Dr. Josie Horchak (3:19)

You're listening to in the Vet's Office with Dr. Josie Horchak.

Taryn Feldman (3:26)

It's interesting you say, like, I do think there's a huge portion to having to advocate for your own pet. And honestly, in human medicine too, you have to advocate for yourself.

Unknown Speaker 1 (3:36)

Yeah.

Taryn Feldman (3:37)

And it's because it is at the end of the day like you're working with these massive hospital systems and people that don't know your animals like you do. And so I think, I'm sorry you had that experience, but I do understand like having to advocate for your own animals. And I hope that some of the time that you got with her and like doing that surgery, like she would not have had those two months if you hadn't done it.

Unknown Speaker 1 (3:58)

So hopefully. No, I mean, you got more time either way. I got a little bit more time that I really didn't know. I thought they were like, you could. She'll probably last till December, which was around my birthday, which was my 40th birthday. So I was going to go to Bali, I was going to do all stuff and I just put everything on hold, which is not a big deal. I could care less, but. And then I just lost her like so much sooner. I was like, oh yeah.

Taryn Feldman (4:21)

You're like, damn.

Unknown Speaker 1 (4:22)

Yeah, I know. But you just, you just don't know. And I would have done it the same way again.

Matt Castle (4:26)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1 (4:28)

Like the end of her life was like so peaceful and so like what a great. Like you. You only hope that you can like have your pet die in your arms or. I do at least.

Taryn Feldman (4:42)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1 (4:42)

Like I don't. Some people can't handle or they think they can't, but they can.

Taryn Feldman (4:47)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1 (4:47)

But that's like, my hope is that, like, all my dogs just die in my arms.

Taryn Feldman (4:51)

Yeah, absolutely. With the person they love the most. You're kind of ushering them out of this world.

Unknown Speaker 2 (4:57)

Yeah.

Taryn Feldman (4:57)

Because ultimately they're the most comfortable in your arms.

Unknown Speaker 1 (4:59)

Right. So far I've had that's happened with Laila and. And Twyla.

Taryn Feldman (5:03)

Yes.

Unknown Speaker 1 (5:04)

So, yes. I'm so grateful.

Taryn Feldman (5:07)

So, Layla. Gosh, we're going from one sad story to another.

Unknown Speaker 1 (5:10)

I know. So Twyla died September 24, and then Layla died September 30.

Dr. Josie Horchak (5:15)

Really?

Taryn Feldman (5:15)

I didn't know that. Yeah, one year almost. Oh, my gosh.

Unknown Speaker 1 (5:20)

And then Lucy's probably quick dog Hack. Don't get multiple dogs the same age. Just don't do it.

Matt Castle (5:28)

Just stay.

Taryn Feldman (5:29)

Stagger.

Unknown Speaker 1 (5:29)

Why would you do that?

Taryn Feldman (5:30)

Stagger the ages.

Bobby Bones (5:31)

I did.

Unknown Speaker 1 (5:32)

That was so dumb.

Matt Castle (5:33)

Yeah.

Taryn Feldman (5:34)

Yeah. We're having a little bit of a domino effect right now.

Unknown Speaker 1 (5:37)

Yeah. Yeah.

Taryn Feldman (5:38)

Well, Layla was another one where you called me and you're like, I think it might be time. And I really. This really resonated with me because we got on the phone and again, I have two different kinds of owners that are like, I. Maybe not even two different kinds, but I like what you said. You were just like, I need you to come look at this dog and be objective and tell me, is this the right decision or is it not the right decision? And I think we as veterinarians, kind of forget that that is our job is to help guide you. And, like, we. And I don't want the owners to ever have to, like, feel like they're the judge and jury with their dog's passing, you know, like, I. That's on me. Like, I should help you make that decision.

Bobby Bones (6:16)

Right.

Taryn Feldman (6:17)

And so I totally got that. And I hope that if there's any veterinarians listening out there, like, we remember that, like, we should be the ones throwing euthanasia on the table and saying, like, it's okay and, like, this is the right decision to be making for this pet.

Unknown Speaker 1 (6:32)

Yeah.

Taryn Feldman (6:33)

Because it's really hard. Even myself, as a vet, when it's my own dog, I had to have my husband be like, it's time.

Unknown Speaker 1 (6:39)

Yeah.

Taryn Feldman (6:39)

You lose all. When it's your own pet, you lose all objectiveness.

Unknown Speaker 1 (6:43)

Yeah. And it's weird. I mean, I definitely think Twyla prepped me for Laila. But you don't. You, like, you think you're like, my life's gonna be over when this dog dies. Hell will freeze over. Like, I'll die. But there's something that kicks in And I think it's just your love for them.

Taryn Feldman (7:03)

Yes.

Unknown Speaker 1 (7:04)

That you just. You love them so much that you're just like, I'm not putting you through another ounce. You can't bear to see them suffer of, like, pain. And I think that's like, just ultimately what it was. So, like an easy. Even though it's not an easy decision, but it made it easier. Just. You just know she's in pain. That's it. It's done.

Unknown Speaker 3 (7:29)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1 (7:31)

And if you have an old dog, how wonderful is that?

Taryn Feldman (7:36)

The luckiest.

Unknown Speaker 1 (7:37)

Layla was 16.

Taryn Feldman (7:38)

Yeah. That's unbelievable.

Unknown Speaker 1 (7:40)

Unbelievable. Twyla was 11 or 12. I'll never know, but I think she was like 11 or 12. She may have been 13. And Lucy's 16 and a half.

Taryn Feldman (7:54)

Amazing. She's trucking.

Matt Castle (7:56)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1 (7:57)

And I feel like she's got, like, another six months left in her.

Taryn Feldman (8:00)

I love that. Hopefully longer. It is funny at the end, I feel like we cling on to, like, oh, but I don't want to live without them. I don't want, like, I can't bear this pain of losing them. But ultimately, just like you said. But I love them more than I love myself and I can't keep them alive just to make me less sad for a few more days.

Unknown Speaker 1 (8:19)

Well, and with Laila, Twyla didn't. She wasn't that old that her. She was still Twyla. Layla wasn't Laila anymore. And Laila hadn't been Laila in a really long time. After she died, I was going through old videos, old photos, and I'm just like, oh, I didn't realize. I've just gotten so used to taking care, like, of these geriatric dogs running a nursing home. They're just not even themselves anymore. They're so different, you know? Which just gave me a little bit more peace of.

