
Jay talks about the alternate endings for the movie "American History X." He reminds the gang about the scene where the skinheads play the black inmates for control of the basketball court. Jay poses this question to everyone: If a magic genie granted you Edward Norton's buff-body but you had to keep his American History X Nazi tattoo, would you take it? Jacob wants to take the deal if it would make him taller. Hear everyone's shocking answers! *To hear the full show to go www.siriusxm.com/bonfire to learn more FOLLOW THE CREW ON SOCIAL MEDIA: @thebonfiresxm @louisjohnson @christinemevans @bigjayoakerson @robertkellylive @louwitzkee @jjbwolf
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Big J Okerson
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Big J Okerson
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Tim Allen
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Big J Okerson
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Tim Allen
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Big J Okerson
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Tim Allen
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Big J Okerson
And if those of you that don't like it, y'all can suck my mother, kid. Oh, iced tea. What a wacky dude.
Tim Allen
Did he ever go back to rap or did you just go right into acting after this? Did he ever go back into rap or did you stay in metal?
Big J Okerson
No. Sure. No, no. He said, yeah, he did rap for sure. I mean, so you know, he's the rapper in the movie Breaking. I mean, he's. It's like the most basic, corny, like, you know, the ice is cold, the tea is hot. Come on, baby, baby, show me what you got. Because that's actually a line from it.
Tim Allen
It's my favorite ever rap.
Big J Okerson
Is it really?
Tim Allen
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
You like that 80s cheese ball?
Tim Allen
Yes. It's cold and the D is hot.
Big J Okerson
My name is Bob.
Tim Allen
It was a Dougie Fresh. Dougie Fresh.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Tim Allen
That was that type of rap.
Big J Okerson
Do you like that the best? No, I don't like that the best. I said, I have a hard time. Like the evolution of that. It went so fast from that in my. In my eyes, at least as a kid, it was like that. And then, like, Public Enemy was the first thing that kind of got out of that Run DMC kind of vibe. Yeah, it was, like, different. And then by the time I got to, like, for me, like, Onyx and Wu Tang and stuff like that, and then the Far side and bands, like, it was so. So levels above what, Run dmc. There's no obvious. None of it without Run dmc. But I mean, Run DMC never, ever got past, like, the, you know, Beep Bob. But I love Run dmc.
Tim Allen
Yeah, I like. I mean, I. I like that Dougie Fresh. I like Dougie Fresh. That was fun. Six, man. Thank you for asking.
Kat Dennings
Roger tries to wrap in Lethal Weapon. My name is Roger and a heater. I always remember that being the worst rap.
Big J Okerson
Well, my name is. Something I'm here to say is the quintessential. This is about to suck.
Tim Allen
Did you see that? Did you deleted scene from that?
Kat Dennings
From Lethal Weapon.
Tim Allen
Lethal Weapon. They deleted it. It was a school shooting. Guy was in the.
Big J Okerson
Nice.
Tim Allen
In the. Yeah, it was a guy killing kids. Just killing kids.
Big J Okerson
Deserved, though.
Tim Allen
And he just walked. Of course. Okay. Not all of them.
Kat Dennings
For real.
Tim Allen
Yeah. He walks up, they're like, where's swat? They're like five minutes out. He just. All right, check it out. He just walks up nice and just shoots. He goes. How is.
Kat Dennings
Murtaugh shoots him?
Tim Allen
Who? Riggs walks up. Murta's. Not that Riggs just walks up. He goes, how's his shot? Is he. Is he taking people out? He's like. He's kind of, you know, he's shooting. He's not hitting everything. And he goes, all right. He just walks up. Guy shooting him, missing. Just takes him out, shoots him right in the head.
Kat Dennings
Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, I gotta see that.
Big J Okerson
You know, I read a thing yesterday. There's an alternate ending to American History X where some. After the. You know, how the hell it ends. Americans 3X. Like, he turned his ways around. And then the kid goes to school. They've also said it in the script. It's supposed to be the kid who shot Danny Edward Furlong in the chest is the younger brother of the kid that Edward. Edward Norton stomped on his face. I don't think it was ever made clear in the movie, but the thing I read said that was supposed to be the case of it. But then, could you imagine if they went with this? See if you can find, like, a write up of it of what the alternate ending was. They never Showed the video, I don't think, but it's a Edward Norton. You see him, like, when after Danny's like. Danny's like crying. He gets up. Is it? And then you see him, like, you see that. You see a sink and the hair hits the sink, and then it pans up and you see his swastika tattoos out again. And he's like. Smirks at the camera. I was like, what? Just back in Blackstar. Back in Blackstar playing after that, time to go take out some blacks again.
Tim Allen
Kicks the door open on the front lawn, there's a cross. He throws a cigarette and it lights up.
