SORE LOSERS: Why Was Ray Depressed?

Summary

The Bobby Bones Show: SORE LOSERS - Why Was Ray Depressed?

Date: February 28, 2026
Hosts: Lunchbox and Ray (with frequent banter and storytelling)
Theme: Navigating stress, responsibility, cruise preparation, and the realities of aging and health

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into Ray’s recent stress and feelings of being overwhelmed leading up to the Sore Losers cruise, while also exploring topics such as handling responsibility, cruise ship logistics, memorable sunburns, physical therapy woes, and musings about the body aging. The hosts’ signature lively banter and self-deprecating humor color discussions on everything from captaining cruise ships to awkward physical therapy and adult league soccer trash talk.

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Main Discussion Points

1. Ray’s Pre-Cruise Stress and Responsibility

Timestamps: 02:21 – 07:08

• Ray’s Anxiety: Ray shares his heightened worry and sense of responsibility for prepping things at work before leaving for the cruise.
  • "We're only going to be able to do one pod. I've got to train Kevin. I've got to do this. And if something goes wrong next week, it's all my fault, bro." (Lunchbox, 02:53)
• Workload and Progress: Reminisces about past overwhelming workloads versus current teamwork but notes, “I'm still... like, just imagine, kids, you got a peanut butter and jelly, and you're running out of that peanut butter, but you're still trying to stretch that peanut butter all over the bread. Stretch pretty thin…” (Ray, 05:07)
• No One Really Understands: Ray likens his experience to truckers, farmers, firefighters: “Nobody will understand my life but me. And I'll hang up and listen.” (Ray, 06:09)
• Lunchbox’s Perspective: Expresses concern for Ray’s stress and contrasts it with his own more relaxed approach to responsibility.

2. Cruise Ship Insights and Preparation

Timestamps: 07:08 – 18:43

• Ship Logistics: The hosts discuss cruise ship size, getting lost, and whether anyone actually notices the name of the ship before boarding.
  • “When you're going on a cruise, that's the last thing you look at is the name of the boat.” (Ray, 07:20)
• Captaining a Ship: Ray breaks down career progression on yachts based on watching Below Deck, from deck crew to captain.
  • Detailed description of how cruise staff work behind the scenes and remain out of sight from most guests.
• Base Tan Stories: Both hosts recount painful sunburn experiences on prior cruises, leading to Ray’s vow, “If I'm ever going to go to a place that's sunny, I need to make sure that I prepare my skin properly because that sunburn ain't worth it.” (Ray, 12:13)
  • Lunchbox learns to always put sunscreen on his feet: “If you've ever had the top of your feet sunburned, you can't wear anything.” (Lunchbox, 15:11)
• Packing and Footwear: Ray warns Lunchbox about the amount of walking and foot pain—advising to pack the comfiest shoes, not sandals: “Unless you have something broken in, don't even take it out of your suitcase… because your Achilles is gonna be crying day two.” (Ray, 15:20)

3. Shipboard Fears & Cruise Advice

Timestamps: 18:43 – 28:37

• Getting Lost: They joke about navigation struggles on massive ships.
  • “It was the last day I was on the boat and I was like, that's right. So the restaurant. I could have just made a right and gone up those stairs and it would have saved me 20 minutes.” (Ray, 23:53)
• Fears of Open Sea: Lunchbox confesses anxiety about being unable to see land: “I want that feeling in my stomach and in my gut of, okay, I can make it to shore if I need to.” (Lunchbox, 24:18)
• Drinking and Seasickness: Ray’s tip not to over-drink, as it’s the only way you feel the boat rock: “You don't really feel the boat at all until you've had one too many--then all of a sudden you feel that boat when you're trying to sleep at night and she's rocking.” (Ray, 24:44)
• Balcony and Overboard Concerns: Both hosts discuss rarely seeing ship crew relaxing and express apprehension about open balconies and the risk of falling overboard, especially for children:
  • “There is two bars protecting you from going overboard and you're dealing with 20 mile an hour winds. No... it's thong central on the top deck at night. Windy.” (Ray, 27:12)

4. Funny Food Fails: “French” Restaurant Story

Timestamps: 29:01 – 35:04

• Disappointing Dinner: Lunchbox details a cramped, trendy French restaurant birthday outing where the only food is meat and cheese trays—leaving him hungry and incredulous about fine-dining pretensions.
  • “I had a total of five pieces of really thinly sliced meat, had a little bit of cheese, some apricots, and I'm like, guys, that's it...” (Lunchbox, 32:25)
  • Jokes about the owner’s sommelier aspirations and how fancy places “fake nice.”
• Cultural Confusion: They riff on imported cheese, cravings for “some jerky teriyaki,” and the absurdity of not vetting menus before group outings.

5. Cruise Food Anticipation & Snack Rankings

Timestamps: 39:24 – 41:45

• All You Can Eat: Ray reminds Lunchbox that “you're gonna love the food on a cruise. I hope you can eat and eat and eat until your heart's content.”
• Snack Praise: Praise for animal crackers, Wheat Thins, Triscuits, and the mystery of why such snacks aren’t marketed more.

6. Depression, Aging Bodies & Sports

Timestamps: 41:54 – 49:10

• Mental Health Check-In:
  • Lunchbox tentatively confesses: “I don't know if I'm depressed or if I'm just giving up hope.” (Lunchbox, 42:14)
  • Ray only recalls being “depressed at Carlos and Charlie’s when I was sunburned in 2009…” (Ray, 42:18)
• Physical Therapy Saga: Lunchbox recounts recurring groin pain derailing his return to soccer despite recent PT progress, followed by renewed frustration and a sense of old age dread.
  • “Am I ever gonna be 100%? Am I ever going to just be able to go full throttle and not have this pain?” (Lunchbox, 45:04)
• Advice and Perspectives: Ray tells his story about plantar fasciitis and the unpredictability of the body: “At that dark point in my life, I really did think….I was like, 39, literally, I can't run anymore. Nobody tells you this when you're in high school.” (Ray, 46:51)

7. Adult League Trash Talk & Reflecting on Competition

Timestamps: 48:23 – 51:38

• Lunchbox tells a story about heated soccer game trash talk: “Some guy on the sideline says, f that guy. And he pointed right at me.” (Lunchbox, 48:23)
• Ray recalls getting trash talked during high school wrestling and how some athletes give up to avoid injury, while tougher ones never tap—even being hospitalized.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Responsibility:
  • “Nobody will understand my life but me. And I'll hang up and listen.” (Ray, 06:09)
• On Past Burn Trauma:
  • “I was pale...I got so sunburned in Cozumel, had to wear long sleeve. It was brutal… From that day forward, I made a pledge to myself. If I'm ever going to go to a place that's sunny, I need to prepare my skin properly because that sunburn ain't worth it.” (Ray, 11:38 & 12:13)
• On Cruise Crew Life:
  • “You’ll never see any of the workers when they're not, I mean, the workers are meant to not be there, not to be seen.” (Ray, 10:59)
• On Aging:
  • “At that dark point in my life, I really did think—I guess I just never gonna run again. That's crazy. It hit me at, what was I, 30? I was like, 39. Literally, I can't run anymore.” (Ray, 46:51)
• Physical Comedy:
  • “I don’t want to look like a little [weak] in front of Sarah. I’m like, yeah, I can stretch there. Oh, that hurts.” (Lunchbox, 43:34)
• On Handling Problems:
  • “In wrestling, it's not—you just definitely don't talk to the guy. And he goes, oh, yeah, you effing like that...And I guarantee you that dude to this day works in, like, a salt mine or something.” (Ray, 49:39)

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Final Segments

8. Youth Sports Strategy & Listener Feedback

Timestamps: 53:11 – 55:55

• High school basketball tactics: Should you foul when the other team is running clock? Both agree yes.
• Listener “Jaden”—a woman—thanks for the on-air birthday wish and gently corrects their earlier assumption about her name.

