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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Are you a small business owner launching a company or dreaming of starting one? Then be sure to catch up on seasons one and two of Mind the Business small business success stories from Ruby Studio and Intuit QuickBooks and then stick around for season three launching Thursday, January 9 join hosts Austin Hankowitz and Janice Torres as they talk to small business owners about how they've grown and maintain their businesses. You don't want to miss these inspiring stories of of small business journeys. Listen to Mind the Business small business success stories and do it on the Iheart app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Bobby Bones
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Doug the Pug Owner
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Bobby Bones
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Bobby Bones
Hey guys. Sunday Sampler what a year. Thank you. We added two new podcasts in the vet's office with Dr. Joosse and take this Personally with Morgan Huelsman. You'll hear a clip from these episodes in just a bit and subscribe to those if you like them. Love them. On the Bobby cast I sat down with Hunter Girl Talk about what life was like before she hit it and before American Idol and the origin of her stage name. Really love to be around her and all the cool stuff she does even outside of music. But we're going to get started here. Within the vet's office with Dr. Josie. They had Doug the Pug on Doug the OG celebrity dog. Millions of Instagram followers. So Dr. Josie talked with his owner Leslie about how famous Doug got the rise to fame. The DMs he gets funny episode. Here we go in the vet's office with Dr. Josie.
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Ray
You're listening to in the Vet's Office.
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Doug the Pug Owner
With Dr. Josie Horczak.
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Mike D
How did this all come to me?
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Ray
So I used to actually work a few buildings over and on music grow. I went to Belmont and that's what moved me to Nashville. And I had dreams of working in the music industry and doing marketing and PR and like graphic design and branding and stuff for bands. And so I got a job doing that at a small record label artist management company. And I got Doug when I was a junior at Belmont. And so I was in college, in college and so I was going to to work on Music Row and then I would come home and I had my dream pug who loved dressed up and loved doing activities with me around town. And it became this kind of tradition where I would get home from work and go out around Nashville and take pictures with him. This was in the very beginning of Instagram. I think this was 2013 when I started posting him. And so I just did it for fun on my personal Instagram. I mean no one even really had like my friends didn't even really have it. It was mostly Facebook at that time. And I would post him and say Doug the Pug doing that Doug and I blah blah blah. And people just wanted to see Doug. So If I posted anything on my personal Instagram that wasn't Doug, people were like, where's Doug? Like, we don't really care. We just wanted to see Doug. And so I started getting a little more creative and doing. I started getting a little more creative and doing, you know, things that were on trend, like holiday type things, or if a famous artist was coming into Nashville, I would, like, play off that. And big Instagram pug accounts that had all these followers at the time when they would take our photos and post them and tag us, they would get so many likes, and it was this rush of like, whoa. Like, that's so cool. A photo that I took and a concept that I came up with and the styling and everything. Like, people are resonating with this. They like it. And again, this is very condensed. But I ended up switching my account from me to just Doug and putting more effort and time into it. And he reached 100,000 followers on Instagram, which was insane and huge and amazing at the time. And we had a little party, and it was just, honestly, a very fun hobby. It brought me a lot of joy, and it brought other people joy. And I would be lying if I didn't say that at that time, I saw it being something like what it is now. I had this gut feeling to pursue it. And so I actually. When he hit a hundred thousand followers, I put in my notice to quit my job.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Wow.
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Ray
And people thought I was crazy. I kind of lied to most people and said, I'm starting my own graphic design business because I didn't want to be like, So I have this dog that has an Instagram, and I think he would make a really cute stuffed animal. But it happened as soon as I put my notice in for that job. At that hundred thousand party, we had a pug balloon left over. And Rob and I were just dating at the time, and he was on tour. And so all by myself, I went to Dragon park in Hillsborough Village, which was right by my old apartment, and I tied the pug balloon to Doug. And again, he doesn't care about anything, so he was all about it. He was running around the park with this pug balloon attached to him. And I sent the footage to Rob, and I said, can you put a cute song over this? Can you put, like, people, let me tell you about my best friend. Like, let's make the pug balloon his best friend. And I posted it to Doug's Facebook, his Instagram, and then I made him a Twitter. Cause I was like, what would a band need? Like, If I were to help one of my artists at the label, what would they need? And so I put it on all these things, and I had a logo for Doug. I took it very seriously.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Yeah.
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Ray
But that night I posted it, didn't think anything of it. I woke up and I looked on Facebook. He had 3,000 likes at the time on Facebook. And the next day he had like 15,000. And I'm like, what happened? And I looked at the video and it had 20 million views.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Wow. And this is the 100k party where.
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Mike D
He'S running around with a pug balloon. Yes.
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Ray
Like, right after that party, I took a little video with a leftover balloon, and I was like, whoa. All of a sudden it was real.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Okay.
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Ray
You know? And by the end of that week, he had a million likes followers on Facebook.
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Mike D
Doug was like, my mom just quit her job.
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Doug the Pug Owner
I gotta go to work.