Big J Okerson
The director was like, well, this is how the thing we can't ever get outside of this, like, cycle of violence. But I'm like, yeah, but he's screaming in his. While he's holding his brother. He's saying, what did I do? Yeah, he's saying, what did I do? So it wouldn't have made sense. But, like, it is so funny. See him go like, you know what? You're right. I'm back. Let's give some black people. Get those mix ins across the wall. Indians from India put him in the catapult. Yeah. The ending he wanted to do, the original thing ends where he gets shot by a black student whose brother was killed by Derek earlier in the film. In the other version, after we are taken to a scene in the family apartment where the texts were trying to comfort his mother and sister, the camera pans away and cuts to a scene in the bathroom. The sink filled with hair and an electric razor next to it. Derek is standing there with his head shaved, stares in the mirror, looks at the swastik on his chest before pulling out a pistol. The film ends on a shot of Derek's sick smile. The same style we saw when he was arrested for his murders earlier in the film. Him smirking at the camera would have been such a hilarious. I'm like, that's been the most confusing thing. As confusing as the triumphant music for finally taking the basketball courts back from black people. Besides that confusing scene, what was that? That would have been equally. I forget that scene I saw with Kurt Metzger the first time. And when Kurt pointed it out. Because, like, if you go to the basketball scene. Cause they play the music there, they start thinking the black guys are playing rough, like, hits him in the face or whatever. And they're like, yo. And he goes, you know what? How about this? He goes, whites versus blacks. Rest of the game score stays the same. Like, we're down or whatever. And I mean, everything possibly that can go wrong in this bet. That's what I made with when I did the Shane and Matt McCusker thing. I made an American History X bet. But they go, all right, so now we're gonna blacks versus whites. But winners take the court. Like, whoever wins, losers are fucking gone. No fighting, no complaining. He says, no. There's like, no bitching. He goes. He goes. We leave or you leave for good. And they go, okay. And then this ends, and you'll see with Edward Norton stealing the ball, all five foot six of them, and going up for a game winning reverse dunk. No. And they play triumphant. Everyone's like, yeah, get out of here, you black pieces of shit. They're throwing stuff at me like, yeah, we did it. We finally got rid of the music's so confusing to. What? Wait, I thought. This is bad. You're not supposed to say.
Tim Allen
Is that Stacy ke?
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Tim Allen
With the hair lip.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Tim Allen
Without the mustache. God, why do they do that?
Big J Okerson
No, no, back up, back up. You got to go to the dunk.
Christine
It's not before this, right?
Big J Okerson
Give it a little forward and some volume, please. We're doing mostly an audio medium, so.
Tim Allen
This is.
Big J Okerson
Hmm, peculiar.
Tim Allen
New Year. New Year.
Big J Okerson
You'll catch it. Oh, yeah. There's your boy. Dude.
Tim Allen
Is that. Is that Ethan?
Big J Okerson
Ethan Supply.
Tim Allen
Ethan. Look, he's big. Look how big he is.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, well, that's back when he was a small forward.
Tim Allen
Small forward, large Ford.
Big J Okerson
You got. Wait, wait, turn it around. Back it up. You got to show Bobby this. Bobby doesn't remember the most amazing play in basketball history since the black man's involvement in basketball. This is the most amazing thing a white man's ever done.
Tim Allen
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
And look. Listen to music. Even I have goosebumps right now. And I'm not happy for them, but I'm fooled into them, like, oh, bye, bye, blacks.
Tim Allen
The palm trees are. Look at the palm trees.
Big J Okerson
Against all odds, we beat you at a game that you're way better at with a morbidly obese guy in full clothing.
Tim Allen
And you guys left.
Big J Okerson
You left quietly and also no trouble. I guess afterwards. I guess those skinheads beat us fair and square. Oh, yeah. Now they accept that. All of a sudden you can just push them in the chest.
Tim Allen
This is stupid.
Big J Okerson
I know. The point forward is wearing full suspenders.
Tim Allen
This is like an Adam Sandler movie. This is nuts.
Big J Okerson
And Kurt, I remember watching Kurt goes. Are they trying to trick me in the cheering? That the voice of Premise won the game? Yeah. Oh, God, we did it. We Beat the blacks in basketball.
Tim Allen
You have a rocky moment in a theater by accident.
Big J Okerson
But only that ending would have gone with that scene. It's the only two things where they would have gone together perfectly.
Kat Dennings
I just watched a little documentary on this movie and the director totally.
Big J Okerson
He hates it.
Kat Dennings
He hates Edward Norton. Why Edward Norton took over the editing.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Tim Allen
Because Dove Davidoff was friends with that director. He used to come to the Cellar.
Kat Dennings
He's crazy.
Tim Allen
He's a crazy looking dude. To talk to him a little bit. But I heard something about that. Why did he.
Big J Okerson
I don't think he made much stuff.
Kat Dennings
Afterwards like they were.
Big J Okerson
He was mad at Edward and he hated Edward Norton. Hated him because he said he just took over, like, everything.
Kat Dennings
Kind of like at the original cut, Edward Norton was not. Was drastically. Less scenes.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Kat Dennings
Edward Norton saw it and threatened to be to. I don't know, disassociate himself from the movie.
Big J Okerson
Yeah. Much less. Like, much less. It was supposed to focus far more on.
Kat Dennings
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Edward Furlong.
Tim Allen
Is this a bio of this director's life?
Kat Dennings
If you see it, the guy's.
Big J Okerson
He wishes.
Kat Dennings
He's still upset, Jacob. But he admits that I'm not a Hollywood director. I wouldn't look. He would have bankrupt them.
Big J Okerson
Jacob, this is a great question. And it goes around. We'll take us around the whole room, except for you, Christine. Go back to that picture of Edward Norton with a shirt off.
Kat Dennings
I know what you're saying.
Big J Okerson
Do you take this body, but you have to live with that swastika tattoo forever? I just would. I would explain it. I'd be like, yeah, dude, the genie was hilarious. And he said, I can get the body, but I got to keep this. I swear to you, I'm Jewish. I don't believe in this at all.
Kat Dennings
Jay, it's not the first time I've thought about this. I mean, for years when I saw.