9. Outro: Cruise Excitement and Socials

Timestamps: 55:57 – 56:43

• The guys prepare to board the cruise ship, tease potential live streams, and sign off with their Aaron Rodgers-inspired refrain:
  • “Remember this weekend to R E L A X. Relax.” (Lunchbox, 55:57, 56:43)

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Summary

Tone & Energy:
Authentic, fast-paced, and irreverent—the episode is defined by relatable anxieties, humorous reminiscence, and the hosts’ easy chemistry. It pokes fun at personal failures, pokes holes in “fancy” pretensions, and provides real-world cruise advice, while never taking itself too seriously.

For New Listeners:
You’ll leave with a laugh, a little comfort about getting older, and (if prepping for a cruise) a reminder to pack comfortable shoes, lots of sunscreen, and a sense of adventure. Most importantly, the episode’s underlying message is to stress less—and to R E L A X.

Transcript

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[Ray]

Not doing it.

[Lunchbox]

I have one word for you. Relax. R E L A X. Jeez, relax.

[Ray]

Don't use that one anymore.

[Lunchbox]

Dude, you are the epitome of. I don't know how you survive in life. You are. You need to calm down.

[Ray]

I thought you're going to go with the R word again.

[Lunchbox]

Ray, you are a re. No, I said you need to relax. R E L A X. I have never met someone, and I know we've talked about it with the parking and this and that and how you worry, but this week has been a whole new level lunch. We're not going to be able to. We're only going to be able to do one pot. I've got to train Kevin. I've got to do this. I've got. And if something goes wrong next week, it's all my fault, bro. You realize. You realize we're going to be on a cruise ship. Your responsibility is to be on the cruise ship. You can't control the mothership. You can't control what goes on here. If something happens here, it's not your fault.

[Ray]

Okay? But anyways, a good chef always leaves his sous chefs with almost prepared food. And that's what I'm trying to do for my team, for the boys in the back.

[Lunchbox]

I understand the boys in the back and having it set up nicely. But you have talked about, like, oh, next week, man, I'm just going to be sitting there in that room, and if something goes wrong, like, what am I going to do? Like, it's not your responsibility. I just want you to be able to relax. Like, the high strongness of your lifestyle makes me feel bad for you.

[Ray]

Thank you, man. Thank you. But.

[Lunchbox]

But here we are.

[Ray]

What added responsibilities have you had?

[Lunchbox]

No, no, I don't have any added responsibilities.

[Ray]

It's like, usually, I mean, I just say, I always tell my wife, like, I'm stretched decently thin with the show. It ebbs and flows. Back in the day, I was stretched so thin, I wanted to quit every Monday. Now we're pretty well oiled. Like, we're greased, and I have a team. I used to do every piece of audio that ever went on air outside of somebody's voice, which is insane. Now there's a team of about five of us.

[Lunchbox]

Correct.

[Ray]

Wild. I mean, I wanted to quit so many times. Now I'm to a place where I don't want to quit, but I'm still like, just imagine, kids, you got a peanut butter and jelly, and you're running out of that peanut butter, but you're still trying to stretch that peanut butter all over the bread. Stretch pretty thin so that then add more bread. Now you're not even just putting that peanut butter on one piece of bread. You're doing a whole Italian baguette. So imagine how thin that peanut butter is stretched. And that's me the week before the cruise. Just trying to help the boys in the back, man. I mean, I'VE already gotten a fight with my wife. So, I mean, I'm at a point now where you can criticize me. No, no, no, no. You can say that my wife can say what she needs to say. Only I will understand what I go through. Just like our truck drivers, a lot lizards never going to understand what you do. Our farmers, come on. Bankers are never going to understand what you do. The hr, women and men, nobody's going to understand that a firefighter, what you guys see on a daily basis, nobody's going to understand it but you. And I'm. I'm fine. I can die on that hill. Nobody will understand my life but me. And I'll hang up and listen, Ray, that was poignant.

[Lunchbox]

I'll take a break. I gotta be honest. It was very well said. It was elegant. It was very like the articulated. Well, I just. Man, the stress you have for just that. I feel bad. Like, I feel bad that I don't have that. And it's because, I mean, honestly, I don't have that many responsibilities. But if I'm gone, I'm not thinking, man, if something goes wrong, it's my fault. I'm like, I'm gone. Ain't my fault. You guys deal with that. But we're just. You're just different. And it's okay. It's not bad. It's just, man, I was worried about you. I was worried about doing the pod. I felt like, oh my gosh, maybe we shouldn't do the pod because Ray is stressed out. But here we are, we got our pods in, the listeners are happy. And as they're downloading this, as they're downloading this or listening to this on their lunch break, we're getting on a freaking ship.

[Ray]

Yeah, we're balls deep.

[Lunchbox]

We are going to be on the Santa Pinta or the Santa Maria. I don't know what it's called, if it has a name or if it's just big ship. They all have different names.

[Ray]

You got me. When you're going on a cruise, that's the last thing you look at is the name of the boat. But what I will say is, I'm bringing a beer from the hotel. I'm gonna smash you on that cruise ship. Isn't that what you're supposed to do when a boat set sail, you smash it on the hole.

[Lunchbox]

Oh, for good luck.

[Ray]

Captain's like, get this guy.

[Lunchbox]

Hey, who's that guy? Get him out of here. We don't get out that crap. Ray's like, oh, man.

[Ray]

You know, captains don't have fun. We got all these radio jokers that are supposed to laugh and have fun. And captains are always serious. From what I see on below deck, they. Because they're, they're in charge of the

[Lunchbox]

ship, they have a big responsibility.

[Ray]

Ray, what a hell of a metaphor. Similar to what you talked about earlier.

[Lunchbox]

So my question is how long do, does the captain drive the boat? Is it like, is it like a normal job where they do 8 hour shifts? Are they on 12 hour shifts? How does that work?

[Ray]

Well, their big day, I'm going to just go from below deck. So I actually kind of know a little bit of the matter is when they, when they're. It's a, what is it called? It's a watered at sea. At sea is what would our, our schedule is like, boom. One day at a port, captain does nothing at sea. Captain's driving the boat for 12 hours at port, captain's chilling for 12 hours at sea, captain's balling out for 12 hours looking for those rogue waves.