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Ray
He was like, let's go. And so it was this crazy feeling of, like, I felt very ready for it because I had already kind of set it up for success, but for it to actually happen and for me to have the free time to do it. So Rob luckily got home from tour right around then, and we just started making videos. I mean, every day we were coming up with, like, let's dress Doug up as Harry Potter and call him Harry Pugger. Or, you know, all these popular TV shows. The Walking Dead. I. I dressed him as a zombie. And we were crazy people running around Radnor Lake with our dog with. Dressed as a zombie. Dressed as a zombie. And, like. But we didn't care. It was just this very exhilarating time. And within a few months, we had a book deal. And later that year, we were going on a book tour all over the world. We went to London. Did he hit his first million followers that year? Oh, yeah. So he, on Facebook, went from 3,000 to a million within, like, a few weeks. Okay. On Instagram. Instagram's a harder platform to grow, so I think it took a little longer. But honestly, Justin Bieber posting, he posted two pictures of Doug. They. His label actually hit us up and was like, hey, remember the Justin Bieber era of, like. Sorry. And what do you mean? It was like the best era.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Take me back.
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Ray
And he was like, on the Calvin Klein ads, they asked Doug to be a part of a countdown for how many days until. What do you mean?
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Doug the Pug Owner
Okay?
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Ray
And so I took pictures of Doug wearing Calvin Klein's and this little sign that said eight days. What do you mean? And Justin posted two of those photos and Tagged Doug. We went up, like, a hundred thousand followers in a day, I bet. And it was. It's just still so crazy to even look back on that and to see what it is now. And just. It's been the most amazing, fun ride, and Doug loves every second of it.
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Mike D
One thing that you said that I just feel like sitting here talking with.
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Ray
You is I feel like there's Instagram.
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Mike D
Influencers and TikTokers where you're like, okay.
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Ray
This is like, their job. And you can kind of tell, like, it just seems so organic.
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Mike D
And you just enjoy. I mean, obviously he's like your child, so you enjoy doing it. He loves to do it. And, like, that just really translates.
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Ray
I think you on his page is.
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Mike D
Why he's so successful.
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Ray
I really appreciate that. I feel like, obviously, social media has changed exponentially. We've been doing it full time for almost 10 years, and it's changed so much. And I think every day I have to make the conscious choice and Rob as well, to do it because we love it. Right? Because we would have a completely different approach to social media with Doug if we were doing it just for the followers and the clout at this point. And so it's honestly become so much more laid back, and we're a lot happier because of it because we're just sharing, like, literally what we want to share. What you're doing anyways. Yeah, we. We feel like we have nothing else to prove at this point. Right. And it's. It's just, like, truly for fun and to, like, we still have so many big dreams, obviously, but his happiness and our happiness is, like, most important, of course.
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Bobby Bones
Why one word, Hunter girl. Why? I know, and I've heard the story. You know, you were the only. Or whatever the version is, you were the only Hunter in your class or you're a girl. But what as a stage name and one word, like, all that came together and you decided on it when? Why?
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Doug the Pug Owner
Just because that's what everybody called me growing up. And my last name's Wachanowski. Eleven letters, pretty rough. But I feel like that just part of me, especially right now. And like, hey, Hunter girl. Like, how are you doing? That's what my PA would call me. And so whenever I come up on stage and have the name that a lot of people call me when I was growing up, it kind of always just reminds me of home. That's how I feel when I think of it.
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Bobby Bones
Did Idol say anything to you about just going by one name weirdly? Were they like, are you sure? You want to do this?
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Doug the Pug Owner
Uh, Like, I think somebody had, like, mentioned it. They're like, do you want to do Hunter Walkinowski? And I was like, I think I want to be. I think I'm going to be Hunter girl. One word, and they're like, that's cool. People will remember it. And they were like, just go for it.
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Bobby Bones
People do remember it. I remember going, oh, this girl's got one name. I didn't even know what it was about. I was like, this is cool. Like, that's how I was again. I was checking out the show at Adventures. But you. You never know who they're going to keep on that show. I watch them edit people and, like, keep people in, but only to cut them out later. But they'd already been eliminated, like, for drama. So Hunter, though, is your name. I remember asking. I know the answer. But I remember asking you this in the same way. Like, what do I call you? Your friends call you.
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Doug the Pug Owner
My friends call me Hunter. Like, my Paul. He still calls me Hunter girl, just because that's what he always did. But my friends call me Hunter. But on stage, it's like I kind of get to separate myself a little bit. It's like Hunter's going home and in her PJs. But whenever I'm on stage, I get to be Hunter girl.
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Bobby Bones
What I would like for you to go back and talk about, just for a second, when you talk about riding with veterans, which is how you and I ended up together that night. We were doing some veteran stuff at the Opry together. Yeah. Explain, like, what that is.
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Doug the Pug Owner
So I started riding with veterans when I was about 17. Why?
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Bobby Bones
Why would you ride with veterans?
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Doug the Pug Owner
My grandfather. My grandpa was in the service, and six of my great uncles and I. I just got involved, and I was just volunteering and singing songs for the people that were writing the songs with the veterans. So it's always been something that meant a lot to me and just seeing how much it affected my family, too. And basically what we do is we get in a room with a veteran and we write their story about whatever they want to talk about, whether it's something in the service or somebody they miss or anything. And it's kind of therapeutic in a way for them to get to tell their story. And honestly, like, whenever I've been in that room, it's like, you know, I'm lucky enough to write a song every day, but this is their first time that they get to feel that whatever. Like, it just makes me remember just how, like, how good songwriting is for the soul. And I've written with Gold star kids and gold star families and so I've been doing that consistently since I was about 17 and still do it.
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Bobby Bones
Mm, that's super cool.
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Doug the Pug Owner
I had one a few weeks ago.
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Bobby Bones
Really?
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Doug the Pug Owner
Yeah.
