TAKE THIS PERSONALLY - You're Missing Your Life While Worrying About Your Body

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "TAKE THIS PERSONALLY – You're Missing Your Life While Worrying About Your Body"

The Bobby Bones Show, June 13, 2026
Host: Morgan Kman
Guest: Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)

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Main Theme

The episode centers on how modern society, particularly social media and current wellness trends, distorts our relationships with our bodies, leading both men and women to miss out on life’s most meaningful moments by obsessing over appearance. Host Morgan Kman and guest Yasmeen, a body image coach, discuss their personal stories, the impact of societal messaging, practical strategies for improving body image, and ways to reclaim joy and presence regardless of body shape or size.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Root of Body Image Struggles

• Personal Journeys:
  • Yasmeen shares her early experiences: striving to be liked and believing attractiveness was key, leading to an obsession with achieving the “slim thick” ideal ([04:11-06:06]). Despite nearing that standard, she never felt enough.
  • Social media’s impact: Constant comparison and dissatisfaction fostered through feeds and trends ([05:16-05:43]).
  • Perspective shift: Witnessing her mom’s struggles with muscular dystrophy highlighted the privileges of a functioning body:
    • “I have this body that’s healthy and capable… and yet I’m so fixated on wanting it to look a certain way… [while] someone I love would give anything to have a body that could...” – Yasmeen ([06:06-06:24])

2. The Social Context & Ubiquity of Negative Messaging

• Every Woman’s Experience:

  • Morgan and Yasmeen agree that practically every woman, and many men, grapple with negative body image due to relentless messaging about thinness ([08:31-10:51]).
  • Even joyful milestones (wedding dress shopping, falling in love) are tainted by body worries:
    • “All I could do was think about all the things that were wrong about me… instead of highlighting the happiness…” – Morgan ([09:34-10:51])
    • “Looking back... it’s kind of sad... I was so distracted by [my appearance] that I was not fully there for it.” – Yasmeen ([11:02-11:48])

• The Weight Loss Industry and Online Culture:

  • Body dissatisfaction is monetized. Products, plans, and drugs are everywhere; social media supercharges this exposure ([13:05-14:49]).
  • “It revolves around taking women’s power away... convincing them what you look like matters... That’s a complete lie.” – Yasmeen ([14:47-15:11])

3. Navigating Health, Wellness, and the Fine Line With Obsession

• Balancing Health vs. Image:

  • Morgan and Yasmeen discuss the dicey terrain between wanting health and getting stuck in toxic patterns. Yasmeen advocates for starting with mindset, not just diet and exercise ([15:54-17:41]).
  • Discover purpose and joy: Instead of working out just for looks, find activities that bring joy or resemble childhood play ([16:59-17:41]).
  • The confusion around “healthy eating”—so many mixed messages that many feel defeated ([19:37-19:53]).

• The Role of Stress:

  • Stress about appearance and food is more damaging than “bad food” itself ([20:16-20:31]).
  • “I think stress is worse for us than bad food… up there with some of the worst things.” – Yasmeen ([20:16-20:31])

4. Healing Body Image – Practical Tools & Mindset Shifts

• Daily Self-Kindness and Rewiring Thought Patterns:

  • Bringing awareness to negative self-talk: Many don’t realize how cruel their internal dialogue is until they say it aloud in coaching ([27:37-28:00]).
  • Reconnecting with one's younger self—treating the present self with the compassion one would offer a child:
    • “When they think of themselves as a child, they’re so much more able to have understanding and love… but not for their adult self.” – Yasmeen ([28:32-28:59])
  • Techniques: Gratitude journaling focused on the body, “flipping the script,” and small intentional practices to cultivate positivity ([29:12-29:55]).

• Managing Daily Triggers:

  • Strategies for challenging moments (trying on clothes, doctor’s visits, etc.): Name the experience, bring mindful awareness, reconnect with the present moment, employ sensory grounding, and show physical care towards oneself ([45:45-48:38]).
  • The importance of “baby steps”—gradual exposure and gentle self-challenge ([49:14-49:45]).
  • “I’m very adamant about reminding women that you are capable of changing these patterns... believe in yourself and your ability to change.” – Yasmeen ([49:22-49:27])

5. Relationships, Social Circles, and Generational Patterns

• Influence of Family and Peers:

  • Many negative beliefs are inherited, especially from mothers or close relatives. Breaking generational cycles is hard, but awareness and communication help ([34:48-36:13]).
  • “Your relationship with your body is determined by [your mother’s] relationship with her body...” – Yasmeen ([35:16-35:21])
  • Discarding negative energy: Talk about painful comments, allow space for healing, practice nervous system regulation (breathing, movement) ([36:44-37:27]).

• Contagion of Self-Talk:

  • Negative self-talk affects others—partners, friends, even future generations. Morgan notices it was only when she saw its impact on others that she wanted to stop ([39:47-40:00]).

  • “There are so many things we say to ourselves that we would never say to someone else.” – Yasmeen ([40:15-40:16])

  • Stopping the cycle: Consciously stop voicing negative self-judgments, as a step toward change ([41:02-41:19]).

6. The Current "Skinny" Trend & Navigating Social Pressures

• Worry Over Harmful Trends:

  • Both host and guest see a “return to thinness” in pop culture, often normalized by celebrities and the media, and how triggering it is for those with body image struggles ([51:01-52:12]).
  • Nuanced take: It’s vital to talk about unhealthy skinniness without falling into body-shaming territory ([53:01-53:13]).
  • Yasmeen notes immense variation in online opinions—many feel entitled to judge women’s bodies; comments online are reflections of their own learned beliefs ([54:24-54:47]).

• Hope Through Positive Content:

  • There is more body-neutral, body-positive content now than ever – both see hope in growing counter-movements ([55:58-56:10]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On missing life while obsessing:

  • “Life is something that flashes by… being alive is one of the most precious gifts there is… whatever we can do to be present for that, we should do it.” – Yasmeen ([56:35-57:17])

• On generational messages:

  • “Your relationship with your body is determined by your mom’s relationship with her body… this cycle… [gets] passed down…” – Yasmeen ([35:16-35:49])

• On the never-ending pursuit of the ideal:

  • “No matter how close I got to that ideal body type, it was never enough. I never felt better.” – Yasmeen ([05:06-05:13])

• On the power of self-kindness:

  • “We can be really mean to ourselves when we feel like we’re falling short… I always want to bring that kindness into the process.” – Yasmeen ([26:50-27:02])

• On daily tools:

  • “One thing… daily that takes you out of your mind— even just for five minutes— that is one of the keys to life.” – Yasmeen ([57:37-57:42])