Big J Okerson
This, like, if you had to, by the way, none of the arm stuff, none of the hand stuff, just that one. At some point, you have to reveal the giant swastika. And a tank top is not going to cover it completely.
Tim Allen
So you. Do you have to reveal it, or can you just wear shirts all the time? Time.
Big J Okerson
You can wear shirts your entire life. And then what's the point of having the body?
Kat Dennings
Yeah, that's true.
Tim Allen
It's a catch 22.
Big J Okerson
But you. But every time you're like, yeah. Every time you go to the beach, like, you got it on your perimeter, goes, guys, I'm about to peel down. Listen to me. Part of getting this Body. The deal was I had to have a swastika tattoo and have it exposed for the rest of my life. I mean, no offense to anything. I hate what this stands for. Voss, look at my body.
Tim Allen
Voss, thank you for inviting me to your barbecue. I love you.
Big J Okerson
Voss, before you freak out, I'm about to take my shirt off here. Now, not only is your wife about to get dripped by my body, you're gonna be a little upset by my chest tattoo.
Kat Dennings
I think a woman would overlook a gigantic swastika if you have that body.
Big J Okerson
Or you just find the hottest racist chick.
Tim Allen
That's an option.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, I was gonna say there's. Everyone's supposed to laugh and then they just kinda go like, okay, it's a good idea.
Tim Allen
You just move down to South Carolina, get a show on Anthony's network.
Big J Okerson
You gotta roll your eyes cause she's always being racist. She's not gonna accept you, but you have to roll her eyes cause she's too rare. And you're not. You just have the tattoo and she's like another fucking black. Just moves the neighbor. Calm down, honey. I don't care that much. Well, your fucking tattoo says you do.
Tim Allen
I mean, not. I look it. Not for nothing, it's a. The logo itself.
Big J Okerson
Go on, finish what you're gonna say.
Tim Allen
It's a. It's a great.
Big J Okerson
Trump's almost back. You can say.
Tim Allen
I'm just saying.
Big J Okerson
No, Trump's almost back.
Tim Allen
What it represents is terrible, but it's like the. I'm a Red Sox fan, I love the Red Sox, but the Yankee symbol is the shit.
Big J Okerson
Sure.
Tim Allen
You know what I mean?
Big J Okerson
I mean, I hear you.
Tim Allen
You see that symbol, you. I know you can't. I mean, even if you're black, you kind of like, I'd rather have a.
Big J Okerson
Tattoo, I'd rather have a swastika than like the Toronto Raptors. Like Raptor drilling a basketball logo. I'd rather explain a swastika than have the Raptors logo on me.
Kat Dennings
When I go.
Big J Okerson
And they go, what is that swastika? I'm a Raptors fan, but I'm not wearing that gay ass Raptor dribbling a basketball on my chest. So I went with swastika. The two ways to show that you like it. I know there's.
Kat Dennings
When I go to the Hindu market, they're all over the. They have the swastikas, but they're reversed.
Big J Okerson
I know they're trying to tell you're not welcome and you're not listening. You keep coming, you walk around.
Kat Dennings
They had it before the swastika.
Big J Okerson
Why don't they understand? Not welcome, though.
Tim Allen
Yeah, they had Buddhism. I think the Egyptians had it.
Big J Okerson
Why do these Jews keep coming in? Don't they see our swastikas?
Tim Allen
I think it's where it's located too. Like the position of it.
Big J Okerson
No, I always think it's so weird. There's a building when you drive by on the highway in Philly down 76 West. One of the buildings. I don't know if it's the right or wrong. I think it's the right way. One of the buildings is in the brickwork at the very top of it. Just got like a brick swastika. Like. It's weird, really.
Christine
Where?
Big J Okerson
Very strange. Like on 76, when you're going like towards where my grandmother lived in Philly. It's right by the. Kind of. By the art museum.
Tim Allen
I think there's probably a lot of buildings with swastikas in them.
Big J Okerson
In America before.
Tim Allen
Before the Second World War, it was probably what, it was Hindu and all that?
Big J Okerson
No, that's the other direction.
Tim Allen
You know what I mean?
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Christine
Is it the other direction? This just says that it's. The swastika is basically stolen by the West.
Big J Okerson
By the way, it means good fortune or well being. I don't mind that at all.
Tim Allen
But not to Jews.
Big J Okerson
But not particularly to Jews. But believe me, these will all. All these little fun facts you see here. It may have first been used in Eurasia as early as 7,000 years ago. And also Native American tribes used. These are all the things I'll be saying hysterically. While I'm taking your shirt off. While I'm taking my shirt off? Yeah, yeah. While some girl's pulling my fucking sick dick out of my pants, I'm explaining to her why my swastika. No, you actually know. Seven thousand years ago, they believe they were sweet swastikas. That's way before the Jews came.
Tim Allen
Can you get another tattoo around it? Or is it just that so you can't get like a smiley face?
Big J Okerson
Listen, we all take it. If you're like, I could turn this into a fucking box. You could turn into a big square or diamond on your chest. That doesn't matter. How do you know you get to keep the box? Look at it. Just close off the sides.
Tim Allen
We know what you did in high school.
Big J Okerson
No, I sit next to Luis J. Gomez, who draws swastikas and then boxes them up before he leaves. It's like putting out your cigarettes before you leave somewhere.
Kat Dennings
But Jay, you're saying if. If you got the swastika tattoo and you tried to cover it up. It would magically just come back as a swastika.