Taryn Feldman (8:54)

Did you ever feel like there's something called caregiver? Like, compassion overload? Did you ever feel that where you're like, this is, like, tough on me, or you're just like, no, I love them so much that I don't even think about it.

Unknown Speaker 1 (9:06)

No. The last, like, year and a half, two years have been really hard.

Taryn Feldman (9:11)

I bet.

Unknown Speaker 1 (9:12)

I bet it's extremely hard taking care of old dogs and then having them die back to back.

Unknown Speaker 2 (9:17)

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1 (9:18)

And just all I do is take, worry about them, take care of them, fork out money.

Unknown Speaker 4 (9:31)

A lot of labels would say, like, we love what you do, we just don't know what to do with you. And I would be met with that all the Time. And so I think you just gotta keep making music. Well, and, you know, this whole Big Loud thing, like, I talked to you after that happened, and do you want.

Bobby Bones (9:52)

To say what that is before you talk about it? Do you mind talking what?

Unknown Speaker 4 (9:55)

Saying, no, I haven't gotten to talk about it.

Bobby Bones (9:57)

Would you like to talk about it?

Unknown Speaker 4 (9:58)

Yeah.

Bobby Bones (9:59)

So then let's back up. And first of all, Big Loud is a label.

Unknown Speaker 1 (10:05)

Yes.

Bobby Bones (10:06)

It's also management. It's a thing. But they signed you.

Unknown Speaker 4 (10:09)

They signed me. And, like, they are, you know, by all conventional standards, crushing it. They, at the time that I signed with them, had Morgan, Wallen and Hardy and Ernest, and they were trying to expand, and I had already made no One Gets Out Alive. The record was done. It was mastered. I was probably gonna just release it the way I'd released my previous two albums, which is change the whole thing.

Bobby Bones (10:40)

No, no, no. You say released it as you did.

Unknown Speaker 4 (10:42)

Your last two albums, just independently.

Unknown Speaker 3 (10:44)

Got it.

Unknown Speaker 4 (10:44)

Like, with a. I have a good team of publicists and distributors, and, you know, we would hire independent promotion and everything more for AAA radio and Americana focuses. But Nate Yetton heard this record, and he was hired as an A and R, which is kind of the. Could be the coolest job ever. Your job is to go find good music, cultivate the talent.

Bobby Bones (11:08)

Let's go find it and build it.

Unknown Speaker 4 (11:11)

His specific objective with Big Loud was to broaden their musical roster to find critical acclaim. Like he told me and my husband Austin, he's like, you know, we want a Grammy.

Bobby Bones (11:26)

Critical acclaim. By the way, artists that you're respected for having but may not be commercially as viable, but you're like, they're really good, and the critics love them. But. And there's a difference. But they wanted something that wasn't populist type, because Morgan's killing. Hardy's killing it. And people will be like, well, you got. You got people that are making hits. They wanted a symphony.

Unknown Speaker 4 (11:51)

Yeah.

Bobby Bones (11:51)

And that's you. They wanted you.

Unknown Speaker 4 (11:53)

I was totally flattered and inspired by the vision, and it was surprising to me. I don't feel like I was definitely the outlier on their roster. And in terms of critical acclaim, like, no, I'm not shy about saying that. We've had no shortage of that the last couple of records. And that goes back to your question about, you know, frustration and myself and people. It's like, yeah, that was there.

Bobby Bones (12:19)

But I think credibility is another word I would use not to interrupt you. I just want to make sure our audience knows what's going on. I think they wanted credibility for music with depth.

Unknown Speaker 4 (12:27)

Yeah.

Bobby Bones (12:28)

Not that the other guys don't have it, but they're killing it. Again, I'll use the word populist in a very populous way. They want a credibility.

Unknown Speaker 4 (12:36)

Right.

Bobby Bones (12:36)

Yeah.

Matt Castle (12:37)

Well.

Unknown Speaker 4 (12:37)

And I think they're a young enough company that that was the right time for them to then take that step in the direction to say, okay, we can do more than just have these massive streaming darlings and, you know, go direct to consumer and have a hit. And I have no doubt that they love this record. Like, that's not something that I negate and I appreciate their vision in it, but, like, it was an undeniable offer. It was like, we're going to acquire this whole album. We made beautiful music videos. We did all this incredible artwork and packaging with Sophia Matinezad and Nikki Fletcher shooting these videos. And they talked about partnering with Polydor out of UK and just how this was going to be an adult contemporary pop album. And they were really going to strategize on the marketing plan, like.

Bobby Bones (13:37)

And they were promising and using resources.

Unknown Speaker 4 (13:39)

Yes. And it wasn't like they implemented those resources in a lot of ways. And, you know, I'd already waited to put this music out, so with that promise of this plan, I waited a little longer. And it came out in April of 24, and they put billboards all over East Nashville and we did these showcases in New York City and la and, you know, we got on, like, these great reviews upon the release. And then it was like radio silence.

Bobby Bones (14:16)

Which is what they were looking for, by the way, to have an artist that would be reviewed wonderfully by critics.

Unknown Speaker 4 (14:22)

Right.

Bobby Bones (14:22)

This. The snobby part, which is important.

Unknown Speaker 4 (14:25)

Yeah, yeah.

Bobby Bones (14:26)

The people that.

Unknown Speaker 3 (14:27)

Yeah.

Bobby Bones (14:27)

So you get every. You get what they brought you to do. You've created something. And what you created was exactly what they had asked you to do. You went and did it all. And then. Silent.

Unknown Speaker 4 (14:37)

Yeah.

Bobby Bones (14:38)

From who? What do you mean, silent?

Unknown Speaker 4 (14:39)

Like, from. And there's a lot of people. Like, I think Candice Watkins is amazing there. She was really engaged. And I'm not sure that she. She, like me, I think, was blindsided about the whole thing, but I'm out on the road. I'm on the no One Gets Out Alive tour. I find out that some of the digital marketing spending is comparable to what I did on my own with one song on the previous record. And it's like all this investment leading up to the release, and then it's like someone freaked out or something happens and I can speculate. And I can only speculate because no one's called me and told me what's happened.