• On the stress of “healthy eating”:

  • “I think stress is worse for us than bad food... up there with some of the worst things.” – Yasmeen ([20:16-20:31])

• On the power of stopping negative self-speech:

  • “At least if you make a commitment to not speak out loud these negative thoughts… you’re taking a step toward… changing your relationship with yourself.” – Yasmeen ([41:08-41:19])

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Important Timestamps

• [04:11] Yasmeen’s story: roots of appearance anxiety
• [06:06] Life perspective shift—value of a functioning body
• [09:34] Morgan’s wedding dress story—missing joy due to body shame
• [11:02] Yasmeen’s perspective on missing moments due to distraction by looks
• [13:05] Social media and constant negative messaging
• [15:54] Navigating being health-conscious vs. obsessive
• [19:37] The confusion and overwhelm of changing advice about “healthy food”
• [27:31] How Yasmeen helps clients build kindness and rewire self-talk
• [34:48] The role of family and breaking generational cycles
• [41:02] The importance of not voicing negative thoughts as a first step
• [45:45] Practical tips for handling daily triggers (clothes shopping, doctors, etc.)
• [51:01] Concerns over celebrity trends and societal “return to skinny”
• [56:35] Final inspirational message: the urgency of presence & gratitude for life

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Takeaways & Actionable Advice

• Presence Over Appearance:
  Obsessing over looks steals the joy from some of life’s most precious experiences; reclaim your presence by disengaging from toxic body standards.

• Self-Awareness and Compassion:
  Notice your inner dialogue. Offer yourself the same kindness you’d give a child or friend.

• Small, Consistent Steps:
  Real change (in thought and action) is incremental. Celebrate and build on minor victories.

• Reframe Health:
  Engage in healthful habits for how they make you feel, not just how you look; reduce stress over obsessive “clean eating.”

• Challenge Social and Generational Messages:
  Recognize and disrupt inherited beliefs. Create safer dialogue and support for yourself and others.

• Use Triggers as Learning Moments:
  Tricky situations (try-ons, checkups, online images) can be opportunities to practice new, gentle self-talk and boundaries.

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Tone and Language

The conversation is empathetic, honest, and deeply personal—balancing vulnerability with practical, hopeful strategies. Both Morgan and Yasmeen speak candidly about insecurity, inviting listeners into a safe, judgment-free examination of their own body image realities.

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For Further Support

• Follow Yasmeen’s body image coaching online.
• Engage in daily gratitude or compassion practices around body image.
• Reach out for professional help if body image struggles impact your daily life.

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“It’s such a blessing to be alive, to be in a body, to experience the good and the bad. Whatever we can do to be present for that, we should do it.”
— Yasmeen, [57:03-57:17]

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Transcript

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Take this personally with Morgan Kman Last

[Morgan Kman (Outro)]

week we did a deep dive into the feminine and masculine and how alphas should die early. It's a huge topic on social media lately. So now we're going into another big

[Morgan Kman]

topic that's been the primary focus of,

[Morgan Kman (Outro)]

I would bet, most people's social media feeds. And it's talking about the current skinny culture and body image issues and the things that we all face. Yes, all everybody who's listening to this, male and female.

[Morgan Kman]

And I think it's a really important topic that we should be addressing.

[Morgan Kman (Outro)]

So let's get into it.

[Morgan Kman]

Joined this week by Yasmeen, and she is a body image coach. And let me tell you, I found her content online because in a world of people telling us how and what we should be looking like, her content was a very refreshing reminder that I needed. So thank you for joining me today.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

Thank you for having me.

[Morgan Kman]

I'm excited to talk about this because like I just mentioned, we're in a crazy world right now. We always are, I think, in the world of body image. But this conversation is more important really now than ever. But before we kind of get into all the fun details of all of that, talk to me about your story and why you are a body image coach, why this was so important to you.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

Yeah. Oh my gosh. Okay, we have to go back a little bit. I was always very aware of what people thought of me and always wanted to be liked.

In high school, I really wanted to be popular.

Like it was a big thing that

I wanted people to like me.

And so I think early on as a woman, I realized that the key to people liking me was to be attractive. And so I kind of became fixated on that. It became a really big part of my identity. And when I was fresh out of high school, early into adulthood, it was the slim thick era. So everyone wanted curves but like a

small waist and this very particular kind

of Kardashian inspired body type. And I did not naturally have that. So I got really into lifting weights to try to build that in the gym. And I would say that just made

me more Obsessed with what I looked like.

And no matter how close I got to that ideal body type, it was never enough. I never felt better.

I always had someone to compare myself to.

Social media added to the problem, and I was just never satisfied with myself

and with my body.

And I thought that my physical appearance

was the most interesting thing about me,

the most what I had to focus

on the most to be liked and to be accepted in the world.

So, yeah, I kind of experienced what it was like to feel that desire

to look different and try to get

closer to that and successfully get closer to that and still have that desire. And I saw through the illusion that

looking a certain way would make you feel confident and great all the time, because that was not the case for me.

And I also, at the same time,

watched my mom struggle with muscular dystrophy,

which is a disease that makes it

so her muscles are just becoming weaker

over time and she isn't really able to have much of a life as

a result of that. And so it was this weird contrast

of I have this body that's healthy and capable of doing the things that I want it to do, and yet I'm so fixated on wanting, wanting it to look a certain way. And in the pursuit of that ideal

body, I'm completely disconnected from the body I already have.

And here's a very clear example of

someone close to me that I love

who would give anything to have a body that could take her around the block or take her for a run. So, yeah, I just realized what was happening. I'm a very, I think very deeply, and I. I'm all about working on myself and changing things that I need to change. And so I kind of embarked on a journey to completely change how I viewed my body and how I related to it. And it took a really long time. I have successfully reached a point where I'm in a much healthier place with it and much more accepting of it. And I see, I look out in the world and I see how many

women are affected by this.

And I'm deeply concerned by what's happening

now with the trends kind of veering back towards thinness again.

And just like the complete switch up

that the beauty trends have made in that regard.

So that's what got me into coaching. I was like, I need to help women who are struggling with this reclaim their energy.

[Morgan Kman]

And you touch on so many things there and we're gonna get into all of it. But I do wanna draw attention to that fact that you talk about your experience with it. I think you could talk to any woman in the world and she has experienced some form of body image issue or. Or any number of the. The complications that come with that. Right. There's on the more intense spectrum of the eating disorders and things on that, but there's also just the everyday up comparing our bodies to other people. And I really believe that there's not a single woman in the world who has not had this experience, unfortunately. But talk about that experience a little bit more of, like, you. You were feeling that, and you were going through that experience while also watching somebody that you really love go through really just a completely opposite experience where they were frustrated with their body on a different level. And I think that can give an important perspective to this conversation, because a lot of what we have to remember is that a healthy body is so much more valuable than anything else we could ever do.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

Mm, yeah, I totally agree.

