Rollercoasters & Aging, A Chocolate Town in PA, & A Wanted Man

Summary

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The Bobby Bones Show – "Rollercoasters & Aging, A Chocolate Town in PA, & A Wanted Man"

Date: October 18, 2025
Host: Morgan with Guest Eddie
Podcast: The Bobby Bones Show (Premiere Networks)

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Overview

This episode of The Bobby Bones Show replay delves into the joys and challenges of family life, nostalgia around school lunches, the quirky magic of Hershey, Pennsylvania (aka Chocolate Town), the changing relationship with thrill rides as you age, and the tale of a "wanted man" who appeared in Morgan’s yard. It’s a lively, relatable conversation, loaded with humor and heart, as Morgan and Eddie swap stories about food, parenting, facing fears, seeking peace, and unexpected drama in suburbia.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Weekends as a Parent: Relaxation vs. Chaos

• [02:53–06:46]
  • Eddie shares his weekend anticipation, saying Fridays are his finish line and weekends mean less structure: "On weekends, I can just relax and go with the day. I can just be a dad versus being a dad and employee." (B, 03:57)
  • Even so, parental obligations persist—sports, meals, unending activity, and never-ending costs ("That is $60 for us"... "If she eats, it's 75 bucks", B, 06:21).
  • Eddie finds joy in cooking family meals (especially grilling on Saturdays), but weeknights are stressful for cooking.

2. Food, Lunchables, and School Lunch Memories

• [06:53–13:17]
  • Morgan and Eddie nostalgically discuss school lunches—favorites were square pizza, cinnamon rolls, and the addition of sweet treats inspired by Lunchables.
  • Eddie reflects, "After dinner, I need something sweet... It's Lunchables’ fault!" (B, 08:43)
  • Morgan recalls being a vegetarian from age eight, her dad packing PB&J, Lunchables, or cheese-centric dinners, and the long-term affection for handwritten lunch notes from parents.
  • Both discuss the importance of small, loving gestures: "Those little lunch notes were my favorite part of the day." (A, 11:15)

3. Family Trips and Hershey, Pennsylvania – Chocolate Wonderland

• [13:17–16:53], [34:16–41:14]
  • Eddie recounts taking the whole family to Hershey, PA—a rare full-family trip.
  • Family challenges emerge: sibling squabbles, lack of empathy, selfishness on display (B, 14:34).
  • Morgan and Eddie commiserate about the difficulty of keeping everyone happy on trips: "If we're going on a scary ride, the little one has to just try to understand..." (B, 14:43)
  • Hershey Park is described as a “candy-themed” paradise: streetlamps are Hershey’s Kisses, everything smells like chocolate, hotel soaps and shampoos are chocolate-scented, and every meal comes with chocolate treats: "You check in the hotel and they give you a Hershey's bar." (B, 36:19)
  • Eddie provides a mini-history: Hershey was built around the factory, a generational community for workers’ families, soon to be depicted in a new film about founder Milton Hershey – "He's the real life Willy Wonka." (A, 38:12)

4. Aging and Rollercoasters: Facing Fears & Physical Limits

• [16:53–34:16], [41:44–46:12]
  • Eddie admits he might be done with rollercoasters: "Roller coasters, I don't know if I can do them anymore." (B, 16:47)
  • He describes new anxieties—concerns about safety, breakdowns, and a fear-driven, overactive imagination: "The fear of dying on a rollercoaster kicks in... the days of me putting my hands up are over." (B, 21:46)
  • Morgan relates, sharing her own visceral fear (crying during rides), and they both reflect on how being a parent or growing up changes your calculation of risk and enjoyment.
  • They dissect different coasters, especially at Disney and Hershey, the uniqueness of the Jolly Rancher Remix (forwards and backwards!): "Dude, I wanted to die. Get me off this thing now." (B, 35:34)
  • Eddie recounts his son’s transition from terror to excitement, a mini-arc of conquering fear (B, 32:19).

5. Escaping to the Mountains: The Dream of Slowing Down

• [46:07–56:06]
  • Morgan tells of her birthday trip to a cabin in the Georgia mountains, how peace and slowness appeal to both hosts.
  • They ponder the trade-offs of mountain life—serenity versus social opportunities and the challenge for planners/control-freaks to let go: "Life slows down... When life around you doesn't feel chaotic, you don't feel chaotic." (A, 49:12)
  • Both daydream about abandoning the grind—Morgan in a mountain or Italian village, Eddie on a beach—lamenting that only major life changes seem to force such escapes: "Do you ever wish it would just blow up so you could do that?" (B, 54:35)
  • They recognize the tension between responsibility and the urge to break away.

6. The "Wanted Man" Incident:

• [56:23–64:03]
  • Morgan shares a bizarre drama: a desperate man darts into her yard, begs for help, claims danger and asks to use her boyfriend’s phone.
  • Tension spikes as he flees through neighbors’ yards and is revealed (via 911) to be wanted for an unknown crime: "The operator asks, ‘Was this guy wearing a camo hat?’—she's like, ‘He's wanted for something that happened on the street over.’" (A, 58:18)
  • The couple debates, runs towards/away from possible danger; Morgan’s boyfriend is praised for calm patience and clear thinking in chaos.
  • They reflect on neighborhood drama, emergency readiness, and the weirdness of unexpected danger.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Parenting and Weekends:
  "On weekends, I can just be a dad versus being a dad and employee." (B, 03:57)

• On School Lunch Nostalgia:
  "Those little lunch notes were my favorite part of the day." (A, 11:15)

• On Eating Habits:
  "After dinner, I need something sweet... It's Lunchables’ fault!" (B, 08:43)

• On Family Trips:
  "We don’t want to break up... we're going to go experience this park together." (B, 14:43)

• On Aging and Rollercoaster Anxiety:
  "The fear of dying on a rollercoaster kicks in... The days of me putting my hands up are over." (B, 21:46)
  "I don't like roller coasters... my body is not doing well." (A, 25:28)

• On Chocolate Town, PA:
  "You check in the hotel and they give you Hershey's bar... All the street names are named after Hershey bars." (B, 36:19)
  "He's the real life Willy Wonka." (A, 38:12)

• On Mountains vs. Fast-Paced Life:
  "Life slows down... When life around you doesn't feel chaotic, you don't feel chaotic." (A, 49:12)
  "Do you ever wish it would just blow up so you could do that?... Why not just do what we really want versus wait for something to force us?” (B, 54:35, 54:47)

• On the Wanted Man Story:
  "Call 911, somebody needs help! ...and then the guy just runs off... She [the operator] was like, ‘He's wanted for something that happened on the street over.’" (A, 56:58–58:18)
  "He [boyfriend] was calm, cool, collected... very much like, ‘I want to help you, but also, like... let me figure out what's going on, how I can help you.’" (A, 63:30)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:04] – Eddie reflects on what weekends mean since becoming a parent.
• [08:11] – Eddie's senior year lunch: pizza, Hawaiian punch, chocolate bar.
• [11:06] – Lunchbox notes from parents—"the best part of my day."
• [13:34] – Hershey, PA family trip setup.
• [14:43] – Parent struggle: keeping everyone unified and happy at the amusement park.
• [21:46] – Eddie expresses his new rollercoaster anxieties.
• [25:19] – Morgan’s rollercoaster “trauma moment”—crying after a big drop.
• [34:16] – Hershey Park’s ultra-chocolate theming explained.
• [38:12] – Willy Wonka reference + Hershey history.
• [46:12] – Morgan's mountain birthday getaway story.
• [54:35] – "Do you ever wish it would just blow up so you could do that?"
• [56:23] – The "Wanted Man" suburban drama begins.
• [63:30] – Boyfriend’s calm in chaos during the yard incident.

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Tone & Takeaways

Banter-driven, honest, and full of affection for family, nostalgia, and food, the episode brings both warmth and humor. The hosts are unfiltered about their stresses, fears, and aspirations—whether it's overcoming rollercoaster phobia, handling bratty kids, or daydreaming about mountain life and escaping modern pressures. The "Wanted Man" segment injects some true-crime energy, rounding out this slice-of-life episode with real-world suspense.

