
Marilyn Manson's lawsuits are returning and so are the documentaries made on the musician. Jay does not want to believe Manson is guilty because he has been a huge fan of his music for so long. Jay educates Bob on the allegations made by the actress ex-girlfriend and Marilyn's career decline. | The Bonfire crew plans to go to the Manson/Rob Zombie concert this summer and everyone must wear evil costumes. Christine insists that she can do everyone's eye makeup but Jay doubts her skills. *To hear the full show to go www.siriusxm.com/bonfire to learn more! FOLLOW THE CREW ON SOCIAL MEDIA: @thebonfiresxm @louisjohnson @christinemevans @bigjayoakerson @robertkellylive @louwitzkee @jjbwolf
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And now the Bonfire with Big J. Ulkerson and Robert Kelly.
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Everybody ready to laugh now? Happy Monday everybody. Welcome to a bonus episode of the Bonfire podcast.
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Hey, Crackle crackle. Everybody please enjoy this never before aired episode of the Bonfire. All right. Woo. Woo. There's one line in this song that I've never got, but I just say it and I know it's not the line when it goes. She's a noble patine. What is that line? She's a noble patine. She said, I don't know what it is.
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You got him up. Second verse.
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What could it be? What do you think it is? She said no, I gotta hear it again. Play it back a little bit before you tell them what it is. Don't tell them what it is first.
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Back it up.
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Let's see if we can figure it out. Cowbell, Cowbell. More cowbell. More cowboy. Right here.
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She keeps her motor clean and.
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Right here. Leave me you. Right here. I don't know what it is. I always say noble poutine, but I don't know what that means.
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A noble poutine. That means like, like french fries with gravy and cheese for royals.
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What is it?
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Noble poutine.
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What do you tell you?
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What do you. Not yet. Not yet.
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She's a. Let me hear it again.
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Does anybody have a guess?
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I'm gonna go with movable teenager.
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I move. Leave me you. What do you think, Lou?
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You know it now?
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Oh, you know it, right?
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I don't know it.
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Oh, yeah, I think noble's in there. Noble.
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You can tell us.
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She's a number 13.
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Whoa, go back.
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But not like she's 13. Like she's a number 13. Like on a scale of 1 to 10, she's 13.
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Are you sure?
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Yeah.
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A noble 13.
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Leave me.
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You.
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I hear it now.
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I hear it now.
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Sucks though.
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It does suck. A number three.
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Rather be a noble poutine.
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Yeah.
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Is that her high end poutine?
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Yeah. Is that her?
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I like more. I like cadizoming. I like poutine more than I like the number 13.
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A noble poutine is cooler, right?
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Yeah, sure.
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She's a noble poutine.
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Maybe they use like better than cheese curds. Like something else. It's noble.
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Yeah. A number 13.
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She's a number 13.
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She's a number thirteen.
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She's a pig.
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She is a pig. I guess I'm gonna say that. Well, whoever the girl this was about is definitely a pig.
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Now I'm gonna say it was actually a young girl. I'm not gonna say it's a 1 to 10. Why would you go to 13? You mean she's a number?
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Do you know I gotta find this. This weekend maybe or something. Apparently there's a Channel four, I guess is the uk.
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Yeah.
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Some TV documentary produced for them called Marilyn Manson Unmasked that like goes into the stuff, you know, it's all coming back up again. All the lawsuits and stuff are kind of recirculating again.
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What happened?
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They're coming back up.
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Dismissed.
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A lot of them were, but now look it up. There's stuff going on still.
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What happened? Refresh my memory.
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Well, he was accused by Evan Rachel Wood of like being really like violent
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and
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all kind of stuff with him because she was like. He was like violent and abusive and. And shit with her and in a lot of ways. And then a bunch of other girls apparently came forward, but they were all reached out to by her. Every other girl, it seemed like in the thing, like took it back and was like, yeah, he didn't do anything freaky or not didn't do anything freaky, but like he didn't do anything we didn't want him to do. He's not like a rapist or anything like that.
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Wow.
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And then it all went away. But now, yeah, then his ex assistant is making a sexual thing now.
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Well, I don't think they're gonna talk about the child rape.
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Yeah, probably not.
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I mean, he does have. He does have the look that goes with all these accusations.
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He's great again though. So in my mind he's innocent.
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I just.
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I'm like, imagine being like, imagine dating Marilyn Manson. Like, I'm sure that's not like, awesome.
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An awesome relationship a couple times a year. It's pretty awesome.
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It's probably awesome. Like, maybe it's awesome in the beginning when you're like, wow, it's Marilyn Manson
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the first night, one time in the middle. And then when you get the out. It's awesome.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Maybe lose the possessed eye contact. It'll help you out. Oh.
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So here's what's kind of happening. So the big. The documentary itself was set to.
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Jacob had a dude.
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It was really good.
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All right.
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Yeah. Stand by it.
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Jacob had a hot dud thing at this point.
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Clean up your look.
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We got it.
