TAKE THIS PERSONALLY: Doctors Gave Him 10 Years To Live, Then He Started Healing With Hypnotherapy

Summary

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: The Bobby Bones Show
Series: Take This Personally
Episode: Doctors Gave Him 10 Years To Live, Then He Started Healing With Hypnotherapy
Date: April 19, 2026
Host: Morgan Huelsman
Guest: Peter McLaughlin (Hypnotherapist, Life Coach, Author)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Take This Personally," hosted by Morgan Huelsman, features a compelling and deeply personal conversation with Peter McLaughlin. After being told he had ten years to live due to a dual diagnosis of Lyme disease and leukemia, Peter embarked on a transformative healing journey that led him from firefighting and EMT work into hypnotherapy. The interview uncovers not only his story of survival but also delves into the profound power of the mind, the science and misconceptions behind hypnotherapy, and its real-world applications for trauma, self-improvement, and healing.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Peter McLaughlin’s Origin Story (03:04 – 10:09)

• Peter was diagnosed with Lyme disease and leukemia on the same day, while also volunteering as a firefighter.
• Doctors gave him approximately ten years to live.

  “When I asked the doctor how long I had to live, they said maybe 10 years.” (06:21, Peter)

• Frustrated with the limits of conventional medicine, he dived into self-education about the mind-body connection and began exploring hypnotherapy.
• A fateful encounter led him to the Hypnotherapy Academy of America, which specialized in medical uses of hypnosis.

  “I felt like I was being led. That’s probably the best answer to your question. I felt like I was being led to it.” (09:05, Peter)

The Science of Hypnotherapy and the Mind (04:28 – 18:40)

• Explanation of the conscious versus subconscious mind, illustrated by the metaphor of “the rider and the elephant.”
• Subconscious patterns govern most behaviors, including habits, addictions, self-sabotage, and even physical functions.
• Peter clarifies that hypnotherapy targets the subconscious—where real, lasting change is possible.
• Emotional and environmental toxins both affect health, and unresolved trauma can impact the body decades later.
• Hypnotherapy's application is broad, because, as Peter puts it:

  “Your mind controls everything about your life... whatever you use your mind for.” (14:36, Peter)

• The triggers and patterns rooted in past trauma can manifest in present behaviors or bodily pain.

Skepticism and Common Misconceptions (12:06 – 26:53)

• Morgan and Peter discuss why hypnotherapy is often met with skepticism, and how entertainment tropes have fostered fear and misunderstanding (e.g., mind control, barking like dogs).
• Peter dispels myths by highlighting everyday trance states: driving on “autopilot,” athletic flow, or getting lost in a shower thought.

• “Every human being, even you, goes in and out of hypnosis all the time anyway. You just haven’t learned that’s what it is.” (23:34, Peter)

• The Western medical system and cultural upbringing downplay or disregard subconscious processing, contributing to widespread ignorance of hypnosis' practical value.

Trauma, Triggers, and Healing (28:33 – 36:05)

• Subconscious lacks a sense of time; old traumas can cause present-day symptoms as if the event is still “now,” especially in PTSD.

• “The subconscious mind has no concept of time. Everything to the subconscious is now.” (28:36, Peter)

• Peter broadens the definition of PTSD, arguing most people harbor unresolved traumas that shape decisions and reactions—often without awareness.
• Suppressing trauma is likened to hiding rotting meat in your pantry:

  “Whatever you shove down is not going to be eliminated. It’s going to exert an effect on you in ways you may or may not be aware of.” (31:49, Peter)

• Working through trauma requires safety. Hypnotherapy can provide a safe environment to process and heal.

Words, Beliefs, and the Power of Self-Talk (37:20 – 48:35)

• The words we use—especially those directed at ourselves—have tangible impacts. Peter shares an exercise with Morgan:
  1. He says “cuddly baby”—Morgan feels joy, warmth, sees rainbows and animals.
  2. He says “black dagger”—Morgan’s body tenses, mind fills with fear.

• “That’s a very quick example of how powerful words are and how they directly affect what you’re seeing in the landscape of your mind and how it affects your body.” (46:25, Peter)

• Our inner monologue, even fleeting or unconscious thoughts, shapes emotion and behavior.
• Peter recommends speaking to oneself as though addressing a literal, four-year-old inner self—reminding us to be gentle, supportive, and literal, as the subconscious is.
• The impact of external media isn’t neutral: negative or violent entertainment can trigger biological stress reactions, just as positive input can soothe and heal.

Integration, Media, and Healing Practices (48:35 – 52:56)

• Everything we consume (including media) interacts with our subconscious, much like diet affects our body.

• “What goes in through your eyes and your ears is also going to affect you the same way, if not more powerfully than what you put in your mouth or on your skin.” (47:41, Peter)

• The role of nature, silence, genuine human connection, and mindful consumption in supporting psychological well-being.
• Modern life and technology often pull us far from these basics.

