Na'im Has Stories

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Na'im Has Stories"

The Bonfire with Big Jay Oakerson & Robert Kelly
Date: June 26, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Bonfire dives into classic after-hours comedian conversation: wild stories from the road (including deeply unglamorous glimpses at bachelor parties, strip club culture, and encounters with sex workers), and a candid, deeply personal discussion on comedy careers, the meaning of "making it," and the unfiltered dynamics between Jay Oakerson, Robert Kelly, and their circle (with this episode's drama centered on fellow Philly comic Na'im). The second half is anchored around addressing beef stirred up by Na'im's recent comments on a podcast—mainly questioning Jay's loyalty to Kevin Hart and recasting old stories about their collective grind.

The theme is the comic’s journey—both in gritty detail and in reflections on loyalty, hustle, and the lines between business, friendship, and talking shit. It’s raw, hilarious, and occasionally poignant.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Strip Club & Bachelor Party Stories

[01:09–~08:30]

• Jay and Bobby get into a string of stories about being around the sex industry while coming up as comics in Philly and Jersey.

• Jay recounts driving hookers to bachelor parties—highlighting an especially surreal night, featuring a mix of women (a glamorous “gang bang girl,” a “Gumby haircut” girl, and a 60-year-old “old lady” keeping her purse close). The scene is depicted with dark humor and pathos.

  “And the old lady was just sitting out there, like, holding her purse in the living room, because someone's gonna steal it.” —Bobby Kelly (04:35)

• The aftermath includes a bizarre detour to Denny’s, where one of the women propositioned Jay and his friend after having spent the night entertaining 14-15 men at the party. The deteriorating state of the sex workers is discussed with bleak honesty and the comedians’ trademark crassness.

  “She went from being the hottest chick that I drove for, like, the first year that I did it at all, to that second year when I picked her up. Like, the guys were making fun of her.” —Jay Oakerson (10:11)

• Both hosts share their own encounters with older sex workers, massage parlors, and the seedy side of the profession, always blurring the lines between empathy, self-deprecation, and comic exaggeration.

  “When I was in Brazil…there was always this…she was definitely mid-40s, like, always hanging out… We just talked for like an hour, and then she's like, do you want to go? Me? $80. And I just went back there with her. She did like old lady stuff to me.” —Bobby Kelly (11:18)

• The segment ends with reflections on why some men seek sex in this way, how the “flim flam” of prostitution and bachelor parties worked before the era of ubiquitous smartphones, and just how close comics felt they came to “AIDS” during their young, reckless years.

2. The Intersection of Sex, Comedy, and Male Insecurity

[18:10–~29:00]

• The duo discuss how men act differently around strippers or sex workers in groups, often getting “weird” or performative. Both admit they’re unable to display overt sexuality in front of other men, poking fun at friends who go over-the-top in public.

  “I couldn’t show my sexuality in front of a room full of guys… it would never dawn on me…” —Jay Oakerson (28:15)

• There’s also a dig at the hierarchy and etiquette of male friendship—if you love someone, you roast them, and that’s what creates real bonds among comics.

3. Na’im’s “Beef” & the Kevin Hart Connection

[29:56–70:08]
(Main discussion of Na’im’s comments and what it means for the group)

Background: A video/podcast clip surfaced where Na’im alleged that Jay has a long-standing dislike for Kevin Hart (“still hates Kevin”), bringing up stories from their Philly days and suggesting Jay does things only for “the opportunity,” not out of loyalty.

Subpoints:

• Na’im’s Narrative:

  • Claims Jay didn’t want to keep hustling in the early days; that Jay resented/hates Kevin Hart; that Jay joined Hart’s roast just for the opportunity, not friendship; and fails to recognize what it means to be “successful” outside of being a celebrity.

• Jay & Bobby’s Response:

  • Both call out Na’im for speaking “out of school” and muddying facts with assumptions.

  • Jay explains he did the roast for both the career boost and for Kevin, but openly acknowledges the “opportunity” angle is part of any big gig.

    “They fucking asked me to do it. I was the first person booked... So he’s like ‘I think he did it more for the opportunity rather than to honor Kev.’ Well, yeah. I don’t know if I put it in my mind, I was like, I’m gonna go honor Kev. I mean, the event is honoring Kev.” —Jay Oakerson (57:29)

  • Jay and Bobby both strongly assert: making a living from your jokes is making it, no matter how big your name is.

    “If you’re telling jokes and you’re paying your bills with jokes, you fucking made it… It’s all relative.” —Bobby Kelly (38:48)

  • The old Philly/New York comedy mafia mentality is discussed: “We used to be like the mob”—you “never went outside the family” with grievances. Frustration at current comics who air drama publicly.

    “...Anytime a mic’s in front of him, just says that, that the audience isn’t supposed to know. You’re not supposed to know our fucking, our little differences or things that we work out because we always work them out.” —Bobby Kelly (37:52)

  • Jay walks through his actual history with Kevin: being friends, not bailing on him, and the reality that success took different forms for all of them.

  • After clarifying the timeline (Jay drove, hustled, struggled, etc.), Jay and Bobby emphasize how hard it is to move up in comedy—leaving home, scraping by, and enduring. The show becomes a mutual affirmation and a defense of their careers.

    “I remember you had nothing. You had nothing. And just to be at your house this weekend…with all this food and a pool and a Jacuzzi and two cars and to be able to just make this whole night on a Sunday night… I’m sitting around going, you made it, you did it, you’re doing it…” —Bobby Kelly (40:42)

• Resolution:

  • Jay texts Kevin Hart about the whole issue; Kevin responds that Na’im is “being an idiot” and that there’s no real animosity.

  • They joke about Kevin’s current life of luxury, but the conversation is heartfelt—stressing loyalty, history, and respect for friends’ different paths.

    “He flips the camera around. A 12-serving dining room table on the edge of a yacht looking out over a sea… I’m like, oh, well, this call must be costing you a fortune.” —Jay Oakerson (61:56)

  • Jay wraps the beef up graciously: he wishes Na’im well but won’t “give it legs” with further drama.

    “If you’re looking for a problem with me, I’m not giving it to you. But what it led to, which was great in its own regard, was when I texted Kev last night… he texted me…‘Naim’s being an idiot.’” —Jay Oakerson (60:34)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Sex Work’s Toll:

  “The lifespan of a whore is one year… They come in if the junk gets you and they just... like a butterfly’s life.”
  —Bobby Kelly (10:14)

• On the Difference Between Sex and Connection:

  “Do you take quality of sex over quality of looks at some point?... She was stamping me on a conveyor belt.”
  —Jay Oakerson (17:22–18:25)

• On Making It in Comedy:

  “When you pay everything with comedy and your jokes are paying your life... You made it. That other shit is another level of stuff. But it’s all relative.”
  —Bobby Kelly (38:47)

• On “Family Business” Among Comics:

  “We used to be like the mob. Like, if we had problems, we dealt with it. We never went outside of the family. And now it seems like every comic, anytime a mic’s in front of him just says that... You’re not supposed to know our fucking, our little differences or things that we work out because we always work them out.”
  —Bobby Kelly (37:51)

• On Success:

  “The fact that I can order Starbucks and not think about it, like, just… That’s a win. I know what you mean… I made it. I fucking made it.”
  —Bobby Kelly (54:48–55:05)

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Timeline of Important Segments (Timestamps in MM:SS, approximate)

• 01:09–14:00: Strip club MC fantasy; Jay’s “hooker driver” story; bachelor party nightmares
• 14:00–22:50: Old sex worker anecdotes, prostitution “flim flam,” Amsterdam red light clinicality, sex & sadness
• 22:51–29:00: Group male behavior, psychology of “showing off” in sexual settings
• 29:56–38:47: Na’im’s viral comments dissected—origins, why it stings, why Jay and Bobby object
• 38:48–56:50: Comedy “making it”—defining real success; the Philly/NYC comedy brotherhood; personal milestones
• 56:50–64:41: Jay’s connection to Kevin Hart, clarifying the historical record; what motivates comics to take gigs
• 64:42–70:08: On loyalty, growing apart professionally; Jay resolving things directly with Kevin; reflections on friendship and what the comedy community should be

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Tone & Style

The episode is an unfiltered, conversational blend of hilarious war stories, behind-the-curtain industry talk, and genuine personal reflection. Jay and Bobby’s rapport is equal parts ribbing, support, and “nobody-else-would-understand” comic shop talk. Even the most crude segments are laced with humanity and insight into the bonds and betrayals of working-class comedy life. The language is explicit, the humor is dark and self-aware, but the camaraderie and honesty are ever-present.

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For any Bonfire fan or anyone curious about what “making it” in comedy really looks like (from driving hookers to defending your reputation on podcasts), this episode is a masterclass in real talk: raucous, raw, and unexpectedly heartfelt.

Transcript

[Jay Okerson]

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[Bobby Kelly]

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[Bobby Kelly]

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[Jay Okerson]

And now the bonfire with Big J

[Bobby Kelly]

Okerson and Robert Kelly

[Jay Okerson]

slapping on your beat, man. Couch dance. Couch dance. Put me in that couch trance. The girls here at the fancy show bar, wet and wild. It's Texas style, but Jersey wild lap dance is half price for the next 30 minutes.

[Bobby Kelly]

You think he would have been a

[Jay Okerson]

Cheyenne to the main stage. Cheyenne to the main stage.

[Bobby Kelly]

Was that what you have done if comedy didn't work out?

[Jay Okerson]

It's my dream job, man. It was this muscular black dude who wore a tuxedo with no jacket and he was just jacked. And he was the strip club announcer.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Jay Okerson]

Sometimes I would skip right past the girls and look, I go, that guy's

[Bobby Kelly]

living is a cool job.