Bobby Bones (15:24)

What do you think happened?

Unknown Speaker 4 (15:26)

I think Seth England had a falling out with Morgan Wallen and freaked out and dropped me and a lot of other people who had stuff going on. And I also think that they realized that they didn't have the capacity within their staff to work the kind of music I was releasing. So they are great with Spotify and these streaming services and all that stuff, but like the nuance that they talked about using with this music, they didn't have it. They just didn't have the stuff. And it was three months after we put this record out. Like, it can't be based on metrics. It can't be based on analytics of how the music is performing. It hasn't even been out long enough.

Matt Castle (16:16)

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Mike D (19:08)

There was something sentimental when you like when you send it, it's like, do I send the heart?

Bobby Bones (19:14)

Now I don't like the color edition.

Mike D (19:16)

It's extremely pink.

Bobby Bones (19:17)

Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

Mike D (19:24)

Consider this is a daily news podcast.

Matt Castle (19:26)

And lately the news is about a big question.

Bobby Bones (19:30)

How much can one guy change?

Unknown Speaker 3 (19:33)

They want change.

Bobby Bones (19:34)

What will change look like for energy?

Matt Castle (19:36)

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Bobby Bones (19:48)

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Unknown Speaker 3 (20:28)

You're kicking it with four things with Amy Brown.

Unknown Speaker 2 (20:33)

Third quote. You're not stressed because you're doing too much. You are stressed because you are doing too little of what makes you feel the most alive. I'm gonna say that one again. You're not stressed because you're doing too much. You are stressed because you're doing too little of what makes you feel the most alive. Which I guess I should say that with these quotes, I did a lot of research, and there's not any one person that said these things first. I feel like these have been said in a few different ways lots of times over and over. So we're just more unknown quotes. So, again, you're not stressed because you are doing too much. You are stressed because you're doing too little of what makes you feel the most alive. And I read that again because this is one that I need to read. Often it flips the script on stress. Like, we always think I need to do less. That's why I say I need this quote more and more, because I say that that is me on my hinge profile. A long time ago. It was like, well, do you want to do this year? And I just kept my answer short and sweet, and I just said, do less. And some of the guys that would, you know, initiate conversation with me around that, they'd be like, oh, I love that. And then I could tell the other guys weren't really feeling that answer, and they would, like, challenge it a little bit. And I don't know, for me, in that moment, that's what I felt resonated with me the most. For the year, I wanted to do less. But the example that I got for you of someone that I don't even know, like, let's say someone's plate is full. Like, they've got work meetings. They've got, like, a full kid calendar. There's chores, there's errands. We all know what that is. Like, they're running on empty, exhausted. But when was the last time that maybe they did something that truly lit them up? Like, maybe this person loves painting or hiking or even just sitting at a coffee shop with a good book. Adding one thing that makes you feel alive can completely shift your energy. And sometimes it's not about doing less. It's about doing more of the right things. But sometimes we just have a lot of things to get done that are just on our list to get done, and we don't really have a choice, because if we don't do them, how will they get done? I mean, we can have help and different people that we work with and whatnot, but still, there can be an ongoing list of things that we need to get done, and it can feel overwhelming. But if you sprinkle in the things that give you that joy that fill your cup up. Leanne and I were actually even talking about this today with each other, of community and connection with friends and how sometimes we isolate and we think we're having solitude, but it turns into isolation, and then we don't really have community and connection with our friends, and we don't realize that's all we need. And if we were to have one hike with a friend, one coffee date with a friend, even one chat with a friend over the phone or FaceTime or something, instantly our cup can start to fill up and our energy can start to shift. So it doesn't have to be this drastic thing. It can be as simple as a phone call with a friend. So take that little nugget and, yeah, Houston, roll that beautiful Leanne audio.

Taryn Feldman (24:02)

Okay, so this message hit me like a ton of bricks when I first, you know, got the memo, because for so long, I thought I was stressed because I had too much on my plate.

Unknown Speaker 5 (24:10)

But what I've come to realize is that my stress wasn't from doing too much.

Taryn Feldman (24:15)

It was from who I was or wasn't being when I was doing the doing. And for me, I was trying to.

Unknown Speaker 5 (24:22)

Do all the things from a place of stress or disorder or just, you know, t total lack of belief in myself. And then the big one for me was doing all the things that I thought I was supposed to do or.

Taryn Feldman (24:33)

That I thought that I was supposed.

Unknown Speaker 5 (24:35)

To want to do and totally ignoring.

Taryn Feldman (24:37)

What makes me more of who I am and what truly lights me up.

Unknown Speaker 5 (24:41)

And when I finally started prioritizing the.

Taryn Feldman (24:43)

Things that made me feel alive, and that's things like, you know, writing and teaching what I'm meant to be teaching and connecting with people who just get me, or, you know, just simple things like taking a walk outside and feeling.

Unknown Speaker 5 (24:55)

The sunshine on my face and knowing.

Taryn Feldman (24:57)

That those things do have value, even.

Unknown Speaker 5 (25:00)

If, you know, society doesn't necessarily deem that stuff productive.

Taryn Feldman (25:03)

All of that completely shifted my relationship with stress and that hustle mentality.

Unknown Speaker 5 (25:09)

And I actually just talked about this.

Taryn Feldman (25:10)

On the Godpod, about how I navigate.

Unknown Speaker 5 (25:12)

The noise and find peace in a world of overstimulation.

Unknown Speaker 2 (25:17)

The lesson you struggle with will repeat itself until you learn from it. Now, this one is a little tough love, that's for sure, but it is so true. Like, life has a way of sending us the same challenges over and over until we figure out what we're supposed to learn. And I know that I have certainly seen that happen in my own life. Imagine someone who keeps ending up in toxic friendships. Like they're always the one giving, always the one fixing, and it always ends in drama. Like it's easy to blame the other person. But what if the real lesson is about boundaries? And until this person learns how to set boundaries, then they're going to keep finding themselves in the same situation. Once they get it, though, it really is a total game changer and the pattern will stop and they will move forward stronger than ever. But the lesson will keep popping up. So if you have something going on in your life and you're like, ugh, why does this keep happening to me? Maybe say, oh, wow, this just happened again. I recognize this. What am I supposed to be learning from this? Invite the information to come to you. Invite the lesson in. Ask questions. If you are confiding in a friend, like, say you're this person that ends up in these toxic friendships, right? What if you have a confidant that you can talk to about these toxic friendships and they notice it too? Are you going to be willing to receive that information from a trusted friend? Can you open up to that friend and say, hey, I'd love to get your insight on something. Like, I keep ending up in these same patterns. Is there anything you notice that I could do differently? Or if you have a therapist being honest about these relationships instead of just going into the conversation with your friend and gossiping about the toxic person and just being the victim and talking all about what this other person did, Open up to where you could have done some things differently.

