TUES PT 2: Bobby And Eddie Q+A: What 's Annoying About The Music Industry? + Fall Out From Morgan Evans Interview + Bobby Denied Dream Job

Summary

The Bobby Bones Show – March 17, 2026 Episode: Bobby & Eddie Q&A: What’s Annoying About the Music Industry? + Fallout from Morgan Evans Interview + Bobby Denied Dream Job

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Episode Overview

Bobby Bones and co-host Eddie (with Mike contributing) sit down for an impromptu Q&A session during a stormy day, tackling listener questions about the inner workings, frustrations, and myths of the music and radio industries. The episode highlights behind-the-scenes drama, the rapid pace of change in music, lawsuits and interview fallout, missed career opportunities, and dispels some big myths about country music stars and their lifestyles. The conversation is open, self-deprecating, and peppered with candid stories, inside jokes, and honest reflections.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Annoyances Within the Music Industry

[03:06–08:57]

• Overused Clichés:
  Bobby calls out country music’s obsession with whiskey references, describing it as a “cliché at this point.”

  “What annoys you about the music industry right now? ... First of all, it's the amount that whiskey is used in every song.” – Bobby (03:31)

• Speed of Song Releases:
  Mike (Eddie) laments how quickly songs are released and forgotten, missing the long-lasting hits of the past.

  “They spit songs so quickly at us, and then they're just gone. I miss the chance to have a song be huge, and you just sing it for the rest of your life.” – Mike (04:11)

• Changing Consumption:
  Bobby explains how digital music has fragmented both production and audience attention, making it harder for a song to become a universal hit.
• Personal Industry Frustration:
  Bobby describes finding out via Instagram—not his own company—that the show was dropped from Chicago radio.

  “I saw it on an Instagram post...the Bobby Bones show off in Chicago, new company. And I was like, wait, this is how I find out. My company didn't even tell me.” – Bobby (07:09)

2. Dealing with Lawsuits and Sensitive Interviews

[09:00–15:45]

• Near-Lawsuit Experience:
  Bobby recounts a recent incident where an artist considered suing him and the show over a podcast appearance. Bobby insists he’s protected by being careful with content and quick to remove sensitive parts if requested.

  “This artist that I did a full episode with called me and said, I think I'm going to get sued.” – Bobby (09:50)

• Dealing with Threats:
  On a similar note, he shares a story about country star Kane Brown, detailing how a potentially litigious situation led them to bleep out a name to avoid legal headaches.

  “Cain was talking about somebody he worked with that basically stole... I would say Cain felt like a deal was unfairly manipulated and he lost about 10 million bucks to this person.” – Bobby (11:55)

• Philosophy on Lawsuits:
  Bobby expresses he’s not afraid of suits if he’s in the right but prefers to defuse issues instead of inviting drama. Eddie adds his own (mistaken identity) lawsuit story for comic relief.

3. Fallout from the Morgan Evans Interview

[16:11–22:10]

• Miscommunication:
  Bobby explains there was confusion between him and Morgan Evans about whether the divorce topic would be discussed; each party got different instructions from representatives.

  “I would have never gone to the divorce in the interview had it not been sent to me, 'Hey, he wants to do this.' ... I could feel like he didn't really want me to.” – Bobby (17:22)

• Aftermath and Media Blowup:
  The interview, intended as a one-time discussion, became a bigger media story than either intended, leading to Bobby feeling guilty about putting a friend through the wringer again.

  “I had a bit of guilt, and I messaged him, and I was like, dude, I'm sorry. He's like, dude, all good.” – Bobby (19:41)

• Friendships and Loyalty:
  Bobby clarifies his personal connection to both Morgan and Kelsey Ballerini and admits to being “openly biased” in the interview.

4. Dream Jobs That Didn’t Happen

[25:46–32:43]

• Near Misses:
  Bobby candidly shares about getting close—but ultimately losing—major TV hosting gigs, including No Whammy and Dancing with the Stars.

  “I thought I was getting that, and I didn't get it. And there's a lot of things I just haven't got. But these are what—like, they walk me to the end.” – Bobby (27:54)

• The Most Painful “Almost”:
  His biggest career disappointment was getting (and then losing) the chance to host a major country awards show due to politics.

  “The one that hurts the most... My goal has always been to host one of the two award shows, ACMs or CMAs... About three or four days before the announcement...they switched it and somebody else did that. That one sucked.” – Bobby (29:02, 31:17)

• Perspective:
  Bobby never counts a job as his until it’s official, having learned that almost no one gets every gig they’re up for.

5. Industry Respect vs. Public Perception

[33:02–36:12]

• Charlie Worsham:
  Hugely respected in Nashville for his musicianship and character, but much less known to the general public.

  “Charlie Worsham...has everything about him that is a star. ...I don't think [the public] grasps how consequential he is to this town and just country music in general.” – Bobby (33:23)

• Dierks Bentley:
  Mike/Eddie points out that while Dierks is successful and liked, he’s “not at the level he should be,” specifically never having won Entertainer of the Year or a Grammy despite massive respect and stats.

  “I feel like Dierks Bentley should be a superstar. Like, everyone should know who Dierks Bentley is. ...He hasn't won Entertainer of the Year.” – Mike (34:12)

6. Keys to Success in Show Business

[36:12–39:30]

• Persistence:
  Bobby believes the core difference between those who succeed and those who don’t is simply not quitting.

