The Comic Avengers

Summary

THE BONFIRE with Big Jay Oakerson & Robert Kelly
Episode: "The Comic Avengers"
Date: August 7, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Big Jay Oakerson and Robert (Bobby) Kelly dive deep into the wild inner workings of the stand-up comedy community: comic feuds, legendary confrontations, and the unique social dynamics of comedy clubs. The hosts reminisce about notorious drunken incidents, the culture of in-club ball-busting, and reflect on the evolution of social spaces like gay bars and their place in modern society. The conversation maintains the duo’s trademark uncensored, sarcastic, and self-deprecating humor, while offering candid glimpses into the realities of nightlife, gender, and inclusion in New York’s comedy scene.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Comic Confrontations and Comedy Club Drama

• Jay’s Body Cam Obsession (01:09): Jay shares an obsession with watching "pedophile hunter" and police body cam videos online, recalling trends in his YouTube algorithm.
• Drunk Encounters at Comedy Clubs (02:21–06:17):
  • Bobby describes a recent incident at the Comedy Cellar involving an inebriated female clubgoer making dramatic accusations (sexism, racism) as she’s escorted out.
    • Quote (04:48): Bobby: “She accused him of sexual hating women, abusing women. She made it about her being Indian... Wild accusations.”
  • Jay and Bobby reflect on the special category of “drunk white women” as particularly challenging and, comedically, “the worst.”
• History of Comic Fights (06:36–17:17):
  • They trade stories of physical and near-physical altercations:
    • Bobby vs. Pete Dominick at a Caroline’s Christmas Party (07:06–09:26).
    • Bobby vs. Todd Lynn (13:13–15:40).
    • Jay’s showdown with Todd Lynn over joke stealing allegations (10:06–14:56).
    • Voss breaking a kid’s ribs at a Caroline’s party (17:23–17:47).
  • Quote (09:34): "He came up nose to nose... What are you doing, dude?... I'm gonna beat the shit out of you out front right now." — Bobby Kelly

2. The Hierarchy and Social Rules of the Comedy Table

• Inner Circle Dynamics (17:32–22:29):
  • The infamous “Tough Crowd” group’s reputation as rowdy, insular, and merciless, especially toward outsiders.
  • The “circle” mentality—club regulars have their own rules and rituals. Ball-busting is a sign of acceptance, but overstepping boundaries, especially in front of partners, is a major faux pas.
  • Quote (21:44): Jay: “I thought you were gonna turn your ring to the side so you can leave a mark on his forehead. You’re gonna Dutch that motherfucker...”
• Being ‘Too Far Kelly’ (19:34–19:42):
  • Bobby’s own self-characterization as “too far, Kelly” for his reputation of taking jokes and insults past the point of comfort—sometimes then calling to apologize.

3. Fat Jokes and Comic Status

• On Deaths in the Scene and Fat Comics (23:41–24:16):
  • Jay and Bobby discuss fatness as a comedic identity, triggered by the deaths of Ralphie May, John Pinette, and Louie Anderson.
    • Quote (24:08): Bobby: “How does it feel to be the fattest man in comedy right now?... That hurt.”

4. Reflections on Gay Bars and Safe Spaces

• Why Do Gay Bars Exist and Who Are They For? (26:10–41:32):
  • Jay questions the need for distinctly gay spaces (“Pride Bar and Lounge”), suggesting it feels “separatist,” while Bobby defends the concept as a comfort and safety issue for the LGBTQ+ community.
    • Quote (26:10): Jay: “Why would you want to go to a place where everybody was gay?”
    • Bobby (26:49): “To suck a dick.”
  • The conversation goes into exclusivity, comparing gay bars with men’s only spaces, and how history and safety needs shaped these social spaces.
  • Christine’s (Jay’s partner) experiences infiltrating gay bars as a woman, and the group’s musings about women’s welcome (or lack thereof) in such spaces.
• Sexual Culture and ‘Living Out Loud’ (44:00–55:03):
  • Jay and Gabby note that many gay bars have an explicit sexual undercurrent, with open behaviors that historically stem from repression.
    • Gabby (44:11): “All the gay bars... it really is like a very sexual thing.”
  • Bobby and Jay debate how much of “gay culture” is about public sexual expression versus just socializing.
  • Brief discussion on Provincetown, Fire Island, and the subculture of extravagant or overt displays in drag and gay venues.

5. Drag Shows and Acceptance

• Experiences with Drag Shows (56:47–58:15):
  • Both hosts share having attended drag shows, highlighting their humor, camp value, and kitsch.
  • Bobby describes drag as “cartoonish” and “supposed to be fun and funny,” rather than necessarily sexual or political.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Comedy Club drama:
  • “I took Don. I go, Don, let’s go. I took her upstairs... pushed her in the house. I go, I’ll be right back.” — Bobby (08:20)
  • “You guys came in there like Avengers that night. The OGs are here. Everybody be cool.” — Jay (17:32)
• On Safe Spaces:
  • “When you see that flag out front, that is a force field for those other guys not to go in.” — Bobby (37:12)
  • “Can gay guys not suck and fuck each other publicly for five seconds? Or does it have to happen right there?” — Jay (45:12)
• On social group dynamics:
  • “We love when we get together in a team and we get to dole it out. It feels so nice. And then you get individual, and then a young person says something to you, and then you go, ‘You’re not allowed to say that to me, buddy.’” — Jay (22:18)
• On exclusivity vs. inclusivity:
  • “Is there any other place that’s like: This is for one thing—you can come, but it ain’t for you?” — Jay (39:03)
• Dark Comedy on Death:
  • “I hope your kid gets sick.” — Bobby to Jay (19:09)
    Bobby admits, “That was too far. But fuck you.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:07] Jay’s new obsession with predator-hunting videos and watching body cam encounters.
• [03:00–06:17] Dissection of recent and past drama with club drunks; ethnicity and gender in bouncer encounters.
• [07:06–09:26] Bobby vs. Pete Dominick: Christmas party showdown.
• [10:06–14:56] Todd Lynn confrontations: Joke theft accusations & aftermath.
• [17:32–22:29] “Tough Crowd” group behavior, comic hazing, club hierarchy, boundaries.
• [23:41–24:16] Fat comic lineage post-Ralphie May, Pinnette, and Louie Anderson.
• [26:10–41:32] Are gay bars separatist? Why do identity-based bars exist? Jay, Bobby, Gabby, and Christine’s perspectives.
• [44:00–55:03] Sex culture in gay bars, Fire Island and Provincetown stories, drag show reflections.
• [56:47–58:15] The fun, humor, and community of drag shows; distinctions between types of performances.

