 90s country covers and bringing out these artists, I feel like he is the most comfortable now. And as a longtime fan, I like it. But I want him to do one other country album and then kind of move on because he's shifted genres, like here and there. Like, started out rap, hip hop, did, like a rock album, did almost like an indie album. Went really pop for a minute. And now he's been country for a while now. I just kind of want him to go either back to doing hip hop or trying something else.

Ana Ortiz (10:13)

What else? Well, okay, I have multiple questions here. First of all, do you think maybe he's here to stay and he may just stay in this genre after last night?

Mark Delicato (10:23)

I think he is going to stay. I feel like this is where his foundation is going to be now, especially having a bar on Broadway. It kind of cements you into that culture. I think the relationships he has formed here, not only with artists but with songwriters, it's starting to become a part of his DNA where I couldn't see him just leaving that part of him behind. Yeah.

Ana Ortiz (10:44)

Kind of like it's intertwined. Like, he may try other genres, but this Will always be part of it.

Mark Delicato (10:48)

The thing I could see him kind of doing is kind of like the hardy route of like going back into the harder rock stuff. Plus, Melanie's a big, like, metal, heavy, hard rock fan, so I could see him kind of walk that line of like, hey, I put out a couple country albums. This is kind of the next step in progression where those two genres kind of go together, like the audience wise. Like, if you went to a festival and there was kind of like an in between band, you could get away with that. Yeah, I could see him kind of evolving into that, Even though he's kind of done a rock record already.

Ana Ortiz (11:21)

Okay, I see it. But definitely a bummer for all of those who are. And my boyfriend's kind of with you. He loves the hip hop rap side of him. That's like the stuff that he's really gravitated towards. And some of the pop, because that was also influenced with that.

Mark Delicato (11:35)

Yeah, in the same kind of lane. Still. Still had the same sound.

Ana Ortiz (11:38)

Yes. So he loved that. He was like when we. Because we did try and make it, but the performance was free on Broadway. And if there's anything free on Broadway, you know, there's just a lot. And since I was dead sober, I couldn't handle it. My boyfriend was fine. He had two drinks in him. So he's like, I'm okay. You know, you can shove into me. And I was like, I'm not. Somebody shoves into me one more time, I'm going to throw a p. It's.

Mark Delicato (11:58)

Not going to go well. I did kind of feel like stuck for a second when we couldn't even get out onto Broadway. Yeah, it was crazy.

Ana Ortiz (12:05)

And that's. And that was why. So we tried, like, two different avenues. And I was like, okay, let's go home.

Mark Delicato (12:10)

I'm good.

Ana Ortiz (12:11)

I like him a lot, but it's not worth this for me. But he was like, it's okay. He's not going to perform the songs that I wanted to hear anyway. And it was true.

Mark Delicato (12:19)

And this is me even saying this as him being in country is probably the best for me because that means he would be around more. I've seen him more in the last year than I've seen him the entire time I've been a fan. I've seen him like four times in the last year now. Yeah, because he's here more. He's at more events. It is probably in my best interest that he stays in country because he would be around more. And I'm saying that. That I Would still rather him kind of go back and do something different.

Ana Ortiz (12:48)

Yeah, but that's also you outside perspective as a fan of just his music. Like you like him as a person. You're his number one fan but you also are his number one fan because of his music. And if you're over this genre of it, that's a huge part of where that lies.

Mark Delicato (13:05)

And I didn't realize it until I go back and listen to his music. And it is not an album that I like gravitate towards wanting to listen to on repeat. If I'm going back to listen to Post Malone, I'm going back to like Stoney. I'm going back to like the first two albums. This one I just don't revisit as much. Even though when it came out I listened to it every day for like three weeks straight. Now I just find myself going back to it the least out of all of his albums.

Ana Ortiz (13:32)

But correct me if I'm wrong, country also isn't one of your top genres normally.

Mark Delicato (13:36)

Normally, no.

Ana Ortiz (13:37)

Yeah. Like you more gravitate. What would you say your top three genres are that you genuinely as a person listen to outside of work?

Mark Delicato (13:44)

I would say sad music is genre. I say probably like. Like singer, songwriter, indie is probably my go to.

Ana Ortiz (13:55)

Okay.

Mark Delicato (13:56)

Second is probably punk rock. Just because I think where I listen to my most music is probably running.

Ana Ortiz (14:02)

Yeah.

Mark Delicato (14:03)

Like it's hard to find upbeat stuff. So I think if you just pulled like my music stats that kind of dominates just for how much I listen to that while I run. And then third is probably just Mexican music. Anything in Spanish is probably third. Yeah.

Ana Ortiz (14:19)

So see it's not even one of your top. So that would make sense too why you're not gravitating. You're also not doing the activities. I feel like that like for country music whenever even working in and I grew up, I was raised on country music. I now really listen to country music. If I'm outside vibing it's summertime and there's like a good vibe going on. I'm maybe going to day drink or something like that or I'm going to a boat or a lake or out on the beach. Those are my country vibes. But when I'm going to get ready to go out, when I'm working out, when I'm doing most of the time it's pop music. It's you know like a kind of like what you're talking about the pop rock type stuff or like even a little bit of hip hop too. I only gravitate towards country music in very specific incidents. Now, as an adult, before, it was my everything because it's all my parents listen to. But like, as somebody who makes a choice, country music, there's very great instances to listen to it, but it's not a genre that I feel like I'm. I'm going to go to the bar and I'm going to be like out and people are going to be grinding to country music. Right?

Mark Delicato (15:22)

Yeah.

Ana Ortiz (15:22)

It's only if you go to a country bar or if I'm going to go work out really hard, do like a crossfit workout. Country music is probably not going to be the thing that's going to get me going. You know what I mean?