Mike D (27:24)

We're gonna do it live. We are the 1, 2, 3.

Matt Castle (27:28)

Sore loser. What up, everybody? I am Lunchbox. I know the most about sports. So I'll give you the sports facts, my sports opinions, because I'm pretty much a sports genius, y'all.

Mike D (27:40)

It's Sizzin. I'm from the north. I'm an alpha male. I live on the north side of Nashville with Bazer, my wife. We do have a farm. It's beautiful. A lot of acreage, no animals, a lot of crops. Hopefully soon, corn, pumpkins, rye, I believe, maybe a little fescue to be determined. Over to you, coach.

Matt Castle (28:01)

And here's a clip from this week's episode of the Sore Losers. So Bri, who I told at the beginning of the night she was going to get to meet Keith Urban, and I just totally made it up. Got her picture with Keith Urban.

Mike D (28:14)

Yeah, she.

Matt Castle (28:17)

That is what happens when you come to coach's convention. You don't know what's going to Happen the time of her life. She's about to go on the ice, and she meets Keith Urban.

Mike D (28:28)

That's why you're big time, dude. That's why I sent you down. In lieu of arm around her.

Matt Castle (28:32)

Keith Urban put his arm around Brie, was like, let's take a picture.

Mike D (28:36)

I sent you forth as tribute on of the ice. I said, I am 15 nooners deep. I am floating.

Matt Castle (28:43)

And she was on cloud nine after that. She was like, oh, my gosh. And I was like, I'm sorry, my camera's not that good. My phone is old Polaroid. I hope it is not too blurry. And she looked at it. She goes, oh, it is a little blurry. I'm like, oh, Bri, I'm sorry. She goes, but I love it.

Bobby Bones (29:00)

It's perfect.

Mike D (29:00)

It was a live pick. You got one chance, got one shot, one opportunity. Not the Lions. Ray Eminem screwed him. So Haley.

Matt Castle (29:06)

Yeah. And so then we go down to the ice a mile, and let me tell you, they're getting in their orbs.

Mike D (29:10)

We already talked about the orb. Did you just jump sell?

Matt Castle (29:13)

And then downstairs.

Bobby Bones (29:16)

What?

Mike D (29:16)

The cliffhanger.

Matt Castle (29:17)

And we're about to go on the ice, dude. And I'm standing there with Wayne D, and I'm telling him how, last year you gave daps to the referees. I did, yes.

Mike D (29:26)

I 15 deep that year, too.

Matt Castle (29:29)

And Wayne D goes, oh, man, these refs, they think they're big shit. They think they're all important. They think they're so amazing. They come off all, like, badasses. Like they're, you know, run this world. Like, hey, bro, your job is to babysit millionaires that play hockey. You. No one cares about you guys. So they're. They're coming off the ice in between the second, third period, and I get my camera out, and I'm filming, and I'm like, hey, good job keeping them in line out there. They're misbehaving a lot tonight. And the ref goes, what'd you say to me? Who are you? Who is this guy? Who is this guy? What's he doing down here? And Wayne D Is like, he's good. Don't worry about it. He's like, what did. What did you. Why are you talking to me?

Mike D (30:11)

Who's Wendy? Your sponsor now?

Matt Castle (30:13)

Wayne D's afternoons.

Mike D (30:13)

Dude, I know. I was setting you up for that.

Matt Castle (30:15)

Gotcha. Does afternoons here on W6.

Mike D (30:18)

Good. Dude, he hooked up Abby Arnold's wife. Girlfriend singing the national anthem.

Matt Castle (30:22)

Correct. And the ref just. And then the ref, there's Reference. That wasn't even out there when I said it. He comes off the ice and gives me a look like, what's your problem?

Mike D (30:30)

So they just don't like people picking on him during the intermission.

Unknown Speaker 3 (30:33)

Dude.

Matt Castle (30:34)

I told him, good job. Those guys are really misbehaving out there tonight. You guys are doing a good job of keeping them in line after review.

Mike D (30:41)

I see nothing wrong.

Matt Castle (30:42)

Gave him a compliment. Dude, what did you say? What'd you say to me? Who are you? What's he doing down here?

Mike D (30:48)

What'd you start doing? I was like, sorry, sir.

Matt Castle (30:51)

I said, you're doing a good job. And Wayne D's like, he's fine. He's fine. Get out of here. Get out of here.

Mike D (30:57)

You get in a fight, dude.

Matt Castle (30:59)

I thought I was about to get kicked out of the frickin arena.

Mike D (31:02)

We were hosting the night.

Matt Castle (31:03)

I was about to go on ice with Bri and Carolyn when they were gonna do their thing and I was gonna speak into the microphone.

Mike D (31:09)

Family. It is taking a plot twist. Dad's going to jail. He just got kicked out of the game.

Matt Castle (31:14)

Yeah. The ref, number five. Referee, number five, got pissed off because I say he was doing a good job.

Mike D (31:19)

Probably a Michigan guy. Hey, slap it and whack it on the ice.

Matt Castle (31:22)

They got so pissed off.

Mike D (31:23)

Hey, to Michigan. Yeah, that old pond.

Bobby Bones (31:26)

Nothing like that.

Mike D (31:26)

Kind of I say riff.

Matt Castle (31:27)

Yeah, Dude.

Mike D (31:28)

Doing good there. A lot of snow up there, eh? Low temps. Good. Good call there, eh? That's probably what I'd have done if I was down there. Yeah.

Matt Castle (31:35)

He wasn't happy with me. So we do the orb thing. We go the game. Preds win. We're up there in this Grand Hyatt suite. Thank you to the Grand Hyatt for hosting us and everything you do. You're amazing.

Mike D (31:45)

Words can't express. We don't do sweets.