[Jay Okerson]

It can't be.

[Bobby Kelly]

It's gotta be. I mean, if you have a voice and you're at a club all night with naked chicks and they're probably your best friend.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah. That'll get old after a while. But I do feel like in some capacity there'll be trickle down pussy. Because I've never met a strip club DJ who wasn't like, oh yeah, no, you got laid all the time. And it was like, not that they're always like fantastic looking or whatever, you know? I mean.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Jay Okerson]

I mean, because the dj, he's there.

[Bobby Kelly]

I love it. I love trickle down pussy.

[Jay Okerson]

It was the same when eventually one of the girls I drove, the. The hookers I drove eventually like winged pussy at me. Actually two did one, but it was after she's been ran through by. And I mean this. 14 of 15 guys at the party. So I wasn't doing that. And then the other one I thought was gorgeous before. And then seeing her a year later, what drugs had done to her. And then she was like, so you want to hang out? And I was like,

[Bobby Kelly]

I love that you said 14 or 15. You just added the extra one maybe.

[Jay Okerson]

No, No, I said 14 of 15.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, I thought you said 14 or 15.

[Jay Okerson]

No, she was taking them two at a time. The only person who didn't go was the Bachelor. It was the actual Bachelor. It went in with, like. Instead of going in with the girl who was at least, like, passably attractive, he went in with the black girl who had a fucking Gumby haircut. She had a Bobby Brown. And he went in and fucked her. And that was. But the drive home, I tell you, of all things where you wish there was just voice memos or any of that stuff existed back then, the drive home from that gig, particularly with a little old lady who didn't do anything. One guy took her in the back, and I don't know what he did with her, but at one point, they were making jokes about having her clean. Cause they're paying her. And then a Gumby haircut, black. It was all replacement girls. It was an ice storm out going to Ocean City, New Jersey. So it was gonna be like an hour drive, and I had to go pick them up at their individual houses.

[Bobby Kelly]

It was like the Thursday night at a comedy club when the headline only does Friday and Saturday.

[Jay Okerson]

Yes, Yes. I was feature headlining.

[Bobby Kelly]

Hey, come see me on Sunday when I'm headlining again.

[Jay Okerson]

Feature headlining for sure. But I picked up an old lady and the Gumby haircut girl. And then the pretty girl drove herself out there. The pretty girl fucked 14 of the guys, two at a time. They'd go in the room with her, the black girl. That door. That door opening and seeing her getting fucked. I mean, it was by, like, a schlubby white dude. And it was just her, like, bent over, and she was, like, making all kinds of noises and shit. And then the old lady was just sitting out there, like, holding her purse

[Bobby Kelly]

in the living room because someone's gonna steal it.

[Jay Okerson]

No, she was just sitting there, didn't talk. She didn't talk on the way down or anything.

[Bobby Kelly]

Is she wearing pearls maybe?

[Jay Okerson]

I mean, she was wearing an old lady's outfit.

[Bobby Kelly]

She was wearing a blouse.

[Jay Okerson]

She was, without any exaggeration, at very least. 60. Yeah, she was 60 years old. I'd say maybe in her 50s. But she, she dressed like a fucking teacher. You know, she had like a below the knee skirt, nude stockings on, like just reasonable shoes.

[Bobby Kelly]

She's not even a whore though. Her husband died and his Social Security isn't paying the bills. So someone suggested this to her.

[Jay Okerson]

What's great was the little Gumby girl just came in like kind of ratty like clothes that she just kind of took off right away. The pretty girl went and put on like a cheerleader costume. And the old lady just sat on the couch holding her purse. And then one of the guys I always say this about some of these shows went bad. That this one, these guys were so cool. In my mind when I was driving them there, I go, I don't know what the third girl looks like yet. I was like, these guys gonna be pissed when they're having a bachelor party and they hire. These are clearly prostitutes and they're horrible looking. And. And then we got in there and they just kind of laughed at it. And then like they said when the guy came up, made me, I felt bad for laughing because I'm with her. And one of the guy goes like, one of, one of the guys comes out of double teaming the other one, the pretty one, he comes out, he goes over the couch, he goes, I don't mean clean up or something, we're paying you. That's kind of funny. And then eventually one guy came out, other thing, and he just goes, I'm going for it. And he just grabbed her by the hand. She just gets up and walks in the bedroom with him. And I was like, oh geez.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, she must know that she's getting paid. Nobody's gonna pick her.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

And if she does get picked, she

[Jay Okerson]

did one thing that night.

[Bobby Kelly]

It's one thing, probably a authoritic hand job.

[Jay Okerson]

But that said, she's probably only making whatever like, like where the other girl, the gang bang girl's probably bringing home

[Bobby Kelly]

two grand when the guy came out though. Because you never know, you know, she could be from the old west where she gives the best blowjob in the world.

[Jay Okerson]

I feel like if there was something like that, I would remember that from the story. The guy coming out being like she was awesome. I don't even know what they did. But the drive home was funny because she fell asleep. Yeah, no, it was the girl, the black girl in the back talking my little fucking like hatchback Honda Accord. She was in the back leaning forward. I remember we were going through a toll booth. We still had to like give the Money to the person. And she was in the middle of telling the story. She goes, I don't know what it is. He goes, but that white boy fucked the shit out this pussy. She was just like, you know, real ghetto, talking about getting fucked. He was like, blah, blah, blah. And it was just so humiliating. I'm like, hey, this is my mom's friend. So, you know, I don't know what to say. And we got back to the place, and the other pretty girl met there. And then she was like, do you guys. I brought my friend Little J with me. And she goes, you guys want to go get tea? No. Denny's, I think it was. We went to Denny's.

[Bobby Kelly]

With the old lady?

[Jay Okerson]

No, just me, Little J and the pretty girl.

[Bobby Kelly]

Where did you drop. Did you drop the old lady off?

[Jay Okerson]

We all went back to the office.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, you went. There was an office?

[Jay Okerson]

There was like, a hub. Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, okay. There's a hub.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

We thought if you had dropped her off at a old house, like the. Like the cartoon up.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

She just went on the.

[Jay Okerson]

Oh, it was. No, I picked her. I picked them up at their houses. And I also believe I did drop them off at their house. I think I went back to the office to give the money and whatever.

[Bobby Kelly]

Where did the old lady live? Like, what type of place?

[Jay Okerson]

Just, like, northeast Philadelphia. She's a row home.

[Bobby Kelly]

She lives in a row home?

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

By herself.

[Jay Okerson]

Everybody came out of a row. I had no idea.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, my God, it's so sad.

[Jay Okerson]

But the pretty girl, just to see.

[Bobby Kelly]

All right, bye, Helen. When I went, bye, did you have to help her up the stairs?

[Jay Okerson]

That was a weird night. We went back to the office and the prettier girl was there. Yeah, I guess. But I don't know, like, to square up or whatever, too. And I dropped the other two off. And I remember there, me and Jay and the girl. There was a girl at that point. It was run by a guy, but there was a girl in the office at that point. It's just a big, huge loft with TV going and a desk. And she was sitting at this desk, and she. As I'm giving her the stuff, she goes, do you want any coke? And she just starts doing coke. And I was like, oh, no, I'm okay. And then she goes, I fucking love coke. And then she stood up on the desk and started, like, monkey barring on, like, the pipes that were. You know, it was like a loft thing. And she. She was like, monkey barring. I was like, okay. She was like a little Pudgy, but, like, short, tiny thing, but she was like pudge. And she was just like monkey barring and, like, trying to get up on her knees and hang backwards. And I was like, okay. And then we split.

[Bobby Kelly]

What the old lady, did she just make like a cup of Sanka holding him at home? Oh, she's gone.

[Jay Okerson]

I dropped the other two girls off.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, I thought you all went back to the house.

[Jay Okerson]

No, I dropped. I said, I dropped them off at home because they weren't there. The office, I drove. I dropped.

[Bobby Kelly]

Did you talk to the old lady at all? It's so fast.

[Jay Okerson]

I don't remember any. I don't remember any conversation back and forth at all. Black chick talked a lot, but I didn't have him. But the pretty girl then suggested we go from the office. She goes, you guys want to go get some, like, food or something? So we went to a Denny's. And at the end of Denny's, she was like. So she goes, what are you guys doing now? You guys want to, like, essentially. Do you guys want to take a run at it? And it was just like. It hit me so hard. I was like, and be 15 and 16. Like, now we're pretty tired. I think we're going to hit the sack, drop you off. So I said no to that. And the other one was all. She went from being so pretty, like, grizzled out, that when she flung it at me, I was like, no, you're definitely on drugs. Like, that wouldn't have just happened from not taking care of yourself. Like, you were like, your asshole turned brown. I told you. She went from being the hottest chick that I drove for, like, the first year that I did it at all, to that second year when I picked her up. Like, the guys were making fun of her.

[Bobby Kelly]

I love the party.

[Jay Okerson]

The guys were, like, making fun of her. I go, why is there a hole?

[Bobby Kelly]

So I love that. That's a. Lifespan of a whore is one year.

[Jay Okerson]

They come in if the junk gets you and they just.

[Bobby Kelly]

They're just dead at the end of a year.

[Jay Okerson]

Like a butterfly's life.

[Bobby Kelly]

Unless you're the old lady, where you'll last longer if you just do one.

[Jay Okerson]

Just keep it mellow.

[Bobby Kelly]

Keep it mellow.

[Jay Okerson]

Party.

[Bobby Kelly]

Wear a blouse.

[Jay Okerson]

Take your slice. Don't be greedy. Take your slice.