  “The only difference, the one difference that I see between successful people and people who aren't successful are that the successful people don't quit.” – Bobby (37:14)

• Irrational Confidence:
  In addition to persistence, you “have to be irrational about your abilities” and not take no for an answer.
• Rejection is the Norm:
  Bobby stresses that most people in entertainment face rejection far more than yeses; it’s endurance that matters.
• Mike’s Take:
  Offers a practical, if tongue-in-cheek, answer: “They have more money.” – Mike (36:20)

7. Myths About the Country Music Industry

[39:36–42:43]

• Artists’ Party Image:
  Mike/Eddie notes the biggest fan misconception: country stars aren’t partying as hard as everyone thinks. The reality is, sustained partying is incompatible with grueling tour schedules and professional performance.

  “Fans think that their artists party harder than they really party... If they did that all the time, they wouldn't be able to perform.” – Mike (39:45)

• Backstage Glamour – Debunked:
  The biggest myth is that backstage is “cool.” In reality, it’s boring: bad sound, utilitarian spaces, and nothing like the hype.

  “Backstage sucks...Everyone’s like, I want to get backstage. No, it sucks.” – Bobby (40:59)

• Where the Action Really Is:
  Bobby reveals that the “fun” and any social happenings are more likely to take place on artists’ buses, their ‘home on the road,’ not backstage.

  “Anything that's like, home...that's happening on the bus.” – Bobby (41:58)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I'm not a journalist, barely integrity.” – Bobby Bones, about his role in the Morgan Evans interview (16:38)
• “The only difference...between successful people and people who aren’t is that the successful people don’t quit.” – Bobby Bones (37:14)
• “Backstage sucks...Passes hanging out backstage, and you know what? The sound sucks back there.” – Bobby Bones & Mike (41:01–41:07)
• “I think you don't get your big break unless you continue through a lot of no's and a lot of hardship.” – Bobby Bones (38:28)
• “Charlie Worsham...has everything about him that is a star… the public, I don't think, grasps how consequential he is to this town and just country music in general.” – Bobby Bones (33:23)
• “We're just interpreting the question differently. But I'm glad that you answered like that, because other people probably heard it asked in the same way.” – Bobby Bones, about what defines success (37:00)
• “I was like, did they misspell Bobby Bones?” – Bobby, on losing out to Tyra Banks for Dance with the Stars host (27:50)

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Timed Highlights

| Timestamp | Segment/Discussion | |------------|----------------------------------------------------------| | 03:06–08:57 | Annoyances about the music and radio industry | | 09:00–15:45 | Lawsuits and fallout from controversial interviews | | 16:11–22:10 | Fallout from the Morgan Evans interview | | 25:46–32:43 | Jobs and opportunities that almost happened | | 33:02–36:12 | Artists respected by insiders but overlooked by public | | 36:12–39:30 | The secret to success in showbiz | | 39:36–42:43 | Myths about partying and backstage life in country music|

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Tone and Style

Bobby is self-deprecating, candid, and honest, not shying away from sharing disappointment or awkwardness. Eddie and Mike bring humor and supportive banter, keeping the conversation accessible and rooted. The trio offers reality checks that demystify the glamour of entertainment, making the episode relatable to anyone inside or outside the industry.

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Summary Prepared for Listeners Who Missed the Episode

You’ll come away with honest answers, funny behind-the-scenes tales, and a clearer picture of how unpredictable and unglamorous the entertainment business can actually be—direct from Bobby and crew themselves.

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Hey, everybody.

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So I was gonna answer some more questions from you guys, and Eddie would just happen to be here. It's actually storming outside. So I was like, eddie, you don't

[Mike]

have to leave, because I'd get wet if I walked outside. And I appreciate you looking out and that's right.

[Bobby Bones]

So we'll just kind of walk through some of this together. Also, you can answer these questions, too.

[Mike]

These are like Q and A's for you.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, yeah, I got on Instagram and I said, hey, ask questions. And I screenshot all my favorite ones, and so then I just read them here. I don't write them back on Instagram, which is kind of a douchebag move. I should write them back on Instagram, but I save them for this. Okay, number one, because I have a long answer for this, but what annoys you about the music industry right now? Wow. Do you have anything? Cause I can go. I have two big ones.

[Mike]

Go ahead.

[Bobby Bones]

First of all, it's the amount that whiskey is used in every song. Oh, it's just like, a cliche at this point. Do you put whiskey? It's like, what do we want to do with a song? I don't know. It's something about whiskey. It's just such a cliche at this

[Mike]

point in country music.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike]

Because other genres, they're not really doing a lot of whiskey, are they?

[Bobby Bones]

I don't know. I don't really listen to any other genres. I'm just dialed in over here. To me, that's one where it feels like it's kind of a throwaway or you're chasing what's so down the middle because, you know, it's just universally accepted in country music. So that would be one. Another one that I have is pretty. Is more personal. But do you have an answer to that?

[Mike]

I do, I do. I don't like that they spit songs so quickly at us, and then they're just gone. Like, I kind of miss, like, the chance to have a song be huge, and you just sing it for the rest of your life, like, for me, you know. Jump by Van Halen. Oh, boy, here we go.

[Bobby Bones]

Papaw's angry, you know what I'm saying?

[Mike]

Like, man, I don't think the kids are gonna have that. Like, oh, you remember that song? Because they listen to so many and then they're just gone. And then they just give you new ones.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't want to be that guy, but are you going to make me be that guy?