Mark Delicato (15:32)

Yeah.

Ana Ortiz (15:33)

So it is one of those genres that feels a little bit more specific depending on your vibe. Now if I'm on a like, road trip, country music is the vibe. It's all. It's all based on scenarios.

Mark Delicato (15:42)

Yeah. Every time I went to my orthodontist, they always had on country. Yeah.

Ana Ortiz (15:47)

It's the office losing music too.

Mark Delicato (15:49)

Very crowd pleasing music.

Ana Ortiz (15:50)

Yes.

Mark Delicato (15:51)

And I think that's also why I listened to it a lot growing up. Because it was always just on the radio. Like if I was driving like with my parents or my cousins, I just. That is what I associate country music with. Like it was just always on the radio.

Ana Ortiz (16:03)

See. Exactly. So to your credit, I think that has a lot to do with it too. Before we take a break, is there anything else? Thoughts about Post Malone Posties? Is the bar name any other thoughts of the whole night?

Mark Delicato (16:16)

I just think he's still like a genuinely nice person. Like everything he does, I feel he does it from like a good place in his heart. Even like picking up the tab. Like that is something that like no other artist really does. Even just throwing a free concert on and playing just a bunch of songs that he finds joy in. But also I think people enjoy going to watch that stuff. I just think him as a person is kind of like his brand. Like him just being a good dude and just having fun. Like he'll be in town going to random places for no reason and then just saying hi and hanging out with people. I just heard he's like still the most genuine dude. As more famous as he's gotten. I feel like that's kind of been the constant. So that just makes me like, all right, I picked the right guy to be a fan of.

Ana Ortiz (17:01)

It's really true. I don't. I. And all the conversations I've ever had with anybody in the industry or fans in general, there's not been a single person who's had a bad interaction with Post Malone. So that's a huge credit to his character.

Mark Delicato (17:13)

Right?

Ana Ortiz (17:14)

I mean, that's people who work with him, people who just know him as a fan, all just across the board. And our interaction with him was awesome.

Mark Delicato (17:21)

Yeah.

Ana Ortiz (17:21)

Like everything that I've ever known about him is he's just a really nice guy and he's super chill. Like genuinely as chill as you think. Maybe add that times 10. Yeah, he's just so chill. That would be the best description of him. So you did choose a good fan.

Mark Delicato (17:35)

Yeah.

Ana Ortiz (17:35)

Pose Malone and Spider Man. Two good choices. All right, we're going to take a quick break. Right back. Hey sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance bro tell you how to manage your money again? Welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards. If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem. A year from now when you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan, starting with your local credit union. Shopping around online looking for some Online lenders tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets. I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt and it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand.

Mark Delicato (18:26)

It's nice and dark in the sand.

Ana Ortiz (18:28)

Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact it may get even worse. For more judgment free money advice, listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. What's up everybody?

Mark Delicato (18:41)

This is Snax from the Trap Nerds podcast and we're bringing you the horror.

Ana Ortiz (18:45)

Every week all October long.

Mark Delicato (18:47)

Kicking off this month I'll be bringing you all my greatest fear inducing horror games from Resident Evil to Silent Hill. Me and Tony bringing Backfire team on Left 4 Dead 2 and we just gonna be going over some of the greats.

Ana Ortiz (18:58)

Also in October we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movies and figure out why black people always gotta die first.

Mark Delicato (19:06)

The umbral reliquary invites any and all fool brave enough to peruse its many curiosities. But take heed. All sales are final. Weekly horror side quests written and narrated by yours truly with a full episode read and a commentary special. And we will cap it off with.

Ana Ortiz (19:26)

Horror Movie Battle Royale. Jason versus Freddy, Michael Myers versus the Alien Thing with the Little Tongue Monster.

Mark Delicato (19:32)

October.

Ana Ortiz (19:32)

We're doing it Halloween style. Listen to the Trap Nurse podcast from the Black Effect podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Decoding Women's Health. I'm Dr. Elizabeth Poynter, Chair of Women's Health and Gynecology at the Atria Health Institute in New York City. On this show, I'll be talking to.

Mark Delicato (19:52)

Top researchers and top clinicians, asking them.

Ana Ortiz (19:55)

Your burning questions and bringing that information.

Mark Delicato (19:57)

About women's health and midlife directly to you.

Ana Ortiz (20:00)

100% of women go through menopause. It can be such a struggle for.

Mark Delicato (20:06)

Our quality of life.

Ana Ortiz (20:07)

But even if it's natural, why should we suffer through it? The types of symptoms that people talk about is forgetting everything. I never used to forget things. They're concerned that one, they have dementia and the other one is do I have adhd? There is unprecedented promise with regard to cannabis and cannabinoids to sleep better, to have less pain, to have better mood, and also to have better day to day life. Listen to Decoding Women's Health with Dr. Elizabeth Poynter on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you're listening now. Think back to the early 2000s. You're flipping through TV channels and then you hear this.

Mark Delicato (20:48)

I was rooting for you. We were all rooting for you.

Ana Ortiz (20:50)

How dare you learn something from this? But looking back 20 years later, that iconic show so many of us love is horrifying.

Mark Delicato (21:02)

Robyn, first of all, is too old.

Ana Ortiz (21:05)

To be starting model. She's huge. I talked to cast, crew and producers who were there for some of the show's most shocking moments. If you were so rooting for her, why don't you help her with never before heard interviews? The Curse of America's Next Top Model examines why this show was so popular and where it all went wrong. We basically sold our souls and they got rich. Listen to the Curse of America's Next Top model on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential.