[Bobby Kelly]

Hold your. Hold your purse the whole night. How old was the old lady, do you think?

[Jay Okerson]

I said at 60?

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, my God, I've been. You know, I've been with older prostitutes.

[Jay Okerson]

You know, you asked for them. Derosa too I've been with the older

[Bobby Kelly]

prostitute, and when I was in Brazil, I went with. There was, you know, smoking hot young girls, but there was always this, you know, I wouldn't say she was 60, but she was definitely mid-40s, like, always hanging out. And one day she. I was just out front having some rice and chicken at the little cafe out front, and she came over and sat down. We just started talking, and she's. We just talked for like an hour. And then she's like, do you want to go? Me?

[Jay Okerson]

$80.

[Bobby Kelly]

She's like, do you want to go? And I was like, yeah, why not? And we just went to the little hotel. I had two hotels, just the main hotel, and then I had another hotel behind it, which is shitty hotel for, like, you know, stuff.

[Jay Okerson]

And you got two rooms?

[Bobby Kelly]

I got two rooms. Jason Steinberg. No, Evan Steinberg had a room. We paid for the fancy hotel on the beach. Right behind us was a shittier hotel by the club. Not by the club, but kind of just behind our fancy hotel. And. And he was leaving, so he's like, you want this room? So I just took it. So I had two rooms. So instead of bringing people back to my room, I would just bring them to that room. It was a little safer, and I didn't have to worry about my getting rummaged through. And I just went back there with him. We. We sat down and talked, and she massaged me. She did, like, old lady stuff to me.

[Jay Okerson]

Can I draw you an Epsom salt? Sometimes we should get some sleep.

[Bobby Kelly]

No sleeps.

[Jay Okerson]

Very important time for body healing.

[Bobby Kelly]

Sometimes the old ladies do a little more.

[Jay Okerson]

Ew.

[Bobby Kelly]

Then.

[Jay Okerson]

Well, when I went and to that truck stop and got jacked off by that older lady, I didn't think it was particularly great because she was old. I felt like my dick hairs were getting caught in her turquoise rings.

[Bobby Kelly]

She had Indian turquoise rings.

[Jay Okerson]

She had. She had turquoise rings. Yeah. And I remember my dick hairs going,

[Bobby Kelly]

I told you that one lady actually read my fortune with stones, like before and then. And then after. It was a whole thing.

[Jay Okerson]

It was after your. Oh, you're good now.

[Bobby Kelly]

She actually helped me with. With my anxiety. She gave me, like. She goes this thing before I was leaving. She goes, I. I want you to have this stone. This is going to help with your anxiety. I was like, thank you. I wish I still had that little stone.

[Jay Okerson]

That would be your Ari story, what that goes. They had. They said, you're cursed, and then that prostitute sat on your wiener and sucked the curse out. And then she dies.

[Bobby Kelly]

I remember she took. She had a cream. She had some type of cream in a Tupperware container that she microwaved. And I don't know, it could have been mayonnaise. I don't know what it was, but she heated up like a homemade cream in the microwave.

[Jay Okerson]

To do what?

[Bobby Kelly]

At the end of the massage? To kind of rub you out and, you know, oil you up a little

[Jay Okerson]

bit with hot cream.

[Bobby Kelly]

It was warm cream. Yeah. And I don't.

[Jay Okerson]

What else is warm cream?

[Bobby Kelly]

I don't know. It was weird.

[Jay Okerson]

It was the jizz of her other clients, man.

[Bobby Kelly]

It really. It healed all my wounds. If she was hilarious, it actually. It actually.

[Jay Okerson]

Just like stem cells.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the original peptide.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah. But that's what she does. She collects the jizz of all of her clients and then microwaves it when a dummy comes in and goes, hey, you just want to massage. Okay. And then she just rubs the cum of all of her clients on you.

[Bobby Kelly]

My knee felt better.

[Jay Okerson]

Oh, dude, she did wonders for you. That was like cocoon. You want to. Don't want to leave oiled.

[Bobby Kelly]

No, she. What. What happens with the. When I was. I was really into massage back in LA at one point.

[Jay Okerson]

You weren't.

[Bobby Kelly]

I was.

[Jay Okerson]

You went to hand jobs and you took a massage.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, you know, you can look at it that way.

[Jay Okerson]

Yes, potato.

[Bobby Kelly]

The reason why I say I'm really into the massage pot because I didn't like to just go in and get jerked off.

[Jay Okerson]

Right.

[Bobby Kelly]

You know, I love a story, so

[Jay Okerson]

I. Bobby needs a narrative. Okay, listen, you're M. Butterfly and I'm a soldier.

[Bobby Kelly]

This lady was. She would, like I said, she would take you in. You would sit down in a robe and talk for a while and then she would ask you about your problems and then go over certain stones. She had all these stones.

[Jay Okerson]

Don't tell problems. You have unmasturbated penis.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, she was a white lady. She was a chubby white lady. And then she would give you this amazing hour and a half massage. And at the end, I guess. I guess it was jizz. It was a homemade cream that she microwaved.

[Jay Okerson]

Oh, she didn't whack you off at all.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, at the end when you rolled over, she wound up whacking you off.

[Jay Okerson]

This is the 40 year old prostitute. 40 something year old prostitute.

[Bobby Kelly]

This is the original one that I went with. Then I went with the old 60s 8 year old one, which kind of ruined it.

[Jay Okerson]

But we were in a room.

[Bobby Kelly]

This one was actually. And then at the end she took you in and showered you. She washed you like a Roman God. You just showered you and scrubbed you down and then dried you off, put you back in a robe and then you went back out to the stones.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

And then she would pick the stone that would help your. And then you'd be on your way.

[Jay Okerson]

How big was the stone? Do what with the stone?

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, the stone. Stones are supposed to help you pour

[Jay Okerson]

hot come on your back and get out.

[Bobby Kelly]

Wait, no.

[Jay Okerson]

You hot stones. Hot load. Oh, Take the stone to go.

[Bobby Kelly]

She would give you the stone. Yeah. You'd get the stone to carry around in your pocket.

[Jay Okerson]

You got a horse stone. Well, you could use the stone to scrape your shirt off your back later when all the come sticks your shirt to your back.

[Bobby Kelly]

I wish I kept that stone where it is.

[Jay Okerson]

You come your cum scraper.

[Bobby Kelly]

I would keep it in my pocket because I would. I was supposed to help me with my anxiety.

[Jay Okerson]

It didn't, though.

[Bobby Kelly]

I did book a couple gigs after that. It might have worked. My work.

[Jay Okerson]

Nope.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, women,

[Jay Okerson]

a lot of LA women love crystals. They believe in the power of crystals.

[Bobby Kelly]

It was one of those crystals. She was a crystal massage jerk off woman.

[Jay Okerson]

When I was in Amsterdam with Derosa, we were walking through the red light district, and I mean, I swear to you, as I was pointing at a lady behind a window and going like, look at this old fucking bitty. Not giving up on it with her gym teacher haircut. Oh, all right. Joe's in there. He likes an old broad. And now, I guess, a guy in a dress.

[Bobby Kelly]

That's what Patrice did. He went to like four different places and came out.

[Jay Okerson]

We're like.

[Bobby Kelly]

He's like, not that one. He just. He. Right before something would happen, he would stop and just go, I'm good, and leave. He did four in a row. And then he found some old Dutch broad.

[Jay Okerson]

Jesus.

[Bobby Kelly]

I remember we went away. We were across the canal. We're like, what are you doing? And he went in and you just. I think 15 minutes went by. And she came over and she had a sign in the window that said open. And then she just turned it closed like she shut down for the night. And then he came out and he was like, I did. That's the one. And that was the chick that he went for. It's like. It's weird.

[Jay Okerson]

I went in that same trip, but it riddles the question. Do you take quality of sex over quality of looks at some point? Because I went right next to Joe with a girl who I would say was one of the most stunning Chicks, I've. She was so, like, just a young, gorgeous chick, perfect body.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Jay Okerson]

Like thin, small titties. Kill her ass. Wearing some, like, garter belt thing. And I mean, she couldn't have fucked me more clinically.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Jay Okerson]

Like, I gave her the money and she was like. She was like, suck it for 30 seconds. And then, I mean, you were getting no other position other than, like, her face down, ass up, hands on a wall. Well, that's why I always back into you. I love and then talk shit until you come.

[Bobby Kelly]

I love a chick with a goofy face and a hot body. Because they're going to try a little. You know what I mean? It's a little. They're going to try better. It's going to be a better conversation. You go with a hot chick.

[Jay Okerson]

Dude, I was.

[Bobby Kelly]

And they know they're fudgeing hot. So it's like, dude, I was.

[Jay Okerson]

She was stamping me on a conveyor belt. She knew my way. She made me fucking finish in. I was in that place for under 10 minutes. All. All in, including even going like, so what's the deal here? You know, like, even that.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, I went into a hot chick and to get you in, they're kind of really nice and personable, but once I went in, she's like, okay, wash your penis in the sink. And I was like, me? Wash my penis?

[Jay Okerson]

Wash your penis.

[Bobby Kelly]

Wash your.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah, but it's like, you think my penis is dirty. Wash your penis, sir.

[Bobby Kelly]

I haven't anybody. You've been here all night in a window. Like, why shouldn't you be over here next to me?

[Jay Okerson]

What if you just kick? What if she just stepped on a trash can pedal? And when it opened up, you saw just like 15 douche in the bulbs. She goes, yeah, gone.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah. It was very, very clinical with the hot chicks. I remember I wound up going, well, when me and Keith first got there, we went to the local red light district. There's two. There's the tourist with all the hot chicks, and they're going with the tourists. We went to the local one and they were, I mean, frumps. Oh, my God, dude, it was terrible.