[Mike]

Be that guy.

[Bobby Bones]

So the difference in Jump from van Halen or Mr. Jones from counting Crow the classics is that all of that was hard. Meaning they had to print things and ship things and put them on shelves and you could only fit 12 on or 14 on a CD or a tape or a vinyl. Now with the ability to put out music digitally, there's no limit on it.

[Mike]

Yeah, they can spit it out real quick.

[Bobby Bones]

And it doesn't mean songs don't go away, they don't expire. It's not like Inspector Gadget where the Message explodes after 20 listens.

[Mike]

I know, but are we gonna have another Can't Stop Believing?

[Bobby Bones]

We're gonna have massive songs, but everything is fractured now, so. No, we won't, because we're not gonna have another mash either.

[Mike]

TV show. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

That everybody watched because there were four channels. So I can understand being our age and going, man, it's just not like it used to be. But also the way that we consume music, the way that music has gotten to us is not the same.

[Mike]

I guess I just feel bad for the songs. Their lifespan has just gotten a lot shorter.

[Bobby Bones]

I would also say they're written so much faster and produced so much faster and they're created so much quicker. So I do understand that. But it is for that reason.

[Mike]

Papawa.

[Bobby Bones]

I think another thing, and this isn't about music as much, but something that annoyed me personally was so we had a company that owned like five or six stations that our show was syndicated on, the Bobby Bone Show. And so like a year or so ago, it was Alpha Media. They were being bought by another company and we were on. On a bunch of big stations on these Alpha Media companies. And so this other company bought this company and the first thing they say is, we're taking them all local. And that's fine by me. I don't own the company. And we were on some of those stations. And obviously I knew our fate eventually would be any of those stations that we're on. Eventually they're just going to hire local shows and they probably won't perform as well, but there's a decent chance that they could make at least the same or more money. Who knows? Who knows? If they can sell it, great. I have no problem. Local, syndicated, if it works, that's great. So I didn't even find out until I saw it online that we were taking off in Chicago.

[Mike]

That does suck.

[Bobby Bones]

I saw it on an Instagram post. It was on, just flipping through, and it was like, the Buy Bones show off in Chicago, New company. And I was like, wait, this is how I find out. My company didn't even tell me.

[Mike]

That's crazy that they don't tell you or give you just a heads up, like, hey, in the next couple weeks, this is gonna happen.

[Bobby Bones]

Nothing. Wow. I knew it was coming even a year prior because that company does not do syndication. They bought those. So I'm not personally offended by it, but I think where. I think where I was a little bothered was nobody told me. I just freaking saw it flipping through Instagram and there's a picture of me and he's like, gone. Like, gone dead. What?

[Mike]

I've died.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay. So, yeah, that was weird.

[Mike]

That's a hard way to find out.

[Bobby Bones]

And so then I would get all these messages from people going, like, why are you. Aren't you on anymore? And it's like, you want the nature of the business? Or I just go, yeah, we're not. But you can listen on podcasts.

[Mike]

That's probably better. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

But my annoyance is that nobody told me. And I saw it on Instagram. Mike, did you ever see that? Any of that?

[Mike]

I've seen comments where people are like, hey, listen to your station over here. And it's jazz music. I'm like, oh, wow. Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, the nature of the beast with, like, our radio show is that we're on so many stations, probably over 200, that there are changes all the time. Stations we go on that I don't even know we're on, stations they pull us off of for different reasons, too. And so I don't know at this point, I don't know. It'd be nice if they would tell me if, like, we're going off in Chicago.

[Mike]

Just a little heads up.

[Bobby Bones]

Just if they're gonna do a news story or like a post, I don't see myself dying on Instagram as the first thing. So that would be, I think, the thing that personally has annoyed me. But that's not music industry. That's kind of just our industry.

[Mike]

Huh? Yeah. Our radio industry, I guess.

[Bobby Bones]

Here's one. Have you ever been sued? Here's an interesting thing just in the past. I don't want to say a date because I Don't want to put on an artist specifically, but I had an artist that did this show call me and say, hey, I think I'm gonna be sued for coming on your show. Whoa.

[Mike]

I don't think I know this story.

[Bobby Bones]

No, nobody does. Whoa. Maybe Mike does. But even that, I didn't have a conversation with it for just being on the show. I want to protect the person. And by the way, you can sue for anything.

[Mike]

Yeah, I know.

[Bobby Bones]

You don't have to be right to sue. You can just be a little butthurt.

[Mike]

And that sucks because you have to protect yourself by hiring an attorney, and it's going to cost you money even though you've done nothing wrong.

[Bobby Bones]

This artist that I did a full episode with called me and said, I think I'm going to get sued. Here is what happened. And I have no issue. Mike has no issue with pulling any part of anything, even a full episode. If something's going to get somebody in trouble. And you're like, would you mind taking that down? We're going to do it because one, we kind of care about folks generally, and then two, with people in this town, the relationships are never just a one and done. Like, everybody's here and everybody stays here. And if we have a podcast episode that we demand stays up, we're going to have to do business somehow with that artist again.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Bobby Bones]

So of course I was like, I will pull the episode. And they were like, you don't have to do that, but I'm just warning you, you may also get sued.

[Mike]

Whoa.

[Bobby Bones]

This gets into another thing, a conversation Mike and I had the other day, but I said, I am not going to get sued. There's nothing I said that was defamatory in any way. And if something was inaccurate, it was presented as. I'm not sure about this, and it was opinion based.