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Tone & Style

• Equal parts brutally honest, dryly self-deprecating, unapologetic, and laced with offbeat, sometimes dark, New York–style humor.
• Hosts do not shy away from political incorrectness, but regularly self-reflect on boundaries ("that was too far") and group norms.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The life of a New York comic is equal parts camaraderie, competition, and chaos—with clubs serving as much as social battlegrounds as workspaces.
• Spaces like gay bars (or the “comedy table”) exist for both solidarity and safety, their exclusivity sometimes misunderstood from the outside.
• The “rules” of acceptance, banter, and boundary-pushing among comics are precise, unwritten, and enforced with surprising seriousness—until they aren’t.
• The comic path is paved with confrontation, but also self-examination and, eventually, reconciliation—with a hefty side of mean-spirited ball-busting.

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Transcript

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[Indian Clubgoer]

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[Robert Kelly]

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[Bobby Kelly]

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[Robert Kelly]

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[Big Jay Oakerson]

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[Bobby Kelly]

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[Big Jay Oakerson]

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[Stephen Dubner]

And now the bonfire with Big J Okerson and Robert Kelly.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Bobby.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yes, sir.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm back on a pedophile hunt kick.

[Bobby Kelly]

Did you ever get off?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got off with the straight body cam. With a straight body cam for a while. I still dabble in body cam for sure. Body cam all day long. But I pred hunter was out of the mix. They're back big.

[Bobby Kelly]

Are they back big because they came up with new content or are they back?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

They never stopped making content.

[Bobby Kelly]

So you just felt you fell out of it?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

For me, it fell out of my algorithm because I was falling out of it. Going into body cam, it was a little more exciting, the body cam at some point. But they've juiced up. The predator catches now. Now the big thing is you got to catch them in front of their families or show up to their work at Arby's. And when you go, hey, something's wrong with my burger and you hand him the bag back and he takes the thing out. It's a picture of his own wiener or something. You know, it's like, remember you said that to a 13 year old girl?

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, no.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He's like, steve, I'm gonna need a break. I did watch. I watched the body cam today.

[Bobby Kelly]

You got to give him credit though for thinking on his feet that quick. Hey, man, I gotta. I would just. I would just freak out.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I watched a body cam today of a lady, drunk lady being kicked out. White drunk, white lady being kicked out of a hotel. The worst Kind. Yeah, because they. They. There's never a. For some reason, just never a acknowledgement of drunkenness.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, no.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

With white chicks.

[Bobby Kelly]

No, they never.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I don't. Maybe that's across the board, but I mean, white chicks, that for sure. There's never drawings, never case.

[Bobby Kelly]

Because they're the worst. It's the worst people in the world.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Never a second thought to stop and go, like, all right, I'm in a situation that's very escalated that I'm not normally in. Maybe it's me.

[Bobby Kelly]

I would.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I would say maybe. Like. So I do know I have been drinking. I came out tonight to drink and get up, and now I am. So maybe I'm doing the thing. It just never crosses mind.

[Bobby Kelly]

I wish they would take the. You know, the. The white male is getting so much because we're the. The devil of the planet.

[Robert Kelly]

Of course.

[Bobby Kelly]

I really believe one we can all get behind is the drunk white woman.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Is worse.

[Bobby Kelly]

Is worse. Yeah. I think she. I think it's one we can all get behind.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You can have your kid thrown in jail for selling lemonade outside.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, there was a drunk, drunk girl at the Cellar last night, man. Not white, though.

[Indian Clubgoer]

Indian.

[Bobby Kelly]

Very surprising to talked.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Very white.

[Bobby Kelly]

And they were kicking her out. And she. Dude, I've. I've never seen, like, she was a. She was trying to get the bouncer to lay hands.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Nice.

[Bobby Kelly]

And he was. He was like, can you please just step outside? We can talk about outside. Why am I getting kicked out? Why? And then she went into. Because I'm a female. Is that why?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

In Indian, please.

[Bobby Kelly]

Why are you kicking me out? Why? Because I smell like paprika. Sorry, Lou.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You came into it.

[Bobby Kelly]

Paprika. You don't like spice. You don't like spicy. You don't like body butter chicken.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I just need you to leave.

[Bobby Kelly]

Why? You don't like.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm one of those basic big black bouncers, ma', am. If you could just do me a solid and get the hell out of here.

[Bobby Kelly]

It was a thin guy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

My name's John Coffey. Like the drink, but not spelled the same. Let me take that drunk away from you,

[Bobby Kelly]

Dude. She accused him of sexual hating women, abusing women.

[Robert Kelly]

Nice.

[Bobby Kelly]

She made it about her being Indian. I mean, it was wild accusations.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You can't just call him the N word. So you got to dance around it like that.

[Bobby Kelly]

Is it the N word?

[Robert Kelly]

But this is in front of us while a set is going on.

[Bobby Kelly]

This is in the hallway while somebody was on stage. I just saw her accuse him of all these serious Charges. And I stayed down just to be a witness. Of course, of course.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You're the whitest woman there.

[Bobby Kelly]

And then. But she was with a guy and this Indian guy, a little thin fucking Raj.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He was stealing all of your credit card numbers.

[Bobby Kelly]

This guy was such a cuck, dude. He. He just kept going.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Why did the bouncer start fucking her?