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For listeners who missed it:
You'll laugh about Lunchables and $75 takeout nights, ponder the magic of a town built on chocolate, nod along at new midlife worries (rollercoaster-related and otherwise), and have your heartstrings tugged by the wish—rarely voiced but widely felt—for life to sometimes just... slow down.

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[A]

Welcome to the weekend, everybody. I know we're all happy that it's Saturday and Eddie is joining me. What's up, Eddie?

[B]

What's up? I'm so happy. Oh, dude, I love the weekend. You know, I live for the weekend.

[A]

You don't live for each day. You just live for the weekend.

[B]

No, every day is like four more days. Three more days, baby. And then when the weekend comes around, I'm so freaking excited.

[A]

But do you count down to Friday, because Friday there's still work, or do you count down to Saturday?

[B]

Now, Friday's the finish line. Like, I can see the finish line. So I love Fridays, even though most.

[A]

Of Friday is still taken up by work.

[B]

I don't even mind working on Fridays because of the. I know that it's gonna end at a certain time and we're gonna be able to just, like, relax. I can even stay up late. I love staying up late. So the idea of staying up late on a Friday, even though almost every Saturday we have a game or something to go to at 8 in the morning, so that'll hurt a little bit because I still have to wake up somewhat early. But the fact that I can just sleep, go to sleep whenever I want on Friday, I love that feeling.

[A]

But as a parent, do you actually get weekends because you guys have so much going on?

[B]

No, no. But I can just relax and go with the day.

[A]

You can just be a dad versus being a dad and employee.

[B]

Yes, yes. All that stuff. Like, yeah, yeah. Weekdays are like, packed of. The first half of the day is work, work, work, work, work. And then it's like, dad, dad, dad, dad, dad. Where weekends is like, what do you guys want for dinner? Like, that's. That's the first thing in the morning. Like, on Saturday, I'd be like, first, do you guys want breakfast? Like, yeah. And I like, if they want like, eggs and bacon or whatever on the griddle, like, we'll do that. But I'm always like, what do you guys want for dinner? You want me to, like, grill something? You want to do ribs? You want to do, like, and that. They get excited for that. And they know there's football all day. And yes, we probably have games and stuff, but at the end of the day, we're just going to grill by the. In the backyard with, like, a little campfire, and it's going to be awesome.

[A]

And that's Your hobby is cooking. You love to cook.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

So is that why you also love Saturday because you know that you get to make a fun meal?

[B]

Yeah. And there's no pressure because, like, if you're going to. If like, my wife's like, hey, will you do burgers tonight? On Wednesday? I'm just like, f. I have to do that. I have to do burgers. And then like, so what if, like, work runs a little late? And then like, I'm rushing back from a practice and gosh, it's already like 6:30 and I gotta get burgers ready. It's a pain.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But Saturdays are never like that.

[A]

You know, it's really hard to cook for myself. I cannot imagine having four children's mouths to feed and be like, dang. I, I not only because there'll be sometimes, I don't know if you ever did this for the. The day will have been so busy. I'm like, it's fine. I don't, I don't need to eat or I'll just have a snack.

[B]

I don't need to eat.

[A]

You know, like, you know what I mean? Like, it gets pushed to the back burner. Or I'll like, grab a snack. I'm like, let me just grab something out of the fridge. It's like thrown together. But I feel like when you have kids, especially when they're younger, maybe as they get older, they become snack. You know what? But when they're younger, you always have to feed them.

[B]

We have to feed them and we have to be consistent on the feeding. Especially for our adopted kids. They're very. There's some kind of trauma there. And not to be serious about it, but like, there's. We have to do take that serious.

[A]

Security.

[B]

Yeah. And if it's not consistent, there's a. Then we start getting some weird reactions.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But they're not to say that there aren't days where we're like, you know what? We're doing cereal for dinner. Or like, we're just gonna do breakfast. You want like, waffles, put them in the toaster, you know, and that's what we're doing for dinner. There are definitely days like that. But Morgan, you have to understand that, like, if the day's long and we're like, hey, you know what? Let's just get McDonald's or Chick Fil A for dinner. That is $60 for us.

[A]

Yeah, minimum.

[B]

That's it. And most of the time my wife's like, it's okay. I have salad at home. So that's just five people. And it comes out to, like, 60. If she eats, it's 75 bucks for us to, like, screw it. Just order a pizza. Screw it. Just. Just get chick fil A. It's expensive, so a lot of times I don't do the screw it.

[A]

So it's either expensive or cost time.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

There's no in between.

[B]

There's no in between. But I'm totally down with the sandwiches. I'm totally down the. Just put waffles in the.

[A]

Do you pack kids lunches? Do you guys do that for your kids?

[B]

My wife does. It depends. The kids are all different. So, like, some love lunches because they get to make their own sandwich. We have one of our boys, like, loves waking up before everyone else. He's the early riser. He loves making his overnight oats the day before. He loves making his own sandwich, packing his own meal. Like, that's just what he loves. He doesn't like the school food.

[A]

Yeah, that's fair.

[B]

And then there are two other ones that just like, I don't want a sandwich. Like, I want the lasagna they have at school today or the pizza they have at school today. It's just funny the way they're all different.

[A]

Well, it's also funny because school lunches, I remember that you would find ones that you really liked. You kind of try them all, and then there'd be ones that are like, I definitely want to bring my lunch today. Or others were like, no, no, no. I want this pizza. Don't bring me.

[B]

What do you remember from your school lunches? Like, what was your favorite?

[A]

I remember the square pizzas. I love square pizzas.

[B]

Those were the best.

[A]

But then they also started adding this round pizza that was definitely a frozen pizza, but for some reason, it tasted so good. But there was no vegetarian one, so I'd always pick off the pepperonis. Cause that's the only way that I.

[B]

Could e make sure and get every single one. Because ours, I remember, were little square pepperonis. Do you remember that?

[A]

Yeah, they were square pepperonis. You should have seen me. It took me, like, 10 minutes every time. But I loved that pizza.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

It was so good.

[B]

I know exactly what you're talking about. And it was the. I looked forward to that pizza.

[A]

Exactly. Me too.

[B]

I think, Morgan, my senior year of high school, I ate pizza. That pizza, a Hawaiian punch. How am I still alive? That pizza, Hawaiian punch, and a Hershey's bar. Or a twixt. It was either. It was either Hershey's almond or like Twix that I would buy every single day. And that was my lunch.

[A]

You know, we can blame Lunchables for that because Lunchables are the ones who introduce adding a piece of candy into their lunches.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

So we started to believe that lunches should include candy.

[B]

Man.

[A]

If we've ever thought about that.

[B]

That still gets me today. Like if I eat dinner, I'm just like, all right, done with dinner. I need something sweet.

[A]

Same. Yep, I'm the exact same. I'm like, it's not finished yet.

[B]

Yeah, it's.

[A]

I think it's lunchable as well. Honestly. So funny if I really think about it. But I mean, most of the time my parents, like, bless them, they packed me lunches because I was vegetarian at 8, so most of the meals I couldn't eat. The only ever one I'd not eat for, but I couldn't eat the chili, which is so funny. But in Kansas they'd always serve chili with cinnamon rolls. And I love school. Yeah, that was the combination.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Very big thing in Kansas. And I still, if I make chili, I'll make cinnamon rolls. What do you do?

[B]

Chili where you got the beans. Ob.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then what's your protein?

[A]

I mean, beans are protein. So if you do a bunch of different beans, you got the protein.

[B]

I'm so stupid.

[A]

Legumes.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I guess I was just thinking you need the ground beef or whatever.

[A]

Yeah. Well, you get added protein if you got all of that. But they obviously at school, lunch did not have a vegetarian chili. So I would skip lunch just to get the cinnamon roll. That was all I'd eat on those days.

[B]

And it was good.