Matt Castle (31:48)

No, we don't do sweets. We don't do sweets.

Mike D (31:50)

You know what? Damn right. We did it on Saturday.

Matt Castle (31:52)

You know what we did? We damn. Said sweets. We're like, all right. Grand.

Bobby Bones (31:55)

I.

Matt Castle (31:55)

You know what I mean? I'm in. And the National Predators. Thank you for the happy hour. Thank you for hosting us. Thank you for letting two girls dream come true. To get down on. Hold on. To get down on the ice. I mean, it was awesome. It was phenomenal. Great, great overall event. Then we went out on Broadway, man, and I dipped out. Like right when you were getting kicked out of the bar, I dipped out the back door.

Mike D (32:15)

I know. We're going to go to commercial. They reviewed the tape and said I did nothing wrong. It was a one foot on the stage. Acted like I was going to jump on stage but then immediately jump back.

Matt Castle (32:24)

Yeah.

Mike D (32:24)

And I believe it was a manager or somebody there that I found out through our friends at stage Pilot. They said they reviewed it. They actually have to do that on stuff like that. I did nothing wrong.

Matt Castle (32:32)

Oh, okay. And your sister was pretty hammered, Muff. And she was just going around the.

Mike D (32:37)

Bar and good showing, Muff.

Matt Castle (32:39)

She was just yelling at everybody. She would go, hey, you, you. Yeah, that lion's loss. That's on you. That's on you.

Mike D (32:44)

People said that she was knocking on car windows and they'd roll it down. She'd be like, that loss. That was on you guys.

Matt Castle (32:49)

That was on you guys.

Mike D (32:50)

What are you talking about? I'm driving an Uber.

Matt Castle (32:52)

And one guy goes, I'm from Israel. I don't know what you mean. She was like, oh, yeah. You know, it's. Yeah.

Mike D (33:02)

I mean, somebody's got to get blamed for that, man.

Matt Castle (33:04)

Needless to say, she still made her 6:00am flight, man.

Mike D (33:06)

That she told me it took her whole all week to recover.

Matt Castle (33:09)

I bet now we'll take a break and we'll go. We'll talk about Sunday. We'll be right back. Dude, Sunday morning. Escape game. Nashville, dude. Never done it.

Mike D (33:22)

Convenient. Right next to Broad, right next to.

Matt Castle (33:25)

Broadway, right off Broadway, right downtown. You get locked in a room, you got to figure out these clues, get these keys to get out of there to get to another room, to another room. And then you're finally escape. You have one hour to do it. And we did schoolyard pick. And I, of course, I'm taking Carl from West Point first. No problem.

Mike D (33:43)

Took his wife.

Matt Castle (33:44)

Yeah, you took his wife. You took Becky. And she's been in bed all week sick. So there must have been something going on in your room that everybody was sick. And then I pretty much drafted everybody that was on my axe throwing team. I wanted him back. I wanted redemption because I knew I had a smart team. I knew I had a good team. And, dude, that was the most fun. I loved the Escape Room.

Mike D (34:05)

Guys, people have said it. Vegas, you got to do flamingos and fountains. Not just slots and fun or slots and what's an F? What's an F?

Matt Castle (34:14)

And mountains.

Mike D (34:15)

Pow.

Matt Castle (34:16)

Gamma fairies.

Mike D (34:17)

Yes, that you got it in Ferris wheels. Do something else. And that's what escape Game is. It's not all drinking on Broadway do that. Dude, we got our minds working. The most I've laughed might be in a skate Game Hilarious. Because everybody's making fun of everybody. At one point, dude, I did the math wrong. You know, guys, I'm known as the mathematician on the show. And the lady comes over the interscom and she goes, if you need a hint, do the math again. I would. Did 5 and 7 is 12, and it was like 5 and 6 is 13. So totally did the math wrong.

Matt Castle (34:45)

That's pretty impressive.

Bobby Bones (34:46)

Yeah.

Mike D (34:46)

So it was stuff like that. And you got Joe. At one point there was a thing. I don't want to ruin it, but.

Matt Castle (34:50)

He was ball sacking you.

Mike D (34:51)

He had to reach up and it was at the exact same time simultaneously. I had to reach down. So if you do it properly, somebody's going to be on all fours and the other person's going to be. Their legs are over your head. And I mean, it looked like me and him were banging.

Matt Castle (35:05)

Yeah, it did look like that. It was pretty weird.

Mike D (35:08)

But I said, joe, you want to get in the next room or not? Teabag me.

Matt Castle (35:12)

Yeah, we, we. I mean, it was just so funny when you think you discover something. Oh, I got it, I got it. And then it doesn't work. Oh, never mind. You get so excited, then let down. They're so excited and laughing and I mean, we were. My team got locked in two separate cells, so we only had three people in each room. We were in two separate rooms and we had to communicate through the walls and stuff. It was so freaking fun.

Mike D (35:32)

West Point, his wife, she was great, plugging in those numbers and everything like that. I kind of floated. I would do a lot of the math type stuff. Day ones up and down. Dude, at one point she was on all fours. Day ones on all four. Ryan. Dude, I was on my back at another point, another person on all fours. It was one of those where you had to be low, up, down. It didn't matter what you were doing in there. How do you escape? Hence the name. Yeah, Escape game.

Matt Castle (35:58)

It's not about looking good in there. And I, I, I, we, we talked about this. How funny is it? The people that work there just watching us run around like a bunch of idiots running from spot to spot thinking we got something. Oh, no, no, that doesn't work. Oh, trying this. And we. They have to laugh their ass off.

Mike D (36:14)

Yeah. And our biggest fault, guys, take note of this. We tried to do six things at once. Jump and accomplish one task because we's family. Instead you had the kid doing the dishes, the dad cutting firewood, the mom quilting, the other son reading a comic book. Work as a Family and do one task at a time, which is what we should have done. It was our biggest fault. You guys killed us.

Matt Castle (36:36)

We.

Mike D (36:37)

When I told you we were supposed to get three clues, we knew we'd already lost. We got five clues. We got another five. We got. We got no less than 15 clues. And we still. I guess we finished. And they added five minutes to our time, bro. That we didn't even come damn close to beating you guys.