Mark Delicato (21:48)

I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers. Or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it, if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to just say, like. Like, go blank yourself. Right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just, like, walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort.

Ana Ortiz (22:33)

Listen to the psychology podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So we've made it to fall. Hard to believe it's already October. What is on your agenda? Or any big plans for the last few months of the year? Anything you're hoping to accomplish? What's going on in your life right now?

Mark Delicato (22:54)

I think I am at a place now where I just want to live in the moment a little bit more. And I think fall kind of inspires that for me because it feels like things start to slow down a little bit. And I think as soon as, like, the weather changes and I'm able just to not feel like I have to rush to do things all the time, I'm like, all right, this is kind of the time to reevaluate what I'm doing in life here.

Ana Ortiz (23:18)

Yeah, fall very much gives those vibes. It's like everybody starts winding down. The holidays are coming.

Mark Delicato (23:23)

I always feel like fall is when life starts for me. Like, that is when I always just associate. Like, this is when the best part of being a human comes out.

Ana Ortiz (23:33)

Interesting. Okay, give me more.

Mark Delicato (23:35)

Because when I guess I associate summer and, like, the end of summer with, like, going back to school, and I always hated that. But whenever fall hit, I was like, okay, here's where the fun part comes. Here's where you're starting to hang out with, like, friends and family, going, doing things, doing fun things on the weekend. You have the holidays, obviously, coming up, and that just kind of feels like the most special part of the year. So that is where I feel like the most life happens is right there at the end. People also start just being a little bit happier as we get closer to the end of the year and closer to the holidays, where I just feel like that's the moment I Want to exist out of the entire year. That feels like the mo. That feels like the time I wait for the entire year. It's weird because at the beginning of the year, I'm always like, oh, life hasn't started yet. Like, we're still, like, in the first month. We're still in February. We're still in March. Like, life hasn't started yet. Oh, it's summer. It's not. And. But once the fall hits, I'm like, okay, now it's time to live life.

Ana Ortiz (24:31)

So you're saying for, like, three months.

Mark Delicato (24:32)

Of the year, you're living life. I don't register the year until now.

Ana Ortiz (24:36)

Hey, I don't necessarily disagree with you, because for me, this is my favorite time of year. I love fall, and I love the winter. I love the holidays. It's genuinely my favorite time of year. So I don't disagree. But it is funny that you're saying yours doesn't start until here. So, like, for nine, ten months, those.

Mark Delicato (24:51)

First, like, three months are nothing, because I feel like everybody's still figuring things out. We live in, like, New Year's for, like, a month and a half into February, and then nobody likes spring, Summer, everything gets all, like, thrown all over the place. It's not until right now where I feel like we're all together, living life at the same time, doing the same things. Pretty much. Once we all start watching football and all those things come back, that is when I feel life starts.

Ana Ortiz (25:17)

I love the perspective. I love it. And again, don't necessarily disagree with you. It is. It's my favorite time of the year. There's a lot happening. But it is funny because I see it more as my slowdown. This is where I start to, like, really try and focus on stuff that I want to do. Relax, stop, like, socialize. Because summer and spring just bring out all the people wanting to do all the things because it's nice outside. People get excited, especially coming off of winter. They really want to be outside. They really want to be doing activities. And so then it feels like fall hits, and I'm like, okay, I can breathe. Nobody wants to do anything. I just want to hang out, and I just want to, like, paint my pumpkins or carve pumpkins and do the fall activities and then do all the Christmas activities. Yes, Thanksgiving activities, too. But, like, listen, November 1st hits. Your girl is Mariah Carey all the way until February, basically. So I do get it. I do get the perspective. That's funny. And it's. I mean, coming up, too, like, this weekend as this podcast is technically airing. My boyfriend planned a birthday trip for me that is us doing absolutely nothing. Going to a place where I can relax and genuinely turn my brain.

Mark Delicato (26:23)

When's the last time you've done that? A trip where you don't do anything? Cause you always go all out.

Ana Ortiz (26:27)

I know. I don't think I've done this in years. Maybe over a decade. Honestly.

Mark Delicato (26:31)

How is that for you, not having an itinerary? Because I know you love, like, blocking out days, restaurants you're going to eat at, asking for recommendations. Now I feel like you're taking a me type trip. So how does that affect you?

Ana Ortiz (26:42)

It feels a little weird because he still hasn't told me the full scope of where we're going, what we're doing, but he was like, there's no schedule. We don't have a schedule. We, you know, bring all your comfy clothes. You're gonna love it, I promise. And I'm like. I'm sitting there and my skin's kind of itching a little bit where I'm like, but. But there's no schedule. There's no, like, plan. And like, I get anxious of, like, okay, do I need to do that? And he's like, just stop. We're gonna go. Like, you need time for you. You always have things to do and stuff to do for, you know, whether it's the animals or other people. Like, for once, I need you to just turn off your brain and come and relax and enjoy some time. Just us and hanging out. And so I'm. My brain's finally starting to wrap around it. At first it was like a. Ah, what. What. What are you doing? And now it's like, we're. I'm probably at like 80% right now. So hopefully by the time we actually leave for that trip, It'll be at 100.

Mark Delicato (27:35)

That's good, though. 80 is good.

Ana Ortiz (27:37)

Yeah. Yeah. I am excited for it. This is where. This is the era of life that I'm in right now. We've kind of talked about a little bit where I'm going through the whole detox cleanse and really trying to, like, just get healthy and focus on. On me, which is not something I'm very good at a lot of. And this is the perfect time for that to be happening. Cause it's only reiterating what I need to do to take care of myself. It's just hard. This is something I'm not used to at all.