[A]

Yeah, the cinnamon roll was so good. But besides that. Yeah, I always got PB and JS and Lunchables. My parents were trying to find things to feed me at that age.

[B]

Who was the lunch packer most of the time?

[A]

It was my dad.

[B]

Your dad was the lunch packer?

[A]

Uh huh. He was also the same one. But it was funny by the time. Like he would always make meals and it's. And I look back on this now, you think like how you're still alive. I made it so hard on my parents because I didn't eat meat. So my five meals consisted of Mac and cheese, grilled cheese, cheese, quesadilla, cheese pizza, anything with cheese. Sometimes my dad would literally give me macaroni and cheese with mashed potatoes and bread with butter. Like I know that was the food that I for like dinners when I come home.

[B]

So how did you heat it up. Did you use a microwave at. At school?

[A]

Yeah. No, those were dinners.

[B]

Oh, those are.

[A]

Lunch. Was always either lunchables or a PB&J.

[B]

Would you do a grilled cheese?

[A]

No, I never. None of. I never got the delicacies. It was always those they had to save for dinner because that's all they could feed me.

[B]

Yeah. So.

[A]

But he was. He would always make those. And sometimes he'd be like, okay, pantry. Go. Go find something in the pantry. I'm done.

[B]

Yeah, there are days. That was one of his days. So. So when he. My mom would pack my lunch. Not. Not in high school, but, like, elementary. Middle school. Obviously in high school, I would do my own. But. And I had, like, a little cooler.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Like, it was like a little ice chest cooler or whatever. But my mom would write little notes.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

On napkins. Would your dad do that?

[A]

My. My mom would. So it's funny. Like, my dad would pack, but my mom would always write little notes. That was like, their.

[B]

Weren't those so freaking cool to find?

[A]

They were the best part of my day.

[B]

And we acted like, oh, cool, whatever. No big deal. But, like, my mom would write just like, have a nice day. I hope, like, everything's good today. Whatever. Like, I loved it.

[A]

Yep. Those are my favorite, too. They used to make these little cards that were specifically for lunch notes. And I want to say they had, like, a little character on them, and you, like, pop them open and there would be the, like, the writing.

[B]

That's funny.

[A]

Do you know what I'm talking about?

[B]

I've never seen that.

[A]

I just really remember these, like, little lunch cards. And they would always. I got so excited. They had, like, a little critter on them, and then her note would be in them, and it would make me so happy. But yeah, like, the little lunch notes for my favorite.

[B]

I know little things that.

[A]

Do you do that for your kids whenever they make lunches?

[B]

I never make their lunch because I'm always at work. But I think my wife does little notes for them. I think she does.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I've never. We never talked about it. This is really the first time I even thought about that.

[A]

You should start sticking them in because they're also at the age now where they're going to remember.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I don't think my parents started doing that until maybe middle school, high school age.

[B]

Yeah, you're right. I start. I'm thinking middle school is kind of when I remember the note, maybe even two, thinking, like, this is embarrassing. Like, hide it a Little bit. You know, like my mom's writing me a note, they're making fun of me.

[A]

But now we're in our 30s, 40s and we treasure that.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Isn't that wild?

[B]

Yeah. And that's funny you say that because these are conversations I have with my kids a lot. Like when they're embarrassed about things. Like, guys, you're going to miss these moments. And I get it. You're embarrassed, you're embarrassing. You feel like it's like we're embarrassing you or whatever. But. But like you're going to really miss this time. Like you're going to go back and look at this time and be like, oh, that's cool. When my parents did that, whatever. But other kids, you're not going to remember that stuff. Like, they're just not going to.

[A]

Most of it. They won't. But there's going to be those things that they'll. When they're having a random conversation.

[B]

Yep. Like this.

[A]

And they're going to look back and say, oh my gosh, they did that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's such a cool feeling to know that you were loved in such a big way.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You know, I don't know. I feel like that's what makes you.

[B]

Take it for granted when you're a kid. Like you don't even think about. They're kind of annoying. Like parents. Like, oh, they're always on me. But like they all. We were their life.

[A]

Which makes it so you know that now especially.

[B]

I feel it all the time. Yes.

[A]

How is things going with the kids? Do you have. Give me an update for each kid?

[B]

You know, like it's just, it's just always up, ups and downs, like always. I think this, what we're dealing with recently is we went to Hershey, Pennsylvania.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Which I want to hear about, which was awesome. And I took. We took them to the amusement park there. It's called Hershey Park.

[A]

Wait, you took the whole fam.

[B]

The whole family came on the trip.

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

Which never happens.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So much fun. And so we went to the park and I kind of like both my wife and I both just kind of like lost it because everyone was just being selfish. We have a 17 year old, a 12 year old, an 11 year old and a 6 year old. And I understand that they all want to do different things, but we are there as a family and if we are doing a little ride for the little boys, everyone else needs to just deal with it and come with us on the little ride. If we're going on a scary ride. The little one has to just kind of understand that we're doing the scary ride and that's just how it's going to be because we don't want to break up. And like, all right, see you guys. I'm going with the big boys, you go with the little boys, and we'll see you guys at six o'. Clock. Like, we weren't going to do that. We're going to go experience this park together.

[A]

Yeah, you're going as a family.

[B]

And everyone can ride every ride. Even the little one could ride the scary one if he wants to. If he doesn't, I'll stay back with him. No big deal. And wait.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so everyone just started complaining. Like, just stupid. Oh, why does he want to go on this ride? Oh, why is he such a baby? Like, he's. Don't be a baby. Come on this ride. And like, we're like, you know what? We just were like, so upset. We're like, you guys are ruining this trip. And everyone was just being so bratty, like, so bratty. And like, I'm hungry, I'm not hungry. And like, well, whoever's not hungry, don't eat. And whoever's hungry, eat. And it was just kind of like we'd hit a moment that kind of bled into the week really, because like, we got back and I was like, stuff needs to change. Like, we cannot be acting like this. And so that's just kind of what we've been dealing with. Just everyone not being so self centered and think about everyone else a little more, you know, and even when it comes to like, chores around the house, people are like, I didn't do that, so why do I need to pick that up? Like, and so this week we're like, we're not doing that anymore. We're done, we're done. We're done with this whole. Like, no, he did that, so he has to pick that up. We're actually all gonna do it. Like, everyone's gonna do it. If you see something that shouldn't be there, you're gonna pick it up even though you didn't put it there.

[A]

Do you feel like that's just part of them aging, though? And they starting to get their own personalities and understanding of who they are and what they believe.

[B]

Yeah. But they just bully each other whenever, like, say, like in the roller coaster, like, oh, he's so scared, doesn't want to ride this roller coaster. And it's just like, where's the empathy? Like, understand that he's scared of the roller coaster.

[A]

Well. And you know what? I will tell you, that still happens when you get older. I got bullied and riding roller coasters by my older sister when I went to Disney three years ago.

[B]

I know. I. Did you do it, though?

[A]

Yeah. And I cried. Okay.

[B]

The whole time.

[A]

Yeah. My whole body was. I was literally, like, trembling. I don't like roller coasters.

[B]

Let's take a break from talking about the parenting. Let's talk about roller coasters for a little bit.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because I want to talk about this.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Tell me about.

[B]

Do we have time? Do you need a break?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

We got like, me like a punchline and then we'll go to a break and we can keep talking about it.

[B]

Okay. All right. Like right now?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. I'll give you a punchline. Roller coasters, I don't know if I can do them anymore. I don't know if I can do roller coasters anymore.

[A]

May have to do with Eddie getting older. So we are going to take a quick break and we're going to get into this.

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[A]

All right, Eddie, why can you do roller coasters?