Matt Castle (36:52)

We. We needed one clue to escape. We needed one clue. We were down to four minutes on the clock when we got our one clue.

Mike D (36:59)

Tell me right now, damn it is West Point. Is he mensa?

Matt Castle (37:02)

He's Mensa.

Dr. Josie Horchak (37:16)

Take this personally with Morgan Huelsman.

Matt Castle (37:23)

Anybody who has followed me for a long time is gonna be like, this is a no brainer episode. I'm so excited because this week I am joined by Katherine Hurley, who is one of the founders of Wags and Walks, which is a huge rescue organization for animals. And I'm just so excited to have this conversation. Catherine, thank you for joining me. How are you?

Unknown Speaker 5 (37:46)

I'm great. I'm so excited to be here. Thank you for having us and highlighting our work.

Matt Castle (37:51)

Turning to that really big crisis that we are in right now.

Taryn Feldman (37:55)

Yeah, I've seen it.

Dr. Josie Horchak (37:56)

I mean, I'm. I'm on so many different Facebook pages.

Matt Castle (37:59)

It's all over my feeds of just the abandonment that's happening, the breeder crisis, the. The lack of resources, everything. What is going on right now, like this huge crisis that is happening. And what are some things that people, just a normal person like me can do to help?

Unknown Speaker 5 (38:20)

Yeah, it. It's certainly overwhelming. You know, I've been doing this since I got out of college, so like 12 years. And there was a really short window before COVID where like, we saw some numbers improving and Covid just took us back so far. You know, there are so many different factors on the why behind it. You know, I think a lot of it is, like, people are struggling financially. So you have a whole sect of people that like, probably would keep their dogs but feel like their back is against the wall. And then because there's like a lack of resources to meet them. That's where you see abandonment dogs being dumped. I mean, just the amount of dogs are like, literally like left in apartments because people are like, I'm moving.

Unknown Speaker 4 (39:06)

I.

Unknown Speaker 5 (39:06)

The amount of emails I get. And it's hard, right, to balance empathy for people because you have to have it. Because if you don't, you will be jaded. And at the end of the day like we have to work together to get through the problems. But then on the other hand you get some of these emails or you see these scenarios and you're like, how, how, like how is this what the decision that you made like to literally lock the door, leave and like your dog is still inside and who did you think was going to help you? And that's not even going into the realm of the abuse and the horrible scenarios that can also be the case of it. So as a rescue, it's like you've got this reason and this reason and this reason. So it's like, okay, well what can we do? You know, so going into shelters, it's, and again you, it's hard because you want to balance. Like I said earlier, the Sarah McLachlan commercial and not trying to be that, but also trying to be very honest of what's going on. On is like I go into shelters every single week and I see dogs marked up on their kennels and I'm like, you're dying today. And it does not matter how many dogs that we can try and save every single week, there's, the next day there's going to be dogs that have to be euthanized and there's a massive misconception surrounding shelters and high kill shelters and oh, is that a kill shelter? And when you have a shelter that has 150 kennels and 190 dogs come in, what do you think is going to happen? You know, so I try to tell people it's at the end of the day, it's a community problem. And you cannot blame shelter workers who do what you and I can't even do. Like I couldn't show up to work every day and take care of dogs that are there for whatever rhyme or reason and then euthanize them because no one wants them. Like that is a gut wrenching pill to have to swallow and then go up and do it the next day. So I'm like, I'm so thankful to people that work in shelters because at least being on the rescue side we lose dogs. I have to see really sad things. I have to be a part of really sad things. But I still get to go, I'm helping, I'm making a difference. They of course are as well. But when then you're having to be the one that like is the last person to see a healthy dog get put to sleep. I mean, I don't, it's hard to envision, you know, a more heart wrenching job. So There's a very real crisis going on that, like. And it's not. It's not just the old dogs. It's not dogs with behavior problems. We have taken in so many puppies this year that they're like, no one wants them. It's a litter of black puppies. Like, they're going to get euthanized. Can you take them today? And I think people think that's like, clickbait or like fake information. And it is not in la. In the South. You know, Tennessee's horrible. Texas is horrible. It's everywhere. And it's. It's brutal. You know, we've seen domestic violence went up in Covid. So did animal abuse, hoarding. You know, you have people struggling financially, mental health, all of it. I mean, we went to so many hoarding cases this year. Properties where I'm like, there's literally just dead dogs just on the ground. And you. You disassociate in the moment. But I mean, like, that's something that, like, that stays with you as a person. And so I say to my husband all the time, like, but if they had to go through it and we had to see it, it is my job to make sure people hear it, because I think then if you don't, it's very easy to justify buying your dog or breeding your dog or, you know, it's like, if it's a supply and demand and you're somebody that's choosing to financially benefit off of the breeding of animals, knowing there's an overpopulation issue, I think that at that point it becomes a morality question. How you, how you sit on that side of it, how you value it, is, I guess, a very personal decision. But certainly from my, from where I'm sitting, I'm like, I don't know how someone does that and, and can go to bed feeling good about themselves.

Matt Castle (43:09)

You know, I often tell people when especially like the. The conversation of abandonment comes up. It's. It's obviously a thing that is a very controversial to say.

Dr. Josie Horchak (43:20)

You know, I.

Matt Castle (43:21)

There's not a lot of excuses that I believe in to abandon your animal. There's really not to me.

Unknown Speaker 2 (43:26)

Yeah.

Matt Castle (43:27)

And I know that's a really strong opinion. And I also am somebody who is a. I am in empath, like, huge empathy.

Dr. Josie Horchak (43:35)

My heart is as big as it can possibly get.

Matt Castle (43:38)

But there are so many ways to go about that, and there are so many ways to do something than abandoning or knowing that when you're surrendering your.

Dr. Josie Horchak (43:48)

Animal to a shelter, it is going to die.

Matt Castle (43:51)

And One of my strongest things that.

Dr. Josie Horchak (43:54)

I say that often makes people, you.

Matt Castle (43:56)

Know, stop kind of in their tracks.

Dr. Josie Horchak (43:58)

Is you won't want to abandon your.

Matt Castle (44:02)

Animal or surrender them or get a breeder dog. If you have watched an animal happy getting out of their shelter, walking, thinking they're about to have the best day ever, and they're walking into a room and they don't come out.