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, he was like, hey, no, not that type of cuck. He just kept going, hey, come on, let's just go. And she would slap his hand away and go, no, no, I'm not leaving. He go, can you. You need to leave. No, I'm not leaving. I'm not going anywhere. I'm not doing it. No, because wait, because you, you. Because you're. You abuse women. That's what. And he was like, ma', am, can you please come out? And then her boyfriend was like, come on, can we just go? Let's just go outside.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Not until he abused a woman.

[Bobby Kelly]

That's exactly, exactly what she was doing. Went outside, brought it out front. This is why I love. I love waitresses. Cuz they're so. They're so beaten down by people. One of the waitresses goes, shut up, just leave you. I was like, it. You got to love a waitress.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I do miss the nightly being in the clubs just for like you do now. I mean like I never hear about it anyway, except for a moment like that. But like I do miss like the weekly. Some kind of drama. Yeah, fights. I mean, I remember like the Kurt Metzger fight inside the place and I mean just all kinds of stuff. Jeff. Jeff Leach.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, Jeff Leach. Don't say his name two more times, please.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Sherrod Small, I think beating Pete Dominic into the stairwell.

[Bobby Kelly]

I've done that. I think I've done that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Pete Dominican was there with.

[Bobby Kelly]

I threatened his life at Caroline.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Really?

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, you don't remember that?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I really. It's so funny when you hear stories like this and you just in your mind like, you're like, I have zero problems with P. I've always had. Got along great with Pete.

[Bobby Kelly]

I get along great with Pete too.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

So that one time you almost killed him.

[Bobby Kelly]

We were at the Caroline's Christmas party. I felt a little insecure, you know, because I was, you know, got invited. But it was before anything. I was kind of still opening for people there, you know, it was kind of like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm here. He came up to me, he was drunk out of his skull with dawn, by the way. I'm with dawn, all nervous because I'm When I'm with Don, I'm on, I'm on high alert. I'm protective of Dawn.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You know what, though?

[Bobby Kelly]

I just, it's the way I am when I'm, when dawn is there, I'm always, you know, I know how comics can get a little, say, stupid. And I've been working here, guys, remember, for 10 years.

[Indian Clubgoer]

Were.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Is that what he told you?

[Bobby Kelly]

No. He walked up to me and went, went forehead to, like, what's up, Bob? I was like, what's up, Pete? What's going on, Bob? And then I was like, what the are you doing, dude? What are you doing? He goes, why? What's going on, Bob? And then put his nose to my nose and foia. Bob, what the. And I went, okay, I'll be right back. And I took Don. I go, Don, let's go. I took her upstairs. I hailed a cab, took a cab back to my house, literally threw in the house. I just got to the house, pushed her in the house. I go, I'll be right back.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Throw her in the house. It doesn't matter, whatever that. You don't have to be protector. You're not out once she's back in the house. Your protective times.

[Bobby Kelly]

I threw in the couch.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'll be right back.

[Bobby Kelly]

I took a cab back to Caroline's. I went downstairs, walked down, looked around the whole area. You know, you walk down into the basement, you could see that whole bar area. I looked at, looked, found Pete. I went, Pete. He goes, yeah. I go, come here, let's go. And he goes, what's up, man? I go, I'm gonna, I'm gonna beat the out of you out front right now. He goes, what? I go, I'm gonna you up right now. I'm gonna knock you the out right now. He's like, let's go.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That was years ago, man.

[Bobby Kelly]

He goes, why? I go, you, you cocksucker, let's go. He goes, bobby, I'm. I'm so sorry. I, I, I, I love you, man. I didn't mean to do anything. I I, I, I up. I'm sorry. I'm a little drunk. I was like, you don't come up to me and get in my head and touch me. He goes, I apologize. I'm so sorry. I go, okay, all right, cool. We're cool. And then I left.

[Stephen Dubner]

Yeah,

[Bobby Kelly]

that happened with Todd Lynn one night too, at the Cellar. He was in the, he was at the back table.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I had a Todd Lynn at the Cellar. That was one of the ones I had.

[Bobby Kelly]

He did the Same thing.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

We were outside or. I know I was already outside. He had accused me of Lenny Marcus said that like he stole one of his jokes.

[Bobby Kelly]

Todd stole one of Lenny's jokes.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Lenny was saying that Todd stole one of his jokes or vice versa. I don't even remember what it was. Whatever it was, they came up and they started arguing about it in front of Esty, which was very weird.

[Gabby Windy]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And I don't even know if I said any, but I thought maybe I said something funny. But I just. It's not my involvement at all.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think they were going it. I think I made a joke to Esty. I was like, I don't like it when daddies are fighting or something like, you know, whatever dumb thing. Just to like kill the tension.

[Gabby Windy]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But I'm uninvolved in it completely. And then I was sitting outside at one point and Todd Link come up to me and he. He like does it to come years like to whisper in my ear.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And he goes, keep my name at your mouth, there's going to be a problem. I went, what problem? Again, let's keep in mind Todd Lynn's got that little fucking chicken wing arm.

[Bobby Kelly]

A little fucked up arm.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

So like, you know, circle left.

[Bobby Kelly]

You don't get hit with that thing though. That's solid bone.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Like getting stabbed with a wolverine claw.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah. Watch out for that little fucking T. Rex army. That's solid fucking cartilage.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

So Todd Lynn. Yeah. He was like. And then I kind of got big after that because I was just kind of like, what are you talking? And then he made a thing that. That actually night. I don't think we ever got to the bottom of what it was when he called me the next day to end this because I was irate by the end. When he called me to end it, he was like. He goes, wow. He said in some way or his mind that I said something to Esti and Lenny about Todd stealing. And I remember saying, I don't listen to any of your guys fucking jokes. I couldn't tell you a joke from Lenny or you. I don't watch comedy like that, dude. What the fuck are you guys doing?

[Bobby Kelly]

I'm too busy watching pedophilia.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm watching pedophile on stuff.

[Bobby Kelly]

Pedophile is a bad.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Don't say I'm watching pedophilia.

[Bobby Kelly]

Sorry.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Little boy to come in my face. We make pedophile rock. I want that little boy to come in my face.