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He did clean up his. No, he severely cleaned up his look, though. He was a big fat. He got fat and weird and like, really awful looking for a while. Now he looks like he looked when he was like 30 again, you know, I mean, so it's like he. He looks exactly like Merrill Manson's supposed to look now. That's not the issue here. This is. He looked way worse a little bit ago and more like a creep. I'd say about like five, six years ago.
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Yeah, he did look like he directed, like, cartoon horror movies.
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Yeah, he looked terrible for a while.
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We didn't change his look. He ballooned into it.
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Well, he got fat and still says we lost all the weight. He's now like, in shape. Hey, Jacob.
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Artists do that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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We balloon up into our art.
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It's called Yo Yoing from stress.
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Yeah.
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Of a career. A difficult career.
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So fat.
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I got.
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Jesus.
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That's not what people need to hear. But I guess what she was trying to do with that doc because it was called. I never understood that documentary was so boring. It was called Phoenix Rising and it's something about a law that's metal law. Phoenix something law. It's like from the ashes, I guess, is the idea that it's going to make older sexual assault claims. You'll have like, more
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statue.
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She was trying to get no statute of limitations. But it looks like the California law is like, it can come up. It can revive the case.
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And the law is called Phoenix Rising law.
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I don't know what they ended up calling the law. That's what the documentary Evan Rachel Wood made.
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Oh, okay.
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About Marilyn Manson.
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Be a great name for a law.
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It's so. I think it's right there. It's right there. AB250. That's not as good.
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That sucks. Phoenix Rising is pretty cool.
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That was called Phoenix Rising was the name of the documentary.
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I'm trying to find the law.
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But the name of documentary, it'll tell you in the recap of that.
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So, so, so if you get. Wait a minute. So if the law. You get accused of something and don't get prosecuted on it, they can just keep bringing it up forever and ever. They can give something. Right.
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No. Statute of limitation just means that if you didn't report it for, like, maybe before, I don't know what it was. But if you didn't report it for five years, if you report it six years later, they'd go, you have five years to report it. I think it's getting more time for that. I think she's looking for an end to any statute of limitations on sex crime.
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I would say that it should be three days. You have three days to report it. After that, you.
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It's.
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The baby's yours.
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Yeah. You're keeping. And we're keeping it. And we're gonna love it.
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Oh, she looks like she has a lot of stuff on a lot of people, this woman. She's got. She's got eyes of. I know what you did. You did something.
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Let me tell you something. He did something.
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He did something.
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Whatever he did, whatever he did, he picked the wrong chick to do it.
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Yeah, that's the girl who you, you know. Oh, it's frightening.
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Yeah. She.
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When she got out, whatever is it made her upset when she left. I mean, she was like. By the way. I mean, again, she. She says now, like, the one that said that freaks me out a little bit because I've. The music video where it's like him and her fucking. In the beginning of it, she says he actually started fucking her and she didn't know he was going to do that, even though they were a couple, like, in front of the people and like. And she hated it and like, whatever. But, like, again, it's a music video, so they didn't use that part. I'm sure if that actually.
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But at some point, if someone starts really you on set can't say stop. What can you say stop? I. I don't want to.
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I don't.
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No, I'm doing what I would do if you said that. What? I can't hear you. Keep going.
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You said the music's too loud. Keep going.
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You said bury my. In your mouth.
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No, I. I don't like it.
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Oh, you want more. You love it. You don't like it.
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You love it.
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Oh, there it is. The Phoenix Act 2.0.
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Oh, that's the name.
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Extends the time limit to five years. Jesus, what was it, three days?
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It's crazy. It's crazy because you know, the thing is, is it's like you meet 30 years old and be like, oh, maybe that 25 year old, that was me when I was 15, was a predator. But you might not feel that way when you're 20.
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Someone had a real. Yeah, yeah.
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Did you remember something?
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Did you see her zone her eyes out there?
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She had a lot of details in that sentence.
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Oh, no, that was personal.
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But it was still like, ah, maybe that was bad. You know, it's like you don't realize it in the same way when you're young. You realize that when you get older and you see 15 year olds.
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Right. But don't you chalk that up as experience at some point?
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I do, but I mean, I get wanting to, you know, be like, wow, that guy, is he doing it to other girls? Like that's the kind of thing about these predators is you go, okay, he did it to me. I probably wasn't the only person.
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Right, right. I agree.
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You know, so it's like you want to stop them continuing.
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You're a predator. Yeah, you.
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And I still pray you groom Christine
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right into a house in Jersey.
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I pray still I'm out there praying.
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You grew into a palapa in the backyard in a really good place.
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I thought they were actually extending it like 20 years. Yeah, because of that.
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20 years is nuts. It's not though, I don't think, well, you could be. Some 60 year old woman can be like, here he finger me and I didn't like it.
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If you're a six year old woman, you're like that seven year old man. Touch. I don't know, it's crazy, you know, you're like, well, was he raping kids? Like if he's raping kids, he should probably go to jail even if he's 70.