Big J Okerson
Well, how about this? Let's put your life on it. Yeah. For your life you will keep this body. But that swastika has got to be that prominent always.
Tim Allen
I can't put like Chinese writing or Japanese writing nowhere.
Big J Okerson
You can't fuck with it at all.
Tim Allen
Can I get other tattoos? Like can I get a letter on my arm explaining what it is? Can I get like tattoos on my abs going. If you like these abs, you could get.
Big J Okerson
Here's what I'll accept. Here's what I'll accept. Very, very small. Right below it you could put J slash K. That's it. But it's gonna be. You gotta be up on your tit to see it, right? But you get that body. And by the way, that's not even the best look. You gotta see when he puts the arms over the head, that's when he really gives it to you. That's when he really shows you what he's working with. Or how about when he's angry fucking the white trash girl. The white supremacy girl. Yeah, Fireuza balk. Remember their aggressive fucking in combat boots?
Tim Allen
I've only seen the movie right before.
Big J Okerson
He kills the guy.
Tim Allen
Twice. I've seen it twice.
Big J Okerson
And what happens you come when he kills the black guy and you never saw the rest.
Tim Allen
Oh, why would you say that?
Big J Okerson
Oh, because you seem to not know about the rest of the movie after he kills the black guy.
Tim Allen
I don't. I didn't. It didn't.
Big J Okerson
You Also stop Rocky 4 after Apollo Creed dies. I do not know that he wins. You know Rocky wins in Russia.
Tim Allen
I, I did watch the whole thing. That's not true.
Big J Okerson
Damn, dude. This is the same smile he said he was gonna do at the end of the movie.
Tim Allen
Jesus, he's creepy looking.
Big J Okerson
What a fantastic racist body.
Christine
There it is.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, Come on, dude. That's how I would show my swastika. Hey, you guys don't mind my swastika, do you? Yeah, swastika boy. Swastika boy. Oh, they'll call me swastika. It'll be great. It'll be my rap name.
Robert Kelly
Lou, when you take your shirt off in the beach, you're gonna attract other hand job races.
Big J Okerson
I know. And you have to shoo them away. But then also when you're shooing them away, then the girls will be curious like, why is this guy with a swast? And then, by the way, make up a Story like, make up. Tell them your American history. X be like, I was actually involved in this shit when I was younger and then I got butt fucked by my own people in prison. They butt fucked me into. And then the hilarious comedy of Guy Tory was able to snap me.
Tim Allen
Maybe you could just tell him it's a Chinese star.
Big J Okerson
No, no, no, no, no, no. You can't make excuse.
Tim Allen
Listen, you have to tell him what it is.
Big J Okerson
You have to tell them what it is.
Tim Allen
You can't.
Big J Okerson
It's a swastika. It's a symbol from a German totalitarian government that was trying to eliminate the Jews. But I don't feel that way.
Kat Dennings
I just wanted this body on your defined peck.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Tim Allen
What about the. Do I have to get the Pam Anderson barbed wire tattoos? Nope, you don't.
Big J Okerson
To get any of the other tattoos, you don't have to be littered with them. You just have to have that gigantic full side of your chest swastika. And by the way, say what you will, it's a fantastic tattoo. In that. It's not. I have a lot of things that are filled in thick black that you. They start getting choppy. That thing is shiny. It was good. It's good. It's good color work. I don't know how else to say it.
Kat Dennings
I've said this before. White supremacists somehow have the best tattoos.
Tim Allen
They're all.
Kat Dennings
Swastikas.
Big J Okerson
But Jacob loves eagles and iron crosses, so.
Tim Allen
Really does.
Kat Dennings
But if you watch the prison show, I'm trying to remember the name of it. The white supremacist who's in maximum security. They can't even let him out for an hour because he'll kill somebody.
Tim Allen
They do get badass tattoos.
Kat Dennings
I don't know where he gets his tattoos from.
Tim Allen
They get them from the. The little gay guy who does the tattoos. Who they fuck?
Big J Okerson
Yeah, the twink.
Tim Allen
Yeah, little twink does them.
Big J Okerson
Jacob, did you ever answer this question your own head? Because by the way, I'll start the voting and I'm gonna say 100% yes. I take that body for that swastika.
Tim Allen
Jacob, this is tough.
Big J Okerson
It's a lifetime of explanation. But I'm a wordsmith, dude. I know how to yap. I'll talk my way out of this question.
Kat Dennings
Yes, I have to keep my height.
Big J Okerson
Ooh.
Tim Allen
Oh, God. Then don't take the tattoo.
Kat Dennings
No, that's the end. That's it. I'm saying no.
Big J Okerson
But that body.
Tim Allen
No, not with that height. That looks weird. Looks like a strong midget.
Kat Dennings
Does me no good. Do I get to be. I'll take 5, 10.
Tim Allen
5, 10. His height, 6ft.
Christine
Don't you get his body?
Tim Allen
Yeah, you get. You get his body.
Big J Okerson
Okay.
Tim Allen
Yeah, you get his body. You get six feet.
Kat Dennings
I'm six feet.
Tim Allen
Six feet, that body.
Big J Okerson
But you have to do a lot of topless things at your parents house.
Tim Allen
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
You're in Florida. This is gonna make Florida a real different experience for you, my man.
Tim Allen
You only get one shirt too. You can't wear like two shirts.