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones from the Bobby bones show. Intuit QuickBooks wants you to achieve your dreams of starting your own business and working for yourself. Now, if you're a small business owner launching a company, then you'll want to check out Mind the Business. Small business Success stories from iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio and Intuit QuickBooks Season 1 and Season 2 are out now. Season 3 is launching Thursday, January 9, with new episodes coming out every other Thursday after that. So make sure you catch up and you listen to hosts Austin Hankowitz and Janice Torres talk to small business owners about how they've grown and maintained their businesses. They've tackled hundreds of challenges that come along with, well, being your own boss. From tracking money in and out to cutting through day to day management with an all encompassing platform like Intuit QuickBooks, you don't want to miss these inspiring stories of small business journeys. Listen to Mind the Business small business success stories on the Iheart Apple, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's a little tip for all the music fans out there. Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide. You heard that right, 99%. And every time you make a purchase with your card, you automatically earn cash back, which means you could earn rewards for those almost front row seats, the ride share to the venue, even the concert merch that you've had your eye on since it dropped. If all that sounds like music to your ears, remember it pays to Discover. Based on the February 2024 Nielsen report. Learn more at discover.com credit card hey, it's Bobby Bones from the Bobby Bones Show. Nothing feels as good as driving a new Hyundai. And now you can get a great deal on your favorite model at the Hyundai Getaway sales event. Visit HyundaiUSA.com today to find the dealer nearest you. 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Little food for your soul. Life ain't always pretty, but hey, it's pretty beautiful. Laugh a little more than tighten up your core. You're kicking it with four things with Amy Brown.
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Amy Brown
We're just gonna have a little chat today. I am sitting on my bed next to my dog with my computer. I've been looking at emails. Tomorrow is my mom's birthday, or it would be her birthday if she was still alive. But I think I just got a little emotional as I was prepping for the episode because I thought, well, in honor of her birthday, maybe I should share one of my favorite things that she would make, which was cherry berries on a cloud.
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State Farm Representative
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Amy Brown
And it's not a recipe she came up with. It's just something that she was known for making. Like, she was really good at making it. People would request it. I would request it. Her friends for showers or any type of event or gathering. People would be like, judy, can you bring cherry berry on a cloud? And she would, and it's so good. And I just went into my email and I searched, you know, judy, cherry berry. And things popped up, and it just took me down memory lane because there was this email that my sister had sent out because Ben and I were married for years and years and years. Let me think here. Almost 17. We lived in Austin some. We lived in North Carolina, and then we were back in Austin, and then we've been in Nashville the last almost 12 years. So when we were in North Carolina, because Ben was in the air Force, I guess we were going back to Austin for a visit, and my sister sent out this mass email to everybody, and it was like, the Browns are back in town, and she is the queen of hospitality. And she was inviting everybody over and saying, hey, bring whatever you can or just bring yourself. It doesn't matter. Judy's gonna make cherry berries on a cloud. We're gonna grill out, and everyone's gonna have a good time. And I was looking at everybody on the email and even my sister's husband. And then Ben and I aren't married anymore, but we're still close and our families are close. But all of those relationships came from my mom and her friendships that she made. And I was just thinking how special it was that we would all gather together. And I'm getting emotional because I miss that. I really do. But I'm about to be with my sister and her family for Christmas, and I know we're going to be gathering around the table. We're going to be cooking and hanging out, and it's going to have that same vibe. It's just not exactly how I saw it. Although Ben will be in Colorado at the same time. Ish, we kind of overlap. So the kids will be with me some and then they'll go be with him. And I wonder if we'll all get together. I could see him coming over because he's friends with them. And I have gratitude right now for that. I have gratitude for these memories of gathering and keeping it simple, just inviting people over. And my sister's like, don't worry about anything. Bring your kids. Everyone will pitch in and help. I've got cribs if you've got babies. And they just were all about hosting and community. Like when we were living in Austin. I just remember that so much. My mom cooking, my dad cooking, my sister cooking. And it looks a little different now that my mom and my dad are gone and Ben and I are divorced. My sister is still really, really, really good at that and inviting people over and having extra chairs for people to pull up around the table. And I guess my point here really is I'm going to link the or copy and paste the cherry berries on a cloud recipe in the show notes. Because if you have to go anywhere this holiday season, take this. It will be a hit. It is so good. And if you ever just have some time and you want to reminisce, type in keywords into your email. I mean, I was going all the way back to, I think it was 2010 or 2011 that I saw that email that my sister sent out to everybody, and I copied and pasted that and I sent it over to my sister so that she could reminisce. But then I had to go find the actual recipe. So then I had to Google or search inside my Gmail, my mom's name, and the cherry berry recipe. And it popped up. So I copied that and I'm going to drop it in the show notes. But then I started looking at emails from my mom, and that's probably what got me emotional, alongside the fact that it's her birthday tomorrow and she's not here. But I had sent her this email of this little garden I was growing because I wanted to make fresh salsa. And I took a video and I emailed it to her. And she said, she said back. Let me tell you what she said. Here. Cute. She goes, what's really in that planter? I said, cayenne, tomato and cilantro. You don't believe me? And she said, amy, tomatoes. Get Huge. Are you starting your garden with seeds? You don't have to. You can buy tomato plants and that will be much faster. And I said, mom, I started with seeds. I will transplant them to separate pots when they get 3 inches tall. It's a salsa garden. Did you watch my video? I'm not scared. I'm being patient. When it's time, I'll get to make salsa for Ben. Smiley face. I said, my first sprouts came in today. I just noticed about 20 minutes ago. And I got so excited. And I don't even know that version of me that decided to make a little salsa garden from seeds.