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Yeah, kids. I mean, when you say the word kids, I'm with you. Yeah, but if, you know, if you're in a relationship.
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How about bad kids?
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Oh, I mean, how bad?
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Bad enough to rape. How bad? Like rapeably bad. I think they should extend it more by getting it. It's like extend it, but you, the problem is extend it forever. I say, but you got to be able to like bring some proof to, you know, I mean, the problem is if you, if you wait five years, 10 years, two years maybe, it's like, what do you, what's the evidence?
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But what Happens to the person when they do bring it up and they find out it is. And she got to those people and it is a bunch of fabricated. Nothing happens to them. Right. Or that has to go civil.
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No, listen, if someone didn't do. If they're getting falsely accused, it sucks and it ties up their life. You should be able to. Exactly. Yeah. Like sue them back or counter sue or something.
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But I mean like you can't undamage the, the career. You know, your career. You're, you're known as a guy. There's still going to be people that think you did it even if you didn't do it.
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Yeah.
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You know, for sure. Just like there's people that think Michael Jackson didn't molest kids, you know.
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Well, that's why I said when people get, you know, when the guys get, you know, comics get called Nazis, I'm like, you can't get like uncalled a Nazi. You either just have to shut up about it or defend or join. Like right now I'm defending myself against being a Nazi.
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He goes, or now I got to join the party flat out. I go, hey guys, listen, I thought it was impossible, but apparently I'm one of you. They go, aren't you Jewish? I go, that's what I told them.
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There's also, you have to say, I hate myself.
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There's men that slept with girls that were underage that would, I mean, defend to their life that they didn't if they were caught later in life too. You know, it's like what 35 year old man that was. Or 50 year old man that was a young girl.
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You remember?
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You remember, they're gonna go, I absolutely never did that because it will ruin their life. So it's like, it's Christine, I think
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you're ready to face your attacker.
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Yeah, it's really coming out real, isn't it?
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I wasn't attacked.
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Speech loose. My God,
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girl, that was like really excited. A guy wanted to have sex with me. I was like, oh my God. I'm pretty
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sure.
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What's with his lawsuit against her? Is there anything about that? It says he's began a defamation lawsuit.
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This is an old article. This is when the law took place. This is 2022. So I imagine it was just.
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What's going on with it now?
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Well, apparently it's five years.
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There's stuff going on now. Yeah, this is the video she's in.
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Oh, here's I have the resurface stuff.
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In the beginning of that video though, they won't be on YouTube.
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Well, no, it's not Heart Shaped Glasses. It's the beginning.
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It's the beginning of the video.
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Is it the beginning of like Four Rusted Horses? It starts with her.
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It's Heart Shaped Glasses is the song for the video. The beginning of that video starts with Evidence and it's them two. But he says you can only find it. You have to find it off YouTube. They've taken the beginning of it.
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So in. So in the video. Can you. No, you can't. It just looks like acting.
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It looks like acting. Yeah, but it's great. The song playing is great.
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Yeah.
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You turn off the lights, she gets jerkable. Maybe really for you, you old creep. But it's online somewhere.
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You know, I like a story.
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I know you do like a story.
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I do like it.
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And now that you know, he may have put his plopped his wang a dang in there while everyone was watching, but I think she like showed up to his like house when she was like 18 with you know, licking a lollipop like, I'm ready. So it's a real change in. In pace of what she's done.
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It's not available on like Daily Motion even now maybe since she said.
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Cuz it's evidence sex.
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No, the song's called Evidence. How funny is it?
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Is it?
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I was like. Really sexy song.
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Yeah, it's a good song.
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I want to. Is this it?
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No, this is Heart Shaped Glasses. This is the video she's in. But she's in it and they like, they're all lovey dovey and I mean, you know, I think I have it going to be. Yeah, it's. It exists. I've seen it.
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But it's like I'm on like a foreign website.
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Yeah, yeah, here it is.
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So this is them is Dracula Castle.
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Yes.
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Yeah, yeah. So apparently you started actually fucking her here.
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Turn the lights off so Bobby can see it.
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Yeah, turn it off. Off so I can masturbate to this.
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And then the little ones also.
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Yeah. Jacob, can you get me the baby wipes real quick?
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Absolutely.
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All right. So she's getting naked, he's taking a bra off.
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They're getting. They're getting it in.
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They rolling around.
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They're in the smoosh room.
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In fairness, it's not like you can't see that they're.
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No, I'm saying it doesn't blow my mind.
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Yeah, but they really.
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True.
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They're really kissing. I mean.
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Oh.
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Oh, you can see that. That looks like they're. They're banging. You can Tell. That's real. I've never heard.
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She definitely performed at the time she was performing.
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It's funny because he's choking her in the video and that deep throat kissing. She's on top. Now, if you're on top, is that considered like. If you're like. If a guy's on top of you and he sticks it in, but if you're on top of him, don't you have to put it in?
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Bobby.
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What?
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You're not going to get a subpoenaed to court. You're going to be a character with his. Marilyn Manson.