[B]

It's. It's a mix of a lot of things. Like, my body. Yes. Like, just the jerking back and forth. My neck hurts. Like, all that stuff. I. It's. I don't know. My body's just getting a little too old for roller coasters. But you know what? I will do it until, like, I can't move my neck anymore. Like, I love roller coasters, but what's happening lately is the. My. My brain takes over, and the fear of, like, dying on the roller coaster kicks in. I know that it's not going to fall off the rail, but every time, like, when we were at Hershey Park, I would look. We would get in the carts or whatever, and I would look at the rail and be like, how do we stay on this? Like, I can't understand the engineering of how, like, we don't just fly upwards whenever we go straight down. And then before you know it, we're on it. We're going, and it's flying. And I'm like, I don't understand this. Like, what if. And then I look at the roller coaster on, like, across the way, and they're stuck as it's going up. Like, they've been there for, like, five minutes. Oh, my gosh. What if we get stuck? So my mind just is. I don't know, man. My mind just goes haywire on roller coasters now, thinking that this thing is not gonna. My buckle's not gonna stay intact. Or like, whatever was locked around my chest is now gonna come loose and I'm going to die. Like, the days of me putting my hands up Morgan are over.

[A]

You didn't put your hands up a single time.

[B]

No. And I used to love putting my hands up. My hands. My knuckles are white because I'm squeezing every bar so hard.

[A]

Okay, so let's break this down further. When's the last time before this that you had ridden a roller coaster?

[B]

Disney World. Disneyland. Disneyland. In. In California, which was how many years?

[A]

Summer this past summer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you were fine.

[B]

No, same.

[A]

Okay, same. When's the last time you rode a roller coaster and didn't have this thought?

[B]

I would say 10 years ago.

[A]

I think it's you becoming a dad.

[B]

I'm worried about the family.

[A]

I think as a parent, correct me completely if I'm wrong, but as a parent, you, you will take over worst case scenarios because you have to plan for that. You have to know how to handle any scenario. Right. That's your job.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I'm. Yeah, yeah. I'm responsible for them.

[A]

So maybe in general things have become more, a little bit more worst case scenario where I have to think about what could possibly happen versus just living in this moment.

[B]

But I understand that.

[A]

I don't know that's a good thing.

[B]

I think you're right. You're right. That's probably the root of it. But I have to understand that that's not going to. None of that's going to happen.

[A]

No. But I'm never going to say that because, like things have happened on roller coasters.

[B]

I know, I know. And I did say that while we were at Hershey Park, I was like, guys, one of the boys didn't want it. He's like, I'm a little scared of this one dad. And I'm just like, hey, what's the worst that can happen? And I started thinking like, well, actually see, we could die.

[A]

Granted, that's very like unicorn moments that that happened. But yeah, I can't be like, yeah, no, that's never going to happen. But as with all adrenaline things, there's always a chance something goes wrong, but the likelihood is slim. Yeah. So I, but I get it. Like, I get the fear based thing. Like I, I mean, you cry. Oh, I've been afraid of roller coasters since I was a kid.

[B]

Why are you crying?

[A]

I don't like the stomach drop feeling. It's not the roller coaster itself that's the worst. I hate that feeling of just like your whole body, you can do nothing about it. You're just suspended in air. That makes me literally want to like crawl into a hole and never come out. And so when those happen, and my sister bullied me into riding a 20 foot roller coaster that had a 20 foot drop and we're getting to this drop the whole time I'm in 20 foot.

[B]

That doesn't sound like a lot.

[A]

It doesn't. But you know what?

[B]

Because that's like one foot. So it's 20 of my feet. 200.

[A]

I don't know, they say it's a 20 foot, like, just straight down drop.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So whatever that means. But they. We get this whole ride. I'm into anticipating this drop, right? And then I am sitting. So I'm sitting there, my body's shaking, and I'm, like, ready for it. And we get to the drop and it's happening and I'm screaming and tears are rolling down my face. And we get down and my mom, like, touches me and I'm just, like, vibrating. Like, my body is not doing well. And I was like, okay, Taylor, I did it. Please leave me alone. I don't want to ride any more roller coasters. I'm done. But she still would give me a hard time for it. And I still do. Like, it's a good thing because she encourages me to face my fear. But there's moments where I'm like, leave me alone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, it's a good balance. Yeah, you need that. You need that push to say, face it.

[B]

Yeah. But no one needs a roller coaster. Like, we don't need a roller coaster.

[A]

But it's good to face your fears.

[B]

I understand that.

[A]

Like, tackle them and be like, I did it.

[B]

I understand that. But, like, some people just don't like roller coasters. And we shouldn't pressure anyone that doesn't like roller coasters to ride a roller coaster. You know what was interesting was my brother. We met my brother out there and. Cause he lives in Pennsylvania. It was just an hour and a half away.

[A]

I love this. You guys had a whole family weekend.

[B]

Yeah, it was just. It just worked out that way, you know? Like, they said I could invite my family if I wanted to. And I, of course, so brought them. And then I was like, well, my brother lives an hour hour away. Like, let me call him, see if he wants to come meet us there. And they like, yeah, they gave him a ticket, too. He showed up. And so I was legitimately thinking, like, wait a minute, he just had a stroke. Like, can he ride rides?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You know, he had a stroke a year over a year ago. And so, you know, I called my sister, who's a nurse, and it's like, hey, just stupid question, but, like, can my brother, like, ride rides? And she was like, no, like, he can't. He can do little rides, but he can't do roller coasters. And it's funny. It's like, okay. And that's before he got there. And then when he got there, I was like, hey, bro, you want to like. Like, what are you thinking? He's like, no, dude. Like, I can't. There's no way. I think it's just a blood pressure thing.

[A]

Well, it's fun. It's funny that you mentioned that, because. So my boyfriend, we ended up talking about this on the podcast. It's his story. He had a stroke when he was 13.

[B]

He did?

[A]

Mm. And he had to have two brain surgeries.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Got, like, a piece of his brain removed. We went to Disney World, and he wrote everything. And I was like, I just don't feel like this is. He loves roller coasters.

[B]

Maybe. Maybe it's a time thing, you know, where, like, it happened so long ago.

[A]

That he was told he wasn't supposed to.

[B]

Dude.

[A]

But he loves them. And he's like, I. You know, I'm fine. Like, he's a miracle in a. In a lot of ways. He was never supposed to walk, talk, anything again, and he did. And I'm like, okay, well, are we, like, pushing the boundaries here by, like, doing things we shouldn't? And he ended up being fine, but every time he rode one, like, he didn't realize it, but my heart was just like, okay, is it over yet?

[B]

You were having my feeling too.

[A]

Like, literally, like, I was having more anxiety about that than me riding roller coasters. Yeah, because you just don't know, because it is. It is not. You're not supposed to. It's a known thing. Even me with Vertigo, I'm not supposed to be riding them.

[B]

Did you ever feel anything with Vertigo?

[A]

Mm.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

No. I think I just got lucky. But there were moments where I was like, okay, is that about to happen? I took a lot of Dramamine. I was. I was drugged up on Dramamine.

[B]

That helps the Vertigo.

[A]

It just helps the dizziness, which I think helps my, like, anxiety with the Vertigo. But, yeah, so we were two people who should not have been on majority of those rides.

[B]

What is your ideal roller coaster? Like, just best one that you would enjoy. Like, you don't like the upside downs, I'm assuming.

[A]

Oh, no, no, no, no.

[B]

You don't like the big drops.

[A]

No, the only one that I really love is Guardians of the Galaxy at Disney World.

[B]

That one's legit.

[A]

Did you write that one?

[B]

Yeah, but that one just goes straight down. But that's. We.

[A]

It's inside, so that's also a thing, which is interesting.

[B]

Where the Guardians of Galaxy just falls.

[A]

Oh, you're thinking of the Disneyland one. There's two separate ones.

[B]

Okay, hold on. Let me think. I thought I went to the Disney World one.

[A]

Disney World 1. Is a coaster inside.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And you're like, rotating around planets.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, I remember that.

[A]

That's the one I like.

[B]

You like, because you don't know what you're doing. Yeah.

[A]

Because it's almost like a mind game, you know? Like, half of your fears always come. It's a mind.

[B]

Oh, it is. That's definitely my fear.

[A]

It's like. Exactly. So when you're in the dark, you can't see what's happening.