[Bobby Kelly]

I want that little boy to come in my.

[Robert Kelly]

Yeah, sure do.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. I'M telling you, man, once we get Jelly Roll to get his eyes on that, he's gonna buy it from us. It's a hit.

[Bobby Kelly]

We should have Josh singing on his Instagram.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

This looks like a job for Josh's Instagram.

[Bobby Kelly]

It looks like a job. How much money do you make a year? Yeah, his Instagram this weekend really aggravated me.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Todd. Todd, Lin, and me got.

[Bobby Kelly]

Sorry.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

What was funny was Artie. Artie Fuqua got in between us and, like, you know, like, chest. Like, chest to chest with Todd, but not, like, in a threatening way to him. Just kind of like, come on. Come on, man. Like, don't do this. Yeah, whatever. And then Todd started telling me how I was lucky that Artie was right there. And then I just went and moved already with one. I'm like, Artie's £112 soaking wet.

[Robert Kelly]

This is years.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And, you know, this is 20 some years ago, too. Yeah, there's already, like, looks, you know, stringy, lanky already.

[Bobby Kelly]

It's always terrible.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I just moved him out of the way with one hand. I go, now he's not in between us. And then it was him and Harris. Like, Harris is funny because Harry's just like. As he's backing away with Todd. I think Todd's his ride. Harris, look at me going, like, I'm sorry, man.

[Gabby Windy]

I don't know.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He just gets how he gets, man. You know how.

[Bobby Kelly]

The thing is, it's terrible when you say something really cool, but you don't think it through. You know what I mean? I did that with me and Patrice, got into a fight one time, and I was like, I'm gonna. I'll you up. I'm gonna. And he went, bobby, what do you think I'm gonna do while you're hitting me? You think I'm just gonna let you hit me, or you think I'm gonna start hitting you back? I went. You make a valid point.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

Then we went and got Chinese food.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Enough of this.

[Bobby Kelly]

And then I killed him.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. I lured him in with Chinese food, and then I killed him slowly with MSG and other assorted sugary foods. You played the long game after that. You go, you know what?

[Robert Kelly]

You're right.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You will hit me back. But you know when you'll never hit me back? As I slowly poison you with your own fucking vice.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, I'm gonna slowly kill you with a Yoo hoo and a honey bun.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Bobby. Bobby got himself fat again just to fucking kill Patrice.

[Bobby Kelly]

That was all.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You became his eating buddy for fucking four years.

[Bobby Kelly]

I Almost died killing my friend.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You almost died. It was maybe it was almost a murder suicide.

[Bobby Kelly]

I'm on Netflix, the worst friend,

[Big Jay Oakerson]

worst friend ever. God damn it. That is fucking hilarious.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, me and Todd Lynn, we're at the Cellar one night and he. He would just fucking rage bait. You, like, just come up to you like he's gonna fuck you up. And I just got him out front. I go, let's go. He goes, where? I go, outside. We're gonna go take care of this right now. And he goes, what? I go, I'm gonna hit you once. I'm gonna one punch you, and you're gonna fall anyway. Bobby, I love you, man. I'm a. I'm so. I'm a big fan. And he started like. Like, really making my self esteem feel good. He started talking about my comedy and I love you.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's what he did. When he called me the next day, he started using words like, we a fraternity man. What the fuck are you talking. You caused this problem in me face, and now I'm looking for you.

[Bobby Kelly]

But if I fell for it, I was like, we are. We have a hand thing. Do I get a pin?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, my God, not me, dude. I just said, yeah, dude, whatever. And we fucking went back to bed being like, you know, high by.

[Bobby Kelly]

I became friends. But it was sad. The last time I saw him at Montreal and I was out in front. This is when I first started podcasting and I would. I first. I figured out how to podcast, like on the road. Everybody podcasted at home. I got the zoom and figured how to do it live at Just for Laughs. And I was in the lobby just trying to grab people for my YKWD at just for labs. And I heard. I was talking to someone. I heard, bobby, Bobby, is that you? It was Todd Blind.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

With a cane.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It was very sad. I felt very bad about that. And that same Montreal, I think it was me and Christine got into a transport. Oh, where the.

[Bobby Kelly]

Was Jim Norton with you?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I don't know.

[Robert Kelly]

I got it.

[Bobby Kelly]

I got it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I laughed.

[Bobby Kelly]

I know, because Jacob had that face.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

We got in the.

[Bobby Kelly]

That's his face, but he doesn't like trans jokes.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

We got in the. In the transport with Donnell Rawlings, and I was like, man, it's tough seeing Todd like that because he's such. You know, even though he's like a villain, he's like a big personality.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That seen him all broken down like that. And he was like. He's like, man, that motherfucker was a piece of shit when he had sight.

[Bobby Kelly]

He was. He was.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But it's just like, yeah, he was. He was just kind of like. I don't think he was a bad guy. Well, maybe he was. He maybe was a bad guy in some ways, but he would also, like. I have weird good moments with toddlers. But I say life dealt him the deal anyway. Because even before he got sick. I mean, that's one of my favorite stories of all time is he got that one or two development deals.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, the apartment. We talked about that. The apartment.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, the apartment. The car, cash fixed up an apartment that wasn't his. And then they just came in and said it was beautiful. $14,000 a month in rent. And he was like, I can't afford that. And they were thinking, get out of here.

[Bobby Kelly]

He did a Coming to America.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, he did a Coming to America. The fucking landlord was sitting in his hot tub. Oh, you looking for them African boys?

[Bobby Kelly]

You looking for that black kid with the one little baby arm that's really strong?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You looking for chicken wing? I call him Chicken Wing. God damn, dude. Todd Lynn. What a rundown memory lane.

[Bobby Kelly]

I've never had a real fucking. I mean, those are probably my only two. Pete, Dominic. But it's.

[Stephen Dubner]

It's. It's.

[Bobby Kelly]

He was just drunk, dude. He was drunk and being. I mean, remember Voss broke that kid's ribs at the Caroline's party?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Is that the same party?