I think it's unfortunate that so much

of the messaging that women receive and

that I received was that you need to look a certain way, and if you don't look that way, you're not enough. And you should be determined to do what you can. Buy this weight loss drug, buy this workout plan, buy these, this shapewear. Like, there's countless things that are sold to women to make them look better. We're taught that that should be one of our main goals. And so a lot of us really start believing that. And I think, of course, there are so many downsides to my mom's disability, and I'm so sad that she has to go through that, but it has given me a really special perspective on what really matters in life and what

really matters when it comes to our bodies.

And it's shown me that's not true.

What we're told about our physical appearance mattering so much, it's just not true.

And that belief that it does matter

that much completely disconnects us from ourselves.

[Morgan Kman]

Oh, that's so good to hear. I love that perspective because I. I really don't think, unfortunately, and fortunately, that a lot of people don't get to have that opportunity to see what is important. I talk about this a little bit, that I'm engaged and I'm going through what is the happiest moment of my life. Right. But when I try on wedding dresses, all I could do was think about all the things that were wrong about me. It highlighted all of the things that I didn't like about myself. Instead of highlighting the happiness that I was feeling, the love that I was feeling, the excitement, it Was all about, well, my belly looks too big here. I'm gonna show my very big arms in every picture in this one. Oh, I have back fat in that one. Okay, what am I gonna do about this? Am I gonna cover my whole body? I need to make sure I have a tan. Like, all of those thought processes are going through my head when I'm trying on a single wedding dress. I had an entire breakdown of things that I had experienced over the course of my life. Right. But in this one moment, it was all bundled up to show me how much it was impacting every piece of my life. Have you experienced those moments, too? I imagine at moments in your life where you're like, I shouldn't be focused on this, but I am.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

Absolutely. I love that you brought up that. That example because it really shows how much this affects our lives and affects our experience of moments that. You're right.

They should be moments that we're fully enjoying and present for, and we're completely

taken out of them. The one that comes to mind for me is I have a boyfriend who's

wonderful, and I love him.

And when I met him eight years ago, through that process of falling in love and getting to know each other,

which, again, I think is one of

the most special, special things that we can experience as humans, I was so distracted by wondering if I looked good enough in that time period in my life. And looking back on it, it's kind of sad to me that that experience of falling in love with someone is something that I won't experience again, hopefully. And I was so distracted by it that I was kind of, like, not

fully there for it.

[Morgan Kman]

And it's sad to think about because we can't rewrite it. We can't do anything differently than what we had done. And all you can do is hope to do better. I think that was such a reason why I loved connecting with your content, because there are so many young women online, and I just. My hope, even though I know that that's not the direction that we're sadly heading, but I. My hope is that they see us talking about it. They see us trying to bring attention, to say, hey, don't follow the path that we follow. Do something different and love your body and love who you are and show up in the world so confident in that. And it's funny because I don't think that that content didn't necessarily exist as we were growing up, but I think it was harder to believe in the things that were sold is really hard on our imaging. You Talk about weight loss drugs. Any person can go online right now in any capacity and be online for a max of five minutes and have at least one or two posts that come across their feed talking about weight loss drugs.

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It's everywhere.

[Morgan Kman]

So how do you escape something that's currently around? How do you, as a body image coach, walk people through the experience of constantly be surrounded by things, telling them that you don't look good enough, how you are?

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

Yeah, I mean, that's a great question. It's true. It's everywhere. And with social media, it's like the ability to advertise these things to us is. Is like it never has been before. They have us, they have our attention

at all times right through our phones.

So, yeah, it's a huge issue.

I'm very adamant with my clients about

the fact that this is something that you'll never be able to escape. It's always going to be all around us, if anything. Unfortunately, I feel like it's getting worse in a way with, with technology and with social media and with where that's headed. So I think it's so important to not necessarily try to run away from that or hide from that. I think that's unrealistic in a lot of ways.

Instead, I really encourage my clients to

use moments like that to really fuel their growth. And I teach them something that I

think a lot of women don't see

in themselves, which is that we are capable of responding differently to these sorts of things. We are capable of seeing a commercial

for a weight loss drug and feeling

what that brings up in us and then choosing to respond differently, choosing to react differently, choosing to not buy into what we might have bought into in the past. So I'm really adamant about helping my

clients get to that point where they feel confident in their ability to do that.

And that really comes down to. I mean, sometimes it does. It is necessary that people take a break from social media because it's so pervasive. It's so like we're not even really aware of the impact it's having on us a lot of the time. So sometimes it is necessary to take

a little break from it.

And then we kind of work together to get people to a point where they feel able to question the thoughts and kind of work with them and

see through them in a lot of

ways and see through the messaging as well. I mean, it revolves around taking women's power away from them and telling and convincing them what you look like matters. And this will help you solve that issue of not Looking good enough and then you'll feel amazing. And. And in my opinion, that's a complete lie. So we really work to see through those lies, see through the thought patterns

that have come to be within their

own minds and get them to a point where they can experience having something

like that come up on their phone

when they're scrolling and not go down the spiral that they might have gone

down in the past.

[Morgan Kman]

I think it's a really hard, complex situation. On the other side of that too, I know there's a lot of people in the world right now who are really trying to focus on health and being health conscious. And it's a really complex situation when you're trying to get out of the negative messaging that we're receiving while also saying, okay, well, I want to be healthy and I want to feel good. How do you handle that? Because that dynamic is really dicey.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

That is a great question, and I agree that's a hard one. I personally, coming from a background of health and fitness and being really into it and still being someone who I. I love to take good care of

my body, and I'm very passionate about that as well.

I find that it's such a fine line between not really, I don't want to say not caring, but maybe letting your health slide and not really putting

a lot of intention into how you

take care of your body and then being very intentional about it to the

point where it's unhealthy and it becomes

kind of toxic, which I feel is where I was at with it in the past. So that is a hard one. I think it's more so about. I really like to start not even talking much about health and fitness and start by just focusing on the mind and the patterns and the. The past that each woman has that

has kind of caused her to.

To think the way she does about her body and really work through that

stuff so that we can get to a healthier mindset overall.

And then I bring health and fitness in. But more so from a perspective of what do you enjoy? What did you enjoy doing for activity

when you were a kid, before you even cared what your body looked like?

What would actually bring you joy? There are so many people who, myself included, who do certain forms of exercise or eat in a certain way solely

for the purpose of looking better or changing their body.