[B]

Okay, I do remember that one. Yeah. Yeah. Ye.

[A]

And it's enjoyable because I love Marvel, I love Guardians. So that one I can do, like, no fear. I'm excited about it, but I don't know what it actually looks like. And I think that's majority of why I can do that.

[B]

Yeah, that is fun. When you really. The worst is when you're climbing and you can see the whole world from up there. And then you're like, we're about to drop, literally. And it's not going to feel good.

[A]

Let me tell you. So when we did go to Universal, because we went to the new Epic this last trip.

[B]

Oh, this was Universal.

[A]

Well, so we've done Universal, and we were at Disney.

[B]

Got it. Okay.

[A]

So we did both. But that Guardians 1 is at Disney World.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

But at Epic, they have a coaster which is the one that somebody recently passed on, which is super sad. This is the one we rode. Mind you, I didn't realize what this coaster really was. I knew it was a coaster, but I thought it was, like, a tame one. I'd be fine. So we rope drop. You know what rope drop is where you, like, run as soon as the park opens. You run to a ride.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You're trying to beat the line and get in line.

[B]

So you got there before the park opened and waited at the gate.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And then as soon as it opened, you ran to the right.

[A]

We went to this one. Cause this is supposed to be a major one.

[B]

And you knew that the line was gonna be super long if you waited.

[A]

Exactly. So we're there, we get there, and I'm like. We get strapped in. And I looked at my boyfriend. I was like, this is a rollercoaster. I went off in this route. I didn't agree in this. And he was like, morgan, you're the one who took us here. I was like, ha. I didn't put two and two together until right now. And like, before I knew it, we were off. And the whole time, I just had tears running down my face, like, shaking on. And we, like, Got back into my boyfri. Are you okay? I was like, no, I'm really not. And he was like, okay, let's. Let's get you to safety for a little bit. And I needed a break for like 20 minutes.

[B]

That's fun. That's how you started your day too.

[A]

Yes. I was so dumb. So dumb.

[B]

So see, when we went to Disney, we went to Disneyland over the summer. I took. We took our six year old. He was like, he had no idea about roller coasters. And he was just like, let's go, baby, let's go. And he got on Incredible Incredicoaster, which is like the Incredibles. And like, I think I've shown you that. Have I showed you that video?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so, like, it scarred him for life Now. Now, like, that's his impression of a roller coaster and he doesn't want that again. And so the whole time we were at, at Hershey park, he's just like, is this fast as that other one? Because I don't want to do it. Somehow we talked him into going on another roller coaster. Another. A big boy roller coaster. And he was like, I don't. Okay, okay, I'll do it. He sits down, he gets strapped in, and he's like, I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I want to get out. I'm like, bud, you're going to be okay. He's like, no, dad, I'm serious. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do it. He starts crying. He starts crying and then we take off and he goes, this is awesome. And it was amazing because it went from, like, so scared to like, yes. And as soon as it was over, he was like, I want to do it again.

[A]

I'm like, so cool.

[B]

It's so cool. Because I thought we scarred him for life.

[A]

Well. And he had panic as I was starting.

[B]

I know he was crying in tears, but then like a shifted to like, okay, this is so cool.

[A]

Yeah, it's so crazy how that happens. And it's also hard with coasters because I feel like you have to really walk this fine line of when you first let them do it, like, are they ready for this or no?

[B]

And our guideline was like, they're saying, he's tall enough to do it, so let's do it.

[A]

Well, you would assume, but it's so tough. Everybody's different.

[B]

I know everyone's different, you know, but.

[A]

Everybody has those, like, traumatizing experiences. And it's like, it either goes one way or the other.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And my whole family, besides me and my dad, really, they're coaster nuts.

[B]

Like, your dad doesn't like roller coasters?

[A]

No, him and I both got, like, the dizziness, nausea, which also, like, adds.

[B]

Another layer to that part. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So, like, him and I both just don't feel good when we ride coasters on top of me also having the fear. But my mom, sister, one of my other sisters, they, like, go nuts. Like, they'll do the crazy. They want to do the crazy. Drops the crazy, like, Jurassic coaster, which is the most insane one that I've been around.

[B]

That was, at that point, universal.

[A]

Yeah. That's like a monster. It goes back and turns and ups and downs.

[B]

I was gonna ask you about backwards. What do you think about backwards? That might be my worst. That might be my least favorite.

[A]

It caused me so much anxiety. And there's one that we rode that you literally shoot up because it was, like, one of the new ones Again, I'm trying. I'm trying to.

[B]

You're trying. Hey, good for you. You're trying new things.

[A]

It was so tough facing your fears. This coaster goes up, it ends. It's like a horror coaster.

[B]

I hate that. And it goes all the way to the end.

[A]

Go backwards.

[B]

So. So we. There was one called the Jolly Rancher Remix at Hershey Park.

[A]

Wait, was everything candy cane?

[B]

Everything? Oh, my gosh, Morgan, you would love this place. Okay. Everything was candy. Everything was a Twizzler. Twizzler something. The Hershey something bar. Like, the Jolly Rancher remix. The. The Reese's. Whatever. Like, everything was candy themed.

[A]

I didn't even know this place. Like, I knew about Hershey School.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I didn't realize there was this whole amusement park, all this stuff around it in Hershey, Pennsylvania.

[B]

And the whole town is. It's just based around chocolate. Like, the original chocolate factory is there, which is now just headquarters, like, corporate headquarters. They don't really make chocolate at the original factory, but it's still there. And it looks like the original factory. And all the street lamps are made of Hershey kisses. Like, everything. All the street names are named after Hershey bar. It's just the coolest place ever. But let me tell you about the Jolly Rancher remix.

[A]

Jolly Rancher Remix.

[B]

So the Jolly Rancher remix freaked me out. So you go, like. You start off like you said. It backs you up. Backs you up.

[A]

It loads you.

[B]

It loads you all the way to the highest top ever and to where it stops, and you get to see you see the whole park from up there, and it drops you forward and you go all the way down. You hit a loop. Dee loop into another loop. Dee loop. And then you go to the end of the other side. And then the other side stops and it loads you and you're gonna about to go backwards and redo it. Remix. And then once it lets you go, it's the same thing that you just did, but backwards. Dude, I wanted to die. I'm like, get me off of this thing now.

[A]

And you used to be a big roller coaster.

[B]

Loved it, loved it.

[A]

But now you're just.

[B]

I don't know, man. It's just like I. I still enjoy. Like, I'm still like, that was pretty cool. But the trauma that my body just took in my mind, like, it's not worth it anymore.

[A]

You're like, I don't really know what's happening to me. It's funny. Like, you. It's almost like you switch places with your son.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, you loved him. He hated him. Now he loves him, and you're like, I hate him.

[B]

I mean, that's just like, maybe life.

[A]

Maybe you just transferred it to him. Like, you know what? I've had enough. You can take this.

[B]

Maybe. But, yeah, it was interesting.

[A]

So, favorite parts about Hershey, besides, I.

[B]

Guess, the chocolate, like, it's. It's chocolate there. Everywhere you go, there's chocolate. Like the hotel we stayed at, and you walk in, it smells like chocolate.

[A]

That's cool.

[B]

The. The shampoo is. Smells like chocolate. The soap is chocolate scented. Like everything like that. You check in the hotel and they give you Hershey's bar. Like, like it's just part of what they are. Like, if you go to a restaurant, you know how they give you a mint at the. Like when you. When you pay? No. You get Hershey kisses.

[A]

That's so funny.

[B]

Every restaurant you go to has something chocolate covered. Like.

[A]

So the entire town of Hershey, Pennsylvania is like this.

[B]

Yeah, it's not that big. The town's really not that big.

[A]

Is this a town that they created?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so is it in and like.

[B]

Outside of a bigger town outside of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania?

[A]

Okay, that's like 20 minutes made up. Because it's like. It's like Disney World. His own little area.