Mark Delicato (28:06)

Yeah. I think this is also that I've kind of entered that too. Of, like, taking a little bit more time just to take care of myself in general. Of, like, not just, like, physically, but also mentally. And it feels weird to do.

Ana Ortiz (28:18)

Yeah. It feels very selfish and it feels very not productive. Does that make sense?

Mark Delicato (28:26)

Yes, I know exactly what you mean.

Ana Ortiz (28:27)

Yeah. And I know that's neither one of those things, but that's exactly how I feel where I'm like, I could be doing X, Y and Z right now. And also, well, you know, whether it's my dog needs me or, well, my friends need me to be here, I need to show up here. I need to do this for you. And he's like, no, nobody. You have nothing to do for 36 hours. There is zero plans. So we'll see how my brain actually does in it. We're going to bring games and stuff, which I think will help my brain have an activity.

Mark Delicato (28:56)

You're describing, like, my perfect trip right now that is like, we take games. We don't do anything. There's no plans. If we encounter something that we're like, oh, we should go do that. You just kind of throw it in the mix. But you don't go with anything. You don't look at recommendations. Because for me, like, I know some people. Like, you love having people, like, tell you things to go check out. I am the opposite of that.

Ana Ortiz (29:19)

You're like, don't tell me.

Mark Delicato (29:20)

I don't want to know anything. I want to discover things on my own. I want to just walk down the street and be like, here's a coffee shop. Let's see if it's any good. I don't care if it's the best in the city or not. I don't care if their coffee is terrible. I just want to discover a new city by going into places and finding out on my own firsthand. Because I think for me, like, a trip is supposed to be, like, an escape. And if I have all these things strategically planned and then everything just goes according to plan, it doesn't feel. It just feels like, okay, I went here, I did the things, and it just felt like an assignment. I like to go free range chicken and just go discover things on my own. That's also why I love going and, like, running in a new city and seeing things along the way. I think that's the best way to take in a city. And then if I see something cool, I go back and I investigate.

Ana Ortiz (30:05)

Well, what happens if you're not a runner, Mike? Because I don't run.

Mark Delicato (30:07)

Just drive around a city or walk around.

Ana Ortiz (30:10)

I'm glad that you referred to it as a free range chicken. That will be me this weekend. I'll get a taste of what you do, and I. I think it will be so fun and I think I will love it. But it is. It's definitely out of character for me, but it's a character I need to enter into.

Mark Delicato (30:23)

I think there can be both. Like, I think you take some trips where you. There are some, I feel like destinations that require an itinerary. If you're going to Disney World, you kind of need an itinerary if you're going to.

Ana Ortiz (30:35)

Yeah, if you free range chicken.

Mark Delicato (30:36)

That one, you ain't see it. Now, even if you're going to, like, a big city, sometimes you kind of need to know, like, okay, if we want to go to an event, you kind of have to lay that out. But if you're going on a trip that's just relaxed mode. Don't. Don't have the plan.

Ana Ortiz (30:50)

Are you good at relaxing? Because this is where my problem is, is I'm not good at relaxing.

Mark Delicato (30:54)

I'm terrible at relaxing.

Ana Ortiz (30:56)

But see, you can do this when you go to a city. This is why I need things, because relaxing to me and, you know, credit to all the people who have told me a million times that I am not good at that for a reason. Like, there's stuff happening to my body, and I feel like that there's something happening of why I can't relax, but I physically can't. If I sit still for 15 minutes, Mike, I'm like, okay, well, I got 80 different things I need to do.

Mark Delicato (31:17)

I think there are different ways to relax. I am not good at relaxing in the traditional sense of if I go to a beach and just lay there and, like, read a book, I can't do that. I can't focus.

Ana Ortiz (31:28)

I hate that. I hate that.

Mark Delicato (31:29)

I feel like I'm just looking at the clock the whole time. Like, how much time has passed? Have we. Can we go back somewhere else yet? Now. But I think I've learned how to relax in other ways. Or I'm doing something, but I'm also not thinking about the things that are keeping me from relaxing.

Ana Ortiz (31:46)

Okay.

Mark Delicato (31:46)

Like when we're in New York, I found that trip relaxing even though we were walking around the entire time, because that just. That walking allowed my brain to relax because I could only focus on where we're going right now, where we're gonna go eat, what we're gonna go see. And it's just all like one constant motion pushing you along and I feel like that's like almost relaxing in motion where you're doing something, but you're completely out of your normal routine.

Ana Ortiz (32:14)

Giving your brain an activity, but not an activity of the normal sense.

Mark Delicato (32:19)

Yes. It's kind of like if somebody relaxes by sitting on the couch, but they need something to do with their hands, so they start knitting. I feel like if you're knitting, you're still, like, creating something, but you're kind of relaxing. It's like a. It's a relaxing activity.

Ana Ortiz (32:31)

Maybe I need to take up knitting.

Mark Delicato (32:32)

Maybe you do.

Ana Ortiz (32:33)

Where could be one?

Mark Delicato (32:34)

Because I think it's something with your brain where you need to be doing something, but you could still be doing something that's kind of relaxing. Adult coloring books. I've kind of gotten into those a little bit where.

Ana Ortiz (32:46)

Like that.

Mark Delicato (32:46)

Where you're still doing something, but it's something relaxing and not too physically demanding.

Ana Ortiz (32:51)

Okay.

Mark Delicato (32:52)

I think there's a difference. Like, if you, like, for me, like, running is kind of a form relaxation, but it's not really a form relaxation.

Ana Ortiz (32:57)

But your body's very stressed.