And I don't think that that has

to be the reasoning behind it.

I think that you can find a way to go about taking care of your body that comes from a place

of simply wanting to enjoy yourself, wanting to connect with yourself, wanting to feel good.

We all feel better when we're moving our bodies and eating healthier. So if we can find an underlying purpose for that that's not centered around physical appearance, I feel like that's a

much stronger thing to kind of have backing your efforts in those. In that realm.

So that's a big. That's how I address that. And along the way, there's a lot of unlearning what we've been taught about what health means and what a healthy

body looks like and what you should be doing or shouldn't be doing in

the gym or in any other type of setting.

[Morgan Kman]

Well, and it's so difficult, too, because we talk about healthy food, we look at the idea of healthy food, and, gosh, until I think this year, in the last. Literally in the last year, my idea of healthy food was not actually healthy food. I just had this such a difficult relationship with food that I've been a vegetarian since I was 8. So I was what you would call a crapatarian. For 25 years of my life.

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

I ate horrible foods and, you know,

[Morgan Kman]

ever carbs and cheese, and I love them. They're my soul foods.

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

It's what I go back to.

[Morgan Kman]

But I was not eating vegetables.

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

I was not getting protein. I was not doing anything that was good for my body.

[Morgan Kman]

And I look back on that now and like, I fell for so many diet crazes. I fell for the protein tea drinks that were diet crazes. I fell for the drink your greens. I fell for the protein and everything. As long as there's protein in everything, it doesn't matter. I fell for everything because I didn't understand genuinely what a healthy relationship with actual. And when I say healthy foods, I mean whole foods. I mean foods that come from nature

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

and you're supposed to be consuming and

[Morgan Kman]

you can consume so many. And it doesn't matter that those type of foods, I didn't even have a relationship with them because of how distorted my view was of diet and healthy foods. And I think that's also a conversation around a lot of this is the imaging that we're receiving around what actually is healthy. Are you seeing that a lot?

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

Absolutely.

I think it's overwhelming.

I talk to so many people who are like, I can't keep up. One day I think this is healthy, the next day it's not. It leaves people feeling really defeated and

like, they don't have a lot of power or control in their relationship with their body and with food.

I'VE done a lot of different diets as well.

And I've gone through my own journey with food.

And I too am a huge fan of whole foods. But ultimately I'm of them mindset of really just tapping into what feels right

for you and what feels doable for you.

If it's the most overwhelming thing ever

to try to eat whole foods all the time, which for a lot of people it is because that's so foreign to them.

I really like to limit stress. I think stress is worse for us than bad food.

[Morgan Kman]

So, so true.

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

Stress is bad for us. Worse than, I think, like alcohol, sugar and everything else.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

Oh my gosh. I think it's up there with some

of the worst thing.

And this is coming from someone who

has a tendency to stress and get really anxious about things and overthink.

So I'm very adamant about doing what

we can to avoid that.

And of course, factoring in, like, what

does healthy eating look like for you?

What are things you could do to

make it easier for yourself?

I think one issue with the body neutrality, body acceptance movement is that there can be a little bit of too much lenience around things that are bad

for you, in my opinion.

And I don't think that's necessarily good either. But I think that taking care of yourself and eating healthy should always come from a place of love and from a place of wanting to connect with your body and doing what's best for it. And so it's really important to me

to work with my clients to find

what that looks like for them specifically, not what, what all these other sources

are telling them that should look like,

and how we can make that something fairly simple, something that doesn't feel like it's adding on to all the other

things they already have to worry about in life.

[UnitedHealthcare Narrator]

Health insurance should make getting care easier, but sometimes it can feel like the opposite. That's why UnitedHealthcare is committed to putting care at the heart of health insurance with empathy, transparency, and real human connection. I mean, doesn't care feel different when it's personal, when you can tell that the person on the other end of the phone, the screen, and the Service genuinely cares? UnitedHealthcare is working to make that happen every day. They're also helping people make healthcare decisions with confidence, giving them the information that they need to better understand their benefits, costs and claims. Because UnitedHealthcare knows when you understand that stuff, you can better get the care you and your family need. UnitedHealthcare is also working to make care more accessible. They're doing it by helping connect people with more top doctors, clinics, specialists and such right in their own communities. It makes getting care easier and feels way more personal. You know, care can show up in a lot of ways and everyone at UnitedHealthcare is committed to bringing it every day. Learn more about how UnitedHealthcare is committed

[Morgan Kman]

to [e-mail] Care eczema is unpredictable, but

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[Pharmaceutical Ad Details Voice]

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[Kalpen (Cal) Suresh]

hey everyone, it's Cal Penn, host of Irsay, the Audible and Iheart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast I'm sitting Down with Lily Chu, the author of the Audible original romantic comedy Just Kiss Already. It's a story about a forensic anthropologist who secretly writes mystery novels, an actress who adapts his book into a film. And what happens when a meme and a media tour collide with a slow burn romance. It's performed by Simu Liu and Philippa Hsu and it is an absolute blast.

[Lily Chu]

When you actually hear the performance, you realize that other people are taking your words and what you thought was kind of a straightforward sentence. Like, the cat in the corner is black. In my head it's the cat in the corner is black. Not the dog, not the gerbil. But someone else might say it, the cat in the corner is black. That's always fascinating to me how they just bring in all these different nuances and really make it fun in interesting and distinctive.

[Kalpen (Cal) Suresh]

Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Morgan Kman]

Yeah, you talk about that bottom layer of what your clients can have as their reasoning behind why they do it. Maybe this is an example that people could use that would help them. I really had to change my thought process around it, and my latest way of doing that has been like, I just really want to be healthy when I'm older. I want to feel good in my body. I don't want my bones to ache and I want to be able to walk around and hang out with my friends and travel and see the world. And I don't have limitations that I see a lot of people have. I've tried really hard to set my mindset on. I want to live a long, good life and I don't want to be stuck paying the price for things that I did. And that's helped me refrain, reframe a lot of what I've been doing. Because as you heard in the beginning

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

of this, when I went wedding dress

[Morgan Kman]

shopping, I do have so much negative self talk that happens that I've really had to, like when I go to the gym or I go on walks or I do the things that are fun to me, I'm like, okay, we're doing this for old Morgan.

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

Old Morgan's gonna appreciate me one day.

[Morgan Kman]

And that's my mindset that I keep trying to to train myself to go into. And maybe that's one that will help other people too.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

Yeah, I love that. I think everyone has different things that work for them.

For some people that wouldn't work. For others, it would.

And that's why so much of what

I do is about really finding what works for the individual person. But I agree we need to find

what that is for us. And I think in the Process.