[Jay Okerson]

It's American girl, fat American girl named Denise.

[Bobby Kelly]

But we. We didn't know there was like, a chick with acne. I remember Keith went with a chick with acne. And. And we swore it off. Like, we were like, we're done.

[Jay Okerson]

The prostitution flim flam is a tried and true lifelong thing because you're preying on the idea that a guy's gonna be horny Enough and not psychotic enough that when you pull a flim flame and whatever shows up or whatever you're getting for the thing.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Jay Okerson]

That you don't kill them or fucking just freak out and like they're preying on the idea you're gonna get there and you're like, well, fuck, I want to fuck. So. Okay.

[Bobby Kelly]

But I mean, it's only. Back when I went, it was 50American dollars to go in and have sex with a woman. I was at the point where I was trying to go with women that. That look like girls I wanted to be with back in school. Like, I was trying to find girls that I've always wanted to be. I found a couple, dude. I found a couple that I was like, oh, that looks like that girl in my history class. And I. And I went in. The last one I went with was actually the best one. She was actually a school teacher, married, and she was like voluptuous. And we had. She didn't rush me. She took her time. It was the afternoon, but it was actually the last one was a good one. Yeah, I think Keith went into a tranny one because he went in and came right back out one night. He's like, God damn.

[Jay Okerson]

He finished that fast.

[Bobby Kelly]

I don't think.

[Jay Okerson]

God damn, that's my new thing. Oh, I remember well how, Lou, you said how. How clinical it was for you in Amsterdam. You. They made you bang on butcher paper that. That doctor roll of paper they pull out on the table.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jay Okerson]

What about as clinical as it gets. This thing had the tearaway paper.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, well, like the doctor roll paper. And she made you on that? Yes, she put the paper down. It was In Amsterdam about 10 years

[Jay Okerson]

ago, the parchment paper. And every time you. You know for sure, at least when you come or if you have any kind of contraction, your butt cheeks are going to make that paper crinkle and make all that noise.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yes, it did. It was broad daylight. She didn't dim the lights on all.

[Jay Okerson]

Oh, God.

[Bobby Kelly]

But I was so happy that I completed the act under all these adversities. It's such a weird thing that Amsterdam tolerates for brunch, tolerates sex. Like it's. It's just a. It's just a job that a girl can do and nobody's gonna really with her for it. Oh, when she was done, she said, welcome to Amsterdam.

[Jay Okerson]

Damn, that's eerie. Yeah, yeah, that's ominous. Hostel where they fucking kill you for money.

[Bobby Kelly]

I went to Amsterdam at Louis the last time, and I went to the red light district. And I had no tempt at all to go in.

[Jay Okerson]

What. What base are you covering there are using us for.

[Bobby Kelly]

I'm just saying that.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah, okay.

[Bobby Kelly]

I'm just saying that.

[Jay Okerson]

Getting it on record for some reason,

[Bobby Kelly]

I'm just getting it on record.

[Jay Okerson]

I would even ask that.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, I know. Just in case.

[Jay Okerson]

I went with Louie last time and we didn't even think about it. I just went to make sure that I was as great a person as I thought I was.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, because anytime I went to Amsterdam, that was like the first thing I wanted to do. And the last time I went to Amsterdam, I was there for three days and I didn't.

[Jay Okerson]

But it was still the first thing you wanted to do, but you didn't do it.

[Bobby Kelly]

I didn't do it.

[Jay Okerson]

That's the important part.

[Bobby Kelly]

It's because it's so. It's not a thing.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

In another. In that place, it's not a bad thing. So.

[Jay Okerson]

No, I mean, it's still morally. But when I used to drive, that was the funniest there were. Sometimes you just pick up a girl and you go, it's gonna be a problem. Like, you just pick her up and you go, like, I'm gonna deliver this girl. And the guy's gonna be like, what? Then when that happens. That sucked. I told you guys a story before about I brought some goth girl to some, like, really nice neighborhood kind of thing. It was an apartment building, I guess, but it was not. It seemed nice, you know what I mean? And I was like, this isn't what this guy is expecting. And of course, she fucking waddles back to me two minutes after going to the door and being like. He said he's not. Doesn't. What? He didn't call or that he didn't. Whatever. He's just trying to say now it wasn't him. And so he can, like, get out of it.

[Bobby Kelly]

Right?

[Jay Okerson]

And then I was like, I kind of have to go get my money. Like, there's. No matter what, he has to give, like the 50 some bucks that would have been mine, right? So I was like. So I went up to the thing and knocked, and she like, follows me over there. And I knocked on the door and the guy answered and he was like. And he was nervous, you know, I mean, And I was like. I was like, I just gotta, like, you gotta give the money. That's like. For me bringing her, you know? I mean, like, the. The thing is, like, you still pay that. That's like. They tell you that or whatever, you know, and it's in the small print.

[Bobby Kelly]

So did you pull out the small print?

[Jay Okerson]

No, no, no. He was just like. I don't know if he agreed. I don't remember if he agreed or not. Whatever it was, I was ready just be like, there it is. What it is. And she was just like, oh, no. Hell. And she started unplugging his VCR and like, fucking. I was like, stop, stop, please. She was like, no, hell no. I'm taking something. This fucking fat goth chick walking around. And he. By the way, he would have let her take the vcr. He just wanted this out of his house. He didn't even fuck her. And he's. Now he's dealing with all of it. And I said, that's the. I got off easy.

[Bobby Kelly]

So you. You had to just pick what they sent. You couldn't pick from a. Like, photos or something.

[Jay Okerson]

I'm sure you do. Or they. I'm sure over. This is also back at a time where it's not like this wasn't on the Internet. So you'd call like, the place and they'd probably be like, or maybe it was a ma. You know, a newspaper or something, you know, like a Philadelphia Weekly type thing. I don't know. But it was like. It was probably more that they would call and goes, oh, we have a stunning redhead who's blah, blah, blah, and so fresh and fun and. But it's just like some fat chick who works at fucking Rite Aid and has three half black kids. Stunning redhead. You can go there. And she's not. Not stunning, even sort of riddled with stretch marks and. And you're like, oh, my God, dude. I'm like, I know this isn't what they said. I know the intelligence guy goes, we're gonna send our sloppiest girl in sweatpants over.

[Bobby Kelly]

It's. So I've been to a couple of those bachelor party things, but it always felt to me it was just too rapey. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it was too. I. I was like, dude, get in there. I'm like, no, I don't want to. I don't wanna. I still. I can still pick up a girl. Like, I can still bang a chick. Or if I'm gonna do a prostitute, it would, like, be some. You know, I wanna. I wanted to pretend that it. She's into me a little bit.

[Jay Okerson]

But even that I would know. It just. I'm too sensitive to that. So it's actually surprising how many, like, ties. It's not a ton, but I mean, like, even like, the handful of prostitute stories I have doing it. I used to drive them all the time. But, like, actually doing it is, like, I didn't feel bad when I was doing it and I didn't have. It's not Isabella. It wasn't Isabella or anything like that. I don't think it was just some point. I just had a shift in, like, morals. Just. I'm like. It's just so, like. It's like to pay someone, let you do something. It's like, it should be something. By the way, I'm. I get, like, not emotional, like sex. Like, functional sex and having fun. But it should be, like, fun for both people. That's more what it is. Is what it is, you know? I mean, it's like she's letting me have fun with her so I could, you know, for money. And I'm like, no, I'd want her. That's what I'm saying. I'd be out there. I would have had AIDS if I kept fucking prostitutes. Because I would have just been the guy known for eating hooker pussy constantly, you know, close, because he never fucked me. He just would eat my pussy for, like, an hour.

[Bobby Kelly]

You know how close we came to aids, though? I would love to. I would love to have a thing where you could test how close you got to aids.

[Jay Okerson]

Your wiener. Thank God, our wiener. I heard AIDS starts at 8 inches in. So I was, all right. That was no problemos. Yeah, yeah. It's such a CD wor. And then also doing the SDR show and, like, those. Every girl that left was like, hey, Hugh dropped me off to this guy. I'm gonna blowbang all of his friends for three grand or whatever.

[Bobby Kelly]

Like, okay, do people. So. I mean, I don't even know. I'm so out of the world. People still do these higher prostitutes for bachelor parties, and they just go in and bang everybody. Is that still.

[Jay Okerson]

I don't know. I don't know if it's still. I mean, I haven't done it because

[Bobby Kelly]

back then it was like there was. Nobody had a full, you know, 4K. I couldn't imagine video camera on their phone.

[Jay Okerson]

I couldn't imagine a. A room of guy. Especially if it's like 15, 30 guys and, you know, bachelor parties, it's not always everyone knows each other, you know, I mean, sort of like some people are meeting, like, that day or acquaintances because they're friends of friends. And you get into something like that, and it's like, yeah, everyone's got phones and, like, who's gonna do that? Like, you wouldn't trust that.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, you always see. You always see the guys personally think you knew. Or his personality come out when some naked girl gets in the room and they turn into this weird sex thing.

[Jay Okerson]

And it's like, I can't. I never understand that. I can't. I couldn't show my sexuality in front of a room full of guys. Like, they're not there.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Jay Okerson]

Like, you would never see me in a strip club with another girl going, oh, that's a nice.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, I couldn't either.

[Jay Okerson]

Like, I just would never. It would never even dawn on me to do that. He goes. That's a goes. Man, those tits, man. I'd like to suck on those tits. Yeah, don't say that. I have a friend that does that.