[Bobby Kelly]

I think it might.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It might have been the same parts. I was going to ask. Dude, you and fucking. Yeah, Jason Kanter. You guys were fucking. You guys came in there like Avengers that night. Dude, the OGs are here. Everybody be cool. They're gonna start fucking cleaning house. Voss kicked the guy's chest in.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, you know what it was is that we had that tough crowd shit. And the table thing. So people had this preconceived. Like they. They were scared of us or thought we were. We didn't like them or we were. We would. But we didn't with anybody outside of that circle. Like what? We didn't we with people at the table. But we gave each other more than anybody. Like, we.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Sure you guys with each other. But you were a rolling pack of

[Bobby Kelly]

bullies if you walk.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Are you kidding? Are you kidding about that? You guys almost broke Derosa. I lived with him. I had to build him up every night.

[Bobby Kelly]

But Derosa was one of us. You were one of us. You weren't outside the circle. You were in the circle.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Sure.

[Bobby Kelly]

Pete Dominic wasn't in the circle ever. No, he was never in.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But when he was sitting on the outside. But because of that, when he. If you guys are all going at each other or us, a Pete Dominic comes up and then you want to show us how it's done. So then you guys all will bl. You'd make a Pete Dominic type. I'm trying to. I wish I could remember identical exact stories. But you guys would make somebody be like, okay, guys, all right. Okay. And then it would just leave.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And like, not leave happy.

[Bobby Kelly]

No, we did that a lot. But listen, here's the thing. As I'm saying, they were outside the circle.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Your rose colored glasses on the. On the past here, buddy.

[Bobby Kelly]

But I'm saying you guys were not good people. We were great people, but we.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

When I called you. Not you. When I called Keith Robinson with my excitement that I said, I just headlined my first comedy club. There was people there. There was 100 people there. And I just did my first official road gig. I was the headliner. And it was really. It was great. It was so exciting. And Bobby grabbed the phone and said, I hope your kid gets sick, and hung up the phone. He called back. I called back a minute later and said, that was too far. But fuck you.

[Bobby Kelly]

That was my thing. I always went too far. I was too far, Kelly. And that was what I was known for. Took it too far.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

In my mind. I was just like, I just got Kelly.

[Bobby Kelly]

We all know this now I have first and sixth gear. And even back then, I didn't know. I told you, I said to Patrice

[Big Jay Oakerson]

one day, it's just weird to switch into sixth gear when someone's just calling to be like, hey, I'm a young comedian. I'm really excited about this thing I did. And you were like, give me the phone.

[Bobby Kelly]

You learned a valuable lesson that day.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I did learn a valuable. Nobody wants to hear about your first headline.

[Bobby Kelly]

No. Nobody gives a. Keith.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He didn't want to hear it enough to not give Bobby the phone.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, you. You should. You should have heard him laugh.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I could not.

[Bobby Kelly]

Good for you, dummy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I heard it all the way down in Virginia or whatever the. I was. Something like that.

[Bobby Kelly]

I guess we were a little mean.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, no, you guys are really mean.

[Bobby Kelly]

So we were mean to people.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But I'm saying, I think the point

[Bobby Kelly]

was we were never mean to him.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think what happened was, yeah, this is what happened at a situation like a Caroline's. Here is you guys rolling packs and you're mean. Then you come out and individually, you're separated and this is a party. So now you're off this Is the night for the. The wives, the girlfriend.

[Gabby Windy]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

So Voss has, you know, Bonnie.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You bring Dawn. Everyone's going. And now these guys who you've indoctrinated to, like, as soon as they get in your face, they're like, blah, blah, blah. You shit all over them. You make them feel bad. You make them leave. You make them leave places. And then they say, whose phone is it?

[Gabby Windy]

Mine.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm sorry. You make them leave places. Then they go to the party and they get a little tipsy. And now they're like, well, these guys are always talking to me. And a person like me, who's on the lower level of the circle, I'm on the outer rung at that time,

[Bobby Kelly]

you're in the ring, but I'm on. You're in it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But I can tell them from the thing. It's like if they. I'm giving what Keith told me, they're busting their balls because they like you.

[Bobby Kelly]

They love you.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Like, they want you to come, like, join the ball, bust them. I'm giving that advice.

[Bobby Kelly]

Sure.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

So then they get blasted. And then they go to this thing and you're with the wives, and they're like, hey, what's up, you fucking pussy ass, jerk off, whatever. And then Voss is going to spin kick you in the chest and you're going to drop your wife off. Very, very chivalrous, by the way.

[Bobby Kelly]

Good fellas.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And then came back over there.

[Bobby Kelly]

I threw in the door like a good fellas.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Dude, I thought you were like, Dutch. I thought you were gonna fucking turn your ring to the side so you can leave a mark on his fucking forehead. You're gonna Dutch that, motherfucker. It was a great move, but yeah. And you went back to go. Exact revenge. That is not the part. They were like, oh, I thought these guys were gonna just start making fun of me and doing whatever and whatever it was, but instead they wanted to attack me. Because what they don't realize, and what they probably came to realize themselves eventually, is you guys, just like them, are super sensitive bitches, as we all are. So.

[Bobby Kelly]

We are.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

We love when we get together in a team and we get to dole it out. It feels so nice. And then you get individual, and then a young person says something to you, and then you go, we. You're not allowed to say that to me, buddy.

[Bobby Kelly]

I want to say you're missing a point. There's the circle, right, that we all play in. There's rules that we all kind of know. There is. There is rules. Like, I Did that to you, but immediately called you back and said, listen, I took it too far. Immediately. Right? There's rules that we play by. We're in. Once you're in the club, you know

[Big Jay Oakerson]

that the wives are around.

[Bobby Kelly]

No, he's not even. I don't ever. I never treated you like. I've never said anything to you like that. I've never fucked with you like that. No. I repeat. What's up?

[Stephen Dubner]

Hi.