[Mike]

But was there a little chance in your head where you're like, well, I still could get sued.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, I can get sued regardless. Right. I knew if I got sued. This is my mind here. If I got sued, I wouldn't lose. And if I got sued, I was gonna get a lot of press for it.

[Mike]

Oh, okay.

[Bobby Bones]

So then that positive thinking, well, it's like, what's the benefit? Otherwise, I don't get suited. I just pull it. Yeah, we didn't pull the episode. It still exists. It is up fully. And no one got sued. The artist never got sued. I think it was somebody just threatening because they did not like what the artist was saying in the episode.

[Mike]

Wow.

[Bobby Bones]

And I'll just Leave it at that. Because I don't want to point to it here in this because I don't want anything bad to fall onto them at this point. I'll tell you guys off the air.

[Mike]

Yeah. Because I want to know.

[Bobby Bones]

But recently was talking to Cain Brown. I don't know when you're going to see this. Now. This is real recent. And I'll use Cain's name specifically because this is what happened. Cain comes in and you'll see it in the interview if it hasn't come out yet. Cain was talking about somebody he worked with that basically stole. Not stole, because he knew. I would say Cain felt like a deal was unfairly manipulated and he lost about 10 million bucks to this person. Whoa. And he talked about it and he said the person's name and we did the interview and he's like, leave it in. I don't give a crap. He's pissed. Up on Mike and I communicating about some stuff. We decided to just bleep the guy's name.

[Mike]

Okay. So without. Before it even went up anywhere, you're just like, it's probably better if we did this.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And I don't know when people are watching this, so it may already be up. But Cain did say who it was. We decided to bleep it because I didn't think me getting sued for that would get enough. It wouldn't be press worthy. Right.

[Mike]

I understand. It's kind of a situation among them versus you. You're just like, I'm just the podcast guy.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And even if I were to get sued, like, no one was gonna care because that wasn't about me.

[Mike]

Yeah, I get that.

[Bobby Bones]

I didn't ask the question. I have a comment about it. It was just Cain talking about it. So I encourage you to check out that interview if it's not up. Depending on when you see this. But, Mike, anything that I'm saying wrong about that story? No, that's how it went down. Because we could have left it in and we also wouldn't have been wrong because we didn't say anything, but we decided it just wasn't worth it to us. And Cain was just telling the story about how he signed a bad deal. He felt like he was tricked into signing a bad deal and it cost him about $10 million overall.

[Mike]

Damn. That's crazy. Follow up question on how you and Mike communicate, though. How does that go down? Is it Mike like, hey, I was thinking this, or you, hey, Mike, I need a second opinion on this. Let's talk about it.

[Bobby Bones]

No, we had the interview. We were both kind of blown away. Cain was talking about it so openly. And Cain said, I've never talked about this. It happens. Mike had a conversation with somebody else close to us, and that somebody else said, hey, you're good. You're not gonna, like, you didn't do anything wrong. But this person is known to be litigious.

[Mike]

That's scary.

[Bobby Bones]

And again, a lawsuit itself, for the sake of a lawsuit, is not gonna threaten me because I have the money to hire a lawyer or to have lawyers to fight it. It sucks to have to pay it, but I'm not gonna be bullied. But it was just for. No, it just didn't feel like it. Right, Mike? Yeah. Didn't feel worth it. If it was worth it, we'd have run with it, and I'd have just gone, let's do justice. It wasn't a justice thing. It was Cain just kind of telling the story. He was pissed. I don't feel like he was triggered. I feel like he purposefully had thought it out and was talking about it openly, not reacting, but responding, which is. There's a big difference there. But we didn't put it up. So almost got sued or was threatened to be sued for one. We pulled the other for the smart. Yeah. And there's another thing that happened recently that I could not talk about at all recently. You know, Do I know that one?

[Mike]

Yeah, I know that one. Yeah, I know that one.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Super recently.

[Mike]

I know that one.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, that one. One day. One day. So the question to that is, yes, we've been. There's been lots of lawsuits, and one day I may get sued and I may lose. I hope not.

[Mike]

But just the sound of the word lawsuit or sued, it's just scary to me. Like, I got sued one time, but it was another. Eddie Garcia. Yeah. As a cab driver in New York, New York City, it's like a hit and run situation.

[Bobby Bones]

So you didn't get sued?

[Mike]

Well, yeah, but they came to me and served me papers.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, you might get served, but you didn't get sued. Big difference.

[Mike]

I was 18 years old, and they're like, were you in New York City? I'm like, no, I've never been out of this state.

[Bobby Bones]

If you want to admit now it was you, dude, that's prime. No, that's prime. Okay, here's another one. Any fallout from the Morgan Evans interview? Fallout is an interesting way to describe it. So I would say fallout. No, I said this before, so I give a quick recap. I'm biased.

[Mike]

You Are openly.

[Bobby Bones]

I never said I wasn't biased. Morgan Evans is my friend. So people are like, you didn't approach that as a journalist with integrity. Not a journalist, barely integrity.

[Mike]

Let it be known.

[Bobby Bones]

And also I had said on my Instagram story, it is now gone. That. And Mike can back me up on this too. And I don't want to put this entity out, but we got an email going, hey, do you want Morgan Evans on the Bobbycast? And I said, I would have said yes anyway, but maybe Morgan would have just texted me or emailed my, you know, it's a friend.