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I'm just.
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She wrote him.
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Yeah, she's.
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When you turn it all. Back off.
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You can't.
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Aren't you.
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I'm just asking. Christine. I don't know this, but aren't you. No. Leave the lights out. I got to hang on one second. Okay, go ahead. If you're on top and it's in, is. Aren't you to blame too?
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Yeah, it's your fault.
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I mean, if you're 15.
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Is she 15 in the.
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No, she's 18.
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Oh, God.
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No. I don't know how she.
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I don't think she's saying this was rape at all. She's just saying, like I was on camera. I was uncomfortable. I didn't want to stop. She's young. She didn't have like.
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She says he didn't. He just put it in when they were supposed to be faking it.
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Yeah, but my point is you don't have to leave it in.
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She could have stopped. Maybe. Yeah.
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You could put. If someone put something in you, the
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whole story might be completely fictitious.
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Yeah. And then you don't definitely have to go on top and then ride it.
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That.
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No one knows the order of this. Again, she. She's either.
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She might.
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She might be putting out. She might be exposing a monster, unfortunately. Or. Or. Or, I mean, good. I guess, if she is. Or she's like. She could also be a crackpot who's fucking doing a bunch of shit. I mean, like a shitty boyfriend and
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probably fucking a little bit, maybe.
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But there's a thing. Doesn't matter. There's a thing. I'm curious to see. So this Channel 4 thing made a thing called Marilyn Manson Unmasked. I don't know, maybe my VPN will help me be able to get it or something because I have to. I just gotta find like a legal website to watch it on or something because it's. I wanna watch it. It's like three or four parts, but it's like, more current. And it's got documentaries with her again, kind of after all this and after the lawsuit and other girls kind of coming forward. So I'm curious to see it. But they were like, this is the one that might bury him.
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Oh, yeah, it's on Paramount plus, but we can't access it.
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It's not Paramount plus here.
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Yeah.
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I mean, this video looks like they're crime video.
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Oh, yeah.
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You know, it's a nice penis.
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I know. Jacob. That doesn't matter.
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You know, they look like they're definitely real. Like video. When people are doing stuff, you can tell it's fake.
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Yeah.
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Even.
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I mean, they're. They're deep kissing, biting each other's teeth.
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Looks like they're into it. Both of them?
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Yeah.
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He's choking her. She's on top.
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I mean, if we're going by the video, I'd have to be like, looks like she's into it pretty good.
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That's what I'm saying.
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But, you know, I'm sure there's some cutting room floor.
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This is all.
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This is also.
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It's like they're shooting a music video where they're supposed to be having a sex scene. So. So it's like she was down to do all this.
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And she's also an actress, keep in mind.
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Oh, she's an actress. Yeah, she's a goddamn good one.
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Oh, you know, she was in. I mean. Did you watch. I'm surprised you didn't watch. What the. Was the show. She was, like, huge on Westworld, right? Westworld?
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No.
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Oh, was it good? I didn't.
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Is that the one with a future end?
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A robot?
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Yeah, it's Robot Land.
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Oh, that's her one season.
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And then she was in. One season was good. And then she was in. And then she was in.
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Oh, she's Frank.
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But no, her big thing was when she was young, she was that movie 13 that was up.
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Well, she was also in Practical Magic, which was big.
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So she's a legit actress. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it was just a regular.
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She's an actress.
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She plays.
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She was Mickey.
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She plays Mickey Work's daughter in the Wrestler. Yeah, she's been. She's.
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Yeah, she's got, like, her own thing going on. Yeah, she's not, you know, she's not. Some like that, like, just got wrapped up.
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It's like I believe her then.
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I don't know. I don't know. Everyone else dropped the thing and said that, like, she coerced them to.
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To, like, come out you know why I believe her? Because this will affect her career too. You know what I mean? Because Johnny Depp's situation that he was in, she did all that stuff and it her career, when they proved her kind of lying and she was kind of wrong and he was in the right it her career. And if you're an actress and you're coming out with this, you got to know that this is going to affect her too.
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What is she doing? She have anything coming out?
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What are you suggesting? That maybe she needs some. She's cloud chasing a little bit.
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The timing of that wouldn't seem right because I don't know how far over Westworld was and I'm sure after that a show that was ran for a few seasons, she would get another offer for some. So it's not only she's an out of work actress or anything. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I agree. Why do it if it's not real? That's the whole beginning of like believe every. Believe all women. You're like, yeah, wouldn't you love that if every time a woman said that like she was like raped, you're like, oh my God, I'm sorry something like that happened to you and just let's start fixing the problem or stopping whoever did this. The fact that it does get become lied about at all is fucking crazy. So it's like, then you're like, shit, you hate. You have to doubt anybody.
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Yeah, it hurts though. It hurts women when people lie just to, you know, fuck somebody over.
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But yeah, I've heard, I've had it all over. I've heard stories from girls where I'm like, that's not fucking, you know, I'm like, you think that's what rape is like? That's not rape. That's like being a drunk.