[Lunchbox]

Also, how do you become a captain of that big of a boat? Like, do you start like, oh, I'm going to do a little ferry and then you pass those tests and the ferry people are like, hey man, we got this guy down here, he could be really good on a cruise ship.

[Ray]

Well, I have the answer.

[Lunchbox]

Go ahead.

[Ray]

So on below deck it's called not the Orman. I watch the show so passively. But it's the crew, right? No, no, the. I watch it so passively. The I'll know it, I'll come up with it. They're outside crew. The inside is the interior, that's the girls. And then the guys are the, the boson is the top one. But his crew, I guess it's just deck team. There you go. So deck team is like cleaning the boat. Well then the top cleaner of the boat is the boson. So then the boson starting to have managerial skills. Then the boson a couple times says, hey, captain, what if I drive it into port? And so then the boats and learns how to back the boat into port. The bosun at night learns how to read the weather, read the waves. The bosun's learning all this crap. And then the captain's like, hey, here's the reins. You can do this, you can port. Which ports very difficult, especially in the Mediterranean, especially near Australia. There's a lot of boats, but they start to learn that. And then once you get that experience, then there's probably some sort of a school you go to. And then you're good. But it's literally starting as a person cleaning the boat and then just asking the person above you, hey, what if I touch the wheel today? What if I touch it for a little bit longer? What if I tug on it today? Stuff like that. And I'll hang up and listen, man.

[Lunchbox]

That gives me new insight. So will we ever see the captain of the boat or no? The.

[Ray]

I know. On the yachts, the captain is exclusive and elusive. The captain will do their thing and they'll come for one meal, and that's only if the guests request it. Otherwise, the only time you meet the captain is at the very beginning. You shake their hand, get on, never see them again until you get off. Oh, maybe that's the case. This. This is also a cruise, not a yacht. Probably completely different.

[Lunchbox]

Right. I just wondered if, like, when we go to the dining hall, is the captain going to be sitting there eating breakfast?

[Ray]

The dining hall?

[Lunchbox]

Or do they have a separate quarters for all the people working on the ship?

[Ray]

Oh, yeah, for sure. You'll never see any of the workers when they're not. I mean, the workers are meant to not be there, not to be seen. Ah, so the deck team, boom. They're working secretly. They're gliding, they're cleaning. The guys cleaning the boat, they'll be cleaning at 4am you ain't going to see them when sun's up. They ain't going to be cleaning stuff like that.

[Lunchbox]

Huh. All right. Well, I will say that you look tan, dude.

[Ray]

That was the goal.

[Lunchbox]

You look tan. Like I see you this morning. I'm like, that dude's been tanning.

[Ray]

That was the goal. Because I've done it before. 2009, I want to say. Went on a cruise with my buddies. White as a ghost. Because I had been. Winter time, we went maybe in January. Yeah, it was right after I first got hired at the sports station, right before I met the Bobby Bone Show. And we went on a cruise. And I was pale, hadn't been outside. I'd just been wondering what the hell I was going to do with my life. And we went on a cruise. And I got so sunburned in Cabo San Lucas. It wasn't Cabo. We went to Carlos and Charlie's in Roatan, Honduras. What's the other one? Oh, Cozumel. Kumel. Yep. Got sunburnt as crap. Had to wear long sleeve. It was brutal. And from that day forward, I made a pledge to myself. If I'm ever going to go to a place that's sunny, I need to make sure that I prepare my skin properly because that sunburn ain't worth it. Putting on all that has to be more cancer inducing than to be tan in a tanning bed. I'm sorry, I'll hang up and listen. My name is Ben and I. My name's Paul. It's up to y'.

[Lunchbox]

All. So you got a base tan so you don't sunburn.

[Ray]

We go to Carlos and Charlie's, and I mean, probably the hottest girls ever. They're all from Indiana. Little did they know in 15 years they'd win a national championship in football. My buddy's there, he's all tan. What's up? All his Indiana people. I get off this, we're in a Jeep, chilling in Cabo sand, not Cabo in a Jeep, going to Carlos and Charlie's in Cozumel. And I'm so sunburnt, I get off at Carlos and Charlie's. I'm wearing long sleeve, long pants. I got like a hat on, hiding my face. The most beautiful place on the planet. And I'm a crab. I couldn't even drink, I was such a crab. And I said, never again. I'm making this pledge. Never again.

[Lunchbox]

Did the Indiana girls say, what's wrong with your friend, everybody?

[Ray]

I mean, they're like, great personality. What's his name?

[Lunchbox]

Lobby.

[Ray]

I mean, hey, lobster. Hey, hey, is there any marine life?

[Lunchbox]

I see a lobster.

[Ray]

I'm not even in enjoying the jokes because I was so sunburned. I'm like sitting in the shade, so mad at myself, so much remorse, regret everything. And I said, that's it, that's it. I'll always be tan when I go in the sun. So there you go. That this is the end result of

[Lunchbox]

all that learning lesson, dude, I have the same thing. We went to Florida one time, my wife and I. Her uncle had passed away, so we went down for his funeral. Whoa, pause.

[Ray]

Rest in peace.

[Lunchbox]

And so we were celebrating on, you know, his life on the beach. Like, afterwards, we went to the beach. That's where he loved to go, was the beach. And it was probably February and we weren't getting in the water, but we were just sitting on the beach. And I wasn't thinking much of it. Well, I'm going to tell you what. The tops of my feet got so dang sunburned, it hurt to put on shoes for at least a week. Really, it was so bad. And I will never forget that lesson in life that I always, always. Now put the sunscreen on the top of my feet.

[Ray]

There you go.

[Lunchbox]

See, always you have to learn the hard way. But we were just sitting there for hours having drinks on the beach, and no one bothered to tell me, hey, you might want to cover up your feet. They get sunburned really easily. These people are from Florida. Come on, now. They all grew up on the beach. Tell me that my foot is the part that's going to get sunburned the fastest because, I mean, I was in so much pain. It hurts so freaking bad. If you've ever had the top of your feet sunburned, you can't wear anything.

[Ray]

And this. This just reminded me, you know how I told you have comfy shoes because your feet, bro, I can't stress it enough. I forgot to tell you because you said people don't warn you about the sun, and we need to tell people. We need to give advice. You're gonna do so much walking because the boat's massive and the odd land and getting to port and get. You do so much walking. I forget. On the last cruise I went two years ago, dude, I. I was getting cramps in my Achilles. Like, I almost pulled a Halliburton because doing so much walking. So those sandals that you've never worn before, dude, you've got to just throw them away. I don't even want you to wear them, because unless you have something broken in, don't even take it out of your suitcase. You thought you were sore on the top of your feet, bro, your Achilles is gonna be crying day two.

[Lunchbox]

It's gonna be gonna go on. Tatum. Tatum. Tatum.