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Doug the Pug Owner
We're gonna do it live. We are the 1, 2, 3. Sore loser. What up, everybody? I am Lunchbox. I know the most about sports. So I'll give you the sports facts, my sports opinions, because I'm pretty much a sports genius, y'all. It's Sizzin. I'm from the North. I'm an alpha male. I live on the north side of Nashville with Bazer, my wife. We do have a farm. It's beautiful. A lot of acreage, no animals, a lot of crops. Hopefully soon. Corn, pumpkins, rye, I believe. Maybe a little fescue. To be determined. Over to you, coach. And here's a clip from this week's episode of the Sore Losers. Ray, tell me, how'd that Christmas party go, man? You missed out. I told you, it was networking. I. I know. I was gonna go. Then the wife informed me we had Christmas caroling with the neighborhood, and we were getting together with other families and we were gonna go Christmas caroling. Sometimes you realize, hey, I just got a network for the good of the sore losers. And I realized that Bazer even said before I went, I can't believe you're going to this. Because it was an hour and a half drive from where I live. Yeah, it's at a higher ups house, which is weird. It's not easy to get to. And they do it at 5:00. And I don't know if they understand what 5:00 means. It means gridlock traffic. So if you want to get there right at 5:00, you got to leave at 3:00. If you don't leave, if you leave any later than three, it's going to take you an hour and a half. Proceed. And I get there. And when I say networking, it was me, the two big bosses, and Robin from media base. Robin still works here? Yeah, she looks great too. Excuse me.
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Bobby Bones
Mm.
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Doug the Pug Owner
I had no idea. Stuff she does outside of here that you just don't see her doing. I guess she deals with songs, artists, media base, ratings, rankings, songs climbing charts, getting credit for playing live performances, etc. I mean, that means she works from home because I mean, she has not been around in eight years. Correct. Ftw, that's awesome. From the home. Fth, from the home. Okay. And I. What? That's it, dude. It's us at an Indian circle having a powwow. That is how you promote the sore losers. And I mean, it's just. When it's just you and the brass in the kitchen, dude, you have no choice. So literally it was just four people?
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Bobby Bones
Yes.
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Doug the Pug Owner
For how long? Because I got there so early. It was my fault. It was nothing on the party. It was. What time did you get there? Right at five. And I get in. It's one of those where they were on the couches and so I didn't really want to. I pulled up. I just pulled up a chair, dude. You didn't want to sit on the couch in between two of them? I just pulled up a chair, dude. Hey, if we're going to network, let's network, baby. I told Baser before I left the country, I said, going to network. I acted kind of like I was going to war. I was like, I'll be back after my tour. I'll see you in a couple hours. But yeah, that was the start of it. Then we're in the kitchen, dude. And what caught me off? Surprise or I didn't even mention the parking situation. So because it's a city and it's a very, very expensive place to live, they don't have the biggest driveways.
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Bobby Bones
Yeah.
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Doug the Pug Owner
And the driveway is right on a busy road. Truck ain't fitting in that driveway. So you park in the neighborhood over for not a quarter eighth of a mile for half of a football field, you're literally walking on the road. Yeah. And bro. And there's no street lights. I'm running on the road because I didn't want to walk in the grass. Well, then a car starts coming. So I go into the grass and it looks like other cars have gone into the grass as well. And it might be muddy. So there were probably mud on my shoes. I walk into the party and there's nothing but white carpet. So what do you think I did? Because it'd been raining. Yeah. Took your shoes off. So I look at the party host, the brass, they all had their shoes on. I just couldn't risk walking on that carpet and making shoe prints when I'm Trying to network for the sore losers. And I'm just dirtying up the place. I took off my shoes. Why was that a mistake, bro? Every time I tried to network and conversate with somebody, I was a foot shorter than everybody because everybody wore their shoes except for me. That leads me to my next story. Dude comes walking in, looks like he's from Chicago, New York. Got a scarf. Big time city. Everybody's dressed up and looked good. But did he have a scarf? No, he had just a long black jacket, button up, good shoes, good jeans. What's it look like? What is his hair? He looks like. He looked like Falcon. Oh. And. But. But you knew he was important and I had already. Dude, I talked to every brass there. There was. There was no more brass left. So he's a baldy, huh? I didn't even talk to Abby. I don't know who the baldy. I don't know who this guy is. There's people this company don't even know. There was a brunette chick. I go, morgan, who's that? Oh, she works for Premiere. I don't know, never seen her. Who is that? Blondie? How do you even know her? And why are you guys so friendly? Oh, she's great. She was at the last Christmas party. I don't know. I've literally never seen her. And we work in the same building. Got it. And so then this dude comes in. He looks important. I've talked to everybody. Abby, I see every damn day. I'm not talking. So what'd you talk about with the brass when you're sitting in that little circle? The pow wow. It's. Did you do your high low for the day or your rose or your thorn? No, I was trying to think. That's what it was. It was. She's from Kentucky. And she goes, oh yeah, I hope the Vols win on Saturday. Cuz the one lady not to get too much in the weeds. The one lady just got a divorce and her husband, ex husband, was a huge fan of the Voles. And so I was being funny and I was like, hey, screw the Vols, let's root against the Vols this Saturday. Being on her side, just being funny. I'm a Vols fan. And then the brass jumps in and goes, yeah, let's go. Actually, I want the Vols. Let's go. We want Tennessee. And I go, aren't you from Kentucky? And then she goes, I just go for the pre game. But she goes, I'm more of a basketball girl. And she said, I love the pre games. And then we talked About Rupp. And I said, I was at Rupp, and, oh, the mystique, the aura of rup. And I was like, have you ever been there? She goes, honey, I ever been there? I've been there a hundred times. And I said, I want to go for a game. You know what? Maybe you and me go for a game sometime. That's called networking, baby. Honey, that's called networking. So that was just one of the things we talked about when you said me and you should go to a game sometime. What did she say? It was all just laugh and joke. It was a Christmas party.