We need to be kind with ourselves

because when it comes to fitness and eating healthy, we're so hard on ourselves. We can make them very intense and be really mean to ourselves when we

feel like we're falling short.

So I always want to bring that

kindness into the process as well.

[Morgan Kman]

When you're working with clients, how are you walking them through that kind of kindness, that less negative self talk? How are you getting them on a path that they can start to recorrect that? Because that's a lot of, gosh, young versions of ourselves that we're trying to kind of get out of us. And. And it's huge habits that I've built up over years, sometimes decades.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

Yeah.

Oh, my gosh.

It's intense work. It's not. These aren't easy things to change, for sure. It's a lot of.

I honestly think everyone can benefit from

speaking about how they view themselves and how they talk to themselves in a safe setting with someone who is truly there to just listen and reflect back

to them what they're hearing. Because so many times my clients will say something about themselves and I reflect it back to them, and they're like, wow, I didn't even look at it like that. I didn't even really pay attention to

the fact that I'm saying these sorts

of things to myself.

So that helps in and of itself. I also really like to, like you

said, a lot of these patterns stem all the way back to when we were children.

And I like to kind of encourage

my clients to first of all figure

out with me where some of these

ideas came from and who taught them when they were children.

Because it doesn't come from us. It's taught to us from outside forces. And then there's a lot of, I feel, understanding that comes with that because

they're seeing this child version of themselves

and they're seeing, wow, she was just

living her life in the world and she was taught these messages, and she started to really believe those.

And for whatever reason, when they think of themselves in that place when they

were a child, they're so much more

able to have understanding and love and

acceptance for that version of themselves. But when it comes to their present adult self, they're not able to show up in that same way.

So a lot of it is just

talking through that and talking through why that is the case.

And I'm also a really big fan of intentionally saying certain things day after day. So when it comes to the body,

I feel like when our mind has been programmed to think about it so negatively.

I love to encourage my clients to kind of flip the script, whether it resonates or not.

A lot of the times it doesn't,

but I still think it's so important to every day reflect on one thing

that your body does for you or one thing that you're grateful for. One positive thing. Because our minds get so wired to think negatively of ourselves, and that's something that we have been programmed to do for so long, and we're still programmed to do every day, and I think we have to counteract that.

I'm very big on intentionally counteracting that with how Even if it's just writing

one thing in a notebook every night before bed, that's positive.

Mm.

[Morgan Kman]

Yeah, we need that. More of that in general. But, gosh, to do it with our bodies in, like you say, flip the script, I think is so necessary and in helping kind of rewrite. It's like rewiring your brain to think just a little bit differently. I don't know if you ever do this, but I. I have these photo albums on Facebook where I posted so much when I was a kid. I love taking pictures with a digital camera. And I look at those pictures, and you talk about the younger self, and I was so hard on her. I look at those pictures, I look at her in swimsuits, and I see her in her cheerleading outfits, and I'm like, I used to think that I was so fat. I literally did. That's what I thought. Like, I was huge. There were so many things I wanted to fix about myself. And then look at those pictures now. And I was so small. I was so little. I was just this little girl who didn't know anything. And if I could just take her and wrap her in a blanket and

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

remind her of what's important.

[Morgan Kman]

It's crazy, those feelings. And I wonder if all of us look back on our old photos, which I know can be hard for some people, too, because it's such a negative time for a lot of people. But to look back on photos and remember the things that we used to say about ourselves and how we did, and that perspective is also a crazy game changer.

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

Do you ever do that with your old photos where you're just really hard and you're like, what was I even thinking?

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

Absolutely. I think I.

There was a trend recently that was

like, someone was talking about the first time that they saw a photo of

themselves and thought something negative about their body, and I have a clear memory

of it, and I pulled up the picture, too. And I was. It's just sad. It's sad to think back on that. But I agree that it can also be healing.

I think a lot of healing happens when we're willing to face the really hard experiences and hard thoughts.

And I love what you said about

how you wish you could go back and wrap her in a blanket.

I mean, I've thought that many times

about many things, wishing that I could go back and just comfort myself.

But I honestly believe that we can

still do that today.

I'm a firm believer that we all have this inner child. That part of us that felt that way is still within us and still

plays a role in how we view

and act towards our bodies today. So I'm a huge advocate for when we're having a really hard day and our body image is horrible, treating ourselves

how we would want to treat that younger, childlike version of ourselves.

And maybe that is wrapping yourself up in a blanket and watching your favorite movie and anything that is comforting to you.

I think it's so important that we treat our current selves the way that we would our child version of ourselves.

[Morgan Kman]

Yeah. And when the child version of us comes out, I like to think that that's our soul moment. We need to connect back to our soul because it's like something that's happening that our body's screaming at us that it needs us, it needs to be supported. And the soul is actually what needs to be supported. Not our body in that moment. Not with whatever's happening in outside world, but the inside of us, the literal internal moments are screaming for us to pay attention. And it's scary, honestly, to feel those sometimes. And I think that's why it's so difficult. Because just as there is with anything when. When we start to think about change and we start to think about all that's going to have to happen to make that change necessary. Is really overwhelming to think, okay, well, every day I'm gonna have to wake up and. And say nice things about myself and. And I have to understand that love who I am and I. That becomes very overwhelming. And the process of it becomes overwhelming. So much so that I think it goes back to what you were saying about stress. We end up looking at it and say, okay, well, no, that's too stressful. I'm not going to do it. But then the latter option is to just keep living with it for the

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

rest of your life.

Absolutely. I think that's why this work is so important, and I think it's why it's so helpful to have someone kind

of hold your hand through it and through those hard moments, because it can be lonely.

I mean, personally, I changed my relationship with my body alone. And I. I mean, there's good and bad that came with that, but ultimately it took a very long time, and

it was a very lonely experience.

So I love that I can be

that person for my clients who's there

with them in those hard moments so

they don't feel so alone when I

[Morgan Kman]

want to talk about the relationships around us, because I also think that that's a huge factor because we hear that we are who we surround ourselves with, and that's. That's obviously true. But even more so when it comes to thinking about ourselves, I think there's a lot of people that have relationships in their life that are adding to their issues with how they see themselves, and I think that's a very key part to healing. So walk me through that kind of experience, because I'm. I'm imagining you've had a lot of experience in that.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

Absolutely. I think, because a lot of times

the negative things that we hear about

bodies comes from people that we love

and comes from people that we care

about, and we value their opinion on us. And so when they say certain things, I mean, I've had so many clients and in my own personal life, where

we have received comments from our moms, which is really hard, because your mom

is someone you look up to.