[Mike]

Yeah, buddy.

[Bobby Bones]

And it said it's the. He wants to talk about his divorce for the first time. And he's gonna. He's never done it. He'll talk about it. And then he just kind of wants this to be the one time that he talks about it so he doesn't have to answer questions about it forever. And so Mike and I were like, of course. Like we'd have Morgan on anyway. I would have never gone to the divorce in the interview had it not been sent to me. Hey, he wants to do this. While we were doing the interview, I went to the question because that's what they wanted. That's what he wanted me to do. I could feel like he didn't really want me. It's not that he didn't want it, but he wasn't expecting it. And I knew something was a little off, but he was answering questions, he trusted me. We finished it and we only talked. We probably talked five to seven minutes about that divorce. Most of, I mean, 80% of the interview wasn't that. And it wasn't how he started, it wasn't how he ended and hit him up. And I was like, hey, dude, you know I was gonna talk about the divorce, right? And he was like, well, I didn't know what you were gonna. And I was like, oh my God, we got. Yah.

[Mike]

That's not what I was told.

[Bobby Bones]

Somebody probably said to him, hey, just be pre. He may ask about the divorce. And they told us, hey, you can ask about the divorce.

[Mike]

Oh man.

[Bobby Bones]

Because they wanted that out there.

[Mike]

Wow. So you had different information than he did.

[Bobby Bones]

And, and he had different information too.

[Mike]

I wonder when you started asking him questions about the divorce, was he like.

[Bobby Bones]

I thought he was acting for a minute. I thought he was just like. I was like, oh, I got you.

[Mike]

Hey, okay, we know what's up, right?

[Bobby Bones]

Uh huh. I don't fully believe that. He was like, yeah, tell Bob. Because thinking back, I think he would have said, hey, ask me whatever you want. He never did. And so the interview's great. I think the interview came off wonderfully because he's such a nice guy. And honestly, while that was happening and it was fresh, the divorce, I was with him. Like, he was not in a good place. It was obviously very hard. And so him and I would play pickleball. Me, you, him. Brett went to Iowa to go watch Arkansas basketball. We were just doing crap. Go to dinner, just. He played Million dollar show with us just to kind of keep his mind busy before he left. I don't think that that was his intention, and it was not my intention. It ended up working out well because holy crap. I think got so much press, but I never want any of my friends to have to go through that. And he kind of had to go through it again because of all that. And I had a bit of guilt, and I messaged him, and I was like, dude, I'm sorry. Like, I don't. He's like, dude, all good. So whenever I got that message from Chase Stokes, who is on the Netflix shower. Banks Outer Banks.

[Mike]

He's a John B.

[Bobby Bones]

It blew up again. Now that's on me, because I posted it now that I'm not gonna. I was like, what?

[Mike]

Not a journalist?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Very little integrity and biased. No integrity. But I couldn't believe that a dude, he po. And I was like, this is crazy. But also wanted to be like, I still don't dislike Jay Stokes. I don't know him. I. Morgan never had any attention. Then it blew up, dude. It's five days later, and stuff's still popping up on stuff. Hey, crazy. Yeah.

[Mike]

That was crazy.

[Bobby Bones]

Fallout. No. And some people would be like, hey, have you talked to Kelsey? I don't have Kelsey's number, and Kelsey doesn't have my new number. I don't have anything against Kelsey at all. I was with Morgan. I was both of their. I was Kelsey's friend first, obviously. Yeah.

[Mike]

She toured with us.

[Bobby Bones]

Toured with us. Heck, I saved her number one song, like, three times when she was a baby artist. But she's done her own thing. She's crushed it. She did everything else, but we definitely were friends. And then I became friends with both of them, and then Morgan and I became better friends because we're just two dudes, and we can do dude stuff together. And then.

[Mike]

And he really is a nice dude. Like, a really nice guy.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. And so then that happened, and I was just with Morgan, but I have nothing against Kelsey, but. No, I mean, we haven't talked. She's not asked to come on. People be like, why don't you have her on, Mike? Has she ever asked to come on? No. So she never asked to come on. But I have nothing, like, professional against her, obviously. Like, I was with Morgan. So like, there are parts of that that I probably got aside of, but even I know that. But, you know, she doesn't have my number now, and I don't have her number. It'd probably be hard to track down, but that's where we are.

[Mike]

Has Chase Stokes reached out to you again?

[Bobby Bones]

Can't say he has.

[Mike]

All right.

[Bobby Bones]

Cannot say.

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[Bobby Bones]

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[Mike]

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[Bobby Bones]

What's the closest you got to something and it didn't work out?

[Mike]

Hmm.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, I've got a couple of those. I don't know. Did you?

[Podcast Announcer]

Me?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, it can be anything. I don't know. If you don't have anything you can just ponder.

[Mike]

No, no, just go. Go answer this.

[Bobby Bones]

There have been a couple things. 1. Oh, I mentioned this maybe in a podcast coming up with Joel McHale. I thought I was gonna get. I was gonna be the host of no Whammy. Pressure, Luck. The new version. Oh yeah. I went through the whole process, all of it, and they end up giving it to Elizabeth Banks. Who in my mind, when they were telling me who was in the running, they were very open and honest about it. I Did not get that job. I never think anything's gonna happen until it is done, though. So my heart is never, like, ripped out of me.