[B]

It's like. It's like the way you think about it is like. So they decided to make a chocolate factory there. If you're going to work at the chocolate factory, you're going to live in this town. So everyone that Lived in that town, worked at the factory. So. And then you start looking at, like, all right, so the factory drives this town. So then the factory, the chocolate company, makes a golf course, and that's where you guys can play golf. And then they created the amusement park back then for employees, for them to do stuff on the weekends. So that's what they would do. And the whole town is just built on people that worked for the chocolate company.

[A]

That's cool. It's kind of a generational community.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When did Hershey, I guess, start?

[B]

I don't know. I mean, the school was 19. 19, I believe.

[A]

Let me see. When was Hershey created? Let's see. Or no, 1894.

[B]

Okay. So 1894, when it was founded. And it just learned so much about, like, just that they said. What I heard. Ooh. What I heard was they're making a movie. They've already shot the movie on Milton Hershey.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And kind of how this empire started.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's supposed to be out, like, I don't know, in a few years, but that's cool. I'm excited about that.

[A]

He's the real life Willy Wonka.

[B]

He's the real life Willy Wonka.

[A]

I mean, that's what this sounds like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's no different than, like, Walt Disney. You think of Walt Disney and what he created.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Like, he was this very, just special human being. That's Milton Hershey.

[B]

Correct. And just the brand Hershey just kind of. It screams your. It screams childhood. Like a Hershey's bar, a Hershey's Kiss. Like, all that s'. Mores. Like, you know, you gotta have a Hershey's bar and s'. Mores. All that stuff is just like. It's so. I don't know. When I got there, I'm like, this is my place. I love that.

[A]

You gotta have your family there, too, just for that whole experience. And your brother. Not just like your family, but also your brother.

[B]

The whole family. Yeah. And what's funny, too, is I didn't think they were. So it's around Halloween time. So they had a bunch of, like, Halloween decorations, and they go really big on Halloween. I'm thinking, like, well, that's cool. I mean, pretty sure that's normal. But I started thinking, like, that's exactly why, like, they're so big on Halloween because this is a big time of year for them.

[A]

Yeah. Candy.

[B]

Like candy. This is a huge time of year for them. So, like, they treat Halloween like Christmas there.

[A]

Yeah. It probably is their Christmas.

[B]

It's Their Christmas, you know?

[A]

Cause you associate chocolate with Christmas, too. But Halloween is candy.

[B]

No, man, it's all candy. Candy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then. Then the races turns into a pumpkin, like, all of that.

[A]

So would you go back 100? Okay.

[B]

It's. It's an interesting place because it's not, like, on the way to anywhere.

[A]

Yeah. You kind of have to go somewhere to get there.

[B]

Yeah. And, like, who goes to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania? Like, I. I don't. Not very often. Yeah.

[A]

Unless you're specifically going to go for Hershey.

[B]

Yes. And everything around there's somewhat close. I think Philadelphia is maybe like two and a half hours away.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So, like, it's. It's kind of in the middle of. Of different, bigger cities. So, like, I can understand people that live there going there for the weekend, you know, and doing that kind of stuff. But I don't see a lot of people traveling across the country to go there, which, I don't know, I highly recommend. Yeah.

[A]

But there's a lot of people that love an amusement park, and I didn't even know this existed.

[B]

It's really cool.

[A]

Now I might have to go, especially because I love candy.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

But I can't have candy.

[B]

Who doesn't love candy? But I did. I will tell you, I did kind of burn myself out a little bit. Like, when I got back, I was like, I can't have any more chocolate.

[A]

You've got to stop eating excessive amounts of things.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Hot dogs, candy. You're, like, ruining. It's like a kid with their. You know when you're. You drink alcohol for the first time and you vomit and you're like, I can never have that again.

[B]

I know.

[A]

That's what you're doing to foods.

[B]

I know. Like, the last day we were there, we were like, let's get. Let's get some ice cream. And so I got like a Hershey's S' mores ice cream Sunday. And then Morgan. I thought the price was a little expensive. I'm like, that's $11 a lot for, like, an ice cream, but I know. Well, it was $11. The thing was freaking massive. It was like four huge scoops of ice cream with chocolate all over. All over it with graham crackers in it and marshmallows. Like, it was delicious. But I like, this is it that.

[A]

You'Re like, this is the last thing. Family help you eat it or is that just yours?

[B]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was like, I can't do all this.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. Well, thanks for sharing about Hershey.

[B]

Yeah. It was fun.

[A]

I'm glad you got to do that.

[B]

You all need to go.

[A]

I do. I love candy. So I would love to go. We're take one more quick break and we'll be right back.

[B]

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[A]

32 Lost Nuclear Weapons your. Wait, stop. What?

[B]

Ernie Shackleton sounds like a solid 70s basketball player who still wore knee pads. Yes. It's gonna be a whole lot of history, a whole lot of funny, and a whole lot of guests. The great Paul Scheer made me feel good. I'm like, oh, wow. Angela and Jenna, I am so psyched you're here.

[A]

What was that like for you to soft launch into the show?

[B]

Sorry, Jenna. I'll be at asking the questions today.

[A]

I forgot whose podcast we were doing.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[A]

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[B]

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[B]

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[A]

Speaking of trips, I gotta go to a little mountain cabin. That's where my boyfriend took me for my birthday.

[B]

Was this the surprise? The Ohio? Ohio Surprise.

[A]

Georgia.

[B]

Georgia. But what was the hint? I thought the hint was Ohio.

[A]

No, the. The hint was that it was three hours away.

[B]

Oh, three hours away from Ohio. Got it.

[A]

Different places. And then he told me, Georgia.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And then I Learned that was like a mountain thing.

[B]

How, how did, how did it start? Like, okay, so what did you guys go?

[A]

We left after the show on Friday.

[B]

And he told you what?

[A]

He was like, I knew it was in Georgia and I knew it was three hours away. That's all I knew.

[B]

So he said, we're going to Georgia and it's gonna be three hours.

[A]

Yeah. And I was like, what do I pack? He's like, a bunch of comfy clothes, warm clothes. We'll pack games. That's all. That's all you need to worry about. So we get in the car, we're like 15 minutes from the place. Mind you, the whole ride up, I'm just sitting there like, okay, I'm pointing to all the signs. I'm like, is that where we're going? Is that where we're going?

[B]

Why can't you just enjoy the trip?

[A]

I'm not good at surprises.

[B]

Like, why can't you just sit back?

[A]

I wanted to, but like, everything in me needed. I'm so, you know me. I'm kind of a little control freak.

[B]

I know, I know.

[A]

And so I was like, well, what are we doing? Where are we going? What's gonna happen?

[B]

You wanna prepare your mind for it too. Like, you're probably imagining what it's gonna be like, but you have nothing.

[A]

Yeah. And I had nothing. So we're like 10 minutes, we're driving up and I'm like, okay, well, we're creeping up a mountain. And he's like, okay, you gotta close your eyes. Will that mess you up? Cause the vertigo? He's like, I don't need you to get sick.

[B]

Good, good point.

[A]

But he'. Close your eyes. I do. And like I open them and we're on top of Lookout Mountain.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that's cool.

[A]

Yeah. Which is apparently where you can see seven states.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, so. So is this by Chattanooga?

[A]

Yep, it's outside of. So we were just across the border. It was called Rising Fawn.

[B]

Yeah, I've been there.

[A]

Georgia.

[B]

It's pretty legit.

[A]

It was gorgeous. And they created these cute little cabins that had wood fired ovens. So you can make a pizza.

[B]

That's the best.

[A]

So we bought like ingredients to make a pizza, which, mind you, different pizza than normal right now. Because it had to be gluten free, dairy free.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Because of all the stuff that I'm doing right now. And so he like, he had thought of everything. But it was like, Eddie was a perfect weekend. I want to live in the mountains. So bad.

[B]

I know, I know. I get that feeling, too. When we go to mountains, especially, like, in a cabin, I'm like, I can do this. Like, I know I can do this for the rest of my life.

[A]

It's so peaceful. You can watch beautiful sunrises, sunsets.