Mark Delicato (32:58)

Yeah, but you're very stressed during that. But if you find something that's like a low energy activity that's still using your brain, it's relaxing. Because I think the way I was taught, like, what relaxing is, it's like doing nothing, sitting at the beach, hanging out in the pool. I don't find those relaxing. But if I'm actually doing something, I feel like that's relaxing to me.

Ana Ortiz (33:18)

Okay. You may have got me on a new era. I might be knitting and coloring moving forward because I need that. I have to be in this little. We make fun of it and call it my little hot pocket. I have to be in a sauna mat for 25 minutes a day. And when I first started doing this, I was not well. It would hit like 10 minutes. And I kept. Because I'd yell at Alexa, I'm like, start a timer. And I'd every two minutes be like, alexa, how much time left? Alexa, how much time left? And she's like, girlfriend, you got a whole lot left, so I'm gonna need you to chill out. And now I'm at least at the point where I make it before I ask her. I make it to about 21 minutes. So we are improving slow scale. So now I'm gonna look up knitting and coloring to see if I can also continue the direction I'm headed in. So thank you for that. All right, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be back with some fun random questions. What's up everybody?

Mark Delicato (34:09)

This is Snax from the Trap Nerds Podcast and we're bringing you the Horror.

Ana Ortiz (34:13)

Every week all October long.

Mark Delicato (34:15)

Kicking off this month, I'll be bringing you all my greatest fear inducing horror games from Resident Evil Evil to Solid Hill. Me and Tony bringing backfireteam on Left 4 Dead 2 and we just gonna be going over some of the greats.

Ana Ortiz (34:26)

Also in October we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movies and figure out why black people always gotta die first.

Mark Delicato (34:34)

The Umbral Reliquary invites any and all fooling brave enough to peruse its many curiosities. But take heed, all sales are final. Weekly horror side quests written and narrated by yours truly with a full episode read and a commentary special. And we will cap it off with Horror Movie Battle Royale Jason vs. Freddy Michael Myers vs.

Ana Ortiz (34:58)

The Alien Thing with the Little Tongue Monster.

Mark Delicato (35:00)

October.

Ana Ortiz (35:00)

We're doing it Halloween style. Listen to the Traverse Podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Hey sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance bro tell you how to manage your money again? Welcome to Brand Ambition. This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards. If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem. A year from now when you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan starting with your local credit union. Shopping around online looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets. I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt and it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand.

Mark Delicato (35:55)

It's nice and dark in the sand.

Ana Ortiz (35:57)

Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact, it may get even worse. For more judgment free money advice, listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Decoding Women's Health. I'm Dr. Elizabeth Poynter, Chair of Women's Health and Gynecology at the Atria Health Institute in New York City. On this show I'll be talking to.

Mark Delicato (36:20)

Top researchers and top clinicians asking them.

Ana Ortiz (36:23)

Your burning questions and bringing that information.

Mark Delicato (36:26)

About women's health and midlife directly to you.

Ana Ortiz (36:29)

100% of women go through menopause. It can be such a struggle for.

Mark Delicato (36:34)

Our quality of life. But even if it's natural, why should.

Ana Ortiz (36:37)

We suffer through it? The types of symptoms that people talk about is forgetting everything. I never used to forget things. They're concerned that one, they have dementia and the other one is do I have adhd? There is unprecedented promise with regard to cannabis and cannabinoids to sleep better, to have less pain, to have better mood, and also to have better day to day life. Listen to Decoding Women's Health with Dr. Elizabeth Poynter on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you're listening. Think back to the early 2000s. You're flipping through TV channels and then you hear this.

Mark Delicato (37:16)

I was rooting for you. We were all rooting for you.

Ana Ortiz (37:19)

How dare you learn something from this. But looking back 20 years later, that iconic show so many of us love is horrifying.

Mark Delicato (37:30)

Robyn, first of all, is too old.

Ana Ortiz (37:33)

To be starting model. She's huge. I talked to cast, crew and producers who were there for some of the show's most shocking moments. If you were so rooting for her, why don't you help her with never before heard interviews? The Curse of America's Next Top Model examines why this show was so popular and where it all went wrong. We basically sold our souls and they got rich. Listen to the Curse of America's Next Top model on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential.

Mark Delicato (38:17)

I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face when you think about emotion regulation. Like, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effort, hurtful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it, if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to just say like, like go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving Meditating, you know, takes effort.

Ana Ortiz (39:01)

Listen to the psychology podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, so I just have some kind of random things that have happened in my life lately. Some are movie related.

Mark Delicato (39:14)

Okay.

Ana Ortiz (39:14)

And some are just all over the place. So good soundtrack that you remember. I'll officially review this movie if we do Tuesday reviews day next week. But I watched K Pop Demon Hunters and Mikey, the best animated movie I've seen in a long time.

Mark Delicato (39:29)

It is. Yeah, I would agree.

Ana Ortiz (39:32)

It's so good.

Mark Delicato (39:33)

Just the actual art in that movie is fantastic.

Ana Ortiz (39:37)

Yes. Like, and I don't know why I've never been an anime person. I know you like anime. I've never been big into anime stuff, so I don't know really what I anticipated, but I. After about 10 minutes, I was like, oh, yeah, I'm in.

Mark Delicato (39:49)

That movie is infectious. You start watching it and you're like, where's this go? Oh, I immediately love this.

Ana Ortiz (39:54)

Exactly. And, you know, I think part of it was because these soundtrack is so good.

Mark Delicato (39:58)

It is the only soundtrack that I've actively seeked out this year so far. Same. Usually there's like one movie a year that makes me go like, I gotta go check out that soundtrack. This has been the one.