[Bobby Kelly]

Bye. So for him to come up to me and do that to me and in front of my wife at a party, I would know never to say anything to anybody. I wouldn't fuck with anybody. I just wouldn't do that with you.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Right.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah. So it's like, what are you doing, dude? This is not how we play.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I understand. The nerve. Listen.

[Stephen Dubner]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I go back to one of my favorite things, like, early on, like, barely knowing Karen Feehan. And she posted the thing after Ralphie May died, and she was like, who's got Big J next in the deadpool? I'll take 50 bucks. Him. And I called Louis. I was like, she should be fired from Gas Digital.

[Stephen Dubner]

And she.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And then he was like, take a breath for a second. And then I was like, all right.

[Bobby Kelly]

But I hated it when he died. And someone called me the fattest person in comedy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I was like, now?

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah. They were like, how does someone that

[Big Jay Oakerson]

is worse when the fatters die? The Panettes.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, God. It was Panette. I think it was after. It was after. I think Louie died. Louis Anderson. And they were like, how does it feel to be the fattest man in comedy right now? And I was like. And then that was like, oh, I am. I think I. That's a fact. That hurt.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I was gonna make a joke about Louie Anderson.

[Bobby Kelly]

I ascended into the ranks.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Louie Anderson was gay, Right. Came out of the closet eventually.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, yeah, he was gay.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He was one of the story. He was getting blackmailed, Right. Somebody was gonna expose him for being gay. So he just came out and said it. I think it was one of those deals.

[Bobby Kelly]

That's the way to do it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That is the way to do it. And then he died.

[Robert Kelly]

Still fat.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Still fat.

[Robert Kelly]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Gabby Windy]

That was the same thing with Letterman, Right. It was blackmail.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He never identified as gay. What?

[Bobby Kelly]

Really?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He married a woman after for four months. And then. And then his high school sweetheart for four weeks. He did not marry again.

[Robert Kelly]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

All right.

[Robert Kelly]

Felt like he did.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

All right. Was targeted by a blackmailer. Threatened to expose an alleged sexual proposition at a Las Vegas casino. He paid the hush money out of Concern for his family friendly television career. But later went to federal authorities, leading to the extortions, arrest and conviction in 2000. Tom Rhodes alleged that Louis Anderson had made unwanted sexual advances towards him in the 80s.

[Bobby Kelly]

Tom was hot back then, though. I'm a. Oh, sorry. Sometimes I say things that I think. I apologize. I know. I was just thinking that Tom was very.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

How was Tom dressed? So you're not your victim. Blaming.

[Bobby Kelly]

He was very. He was.

[Robert Kelly]

He.

[Bobby Kelly]

He dressed very eclectic, I would say. Oh, could you imagine, though? Could you imagine?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No. My cock going in that face.

[Bobby Kelly]

His cock going in your face.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's not how it would roll.

[Bobby Kelly]

You don't think it would roll?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

There'd be plenty of rolls. That's not how it would.

[Bobby Kelly]

It would actually taste like rolls too.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I bet he tastes buttered. Oh, I bet he tastes like he's already buttered.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah. Very yeasty down there.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You put him out in the sun, he's gonna get like a crackling on the end. He's gonna get what they call that? A bark?

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, he's gonna have that little. That little flowery flower between his thighs. God damn it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Louie Anderson. Anyway, I was gonna say about him being gay. Did you guys see as you came across. I think it was coming across 50th or walking over. I don't remember, but there's a new bar going up or something. And they were putting up the sign. It's called, like, Pride. The bar is just called Pride bar and lounge. And there was some hanging sign. They had a big, like, a rainbow flag. So clearly a gay bar. It's great. I have no problem with that at all. I'm just curious why anybody? It's like. It's almost like a separatist sort of idea, though, too. Like, why does everybody want to go? Why would you want to go to a place where everybody was gay?

[Bobby Kelly]

To suck a dick.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Well, that's what I'm saying.

[Bobby Kelly]

So I'm saying to do a fucking pump and agree.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, no.

[Bobby Kelly]

Go in that bathroom and suck some dick.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Completely agree. I completely agree.

[Bobby Kelly]

Dancing pool and dick.

[Gabby Windy]

No girls allowed.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah. Beat it. Shirts off.

[Gabby Windy]

There's only one lesbian bar.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I completely agree with that idea. Without a doubt that it's like. No, but I'm saying, like, why make this. I mean, they're making a really nice

[Bobby Kelly]

place because they don't want. They don't want a bunch of stockbroker dudes to go in there. They don't want a family to.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You know, after the families are going to a bar.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, like, like they don't want like a. A wife and a husband tourists to stroll in there to get a Manhattan because it's a.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Because it's a gay bar. Is. I'm think. I think a gay bar would just be like why can't we just have a place where we can go and talk and drink and whatever. It's like that's. It's got to be completely.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

For no. Well exclusively and 100% for.

[Robert Kelly]

To hook up.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Because what's the point? Like why then why not go meet something interesting that's not. Has to be like we all have to be gay.

[Bobby Kelly]

Because they want to be comfortable. They want to know that it's just. They want to go in and they don't want to have to deal with some fucking tourist rolling his eyes or coming in and leaving. Look it. And you.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I don't know if it would make me comfortable to walk into a bar and everyone looked exactly. You know what I'm saying? It's like it's kind of a weird like what is this?

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, I have been to Gay Bart.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah Me and Derosa. It was a nightclub. Gay night at a nightclub. We went because Rocco was bartending.

[Bobby Kelly]

Hilarious. They're fun as.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I mean how many times you've gone?

[Bobby Kelly]

Once a. I think it's once a month ago.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Nice.

[Bobby Kelly]

I.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's a mixer.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah. I mean that's why I take the time off in the summer.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's a recipe so I can have

[Bobby Kelly]

Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday night to myself.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's a real recipe swap type thing.

[Robert Kelly]

There's.

[Gabby Windy]

There's some gay dives in New York like nowhere bar. Boiler room wasn't like clubby but still

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I fully get it. And those places are dingy and it's where you walk in there and if you go to the bathroom there's guys sucking each other off. I'm saying why. Why make such a play? This place is going to be like really nice looking. From what even like the sign and everything on it. It doesn't look like a dive dingy thing. But why make it just gay then?