[Bobby Kelly]

But he'll. If a girl.

[Jay Okerson]

Hot girl walks by, I'll go, it's just completely visual. Look, he do something. He follows gaze. Yeah. And there's a. Oh, Louis Lewis. Lewis is a. Every girl.

[Bobby Kelly]

Hey.

[Jay Okerson]

He just does like. He does almost like the 80s movie turnaround, where he turns around and goes, oh, hey, you must be new. I mean, literally walking down the steps of the. The comedy mothership, just like the staff girls are just going, oh, I told you. That's how I was able to escape the. The bar they all go to afterwards.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, Mitzi's.

[Jay Okerson]

No, no, they go to some other place. I forget what it's called.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, I know what you're talking about.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah, it's like a name where they all hang out.

[Bobby Kelly]

They have the back room.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that place. Until I was able to escape it. The guy, the. The billionaire who owns the place came over with like two just girls in party dresses. And he was like, guys, these are so and so and so and so. And then I was like, hi. I shook both their hands. I'm like, it's nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. And then Lewis was like, oh, hey, so you got. And I was like, perfect, he's distracted. And I just left. I left, walked right out. And then I filmed my exit. Famously filmed my exit.

[Bobby Kelly]

We. We had this. And everybody's talking about that fucking what's his name. Made a video, was on a podcast, kind of throwing you under the bus today.

[Jay Okerson]

Oh, Naim. Yeah. Well, it's interesting what that brought on. Funny enough. I saw this last night. You could play it. You want to play it? Christine? Yeah. Do you have it? Yes.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, it's. I mean, so many people. So many people had sent it to me today. I mean, yeah, it was ridiculous. I thought it was actually gonna be something nice. I when I turned it on my guy, he's gonna say some. I'm like, this is nice. It's gonna be.

[Jay Okerson]

Well, Dice I've keep saying. I mean like Naim wrote his own jokes too. Yeah, complete. And it was cool to kind of throw me and him like the nod of doing it.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, if there was any two guys on that roast that belong there, that actually did it from the heart, it was you two. And did. And did great. Yeah.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

I thought the best. Yeah.

[Jay Okerson]

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[Jay Okerson]

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[Bobby Kelly]

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[Jay Okerson]

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[Bobby Kelly]

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[Jay Okerson]

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[Bobby Kelly]

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[Jay Okerson]

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[Bobby Kelly]

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[Jay Okerson]

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[Bobby Kelly]

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[Jay Okerson]

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[Bobby Kelly]

He hates Kevin.

[Jay Okerson]

He hates a. He won't say it. He hates him.

[Bobby Kelly]

I know he hates him. Why does he hate.

[Jay Okerson]

He's always hated him. Oh, he's always hated.

[Bobby Kelly]

He's always hated Kev.

[Jay Okerson]

Back to Philly. He didn't like him. He's always hated Kev. He's the. They both. Keith Robson was their mentor and Keith got them when they were early in the game, said, come to New York. And Kev kept going.

[Bobby Kelly]

And Jay was like, I'm not going

[Jay Okerson]

up there to sit around and not.

[Bobby Kelly]

And not get on stage.

[Jay Okerson]

You know, it's. Especially if it's your only job, it starts to become expensive. You know, you got to get paid a train or the toll if you drive and all of that. And when Kev started to succeed, he was just like, talking about him.

[Bobby Kelly]

Not even funny, just short and black.

[Jay Okerson]

You know, you say like that

[Bobby Kelly]

he hate him.

[Jay Okerson]

So now, you know, for him to have to. Well, for Kev obviously still, like, he put him on the stage.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, Kev does.

[Jay Okerson]

He's just a different type of dude, man. I love that he looks. He's always trying to provide an opportunity. You know, Big J does have his own following and he's doing great, but I don't think. I think that Big J did it for the opportunity itself, not to honor Kevin. So I. I just know that I. I know what I witnessed early in

[Bobby Kelly]

the game and he could have changed. He may feel differently now, but his energy did not say so. Use promo.

[Jay Okerson]

I was going to. Your tell to everyone is unbelievable. Yeah. Your body language always gives up the rage you have inside. Yeah. Yeah. I'm DL's producer and now this guy. I was. I was gonna come back at this pretty, like, aggressively. Ultimately, I was pissed, but I think I know. But I had to calm you down

[Bobby Kelly]

on the phone earlier, I was, I was, I was very, I was, I was very mad at it. Number one, I thought I was going to have orange juice. It was milk and, and then the, it's like I'm mad at it for. First of all, I'm so sad that, you know, comics, we used to be like the mob. Like, if we had problems, we dealt with it. We never went outside of the family. And now it seems like every comic, anytime a mic's in front of him just says that, that the audience isn't supposed to know. You're not supposed to know our fucking, our little differences or things that we work out because we always work them out. And to, to go on a show like this and, and to say things that you think, not things you know.

[Jay Okerson]

Well, no, he does say, he does say he knows things, which is. Was crazy. But he said basically it is things he thinks.

[Bobby Kelly]

These are things he thinks this isn't shit. He knows.

[Jay Okerson]

Right.

[Bobby Kelly]

And also the fact that he brings up career, it always bothers me because people say, because little. How successful Little Kev is, you don't understand that there's that success where you're making that much money, but you've been successful and you've made it. Years ago, you brought up a child, you have a house, you pay your bills. You do, you have two cars with stand up comedy and that's it. You don't. You. When you, when you pay everything with comedy and your jokes are paying your, Your life, it's crazy. And also paying for other people's lives. You made it. I don't. They, they have like people who send it, have this thing. It's like either you become this. Either you're, you're up there with Shane and Kevin and. Or you didn't make it. It's like if you're, if you're, if you're telling jokes and you're paying your bills with jokes, you fucking made it. That other shit is another level of stuff. But it's all relative to me. It's all fucking relative. And to say, to compare you, like in your brain, you're. Because I look at, man, I know you. I came up with you. You, you had a shit car, no money, and you were doing stand up but coming in from Philadelphia every fucking night. And I remember you had nothing. You had nothing. You had nothing. And just to be at your house this weekend outside watching a fight with all this food and a pool and a Jacuzzi and two cars and to be able to Just make this whole night on a Sunday night, and it's this beautiful thing, and I'm looking around going, this fucking kid, man. I'm so. I was happy. Like, I'm sitting around going, you made it. You did it. You're doing it. And from where you. When I. When you used to drive me around, it's like, this. This is.

[Jay Okerson]

Fuck.

[Bobby Kelly]

This made me annoyed that he would compare that. You ever, ever, out of any of the comics, you've never looked at anybody on a level. You've always treated people how they treated you. If they were cool, you like them if they didn't. But also, the. The thing that we say about Kevin. You know why we say that about Kevin? You know what? We talk shit about Kevin because we love Kevin. We fuck with Kevin and we say shit because we came up with Kevin. And that's what comics do. We fucking make fun of each other.

[Jay Okerson]

Sure.

[Bobby Kelly]

And we're supposed to be trying to be funny at all times.

[Jay Okerson]

That's what I was saying. When he comes to that thing, he's like. He's like. Well, he was like, short, black, whatever. But he's like. He goes, not funny. He's not funny. He's just short and black. I go, I've never said that. And that's the interesting thing about, like. So going through what he said. My first reaction was I just saw it right away, and I just clipped it. All I would worry about is, that's something that trickled to Naim from Kevin. So I messaged Kev last night that video, and I was like, hey, man, this is, like, a bummer. I'm like, I don't. I go, I would hope that this isn't the way you feel at all about.

[Bobby Kelly]

I hope you wrote you are short and unfunny.

[Jay Okerson]

I go, I mean, facts are facts, dawg. But no, I was like, thank. I was like. I was like, yeah. I go, this sucks. I go. I go. And then I wrote. I was like. I was like, actually, all the backlash of all of it kind of sucks. I go, man, I really thought it was such a fun experience that night. Such a crazy experience. And I'm like, the stuff's coming back. And then he. This morning, he wrote back and was like, I mean, really? I mean, I don't think I'm overstepping to even say. He was just like, I don't know. He's being an idiot. I don't know what it is. Like, he's like, I don't know what that's about or something. He goes, I've heard you all these years talk about our relationship. Never, like, negatively at all.

[Bobby Kelly]

No.

[Jay Okerson]

I'm like, good. And that. That kind of, like, sealed it up for me. It goes on for that. But to go with the video itself, of the things that were said, it's interesting because, like, he's got, like, elements in there that are, like, just there almost. You know what I mean? Like, but he's not telling the whole thing. So I thought it was interesting when he goes, jay didn't want to keep going up and said, like. And by the way, I think I. My story has been a story, according to Kev years ago, that he kind of, like, would pound into Naim if Naim was getting lazy. He'd be like, man, Jay used to ba, ba, ba. You know what I mean? He's like, told me, like, that same kind of thing.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, you said it to me that you used to not want to go in, and they forced you to do it.