Your mom is someone that, in a

lot of ways, your relationship with your

body is determined by her relationship with her body.

And it's not to put moms down. I think everyone does the best they can. But a lot of times this stuff is so ingrained in people that they end up pushing those beliefs onto others. And a lot of times there is this cycle of women learn this and then they teach it to their daughters. And they're not even necessarily meaning to, but they just make comments because they've heard comments like that, and they believe things and they maybe think they're protecting

their daughters, whatever the reasoning is.

And that's a really hard experience. That's something that I've experienced in my own life.

That's something a lot of my clients come to me about.

And it is challenging. And it's one of those things where we can't control other people. We can't control what other people say to us.

We can't control how willing they have been to do this work or to really look at themselves and their own relationship with their body.

All we can control is how much

we Take what they say to heart, and it's so much easier said than done.

I think a lot of it is having someone that's a safe space that

you can talk to about it and

be like, my mom said this, or my friend said this, and it affected

me in this way, and it was really hurtful.

We just need to talk about it and let it out in order to kind of clear that energy.

I'm a firm believer that everything is energy. And a lot of times energy needs to be cleared out. So sometimes it's just a matter of talking about it. Sometimes it's a matter of calming the nervous system.

I'm really big on. Like, there's this notion that all we have to do is just change our thoughts, think more positively, be stronger, be

able to show up in life differently. And I think that's expecting too much of the mind.

I think the mind is programmed to think in certain ways and to be

really reactive and emotional.

So I'm a big believer and teacher

of calming the nervous system in moments, too.

And sometimes when someone close to you

makes a comment about your body or

about their body, and they're not really able to see the impact of that, you have to go to your own

space and calm your nervous system. You have to, like, tap on your body or do some deep breathing or

jump up and down and shake or dance.

You have to do something with that energy that they have just. Just unwillingly, maybe pushed onto you.

So, yeah, I'm a big. Again, it comes back to kind of

working with the moment and using the moment to kind of show up and react differently.

And I also think that in doing this work, ourselves in changing our relationship with our own bodies, we inspire the

people around us to do the same. And maybe the same people that once were a contributor to those comments and

to that way of looking at ourselves will become inspired by what they see

us doing and how they see us talking and showing up.

It can come around like that, but ultimately it comes back to we can

only control what we can control and

what other people say and what other

people think is not in our control.

[Morgan Kman]

Yeah, gosh, those relationships with our family members is a really tough one, because it's your people that you're surrounded with, you're born into, and you don't really have a choice. You're just kind of succumbed to it for at least 18 years, if not more, and you don't realize it until later. And it's passed down generation to generation. I don't think our moms or our Grandmas or their, you know, our great grandmas wanted that to be what they thought, but it. It was what got passed down to them and it's what they continued on. And being a generational breaker of that habit is also a responsibility, but it's a hard one. And it's more than just that with you. You're just breaking so many decades of that experience. I read something the other day talking about a study of how there were enough people, even just with their partners, who would say something negative about themselves. And over time, six months, a year, whatever, they would start to then see themselves that way if they never did before, because they're around it so much that they start to think the same way that you're thinking. And that also, like on the other side of relationships, made me realize the role and my responsibility that I have. I'm not only creating this environment and hardship for myself, but I'm also creating it for other people who are around me. And I hated that. I hated the way that that made me feel. Honestly, it made me sad to think, and which is so funny because of course, of course I'm sad to think about how it would make other people

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

feel and not how I'm making myself feel every day.

[Morgan Kman]

But it's a funny realization that maybe putting it on other people made me finally be like, oh, I shouldn't be saying those things about myself.

[UnitedHealthcare Narrator]

And that's.

[Morgan Kman]

It's so unfortunate that it takes us realizing the impact we're having on other people to say, oh, we shouldn't be having that same impact on ourselves.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

Yeah, no, it's sad how easily it comes to us to show up in

our relationship with ourselves in a certain way.

There's so many things we say to

ourselves that we would never say to someone else. And it's unfortunate.

I really like to remind people of

how much power they truly have, though.

And when it comes to Thoughts are

one thing, thoughts are very hard to control. And that's a whole. That's a complex thing to address.

But when it comes to what we say out, there's more of an opportunity

to stop ourselves in our tracks. When we have a thought and we

think to ourselves, I'm going to say

this out loud about my body.

I'm going to say this negative thing about my body.

We have the opportunity to not.

And I really like to remind people of that. I know it's hard. I know that when you are in a pattern of saying, of talking negatively

about yourself and maybe you're around people who do, and it feels normal to you.

It's not an easy thing to consider,

just not doing that.

But we are all capable of that. And I really like to remind people of that. Because at least if you make a

commitment to yourself to not speak out loud, these negative thoughts that you have about your body and about yourself, you're taking a step towards completely changing your relationship with yourself overall.

And I truly believe it's all about

small steps that take you in that direction over time.

[UnitedHealthcare Narrator]

Health insurance should make getting care easier, but sometimes it can feel like the opposite. That's why UnitedHealthcare is committed to putting care at the heart of health insurance with empathy, transparency and real human connection. I mean, doesn't care feel different when it's personal? When you can tell that the person on the other end of the phone, the screen and the Service genuinely cares? UnitedHealthcare is working to make that happen every day. They're also helping people make health care decisions with confidence, giving them the information that they need to better understand their benefits, costs and claims. Because UnitedHealthcare knows when you understand that stuff, you can better get the care you and your family need. UnitedHealthcare is also working to make care more accessible. They're doing it by helping connect people with more top doctors, clinics, specialists and such right in their own communities. It makes getting care easier and feels way more personal. You know, care can show up in a lot of ways and everyone at UnitedHealthcare is committed to bringing it every day. Learn more about how UnitedHealthcare is committed

[Morgan Kman]

to [e-mail] Care eczema is unpredictable, but

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[Pharmaceutical Ad Details Voice]

MGLIS Lebricizumab LBKZ, a 250mg injection, is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children 12 years of age and older who weigh at least 88 pounds or 40 kilograms with moderate to severe eczema, also called atopic dermatitis, that is not well controlled with prescription therapies used on the skin or topicals, or who cannot use topical therapies. EPGLIS can be used with or without topical corticosteroids. Don't use if you're allergic to epglis. Allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. Eye problems can occur. Tell your doctor if you have new or worsening eye problems. You should not receive a live vaccine when treated with Ebglis. Before starting Ebglis, tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection.

[Pharmaceutical Ad Voice]

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[Kalpen (Cal) Suresh]

hey everyone, it's Cal Penn, host of Irsay, The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast I'm sitting down with Lily Chu, the author of the Audible original romantic comedy Just Kiss Already. It's a story about a forensic anthropologist who secretly writes mystery novels, an actress who adapts his book into a film, and what happens when a meme and a media tour collide with a slow burn romance. It's performed by Simu Liu and Philippa Su, and it is an absolute, absolute blast.