[B]

Do you think it'll ever get boring, though? Like, knowing what your life is now and what you're able to do now? Like, if you want to go out and see a show, you want to go hang out with the girls downtown, you're able to do that. But do you think if you lived in the mountain, in the little mountain cabin in the middle of nowhere, which is awesome and beautiful, but you don't have that option anymore. You think you do that?

[A]

I think so. Just because I would go on hiking a lot, and hiking would be a really good activity for me because I love that. But I do think there would be moments where I'd go stir crazy. You know, when you get very, like, I need to be out of the house and do things. Because I do have that, like, innate. But I'm trying to learn to. You might.

[B]

Who knows, though? Like, you might change. You may not want to crave that kind of stuff anymore. I think that I become a more peaceful, more patient person when I'm out there.

[A]

I agree. Because life slows down.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When life around you doesn't feel chaotic, you don't feel chaotic.

[B]

But then you also realize that we create our own stress.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, we create our own stress. When you look at, like, whenever you're in the woods, like, in the woods, in the mountain, and you think about, like, what are they doing back home? Like, moving. We're late for this. We gotta do that. You go back to the mountain area. We're not late for anything.

[A]

No. And that's the best part. You're on mountain time.

[B]

You're on mountain time. There's no time, man. Like, oh, what am I late on? Oh, getting a glass of wine, starting a fire. Like, I'm not late for it. We'll do that when we do it.

[A]

I love that part. And that's why I very much think maybe when I get to retirement age, hopefully that happens in my life soon.

[B]

Probably sooner than me. Yeah.

[A]

401K.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Still working on it. I would love for that to look. I know a lot of people tend to go and do beaches and they go warmer.

[B]

I think people do different things. That's interesting. I would do beach for sure. But I like it. I like them both.

[A]

Yeah. There's just something Peaceful about not having a lot of noise around you. And I really think it's in general, like you mentioned. I think I'm getting to that point in my life where I just want things to slow down.

[B]

That's good.

[A]

You know, I need to.

[B]

Very healthy. I think we have lived a very fast life for a long time. Like, you know, I joke about retirement and everything, but when my wife and I sit down and we really just talk, I always tell her, like, I'm ready to. Like, I'm ready.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

Like, we've been moving so fast for so long. Like, even just our marriage, like, we've just been moving fast.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

That, like, I'm ready to slow down.

[A]

Well, it's even you. You think that you get to a point, you're like, okay, well, if we do xyz, then we can do this finally. Or then you get to that point, you do it, and you're like, okay, well, let's do this so we can get to this. It's always, like, you're always trying to plan for the next thing to come. There's never just this moment of, like, living in the now and what's happening. And I've really tried to focus energy on, like, here right now, what's happening today. But that's so hard to do when you have a job and you have to pay bills and.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You have this entire.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Thing that you've created. You know, going and living in the mountains right now is not sustainable.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's not a life that I can actually have right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's sad, though, because that's not.

[B]

Could you, though? You probably could. Like. Like, if you really wanted to, you could probably sell everything. You'd have to have some kind of income. But it could just be working at the corner store, like, down the hill, down the mountain, you know, or somewhere in the mountain town. Like, you could. You could.

[A]

I have thought about this.

[B]

You could totally do it.

[A]

Because I've also thought about just, like, packing up Remy Hazel, and I've even told my boyfriend, like, would you just move across the water? Like, just, you know, little town in Italy where we can just, like, work at a coffee shop and hang out there.

[B]

You could.

[A]

And, like, I love that idea. If everything honestly goes to crap, I think I would do one of those two and just for a little bit.

[B]

What goes to crap? Like, work?

[A]

Yeah. Say something happens.

[B]

But why? Why wait for that?

[A]

I don't know. I just.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

I don't know that I'm there yet. I think I still have more to accomplish, and I think that's what keeps me hanging on.

[B]

Do you wish. See, this is so interesting because, like, do you wish that you could be more, like, screw it, let's just go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

See, I don't. Because I. I feel like I would just get myself into so much crap, I'd eventually get out of it. But I mean, like.

[A]

Like gambling.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, I used to be like, who cares? Like, let's just. Let's just stay out till the sun comes up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you're like, next day, you're like, damn, I should not have done that. Like, I'm exhausted. You know what I mean? Like, so there's always, like. I used to love just doing stuff on a whim, but the thought of the next day or going to work the next day or preparing for whatever, the reality is. Okay. We need to be a little more responsible.

[A]

Yeah. But see, if you pack up and you go move to the beach and you work on a fishing charter, there's not a lot of responsibilities besides making sure you're on that fishing charter.

[B]

No, but there still is. Just smaller.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

But you don't have kids. And now I'm. I'm screwed. Like, I have kids.

[A]

I cannot do that right now.

[B]

Bring them all on the boat. Like. Like, I can't.

[A]

Hey, you could.

[B]

I could. I don't want to uproot them from their life. Yeah, now I know, because that would be just stressful for them.

[A]

But there's always a. You could.

[B]

I could. Hey, I can leave my family and go, oh, we're not talking about that.

[A]

I don't want that for you.

[B]

I don't. I could. Hey, you could. Like. I don't know. It's just. It's a weird thought because, like, we all could, but it's the fear of, like. I mean, I wouldn't have my family here. Like. Like, you. If you went to Italy, your family would be in Wichita. You would never see them. Yeah, because you're in Italy now.

[A]

I know, but it's like that thing where I just. I really, like, think about. Because listeners will always call in and be like, what would you guys do if the show in. I really think for, like, a brief couple months, if everything were to just blow up one day, I'd be like, okay, this is the moment. I'm gonna go hang out in the mountains for a while. Or, like, go over to Europe and hang out there for a little bit. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I really think that would happen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But until that happens, I don't know that I would.

[B]

Do you ever wish. Do you ever wish that it blew up so you could do that?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So do I.

[A]

Because I don't want to voluntarily blow up my own life.

[B]

But why, though? But why? You see, there's something here. There's something.

[A]

Yeah, there's something left to accomplish. Like, you know that there's more coming.

[B]

I know, but the fact that we both would wish for things that just force us to do what we really want. Why not just do what we really want versus wait for something to force us to do what we really want?

[A]

Because that's unconditional.

[B]

No, because we're responsible and we're stress balls. Like, that's what it is. We're like, no, we have to, guys, everyone depends on us.

[A]

We have to make money. We gotta survive.

[B]

We have to make a certain amount of money, live in a house. We have to, like, I get it, but we don't.

[A]

Well, we're not. What aren't they called? Like, vagabonds? Where you, like, really good at doing that, where you can just, like, up and leave and go. And I. I've never really had that in my body. Like, I have. I have to have.

[B]

Because your mind says you need a plan for it.

[A]

I need to have an organized situation. I need to be, like, calculated.

[B]

But you're also gifted with the idea, with the capability of. Of getting yourself to an okay place, wherever you are.

[A]

I know.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like, if you left and you're like, I'm just gonna go live in Italy, you would figure it out. You would figure it out somehow, and you would make enough money to have a place to live and all that. So you're equipped with that as well. But you're also a little not able to do that because you're like, I can't do that right now for whatever reason.

[A]

Yeah. Aren't we weird? Humans are weird.

[B]

We're very weird.

[A]

It's like a weird. But, you know, well, may maybe one day it all happens.

[B]

Just whenever it all goes down, we'll see.

[A]

It all blows up. Okay, I had. I had a few stories for you, but I want you to choose one. And that's what we'll end up.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. So A is a wanted man. Two is a reckless cop.

[B]

What?

[A]

The three is a projector screen. Those are all clues to what the stories are gonna be about. So you choose.

[B]

Oh, I got you. Okay, say it again.

[A]

A is a wanted man. Two is a reckless cop, and three is a projector screen.

[B]

Let's do the Wanted Man.

[A]

Okay, so my boyfriend, thankfully, he's a wanted man. No. Oh, God, no. That'd be horrible.

[B]

Come on, tell me more. Tell me more.