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, you want just gays.

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[Bobby Kelly]

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[Big Jay Oakerson]

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[Bobby Kelly]

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[Big Jay Oakerson]

Okay, but again, it all comes down to, like, fucking. It's all sexual then.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, I don't think it's. I think that's a part of it, but it's also. You want to go, Was it going to be a bunch of cute dudes?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Are there any no gays allowed bar? Not that I know you. They can't test to see if you're gay to walk into this bar.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, they do?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Your senses are tested immediately.

[Bobby Kelly]

They're like, drink this.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

They go, look at my dingling. What's it doing for you? I don't believe you. Get out of here.

[Bobby Kelly]

Take a shot of my jizz right now.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You're straight. Yeah. Put the tip of my penis in your mouth. Or you're not gay.

[Bobby Kelly]

They don't check IDs. They just make you put the tip of his cock. The bounce his dick in your mouth.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And I almost have more for a conversation point than I really have any feeling either way about it. It just seems like a weird, like, separatist idea. And there's, like, a lot of them.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, I mean, there's not a lot.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Are there any other.

[Robert Kelly]

There's more.

[Bobby Kelly]

There's more regular places than gay clubs.

[Gabby Windy]

Kitchen is also, like, a big gay neighborhood.

[Bobby Kelly]

Like, it kind of came out from Helsie.

[Gabby Windy]

They changed it down 9th Avenue. It's like. It's not really gay bars. It's just a lot of gays. I like, I feel I can't think of a gay bar up here. Like, most of the gay bars are downtown. I can't think of a bar in midtown.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Are you kidding? If you. When we'd come up here, we were driving people from work and stuff. Always. Over there on 10th and stuff, there's a whole bunch of.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, 9th Ave. There's a lot of gay bars on 10th. There's a gay bar on 47th,

[Big Jay Oakerson]

by the way. Have them. I said, is it the. Is it the only, like, bar that's, like, designed towards, like, only like, one thing of people? Whether you call that, like, a sexuality or like. There's no. There's no all men's bars, is there?

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, there are.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Those are like, clubs, public bars, where they're like, we'd rather women don't go here.

[Bobby Kelly]

Those dingy New York bars. Those are usually just dudes drinking, playing darts. Those Derosa. Those Derosa bars. Yeah, those are like. That's like a dude bar.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But it's not.

[Bobby Kelly]

But it's not. You run the risk of getting the kicked out of you. If you're a gay guy and going into a regular bar trying to meet a guy. You might. You might be like, Dude, I'm not a fat. You know what I mean? If you go to, if you know it's a gay bar, there's no. You're going in there. There's no risk just going in.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Hey, why not? Because there's no risk. Of course there is.

[Bobby Kelly]

I mean, aids. Yes, of course.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, there's major, major risks. No, but I mean like those are pretty Vol. I mean, are you watching Bad Boys at all? I mean it's a pretty fucking. They could get pretty volatile and drunk, the baddies guys.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm not watching that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm saying. But you've saw the parts of it I showed you. Yeah, clips like that's like, you know,

[Bobby Kelly]

I mean, I would. Yes. I mean any.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's bar age gay people.

[Bobby Kelly]

But when you're walking, you're not running the risk of running into some homophobic Long island dude who's going to be like, what are you a.

[Gabby Windy]

Or that guy won't enter. Like he's not gonna come in, literally.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think you're in plenty of danger by people that are closeted going into these places. You're probably in still a good amount of danger.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, but when you see that flag out front, that is a force field for those other guys not to go in a bunch of those fucking.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Right, so it's almost the point. I'm saying it's like, it's definitely to keep like some people out. The idea is like this is. This is meant for gay people. You can come in because we can't stop you. But this is meant for gay people. I don't know if any. I don't know if any other businesses but like, like really level towards it. I mean, I guess like you know, a Victoria's Secret, but I mean like it's like woman's underwear. Do you know what I mean?

[Bobby Kelly]

Cigar lounge. Cigar Lounge is pretty much membership the only time I. Well, not all, not all them. Sky Lounge is not. There's very few membership ones.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, there's no women allowed.

[Bobby Kelly]

No women can go. They just, they just don't go.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, they don't go because of the activity that's going on in there. But the activity going on each other off. Going into a gay bar though, like if you're just going like this is the closest bar and I'm gonna go drink.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Do you know what I'm saying? No, no, I know you came, but they really would rather you're not.

[Bobby Kelly]

No, no, I don't think that. I think.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, I've heard that from plenty of gay people.

[Bobby Kelly]

Do we know any gay people we can call right now?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

None that I would have their numbers in my phone.

[Bobby Kelly]

All right, well, let me just scroll through. Yeah, I've been to many.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Bobby, go to your DMs.

[Bobby Kelly]

Hang on one second. Go ahead. What'd you say? I've been to many gay bars and I. They've always been all inclusive. I've never felt. I mean, I was uncomfortable.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

What does that mean? In my sucking and fucking.

[Bobby Kelly]

Did you get that?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Around the world.

[Bobby Kelly]

You got that? I'm not going to make a drop of myself.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

What?

[Bobby Kelly]

What?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Saying I've been to a gay bar and they're all inclusive.

[Bobby Kelly]

You better make that fucking. No, you're gay.

[Robert Kelly]

Get away from me.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm gonna make. Make a song with it.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah. You have me going. I love men. You better make a fucking. Yeah, I've always liked men.

[Robert Kelly]

Just saying.

[Bobby Kelly]

You're allowed there. But it's up to you whether you feel uncomfortable. And I've always felt uncomfortable.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, no, I understand. I know they're not. I know they're not keeping you out. My question is simply. It's not even about the. Is it right or wrong?

[Bobby Kelly]

Comfortable in his clothes.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm not even saying. I'm not arguing right or wrong of it.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm just saying on the concept. Is there any other place that was like, this is. For one thing, you can come, but it ain't for you at all. Like that. Which based on gender or sexuality.