Big J Okerson
Yeah. So if you choose a lighter color, people might see if it starts to rain, they're gonna see your swastika. You'll be exposed. My thing would say, I say leave it. I say treat it like Megan's law. You go up to everybody and inform them I have a swastika tattoo. It was a deal I made with some kind of weird relic. I found that I would take this body if I kept a swastika. I got it. I don't regret any decisions I've made. I just want you to know I don't feel any kind of way about this. It's just the nature of what it has to be.
Tim Allen
You'd have to lose some height.
Big J Okerson
H you.
Tim Allen
How tall are you?
Big J Okerson
Six'three I'll take three inches. Knockoff to have an unreal body.
Tim Allen
So you take three inches off your height. Six feet. That body. Swastika.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Tim Allen
Okay.
Kat Dennings
I'm saying even if I'm a chubby and you Chubby. Six feet. I'm saying yes, as long as I can be 6ft. So the body really.
Tim Allen
So you take height, you take Ethan Supply's body with the.
Kat Dennings
No, I said chubby.
Tim Allen
Okay.
Kat Dennings
No, no, that's too much.
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Kat Dennings
But I mean, I want. No, no, no. Definitely yes.
Big J Okerson
Okay.
Kat Dennings
But you get to look like that. Yes, but you get.
Big J Okerson
How about you keep your. You keep your height. No, no. You keep your head with that level of body.
Kat Dennings
No. 5, 6. And I get to have that body. No, I have to be 6ft.
Big J Okerson
Black Lou.
Kat Dennings
It's worthless.
Big J Okerson
Now, keep in mind, you're black. So that swastika tattoo is gonna show up like thug life on the stomach. It's not gonna be that prominent. People gotta get up on you. That's what I was gonna ask. Can it be the same tattoo, the same color as my skin? No, it's gotta be the color of tattoo. But on your black skin, it's not gonna show through a ton like it's. You probably have the easiest path on this done. Absolutely. And also, you get to say things like you could do things like this too. Radio bit, you know, I mean, you're black, so no one's going to hold you over the fire for what this. They're going to be more like, were you branded in jail or something? You're like, no, no, no. My family's a part of an African tribe.
Kat Dennings
Are you staying your height or your.
Big J Okerson
No, I'm six foot. If. Oh, absolutely. No, no, no. This is all staying heights.
Kat Dennings
No way you're doing that.
Tim Allen
Well, you have to stay your height.
Big J Okerson
You got to stay your height.
Tim Allen
You can't get the six.
Big J Okerson
It's the body. I never thought about the height.
Tim Allen
The body is part of the height. Height.
Kat Dennings
Jay, the. You don't understand our lives. It's worthless to look like that at five. At five, six.
Big J Okerson
Big deal. Jacob, I'll hand you cereal boxes off the fridge. Just.
Robert Kelly
You can't sandwich your dream into this.
Kat Dennings
This is one genius thing.
Tim Allen
You got to give him the height. You got to give him the whole body.
Big J Okerson
DJ Lou, what do you think? Do you think they give him the height or not give him the body?
Tim Allen
The whole body.
Robert Kelly
That's two separate things.
Tim Allen
You get two separate wishes.
Big J Okerson
Thank you.
Kat Dennings
Then we're out.
Tim Allen
And they're.
Big J Okerson
Behalf of me and Jacob's. Not now. Black Lou's got a question. I don't know if it's ever been said, but how well hung is this guy? Because that really Edward Norton ever showed his hog.
Tim Allen
No.
Big J Okerson
Check if everyone's. I think he has. I feel like he has.
Christine
I bet somebody slept with him and talked maybe.
Tim Allen
Such a girl thing to say. I bet somebody talked about his.
Big J Okerson
I bet the guy's got a decent swinger on him.
Tim Allen
I've been on his Facebook hog fucking member group.
Big J Okerson
I feel like when he got. I think you see his flapper when he gets up from the chick in the movie.
Tim Allen
Yeah, but it's not. What's up?
Kat Dennings
No, no. I'm sorry. I didn't want to interrupt. I was curious. You have to stay your height. You're one of us.
Tim Allen
I get that body forever. Do I have to do. Do I have to do all the prison workouts that he does to keep it.
Big J Okerson
You're gifted this body forever payment.
Tim Allen
Yes.
Big J Okerson
Is not exercise or diet or any of that. The payment is simply, you have to live your life. You're the. That body is forever marred by this tattoo, and you have to show it.
Tim Allen
Sure.
Big J Okerson
Of course you want to show that body off, but now you got a swastik on it.
Tim Allen
New Hampshire. They'd fucking carry me on their shoulders.
Big J Okerson
God damn right.
Tim Allen
Do you be the governor beholding a squam like King Christine.
Big J Okerson
Any word on his dick or what?
Tim Allen
She's looking.
Kat Dennings
Looking Christine. Would you date a swastika guy if he looked like that?
Big J Okerson
She swastika guys.
Tim Allen
What are you talking about?
Kat Dennings
I forgot my Christine history for a second.
Tim Allen
That's simple.
Christine
Way more black dick than Nazi dick, I can tell you that.
Tim Allen
That symbol means a lot to her.
Christine
Did he show an ounce of interest in me?
Tim Allen
Holy.
Big J Okerson
He's like, well, you're white. Well, you are wide.
Christine
I guess I did tell me he did compliment my skin.
Big J Okerson
Your whiteness.
Tim Allen
She said, I'll ounce of interest. What about DJ Lou?
Robert Kelly
No. I'll never sleep with a Jewish or black or Spanish woman ever again.
Big J Okerson
Yes, you would.