Closing Reflections and Takeaways (53:48 – 55:44)

• Peter’s message to listeners struggling with pain or self-doubt:

  “If something really painful is going on in your life and you have negative opinions about yourself and maybe you think you’re broken. I don’t think you are. I really don’t. I don’t think you’re broken. I think you’ve had some wounds and wounds can heal.” (53:48, Peter)

• Hypnotherapy is a powerful, but not exclusive, path for healing. Healing is possible and people are more resilient than they realize.
• Morgan echoes the importance of diverse healing modalities and encourages openness to new approaches, reminding listeners that all aspects of life are interconnected and impactful.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Subconscious Mind:
  “Imagine that you or I is riding on top of an elephant. The rider...is like the conscious mind. The elephant is the subconscious mind. It’s running almost everything about your life.” (04:28, Peter)

• On Being Led to Hypnotherapy:
  “I felt like I was being led. That’s probably the best answer to your question. Why that? I felt like I was being led to it.” (09:05, Peter)

• Skepticism and Skeptic Roots:
  “There was something about it that made perfect sense to me, that you would have programming in your subconscious mind that would run your life unconsciously, and that this would be the perfect way...to begin to understand that and then to be able to begin to alter or change it.” (12:31, Peter)

• On Trauma and Triggers:
  “The trigger is metaphorically reaching inside and poking at the wound. And if there were no wound there, it wouldn’t hurt.” (34:29, Peter)

• On Words and Self-Talk:
  “It’s as if you’re walking around all the time...holding the hand of a four-year-old version of you. Meaning she believes everything you say.” (37:32, Peter)

• Exercise Demonstration:
  “Cuddly baby...Black dagger. Okay, open your eyes.” (44:45 – 46:25, Peter and Morgan)
  Morgan’s reaction reveals the physical and emotional power of words/thoughts alone.

• Encouragement to Listeners:
  “I believe that you are a child of God, that you have an inner magnificence, an inner light. And the only thing that’s dimming that light is really an illusion…” (53:48, Peter)

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Key Timestamps

• Peter’s Illness and Medical Diagnosis: 06:21
• Draw to Hypnotherapy and Serendipity: 09:05
• Skepticism, Myths, and “Everyday Hypnosis”: 12:06 – 26:53
• Defining and Treating Trauma/PTSD: 28:33
• Mechanics of Triggers and Suppression: 30:54 – 34:29
• Power of Language Exercise: 44:05 – 47:41
• Peter’s Closing Inspiration: 53:48

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Final Thoughts

This episode provides a comprehensive, accessible look into the science, art, and personal transformation possible through hypnotherapy. The conversation balances heartfelt storytelling, practical metaphors, real-world criticisms of modern mental health systems, and motivational messages. Listeners come away with a nuanced understanding of the subconscious mind, the interconnectedness of thoughts, emotions, biology, and the world around us, and are left encouraged to explore new pathways to healing.

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For more of Peter’s work:

• Look for his YouTube channel and books (as mentioned in the episode)
• Consider hypnotherapy, especially if conventional approaches have reached a dead end

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Host’s note:
“Not every therapy or experience is going to work for everyone, so knowing there’s a multitude of things out there that can help you heal like hypnotherapy is really cool to me.” (55:44, Morgan)

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Transcript

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[Peter McLaughlin]

Take this personally with Morgan Huelsman.

[Morgan Huelsman]

I recently did this interview and felt like it was the perfect compare to last week's episode where we opened up about grief and its entire existence and experience. The guy joining me this week was given 10 years to live, but he decided that giving up wasn't an option and changed his life through a means most wouldn't expect. And you've probably heard about it in movies or your favorite song or TV show. So let's get into it. Joining me this week is Peter McLaughlin. He is a hypnotherapist, life coach and an author, and I'm really excited to have you here. Thanks for being here, Peter.

[Peter McLaughlin]

I am thrilled to be here, Morgan. Thanks for the invitation.

[Morgan Huelsman]

So tell me, because I blindly decided not to look up Hypnotherapist. I don't even know if I'm saying that correctly. Hypnotherapist.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Hypnotherapist. It's named after the Greek God of sleep, which was called Hypnos. So hypnotherapy and hypnosis comes from that.

[Morgan Huelsman]

See, I did. I warned him before we started this podcast that I butcher things. So this. You saw it happen in real time.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Perfect. Which is much more difficult.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Well, hypnotherapist. Now, am I saying that correct? Perfect.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Got it. Yeah.

[Morgan Huelsman]

I purposely did not look it up because I wanted to hear from you what exactly that means. I have an idea. Obviously I've heard of hypnosis and those type of things, but walk me through what that means.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Okay, so you'd first need to understand or be aware of the distinction between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind. And one of the metaphors that I like to use is imagine that you or I is riding on top of an elephant. The rider, the human being, is like the conscious mind. The elephant is the subconscious mind. It's running almost everything about your life. It's 95% of your brain's processing power. It's all the automatic things you do from running your breathing and your immune system and your endocrine system and your reproductive. Reproductive system to even walking across the room. Once children learn how to walk, it becomes an unconscious competence, and you don't have to think about it anymore. If you did, you'd keep falling down like they do. So negative patterns can get embedded in the subconscious mind, and that could be something like addiction. It could be like a failed relationship after failed relationship. It could be something that we call self sabotage. There's any number of things. And in order to alter that, in order to shift or change it, it has to be done at the subconscious level. Because otherwise you're the rider on top of the elephant trying to get the elephant to steer towards, let's say, water or fire. And the elephant's like, I'm not going over there. And you don't have the physical power to force the elephant to do what it doesn't want to do.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Yeah. And that's such a good distinction between conscious and the unconscious mind, because I've never really thought about the fact of me being on an elephant or the fact that me walking and moving in daily life is such a unconscious thought. But that is why you're utilizing this to work through and help people to maximize the things in their life. So why did you even get into this line of work? I don't know that anybody just comes in or startles into this kind of work just out of nowhere. So talk me through that, too.