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Bobby Bones
Okay.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Am I in the brass gonna go drive to Kentucky and go to Rupp arena sometime? Maybe. But anyways, I've heard Rupp's old and it needs improvements. Dude, it looked good, but I moved to the kitchen and here comes another brass. There's so many brass around, dude. Hey, which one got divorced? Robin. Oh. Oh, but I knew that already. Oh, but it would have been bad if I got caught off guard and I didn't get a heads up about that. That have been bad. So then the dude walks in and I go right up to him. Not I. I chill in the glass room with Abby. I'm not trying to be like, hey, Abby, how's it going? I. I've talked to Abby about everything. I'm good. So she lit. Abby's, like, calling me over. I'm like, I totally dissed her. Abby, I see you every day at work. I'm going to network with this dude. I go, hey, how's it going? He goes, hey, you Ray? Yeah. How are you? What's your name?
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Bobby Bones
He goes, bob.
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Doug the Pug Owner
And he goes, you were sore losers, right?
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State Farm Representative
What?
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Doug the Pug Owner
Dude, I just about fell out. Not only did he know my name, he knew about sore losers. Tell me more. Bob. Bob runs everything. The volume, Colin Cowherd, Dan Patrick. If they go somewhere to Fontainebleau, he runs it. If they're at the pool, he runs it. He's all over the country. They'll go do events. 600 people pop up, boom, he goes. Sometimes the crowds are wild for Stephen A. Smith. He runs it. Draymond Green runs it. The volume has Jeff Teague and some other. That Jeff Teague guy, he's pretty funny. Runs it. He's always there. Advice, ads, marketing. Who's the other show? Dre. He said Draymond getting on a mic, right? I forget the technical. It's amazing. He said that shows that volume blowing up because you guys are blowing up. Great talk with him. What all did he say? Everything. He was just talking and I said I. I used to listen to Colin Cowher. That must be so cool. He does. It sounded more with the sport shows. I was trying to think of the one other one that is huge. Oh, Ocho Cinco is on a show with you guys are yelling at your trucks right now. Ocho Cinco has a show with Shannon Sharp. Yeah, I think you're right. That one. Yeah. And he said blowing up. Dude, the fact Sore Losers was mentioned in the same sentence as Ocho Cinco, Draymond Green, Shannon Sharp, Colin Cowherd and Dan Patrick. Blowing up. What else did Bob say about Sore Losers? Not. Not much. But the fact that he knew the show and then put us in the category of sports and he said blowing up.
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Bobby Bones
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Morgan Huelsman
Take this personally with Morgan Huelsman.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Are you ready?
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Mike D
Hillary I'm excited.
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Hillary
I'm excited to get a talk with you on a microphone.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Not that I haven't talked to you in a long time, but this is our first official talk on a microphone since you left the show.
- [40:21]
Mike D
Yeah, it's been almost three years. I was thinking about that today. I was like, this is the first time I've been behind a microphone in almost three years. And the last time I was was probably the last best bits.
- [40:34]
Hillary
But you had mentioned how Tyler is.
- [40:36]
Doug the Pug Owner
Your first boyfriend and now, like, potentially going to be your fiance, but what's that been like for you? He's your first boyfriend and you weren't dating before that. Is there, like, any part of you that thinks about that in that kind of situation?
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Mike D
Yes, I, Yes, I have thought about it. First of all, when I was never, you know, part of the reasons I haven't dated was I feel like if I liked a guy, they wouldn't like me back. So it wasn't, like a choice. Part of it was, but part of it wasn't. It was just people just didn't like me. So I always saw something was wrong with me.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Okay. I liked you.
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Mike D
Well, you, you know what I mean?
- [41:13]
Doug the Pug Owner
And there were, I'm 99.9. Sure. Even though I have only known you my adult life, that there were people that liked you. You just probably didn't feel that back.
- [41:23]
Mike D
So they never pursued it or they didn't tell me.
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Ray
Yeah, that's possible, too.
- [41:27]
Mike D
Yeah.
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Doug the Pug Owner
You're maybe beautiful, so I can guarantee.
- [41:30]
Mike D
That there are people that liked you. Yeah, maybe they just didn't tell me.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Okay.
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Mike D
So maybe there have been missed opportunities, which is fine, because I'm happy where I'm at. Yeah. But, yeah, no, I, I, I always felt like, okay, something's wrong with me if I'm not. Nobody likes me, nobody wants to be in a relationship with me. Something's wrong with me. And I'd have strangers on the Internet tell me something was wrong with me too, so that didn't help. Yeah, they, they definitely let me know. They're like, something's wrong with you. Like, are you, you know, normal? I was like, no, I'm fine.
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Doug the Pug Owner
You're perfectly normal.