[Lily Chu]

When you actually hear the performance, you realize that other people are taking your words and what you thought was kind of a straightforward sentence like the cat in the corner is black. In my head it's the cat in the corner is black. Not the dog, not the gerbil. But someone else might say it, the cat in the corner is black. That's always fascinating to me how they just bring in all these different nuances and really, really make it fun and interesting and distinctive.

[Kalpen (Cal) Suresh]

Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Morgan Kman]

And talking about a small step that we have to take because obviously we're in a data with social media. Everybody's on it. There's, there's things with that. But you talking about that just reminded me obviously we all have to wear clothes and putting on clothes and having

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

that whole experience is an experience in itself.

[Morgan Kman]

And going to doctor's office and being weighed and and those everyday experiences of trying on clothes in a dressing room, of going to a doctor's office and getting weighed or being around somebody where you're having to get measurements and it's deciding what your body looks like. Like, walk me through how we should handle those as we're trying to heal and talk to ourself better and do the better step. Those are everyday moments that are personal that we have to experience to just exist in life.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

They absolutely are. That is the thing. This is something that's triggered in so

many different moments throughout our lives and

throughout our day that it makes it really hard to.

To overcome these tendencies.

I, again, I'm all about starting to see these moments as opportunities versus horrible

experiences, which of course, they are really

hard and they are really challenging, and

there's so much that comes with them.

But I am all about the fact that in life the only way to

grow is through discomfort.

And so I really like to encourage

a different way of viewing those moments and seeing them as opportunities and again,

applying that same approach of taking baby steps.

The first thing I encourage people to

do is just to bring more awareness

into those moments in general. Because so many of these things, we're so used to feeling a certain type of way. We're so used to responding a certain type of way.

We're so used to experiencing something like that, like trying on an outfit or

getting weight at the doctor's office and

then feeling horrible for the rest of

the day or the rest of the week and just kind of sitting in

that and not really acknowledging what's happening.

And so I think bringing awareness into it is such an important first step just to kind of start to shift things into a position of reclaiming your power in those moments and in your life in general.

And that can really just look like naming what's happening. Like, if you are at, let's say

you're shopping for clothes and you're in the changing room trying some on, that can be a really triggering experience for women.

And you notice yourself looking at your body and overanalyzing and having all these

negative thoughts come up.

You name what's happening, and you say to yourself, I'm having a negative body

image experience right now.

And I am thinking all these things

that I've been taught to think about

myself, and that's what's happening. And that alone is bringing a little

more awareness into the moment.

And through doing that more and more over time and really almost coming back

to the present more in those moments and not kind of letting yourself get carried away into the thoughts and. And go with what they're telling you, then you start to have more of an ability to bring in more tools, grounding yourself in the present moment. I'm super passionate about people doing that. And that can be kind of through tapping into your senses. You know, what do you hear, what do you smell, what do you see?

Really bringing yourself back into the present

out of your mind.

Because your mind is where this storm is brewing. And it's so important to kind of

get some relief from that, even if it's for a short lived period of time.

And after that, you have more of

an ability to really come back into your body.

I'm so into tapping or massaging or kind of like going against what your

thoughts are telling you.

Right.

Because your thoughts are telling you that you're the worst and you look horrible and no one's gonna like you and

they can spiral so easily. I'm sure we all know what that's like. And so responding specifically when we have

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

to Clyde on swimsuits, that. That's the first thing that comes to my mind. I think every woman has hated that experience at least once in her life.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

Oh my gosh, swimsuits are, are a big one.

And again, you have to work with yourself. You can't, you can't go, okay, today trying on a swimsuit is the hardest

thing I could ever do, but tomorrow

I'm gonna make it be easy. I'm gonna go in there and love the experience like that.

You have to work with where you're at.

And so that's why I love the

idea of taking baby steps.

But I accompanied with that.

I'm very adamant about reminding women that you are capable of changing these patterns.

And you have to believe that, that

you have to believe in yourself and your ability to change these things.

And so through bringing more awareness into it, through responding by gently caressing yourself

or being kind to your body in the midst of those thoughts, you open the door towards you being able to start to question those thoughts and get to a point where you can start

to be like, okay, I'm trying this on and I'm having these thoughts, but

I don't have to actually believe them.

I don't have to actually listen to them. I don't have to decide that I'm

not worthy of wearing a bikini.

And the step after that is getting to a point where you're like, I'm still gonna buy this. I'm still gonna buy this and wear it because I want to. And I haven't worn a bikini for so long, and I want that to

be a part of my experience and

I'm gonna push Past whatever my mind

is telling me I can't do or I'm not capable of.

But that's like the ultimate. Like, I. I don't want women to

go into this work with the idea that they will be able to get there in a second, because that's.

[UnitedHealthcare Narrator]

It's.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

It takes time to get to that point, and you have to consistently practice these things to get to that point where you can do that.

Yeah.

[Morgan Kman]

And showing up for yourself and making that choice every day, that's so important. Yeah, man. I feel for all the people out there who are listening to this, and

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

they're like, yes, yes, I relate. I want to get there. I want to do all these things.

[Morgan Kman]

And I do want to talk about that. We mentioned it a little bit. The obsession currently with being very skinny, being so skinny that it's almost not okay in the way that it's not. I even have struggles with saying healthy and unhealthy. I don't know if you've noticed that

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

over the course of this interview.

[Morgan Kman]

It feels weird even to say healthy versus not healthy. But there is a moment when you are so skinny that you need to be taking care of yourself. And we're seeing a lot of images of that online, especially coming from our favorite actors and our favorite musicians and artists, and that is the world that we're currently in. Give me your thoughts on that. The obsession with weight loss, drugs, the obsession with being skinny, and the idea that I think there was a huge photo floating around, I think it was of Demi Moore, and it was like, she's so toned and muscular.

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

And I was like, that is not the tone and muscular that I'm aware of.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

It's concerning.

It's deeply concerning.

I'm having so many conversations with women who have struggled with eating disorders in the past or who have really struggled

with their weight and wanting to be skinnier. And seeing this in the media is so triggering for them, and I. I really feel for them. I'm fortunate in the sense that I

haven't personally struggled with an eating disorder,

but I can imagine how triggering this

time period would be for someone like that.

So, yeah, it's concerning. And it is one of those things

where everyone has such a different notion

of women's bodies and what they should look like. And, I mean, even the range of comments that I get on my posts is insane. It really shows me how varied people's opinions are on women's bodies and how much people feel like they are. They deserve to comment on women's bodies, but it Is. It's. It is challenging, though, because like you said, we don't want to comment on women's bodies.