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She's in 10 up. She's in all 10 episodes.
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And then I've heard stories where I'm like, that's so terrifying. I can't. I've had friends. I had. A friend of mine was held at gunpoint, raped on her stoop.
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So that's rape.
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That's fucking crazy. I can't believe that there's people.
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I'm willing to tell the story now. You don't have to say was your friend anymore. It was me.
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That's how you met.
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I never forgave myself. She's got 10 full. She's doing 10 full episodes, like a full season of a show. It's coming out.
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Yeah, she's got a lot. She's got a lot to Lose. If she's get. If this goes somewhere and she gets on the stand and is proven wrong or she lied or coerced other people, that's going to affect. Nobody's going to want to work with her. Nobody's going to. No, no male actor is going to want to be near her.
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Wait, go back to her IMDb because she has a music video. She did music too. I have to hear how bad that is. Now the fact that she's trying to jump into music makes me think, man, she's trying to fucking pull the flim flammy. I think they're gonna play it right there.
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I hope it's so good. You love it.
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She's a fantastic song.
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Yeah, she has great music. Just like Marilyn Manson. It's all about him raping her.
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Geez. It's from Frozen 2.
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Oh, really?
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Oh, she frozen to sing along.
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But I was gonna say she sings. She's a character probably in it.
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I mean, she's a character in Frozen. She's fine.
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Yeah, she's fine.
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Money wise, I don't think she was ever not fine. I just think it's a weird. She jumped into this lawsuit thing.
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She's saying money wise, if she was in Frozen, you're set for life.
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I believe for sure, Evan, Rachel would believe. She. I don't think she believes she's bringing up a fictitious thing.
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Right.
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Does that make sense? It's just a matter of like, is she loopy or is she fucking completely righteous? And he has some explaining to do because he really said he got his shit together. And I said he seems very. Like again, someone being afraid for their life will be humble. Yeah, but like it seems like I said, he's five years sober. He seems like he's trying, but he. I don't hear him ever.
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Comment ever really much about it after since the first thing where he was just like this is and I'll I'll show you that.
D
This feels very much like when somebody gets involved with a cult. It's like almost like a two person cult. It's like the stuff she's accusing him of is almost like Keith Renieri style. Like what was that Group, you know, it's like brainwashing, sleep deprivation. Like he actually had no control over her, but she feels like he had control over her. I can't. It's all really up. But I don't think it didn't happen.
C
Well, I think he was also, I said, a major drug addict. Yeah, like alcoholic, alcoholic, drug addict.
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It's like you're gonna treat your partner like shit.
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Oh, don't forget to. His ego was out of control at that time.
C
Well, at that point, it's probably even a weirder place. Ego may have been out of control. And also career is fucking dwindling.
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Was it dwindling then?
C
Oh, yeah. I mean, this guy, he was the biggest thing in the world from 97 to like probably 2006, maybe even. He was humongous. He was so huge.
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I met him at the LA studio. He was lovely.
C
Yeah.
B
He didn't try to rape you?
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No. He was coming out of an interview, I said, hey, Marilyn, you killed in Sons of Anarchy. And he said, I did kill in sons of it.
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2006 to 2010 is when they were together.
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Yeah, four years.
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Yeah. And by the way, yes, maybe he's a raging piece of. He's got himself clean now, but that doesn't mean anything.
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No, that doesn't mean anything. Theoretically, he probably got clean because he did all that crazy stuff like this ever again. You know, usually people do crazy on the. On the downward spiral because they can't deal with the coming down off the mountain.
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That's what I'm saying. I think he was like, this guy. This guy will never have a hit song again. He's not gonna get no song he'll put out. He know now he. Now at his. He's an age. He knows that he's got an album coming out in a couple weeks and it's just like, it's out. Go listen to it. I'll tour, you know, I mean, but there's no, like, he doesn't expect now, but that's still a time where he's like. He puts out an album and can't believe his last two albums are like, this isn't on the charts. There's no. There's no song being picked for radio and there's no song. But, you know, I mean, that was over and no one. And now his tours are going to be at like the Wellmont Theater in Montclair and where. This is the guy that was like, you know, MSG and fucking, you know, one point probably could have done the baseball stadiums and shit.
D
And it was kind of short lived at the end.
C
I said under 10 years. Under 10 years, yeah.
D
Yeah. She was, she was born 9-7-87. So in 2006 she was 18, 19 years old. So it's like, I mean if you're just nice 18 year old child actress and you're mixed up with this one.
B
Yeah. And you're mixed up on the downward spot.
E
Yeah.
B
You can, you know, you can feel it.
D
But it sucks to see, you know, it's like a young girl, it's like she. At the end of the day, it's like she wasn't trapped. He wasn't holding her hostage. But it depends what. She's just like a really young girl. She thought in a really fucked up situation.
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She thought she could match his evil maybe.
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But he says, but she said, she said threatening and all kinds of stuff. So in there.