[Peter McLaughlin]

On the Same day in 2003, when I was volunteering to be a firefighter in my town in Connecticut, I was diagnosed with lyme disease and leukemia. And I had three little kids at the time. And when I asked the doctor how long I had to live, they said maybe 10 years. And when I went to see the hematologist, oncologist, they said, we don't know what causes this, and we don't know how to cure it. And so I threw myself into trying to understand this because I knew how much time could she give me? 10 minutes a day, or 10 minutes of visit is more like it. And she had pictures of little children behind her on her desk. And I knew what it was like to have little children and how she has. I'm not her only patient. And so I threw myself into this. And the long and the short of it is the more I studied, the more I came across how powerful the mind and body are connected. And I wanted to learn how to control my mind in order to lengthen my lifespan.

[Morgan Huelsman]

So you get this diagnosis right? And you're sitting in that doctor's office and you're realizing, okay, somebody's given me a deadline. They've given me a time stamp for my life. But that was not obviously something that you wanted to accept. And so you go searching for things, but why the hypnotherapy? Like, what about that drew you to work through the things that you were dealing with? And what I understand about a lot of medical and just natural ways of healing, that would be the more natural route. So walk me through why that one was front of mind for you and why you decided to go down that path when this diagnosis came in.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Yeah, I went on to become a firefighter. I went on to become an emt. And in my EMT training and in my research, I learned that the autonomic nervous system, that just means automatic. That's what's running your breathing, it's regulating your immune system, your digestive system, your endocrine system, and so on, your body temperature. And my issue was around immune system. And I thought if I could get into the master controller, like the pineal gland, and alter or help to regulate what's going on in my immune system, then my white blood cell count would come down. And that didn't mean that I wasn't doing other kinds of healing work as well. I was working with a naturopathic physician and we were doing detoxes and all this other stuff. But I came to understand, and I practice this way now, that people are sick because they either have environmental toxins in their body and, or they have emotional toxins in their mind. Trauma, old trauma. And because the mind and the body are connected, old trauma can still affect you even if it's been 30 years later.

[Morgan Huelsman]

You basically use this whole practice that you're doing now with people and working with people on you. You were the first test subject. You were the one who was experiencing it.

[Peter McLaughlin]

I was for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And a couple of other seemingly random things happened that lined all of this up. So one of them was I owned this small business and someone walked in and they wanted to ship a package to the Hypnotherapy Academy of America. And I ended up getting into an hour long conversation with her and I forgot about it. And then another incident happened and that memory popped up and I looked up that place, and it was started by a guy who used to be a PA paramedic. And the focus of that particular location in Santa Fe, New Mexico, was on the adjunctive medical uses of hypnotherapy. And I Just was like, this sounds like, almost too perfect. And then I called them up, and they said, we have one spot left, and we're starting up class on Monday. And it was like, Thursday of the preceding week. And I felt like I was being led. That's probably the best answer to your question. Why that? I felt like I was being led to it.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Do you feel like there's a potential connection because you working in emt, this guy who started this was a paramedic. Is there a potential connection there, or is that just consequential of what happened? Like, it was just so much so that you both happen to have a similar field in that, or is there something to EMTs, paramedics, and going down

[Peter McLaughlin]

this route since then, and that's been 20 years ago. I haven't run into other. I'm sure there are, but I haven't run into other hypnotherapists who are former firefighters or police officers or paramedics or EMTs. I haven't run into them. Doesn't mean that they're not there, but I haven't. It isn't like it's littered with people that do that.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Yeah, that's what I had to ask. I was like, there's two of you right there. So is that a thing? Am I missing something?

[Peter McLaughlin]

No, it really felt like it was. It was almost divine, preordained. It felt like the pieces just started falling into place. And when the final piece fell into place, I could see it just so clearly, and it was like, I know I have to do this. And Connecticut, Santa Fe, New Mexico, person walks in. It all just seemed, as I say, just perfect.

[Morgan Huelsman]

And was it when you got there? Because oftentimes when things do align in that way, when you got there, was it like, yes, I am supposed to be here. This is what the information that I need. Did you feel all of.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Yeah, immediately. Immediately. And I did have a little bit of buyer's remorse. When I got off the plane and I was on a bus headed from Albuquerque to Santa Fe, a car was driving by, kind of an old beater. And it said something like, ask me about hypnosis. And I was like, oh, my God, what am I going to? They had nothing to do with the place I was going to, but I had this moment of fear. I've just left my wife and my three little kids. I'm out here in a place I've never been before. What am I doing? But the next day, when I got to the school, it felt like, yeah, I'm definitely In the right place.

[Morgan Huelsman]

And so were you also questioning? Because oftentimes skeptics follow when it comes to any version of hypnosis. Right. There's a lot of people who have a lot of questions and more skepticism than not. So were you in that same category? Then, as you start to experience this, learn the information, and you go through it, is that when you were like, oh, no, this is not what everybody thinks. Where were you in that category of people?