Robert Kelly
It's exhausting. I'm not gonna explain that every time.
Big J Okerson
It's a very easy explanation for you. I was granted. I was granted a wish.
Tim Allen
Just called you a Smith.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, I call myself that.
Christine
He's just gonna become a Nazi. I'll just kill. Just lean into it.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, you will hook up with those things once you explain those changes.
Tim Allen
What do you have one now?
Big J Okerson
You know those things. Blacks, Jews, those things.
Robert Kelly
Those things are sexy to me, you know for sure.
Big J Okerson
But you're gonna still get them. It's nothing to do with it. You just got to explain your swastika. You know, how do they're so happy to be with that body if you.
Tim Allen
Take your shirt off and then all of a sudden they see that they're gonna be like, what the. And then you're like, let Me explain. They're gonna find that so interesting.
Big J Okerson
I don't know.
Robert Kelly
It's like having that body with herpes. No way.
Tim Allen
Interesting. Herpes.
Robert Kelly
It's. It's a. It's a. It's a.
Big J Okerson
You can't fuck a girl and give her fucking swastika.
Tim Allen
So it doesn't. It doesn't come off on her.
Robert Kelly
She sees it, you can have a rough time explaining it.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Tim Allen
But just here's the thing too. What if you do that and all of a sudden she's like, wanna see mine? And I'm like, oh, nice.
Big J Okerson
Damn.
Robert Kelly
You're joining a club.
Kat Dennings
A girl who would be into that must like crazy though.
Tim Allen
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Lou's gonna sit up. The grim reaper is paying you a visit today. That's Wayne Grow From Heat, my favorite movie.
Tim Allen
Is that your favorite movie? Yeah, it's a good movie.
Big J Okerson
So weird too, because I'm not a heist guy. It's not my type of thing. But the acting in that movie is so good.
Tim Allen
I'm a high school.
Big J Okerson
So dark. I know, I know. I'm surprised he's not higher up your list.
Tim Allen
It's because it was. I like Michael Mann, but he's a little bit. I like Miami Vice. Thought that was cool.
Big J Okerson
The movie?
Tim Allen
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
No, you did.
Tim Allen
No, the show.
Big J Okerson
Of course.
Tim Allen
Yeah. It was a little too. I don't know, Pacino took me out of it.
Big J Okerson
Really?
Tim Allen
A little bit.
Big J Okerson
One of the best. Yeah. I got a 16 year old prostitute dead on the thing. Sorry if the chicken got dried.
Tim Allen
Yeah. Weird.
Big J Okerson
He was weird. Yeah, but still good.
Tim Allen
See Val Kilmer's elbow in that? Remember that?
Big J Okerson
Yes.
Tim Allen
Gross.
Big J Okerson
What was it about?
Tim Allen
He had a injury on his elbow. He hurt his elbow and he had.
Big J Okerson
This big infection or something.
Tim Allen
Yeah, he had this big lump on his elbow the whole movie. And I was like. I couldn't stop looking at it. It was fucking me up. Like, stuff like that just fucks me up. Like Denzel's finger, Vince Vaughn's thumbs.
Big J Okerson
What's wrong with his thumbs?
Tim Allen
His thumbs. He's got no car accident. His thumbs are all fucking whacked out.
Big J Okerson
Ew, I hate that.
Tim Allen
Yeah, they're all smushed or something. If you ever see him in Interview, he's always hiding his thumbs.
Big J Okerson
Oh, yeah, Go ahead, Go ahead, Christine.
Christine
See it for a second.
Big J Okerson
Okay, good. Let me pay attention.
Kat Dennings
What are we looking at?
Big J Okerson
We're looking at Edward Norton getting raped in the shower by his own people.
Kat Dennings
Okay.
Big J Okerson
So much for having that tattoo on you.
Tim Allen
Right there. Right there, right there.
Big J Okerson
Oh, for sure. Dude, I'll take his pecker.
Tim Allen
I love that.
Big J Okerson
Why not? Look how far it was sticking out. He's turned 3/4. He's turned 3/4 degrees. Look at that.
Tim Allen
Yeah, that's great.
Big J Okerson
He's flopping forward. That's nice.
Kat Dennings
He edited this movie, you know. He was like, I look good in that shot.
Tim Allen
Right? Leave that there. Right?
Kat Dennings
Leave that shot in.
Tim Allen
Oh, go back. Had a nice little boing to it, too.
Kat Dennings
Yeah, little.
Big J Okerson
Little.
Tim Allen
You know what I mean? A little yucky boing.
Big J Okerson
But I'll tell you what, though. You can tell, though, without a doubt, he fluffed a little. It's a little stiff for what it.
Tim Allen
Is, but did he really have to fluff? He's in a. He's naked with another bun. Naked guy's taking a shower.
Big J Okerson
Well, he had to knock it around a little bit.
Tim Allen
I don't think he knocked it around.
Big J Okerson
I think he's just excited about what's going on.
Tim Allen
He just looked at the guy, and he's soaping his balls up next to him.
Big J Okerson
Everyone in this jail has a great body, by the way. It's a wonderful body. To prison.
Tim Allen
You never see too many fat guys in prison.
Big J Okerson
And then everyone leaves so he can get butt.
Tim Allen
Now he gets whacked right here. They all fuck him. Look at you. See it again?
Big J Okerson
No, just the main guy fucks him, but they give it to him pretty good. Go ahead, Christine. You could let us watch it. He deserves it for the tattoo. Okay, now, Bobby.