We don't want to add to the problem. Yet at the same time, when we

see women becoming so thin and. And it's true, there is a certain

level of thinness that is not healthy.

Women need a certain amount of fat

on their bodies to be healthy and

to have a menstrual cycle. And so when we're seeing these sorts of things happen in the media, it

is concerning, and it does need to be talked about.

And I think it's challenging to navigate how you talk about that so that

you are helping the people who are being negatively affected by this, but you're not adding to the problem that we already have.

[Morgan Kman]

Gosh, yeah.

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

You're trying to find such a balance

[Morgan Kman]

in a world where, honestly, there's just not a lot of balance right now. It's like black or white. There's no in between. And that is the part that's really hard. But I want to bring it back to something you said at the very, very beginning of all of this, was that you are more interesting than what you look like. You are more than everything that you look like. And we have become so accustomed, because everybody is chronically online, myself included, that we feel comfortable to comment on people and who they are and what they look like. And I personally could never make a comment on somebody's body, knowing how much I personally struggle with my own thoughts

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

and everything that I don't need to

[Morgan Kman]

add to anybody else's. But you go to any comment section of anybody posting a picture of themselves, and people have a whole lot to say about it. And I think that's also the. The other hard thing, because you have a whole bunch of people out there who feel comfortable to be posting themselves online, and a whole bunch of people who don't feel comfortable. And it's like they're all clashing at the same. And we're seeing that in. In real time in so many different ways.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

Yeah, absolutely. It is challenging.

And everyone's so different, and everyone navigates it differently.

I have really gotten to a point

where I'm able to take what people say with a grain of salt.

I truly believe that anyone's opinion on someone else, specifically when it comes to a woman's body, is the result of

what they have been taught throughout the course of their lifetime, what they've been exposed to, what they've heard people say, the type of media they watch.

And so I don't take it very

personally because I see through it in that sense.

But it is hard to get to that point.

And we're all human.

We are all impacted by what people

say about us to a certain degree.

And so it's challenging to live in a world where never before people have opinions on you and they can share

those opinions with you.

And there's this disconnect because it's happening through a screen.

[Morgan Kman]

Well, I feel like right now what

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

we all need is.

[Morgan Kman]

Yes. Mean in our heads, just constantly, all the time reminding us, hey, this is

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

the thought process we're trying to walk down.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

I'll work on figuring out how I

can get broadcasted into everyone's mind.

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

Right. Maybe that's where AI can be used for good is like you're in our head all the time being like, hey, you're beautiful. You look awesome.

[Morgan Kman]

This is great.

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

You're doing good things. I know I can use that like

[Morgan Kman]

a little Polly Pocket in my life.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

I love that.

That's definitely what I'm trying to do with my content.

And I. I think it's great that although we're seeing this concerning trend happen with women's bodies in the media, there are so many women out there who

are also making the opposite type of content and spreading this message to help women accept themselves more.

And I, I definitely see so much

more of that now than I did 10 years ago when I was first

getting on social media. So that gives me hope. That gives me hope that at least there's some balance there that maybe wasn't

there as much in the past.

[Morgan Kman]

Absolutely. Which is how I found you in the first place. And why I loved your content was why I wanted to bring you on. So I end the podcast with. It can be a piece of motivation, inspiration. It could be something that we haven't touched on that you feel really heavy on your heart to share. Let you end us on something that. That really matters to you or a message you definitely want to make sure people get across by the end of this episode.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

I'm really passionate about doing what you can to be present as much as you can. I think that life is something that flashes by. I mean, I'm still fairly young, but I've already experienced that in my own life.

And everyone I talk to who is older says the same thing. They feel like life just flies by.

They don't know where all the time goes. And I am a firm believer that being alive is one of the most

precious gifts there is.

It's such a blessing to be alive,

to be in a body to get

to experience the good and the bad. And so whatever we can do to

be present for that, we should do it.

I truly believe it does come back to the mind. I have struggled so much in my life with anxiety, with overthinking, with my mind getting in the way of me

just enjoying my life.

And I think that our thoughts are our greatest enemy in so many ways. And so if you can find one thing that you can do daily that

that takes you out of your mind, even if it's just for five minutes,

I think that that is one of

the keys to life.

And for me, it's being in nature. I love being in nature.

I feel the most at peace when I'm just like walking among, amongst the trees. But it's different for everyone and sometimes

you have to explore things to find

what that is for you.

But I think it's so important and I think it helps with your relationship

with your body as well.

[Morgan Kman]

Yes. Thoughts being our biggest enemy.

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

Absolutely yes.

[Morgan Kman]

And yes, also to nature. I feel the smallest when I'm in nature and something about that makes me feel like every problem that I have, that the negative thoughts that I have are really so insignificant compared to everything else. So I totally understand that that feeling. But yes. Mean, thank you so much for joining and being here today and talking about all this and sharing your story and, and knowledge. I. I really believe everything that you're doing is so important. So please keep doing it.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

Thank you.

Thank you so much for reaching out and having me. And I love this platform that you have and what you're doing with it.

[Morgan Kman]

Oh, thank you. Well, it's great to meet you virtually and I'm. I'm going to be patiently waiting until you create the AI Polly Pocket version of yourself so I can have you along the ride with me.

[Yasmeen (Body Image Coach)]

So until then, you'll be the first to know.

You'll be the first to know when I figure it out.

[Morgan Kman]

Deal. Thank you so much. I really do believe if we got

[Morgan Kman (Outro)]

Polly Pockets of the best versions of

[Morgan Kman]

ourselves, we would all be doing so great right now. So if somebody could get on that

[Morgan Kman (Outro)]

little business side project, I personally don't

[Morgan Kman]

have time, but it would be awesome

[Morgan Kman (Listener/Guest)]

if we could have those.

[Morgan Kman]

I'm so happy that you're here.

[Morgan Kman (Outro)]

I hope you loved this week's episode. And honestly, all the episodes, make sure you're subscribed on YouTube. If you want to watch these at Web Girl Morgan, you can now watch some of them on iheartradio if you want to listen for free.

[Morgan Kman]

Over there.

[Morgan Kman (Outro)]

Or you can also just watch clips on social media at Take this personally. All the things, all the content. If you want any of it, or if you want none of it, that's okay too. And you just like to play this

[Morgan Kman]

podcast while you're on a walk or

[Morgan Kman (Outro)]

on a drive to soothe you and help understand you. That is the whole purpose. So thank you for being here. I love you guys. Bye.

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