Ana Ortiz (40:08)

Okay. So this is similar to how I felt when I think it was Spider man across the Spider Verse. That soundtrack intrigued me. It's interesting that both of them are animated. Those are the only two that I really can remember in just recent years in general. But this one, K Pop Demon Hunters, I was like, holy crap. Even my boyfriend, who I was like, I don't know if he's gonna like this one.

Mark Delicato (40:30)

He.

Ana Ortiz (40:30)

I found out he used to watch a lot of anime, so he was obsessed. He loved it. And both of us looked at each other, was like, this is one of the best movies we've seen recently. And the soundtrack is one of the best we've heard.

Mark Delicato (40:41)

Yeah, it's really good.

Ana Ortiz (40:42)

So good. Okay, so maybe. And maybe that's your answer. I was gonna ask you what's like, the last good movie soundtrack that you remember?

Mark Delicato (40:49)

That is the first one from this year, man. My other one's really niche. But it's like one that I. Last year, it became one of my most listened to albums of like the entire year.

Ana Ortiz (41:00)

Okay.

Mark Delicato (41:00)

It was a smaller independent movie called I Saw the TV Glow.

Ana Ortiz (41:04)

Okay.

Mark Delicato (41:04)

And all of the music was like sad, depressing indie music. And I listened to that soundtrack probably for two weeks straight after seeing that Movie. And I didn't even love the movie, but I just love the soundtrack. And it was a lot of the artists that I like that it was an album that I would just put on, listen to you from start to finish.

Ana Ortiz (41:24)

Did it even make you think about the movie or were you just kind of at that point listening to songs?

Mark Delicato (41:28)

No, because I. I honestly love the soundtrack more than I did the movie. So much so that I was like, I got to go back and watch that movie to see if I feel different about it. And it was weird seeing all the songs again because I was like, oh, I don't even remember remember them in the movie. But now that I listen to them so much, I have all these weird ass memories associated with them that I was like, oh, man, I like the soundtrack way more. I wouldn't even recommend the movie, to be honest.

Ana Ortiz (41:52)

That's funny. But the soundtrack was that good. It's also crazy how much I think they call it. A score can impact something I think slightly different.

Mark Delicato (42:01)

If we're getting into terms. Score is just the instrumentation.

Ana Ortiz (42:05)

Got it. Okay.

Mark Delicato (42:06)

Yes. Score is like all like, if somebody scores a movie, it's just like the instrumentation underneath it. The soundtrack is like actual song.

Ana Ortiz (42:14)

Okay, so it is actually called the soundtrack. I really thought they were all scores, but that's also because I think the awards show, they always did they say soundtrack or do they say score?

Mark Delicato (42:24)

I think there are words for different ones.

Ana Ortiz (42:26)

Okay.

Mark Delicato (42:27)

Yeah, because they do like best original song and then they'll do like best score.

Ana Ortiz (42:32)

Okay.

Mark Delicato (42:32)

And the score is like instrumental. Instrumental.

Ana Ortiz (42:35)

Why don't they just say instrumental?

Mark Delicato (42:38)

So because it's like a score. You get an orchestra and you make the score to a movie.

Ana Ortiz (42:43)

Oh, yeah, that's true. But. Okay, well, a good one. The other one I thought of, I mean, K pop takes it, which also I did see Huntrics, which is the K pop group that was obviously the demon start part is not true, but like the Huntrix group is what inspired this. Or they were. They based it off of them. Do you know the details?

Mark Delicato (43:02)

I thought they created that group just for the movie. Unless I'm wrong, because I thought they were. They're not like all real artists. They're like musicians. And they kind of all just went into a studio and created this band, at least from some of the behind the scenes I saw from it.

Ana Ortiz (43:16)

Okay, well, I'm trusting you because I've only seen them perform and then I did a little bit of deep dive, but I didn't see a lot they.

Mark Delicato (43:21)

Could like Be a real band now after the success of this. Because this song and album has been number one forever.

Ana Ortiz (43:27)

So they performed, I think it was on Jimmy Kimmel. They performed their big song from the movie Golden.

Mark Delicato (43:33)

Yeah.

Ana Ortiz (43:33)

And I was like, oh, this is like real life. And I started freaking out. I was like, what am I doing? What is happening? I actually watched a performance on a late night show because of that movie. And it was them doing it in real life and they had like the movie playing in the background. But it was cool.

Mark Delicato (43:47)

Yeah.

Ana Ortiz (43:48)

So you need to watch the performance since you, like. Now that I know you liked the movie. But that's what I really suggest. I haven't heard of anybody who's watched it that didn't like it.

Mark Delicato (43:57)

Yeah, I think for some people it's just one of those. If you think you're not going to be into an animated movie, let alone like a straight up anime movie, you're like, oh, I'm not going to like that. But if you give it a chance, I think you'll like it.

Ana Ortiz (44:08)

That I'm telling you. That soundtrack had me hooked. I think the last time I was truly like, in really engaged in a movie because the soundtrack might have been like High School Musical.

Mark Delicato (44:17)

Yeah. I mean, soundtracks have kind of not been a thing for a while. Probably CD sales influence that a lot because it used to be like, put out the movie, put out the cd, and it makes a lot of money too. And now it's just kind of like you make a playlist and that really doesn't carry the same weight to it.

Ana Ortiz (44:32)

Yeah.

Mark Delicato (44:32)

And I also feel like when it comes to like actually curating a soundtrack to a movie, the only other movies I think that really stand out are like, the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. Yeah. Because James Gunn is like really particular about, like the songs he uses in his movies.

Ana Ortiz (44:47)

Very much so.

Mark Delicato (44:48)

And a lot of those, like, big moments in those movies are associated with the song. I think outside of probably K Pop, that's the franchise that I associate having great soundtracks.