Bobby Bones (44:22)

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Mike D (45:57)

There was something sentimental when you, like when you send it, it was like, do I send the heart now?

Bobby Bones (46:03)

I don't like the color edition.

Mike D (46:04)

It's extremely pink.

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Taryn Feldman (46:51)

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Unknown Speaker 2 (46:54)

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Bobby Bones (47:30)

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Unknown Speaker 3 (47:38)

Wherever you get your podcasts. Let's go to work. Hey, it's Mike D. And this week on Movie Mike's movie podcast, I shared my top 10 most anticipated movies movies of 2025. The ones that even if I didn't have this podcast where I review movies every single week, I would still go pay money to watch these in theaters because they look awesome. So I'll show you my top two right now, but be sure to listen to my full episode to hear my entire list because there's a lot of great stuff coming out this year. But right now, here's just a little bit of Movie Mike's Movie podcast at number two. Even more so than the Fantastic Four movie is the other Marvel movie coming out this year that I'm excited for, Captain America, Brave New World, coming out on Valentine's Day, February 14th. This one's right around the corner. We have our new Captain America, Anthony Mackie, which if you missed the Disney plus show, which I feel they kind of wasted it there, you learned so much about his character in that show, but I feel like not a whole lot of people watch that show. So hopefully they don't base a whole lot of this plot on that show, which I think that's something Disney is trying to get away from of not making the movies connect with the TV shows. I think those should be completely separate. And I know Kevin Feige has Always just kind of drilled that mentality of thinking about the bigger picture, making things interlock. But I think and hope that he learned that we don't really want the TV shows to connect with the movies. I think we should kept those separate. I really think the Disney plus show should be entire side quests and not involved with the main MCU storyline. Do it with some side characters, do more animated shows, do more things like X Men 97. They give us a reason to go to Disney plus but not a reason to have to go see things in theaters and go back to you. So hopefully by making that show, it didn't take away from the impact of Sam Wilson taking over for Steve Rogers, which is huge. And I really feel like that reveal on the big screen would have been more impactful because now we've already seen it on Disney plus so there's not going to be that big awe factor because we kind of have already seen it. We've kind of wasted that already. I get why they wanted to make that show, but if you think of how End Game finished with those two characters, if that was the last thing we saw with Chris Evans, giving him the shield and then moving on to this movie, which I guess would have been hard to do because that movie came out like five years ago at this point. I think over that now, it would have been a long time to wait. But still, the trailer does give me some chills. Moments where he says, I'm not Steve Rogers. I feel like it's really going to be Sam coming into his zone, taking over this role, taking on Harrison Ford, who's gonna go from being President Thunderbolt Ross into the Red Hulk. But the action looks up to par with those early Captain America movies, which I think out of any movie in the mcu, it had the best fight scenes. First one, Captain America Civil War. That is what I feel was the creme de la creme of the mcu, the fight scenes in the Captain America movies. But can you do that without Chris Evans at the helm? But I'm so excited for this movie. It's coming out soon. I'm not really that interested of how it's going to play into the timeline. I don't care what this movie sets up. I really don't care about what all these things are building to at this point. I just want individual good movies. Even if the Avengers movies are completely separate from the plot line, I don't really care at this point. I just want to have fun and feel excitement when going to Marvel movies now. But at Number two, I have Captain America, Brave New World coming out soon on February 14th. At number one, I have Superman coming out on July 11th. This is the new launch, at least on the film side, of James Gunn taking over for dc. He is going to be the new person, much like Kevin Feige is from Marvel, who is the president of Marvel and is responsible for keeping everything cohesive and for having things connect and building a big brand. He is the person now who is going to direct movies like Superman, but also make sure that every film that they put out is in line with values, has continuity, feels like the same from one movie to another, which is something that the MCU did really well. They had a whole system in place that no matter what director was directing each particular movie, they all felt the same way. You have cameos from one to another, and it's all the same actors, all the same people. He is going to be that now for dc. Just the trailer came out. I think I've thought about this movie every single day. And the movie just feels so warm and inviting and fresh that every shot, just on its own, looks like a page out of a comic book. It's so perfectly framed. And I feel like this is really going to dive into what makes Superman such a great character. The OG superhero, the most famous superhero, and really give us that best version of him since Christopher Reeves back in the day introducing the character on the big screen. I also love that James Gunn is so heavily invested in stories from comics with the Superman character that is going to bring a lot of that to life. And overall, all the characters just look really fun and vibrant and cosmic at times, where they need to be. And I just feel like this is going to be one of those movies that once it starts from one second up there, when you see that DC logo to the very end, it's gonna feel like a perfect movie. And it's the one I'm just the most excited to be in the theater to watch, because I think it's going to be one of those core movie memories for me. And I've had maybe three of those since 2019, probably since endgame. I would say that have really popped. And I just remember that moment of watching them for the first time. I think that is going to be inside a Superman. And that's why I put it at number one. Because as much as I can't wait to see the new Captain America movie, I don't think that or anything below it is going to have one of those memories. So I think this is the one I'm the most excited to see because I think it could be one of my next favorite superhero movies. And I feel that. And I think also it is one that's gonna have to win me over a little bit because I wouldn't even put Superman in my top five superheroes of all time. So I think it's gonna be having my first iteration that I could fully be in love with Superman. As much passion as it is there, is Superman going to win my heart? Am I going to fall in love for those blue eyes and slick back hair and red trunks? Could be. So maybe that's why I'm so excited about this, is I'm ready to hook up with Superman and be in love with them.

Matt Castle (55:14)

A queen of talking hey, what's on your mind? She's getting really not afraid to feel.

Dr. Josie Horchak (55:20)

Take a soul to soul Just let.

Matt Castle (55:22)

It flow no one can do it quite like Caroline. It's time for Caroline.

Taryn Feldman (55:31)

Are you a pretty faithful person?

Matt Castle (55:33)

Yes.

Taryn Feldman (55:34)

Do you have a lot of faith that in God and that it's all going to align?

Dr. Josie Horchak (55:38)

I can't not. There's just been too many things in life for me to like. Too many instances where I'm like, thank you, God. I see you like, I see you in this.

Bobby Bones (55:47)

What?

Taryn Feldman (55:48)

Any in particular that you can come to mind? Because I feel the same way when I look back on my life, I'm.