[Ray]

Well, Kyrie's not coming back from that.

[Lunchbox]

Well, his was acl. Oh, so.

[Ray]

So I'm just telling you, you're gonna do so. You don't realize how much walking you do on a ship. They're massive. Massive. Just going to the damn port is a mile.

[Lunchbox]

What the.

[Ray]

The dock is half a mile. The dock's forever. You walk on the dock for hours. You walk on the boat, and then you're like, oh, I gotta go to my room. Here's another hour. Then you actually get to the port, and you got to get to the transportation. That's another half mile. You walk so much on a cruise. Oh, maybe not Key west, though. Top Dog said that Key west is, like, right there. Like, when the ship pulls up, you basically get off and there's a margarita waiting for you. Okay, not to scare you, though, man.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah, man. You're starting me. You're starting to make me rethink this whole sandal plan. You're starting to make me think that the sandal purchase was a bad idea because I couldn't roll with the slides. I'm telling you. But now you're really making me think sandals should just stay at home.

[Ray]

I look myself in the mirror and I said, homie, what are your two most comfiest things that you put on your feet ever? And those are both the shoes that I brought. I said, I don't care what they look like. They're the comfiest. They're freaking clouds. That's what I'm bringing. I call me unk. I'm gonna be comfy because I know how much walking you do.

[Lunchbox]

So you're telling me when we're hosting stuff in Benami vinamy. Is that right, Benami? It sounds right that I should be wearing tennis shoes, but what if it's on the beach?

[Ray]

It won't be. You're gonna be on a stage. You're gonna be in that pool area. You don't need sandals. The sandals are really just for the beach guy. I'm Tonya and Bimini. It's gonna be the same thing. I went to, and there's not a lot of beach, and there's so many beach chairs. Not even a lot of people went down there.

[Lunchbox]

Not.

[Ray]

No, no. I'm think I see it right now. Not a lot of people went down there. The only thing sandals are for is just beach. You don't get sand in your shoes.

[Lunchbox]

All right, got it. Should we start the show? Yeah, man.

[Ray]

Start it started. Beach guy. Big beach guy.

[Lunchbox]

I'm just throwing them overboard. Sandals are going overboard, man.

[Ray]

We're gonna do it live. We are the 1, 2, 3, soar. Loser.

[Lunchbox]

What up, everybody? I am lunchbox. I know the most about sports. So I'll give you the sports facts, my sports opinions, because I'm pretty much a sports genius, y'.

[Ray]

All, It's Sizzin. Alpha male, live. North side of Nashville. Bays are 2.3 acres, two kids Vandy defrosting, Heading on a cruise. I'm on a boat. I'm on a boat, mother effort. I'm on a boat. Over to you, man.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah, Hannah's boat's gonna be awesome. We're about to get on this boat, and you say it's gonna be a mile to my room, and I'm probably gonna get lost all over this ship, aren't I? You get lost, there will be a

[Ray]

nook and cranny that you don't even see. It's that dang big.

[Lunchbox]

We'll take a break.

[Jo Winterstein]

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[Lunchbox]

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[Lunchbox]

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houses, in different places, but just an

[Jo Winterstein]

embracing of the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity and real life, this episode is a must. Listen Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Ray]

I'm Clayton ECKERD and in 2022 I was the lead of ABC's the Bachelor.

[Stephanie Young]

Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first Bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected. The Internet turned on him.

[Ray]

If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would.

[Stephanie Young]

But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal.

[Jo Winterstein]

The media is here.

[Mind Games Narrator]

This case has gone viral.

[Ray]

The Dating Contract Agree to date me,

[Jo Winterstein]

but I'm also suing you.

[Ray]

Police Search Warrant this is unlike anything I've ever seen before.

[Stephanie Young]

I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped this season, an epic battle of he said, she said and the search for accountability in a sea of lies.

[Ray]

I have done nothing except get pregnant by the Bachelor.

[Stephanie Young]

Listen to Love trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mind Games Narrator]

What if mind control is real?

[Ray]

If you could control the behavior of

[Lunchbox]

anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Lunchbox]

When you look at your car, you're gonna become overwhelmed with such a good feelings.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Ray]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you get someone to join your cult?

[Jo Winterstein]

NLP was used on me to access my subconscious.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Nlp, AKA Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user Manual for your brain.

[Ray]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all. NLP might actually work.

[Lunchbox]

This is wild.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ben Higgins]

What do you do when the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins, and if you can hear me is where culture meets the soul. A place for real conversation. Each episode I sit down with people from all walks of life. Celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks. And we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore. Loss that changes you. Purpose when success isn't enough. Peace when your mind won't slow down. Faith when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if youf Can Hear me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ray]

Get lost. You're good with directions.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah.

[Ray]

It was the last day I was on the boat and I was like, that's right. So the restaurant. I could have just made a right and gone up those stairs and it would have saved me 20 minutes. Got it. Glad I realized that on the second to last day, you will walk around and around stairs. Left, right, room. Imagine the Titanic. Dude, that thing ever floods, we're screwed. You can't find yourself off a cruise ship.

[Lunchbox]

That is one of my biggest fears is not being able to see the land because I want to be able to swim to the shore if we we something happens and I understand I'm probably not going to be able to swim to the shore because it's a long ways away and I'm not that good of a swimmer, but I want that feeling in my stomach and in my gut of, okay, I can make it to shore if I need to do.

[Ray]

Did you bring Dramamine and stuff?

[Lunchbox]

No.

[Ray]

Okay. Cuz I'm. I know that you're responsible and we're gonna be doing stuff for the. Don't drink too much because you don't really feel the boat. You don't really feel the boat at all until you've had one too many Then all of a sudden you feel that boat when you're trying to sleep at night and she's rocking.

[Lunchbox]

Oh.

[Ray]

So do not over drink. And let's just hope there's not some nor' easter rolling through.

[Lunchbox]

My question, do you sleep with it? Can you sleep with a window open?

[Ray]

See that, that was great advice I got after the fact people said they do that so you can actually hear the wall. It'll probably be cold because I. In this time of the year, I think with the, the winds and stuff. But I've heard people say they'll actually sleep on the, the patio. They'll put the.

[Lunchbox]

No, no, no, I ain't doing. That's too scary.

[Ray]

Maybe it's tik tok and you shouldn't believe it. Somebody said they take their mattress and put it on the patio and sleep out there with the ocean every night.

[Lunchbox]

Oh, that, that, that. No, I don't think I'll do that.

[Ray]

Like the reason we couldn't do that, it turned off the air conditioner. Ah, that's how they keep you from doing it.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah, that, that, that, that freaks me out. I don't want to be like, I'm a little nervous to go out on the little patio or whatever because I'm worried about going over. Like, I don't want to get near the edge. Because you read the news stories about all this person fell overboard and that is my. I don't understand how that happens. Like most of the time you think, do they jump or is it really an accident where they fall overboard?