[Jay Okerson]

So what he's talking about, he goes, he said, I didn't want to go in. And he's right, because it was expensive. And it was that. And it was just like, I had a girlfriend, you know, we were going up there. It was fun when we got up there. But I'm like, I'm making zero money. I'm relying on other people for food half the time. And, like, you know, I'm driving because they're paying. Kevin. Keith would pay for gas and tolls of whoever drove. The other people paid for everything. So I would drive all the time, and I'd be driving them tired. It was a lot. So a lot of times I was just like, sixers are playing that. I mean, I just want to sit home, watch Sixers games him. And eventually, what he's talking about is Keith told Kev, like, I'm gonna stop pushing Jay. I'm gonna stop trying. Not helping at all. But he's like, I'm just not gonna, like, be. Because he's done it a thousand times, Keith, for a thousand people who stopped coming. And he's like, all right. So he was like, he's gonna kind of bail on giving a shit too much about it. And Kev called me to be like, hey, Keith's saying he's gonna be like, he's not gonna start. He's not gonna keep calling you to, like, trying to get you to come up if you're not gonna do it. So he's gonna bail. And then I said. I was like, oh. He's like, so you gotta Start coming up, man. I told him like, I told him not to give up on you and I'm gonna call you. And it was kind of a cool story. And it got me. Then I started going, I said, and I know that story so well because it was such a domino effect. Right after that, I talked to my ex girlfriend and I was like, hey, she's my girlfriend at the time. And I was like, hey, I gotta start going to New York like five, six days a week with these guys. I'm gonna be going a lot. Like pretty much right when you get home, I'm already gone. And we'll see each other like one day a week. We could hang out maybe.

[Bobby Kelly]

You know, there's a watershed moment that we all have in our careers where something happens where you have. You make the choice.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah, I'm put my nose down and grind, right? We're going to come up six days a week and do it. Which I did end up doing.

[Bobby Kelly]

Like when Patrice and Billy and Dane all moved to New York, I was back waiting tables alone, right? And then I got a phone call from Matt Frost. Was like, hey, I saw your acting reel. If you ever moved to New York, I'd like to rep you. I quit my job and in a month I was living in Billy Burr's apartment and I was. Let me tell you something. You don't know how terrifying it is to come to New York City as a stand up comedian because you're coming from your hometown where your family, your friends.

[Jay Okerson]

I also came right from like my mom's house.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, you feel like, you feel comfortable. I mean, it's comfortability. When you go to New York City, the feeling of the weight on your shoulders. Just going into a club and walking around the city, get. Taking the train up, finding a parking spot is fucking overwhelming. It's daunting. So to get over that hump and to do it is a. An astronomical feat. And that's why, like, guys like you and me, like you came after us to see you guys coming into the club. You had to. Keith was right.

[Jay Okerson]

And you guys also watched Keith bring. Try to do this for. I don't even name names. It's funny. Guys got nothing to do with that. It's just that he would try to get him and they were like, I'm happier being big fish, small pond, I'm okay. Or, you know, I'm this way.

[Bobby Kelly]

Patrice lived with Al Delbene, who was, you know, me, Al and Dane and Billy, we all came together. Al Delbene lived in Patrice With Patrice and Will.

[Jay Okerson]

Yep.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, yeah. Patrice would go in his room every morning and open the door and go, al, yo, bro, you should quit. You don't got it. And he'd be like, haha. And he'd be like, I know you're laughing. I'm dead serious. You don't have what it takes to do comedy because you never go in the city and you.

[Jay Okerson]

You just show at home.

[Bobby Kelly]

And. And he's. Every morning he would go in his room. I was there a bunch of times where he'd just like, no, seriously, Al. He like. It was this thing like, hey, Al, what's up, bro? I'm making eggs. You should quit the business, bro. You don't got it. And I would laugh and you'd be like, I'm dead serious. You know, because it's. It. There is a point where it's like, you have either you're gonna go in every fucking night. People don't realize it.

[Jay Okerson]

I was a good example that I was a very funny guy. I remember Al being around when I first came up here. He was around a little bit and then just wasn't. Yeah, at one point. And then you're like, oh, it's one of those guys. You're like, oh, yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, here's the thing. He moved to Australia and found his thing.

[Jay Okerson]

He's like, audience.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, he found his audience. He's in Australia. Her family's in Australia.

[Jay Okerson]

Oh, he's married, so yeah, he has kids.

[Bobby Kelly]

He's out there. But he found his thing and he's killing it.

[Jay Okerson]

Funny guy.

[Bobby Kelly]

Funny fucking guy. But you can be. You can be the funniest guy in the room. But if you don't go. If you don't have that moment where you go in and pay your dues, at least it was back in the day. I mean, now you do a TikTok and you're selling out a fucking arenas. But back in the day, you had to show up every night and it sucked. You didn't get on or you got a late spot, you had no money, you didn't eat. I mean, I remember being on the bus, having $50 to my name, taking a crosstown bus to go do a spot for nothing.

[Jay Okerson]

I said, I remember like finding $20 in a deli once just like in front of the cash register, like, fell out of someone's wallet in like the candy bins right there. And I was like, I found it. And I was like, I mean, I called people. I was like, I mean, everything's turned around for me, guys. I just found $20, dude.

[Bobby Kelly]

One night when I was going back to the Cellar, I used to take the 6 train down to Astor and I walked by this deli that had chocolate pretzels in the window. And I always walk by, but I didn't have enough money to buy them. So one night I had a token and I had $2 and I went and did a spot at the Boston and it was a great night. I had a great spot and on my way back I went and I bought myself the chocolate pretzel. And I'm eating the pretzel and then I got to Astor Place and it. I didn't have a token. I. That was my $2 for my token. I had to walk to 97th street

[Jay Okerson]

from Astor Place with a melting hot

[Bobby Kelly]

chocolate pretzel at 2:30 in the morning. I had to walk a hundred blocks. I didn't. I. It was like I. But. But there was no. I couldn't call anybody. There was no. I had no. That was my last Venmo.

[Jay Okerson]

Me.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah. There was no. There was no options. It just said walk home, stupid. The we did and the you did. And the fact that. And I know when I know how you feel about little Kevin because you don't want to do the roast. You don't like roasts.

[Jay Okerson]

It wasn't like, works is daunting as

[Bobby Kelly]

hell and you did it because you love Kev.

[Jay Okerson]

Well, for sure. So I kind of want to address the things like almost in order of what he said. So that was the interesting thing about the wanting to quit. Now what I do find interesting about that with Naim and I always. I want to start with this. Not that I'm going to say bad things, but I want to say like, Naim, I thought Naeem was really funny when he started. He was cool looking as shit. He was a temple student and he didn't have short hair like that. He used to have like the thin like Little Wayne kind of braids, good looking kid. And I thought he was very funny. He'd stopped doing comedy at one point. Like when he's like, Kev like resurrected him to do to become like one of his boys, you know, like, because he was his friend and Kev looked out for him. But like. So when he was like, when Kev left, whatever. I'm not sure if Naim was like around me when Kevin, like when Kev left, we were already going to New York for like two years. Like driving up and back for like a. At least a year. Two years before Kev kind of went to LA because he got the Judd Apatow pilot.

[Bobby Kelly]

Is he part of the Plastic Cup Boys?

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

Which is. Can you just explain what that is?

[Jay Okerson]

It's Kev's, like, friends that kind of like that. That's, I guess, rotating crew. Guys that, like, have opened for him

[Bobby Kelly]

and do they help. They help him write stuff?

[Jay Okerson]

I'm sure they help him write any kind of. Yes, I think they're all involved. Probably helping Kev. Right. A little bit.

[Bobby Kelly]

Right.

[Jay Okerson]

So just.

[Bobby Kelly]

Just for reference, that you. You came up with Kev. You. You, Keith and Kev came up together, but you went off to make your own thing and become your own guy.

[Jay Okerson]

Right? Well, listen, it was. It wasn't that Kev also was like, hey, come with me. You know, I mean, would you have

[Bobby Kelly]

been a Plastic Cupboy?

[Jay Okerson]

No. Well, I mean, you know, probably at a point, I would have agreed to be anything that would give me some money, for sure. Yes, absolutely. But one thing I realized very quickly in the thing was that, like, Kev, I'm not saying he does this with. Because I got Spank. I fucking love Spank and Naim, I have no. I have no problem.

[Bobby Kelly]

It's great that he took care of all his friends.

[Jay Okerson]

Absolutely. But Spank's fucking hilarious. Naim's very funny. They're both funny guys. And, I don't know, Joey Wells and. And there's a couple other guys I think he's had in there before, too. Like his. This guy that's like the writer guy, too. Kevin something, I think, also. But no, they're all talented guys. Got nothing to do with that. Would I. Yeah, probably. But I don't know if I would have. Like, I didn't really. Me and Kev's comedy didn't really blend well. Like, overlapping when I would open for him, like, early in Black Circuit stuff, even. It just wasn't hitting the same. It wasn't in the same notes. I was always too dirty.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, you didn't bring your T shirt.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah, I also didn't bring. I didn't let people know that I thought they rule. No, but it was more that. You already laughed now. It was more about just, like I said, he just different. Not that he was drawing a different audience than me. We were just different energies. And I was too dirty. You know what I mean? Really? Kev wasn't really that all that dirty. So, like. Yeah, and we kind of had our different styles and went, like, different paths in that regard. But he left for LA when we were like, that's. He Left for la, like in the height of our closeness, like, you know what I mean? Like, he was talking to me about moving. When he first moved to LA and was writing the big house show, he would call me and tell me about what he was writing with me. Ian J. A knife Like a fucking ass.

[Bobby Kelly]

Edwards.

[Jay Okerson]

Edwards, Ian Edwards.

[Bobby Kelly]

Love Ian.

[Jay Okerson]

Great, great writer. And so he was working with Ian, which I know he's excited about. And he was telling me about stuff. So that's what I'm saying. Like that. That's a. Like a real miscommunication somewhere within that he left and I was mad about. Now, if you're saying I busted Kev's balls or made fun of him over the years, like, of course.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, dude, we all have. I told you. Little Kev saw me in an Airport at 6 in the morning. I kicked his Louis Vuitton luggage over, and I'm pretty sure I told one of those plastic cupboys to go pick it up. You know what I mean? But I love little Kev.