D
Yeah. Who knows what he. You know, these are things where it's like probably had videos of her. Probably threatened to release them. You know, it's like they're probably like a bunch of little things he did to control her.
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Come over here. I want to give you a kiss with my fists
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if you leave. You want to get fat,
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don't leave. You're the only thing holding me on to thin.
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I'm going to eat a whopper and a quarter pound of a cheese.
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And then he got. And then he turned 50 something. He was like, I don't need to be thin.
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And this is so D Von Te who was married to him. He said, she said. Please note that the details made public do not match my experience during our seven years together as a couple. And she said she left because of his drug abuse and infidelity.
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Is that when he got fat? She was with him when he got fat?
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No, no, she did have on tees way before.
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Oh, she was before the.
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This one, Evan Rachel Wood. She dumped him. He was going through that and then he was with Evan Rich Wood. And by the way, he was so up from her. Because here's the other thing too. The other person who anybody was gonna say the fact that his ex girlfriend is Rose McGowan. If somebody was gonna come out and be like, yo, this guy tortured. I mean she was like the number one whistleblower on Harvey Weinstein.
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She was the Me too spokesperson for a while.
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Huge.
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Yeah.
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She came out and said like, I believe these women. She said, she goes, I believe the women. I'm not going to say they're lying. I'm not saying. I just telling you, I didn't have an experience like that with him. And I mean, she would have been. She couldn't wait to jump out and do that.
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I think it really is like. It's like, okay, if he was a wild alcoholic drug addict. It's like that can do crazy things.
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That's the thing too. So. But he was also so up apparently from the Dita Von Teese like thing. Apparently like he was up from that breakup because he made it a big thing that he. I'm looking at this picture was McGill's tits and lose my train of thought.
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Yeah, I am too. I wasn't even hearing what you were saying. I forgot we were in studio.
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Now she has a short silver fox.
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After Zita Von Tees though he could have been a different person when he was divorced and going through the drugs and all that stuff and drinking like that. He became like an absinthe addict.
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Yeah.
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Thank God.
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It's like hallucinogenic alcohol.
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You can't even get absent.
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He makes it. I have a bottle. I have a bottle of it. I love it.
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How do you get.
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I don't. I mean, I don't love. I don't know what it tastes like. I love having the bottle of it.
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How do you get from Rose McGowan with him wearing nothing on the red carpet to I do psychic readings and make my own jewelry face?
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Oh, her.
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Yeah.
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Oh, because Harvey Weinstein. Yeah. It's a mental snap when someone's like just not there.
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You think all that's still under there or you think it fell apart?
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Her body?
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Yeah.
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Oh, no, her body just fell apart. Her body actually wasn't that unreal. Here she went for it.
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Crazy that she went for it.
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It's like a very. I mean, she has nice body, I'm just saying. But she doesn't have like an unbelievable ass or anything like that.
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So all fine, but nobody did anything.
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Tits are great. But yeah. You're seeing her naked. That was the whole thing.
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Yeah. It is a nice vagina.
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Maybe. I'm sure she has a nice vagina. And she seemed like she was fun. Yeah, like, you know what I mean? Like, you know, she was probably in this moment. She's willing to show up naked. She was probably pretty fun.
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Yeah, she was fun for a minute.
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But yeah, she's crazy looking now. What a loopy loop. But she. But she said Marilyn Manson. She didn't have experience like that. So again. But I think, you know, he may have been like a different per.
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Again.
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When you become a major addict at that point and you're not young and handling it and it's kind of sad. And they were like, I mean, we had friends out in LA that told us like they, you know, the music scene. People that were like, oh, dude, he just eats cheeseburgers and lives in an apartment above the liquor store. Fat and does coke and eats cheese sticks or cheeseburgers all day.
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Coke.
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Like those don't go together.
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It sounds so fun.
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I mean,
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oh my God, I don't
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know what coke feels like, so.
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But maybe you eat more cheeseburgers, Jay.
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Oh, yeah. Faster, faster, bigger, stronger, faster. Cheeseburgers.
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Yeah, it's, it's, it's a weird, you know, because usually when it's a bunch of girls, it's a bunch of, you know, fan girls. And when it's a bunch of fan girls, it's kind of like, you know, what's up?
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You're gonna see Marilyn Lanson finally soon when we're gonna take off, whatever that date is in August and we're gonna go, we're gonna like handheld zoom pre tape a show.
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Oh, that's great.
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From the thing.
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I always wanted to see him and
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it's him and Rob Zombie.
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Is it gonna be. Is he gonna be, you know, like the Cure? You know, is there going to be like Mallory, Marilyn Manson? Like, is he going to be awesome? Is he going to be like back in the day.
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He's awesome.
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He's. The last show is leagues, but it's
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going to be great.
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I just saw him at Sick New World. He was fantastic.
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Oh really?
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Yeah, he sounds like it's a. They have him coming out in the daytime, but you'll. It'll be at a night with.
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Can he come out in the daytime? Is. Well, will he burn up in the sun? Is he gonna have to wear sunblock?