[Peter McLaughlin]

That's a really good question. My role model growing up was my grandfather, who I felt like combined this athletic ability, physically imposing, and a really skilled athlete with a probing, analytical, open mind. And he actually used to quote this famous French hypnotist from the 1920s named Emile Couet. And his famous statement was, each day, in every way, I'm getting better and better that you just repeat this throughout the day to influence your subconscious mind. But I think there was also an aspect of me because I had been an actor in New York city for about 10 years until my wife and I met, and then she got pregnant with our first child. And I thought, I can't keep doing that because it doesn't make enough money. But there was still this. I don't know if you would call it like a magical viewpoint of how life really operates, but something like that was definitely operating in the background, and I didn't feel a whole bunch of skepticism the way I would about other things. There was something about it that made perfect sense to me, that you would have programming in your subconscious mind that would run your life unconsciously, and that this would be the perfect way, I thought, to begin to understand that and then to be able to begin to alter or change it.

[Morgan Huelsman]

That's so cool. It's cool to think about that potentially in your blood. Right. That there's somebody who had an impact way back when, and you just never realized it. That.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Yep.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Because as we've learned, so much of our childhood and our experiences shape who we are, and that's a big portion. So I could imagine that there's more to the story with your grandfather and the hypnosis, and there's stuff going on there.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Morgan Huelsman]

And now talk to me about hypnotherapy. So you do this work. You healed yourself. You worked through the things that you were experiencing. And. And why should somebody look into hypnotherapy? What would you say if somebody's going through something, that this would be a good path for them to go down?

[Peter McLaughlin]

Your mind controls everything about your life. Sometimes people Will say, what is hypnotherapy good for? And my answer, tongue in cheek, is whatever you use your mind for. Which everything.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Yes.

[Peter McLaughlin]

And a lot of my clients are people who've gone down conventional roads like I did, and then they hit a dead end. It just doesn't. Nothing is working and they're in a state of misery. And so when a person reaches that point like I did, I think it often evokes. It either evokes this feeling of hopelessness and a person gives up, or it's, I just haven't found the answer yet. And that connotes more of an open minded approach. And that's really one of the three characteristics that I need with someone, is that open mind. People will have tried and exhausted all of these other avenues. They will have gotten to know me through my YouTube channel, which has a decently large size, following someone who's already worked with me as their friend or their family member and has said, you've got to work with this guy. These are the ways typically that people will find me. And so they're already open a little bit. And then when I talk to them, they pretty quickly understand how that part of their mind is actually running, the patterns that's creating the unwanted situations. I said before, there are people that get into one after another, unsatisfying, unhappy relationships. And at that point it's obvious that there's something inside of that person that is choosing this kind of person from all the other fish in the sea. And there are reasons for that, but there are always unconscious reasons. People aren't making. I don't think people are making stupid decisions. I think they are making emotional decisions, which is what science tells us. Every single decision that we make is emotional. And then the conscious mind comes in and justifies it, oh, we should cut back on our spending for the next month because our credit card bills are pretty high. Yeah, that's a really good idea. Let's do that. And then tomorrow I'm walking in the mall and I see something, oh my God. And I have an emotion. And then my mind goes to work justifying why it is on sale. And I am going to be getting a raise in six months, whatever that is. And then before I know it, I find myself buying it. And that's just how we roll as human beings.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Do you feel like when people go through this process, it's this awakening that they experience because. Or calming experience maybe where they feel like the pressure is gone? Because you even hearing you talk about that, right. Hearing our conscious and Our subconscious kind of fight each other over who's going to win out, who's going to win in this situation. I would have to imagine that once you've awoken and understood more about this, the subconscious part of you, that you start to feel a peace, you start to feel an understanding. There's more calmness that comes with making decisions, with understanding who you are. Am I wrong in that?

[Peter McLaughlin]

No, you're not wrong. You're entirely correct. And if you think about it, it's almost wired into all of us as humans. When something really painful happens, what's the first thing we do? We say, why? Why me? Why? That's what everybody wants to know. And when you can answer that and when it has a logic to it, when there's a purpose behind this, then, yes, immense peace comes over the person. And they also have taken something that was previously hidden and brought it into the light of day. There's a quote from the famous Swedish or Swiss psychologist Carl Jung that I love, which is, until you make the unconscious conscious, it will rule your life and you will call it fate.

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[Morgan Huelsman]

why do you think it is then that we are so scared to have these conversations? Because we get back to skeptics and we get back to people who just really can't fathom that stuff like this is out there, that this belief system is out there, that there's this ability to understand ourselves in that way. If it is so important to do this, which I agree with you, I think it is. I think that's where a lot of inner work comes from. But why do you think there's so many people that are so just hardened against it, don't want to believe that it's possible to be having these things happen

[Peter McLaughlin]