- [42:02]
Mike D
Yeah. I'm just not finding someone.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Timeline was just different.
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Mike D
My timeline was different. And it was definitely worth the wait of waiting for. Waiting to find him. Like, he is, like you said, just a, A gem of a human.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Yeah.
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Mike D
He's precious.
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Ray
Well, do you feel like, do you.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Still have those feelings now? Or did once you met him, did that all kind of quiet itself?
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Mike D
It did. It quieted itself. I, I mean, I, I, you know me, I struggle with self confidence issues and things like that. So that stuff has remained, but the whole it was different. I do feel like I'm worthy enough and good enough for someone and so I feel very secure in that. But within myself, I definitely still have the doubts and self confidence issues, all those things.
- [42:55]
Doug the Pug Owner
You want to talk about that a little bit? Because mental health is part of this podcast and we talk about those things a lot.
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Ray
So where do you feel like you're.
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Doug the Pug Owner
At kind of right now in your life with your, I guess you can.
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Ray
Say self love journey?
- [43:10]
Doug the Pug Owner
Do you feel like you're on a better path or do you feel like.
- [43:14]
Ray
You'Re kind of stagnant?
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Doug the Pug Owner
Where are you right now?
- [43:16]
Mike D
I feel like I'm in a good place now. I think a couple, a couple years ago I'd had a not. I was not in the best place, which was right around the time. It was right before I started dating Tyler. But I'll never forget we were at a dinner. I know, exactly. I know you're gonna remember what it was.
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Doug the Pug Owner
It was a Valentine's Day.
- [43:36]
Mike D
It was Valentine's Day dinner. And at the point at that time I was still single and I just turned 30 and I just was having so many self doubt issues. And I've dealt with that my entire life. Ever like, honestly, ever since I was in elementary school, I've dealt with self confidence issues and didn't know it at the time. As I've gotten older, I've learned a lot about anxiety and things like that and I know that's, you know, what I was dealing with. But yeah, a couple years ago I remember I was just in not a great place. I didn't like myself. I've always struggled with weight and you know how I view myself.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Body.
- [44:16]
Mike D
My body issues. Yeah, body image issues. It's a great way to put that. So at that time I was really dealing with a lot of those issues and I've. I've definitely always struggled with body image issues and that's always probably been one of my main things that I've struggled when it comes to myself and self confidence issues. And yeah, a couple years ago I just, I was dealing with, with those things and I feel like I can talk about like, I feel like it's kind of probably like trigger warning type stuff for some people. But I definitely do feel like I had like eating disorder type stuff. I mean I would, there were times that I would make myself throw up or I wouldn't eat. Like I would starve myself. And I kind of had dealt with That a little bit in, you know, my early 20s, and I was doing fine. And then for some reason a couple years ago, I just was having some issues and just not loving myself. I was turning 30, and I was not at all where I thought I'd be in my life. And I think that had a lot to do with it, was turning 30 and realizing I'm not married. I don't own a house, they don't have kids. I'm not at all where I thought I would be in life. And I was also making career changes. So everything all at once. Everything was changing at once, and I was not feeling good about myself. And so a couple years ago, yeah, I just was not in. I was in a very dark place and just not feeling good about myself. And we were at that dinner, and I don't remember what was said, something said, and I just started bawling my eyes out at the dinner. And we got up and went into your Jeep, and you and Jody were there, and y'all said, we're not leaving until you tell us what's going on. And I remember I was just crying so hard, I couldn't barely speak. And I was just so embarrassed because I never. I do need to say I never really admitted to anybody that I did all of that stuff. And because I was embarrassed, and nobody knew that that had ever happened that I was doing, you know, making myself sick, not eating, things like that. Nobody knew. And I finally was able to open up to y'all about that. And I will never forget that night of just sitting there for I don't even know how long, just crying and just. I don't think many words were said. It was just y'all being there and being able to cry to y'all and admit this is what's going on in my life. And I'm. I'm have. I have these bad habits again. Like, I had them before, and I got past, but it's happening again, and I feel alone, and I feel stuck, and I feel like, what do I do? So I remember being able to. To talk to y'all about that that night.
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State Farm Representative
Hey, it's Mike D. And this week on Movie Mike's Movie Podcast, I shared my top 10 underrated movies of the year. And these are a lot of movies that aren't sequels, aren't remakes, aren't superhero movies. So if you're somebody who says, man, everything's a remake these days, I have 10 movies that maybe you missed in theaters. I think they are underapprec. More People should have seen these. They should have performed better at the box office because I think they're all good movies that you can watch at home now. So here's what I had as my number one pick. But be sure to go check out this full episode to hear the entire list. Right now, here's just a little bit of Movie Mike's movie podcast at number one, my most underrated movie of 2024. I have my old ass so good, which I gave a 4 out of 5. It has a pretty decent audience score, like a great 89%. But I think this one comes down to the box office. Had a budget of $3 million, which is wild that they made this movie for $3 million, but it only made $5 million.
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Doug the Pug Owner
That's a $2 million net though. It's better than being in the red.
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State Farm Representative
I just think that it is hard to make a fresh coming of age movie at this point. And I love the formula. I could watch the same coming of age formula in any amount of movies and I would still enjoy it. There's just something special about it when done right. In this one, the twist was that she takes some mushrooms, she sees her older self, which is Aubrey Plaza. She tells her all this stuff about her future and kind of gives her advice on like what to avoid and then puts her phone number in her phone and she's able to communicate with her. My only thing was I wanted more Aubrey Plaza.