Tim Allen
Now that guy's dink. That's terrible.
Big J Okerson
Terrible. Bobby. Bobby.
Tim Allen
Yes, sir?
Big J Okerson
Do you take the body? You got to have the. Okay. Ready?
Tim Allen
Mm.
Big J Okerson
You have to have the arm. Racist tattoos. Small. They're all, like, small ones now. You can hide much easier, right? But you have to get. You get the body, but you have to get butt fucked by your own people. Would you take the butt fucking for that body and smaller racist tattoos?
Tim Allen
No.
Big J Okerson
Look at. He edited this to. Look at that guy. So happy about his butt.
Kat Dennings
Biggest smile I've heard.
Tim Allen
He's got a great ass.
Big J Okerson
He knew it was gonna happen. Happened too.
Tim Allen
Why? Ow. Ow. In the shower. It's so.
Big J Okerson
No. Much better, though.
Tim Allen
No, it's not.
Big J Okerson
No, you're wrong, buddy.
Tim Allen
You cannot have sex in water. It dries it out.
Christine
It dries out. What does it do to.
Tim Allen
Same thing.
Big J Okerson
I think they probably.
Tim Allen
That's my ass, baby.
Big J Okerson
I think they soaped him up.
Tim Allen
No, there was no soaping up, Bobby.
Big J Okerson
The way he got it in there, first pump like that. I mean.
Tim Allen
Yeah, that hurts.
Big J Okerson
No, no, no. For sure it hurts. I'm saying, like there was something in there that would hur his dick if he didn't put something on it.
Tim Allen
Yeah, I don't think he cares. I think he just.
Big J Okerson
You've never raped a guy in a shower, so why don't you shut up?
Tim Allen
That's not what I'm saying. First of all, how dare you say that, Bobby?
Big J Okerson
You've never raped someone. Stop giving your.
Tim Allen
Yeah, I was in Juvia.
Big J Okerson
You know what most likely to have raped or been raped in a shower is Bobby in this room.
Tim Allen
That hurt.
Christine
Why do his own people rape him? Is it just dominance?
Big J Okerson
Because he's. He's mad at them. Because he sees when he got in the jail that these guys are just like. They're prison Nazis. They're just guys who are like, we're not. They don't give a shit.
Tim Allen
Oh, he just dropped jizz on him. Do you see that?
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Kat Dennings
They don't believe in the swastika. They just have them.
Big J Okerson
They just have swastika tattoos.
Tim Allen
That did that. That hurt.
Big J Okerson
His asshole's bleeding. They had to stitch him up. Remember, he's laying on his belly when the principal comes in. The principal from Buck Rogers, I think.
Tim Allen
Yeah. The water doesn't lube it up.
Big J Okerson
No shampoo, stuff like that.
Tim Allen
They don't have shampoo. It's a prison.
Big J Okerson
Of course they have shampoo. You think they just water themselves down?
Tim Allen
A thing of, you know, Brett, he walked in, threw him against the wall and stuck it in Jay. There was no.
Big J Okerson
But that would hurt his dick.
Tim Allen
Yeah, it did. Watch the first scene. He went. Ah.
Big J Okerson
No, but that's because he felt weird. No, that's the throws of passion.
Tim Allen
That was the throws of passion. That was both, if anything.
Big J Okerson
Bobby, when's the last time you saw passion?
Tim Allen
That's true. I haven't seen in a few months.
Big J Okerson
Look at his face right here.
Tim Allen
Ready?
Big J Okerson
One shot.
Tim Allen
Watch this.
Big J Okerson
One shot. Look at this. He goes wham, boom. Now watch him.
Tim Allen
It's hurting him.
Big J Okerson
No, it's not. He loves it. He comes super fast.
Tim Allen
Wouldn't you look at that ass.
Kat Dennings
That's one of the perils of looking that good, I guess.
Tim Allen
Oh, look at the slow motion work. Water.
Big J Okerson
Well, if you recall about the downside of looking that good, you know, it's the funny of like the. The. The same guy doing different things for the same character or for different characters. If you recall the movie 25th Hour. What's the one Patrice was in? 25th Hour? Yeah, 25th Hour, the Spike Lee movie. Remember? He has his friends beat the out of him before he goes to jail. So he. Because he's too pretty, he's like, yeah, I look too good. He goes, I fuck me up. I can't go in there looking, like, gorgeous. So he hasn't beat him up. That is the peril of going with that body. You're right. If you get that body with that swastika, you find yourself in jail. And then you're telling them in jail, you're like, oh, no, I made a deal with a genie.
Tim Allen
I'd have to call you.
Big J Okerson
I made a deal with a genie. And so the swastika is not real. They're gonna go, so you're wearing a swastika if you don't believe in it? Yeah, it was just a deal to get the body. You're gonna get butt fucked.
Tim Allen
Gonna get buck. But that, at that point, who cares?
Big J Okerson
You're right. You already got the body.
Tim Allen
Yeah. I would be putting stuff in my ass every night to make it nice and wide. Yeah, yeah. I'd be. I'd be.
Big J Okerson
You're gonna train yourself.
Tim Allen
I would train my ass.
Big J Okerson
Anal training.
Tim Allen
As soon as they put it, it would go right in. They'd be like, what? He'd stop. He'd be like, what?
Big J Okerson
And you go. And then you do. And you look back at him and you do the thing where you make your. By the way, I just did it myself. I would Kegel, you make your tighten up around and you look back on. He goes.