[A]

No, he's awesome. In most my yard, for me, he's taken that off of my plate because he loves shirtless. I'm sure it's lovely. It's a great experience for me.

[B]

Well, you sit on the porch in your lemonade watching them cut your grass.

[A]

No, don't do that part. But I was about to take Remy for a walk. I was, like, looking out the front door, and I was about to take her. I have to put her in a stroller right now because she tore a ligament in her knee, so she can't walk. So I was getting her all prepped to go, and as I'm doing this, I just see this, like, whoosh. This guy runs into the yard, and.

[B]

He'S like, front or back?

[A]

Front yard.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And he's, like, having an intense conversation with my boyfriend. And I'm like, what is going on? So I, like, run out front, and I'm like, hey. And this guy's, like, yelling. He's like, call 91 1. Somebody needs help. There's people following me and, like, saying all these kinds of things. He's like, give me your phone. And my boyfriend's like, no, no, no. I'll call 91 1. So he, like, calls 911 and puts it on speaker, and they're both talking. And then some other lady drives into the driveway and is like, is everybody okay? And he's, like, yelling. And we can't tell if. If somebody's hurt or if he's hurt or. All we can figure out is there's an emergency somewhere, right? This is how urgent he is. And so my boyfriend's talking to the 911 operator. He's standing there just, like, very. You can tell just something is very wrong. No, that's not me.

[B]

Is that your stomach?

[A]

Is that your stomach? That's always your stomach.

[B]

No, it's either mine or yours.

[A]

We don't eat, remember? And this is all happening. And then the guy just runs off. He runs towards the backyard of our neighbor's house, jumps a fen.

[B]

Oh, crap.

[A]

And keeps going. And my boyfriend, still talking to the 911 operator. And the operator, like, finally starts to put pieces together and was like, was this guy wearing a camo hat and had, like, this shirt on? My boyfriend's like, yeah, that's him. And she was like, okay, well, he's wanted for something that happened on the street over. And my boyfriend is like, for. For what? Exactly? And she's like, well, I can't disclose that. It's an open, open investigation. And I'm just like, well, where is he? Yeah, he was just running in the yard. Where did he go? So she, like, hangs on the phone, and then we never hear anything again.

[B]

Oh, that's crazy.

[A]

Never. And mind you, I still went on my walk. I went into a different street because I didn't go back to that street.

[B]

You didn't follow where he went? So. So what was he saying, though, to your boyfriend? Like, what was. What were the things he was telling the cops?

[A]

He was very erratic. He started off. He. When he ran up to. Initially, he said, because my boyfriend told me this after he ran up, he's like, Call 911. Somebody needs help. Help. And so.

[B]

And.

[A]

And he was like, but, like, trying to get my boyfriend's phone. And at first my boyfriend was like, are you trying to, like, steal my phone and run away? You know, what are you doing? He's like, I'll call. And so my boyfriend, like, tries to calm him down and was like, I'll call 91 1. He dials, and the guy's standing there. The.

[B]

It's on speaker, and he was just standing there. It's not like he was running.

[A]

No. And so he's like, describing. He's like, people were coming after me, and there's some people over there that aren't okay. I'm assuming there's drugs involved would be my guess, the way that he was kind of acting. And so what we gathered is either that somebody needed help or somebody was following him. And so we don't know if there was an altercation that happened.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's what happened on the street over. And you know, that's where the people were started following him.

[B]

And so the lady that stopped, like, what was her involvement in it or. Nothing.

[A]

Just nothing. I think just saw commotion.

[B]

Why would you even stop?

[A]

You know, there's always. You would say, you see commotion, and you're like, I want to know what's going on. No, you don't ever stop when you see my neighborhood.

[B]

Maybe in my neighborhood.

[A]

Yeah, probably you're driving, you see a dude just run up to another dude, and he's, like, erratic.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So she. And she was like, I don't know. I just. I'm making sure everybody's okay, and I start running. Right. So, like, I'm Standing out here, and he runs off. And he had just yelled again to my boyfriend, like, people need help. So I'm like, okay. So I start running because he's pointing to the park. There's a park over there. I just, like, take off and I start running to the park. I'm like, well, somebody needs help.

[B]

Why are you. Oh, to see.

[A]

Yeah. I'm like, well, let me figure out what's going on, because this guy clearly isn't.

[B]

Makes sense.

[A]

Helping us figure it out. Somebody actually needs help. We want to help. And so I'm running, and my. That's when my boyfriend figures out on the phone that he's wanted for the connection.

[B]

Morgan, get back over here.

[A]

Do not go there. And I'm like, what? People need help. He's like, I don't think so. Like, it was just the craziest.

[B]

My gosh.

[A]

In the span of five minutes, this all goes down.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

And we still don't know. We don't know what happened with the one in May. We don't know what actually went down. There still could be a man.

[B]

Did you drive around or anything? Like, I'm the king of driving around when there's something going on. My neighborhood.

[A]

No, I mean, I was walking in the neighborhood, so I would have thought that, like, if there was ambulance, but nothing. Nothing came.

[B]

Huh. You know, to be fair, the wanted man label doesn't mean that he's, like, a murderer. No, that just means that they were looking for him for something happened. Somebody had already called and said, hey, my. Whatever, or this. This. This happened. And he's wearing this.

[A]

Yeah. So it could just be as much as an altercation.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

It could have been. He could have, like, tried to steal something.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It could be anything.

[B]

But what is he talking about that somebody needs, like, help?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

That's weird, man.

[A]

It was the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my life. And it was like, all in our.

[B]

Front yard, you know, I've never had the feeling of. Of that, like, somebody in trouble going through my yard and like that. Because I've heard stories. I've seen. I saw, like, a video. I think I talked about it on air. I saw a video on, like, Twitter or something of a guy just, like, not even like, a quarter of a mile away from my house. Where the chopper video was, was showing these guys that stole a car, and they were jumping through everyone's backyard. And, like, I've always thought about, like, can you imagine? You're just, like, in Your living room. And you're like, what's. Somebody just run back in my backyard?

[A]

Yeah. Like, who are you? Where'd you come from?

[B]

So the other day, I would see, like, two weeks ago, there was a helicopter, like, flying above my house, like, in circles. And it was doing that for, like.

[A]

30 minutes for sure looking for somebody.

[B]

For sure looking for somebody. Because we have a lot of woods in our backyard. And so, like, I'm ready to go, like, for the first time, just, like, lock all the doors, Nobody go outside. And I'm standing by the door with, like, a gun. Like, I'm ready, like, as soon as that guy decides to jump in my backyard, like, I got him.

[A]

You were gonna do the citizens arrest.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't go anywhere. Call the cops, honey.

[A]

Oh, see? Commotion.

[B]

Dude, that's crazy involved. That's a crazy story.

[A]

Yeah, it was a wild moment.

[B]

So did you so happen? Question. You saw your boyfriend in action and something. Something like, I don't know, emergency situation.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How did he. How did he grade?

[A]

Oh, he's. He's like the most patient guy ever. So calm, cool, collected. Very much like, I want to help you, but also, like. Like, let me figure out what's going on, how I can help you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then also concerns for me because I was running.

[B]

Yeah, you were running towards the problem. Morgan, get your butt back over here.

[A]

Yeah. So very protective, but also very, like, calm. And I'm like, I turned into erratic. I was like, something's going on. He's like, breathe. We're fine. We'll figure it out. Like, yeah, he's a very patient man, which I need. So.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, we're gonna jump over to some listener Q and A's. Eddie, thanks for joining.

[B]

Thanks, Morgan.

[A]

Thanks for sharing about Hershey.

[B]

Yeah, it was fun. A lot of good conversations today.

[A]

It always is.

[B]

I know. It always is. I had a lot of fun.

[A]

Well, bye, everybody. And follow Eddie on Instagram, social media everywhere.

[B]

Producer Eddie.

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And you can check him out on 25 whistles.

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You're like. And you were looking at me like, what? What are you trying to say?

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And make sure you subscribe to the Show YouTube page. Obby Bone Show. Bye, everybody.

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