because that opens up so many such a huge can of worms.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Talking about somebody who's like really understood the mind, right? Like you're seeing people in real time, probably have these experiences where they're like, I didn't even know that it was possible for me to understand this or feel this way.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Yes. And people might say, why wasn't I taught anything about this? How come my doctor didn't recommend this? How come I didn't know about this 20 years ago? How come I took all these drugs? How come I had to have surgery? Maybe I'm just. We are born into a culture, a society like every culture in society that starts to mold and shape the children before they're adults. It's part of being able to function in that society, being able to function in that culture. And hypnosis I've always thought of as a double edged sword. The one edge of the sword is people are fascinated by it because we've all been saturated with the words hypnosis, hypnotize and mesmerize since we were small kids. In every form of primarily entertainment, even the lyrics of songs, comic books, novels, plays, movies, TV shows, newscasters throw around these words. But so there's a fascination. But then the other side, the other edge is the fear side. That's the one you're talking about because in the dramatic entertainment version, it's always presented as one person hypnotist in control of the other person's subject who's walking around with their hands out in front of them in a catatonic sleep like state. They do whatever they're told, including barking like a dog or clucking like a chicken and they don't remember Anything. So people are going to be fascinated and scared. Fascinated and scared. But when they understand that every human being, even you, goes in and out of hypnosis all the time anyway. You just haven't learned. That's what it is. So for example, if you're driving your car, you're thinking about something that's going on in your life, your relationship, your work, a TV show you watched last night, you pull into your driveway and you can't remember driving the last 10, 15, 20 minutes. That's because you were in hypnosis. No hypnotist present. If you're an athlete and you're in a flow state, you're hypnotized. If you're a singer in Nashville and you're performing and everything's going perfectly flow state, that's also hypnosis. If you get in the shower and you look at your leg and you're like, got a bruise that big on your thigh, like, where did that come from? I guess it came from playing basketball two days ago. But you didn't remember taking the hit that would produce that kind of pain. That's also hypnosis. All it means is that you were so focused on what you were doing that everything else outside this tiny little diameter of awareness, it's like it didn't happen. The driving didn't happen, the pain of the hit didn't happen. That's all it is. And people go in and out all the time. And I would also like to make a public service announcement and that would be for anyone concerned about hypnosis, that you would never want to do that. Please not only turn off your television, get rid of it. And while you're at it, get rid of your laptop and your phone. Because you by definition are going into hypnosis. When you are looking at those devices, when you're doom scrolling, you're in hypnosis. When you're watching television and someone calls your name and you don't hear them, you don't respond to them, you're in hypnosis. This is why companies spend billions of dollars every single year to persuade people like you who are in a hypnotic state. When you're watching the beer commerc, when you're gonna ask your doctor if plovecta is right for you.

[Morgan Huelsman]

I love that you just simplified this so hardcore. Right? Because you're so spot on that we really do connect certain things with the way that we've been taught about them. That's what we've done. And that's no different than for hypnosis I grew up with it, that all I thought of was magicians and magic when it came to it. And then you get older and you learn about other things and whatnot, and that's how we're even here having this conversation. When. When I. About you, I was like, yeah, I want to know more. Teach me. And I think it's crazy to even think about now, in the simplest terms of how you put it, of how much we are in hypnosis, in our own lives. Why, almost.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Yeah. Vast amounts of the time. And if we weren't, as I said before, you would not be able to function. If you had to think about every muscle that would need to fire in the proper order, you'd be like a toddler. You'd keep falling down when you tried to walk across the room. If you had to think about how to shake someone's hand, if you had to think about, oh, I gotta remember to keep my heart beating, you'd die in your sleep. All of this is being regulated by the subconscious mind through the autonomic. All that means is automatic nervous system. And the other thing I'd like to

[Morgan Huelsman]

do, that's how we function. Right. Like, that's human. That's how we live is because of that.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Yep. And it's all based on patterns. And then you have this person sitting on top of the elephant that can think in unique ways, has a will force. But for that will force to be successful, it has to have the elephant going in the same direction. It can't be in opposition.

[Morgan Huelsman]

They have to work as one. It's like, in tandem.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Of course, the other thing that's really vital to understand is let's think about something like ptsd. So the subconscious mind has no concept of time. Everything to the subconscious is now. It's only the conscious mind that can recognize past, present, and future. The job of the subconscious mind is to protect you. That's its job. So for a person who was in an IED blast in Fallujah 15 years ago, the reason that they're still suffering now, the reason they wake up in a sweat, the reason that they hear a tone of voice or a sharp noise and they behave as though they're under attack is because their subconscious mind is in the now and it hasn't been updated. It still thinks, even though the person's 5,000 miles away, they're not wearing the uniform anymore, and 15 years has passed, the subconscious is still there and is trying to protect them.

[Morgan Huelsman]

So I would imagine, then hypnotherapy is Especially important for people who do experience ptsd, because that's what's going to help them get out of that.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Absolutely. And I would go further. This is just. This is so no one take what I say as gospel, but my belief is that almost everybody's walking around with some form of ptsd, not just military and first responders. So a child who was beaten as a child, or someone who earlier in life was, say, assaulted, sexually assaulted, or even someone who was called up in front of the class and told. Asked to solve a math problem and they couldn't solve it, and the whole class laughed at them. The teacher just sat there and watched it, and now they're afraid to speak in public. That's actually a form of ptsd. The subconscious mind of that person, when they're going to get behind a lectern or stand in front of a microphone, is going, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. This doesn't work for us. Get out of here.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Yeah, because is it true that when things triggered. Right, we talk about triggers. When you get triggered back into that place and something causes mind back there. So what's happening there with your mind? Walk me through the science of that. Because triggers have always been really interesting to me because I have my own, and it's wild to watch my body experience something like that.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Okay, so what's being triggered is a previous trauma or something that the mind perceived as a trauma. And because it has no concept of time, it actually believes that you are in danger in that moment.