Tim Allen
He would try to pull out. He'd be like, whoa, this is gay. And he'd be like, you're not going anywhere, fella.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Tim Allen
And I clinch on it.
Big J Okerson
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Big J Okerson
We'll be right back. I think to say goodbye.
Tim Allen
We're coming back.
Big J Okerson
We'll be right back. Yeah.
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Podcast Summary: "Hot Body/Evil Tattoo" on The Bonfire with Big Jay Oakerson and Robert Kelly
Podcast Information:
In the episode titled "Hot Body/Evil Tattoo," hosts Big Jay Oakerson and Robert Kelly, along with guest appearances by Tim Allen and Kat Dennings, delve into a range of topics spanning from pop culture and movies to provocative hypothetical scenarios involving tattoos and body transformations.
The conversation begins with a discussion about rappers transitioning into acting and the evolution of rap music. Big Jay reflects on an unnamed rapper's shift from rap to acting roles, particularly in the movie Breaking. He humorously critiques the cliche rap lines, saying:
Big J Okerson ([02:14]): "It's like the most basic, corny, like, you know, the ice is cold, the tea is hot. Come on, baby, baby, show me what you got."
Tim Allen expresses appreciation for these classic rap elements:
Tim Allen ([02:26]): "It's my favorite ever rap."
Big Jay extends the conversation to the evolution of rap, contrasting early artists like Run DMC and Public Enemy with later groups such as Onyx and Wu-Tang Clan, highlighting the complexity and depth that emerged over time.
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing alternate endings to the controversial film American History X. Big Jay shares his insights and critiques on the proposed alternate ending where Derek (played by Edward Norton) retains his swastika tattoo. He provides a detailed description of the scene:
Big J Okerson ([04:30] - [05:55]): "The camera pans to Derek in the bathroom, showing his swastika tattoo prominently as he smirks at the camera. This ending was intended to underscore the inescapable cycle of violence but, in Big Jay’s view, it introduces a darkly humorous twist that complicates the film's message."
Kat Dennings adds her perspective on the director's dissatisfaction with Edward Norton's influence on the film's editing:
Kat Dennings ([11:25] - [11:36]): "The director totally hates Edward Norton. He took over the editing, drastically reducing scenes focused on Edward Furlong’s character."
Big Jay further elaborates on the repercussions of such editing choices and the thematic implications of maintaining the swastika symbol within the narrative, questioning the cohesion and message of the film.
The hosts engage in a playful yet provocative hypothetical scenario where one must choose between maintaining a desirable body and having an "evil" swastika tattoo permanently visible. This segment explores the social and personal ramifications of such a decision.
Big Jay outlines the dilemma:
Big J Okerson ([12:00]): "You get a great body, but you have to live with a swastika tattoo forever. How do you handle the constant explanations and the social stigma attached?"
Kat Dennings humorously refuses the scenario:
Kat Dennings ([21:00]): "No, that's the end. That's it. I'm saying no."
Tim Allen participates by questioning the practicality of managing such a tattoo while maintaining one's height and body image:
Tim Allen ([12:24]): "Can I just wear shirts all the time? No, because that defeats the purpose of wanting the body."
The discussion takes a comedic turn as the hosts imagine various ways to cope with or justify the tattoo in social situations, including interactions at beaches, dating scenarios, and everyday encounters. They explore the absurdity and challenges of balancing physical appearance with the negative connotations of the tattoo.
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The segment concludes with playful banter about the feasibility of maintaining such a tattooed body and the social interactions it would entail, highlighting the comedic tension between desirability and stigmatization.
The hosts shift focus back to film critiques, discussing character portrayals in movies like Heat and Rocky 4. They specifically call out physical anomalies in actors’ appearances, such as Val Kilmer’s elbow and Denzel Washington’s finger, using them as humorous points of contention.
Big Jay criticizes the exaggerated physical features and their impact on the audience’s perception:
Big J Okerson ([32:03]): "I hate that. They’re all smushed or something. If you ever see him in an interview, he's always hiding his thumbs."
They playfully analyze scenes from American History X, particularly the portrayal of violence and the character’s satisfaction post-conflict, intertwining humor with critique.
The conversation touches upon the misuse and misunderstanding of symbols like the swastika, discussing their historical context versus contemporary interpretations. The hosts debate the impact of such symbols in media and personal expression, blending humor with thoughtful observations.
Big J Okerson ([35:17]): "They just have swastika tattoos. Do you think Jews see our swastikas? They’re not welcome, though."
Big J Okerson ([02:14]): "It's like the most basic, corny... Come on, baby, baby, show me what you got."
Tim Allen ([02:26]): "It's my favorite ever rap."
Big J Okerson ([04:30]): "The director was like, well, this is how the thing we can't ever get outside of this cycle of violence... But, like, it is so funny."
Kat Dennings ([11:25]): "The director totally hates Edward Norton."
Big J Okerson ([12:00]): "You get a great body, but you have to live with a swastika tattoo forever."
Kat Dennings ([21:00]): "No, that's the end. That's it. I'm saying no."
The episode "Hot Body/Evil Tattoo" blends sharp humor with incisive critiques of film and cultural symbols. Through engaging banter and hypothetical scenarios, Big Jay Oakerson and Robert Kelly explore the complexities of societal perceptions, personal identity, and the enduring impact of controversial symbols. The inclusion of Tim Allen and Kat Dennings adds a dynamic layer of commentary, making the conversation both entertaining and thought-provoking for listeners.
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