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Doug the Pug Owner
It was cool to see Aubrey Plaza on a more like. I mean, she was still her like dry comedic self, but a little bit more of an emotional.
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State Farm Representative
Yeah, there was a scene in this movie where I damn near cried.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Yeah, I think you did like, I think it was.
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State Farm Representative
There was a span of movies there, I think this one and the Wild Robot we watched back to back, I believe. And both times the movies, like I almost cried.
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Doug the Pug Owner
I look over and just like.
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State Farm Representative
And I did not expect to go there because there's just a moment where it's like, oh man. All this stuff that had been building up and building up. Yeah, there's a lot of fight between her younger self and her older self, which I would question things that I would be telling my younger self. And there's a moment that just hits you right in the gut. And then it just like, oh man. I just kind of sat with it.
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Doug the Pug Owner
What's the number one thing that you would tell your younger self sitting here now as a 33 year old? I always have to remember how old you are. It's very difficult for me.
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State Farm Representative
I don't know how cliche this is, but, like, stop caring what people think. I think that kept me from doing a lot of things that I enjoyed younger because I was worried about how they would be perceived by other people. And at that time, I didn't realize that those other people would not matter when I was older. Like, look at this room now. Like, all these things that I embrace now were things that I hid back then. And I think all the things about me now that I enjoy actually about myself, I was ashamed of probably 15 years ago. And I. It's hard to say to imagine me, like, being cool, but I had a feeling of, like, I need to be cool because I was so uncool that I didn't want to come across of, like, putting anything against me because there was already a lot of things held against me. I felt like. Like I was overweight, I had bad skin, my teeth are messed up. There were just things I felt that kept me from being cool, and I was like, I just can't show any other weakness. I think that's what it would be for me. I would just not care about what anybody else thought and just, like, the things I like.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Would you tell yourself mine's also cliche? And mine would be to, like, stop worrying about the boys that didn't like me. Like, I just was like, no one's ever gonna like me. I'm gonna be single forever.
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State Farm Representative
I felt that too.
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Doug the Pug Owner
And I was so young. But I think. I think when you're in high school and it's like, you have those couples and, like, ever. I never had a boyfriend. You were my first boyfriend.
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State Farm Representative
Damn. You went on my first girlfriend dates.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Like, I liked people. I talk to people, but, like, no one ever really fully liked me. And I just used to think, like, I'm ugly. No one's gonna like me. And honestly, in retrospect, I think I was just, like, too smart. I think I intimidated people. Like, not to toot my own horn, but I think I just was, like, unapproachable because I was really smart.
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State Farm Representative
I've oddly been thinking about this lately, is I always felt that it was people not giving me a chance. And when I look back on myself there, I think I just didn't respect myself enough. Like, I didn't put enough effort into myself to attract anybody. I thought it was all about looks, but I think it was how I treated myself and probably the energy I put out, that was really what it was. And I just thought it was, like I said, just people not giving me a chance But I thought about, like, would I even want to be with me then? So maybe that's the advice I would give to myself. Like, hey, working yourself a little more, dummy.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Yeah. I think I would tell myself to stop stressing because I met you when I was 24.
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Amy Brown
That's.
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Doug the Pug Owner
That is still so young. When in retrospect, I met you when I was 24. I was married at 27. Like, I don't know. I think I just was like, oh, my God, I'm gonna be alone forever. But, like, those things feel so big when you're younger. Yeah, they feel so monumental.
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State Farm Representative
You're younger, you want to get older. When you're older, you want to be younger. I think if I was more specific about my advice, I think it would be that you're on your own timeline.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Yeah.
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State Farm Representative
Like, nobody else is really looking at your timeline. Even though to you it feels like I'm so behind. How am I not at this point in my life yet when really nobody else cares about what's going on with you? And in the end, it doesn't really matter, like, what age you are when you hit these supposed milestones that you're supposed to hit.
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Doug the Pug Owner
I think I've been also. I would warn myself not to like, several of the guys that I liked. I think I would be like, don't waste your time. No, don't just. Don't just delete his number more.
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State Farm Representative
Even more specific advice, I would have told myself to like, to get into coding more, to, like, pay attention to technology more.
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Doug the Pug Owner
I would have told myself to purchase real estate at the age of, like, five.
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State Farm Representative
I invested in, like, tick tock or something.
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Doug the Pug Owner
I would have invested in Bitcoin.
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State Farm Representative
Exactly. I'd have bought it when it was so cheap. It'd be millionaires now. Millionaires, I tell you.
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Doug the Pug Owner
I would have have bought stock in Apple.
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State Farm Representative
Would it have been as value? I guess back then, I feel like the time would have to buy would have been like the 80s. Whenever they were first launching, it was like, dirt cheap. I don't know if they were public by that point.
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Doug the Pug Owner
It's not according to what one of the characters in a Nicholas Sparks book did, but.
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State Farm Representative
All right, that is the list.
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Doug the Pug Owner
Caroline, she's a queen of talking. Hey, what's on your mind? She's getting real not afraid to feel Take a soul to soul Just let it flow no one can do it quite like Caroline. It's time for Caroline.