[Morgan Huelsman]

It's like putting you right back in that same position that you were when it actually happened. So is there something also to it when we talk about pushing things down? Like, you have a lot of people who will make jokes where I push that way back in my subconscious. I don't know where it is. I gotta find it. Is that a true thing? Is there any truth to us being like, I'm pushing that down and I'm not remembering it anymore, or I'm gonna get black that part of my life out. Does that actually happen? Or is it just functioning there and something in us hid it from another part of us? I've always been curious about this act of pushing things away.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Yeah, the equivalent of. Let me first say that as a person who was a first responder for a while, we encounter all kinds of traumatic things. People who are dead, people who are dying, houses on fire, cars on fire, horrible accidents, blood. People that have chopped their fingers off, like, all kinds of stuff. Children, you name it. And in the moment, that's the right thing to do is to push it down because you can't function. You couldn't help people if you started to lose it while these people are in the midst of their own crisis. But pushing something down is the equivalent of having a rotten carcass of meat in your house. And you just put it in the pantry and you shut the door and then you put tape around the edges of it and every so often you spray Lysol on it. Every time you walk by it, you're going to get a little smell of it. Other things are going to happen inside that room that aren't going to be so great. In other words, whatever you shove down is not going to be eliminated. It's going to exert an effect on you in ways you may or may not be aware of. You might suddenly find that you're distracting yourself from life by drinking more than you should or smoking marijuana every day or doom scrolling or gambling or. I think that's what addiction is. I think addiction is a distraction from some kind of pain and an old trauma that's lodged inside of you or a series of them behaves like what it is, which is pain. It's not supposed to be lodged in you forever.

[Morgan Huelsman]

And I think that's so interesting to talk about because you definitely do have people out there and they've learned to exist with it, they just work with it, it's part of them and that's how they handle it. And then you have other people who really choose to work through it, find their way through it, understand what it means, how it impacts them and they come out the other side. And I think you have those different types of people. So I was always just curious how that really did impact them. When you see somebody push something down and you can tell that they just pushed it away, what is the result of that? And you're talking about it, there's a long term impact to that. There might be a short term relief and you feel better and you can work through things. Like you said, if you're an EMT or you're in the military or you're in something that deals with a lot of trauma, especially often. But to your point, it's not something we should let stay there. Like you can push it down if you need to for the moment, but. But pushing that away is only making things harder for you later.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Definitely. And if you are a person who says I have triggers, that's like saying I have wounds. Because the trigger is metaphorically reaching inside and poking at the wound. And if there were no wound there, it wouldn't hurt. Or if we want to mix metaphors and use firearms, if the gun is not loaded and it's unsafe and you pull the trigger, nothing's gonna happen. You gotta have a gun, it has to be loaded and the safety has to be off for the trigger to actually do anything.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Well, I feel like for a lot of people too, and I can speak from experience, I think it takes a certain environment for them to get to a place where they can start to work through those triggers or feel safe enough to do so. And so that's why I wanted to bring you on is because I think for a significant portion of anybody who's listening who may be like, yes, I need this, they might not have that safe environment. And I've been lucky that I've found that safe environment to work through. Minor, a lot of relationship based abuse and trauma and until I found myself in a safe relationship, is when I finally felt comfortable to start working through it. But some people may never have that. They may never find themselves in a safe situation with whatever triggers them, with whatever trauma happened to be able to work through that, which I would imagine is really where hypnotherapy comes in, because they can work through it and they're creating their safe environment.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Yeah, for sure. I completely agree with that. And I also agree with if a person's in a abusive relationship right now or they're in some other dangerous situation, obviously the first step is to become physically safe. You have to do that before you can work on things that happened to you in the past. But ultimately those things that happened in the past are going to have to be addressed. Because one of the things I like to say, okay, so very well meaning people, and I understand it, will say things to people like, there's nothing you can do about that now. That's in the past. You just have to move forward. And I say you are the past. Meaning the way you encounter the present and the way you will encounter the future is based upon everything that's happened in the past and most importantly, how you have interpreted it, how you have digested it. That's really the prism through which you see the present and the future. Imagine someone who just says, oh, I'm just not lucky. Why would you statistically, mathematically not be lucky? But the person standing next to you is. It makes no sense. It's a belief. But the belief will often drive that kind of an outcome.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Is that in relation to. We often hear the words that you say matter the words that you say to yourself especially matter. Is there a lot of this that's coming out here?

[Peter McLaughlin]

It's. It's mental. Yes. Yes. And there's a book, you may have heard of it. It's called the Four Agreements. The subtitle is Ancient Toltec wisdom. And one of the four agreements is to be impeccable with your word. And the way I like to describe this to my clients is it's as if you're walking around all the time. You, Morgan, are walking around all the time holding the hand of a four year old version of you. Meaning she believes everything you say. She doesn't get sarcasm, she doesn't get nuance. Everything is literal. If you told her the world was going to end tonight, she would panic. If you told her she was a beautiful, brilliant, smart little girl who the world is her oyster, she would believe it. So we have to be so careful with what we say and most of our language is also unconscious. And it's one of the things that I listen for when I'm working with my clients.

[Morgan Huelsman]

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[Morgan Huelsman]

okay, I want to hear more about this.

[Peter McLaughlin]

I have a client right now who among the constellation of Issues that he had when he filled out the intake form and when we were talking was like a really bad back. And I don't know, maybe 10 minutes later we're talking about this other traumatic thing that happened in his life where some family members did something to him regarding money and he said, that really broke my back when they did that. The subconscious mind is literal. It's literal.

[Morgan Huelsman]

So really it's like this, what I'm picturing and I don't know if you've seen it, there's a movie where the girl draws like a creature and it comes to life.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Okay.

[Morgan Huelsman]

It's literally like our mind and our words that we're saying comes to life.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Yes. Yeah.