Ana Ortiz (44:59)

Well. And it's funny if I really truly think about it with soundtracks and movies. The movies that I really love had really great soundtracks. Guardians of the Galaxy, but like also Batman, like the. The Dark Knight trilogy. Did I say that right?

Mark Delicato (45:14)

Trilogy, Trilogy.

Ana Ortiz (45:15)

Thank you. I knew that sounded weird. That one had really great music attached to it. And then you think like, Avengers, Endgame, really, superhero movies in general typically have pretty good soundtracks. Everything that I like, really remember, they've had good soundtracks. So maybe that's the key to a good movie, you also have to have good music. Yeah, I don't know. This is a theory.

Mark Delicato (45:38)

I mean, I think it adds something that you don't realize it in the moment. If a movie has a great score, you might not realize how much it affects you. Because if you watch a scene that has a great score without that, you're gonna notice that it's not gonna make you feel the same way, because that music underneath it can really impact how you interpret a scene. So I think sometimes a great score goes unnoticed because without realizing it's doing his job of conveying this emotion to you, and you're not realizing it in the moment. But if you took that away, you'd be like, well, this scene feels different now. This movie's not as good because the music is in here. I think the last time that happened for me was seeing Moana 2, where the music wasn't as good in that one because Lin Manuel Miranda wasn't a part of it. Because that was initially supposed to be a Disney series, so it didn't really have the same budget behind it. And then it turned into a movie, and I was like, something's just missing about these songs. They don't have that same, like, creativity behind it. They're not as punchy. They're not as memorable because he wasn't doing the music. So that really affected my enjoyment of that second movie.

Ana Ortiz (46:41)

See, okay, I got a solid theory here. This is going strong. And speaking of movies, so I saw Kane Brown, and this is music related to Kane Brown, Kaitlyn Brown. They're turning their song thank God, into a lifetime Christmas movie. Did you see this news?

Mark Delicato (46:56)

I did see this.

Ana Ortiz (46:57)

So I'm now curious. Like, maybe we go the route of, like, if you think of a song that would be a really good movie, maybe it's a holiday movie. It can be any movie. Or, like, if you were to, like, take a piece of your life and turn it into a movie, what piece of your life would you take? You can go either direction.

Mark Delicato (47:15)

I have. I've never shared this with anybody except maybe my wife and one other person, but I've written kind of a spec script on a song.

Ana Ortiz (47:25)

Okay.

Mark Delicato (47:26)

Because this is exciting. This is a. Again, like, the thing about me is I'm into. Really. I'm into things that are nobody else's favorites. I have very niche, like, artists that I love that are, like, at the top of my list on what I listen to that nobody else would. Nobody else would know. And it's just, like. It's something I've had Ever since, like, I was, like, younger. Like, I always was just into things that nobody else liked. So it's really hard for me to relate to people. But there's this song called you'd Miss My Heart that was originally by another artist, but Phoebe Bridgers covered it and kind of made it more popular. But it's a song that's, like, one of my favorites. And I wrote, like, a script around, like, if that song was turned into, like, a movie or, like a. Probably, like, a short film. But the thing is, the movie, the song itself is, like, really depressing. It is about a home intruder going into a house and killing somebody. Wow. But I was like. I listened to that song, and it doesn't. If you just listen to it, you would just think, this is kind of a sad song that's really catchy. But all the lyrics behind it are like, oh, man, this is, like a really dark, twisted story going on here. I'm like, this is a horror movie.

Ana Ortiz (48:33)

So you wrote kind of a horror movie script?

Mark Delicato (48:35)

Exactly. I took, like, all the lyrics from the song, which is about. I kind of interpreted. It's a guy who got broken up with his girlfriend is now in a relationship with a new guy. So the ex boyfriend goes to the house and then sees both of them together and kills the new boyfriend and then takes the ex girlfriend hostage with him. He gets caught by police, gets gunned down, or not gets gunned down, but gets arrested, gets thrown into prison and then tries to escape prison and then gets shot. And that's the whole story. It's a very tragic story.

Ana Ortiz (49:12)

Wow. Yeah. That's a lot of death.

Mark Delicato (49:14)

It's a lot of death. It's. It's somebody getting stabbed while they're trying to call 91 1. And that song is so visual to me that I. I saw all the scenes, and I was. Because there's one line in particular where he talks about, like, after he just killed this person, he looks out and it's like, a beautiful day. And I just thought that's like a weird juxtaposition of, like, he just create. He just committed this crazy crime. But it's like a beautiful, bright and sunny fall day. Going back to the fall theme here. And I was like, that should be a horror movie. Because if you think about horror movies, they always take place at night in, like, a dark, weird house. You don't see that stuff happening in the middle of the day. So I was like, what if there's a movie where it's a horror movie, but everything surrounding it Is, like, bright and colorful and beautiful.

Ana Ortiz (49:59)

That's a really good concept, Mike. I feel like you need to write this, like, fully write it.

Mark Delicato (50:04)

Yeah, I probably. I have, like, the entire thing, like, written out. Like, I probably did this maybe a couple months ago.

Ana Ortiz (50:12)

Okay.

Mark Delicato (50:12)

But it's something that. It's kind of when I don't have. Either when I don't have work that I need to get done right now, or I feel like I need to, like, get some creative energy out. I'll just go work on it. And I don't know what it's going to be. I don't even. I even looked up, like, legally, can you make a song about a movie? There's. There's kind of some gray areas there.

Ana Ortiz (50:30)

Well, I would imagine as long as you could. And I don't know who originally wrote it, but as long as you can get whoever. The legal. Legality of the songwriters.