[Mike]

But that was close, though.

[Bobby Bones]

But that was very. I thought that was gonna get the job, but I get it. She's much more famous. I don't know if the show is still on, but, yeah, I thought I was going to get that. There's been a few of those. If you saw the Tom Bergeron interview, there was a. Period, I want to say brief, a period of time where I was being led to believe I was going to be the host of Dancing with the Stars. And I was getting pretty excited about that because I loved that show and my time on that show. And what Tom and I talked about was. And it's up on the Bobbycast, if you want to hear it. When they were like, hey, Tom's done as host. We're gonna. You know, we'd love to talk to you about it. Like, you're the easy. The first person we'd want to talk to. I was like, man, can I talk to Tom, make some advice? They're like, no, we'd. Because of the lawyers and stuff. We'd rather you not talk to him. No, they were firing him.

[Mike]

Oh, that was the reason.

[Bobby Bones]

But I didn't know that.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

And so I feel like through many conversations that we had, like, your job, Your job. And then I was hitting golf balls on a driving range, and I look at my phone, and it's like, tyra Banks hired to be the host of Dance. I was like, did they misspell Bobby Bones?

[Mike]

Wait a minute.

[Bobby Bones]

That's what it felt like. So.

[Mike]

Oh, no.

[Bobby Bones]

I thought I was getting that, and I didn't get it. And there's a lot of things I just haven't got. But these are what. Like, they walk me to the end

[Mike]

before you move on, though. So what was the. Did they tell you after. Like, after you saw that Tyra Banks got it? Did you call them or how did.

[Bobby Bones]

No.

[Mike]

No more communication.

[Bobby Bones]

I called my agent and I was like, hey, is it Tyra and Bobby?

[Mike]

Yeah, because that. That would be cool.

[Bobby Bones]

And they were also surprised. And they were like, no, let me. We'll call. I don't call.

[Mike]

So they never let you know. They just.

[Bobby Bones]

Wow. I didn't see.

[Mike]

I didn't know how that worked.

[Bobby Bones]

There's one that hurts the most, though, because it's not those, like, the no whammy thing doesn't really hurt that bad. That'd have been fun.

[Mike]

That would've Been really cool. I think you'd be great at a game show.

[Bobby Bones]

Host the dancing. One of the stars that have been awesome. I get it. Like, I get why this is happening, but the one that hurts the most, and I gotta be delicate with this one. My goal has always been to host one of the two award shows, ACMs or CMAs. Do you know the story?

[Mike]

I kind of know where it's going, but I don't know the details of it. No.

[Bobby Bones]

So I'm not even gonna say which one. It's like four months before the show, I get a call. I was on a tour bus, like, I think going from a St. Jude event, because we used to take a

[Mike]

tour bus over to Memphis.

[Bobby Bones]

And also it makes it like, as I was. We're going to play music for kids with kids. Makes us feel like, yeah, good guys. And I got a call from my manager and he was like, hey, I got some news. I was like, cool. They go, hey, they want you to host a blah, blah, blah. I was like, no way. That's the goal. Finally, everything I had been doing had been leading up to that. I'd been doing standup so I could get better at doing stand up, had been learning how to read, had been getting to know people in Nashville. I was ready. I did all the three things I needed to do. And so I'm like, no way. They're like, yes. And it's going to be a dual co hosting job, you and somebody else. If I say the other person, you'll know what the show is. I can't do that. I was like, great. I don't give a crap. That person did music. So I knew it wasn't going to be somebody that was going to be doing what I do, which is tell jokes. So it worked out wonderfully. About three or four days before the announcement of who was hosting, I got a call from my manager, who I could tell as soon. I just kept waiting for something to go wrong. Anyway, he said, hey, you can't host the show. And I was like, why? And they told me why. And they told me who they had to replace me with and why they had to replace me with them. And it wasn't anything that I did. It's something very. It was very political. I also understood that one hurt. That's the suckiest one, because that was like an actual goal of mine. And I got picked to do it. I was gonna do it and it wasn't like my wife says, I tell the story like I'm about to walk on stage for the show to start.

[Mike]

It does sound like that.

[Bobby Bones]

They take a cane around my neck and pull me off the stage.

[Mike]

Not so fast.

[Bobby Bones]

Yes. But it was, like, a few days before the announcement, and they switched it and they. They. Somebody else did that. That one sucked.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Because that was a goal. But that's something that didn't work. That's the biggest one. Now, I've been able to do a lot of stuff for both. Like, I've presented on the CMAs a bunch of times. That's fine. I've been Reba's number two on the ACMs like, three years in a row. But that one is the one that really got in my butt. When I tell you. Well, I got two things to tell you guys. One, that story, like who.

[Mike]

Off air.

[Bobby Bones]

Do you know who it was?

[Mike]

Off air?

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah. Off air. Do you know who. If you don't. If you have to think about it, you don't know. You do. I do. You'd have been pissed off, huh? Oh, yeah. And then I'm really pissed off. Yeah. That one doesn't make me mad as much as. It just kind of hurts. It just kind of is like, oh, man. But I don't get most things. But nobody gets most things in this space.

[Mike]

Is that because any of those experiences, Is that why you don't think you have it until you actually have it, or is it just something you've always done?

[Podcast Announcer]

Both.