[Morgan Huelsman]

So you, you talk about like the four year old version of me, which was. I had chills thinking about that, by the way, where I'm like just bringing her along with my whole life. And it's so true though, and I wish we pictured that more often. Yeah, but you mentioned that. And I just, I think when you can picture that more often, you can realize that who you're speaking to is. You're not like the words that you're saying and what you know, I often have the moments in the mirror where I like, I'm really hard on myself. I'm looking at my body image and I'm really hard on myself and I know where it comes from, I know what caused it. And I have to like really, really take back hold of that and say, no, we're not gonna, we're not gonna do that today. And now I have that visual image of 4 year old me standing next to me and how she would feel if I was saying those things to her. And that visual representation of that was just crazy. And it also reminded me of the movie of just things coming to life. A lot of people will mention you're speaking things into existence. And that's so much of this.

[Peter McLaughlin]

I used to teach a lot smaller classes, like 20, 25 people about hypnosis, about different parts, different things you can do with it. And one of the exercises I would do is I would have everybody in the class close their eyes and I would say, I'm just gonna say two, two word phrases. And the first one, do you wanna do it, see what happens? Yeah, I have no idea. Let's just close your eyes for a second.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Okay.

[Peter McLaughlin]

All right, so just close your eyes and I just want you to allow your mind and your body to create whatever it wants to create in response to this first two word phrase. And then keep your Eyes closed and I'll do a second one, okay?

[Morgan Huelsman]

Okay.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Cuddly baby, cuddly baby. Just notice what's happening. Cuddly baby, Notice what's happening in your mind. If you see anything, if you hear anything, if you smell anything, and notice how your body reacts. Cuddly baby, cuddly baby.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Do you want me to tell you what's happening?

[Peter McLaughlin]

No, no, not yet. Not yet. Now we're going to do the second one, so keep your eyes closed. You ready? Black dagger. Black.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Oh, gosh, that's horrible. I don't like that.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Black dagger. Okay, open your eyes.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Don't like that experience.

[Peter McLaughlin]

So tell me what happened when you heard cuddly baby. What did you see? Anything?

[Morgan Huelsman]

I saw my dog, Remy. She was the first thing I saw because she's really cuddly and like a little teddy bear. And then I started seeing a bunch of little animals just running around because I love animals. And then I was, like, cuddling them. I got excited to hold them.

[Peter McLaughlin]

And were there any colors?

[Morgan Huelsman]

It was a lot of rainbows. It was just really pretty. And like, I. I felt. I. You probably saw me smiling because I was literally picturing baby animals.

[Peter McLaughlin]

And in addition to you smiling, did you notice any feelings in your body? Light. Heavy. Tense. Relaxed. Warm. Cold.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Warm. Very light. Just very. Oh, this is my happy place.

[Peter McLaughlin]

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[Morgan Huelsman]

And then.

[Peter McLaughlin]

What about black dagger? I saw the reaction.

[Morgan Huelsman]

No, I literally thought about a black dagger. And then I thought they were all gonna die. And then I got scared, and I was like, I don't want to see what's happening now.

[Peter McLaughlin]

And what happened in your body.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Immediate tense. Yeah, I. My whole. You saw me. My visceral reaction was like, I don't want to see that.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Okay, so that's a very quick example of how powerful words are and how they directly affect. Affect what you're seeing in the landscape of your mind and how it affects your body. Even add anything to it to cuddly baby or black debtor. It just said it.

[Morgan Huelsman]

But that was all natural. Everything that just happened there was completely natural.

[Peter McLaughlin]

So imagine what's rolling around in your mind. If you have 60,000 thoughts a day on average, and you're only aware of about 5% of them, what thoughts are rolling around in there all the time that are producing some kind of action in your body, some kind of emotional state. I'm safe. I'm not safe. I'm worthy. I'm unworthy. We don't know all the time. This is how powerful it is, including what kind of media you Expose yourself to. We all know if you eat Twinkies all the time, your body's going to show it. We know that, right? Your emotions will probably show it too. But what we're not as versed in is what goes in through your eyes and your ears is also going to affect you the same way, if not more powerfully than what you put in your mouth or on your skin.

[Morgan Huelsman]

It's true, though, because when I watch, say, I'll watch an action movie, right? And I'm like, oh, that was really good. But I immediately have to be like, I need something calming, relaxed, makes me smile, happy. I can't. And I have to work myself up if I want to watch something considered more dark or more gruesome, if you will, that I have to be in a certain mind to be able to consume that. And it's interesting that you say that, because I've never thought on the opposite side of that. Maybe I shouldn't consume it. Maybe I shouldn't be allowing myself to have that experience. It should be this one. And I just have. Never again. Much to what you said is we're not well versed in because we've been trained. Hey, you should watch these things. Everybody's watching everything. Everybody's consuming everything that's out there. But why haven't we thought about the adverse reaction to that and how it

[Peter McLaughlin]

is impacting us, which gets us full circle back to. No one except strange people like me knows anything about hypnosis. Even psychologists don't receive adequate instruction as to what it is or how to do it. So people are left with just the entertainment version, which is a form of ignorance. And it's the same thing with entertainment. We're led down this primrose path that it's totally harmless, that it has no effect on people. But I think we all know in our gut that if you were to watch, say, horror movies 12 hours a day for three days in a row, you'd be in a really bad state at the end of the three days.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Yeah, I can't even watch horror movies ever. I stopped watching. I went to one as a kid and I was like, that is not for me. It's funny because some people will love to be like you, love to exist in unicorns and rainbows. And you know what? Sometimes I do. Sometimes I prefer to just believe it's unicorns and rainbows.