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He's opening for Rob Zombie, not the other way around.
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It's probably a flip. Oh night tonight. It's probably night to night flip. It's the Freaks on Parade tour. They're doing it again. Same thing. It's like they flip flop.
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That's gonna be great.
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Well now again, they're older so they're not fighting on the tour either. They've. Last time they did it too. It's like now they're like.
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But as you said, daytime evil doesn't work.
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Oh well, it's a pnc so it's like borderline indoors, you know, I mean it's outside, but it's inside.
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Yeah, but I hope he comes on at dusk. I don't see his pale body In Sun. Sun.
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You won't. You won't again. It's also a bunch. It's the who was on that tour. The who. The who. Hu. And it. Someone else is actually kind of.
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All right.
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What is it? A who cover band.
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Oh, is it somebody I hate?
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Is that a different band?
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No, no, it's. Yes.
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Different band. What are they called?
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Hu. With an umlaut over the U. I don't know their music at all. I see. That's who's on it. I was. Well, Christine's gonna bring up the thing.
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Can we show up after them?
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There's a list of who else was on it.
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Are we. Are we showing up just from him and Rob Zombie?
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No, we should go. We're taking the day off, so we should go. Tailgate, kick it. I don't care about watching the who. Who else? Are the bands an orgy? That's right.
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Oh, wow.
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Orgy's fun.
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What do they do?
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How does it feel? Treat me like you do.
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We just saw orgy Grammar.
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Stuff I want to take in. And they go.
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Guilty by desire.
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She's nothing more than fiction. But she dreams in digital. Cause it's better than nothing.
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Are they faking the English accent or the English. Yes. Oh, they are. I'm in.
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Put on that. But he really does a full bridge. She goes, yeah. What the Is happening? It's not orgy.
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I knew you loved it.
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No, no, no, no.
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Explains. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Put that pink fingernail down. Now I know why you, Christine, are in love together. She sings those songs to you when
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she gets home frozen. But she dreams in digital. Cause it's better than nothing.
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It's my favorite.
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It seems unreal.
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She's dreaming in digital. I don't know why I love that so much.
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And then the other one, you can put out the Blue Monday now because, you know this one, they remade it, made it almost more popular. Then who was it? New World Order did it first, I believe.
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They look very British.
C
You'll get hyped when he comes out into the audience for this.
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Looks. Looks like a bunch of variations of Billy Idol.
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I'm not gonna lie. I bought in. When he came into the audience, I was definitely around him. I was like. A friend of mine was playing bass in the band, opening for them.
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I do like this song. This is a good song.
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I thought I was mistaken.
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So this is gonna be a night of chubby people in leather.
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Tell me, how does it feel?
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There's gonna be another fat people going, hey, Big J, big fan. Can you take a picture of us? And I'll be like, sure.
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It's gonna be a lot.
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I want to let everybody know that when I take a picture of you and Big J, and I do offer it, and I have no problem, you do get a picture of me, too.
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Bobby, that's gonna be. There's gonna be a lot of people that recognize in both of us, but that is. Are you going to Marilyn Manson? Rob Zombie. It's gonna be a lot. It's gonna be my thing.
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I might actually get a fake Mohawk. Maybe you should, just so they'll think of somebody else.
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Just.
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Yeah, yeah. Like Jamar.
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I'll be like. I'll go. This is Bobby. He's my tech.
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I'm gonna dress evil.
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Are you?
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We should all dress a little evil. We should all dress a little evil.
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Guy liner.
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I'm gonna dress a little evil.
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Can we all put on guy liner?
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Oh, please.
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Let's all put on guy liner. Yeah.
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First of all, if we're gonna put guy liner on, I'm doing it at the venue. I'm not asking Don to do it. She'll leave me.
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I'll do the guyliner. I'll even bring harder so it's sterile.
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What if I look fantastic in it? If I get addicted?
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You can wear it all the time.
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Yeah. Stop wearing glasses, and I just start wearing guy like.
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I'm going to do black lipstick for sure.
B
What?
C
I want to do black lipstick for sure.
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My lips are too.
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I might do some smoky eye also.
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I want to do. I want to do black tears, and I want to do lip gloss.
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I'd love for you to have running mascara.
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Yes.
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Bobby, we have to have somebody come do this. There's somebody who knows how to do this. Good for us. A real makeup artist.
B
What about Christine?
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He's a makeup artist.
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Yeah, but she.
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Runny eyeliner.
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Yeah.
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What would you do? How would you do that?
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I take it.
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She'd actually put it on my eyes and then kick me in the nuts.
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Pull it down. So I'd kind of, like, smudge it down.
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It's not how it's supposed to look. Smudged. It's supposed to look. It's running. And a makeup person could do that.
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This is the gayest conversation ever.
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Running makeup.
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You don't know how to do it. You don't know how to do runny eyeliner.
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Look up a YouTube. YouTube video. How do you make eyeliner run down your face for a runny eyeliner look? Type all of that.
B
All you gotta do is put it on and then put water on it. Let it run.