[Bobby Bones]

But especially in the television world. There have been so many other times where, like, there's a good chance and then I don't get it. But I never had it, or I never was even. But it's like, hey, you're one of the few. And then you don't get. You just don't get so many things that you expect not to get them. And that's not a wah wah thing. Nature of the beast. Sometimes somebody slides in. Somebody way more famous slides in that wasn't even up for the job, that something didn't work out, and now they're free, so they grab them. I get it. That's probably happened to me in other situations and other people that I don't even know about.

[Mike]

Yeah, where you got it?

[Bobby Bones]

Where I got something. And it was so.

[Mike]

Yeah, give, take, man, that's tough. That's just. Yeah, you're right. It's part of this business. But it's got to be hard taking a meeting, even. You know, like, taking a meeting and they're like, hey, we love this idea. We're going to. That sounds awesome. And then you never hear anything about it.

[Bobby Bones]

Try nine meetings in a row. That's usually how it goes. So many you get a yeah. Okay. Three more questions. Who is an artist do you think is massively respected inside the industry, but the public probably underestimates?

[Mike]

Hmm.

[Bobby Bones]

I can go while you think. Who comes to mind for me is Charlie Worsham.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah. Everyone loves him.

[Bobby Bones]

Not just loves as a human.

[Mike]

And he's awesome.

[Bobby Bones]

Plays, sings, writes, just. That's the guy, to me, massively respected. Has everything about him that is a star. And for some reason, it just hasn't hit yet. In a way, he's had great albums. Rubber band loved it.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

But also, I love him. And everybody tries to hire him. He does session work. He goes on. He's just the best. So I'd say Charlie Worsham is the person that massively respected, but the public, I don't think, grasps how consequential he is to this town and just country music in general. Anybody can mind for you.

[Mike]

I mean, he's big and he's successful. I just feel like, to the level that he should be, he's not as Dirk Spently. Like, I feel like Dirk Spentley should be a superstar. Like, everyone should know who Dierks Bentley is. And I think that this whole town respects Dierks Bentley. Everyone you talk to loves Dierks Bentley. But he's just got this spot where he's kind of like, that's where he's been, and that's where he's gonna be, you know? And I don't know if it's just because the way he approaches music is interesting. Like, he's so personal about his music. Some artists, they just kind of like, yeah, man, I just get songs, I sing them, I perform, and that's it. He's always so attached to his music. His songs are so important to him. And I feel like that since he cares that much, it kind of keeps him at this level. Does that make sense?

[Bobby Bones]

He has a lot of number ones.

[Mike]

He does have a lot of number ones.

[Bobby Bones]

I mean, he's like, superstar sells out. Maybe he should be president is what you're saying.

[Mike]

I feel like he should. He hasn't won entertainer of the year, Right. There's something like that where he's never gotten.

[Bobby Bones]

That's fair.

[Mike]

Entertainer of the year. And I feel like he should have many times.

[Bobby Bones]

I'm glad you clarified that, because he's definitely a superstar and sells massive shows, but he has not won entertainer of the year and also has probably over 20 number ones. 22 number ones. 22 number ones.

[Mike]

Which is interesting, too, because those award shows are such a popularity contest that I would think.

[Bobby Bones]

I would say political more than popularity. Yes.

[Mike]

You know, it's almost like high school a little bit. Like, the more you kind of hang out with everyone in the industry or you're involved with the industry, the more they tend to vote for you. And I don't know, I just kind of expected him to win that several years, and he never did.

[Bobby Bones]

Also, when it comes to Grammys, he's been nominated 15 times and won none.

[Mike]

See, that's crazy to me.

[Bobby Bones]

Fun fact. Charlie Warsham plays in Dierks band.

[Mike]

Really? Look at that. That makes sense.

[Bobby Bones]

What are we looking at?

[Mike]

Well, they're together. And that's both of our answers.

[Bobby Bones]

All right, we got two more here. What do you think the biggest difference is between people who succeed and people who don't?

[Mike]

Well, money.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, no, no.

[Mike]

The big difference. Literally.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay, so you're saying the product.

[Health Advocate]

Oh, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Like, what happens? What's the product of success versus not. Okay, so I read that question different. So you go repeat the question. What do you think is the biggest difference between people who succeed and people who don't?

[Mike]

They have more money.

[Bobby Bones]

Okay.

[Mike]

One has more money than the other.

[Bobby Bones]

It can absolutely be read that way.

[Mike]

I mean, when you talk about success, it's. You know, people can say success is having a family. Like, that's success, you know. But I think with this question, it's career, it's professional success.

[Bobby Bones]

We're just interpreting the question differently. But I'm glad that you answered like that, because other people probably heard it asked in the same way. How I read it is what do I see as the differences between people who are successful and people who aren't?

[Mike]

Okay. Okay.

[Bobby Bones]

The only difference, the one difference that I see between successful people and people who aren't successful are that the successful people don't quit. That's it. That's the only difference. Because it goes back to even all the rejection we're talking about a minute ago.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Anybody I know that is successful? If we're talking professionally, they probably got told no more times than you would ever believe and told that things they were doing was so different or wrong. And maybe they were, but they either modified or kept going. The difference in successful people and unsuccessful people is that successful people can be unsuccessful until they're not. They don't quit. That's the difference.

[Mike]

What do you say to the people that don't quit, but they never make it?

[Bobby Bones]

Then don't use the word never. Why would you use the word never? You haven't quit yet. So the word never doesn't exist. You haven't quit.