[Jay Okerson]

I think Christine could tell you from many years ago at this point, do you remember what it was? We were walking through Times Square and it was the first time, I think Kev was a voice of something as a major voice of a cartoon. And it was like so and so and Kevin Hart. And it was like the two cartoon characters thing. And I remember saying out loud, I was like, damn, go get him, Kev. I'm like, holy shit. Do you remember that the Rock and Kevin Hart was like, Secret Life of maybe. But whoever it was, I just saw him on a DreamWorks thing. It's like, Kevin Hart in the. And I'm like, Jesus Christ. Wow. Like, what he's ascended to is nuts.

[Bobby Kelly]

It's nuts.

[Jay Okerson]

So to. Even so.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, you also have watched movies and been like, damn, usually funny in these movies.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah. I've also said, Kevin, Yeah, I think Kev's funny. So that's. He's not funny. He's black and short. Now what I again, like, to the credit, I go, what was interesting was I always tell the story. When we first got to New York, they opened the door for Kev kind of quick. And me and Kurt, they were kind of like, yeah, sign ups are in the back. You know what I mean? Essentially, yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

You don't think I felt that with Dane?

[Jay Okerson]

Of course, no. But I'm saying they explained it.

[Bobby Kelly]

I didn't even get signups in the back. I got, you can't come in.

[Jay Okerson]

It was an explanation that was so. Made so much sense to Me that I didn't even question it. They went, oh, dude, he goes funny, charismatic, good looking, in shape, black eye, non threatening. White people aren't afraid of him at all. So it's like, he'll get. Every audience will love him. And I was like, that all tracks. But, you know, I've seen Kev work a room as an open mic or

[Bobby Kelly]

this is what he also had. He wanted to be famous, of course. Like, Dane Cook wanted to be famous. I feel like you and me, we wanted to be. We cared more. I think fame, it's.

[Jay Okerson]

I wanted to not work a real job.

[Bobby Kelly]

I wanted to be funny. I wanted to do exactly what I'm doing.

[Jay Okerson]

That's what I'm saying. I wanted to be. I wanted to just be funny and not work a job. I didn't want to go to a place every day that I didn't want to be.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, I mean, look, I'm not saying. Oh, people say, well, yeah, if somebody was like, tomorrow, Jay, we have a three pitcher deal with you. It's not like you'd say no. I wouldn't say no to that. I'd be happy about doing that stuff. And yes, if. If that type of fame came, I guess I would deal with it. But I'm not any less happier than I would be there than I am right here.

[Jay Okerson]

No. As long as I said I'm not struggling at all financially is the only thing that would, like, make me, like, worry.

[Bobby Kelly]

The fact that I can order Starbucks and not think about it, like, just.

[Jay Okerson]

That's a win. I know what you mean.

[Bobby Kelly]

The fact that, like, we're walking back to the car and I go, christine, you want to use my app and just hand her my phone and she can order whatever she wants. And I don't even think about it. Makes me. I made it. I fucking made it.

[Jay Okerson]

Oh, yeah, there it is. Yeah, the. Like this League of Super Pets. Yeah, I was just like, God damn, it's fucking amazing. Yeah, Apps and a main course at Oceana. No problem for you. Not at all.

[Bobby Kelly]

Not for me.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah. Okay. We'll fly. I'll take you guys to Del Frisco's. We don't treat you like I do.

[Bobby Kelly]

You order whatever you want, bro. If it says mp, I want you to get it.

[Jay Okerson]

I don't go to the place that's convenient to my train stop. I know Jacob wore that all night, but so, yeah, so there was that. Can you go back to the video night? I just wanted to kind of address because it was interesting to listen to it Because I'm like, is he. He's having everything, I guess, like a smidge off of everything to say I hate him right now. To go. He goes, I don't know if he hates him still. Maybe he's changed. But I didn't get that energy at the roast. The energy at the roast was. I was fucking terrified. My mind was like, no. I go. I said, all I heard about Shane's intro of me was Jay Okerson. Jay Okerson. I knew the second time he said it was like, me, stand up and walk. And that was it. I was like, walk. I'm like, look again at where the teleprompters are. I was like. I go, do I say this John Stamos thing? I've been thinking about this John Stamos thing for a minute. Do I say John. Do I put. I'm going to say John Stamos. I mean, that's it.

[Bobby Kelly]

Almost left the party to go back to your room out of, like, anxiety.

[Jay Okerson]

I did.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, you went back in. But he doesn't understand that all those Netflix ones. He doesn't understand that going to that party, going to the actual event, all the stuff, yet walking the red carpet is. It's not. It's not like you do it all the time to do it. It's like the anxiety on that is astronomical. And to play it off like it's not bothering you is fucking great. And. And like I said, the thing that impressed me the most about you is that I was nervous that you weren't going to be you. Like, your nerve was going to take over when you were delivering it.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

And the fact. The fact that you. You did. You were 100. The way you deliver stuff, your timing, your slowness, your eye movements, the. The. The. The way you said something and looked at the confidence you had at the moment when you're supposed to have. It was off the charts to me. It was off the charts. I literally looked at Don. I was like, he fucking did it. He did it. And that. You wrote the stuff yourself. It was so amazing. And it just bugged. This shit bugs me, man.

[Jay Okerson]

I know, but. So play it, because it's one. They still hates Kevin.

[Bobby Kelly]

He hates Kevin.

[Jay Okerson]

Oh, pause it. So that's another thing. He goes, I think he took the opportunities. I should make this clear. I think he took it as an opportunity. Whatever. He goes, it was a major opportunity given me by Kev. They fucking asked me to do it. And again, I was the first person booked. I was the first person Netflix told me when they Called me, and I know Robbie, if he was lying to me, that'd be weird, because I was the first person booked, and they brought it to Kev as an idea, and Kev was like, absolutely, let's do it. So he's like, I think he did it to. What do you say? I think he did it more for the opportunity rather than to honor Kev. Well, yeah. I don't know if I put it in my mind. I was like, I'm gonna go honor Kev. I mean, the event is honoring Kev. And I went up there, and I think one of the only people besides Chelsea, weirdly, who said, like, he saved her one day by sending her a plane or something. But that told a story. But I told a story. I mean, I told a story that was, like, Of Kevin helping me huge at a time where I needed. It was like. Was actually a pretty heartfelt story. So that's an interesting thing to be, like, the energy wasn't there. I go, I told a thing. Naim attacked Dave Chappelle's wife, and Dave Chappelle wasn't a part of the thing at all. So what I think is interesting, calling it the opportunity thing. This is what I will call Naim out on. This is not a thing. I'm not starting a beef with you, Naim. You want to try to glom onto something, you can. But, like, I. I thought everyone did fucking great at the roasting. Thought we all had a fucking good time. But this is like a weird. I went and peeked at his followers, and he's been opening for the biggest comedian in the fucking globe for years, and he had 85,000 followers on Instagram. Now, is that the mark of everything in the world? Absolutely not. But it made me feel like, just use the word opportunity was interesting because I've taken the opportunity from the roast to be like, hopefully this sells more tickets, because I did something a little more visible, and people maybe get curious to come see me perform. The money was nice. Obviously, I'll get insurance from it. Yeah. I mean, there's things. But everything I've done, a hundred thousand

[Bobby Kelly]

dollars, is a lot of money.

[Jay Okerson]

I've been asked. I was asked by several podcasts and shows.

[Bobby Kelly]

Christine's face just told me it wasn't that.

[Jay Okerson]

No, I've been asked by. I've been asked by many, many podcasts, many shows to come on and talk about it if they want to, like, you know, anything about the Chelsea stuff. And I have my own platform, so I don't really need to do that. But nor do I do that. I've the opportunity of. It is like, I hope it does just. Yeah, I hope everything moves forward. This seems like somebody who was doing something for an opportunity and it seems like he didn't like the reaction it got as far as like followers or ticket sales or whatever it is. So he's the only person I've seen. Only person I've seen on this. Talk about. He talked to tmz. He did a whole TMZ thing at the airport where he stopped and had like a 20 minute conversation with them. Who does that? And then he went on the Breakfast Club thing and made the whole thing about the white writers, brought that all up again. And now he's doing this. So I think he's clamoring to try to get the most out of this moment. And I'm not gonna give it to you with an argument, Naim. Like, just no argument to be had there. It's like, I'm doing fine.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Jay Okerson]

And I wish you all the best in the world, dude. But to say something that's so out of school, like, that is irresponsible. So if you're looking for a problem with me, I'm not giving it to you. But what it led to, which was great in its own regard, was when I texted Kev last night, I was like, hey, what is this about? Is this some way you feel or is this something? And he was like, he texted me, I was like, nah, Naim's being an idiot, blah, blah. Then he. FaceTime called me today.

[Bobby Kelly]

Kevin, was he standing on a box?

[Jay Okerson]

Well, no, I guess he was chest timing me, Kev. Facetimed me. And we were talking and he was kind of going back, talking about this and stuff, and he's like, yeah, I don't know what the fuck he's doing. And we had a real. A good call. There was a couple funny things that happened in it. One was towards the end of it, I was like, towards the end thing, I go, he said something. He goes, yeah, man, just give me two seconds. And I was like, is that ludicrous? And he went, yeah. And I go, where are you? And then he goes, you know, he says, where he's at? Whatever islands. I don't know if he announcing it, but he. He flips the camera around. A 12 serving dining room table on the edge of a yacht looking out over a sea with like, things over there. And I'm like, oh, well, this call must be costing you a fortune. Yeah, I think he was talking to me there.

[Bobby Kelly]

I Was like. I was like, he's with Ludacris. They're on vacation.