[Ray]

I would say 50% of the time they fall because you're talking about your room. I would say there's maybe one more bar in your room, but it's still pretty open. It's not Vegas where they don't let you go on the balcony. I mean, it is open. Then you go to the top deck. It is windier. And there is about. I would never take a kid on the top deck. There is two bars protecting you from going overboard and you're dealing with 20 mile an hour winds. No, but why do you want to go up there? Yeah, you didn't hear this from me.

[Lunchbox]

It will blow.

[Ray]

The chicks dresses up.

[Lunchbox]

Oh, I will say people always, oh, have you taken your kids on a Disney cruise? No chance. I can't imagine trying to keep them off the railings. The bars near the edge. They like to climb on everything. I don't know if I would be able to R E L A X the entire week.

[Ray]

That, that would be terrifying with kids because I Was just dealing with myself and Bazer. And you're. You're moving around, you're wobbling. She's trying to hold her dress. You got girls thongs all over the place. It's thong central on the top deck at night. Windy. And then you just hold onto the bar and you're like, wow. I mean, I could easily see somebody going overboard right now on this ship. How is this allowed? It's. It's crazy you bring that up because you think that every time when you go on the top deck at night, they should probably not allow this.

[Lunchbox]

Oh, man. Yeah. See? Oh, but.

[Ray]

Right, you told me a girl's thongs.

[Lunchbox]

No, no, no, no. I mean, I'm never gonna go to the top deck at night. You know what I mean? Just every single night, probably I'll be there. May happen. You know, if I get lost and I happen to be up there, that's the only reason I'd be up there.

[Ray]

But there's a reason. It's the most beautiful thing you've ever seen.

[Lunchbox]

Oh, the wide open ocean ray.

[Ray]

You see on the skirts go up, you look out and you see the moon and it reflects on the water and. And you going through that water.

[Lunchbox]

It.

[Ray]

They call it. They call it. They call it. They call it.

[Lunchbox]

They call it reflection.

[Ray]

Ethereal. What? It is almost ethereal from another universe. Oh, so that's why you do it.

[Lunchbox]

That's a big word, man.

[Ray]

Yeah, it.

[Lunchbox]

It.

[Ray]

You'll think it when you see it, you know, because you can't see it on land. You can only see it when you're in the middle of the ocean. And in that moment in time, you're like, wow. It's almost like ketamine. I'm giving you good advice, man.

[Lunchbox]

No, I really appreciate it, man. I mean, you're giving me good advice because one week ago, I went to a birthday party. Ah. This neighbor, his wife's turning. I don't know how old she was turning, maybe 39. I don't really know. And he's like, we're gonna go out to dinner. I got reservations. What? Who's all in? And two other. It's so. It's them, another couple and me and my wife. So there's six of us. He's like, all right, great. I'm gonna drive. You know what I mean? It's this place, you know, over here. I've wanted to try it. She's gonna really like it. It has some nice wine. She loves wine. I'm like, all right. It's a French Restaurant.

[Ray]

Enough about her. Well, what about me?

[Lunchbox]

And I'm like, all right, cool, man. Let's go. So he picks us up and we drive over the restaurant. We get inside. I mean, the restaurant is about as big as this room.

[Ray]

The good ones are.

[Lunchbox]

And I'm like, okay. And it's in a strip center right next to the gas station. You can get diesel or you can get a bottle of wine.

[Ray]

A script center.

[Lunchbox]

Script center. And so we walk in, really nicely decorated, very cool looking like, wow, this is awesome. And they're like, oh, do you have a reservation? Yeah, we got a reservation. Okay, well, right now, we're a little full. We got this four top. We can squeeze all six of you guys on this four top. And then when another table opens up, we can slide them together. All right, I guess that works, man. So we're six people at a four top, and the women are doing wine flights. The wine flights wouldn't even fit on the table. Lap flights. So they had to bring over, like a stand up bar, circular table and put it up against the wall. And you had to put the wine up there. And then we had to reach and get the wine.

[Ray]

Here you go, Sherry. Here's your final flight. You got your final connector. Here you go, your flight. You are now free to move without the country.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah. You thought you was a direct flight? No, it is. You got to go. Stop here. Walk over there, get your wine. And then I'm like, all right, let's. Let's order some food. Oh, no, no. They just have cheese and a meat tray. I'm like, wait, you said we were going out to dinner.

[Ray]

You said Italian.

[Lunchbox]

No, I said French.

[Ray]

French, same thing.

[Lunchbox]

The guy that runs the place, he knew French. He was from France.

[Ray]

Hey, Pierre, where's some meat?

[Lunchbox]

And he was big into wine, and he started going like people were asking about the wine flights. He's like, well, this one comes from the. I'm like, oh, my God. How do you know so much about wine?

[Ray]

Where did we get to this point in life?

[Lunchbox]

Where did I get to this point in life? I'm just looking at him like, what are you saying? You are speaking a totally different language than what I understand.

[Ray]

I've avoided those as much as I possibly.

[Lunchbox]

Oh, this one's from the. The. The bottom of the mountain and in this little village and what they do with their wine. And I'm like, oh, my God. They. They. Honestly, they could just make it up. What is this?

[Ray]

Dasani water from the island of Dasani.

[Lunchbox]

They really could just make this stuff up, and you believe it because they say it, and they convince you that that's true. All right, cool, man. So then they bring the meat and cheese tray out, and I'm like, all right, this is my dinner. This is literally my dinner. All right, let me eat some of this. Oh, I got two pieces of meat. Because there's six people, and we all have to share, so. All right, man. Well, are we going to get another meat tray? Yeah, we got another one coming. Second one comes. So I had a total of five pieces of really thinly sliced meat, had a little bit of cheese, some apricots, and I'm like, guys, that's it.

[Ray]

Brutal.

[Lunchbox]

That's all we're having. What are we doing here? Like, oh, no, no, we can order this. And I'm like, oh, what is it? Oh, ham and cheese sandwich.

[Ray]

So basically, she just wanted to drink.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah. And it was supposed to be, like, the atmosphere and the ham and cheese sandwich, it was like, 28 for a ham and cheese sandwich. I guess it's some fancy cheese and fancy ham. It wasn't that good. It wasn't that good. And I just. I was very disappointed. And so when we got home, I told my wife, I said, listen, from now on, if we say we're going to dinner, can we go to dinner? She goes, oh, no. You know, that is the meat and cheese. That's what they do over there. And it's a type of dinner. I said, no, because right now I'm ready to eat my freaking arm because I'm starving. And B, it wasn't even that good. And she goes, well, I think that was, like, imported cheese and imported meat. So you're not really used to that fancy of meat, and that's why you didn't like it.

[Ray]

Import it from the gas station. I want some jerky teriyaki.

[Lunchbox]

I'm like, well, it wasn't very good. If they're gonna import it, they need to import some better stuff. So, yes, when you're going to a birthday party, make sure you check the menu before you go. I would have had something to eat at my house before I left if I knew that we were just having a little meat and cheese tray and a grilled cheese. Well.