Dr. Josie Horchak (55:52)

Like, it all is God every day. Like, there's. It's not even really specific instances I can point out, but I just think it's. Again, it goes back to that. Like, when I think of trusting your gut, I. I truly think that's trusting God for me. For me, that is my. My guiding light. And I feel like every time that I have, you know, trusted. I try to trust all the time. It's hard. You gotta have a lot of patience and you question it a lot of times. Obviously, sometimes there's like waiting periods, right? Yeah.

Taryn Feldman (56:24)

Especially when you're creative like yourself. Like, sometimes there's like long waiting periods. You're like, God, what?

Dr. Josie Horchak (56:29)

Yeah.

Bobby Bones (56:29)

Am I supposed to be doing.

Dr. Josie Horchak (56:30)

I've never. I'll put it this way. I've never had something removed from my life that I wasn't grateful for in the long run or, you know, vice versa. So I just feel like there's a sense of faith there. I was. I grew up in faith, but it's just. It's one of those things as an adult. It's just been shown to me. Like, I just see it in everyday instances and short Term and long term to not have faith that God's guide my life. So don't you think it kind of keep on doing that?

Taryn Feldman (57:00)

It kind of takes their pressure off though.

Dr. Josie Horchak (57:01)

Because it does.

Taryn Feldman (57:02)

How does God feel to you? Because I finally have realized I can feel it in my. I feel it in my stomach.

Dr. Josie Horchak (57:08)

God is love. But like, God is love.

Unknown Speaker 3 (57:11)

God is love.

Taryn Feldman (57:11)

But when I'm on track, it's like I feel very calm, I feel aligned.

Dr. Josie Horchak (57:16)

I feel sense of peace almost.

Taryn Feldman (57:18)

When I'm not, I can feel out.

Dr. Josie Horchak (57:20)

Of balance, like for sure.

Taryn Feldman (57:21)

Feel like I'm not do. I can feel like I'm not on the right. Right course.

Dr. Josie Horchak (57:25)

Yeah. It's almost like you're just fighting your natural instinct. Yes. Or like a sense of being on edge or uneasiness. And that's just. I mean that can come with anything. And anxiety in general, which I do struggle a lot with. And we all have our bouts of our moments, but I don't know, it's just like a. A faith that is steady and true all the time. And again, like I said, there's never been anything that I feel like didn't work for my favor in the long run in. In God's eyes, you know, like for my life specifically. I feel like everything that has happened in my life, me, exactly where I need to be, good or bad. Like not even not making top four on the Voice. Like I could have easily seen that as like a I suck moment or like, you know, I'm not meant to do this, but I just. I see so many paths and opportunities waiting to be taken if you just like listen and pray about it. If you're, you know, if you're a person of faith.

Taryn Feldman (58:24)

So how do you feel God speaking to you? Like, how do you know when God's telling you which way to go?

Dr. Josie Horchak (58:29)

I think it's like you said, like that sense of peace and it's not always. It's not. I mean it's not always like a voice saying this or that. Have you heard a voice? I mean, I think when I hear the voice, it's. It's my own.

Taryn Feldman (58:44)

It's through God that God's speaking through.

Dr. Josie Horchak (58:47)

Your thoughts, I would say. So I think it's more of just like you. You just kind of feel which way you're being pulled, which direction you're being pulled in. So yeah, there's never like a sure fire answer. I feel like for how you feel God. Cuz I feel like everybody feels God in a different way, you know, but for me, that Is. It's the sense of peace I get in the middle of all the, the angst and anxiety and what gives you anxiety, struggle? Oh, everything in life, girl. Life in general. I think I'm just an anxious person. I feel things really heavily and really deeply and I want to see people happy. I want to. I want to be happy. So, yeah, I don't know. I think just feeling things super deep, like it. It creates some emotional challenges. But yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't have it any other way because I think that's what makes musicians and creatives, like great at what they do, is feeling things to the core.

Taryn Feldman (59:46)

What, when you think about your music, like, what is music to you? Like when you're writing and singing, like, what is happening in you? Like, what are you. What is coming through you when you're putting it out there? How do you feel about it? If you're going to describe it in three words, or not even three words, if you were just going to describe the experience for you and like, what's happening when you're making music and singing?

Dr. Josie Horchak (60:10)

What are you.

Taryn Feldman (60:11)

What's happening? What's the experience?

Dr. Josie Horchak (60:12)

Well, with making music, I think with writing, I'm still so new to it. I consider myself new to it. Like, I've been doing it for six years, officially, I guess, but I think it's just like, I hate to keep relating it back to the clothes thing, but it's like everybody has their own way of writing and you know how you would or wouldn't say things in real life. And so when you go in a room to write, it's like, you know, the feelings you want to convey, you know, like semi the message you want to convey. And I think when you're writing, it's just kind of like saying stuff until it feels right, until it fits the moment. So I wish it was like this next level experience for me, but it's literally like doing homework when I'm writing. But when I'm singing, like, I. It just feels so. I feel more like a normal person and a human being being on stage and singing than I do in like everyday life. There's just such a natural comfortability that comes for me when being on stage. That doesn't happen for me.

Taryn Feldman (61:21)

That's wild because that's a big. It's scary to be on stage.

Dr. Josie Horchak (61:24)

It is. But it's like the one place where I've. I guess I've always felt like fully accepted maybe is what it is. And so in everyday life you're just Kind of floating around, like, meeting new people and new experiences and new things, and there's such an uncertainty. So I. It's just. It's so funny to me that the most I feel myself is when I'm in front of a bunch of people.

Taryn Feldman (61:48)

That's amazing.

Dr. Josie Horchak (61:49)

But I think it's just for the sake of knowing that I'm there to connect with people and hopefully find a moment between me and somebody else that will allow us to continue to be each other's support and, like, I don't know what to call it. Like, therapy, I guess. I love that. That's about all.

Taryn Feldman (62:11)

We're all in this together.

Dr. Josie Horchak (62:12)

Yeah. We all got stuff we're struggling with every day. And my goal was, like, if I can at least make you forget about it for the time being. Make you dance or make you sit in the feeling for a second, make you really feel it. To know that it's okay to feel that, like, no matter what the feeling is, I just want to. As long as it connects, that's all I care about.

Bobby Bones (62:42)

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