Mark Delicato (50:40)

Because I've never really heard that. I did some research into this because I've never really seen somebody make a movie about a song or, like, a TV show on the song because oftentimes there's not enough story in a song. I mean, it's probably, like, some country songs, now that I think about it. But it's not a thing where there's like, an exact, like, legality behind it. But again, it's like their intellectual property, and if I took, like, their. The exact same things that they wrote, it's almost like you kind of got to give them writing credit. Much like if you covered a song that ended up sounding like another song. Kind of got to give them writing credit.

Ana Ortiz (51:13)

Yeah. Which you could totally do. I feel like this is. This is a thing. This is your next season of Life is Mike the scriptwriter.

Mark Delicato (51:21)

It's fun to do, and it's just. It's just something that I've, like, always wanted to do. And I just feel like whenever I have inspiration, I get like, I gotta get this all down now. And sometimes it just feels good getting it out of me, and it feels like, okay, it's kind of like blowing off steam. But up to this point, I just haven't done anything else with it. Not that I've, like, been scared to do anything with it. I just don't know what it is. Yeah. I don't know if I'm like, do I want to film this? Do I want to just try to pitch this to somebody? Is. Is it anything? Or is it just the creative thing?

Ana Ortiz (51:54)

I think it can be whatever you want to be, and you'll Figure it out. You know what I mean? You've. You started writing it, and you didn't have any purpose for it then, but you knew you wanted to write it. And now as you finish it and start putting pretty bows on it, it's like, okay, well, what do I want with it now? Was this just for me? Was it something that I create? Was it something somebody else creates? But the cool thing is you did it, so you now have the option to do whatever you want with it.

Mark Delicato (52:18)

Yeah.

Ana Ortiz (52:19)

And that's cool.

Mark Delicato (52:20)

Dang. Okay.

Ana Ortiz (52:21)

I'm glad I asked that question. That was a good one.

Mark Delicato (52:23)

I didn't think about that. I didn't think about, like, the fact that I had already done this before. But if anybody wants to go listen to a really sad and depressing song, go listen to you Miss my heart, and then visualize it in your head and see if you can see what I'm talking about.

Ana Ortiz (52:38)

Well, and horror movie, because horror is like your favorite genre, so that's so cool. Okay, well, that's a perfect place for us to end on. So, Mike, thanks for joining. Thanks for sharing the thing that nobody else knew up until this moment besides maybe your wife and another person. So I appreciate it. And tell the people where they can hear you, find you all that.

Mark Delicato (52:55)

You can check out my podcast, Movie Mike's Movie podcast, wherever you get podcasts. I just interviewed Freddy Krueger again.

Ana Ortiz (53:02)

Wait, the actual Freddie actor?

Mark Delicato (53:04)

The actor who played Freddy Krueger, who is known really, like, it's interesting that when it comes to all of, like, the pillars in horror, like your Michael Myers, your Chucky's, there's really only one person who's associated with one of those iconic horror characters. And Robert England played Freddy from the beginning, and he is somebody that you see and you're like, oh, that's Freddy Krueger. All the other ones, it's just somebody else.

Ana Ortiz (53:25)

That's true.

Mark Delicato (53:26)

Okay.

Ana Ortiz (53:27)

Freddy Krueger. I don't know that I have ever actually watched Freddy Krueger, but I do know about him because of pop culture. So true statement. Well, go check all of that out and you can also subscribe to The Bobby Boneshow YouTube page. Obby Boneshow. Thanks again, Mike.

Mark Delicato (53:40)

Thanks. That's the best bits of the week with Morgan. Thanks for listening. Be sure to check out the other two parts this weekend. Go follow the show on all platforms Bobby Bones show. And follow ebgirlmorgan to submit your listener questions for next week's episode.

Ana Ortiz (53:59)

It's Anna Ortiz and I'm Mark and Delicato. You might know us as Hilda and.

Mark Delicato (54:04)

Justin from Ugly Betty.

Ana Ortiz (54:07)

Welcome to our new podcast, Viva Betty. We're re watching the series from start to finish and getting into all the fashions, the drama drama and the behind the scenes moments that you've never heard before.

Mark Delicato (54:19)

But you were still bartending.

Ana Ortiz (54:21)

I didn't know that. The bar back is like, is that you and I turn around and it's a commercial for Betty.

Mark Delicato (54:26)

And I was like, I gotta go.

Ana Ortiz (54:29)

I quit. Listen to Viva Betty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything and everybody let me know.

Mark Delicato (54:41)

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Ana Ortiz (54:45)

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Mark Delicato (55:16)

On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us, I was joined by Valisha Butterfield, media founder, political strategist and tech powerhouse for a powerful conversation on storytelling impact and the intersections of culture and leadership. I am a free black woman. From the Obama White House to Google to the Grammys, Valisha's journey is a masterclass in shifting culture and using your voice to spark change. Listen to Culture Raises us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Ana Ortiz (55:44)

I'm Bridget Armstrong, host of the new podcast the Curse of America's Next Top Model. I've been investigating the real story behind that iconic show. I ended up having anorexia issues, bulimia issues. By talking to the models, the producers, and the people who profited from it all, we basically sold our soul and they got rich. If you were so rooting for her and saw her drowning, why don't you help her? Listen to the Curse of America's Next Top model on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do we really need another podcast with a condescending finance bro trying to tell us how to spend our own money?

Mark Delicato (56:22)

No, thank you.

Ana Ortiz (56:23)

Instead, check out Brown Ambition. Each week I your host, Mandy Money gives you real talk, real advice with a heavy dose of I feel you said this, like on Fridays, when I take your questions for the baqa. Whether you're trying to invest for your future, navigate a toxic workplace, I got you. Listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an iHeart podcast.