[Ray]

And you know how those places are all fake, how they try to be fancy?

[Lunchbox]

Oh, man.

[Ray]

Well, I mean, it's real, but there's a place by me that is, like, really fancy. I'll give you the name. You and your wife would like it.

[Lunchbox]

Well, this guy, he was telling me how he was he was taking his test the next week to be a somal Somali. But I don't. But he was only level. I guess there's different levels. I guess this was level one. Somalia. Whatever, man. He goes and see the guy behind the bar. He's attempting to be Sommelier Level 3. I'm like, Whoa, awesome.

[Ray]

How many is his body count? So let me say this, though. The place bias, very nice.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah.

[Ray]

But they learned we can just fake nice for a little bit. They have a menu at 10pm it's the late night menu. You can get ramen, you can get ham and cheese. You can get pizza bites. But earlier on, here is our menu. Would you like some French onion soup? But then they're like, we just want to make money. After 10. After 10 menu. I can get ramen noodles at the same place that a sommelier just came and got me some salad.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah, man. It just. It's been one week since that dinner and I still am just like, oh,

[Ray]

you must be hungry.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah, I'm still hungry. Thinking about. Just thinking about it. I'm just like, wow, if I ever have a birthday party and it's at a restaurant where you don't get to eat, not really going to go there.

[Ray]

Noted.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah, we'll take a break. We'll be right back.

[Jo Winterstein]

Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver.

[Lunchbox]

The Irish traveler said when I was 16. You're going to have a terrible time with men.

[Jo Winterstein]

Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom, loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius, like are Misunderstood a sun and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership.

[Lunchbox]

He really has taught me to embrace

[Jo Winterstein]

people sleeping in different rooms on different

[Lunchbox]

houses, in different places. But just an embracing of the is

[Jo Winterstein]

the of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real life, this episode is a must. Listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcast.

[Ray]

I'm Clayton eckerd, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's the Bachelor.

[Stephanie Young]

Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected The Internet turned on him.

[Ray]

If I could press a button and rewind it all, I would.

[Stephanie Young]

But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal.

[Jo Winterstein]

The media is here.

[Mind Games Narrator]

This case has gone viral.

[Ray]

The dating contract.

[Jo Winterstein]

Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you.

[Lunchbox]

Please.

[Ray]

Search warrant. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before.

[Stephanie Young]

I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. This season, an epic battle of he said, she said and the search for accountability in a sea of lies.

[Ray]

I have done nothing except get pregnant by the Bachelor.

[Stephanie Young]

Listen to Love trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Mind Games Narrator]

What if mind control is real?

[Ray]

If you could control the behavior of

[Lunchbox]

anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car?

[Lunchbox]

When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you?

[Ray]

I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Can you get someone to join your culture?

[Jo Winterstein]

NLP was used on me to access my subconscious.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Nlp, AKA Neuro linguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

[Ray]

It's about engineering consciousness.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Mind Games is the story of nlp, its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, nlp, might actually work.

[Lunchbox]

This is wild.

[Mind Games Narrator]

Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ben Higgins]

What do you do when the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins, and if you can hear me is where culture meets the soul. A place for real conversation. Each episode, I sit down with people from all walks of life. Celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks. And we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore. Loss that changes you purpose when success isn't enough. Peace when your mind won't stop. Slow down. Fake when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if you can hear me on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ray]

That reminds me, you're gonna love the food on a cruise. I hope you can eat and eat and eat until your heart's content.

[Lunchbox]

I do like that. I do like never going hungry. Because sometimes at home you're just sitting there going, man, I'm hungry. And you don't have anything to eat and you have to wait till the next meal. And at my house, we've had no dishes, we can't cook because we have no dishwasher right now. So we've been really avoiding the cooking thing. So I mean, it's been impossible to eat. It's been like, oh, let me snack on this. Let me eat a little bit of these animal crackers. And I don't know what it is about animal crackers. Those might be the best thing in the world. They might be pound for pound, the. I don't know what they put in them. They are so freaking good.

[Ray]

I hear you. I hear you. There's some also some other ones, I can't think of the name right now. Pound Cake cookies. Or are they Animal cracker esque cookies? Very good. They're around the holidays, Bazer gets it for her dad and I steal Triscuits maybe. And I steal about five of them pound for pound. Maybe the best little American tea dipping cookie.

[Lunchbox]

Dude, Triscuits are really good.

[Ray]

It's not a Triscuit, but those are good. Yeah.

[Lunchbox]

You don't ever think about them, but when I have them, I'm like, man, why don't I eat these more often?

[Ray]

They just don't promote them.

[Lunchbox]

Another thing that's delicious, Wheat Thins.

[Ray]

That's what I thought we were talking about.

[Lunchbox]

Oh, wait, no, Triscuits are the, like, they're kind of.

[Ray]

I got. I got it. I know now, oh, my dad eats all that crap.

[Lunchbox]

I'm just like, where? Why do I never think about Wheat Thins when I'm at the grocery store? Why don't I think, oh, let me grab a box of Wheat Thins. But when you have them somewhere, like if you go to someone's house and they have Wheat Thins laying out and you eat them, I'm like, that's pretty solid.

[Ray]

It's bad marketing. They should be top of mind, but they're not. What is alcohol pouches, vapes, marijuana. You know, that's the stuff that's promoted.

[Lunchbox]

That is. I mean, I've never seen a Triscuit commercial. I don't think I've Ever seen a Wheat Thin commercial? How do people know about them? You just put them on the shelf and people found them.

[Ray]

You got to ask your kids.

[Lunchbox]

I don't think my kids know what Wheat Thins are.

[Ray]

That's what I'm saying.

[Lunchbox]

They know what pouches are. They know what prime is. That's all they ever want is prime. Can I have a pouch? Can I have a prime? Can have a banana.

[Ray]

Are you talking about the Zen pouch?

[Lunchbox]

No, no. Not talking about the Zen pouch. Ray, Lip pillow. What's a lip. Oh, lip pill. Got it.

[Ray]

Yeah. Chobber.

[Lunchbox]

And I gotta say, Kojer, you ever get depressed?

[Ray]

No, man.

[Lunchbox]

Never?

[Ray]

No, no, no, no. I really don't. I really don't. When I was gambling, yes. But then, like a true gambler, you always trick yourself into thinking the positive thing that could happen. But I never was depressed. Depressed?

[Lunchbox]

Yeah. I don't know if I'm depressed or if I'm just giving up hope.

[Ray]

I was depressed at Carlos and Charlie's when I was sunburned in 2009, and all my friends were having the best conversation, and I was sitting in the shade, not drinking, sunburnt, wondering why I couldn't be like everybody else. I was actually depressed that day.