[Mike]

So you believe, and I'm not disagreeing with you, but do you believe that someone that just keeps working, keeps fighting, keeps trying to improve their craft, whatever it is, eventually will get their big break?

[Bobby Bones]

I think you don't get your big break unless you continue through a lot of no's and a lot of hardship. I think sometimes people find success by not quitting in areas they didn't even expect to try to be successful. Let's say you want to be a star basketball player. You end up being a great coach because maybe you didn't have exactly that ability, but you're like, oh, I love this. And maybe I'm a little limited physically, but I can still do this at a high level. I'm just going to pivot 8 degrees. I think success is just not quitting. That's the. To have an irrational confidence and not quit. Those are the two traits of the most successful people that I know. Because you have to be irrational about your abilities, about how you have to be irrational about what you. What other people say about you and how wrong it is.

[Mike]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

Even if they're right. Yeah.

[Mike]

You got to believe in yourself.

[Bobby Bones]

Thanks, man.

[Mike]

Hey, no, I'm talking.

[Bobby Bones]

No, no, thank you.

[Mike]

You're welcome. I believe that you'll make it someday, kid.

[Bobby Bones]

Final question. What's the biggest myth fans believe about the country music industry? Oh, I got an easy one. Oh, I have one. You probably have mine. Go.

[Health Advocate]

I feel.

[Mike]

No, no, the music. I feel like fans. I feel like fans think that their artists party harder than they really party.

[Bobby Bones]

Oh, that's interesting. I think there's an artist party phase for most. To all artists.

[Mike]

Yes. Not to say that there aren't artists that make up for the ones that don't party, but, like, you know, I think that the. The view that a lot of fans have is like, oh, dude, you know, like, this artist, they get drunk, they party all the time. But the reality is, is if they did that all the time, they wouldn't be able to perform all the time. They wouldn't be able to tour and play as many shows as they. Because that would take a toll on you.

[Bobby Bones]

Yeah, I think usually I can speak to dude artists. Dude, artists do have a clip where they do exactly what you're saying. They party so hard, and they realize they can't if they want to be successful, so they can't Keep doing it. But they do continue the image because physically, it's almost impossible to perform at a high level if you're not investing in all the things that you need to be health wise, mind and body to be successful.

[Mike]

And you're doing shows one night after another. Like, you can't do that every day.

[Bobby Bones]

I would say a myth. Backstage sucks.

[Mike]

That's a good one.

[Bobby Bones]

There's nothing backstage.

[Mike]

There's nothing backstage.

[Bobby Bones]

Passes hanging out backstage.

[Mike]

And you know what? The sound sucks back there.

[Bobby Bones]

Everything sucks about backstage. Everyone's like, I want to get backstage. No, it sucks. Like, sometimes there'll be a room that an artist has where they walk in for like 10 minutes and do like a quick hello to some people who have waited in line for an hour through a client or a radio station to do a quick meet and greet. And that's all fun. But there's nothing happening backstage.

[Mike]

And that goes with what I'm saying. People go back there and be like, where are the tequila shots? They're not here, dude.

[Bobby Bones]

No, dude. There's like four car batteries on top of each other. That's all there is.

[Mike]

That's it.

[Bobby Bones]

That's what's running part of that show out there. The biggest myth in country music is that backstage is cool, man.

[Mike]

But people love that backstage pass, though. Can I get a backstage pass for what?

[Bobby Bones]

I would say the stuff that happens is happening on the bus.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah.

[Bobby Bones]

No, not.

[Mike]

Hey, is that what you're talking about?

[Bobby Bones]

Because that's like a person's apartment.

[Mike]

Yes, it is.

[Bobby Bones]

So anything that's like, home. Home they're doing or anything, or people are. Their friends are there. If they're. That's happening on the bus.

[Mike]

What's the coolest bus experience you've had? Like, any artists that you've gone on their bus? Like, it's kind of fun.

[Bobby Bones]

No, I don't really do fun generally.

[Mike]

What about, like, a good conversation on a tour bus? I think something, man.

[Bobby Bones]

Darius is cool because it was like the South Carolina bricks. Like, I just think of the aesthetic of it.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, that's cool.

[Bobby Bones]

But, like, if I'm on. I don't need to be on somebody's bus. I'm in. Like, that's like their. That's like their house. And I'm not their. Or drink or.

[Mike]

Did we get on Toby's bus? Or am I imagining that?

[Bobby Bones]

I don't. I never got. I never got on a bus with him. I don't.

[Mike]

Maybe I feel like we did.

[Bobby Bones]

I've been like, I've been with him a bunch of times, but I don't know about a bus.

[Mike]

What I remember about his, his bus situation is they had their buses parked, you know, in the back of the venue or whatever, but in between, they have turf, you know, like fake golf grass, and they've got a barbecue pit going. And they have. It almost seems like an RV park back there.

[Bobby Bones]

Well, they want to make it feel like as much home as they possibly can because they're always on the road so much. Okay. Hey, thanks, man, for hanging out. Hey, thanks.

[Mike]

That was fun, man.

[Bobby Bones]

We really did it.

[Mike]

We did it, man.

[Bobby Bones]

I don't know what we did, but

[Mike]

dang it, we did something.

[Bobby Bones]

Thank you, everybody. And until next time, say that line you always say. Ain't nothing, nothing about eating corn dog on Tuesday.

[Mike]

Know what I'm saying?

[Bobby Bones]

Till next time, everybody.

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