[Peter McLaughlin]

And the diet that you're feeding your mind is obviously important. And I'm not saying people should never eat a Twinkie. But know what? You're doing when you eat it, it's having the knowledge. And if you're suffering like so many people are suffering from anxiety, so many people are suffering from depression and so many people are suffering from being grossly overweight. And they don't understand that what you're consuming through your eyes and your ears leads you down that same path that we just demonstrated with Cuddly Baby and Black Dagger. And when you're in a state of stress and anxiety and you add something through your eyes and your ears that enhances. This doesn't make any sense. And when that, when we know, okay, that's causing my body to dump adrenaline and cortisol. And I know because my heartbeat is elevated. And the purpose of cortisol, one of its purposes is to tell your body, hold onto all available fat. If I can't sleep well at night because I'm suffering from so much anxiety, then my body's looking for energy and it's going, yeah, give me the caffeine, give me the sugar, give me the whatever. Because it's trying to get energy. So these things are all interconnected. And I don't think we can just divorce this massive aspect of our lives, entertainment, media, whatever, and just let it sit over there on the shelf as though it doesn't have. It's not interconnected with everything else.

[Morgan Huelsman]

Yeah. If there's one thing I've learned, especially in the last few years of doing this podcast and the people that I talk to is everything is connected, everything has a purpose, everything is driving to one central part of you and it's all shaping who you are. It doesn't matter which therapy you walk down, it doesn't matter which velocity or process. It is all connected. And to believe otherwise would kind of be silly. And it just, I guess, close minded, if you will, to not think that things have an impact us on the way that they do. And I feel silly even in this moment, not really considering just how impactful the things that we watch and consume are. You know it, you mentioned it. It's in your gut. You have that feeling. And that's probably where a lot of me comes out when I'm like, I can't watch that. I know that I'm not in the headspace handle something like that, but I wish that I'd push it even further to just say, maybe we just don't need that. Maybe we don't need to fill the void so much. Maybe we need to sit with our own thoughts a little bit more, have some more silence in our lives. And I think that's impactful too. I would imagine that's also in the same vein of talking about that is. Is having more silence, more calm, more introspective, if you will. Just thoughts with ourselves is also beneficial to the flip side of not consuming all the time.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Yeah, sure. And being in nature is huge too. And yeah, yeah. Being with friends, being with people, the things that we did for all of human history. And now it's changed so radically and it's changing by the day. With artificial intelligence and all of these other things, it's, I think, even more imperative that we get back to basics because that's how we're wired physically, biologically, psychologically, spiritually. We're wired for the natural world. We're not really wired for the electronic world.

[Morgan Huelsman]

We're not robots, even if people want to be. There's some of that's happening. I am just absolutely fascinated. And now I am about to go down a whole whirlwind of learning about hypnotherapy and the work and stuff. I purposefully did this because I wanted to learn through you and understand. And I now it's more fun for me when I. Because I can go online and I can do research and I read your bio and all the things, but it's cooler to understand a perspective that you aren't familiar with, somebody who's well experienced in it. And so it was fun for me to get to hear that. Something that I do to end the podcast and it's where the floor gets taken over to you. You. It's can be inspirational, motivational, or it can be something that's just heavy on your heart that you think we should talk about that maybe we didn't get to. So I hand it over to you and you end us on.

[Peter McLaughlin]

Okay. I like to end often on this concept that truth that if you're listening to this and something really painful is going on in your life and you have negative opinions about yourself and maybe you think you're broken. I don't think you are. I really don't. I don't think you're broken. I think you've had some wounds and wounds can heal. And a wound in the mind is just as serious, if not more so in some cases, not all as a wound in the body. And it needs attention and there are ways of doing it, and hypnosis is not the only way. It's just one of the ways. But take faith, take heart that you can find your way through this. You're not permanently broken. I believe that you are a child of God, that you have an inner magnificence, an inner light. And the only thing that's dimming that light is really an illusion because it's like the glass got smudged or something. But the light is still in there, there.

[Morgan Huelsman]

I love that it's taking your power back is the vibe that I got from it for sure. And, and it's hard. We are in, unfortunately a bit of a broken world where people feel very broken, feel very out of sorts, and one of the best ways that we can start to not feel that way is to tapping back into ourselves and understanding ourselves better. So I think hypnotherapy is a great place for people to look into if they are much like you said, just feel like it's nothing has ever worked for them or they haven't felt seen before and which tends to be my podcast audience, I like to ensure people feel seen through moments where they otherwise felt alone or people don't talk about things that make them uncomfortable. I appreciate that and I think a lot of people will too. So Peter, thank you for your knowledge and wisdom. It was fun to hear you and I'm happy to have you on.

[Peter McLaughlin]

And thank you. I really enjoyed this.

[Morgan Huelsman]

The coolest thing to me is bringing on people who give us a new option, a new way of doing things. Not every therapy or experience is going to work for everyone, so knowing there's a multitude of things out there that can help you heal like hypnotherapy is really cool to me. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Give the podcast 5 stars on whatever platform you're listening to if you did, and be sure to to subscribe for more episodes. I can't believe we're nearing the 100th episode. What a wild ride it's been. Thank you for being here. I love you. Mean it. Bye.

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