[Lunchbox]

Okay, well, I mean, I. The year of 44. Because I'm 44, it's been a rough year. I've had health issues that I don't know the answers to. Think I've gotten to the bottom of it. I've been going to physical therapy. Everything's been feeling great. I've played three or four soccer games. No problem. Like, oh, my God, this is heaven. Wednesday, I went to physical therapy. We did these exercises. It's like stretches. And. I mean, God, I am the most unflexible person in the world. And even the physical therapist is like, wow, you are so tight. All right, thank you. Don't need. But you're doing great. You're doing great. Great job. Great job. Very encouraging, very nice, very friendly. I really appreciate them.

[Ray]

A man or woman?

[Lunchbox]

Woman, actually. Two women.

[Ray]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Lunchbox]

It's the physical therapist and then some chick that's in physical therapy school her last semester, and she's helping out, and she's learning and getting clinic hours.

[Ray]

Like, who's going to motivate you more, Sarah or Clint?

[Lunchbox]

Definitely Sarah. Yeah. I don't want to look like a little in front of Sarah. I'm like, yeah, I could stretch there. Oh, that hurts.

[Ray]

Okay, well, some of those stretches aren't they kind of guiding you.

[Lunchbox]

Oh, yeah.

[Ray]

If that's a dude, I mean, that's going to look a little weird.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah, it is a little awkward when, because, you know, I've had groin pain or whatever and the girl's like, oh, so it hurts right here. And she starts touching, like rubbing the inside of her. I'm like, yeah, that's where it hurts. Just weird to see you do that.

[Ray]

So she, but she does have to do it.

[Lunchbox]

She does have to do it. It's all medical, but it's just very weird. So it's weird. I've had girls do MRIs on my, my junk. I've had them do ultrasounds on my junk. But I mean, all these women are just all up on me. But anyway, the point of the story

[Ray]

is I'm not seeing the depression.

[Lunchbox]

Then you're, I'm. I'm headed to depression. Did. So I went to physical therapy Wednesday and I felt great, did all the stuff. Then I had a soccer game Wednesday night at 9:45. Way late, way too late.

[Ray]

Whoa, you guys played at the same time as Nashville?

[Lunchbox]

No, Nashville usually plays at 7:30. And we, I go out there and I start playing and about halfway through the game, Dang, pain in the stomach return, man. Right across the front.

[Ray]

Freaking Peterson, Kansas. You're calling coach to take you out?

[Lunchbox]

I'm telling self, hey, I gotta get out, I gotta get out. And after a three and our coach is like, me out. Our coach is like, what, this again? I thought we were past this and I was like, I did too. I really did. I. And I, I. It limited my movement, my ability to move freely and it was just very. I, I sat down like with eight minutes to go in the game and then trying to walk to the car. God, it hurts so bad. And getting out of the car at the house, trying to walk into the house is like, like, it was a lot of grunting and a lot. It took me a long time to walk from the street to the house and just like get inside, get into the bedroom, take a shower. Just every movement was. And it just, as I was taking the shower and you know, I was scrubbing my head and you know, everything, I was just like, am I ever, am I ever going to be 100%? Am I ever going to just be able to go full throttle and not have this pain? Yeah, like, I thought I was there. I thought we had turned a corner and then we're right back where we started. I have the pain right across the front underneath the belly button. And it just, I'M like, I don't know what to do. It's very depressing.

[Ray]

But you realize with the body, and I've learned this with my plantar fasciitis, the body is so weird. With my plantar fasciitis, let's say six months ago, I definitely couldn't run. I was limping while I was walking. And then I did a bad thing. I went and got a pedicure, and the lady scrubbed the bottom of my feet, and it swelled up because I already had plantar fasciitis. That's when we played the basketball thing when Amy daddy to make 33 pointers, bro. I couldn't even walk in. Bones goes, hey, man, you want to play three on three? Hey, dude. That was the worst feeling ever. I couldn't. I needed crutches at that point. I was walking on my foot. But, yes, the body's so weird. A little bit of ice, a little bit of some stretches that Anna, our nurse, taught us, and I was better, and my legs never been better. But at that dark point in my life, I really did think. I guess I just never gonna run again. That's crazy. It hit me at, what was I, 30? I was like. I was like, 39. Literally. I can't run anymore. Nobody tells you this when you're in high school, but, hey, go for a run, because when you're 39, you're not gonna be able to. And then I got better. The body's so weird. You just ice it. So ice basically cured plantar fasciitis and a couple random ibuprofens that cleared my, like, that's wild. Blows my mind to this day.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah, I mean, I took three Advil when I got home from the game, and I don't know if it's the Advil that, you know, helped because, you know, you go to bed and it wakes up. I wake up in the morning, and it feels better. But the fact that I. As I was running and I was just like, oh, man, here we go again. And it's just. It's. It really hurts. And it was a. It was a fun game. I mean, you should have been there. You would have loved it. Because, I mean, four minutes into the game, their. Their guy kicks the ball, and it's up in the air, and our goalie runs out, and the other guy's going for it on their team, and they kind of collide, and our goalie knocks the guy over, and some guy on the sideline says, f that guy. And I said. And he pointed Right at me. And I said, what'd you say? And he goes, I said, f that guy. I said that. He goes, I'm not talking to you. I'm talking about the guy behind you. F that guy. Oh. And I said, well, that's a little strong for four minutes into the game. He goes, no, that's my brother. He knocked over. And I'm like, they're playing. We're playing soccer, man.

[Jo Winterstein]

There.

[Lunchbox]

There's a little bit of contact. No, f that guy. Okay. All right, man. Cool. Yeah. And so later in the game, I bumped into him, and he goes, oh, you want to play like that? Let's effing go.

[Ray]

You guys both like the F word.

[Lunchbox]

I'm like, hey, dude, you're going to touch each other in soccer. And. And it got ugly. And he started getting mad, and he started fouling a couple times. He fouled twice in a row. Knocked me over twice in a row. Ref called it. Then at the end of the game, he said, good game, but, man, he came out of the gates firing f that guy. Whoa, man, you need to r e l a relax. Co ed adult soccer not winning the World Cup. I got a pain in my stomach. I can't be being. I can't be being effed right now. Okay.

[Ray]

Yeah, I'm not a talker when I play, I get trash. Talking is a thing. And if you're in the league, congrats. You've earned it. Talk some trash. Be that guy. But, I mean, I. I'm thinking of wrestling in general. I never talk trash. I would always just wrestle. Never even said a word. And then one time, this kid goes, oh, yeah, you effing like that. As he was, like, pinning me.

[Lunchbox]

Oh.

[Ray]

And like, I remember it to this day because in wrestling, it's not. You just definitely don't talk to the guy. And he goes, oh, yeah, you effing like that.

[Lunchbox]

See?

[Ray]

And I guarantee you that dude to this day works in, like, a salt mine or something. And he hates his life because he lived in Sault Ste. Marie, and you never make it out of that town. You're basically Canadian. And he has the worst life ever. But that was the one guy that goes, oh, yeah, you effing like that.

[Lunchbox]

It's like, what we mean. It just caught me off guard.

[Ray]

It caught me off guard.

[Lunchbox]

I mean, it caught me off guard. I mean, he's f that guy. And he pointed, right? And I was like, what?