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Yes. All right, smartass.
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For a runny eyeliner look.
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Don't be a fucking twat.
B
You guys are fighting over eyeliner application. I'm pretty sure Christine could do it.
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Crying eyeliner tutorial. Let's see what she does.
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She just wipes it down.
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Yeah.
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Oh, what does she do? She takes it and she smears it down. She smudges.
C
Oh, wet tissue.
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Oh, my God.
C
That's not what you said.
B
She kind of said that you are. She said smudge it down and then. And blend it in.
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How'd you guys have fun this concert without me? No, I don't want to go now.
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No, I told you exactly how it was. I don't know why you think I can't do makeup.
B
You think I'm gonna go to a concert with Jacob with eyeliner?
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Jay, you have to be like this. You're gonna look positively evil.
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You're gonna look evil beautifully and beautiful at the same time. Jay, Jay, Jay.
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You're the.
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You're the lead vampire. We need you.
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I'll go.
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If.
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If they kill you, we all die.
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I'll go.
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Bobby, that's a great idea. I do want to wear fangs.
B
Yeah, you should.
C
I forgot I have my. I forgot I have my contact lenses.
B
You have contact lenses?
C
I could actually do Marilyn Manson eyes.
B
You should.
D
No, we gotta get you new ones. They expire.
C
They do. Yeah, but they're never opened.
D
I know, but they still expire.
C
Oh, my Christ.
B
I'm gonna have. I'm gonna have to plant the fasciitis. Little slip ins for my boots because I have those. Those black high heel punk boots that I bought at the flea market. I'm gonna wear those, but I'm gonna get comfortable soles so I can wear them all night long. Badass motherfuckers.
D
Another girl smudging it down.
C
Okay, I'm gonna do contact lenses, but you do all that.
B
I'm gonna do smudge, tear eyeliner with lip gloss on these juicy lips.
C
Nice.
B
And then I'm gonna. I'm gonna frame my beard in like Tony Stark.
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I'm gonna wear a black lipstick and maybe something leather on my top.
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I can't wait to see D.J. lose evil. Look, I look great with eyeliner. No, but you have to wear an outfit.
B
Yeah, outfit, I say. I say just chaps.
C
Well, it's August, so let's not go crazy. It's gonna be hot.
B
Just chaps. He can have his little tuss out I'll go shirtless. I'll be in shape by then.
C
Yeah, I'm gonna do like that. I'm gonna do maybe some like the omegas around my eyes or something. Marilyn Mantini. I'm going full fan.
B
Jay Jacob wants to crank both of us out real quick.
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I'm gonna also do. I'm also some tears. Oh, look at that. Oh, look at her doing it with nothing. Her finger at all. You really are a deplorable son of a bitch.
B
All right, we gotta. We gotta wrap it up.
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I have to admit, I know things about hair and makeup.
C
You didn't know what I was trying to do. This is what I was trying to do.
B
All right, guys, can you take. We gotta.
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Gonna be. We're gonna be here tomorrow. We're gonna be here tomorrow live tomorrow.
B
I'm at Long island this weekend. Governors.
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One show a night. I'm at b. Helium. Helium Bifo.
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Right.
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Two shows.
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I'm gonna be practicing makeup on myself at home.
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Christine's gonna be slowly unraveling in the house with trippy makeup unraveling. We'll catch you guys tomorrow.
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Episode: "Noble Poutine"
Date: July 6, 2026
In this bonus episode of The Bonfire, Big Jay Oakerson and Robert Kelly are joined by fellow comics and the rest of the Bonfire crew for a quintessentially irreverent and candid roundtable. They start with a hilarious misheard lyric—“noble poutine”—before diving deep into a meandering but insightful discussion about Marilyn Manson, his legal controversies, the lines between art, abuse, and accusations, and the fallout for both the accused and accusers. The dialogue blends dark humor, personal observations, and moral questioning, finishing on a lighter note as the crew plans their costumes for an upcoming Marilyn Manson and Rob Zombie concert.
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| Time | Segment | |-------------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:05–03:47 | Misheard lyrics: “Noble Poutine” and music banter | | 04:01–15:30 | Marilyn Manson allegations, Phoenix Act, statute debates | | 14:01–19:04 | Analysis of “Heart-Shaped Glasses” video & acting vs. abuse | | 19:04–21:46 | Evan Rachel Wood’s career, motivations, and “Believe all women” | | 32:01–34:44 | Manson’s exes (Dita Von Teese, Rose McGowan) | | 35:31–43:52 | Marilyn Manson/Rob Zombie concert excitement, costume plans |
The hosts wield their trademark irreverence, toggling between dark (sometimes brutal) humor and genuine reflection. They balance skepticism and empathy, echoing the struggles of public discourse on abuse allegations while keeping the mood uproarious with goofball asides, movie references, and costume plotting.
If you missed the episode, expect a blend of:
As always, be prepared: No topic is too taboo, and the boundary between bracing honesty and raw comedy is often razor-thin on The Bonfire.