[Jay Okerson]

No, no. I knew he was. I. I've seen the same exact video of saying so when I. But I didn't. I thought in my mind, he could have been home by now or so. So when he. When he just talked off camera, I just made a joke. I was like, is that ludicrous? And he goes, yeah. I was like, oh, shit. Yeah. That's literally almost the shot he showed me. There was, like, a dining room table there.

[Bobby Kelly]

It's bigger than my house.

[Jay Okerson]

Yes. Yeah. Dude. He's living the life. He's doing great.

[Bobby Kelly]

Can I tell you what bothers me? I'm sorry, are you done?

[Jay Okerson]

No, but good.

[Bobby Kelly]

What bothers me the most about this is that I had his number where I could text him. He would text me back, and I blew that opportunity, which is an opportunity for me to connect you two back together.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

And now do you want me to

[Jay Okerson]

give you his new number?

[Bobby Kelly]

I do.

[Jay Okerson]

I will. Okay. Thanks.

[Bobby Kelly]

Tell him he just gave it to you. I feel like. I feel like. You know what I mean? Like, I really just threw my. Whatever connection I had with Kev where he would actually text me back. I gave that. I threw that in the fire to connect you guys again. Now, whatever opportunity, maybe they would ask me to be on the roast.

[Jay Okerson]

Maybe.

[Bobby Kelly]

Maybe I would in this position right now, but I don't. I actually called his. After you said you FaceTimed him today to me. I called that number and I heard

[Jay Okerson]

the number you. No, it's a newbie. It's even new from when you got it for me the first time.

[Bobby Kelly]

I would like the number again, and I'll tell him Patrice's mom gave it to me, and I will text him and go, hey, we good?

[Jay Okerson]

We good, right? We're still cool, right? I'm not Naim. Right. Yeah. So I think I. Honestly, that's my. My. My take on that whole thing is that he's trying to make an opportunity almost. You know what Shane said about Chelsea Handler so eloquently, like, we're all happy for Naim. Work it however you want to work it. But, I mean, it was just. I wanted to clear the air on that, because I'm like, that's just a weird thing to say. It was a weird thing to put out there to go, like, he still hates kids, and then to say, like, fake, like, false things.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, he said good things about you before on something. I forget who it was.

[Jay Okerson]

He didn't say Good things. He just said that we both wrote

[Bobby Kelly]

our own stuff, which is a good thing.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

But like, like the one thing that I liked about his set and your set is that it was. You guys are friends with him.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

And you guys wrote your stuff and it was really funny. It was kind of the way a roast in the way I see it.

[Jay Okerson]

Sure.

[Bobby Kelly]

The best part of a roast is when people have their own things and personal stories and they're funny and. And you had nothing but nice things to say about him.

[Jay Okerson]

Also say if you're making. If you're going sense making on the sense of how you would book a roast at a local comedy club with your friends. Me, Naim the Rock. You know, they've worked together at length. I guess Teyana Taylor and him are friends. You know, there's people that made sense in there, but Tony Hinchcliffe and Shane almost wouldn't make sense in that regard. But that's not how the roast work.

[Bobby Kelly]

Right.

[Jay Okerson]

It works where it's like you find connections to make people, these people who know each other. And you do the best roast because you're making a show. You're not doing it for like an in house. We're all gonna have laughs. They're doing a multi million dollar operation. So like it was interesting. But yeah, I guess to take the shot of me, maybe I'll take some like, I'll take it as a bit of a, like, oh, maybe that was like a nice thing in the sense of like he thought he can like, maybe pull off of like my following a bit.

[Bobby Kelly]

But it might be a thing too where, you know, like we, like, I've

[Jay Okerson]

maybe compliment, like he.

[Bobby Kelly]

I've said stuff about Kev joking around on this show. You know what I mean? I've said stuff to his face and he said stuff to me, but it like, like I, like I. The last thing I remember is playing dice at the Cellar with Kev and then he became this. Right, sure. That's like weird. Like, that's crazy. Like we're playing dice at 2 in the morning on a table, and then all of a sudden he's doing a movie with a rock.

[Jay Okerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

And I've seen that before. I've seen it with Billy, I've seen it with Dane. I've seen it with Louie. You know, Louie was, you know, just a writer when I met him, riding at 10 speed in the West Village, the sweaty redhead. And then all of a sudden he's, you know who he is. But like our group of people have never. We've always wanted. You know, we always want that for each other. We want that type of success. And we've never had. You've never had that thing. But the thing that he might be seeing is that maybe he heard, you know, when guys like that who aren't in that they're not in the cellar. Or that New York thing, our New York club that we created, I really. It's like the mob. Like, we. There's a certain codes and certain things we go by. You know what I mean? We with each other, we really don't with people we don't like. We with people we love, right? And if you hear something outside of that, maybe you took that and, like, he said this about him, blah, blah. You're in this other thing where you guys are all behind Kev. You guys probably don't bust his balls, right? You probably don't do the shit that Kev would do or you would do or you wouldn't kick his luggage over in an airport, you know, maybe I should have been like, oh, my God, Kev, how are you?

[Jay Okerson]

You know what I mean?

[Bobby Kelly]

But, you know, I mean, Kev walked into Opie and Anthony one day and looked at me and went, jesus Christ, Bobby, you look like shit. And handed me a thousand dollars. And I left. I went home. I just gave it to Don. I go, hey, I got a thousand bucks. How little Kev gave.

[Jay Okerson]

I'm looking like shit.

[Bobby Kelly]

I left because I thought he'd asked for it back. You know what I mean? At that time, I needed it. You know what I mean?

[Jay Okerson]

But also, there's something to be said for the idea of to be like, I hate Kev. And he knows I hate Kev. The strange thing about that is take my own interests out of it completely. It's undeniably makes me more interesting of a human being, that part of my life. And I could say, like, why would I not want to be friends or friendly with arguably one of the most famous people in the fucking world? You know what I mean?

[Bobby Kelly]

But also an original friend in comedy, right?

[Jay Okerson]

I'm saying. But we also started there. So it's like, if there's no beef, what would be the point of. It's like, to me, it's much more interesting to go. It's like, oh, yeah, Me and Kev had these great stories together. We did all this stuff. It's like, oh, yeah. When I see him, it's always love, but we don't get to talk that much. And, like, so I don't know why, like I said, Just almost on a sense level, like, why would I do that?

[Bobby Kelly]

But you wouldn't be able to be part of his world anymore. Because you have your own world. You have your own. You have your own universe that you're in. You wouldn't be able to be part of his universe. It just wouldn't.

[Jay Okerson]

No, it wouldn't work at all. But in the time that it. Maybe it would have. I could have. But I never, like, really begrudged him that. And I said, I saw. That's the thing I was gonna say I saw right away was like, when Kev was kind of having people open for him stuff there. And I don't know if I don't think the plastic cupboys do this at all. But I'm saying there was something in the beginning of, like, a little more came with that. And it was almost in our friendship together. It wasn't that. It's like Kevin always had a couple bucks in his pocket. You know what I mean? Even when we were all broke, he had a couple bucks in his pocket. So it was like, same thing. Not that he was bitching me around. Cause he wasn't. But it was just kind of like, well, Jay, you drive, and then I'll get the gas and tolls. Because you're driving, and I'm like, well, I need you to pay the gas and tolls. So I'm gonna drive. You know what I mean? So it's like. It would appear I'm chauffeuring him a lot. You know what I mean? Or something like that. But I didn't have any anger towards it. We were all broke in my mind. And we were all nothing in this business. So we were all figuring out. But I never had. Yeah, as of which, always.

[Bobby Kelly]

I had you show for me around a few times.

[Jay Okerson]

Sure. That's part of the thing of being a young comic. It's just funny when someone else is a young comic, too. And they have enough money more than you to just be, like, chauffeur me around. I know we're doing the same show. And I know we're both the new Jacks on the show doing new Jack spots.

[Bobby Kelly]

Finding a comic, a young comic with a car was like, gold huge.

[Jay Okerson]

But I always like driving. So even when I do, I would end up bringing people. I'd open. Have people open for me, and I drive them. I still do that. We gotta take a break because I got another video of Complaining Bobby that I'd like to show you. This one might hit you a little more in the guts. Than this one even. Ooh, I hope it does. Bobby Kelly's gonna be a governor's Levittown this weekend if he doesn't pop a stitch. After this video, I show him one

[Bobby Kelly]

show Friday, one show Saturday, one and

[Jay Okerson]

one Friday and Saturday. And then the Comedy mothership in Austin July 3rd through the 5th. After that, he'll be in Portsmouth, New Hampshire July 25th, one night, two shows, Saratoga Springs in Brooklyn, New York on deck. After that, for tickets and all tour dates, go to punch up.live Robert Kelly. And make sure you catch him every Tuesday, 7pm The Fat Black Pussycat Lounge at the Comedy Cellar. And also, why not go to his YouTube? Subscribe to that shit.

[Bobby Kelly]

Robert Kelly Comedy Big J Okerson is going to be at Helium Comedy Club in Buffalo this weekend, June 19th of the 20th. After that, the Comedy Zone in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania July 10th through the 12th. After that he's going to be in Winnipeg, Richmond, Long island for tickets and tour dates. BigJ. Comedy.com and YouTube.com bigjokerson we'll be right back with the bonfire. Feeling stuck with rising ad costs and flat results? Realize Taboola's advertising platform for businesses unlocks growth beyond search and social. Taboola's algorithm engages with high intent users on the open web, accelerating their path to conversion. Powered by an AI model trained on over 500 billion monthly signals, Realize delivers smarter prospecting with privacy, safe targeting.

[Jay Okerson]

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