[Ray]

But I didn't answer him. I was just like, what? What should I have said? I should have Been like, no, I don't effing like it.

[Lunchbox]

No, actually, I don't like it. Get off me. Get off me.

[Ray]

Stop.

[Jo Winterstein]

Stop.

[Lunchbox]

No, no. You remember his name? No.

[Ray]

You could probably find it online.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah, because you got pinned. I can't believe you got pinned, dude.

[Ray]

Oh, I definitely got pinned. You kidding me, dude? It's the easiest way to end a match if I couldn't beat the person.

[Lunchbox]

Were you good? I don't know about wrestling. Like, was it. Were you good at wrestling or not good at wrestling?

[Ray]

I was really good, but, I mean, there were kids that would weigh 150 and lose 30 pounds, and I'm wrestling them. You could then gain 15 pounds, dude. I'm wrestling a guy 15 pounds heavier than me. And I mean. And also, like, when you're. You're kind of out of.

[Lunchbox]

Like, you're out of breath.

[Ray]

Out of breath, but they're cutting off your circulation. So, yeah, you literally do give up when you get pinned. You get give up. So if you're, like, short on breath effort, give up. No, I don't like it.

[Lunchbox]

But. But. But I'm going to lay here and take it.

[Ray]

I mean, I put multiple people in the hospital just because there's the person that doesn't ever give up to get pinned, and then there's the person that kind of gives up. Like, me. I didn't want my airway cut off. Boom.

[Lunchbox]

Pen me.

[Ray]

I don't care. But, like, some of the people I wrestle, I put them in the hospital because the moves that I would do would cut off their airway and, like, didn't pass out. Ambulance comes in, I'm like, guys, you can give up.

[Lunchbox]

Really? Yeah.

[Ray]

So those people are probably, like, presidents of companies now, because I'm like, dang, they didn't give up until they did pass down and died.

[Lunchbox]

I do like that. Like the ufc. Like, I love it when people don't tap. Like, they're just like, no, break my arm. Choke me out. I'm like. I'd be like, I don't like this. Let me out of here. I have speaking out of here. We'll take a break.

[Ray]

Can we tap out?

[Lunchbox]

Yeah, we're about to tap out. All right, man.

[Ray]

We got a tap.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah, we got a tap. We got to get going, man. And I talked to Batter's Box yesterday, and he called. I call him. I'm like, what's up? He's like, what's up? And I was like, nothing. What are you doing? He goes, I'm on the pod. I don't want to be on the pod. I was like, you're not on the pod. He goes, I can tell. I can hear Ray in the background. What up, everybody? It's batters box here with pod fear.

[Ray]

It's a real thing.

[Lunchbox]

I said, you don't hear Ray go. See, I hear a voice. That's Ray, get me off the pod. I don't want to be on the pod.

[Ray]

That's amazing.

[Lunchbox]

And I'm like, you're not on the pod. And I. I honked the horn. He goes, that's a sound effect that I'm on the pot. I don't want to be on the pod. He's like, call me later. And I'm like, you're not on the pod. And he goes, bye. You're not on the pod, dude.

[Ray]

Sunday scaries, boat fear. And then pod fear. It's a real thing.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah. He was like, I'm on the pod. And I was like, you know what you need to do? It's A R, E, L, A, X. I mean, I hate quoting Aaron Rodgers, but you need to relax. You weren't on the pod. I wasn't going to put you on the pod. I don't always put you on the pod. It's like once a year I call you and you're on the pod. Let's relax. Oh, all right. Anything else you want to talk about, man?

[Ray]

Boomer Law, State championship.

[Lunchbox]

Oh, he was in the championship.

[Ray]

No, it was the first game of the playoffs. Oh, let me. Let me ask you this question, though.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah.

[Ray]

Two minutes left, the game's tied, and the team's gonna run the clock out.

[Lunchbox]

Oh. Cause there's no shot clock.

[Ray]

No shot clock in high school basketball. And they're. And they're gonna run it out, but they're doing passes and they're moving the ball. It's not just like. They're just chilling, like they're legit playing basketball.

[Lunchbox]

Boom pass.

[Ray]

Boom pass. Boom pass. What do you do?

[Lunchbox]

Foul.

[Ray]

That's what I said, too, because Boomer's team didn't foul. The team runs the entire clock out, takes the final shot of the game. They missed. Thank God it went to overtime. But I just asked my dad, I said, the play has to be you foul.

[Lunchbox]

You had to foul. You had to foul because you got to get. You got to hope they're not going to make their free throws and you got to get yourself a possession.

[Ray]

And my. My reasoning was, to my dad was they obviously should have fouled right away at the two minute mark. Give you more Game time. But if you were to have played out how it did, they almost didn't even give themselves an opportunity to have overtime. Luckily the kid missed the shot. But you can't just play back and let them shoot a shot with seven seconds left. Yeah, there has to be a better play than that.

[Lunchbox]

Has to be. I mean when we were my high school, Anderson High School, Chris Crack, Chris Clack, William Stringfellow, they were in the state championship and they were playing the Bumblebees or the yellow Jackets, I don't remember which one it was. There's a yellow jacket. Stephen Jackson, former NBA player, was on the team. They got up by six in the like first half. They started playing four corners. Started playing four corners just trying to waste the clock in the state championship at the Irwin center in Austin, Texas because they were so scared of Chris Clack and William street fellow.

[Ray]

The winning team or the losing team?

[Lunchbox]

The winning team was up by six in the first half. Started playing four corners.

[Ray]

But isn't four corners hard?

[Lunchbox]

They're just passing the ball around the perimeter so they waste clock.

[Ray]

Got it.

[Lunchbox]

They were trying to limit possessions. We ended up losing back to back state titles. Rough man. And I got an email. Just listen to the PO Yesterday's pod. Thank you for all the birthday shout out for my husband. Definitely one of the coolest birthday gifts ever. He loved it also. Yes, I'm his wife. To be fair. Ray, Jaden is more commonly a boy name. Thank you for all helping make a wonderful husband's birthday. Super cool. May God bless you Jaden, the girl.

[Ray]

They pay you on cameo or what?

[Lunchbox]

No, we said happy birthday on here and this is Jaden responding. They actually heard it. She was like can you make my husband's birthday special? A lot of people would never reply and say they heard it. So thank you Jaden. And she wanted to let you know she is a woman.

[Ray]

We got to tap out.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah, we're out. Hey guys, we are going to be on the cruise ship so if you're looking for us look at the socials. We may go live from the cruise ship. Yeah. Have a great weekend guys. We out of here and remember this weekend to R E L A X. Relax.

[Ray]

This is like another convention.

[Lunchbox]

I know. But not as much fun because it's not all of Sore losers Nation.

[Ray]

I'm not even fully recovered.

[Lunchbox]

Well get ready because Lori and Travis are on the boat, man. They're on the boat. That's 2 of the nation. That's the only 2. I know. That's the only 2 I know. Let's go.

[Stephanie Young]

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[Jo Winterstein]

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