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Morgan Huelsman
I'm sad. I was not someone who grew up watching One Tree Hill. And now I feel like I Need to go back and binge that because after, like reading your book and then deep diving you, and then I deep dived One Tree Hill. And that show is like. That's like an amazing. That show, like, shaped our generation. Like, I'm 41 and I feel like. I don't know how I miss watching it. Probably because I didn't watch a whole bunch of TV growing up. But that was like. I know, I know, right? That was like the show that shaped.
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Amy Brown
Our.
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Morgan Huelsman
Like, our minds. I feel like. I feel like that. And Friday Night Lights. It's like One Tree.
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Ray
Yeah, Lights.
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Morgan Huelsman
We're the one Friday Night.
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Hillary
Like, that was a big one too. Yeah. The others felt like they were. As much as we loved Gossip girl in the O.C. they were very. They lived in that Beverly Hills 90210 zone of. It's such a rare population of America who live like that. But the kids that live like us kids in One Tree Hill and the kids that lived like the Friday Night Light kids are vastly more. Sorry, my sentences aren't working today. They'll come together eventually, but there's so many more of the population that. That lives like that and things like that and experiences life just in a small town like that. So I feel like we really kind of cornered the market on just reflecting back to teens in America, what. What their life was and they felt seen and you should go back and watch it. You definitely should. It'd be fun.
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Morgan Huelsman
I need to binge it. I love a good show. I have a five year old daughter and all I watch is like Disney. And now she's into watching YouTube, like YouTube kids and all these families just make their own YouTube videos. And I'm like, oh, my God. I literally. It's torture to watch it, but it's. I need to watch like real, real content. And that's when shows were great, you know, that's when the storylines were good. They lasted a long time.
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Doug the Pug Owner
It's just.
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Morgan Huelsman
And what a life you've lived, Bethany. Okay, so now that I'm like diving into your book, I literally. You're such a good storyteller, first off, because I am so in the story with you when I am reading this. I feel like. I feel like I'm like in your actual brain walking, starting from your childhood with your parents. Like, it's just. It makes so much sense. Like, it's. I. You always wonder. I'm from Waco, Texas, and we had David crashing the branch. Davidians. We actually.
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Mike D
Oh, boy.
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Hillary
Yes, that's right. Of course. You Did.
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Morgan Huelsman
We had a cult in our, in our town and there's been like lots of other little pop up cults that lots of families join and they're integrated into the city. But it's definitely always been like cult. So there's a lot of culty vibes in Waco. So I've always grown up with.
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Hillary
Interesting.
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Morgan Huelsman
Yeah, I've always grown up like with a big understanding of cults. But like I always wondered how does this happen?
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Amy Brown
Like how does so unusual that.
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Hillary
Well, maybe it's not unusual. I haven't. I'm not a researcher. But it seems strange to me that in a town like Waco where it's known for being the center of this massive cult event, that others would pop up. So many others would still pop up in that region that like people didn't quite learn the lesson. I guess that is wild.
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Morgan Huelsman
It is wild. And there's some other. I don't know if they're called cults. What do you call them? A focus group or like a. Just what is the other word you use for. That's not cult, but it's like a control group.
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Hillary
Yeah. High demand. High demand group. Yeah. Which. That, that is what a cult is. It's. It's the, they're. The definitions are interchangeable.
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Morgan Huelsman
High demand group think. I love the group think because I actually was talking to my friend, we're in Georgia and I'm. We're staying with some friends and we were talking about just faith and how people can have all sorts of rules with it. Like, so like I have some friends right now who I consider really great friends who are like not practicing yoga because they feel like that is sacrilegious. And I'm like, and you can probably find all of these spiritual practices to back it. But at the same time, like I personally have had so many spiritual experiences that I have had myself that it's like I know I have to trust my own intuition and not other people's advice. What might be good for someone or what might someone might feel like is their path. That does not mean it is my spiritual path. And I love that. I feel like that's sort of the point that I'm getting from your book is yes, someone can have a spiritual idea and that can truly be their road. But like if it does not align with you and if it is not your internal guidance system, like really, you need to examine that and really take note of. Why are you doing something just because someone is telling you to do them? If you don't really know why? Right.
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Hillary
Yeah, it's huge. We do so much in our life and we don't ask why. Why do I do this? I. I am very neurodivergent. My tendency is to examine things. And so I, I appreciate that. Not everyone's brain works the same way that mine does. It's taken me a while to get to that point. I used to be so frustrated that people seemed to think I was overthinking things all the time. And people thought I was, you know, pushing too many buttons. And I was like, oh, that's because that the neurotypical brain. Most people's brains aren't endlessly curious about the why. And so I try and leave space for that. Just everybody's brain works differently, you know, but for me, I, I just, I don't know how you can go through life not asking yourself, why, why, why? Because even when I was in this group, it's the why that got me in, but it's also the why that got me out. Like, it's just the most important question. I think you can ask yourself with everything. Why do I eat this? Why am I. I'm getting married. Why do I walk down an aisle? Why. Why do, do I need to keep my room clean? Why do I need to walk my dogs? Why do I pray? Why? And follow it all the way down? And I think, I mean, some roads just keep on going. I don't, I don't know that we'll ever arrive at the answer, but you certainly can arrive at like, new layers of understanding of yourself and other people. Sorry, I didn't mean to go on a tangent, but yes, you're right that, that one of the main points of the book is nobody else can live your life for you. You have to move with the God of your understanding at the pace that you're at. And you also can't condemn or judge other people for the pace that they're at and where they are. You don't. You didn't grow up as them. You don't know their life and you don't know how God is speaking to them or planning to speak to them. You just don't know.
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