[Bobby Kelly]

Because back in the day, this was. You would get killed. You get beat, you get arrested, you'd get up. So they made these clubs, these little secret gay clubs where guys could go and do their little thing and dress up with wigs and all that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Do their little thing at their little house with their little bike.

[Bobby Kelly]

But now it's so accepted. It's just still. It's still what it was back in the day. You know what I'm saying?

[T-Mobile Advertiser]

What?

[Bobby Kelly]

It had to be back in the day before now. So it's just what it was. But we. They do it this way now because it. But you can. There's so many. It's okay to be gay. Nobody gives a shit.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But you don't need it. There's no.

[Bobby Kelly]

Like, you don't need it, but they still have it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You know, it's the. It's the idea of having black prom. Why you don't need it. You don't need to have a black. They do that in schools. They like black prom and white. You don't need Or I think they do prom, and then there'll be a black prom. But I think there's no need for that. It's like, why you need a black prom.

[Bobby Kelly]

They have a black prom.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Robert Kelly]

Really?

[Bobby Kelly]

I've never heard of that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Really?

[Bobby Kelly]

No, I've never heard of a black. They have a regular prom for prom that everybody go to, and then they have a. What's the difference between a black prom.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No whites.

[Bobby Kelly]

No, I know that part. More fights. No whites. More fights.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And only black lights.

[Bobby Kelly]

I've never heard of that. I've never heard of a black Promises. Black. Black leaf. You heard of it? I've never heard of it, but I

[Big Jay Oakerson]

have seen those black prom videos where everybody comes out like it's a wedding.

[Bobby Kelly]

Isn't that just a prom in a black neighborhood?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's what I thought. Look, maybe I'm completely wrong because I

[Gabby Windy]

found, like, I think that was recent about segregated.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, look up a high school has black prom.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, but I think it's just a black.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It might have been a story. Might have been a story at one place.

[Bobby Kelly]

I bet it. I bet.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm just saying. Either way. But either way, it would not be if someone did. It's just not a necessary thing. It's still. Conceptually, I'm saying forget if it happened or not. Like, you don't need to have a black problem. There may have been a time where it was like, they're not gonna let black kids go to the school, so do you know what I'm saying? So you have to have, like a black prom, but that's just not a thing anymore.

[Bobby Kelly]

Back in the 30s.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, it's not a thing like that. No. Like, worry about having a black prom.

[Bobby Kelly]

I don't think they have to worry about having just a. That make it a gay club. But I think it's. They want to let everybody know that this is a gay. A lot of gay, gay people come here. This is.

[Robert Kelly]

We.

[Bobby Kelly]

You can come, but we just want

[Robert Kelly]

to let you know.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Well, the owners are saying we want gay people to come here exclusively.

[Bobby Kelly]

They want gay people to come there. And they're probably gay owners. And first of all, it's called Pride. Gay clubs make a lot of money. Make a lot of money.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You know that for sure?

[Bobby Kelly]

Dude, I've made so much money. I invested in gay clubs.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, oh, I thought you were gonna say sucking and fucking in bathrooms of gay clubs.

[Bobby Kelly]

I invested in tiny homes and gay clubs and xrp.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I invested in tiny holes in tiny bathrooms and tiny gay clubs to put their Tiny wieners in so I could suck it with my tiny mouth.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, Jacob had it all. It's not Tesla, it's gay clubs.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The club's called Tesla.

[Bobby Kelly]

So. Yeah, I think it's. So when you go there, you're not in shock. If you go to the bathroom, there's a couple guys making out or guys are all over each other. You're seeing. Oh, this is when I walk it. Like when you go to an Irish pub, you're gonna walk in, it's gonna be all wood. There's gonna be some grumpy bartender. It's gonna be, you know, some shepherd's pie bullshit. You know what to expect.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I think if you go to bars or clubs, you'd be hard. I mean, once. I'm not saying doesn't happen at all. People try to sneak off and fuck and do stuff all the time. But I mean, like, it would not be in the masses. It would be like in a gay place where that's happening thing I'm going by. Well, Christine, who's all amped on those places, she would go there to totally infiltrate and ruin gay guys nights.

[Bobby Kelly]

Really?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

Why?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And because they don't want them there. They don't want them there.

[Bobby Kelly]

They don't want girls at the gay club.

[Gabby Windy]

No. I was with gays.

[Bobby Kelly]

Do you. Don't want you like a. What do they call that? An f. An f. Hag.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

A hag.

[Gabby Windy]

The flame dame.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, yeah. Were you. They weren't you like the mama. Like, you know, didn't they. They didn't like you there?

[Gabby Windy]

No. I mean, I think that girls being at a gay club does kind of up the sexual vibe. But I would go to like the Ritz and go drag shows and stuff like that. But I heard that, yeah, they don't love women at gay bars.

[Bobby Kelly]

Really? Like at the clubs, they like the smell of it.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, because I'm telling you. Because it's a sexual obsession.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's like there's not a. When you go to a bar, a thing you be. It's like, I'm gonna go have some last. Some friends, have some drinks. Maybe we'll talk to girl. Maybe some girls there. Maybe something organically happens. Maybe. We're going looking for girls. The gay bar. We're going to the gay bar. Why? Goes. Because there's a chance I'm gonna get butt fucked in a bathroom.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

And I'm looking for the guy that I want to cornhole me. Or vice versa.

[Bobby Kelly]

Right. Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's weird.

[Bobby Kelly]

And then a girl shows up. And one of the guys at the bar is like, I'm having so much.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, I smell poon alert.

[Bobby Kelly]

Oh, my God. I said it's wet cocks down Coc down tune alert.

[Gabby Windy]

My roommates would, like, bring home a new guy every weekend. They were constantly having threesomes with new.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Men.

[Gabby Windy]

And it really is. It's like all the gay bars. It really is like, a very sexual thing. Because there is one lesbian bar, it's the Cubby Hole, and it's a really classic place. It's not really like, gay bars always

[Bobby Kelly]

have cool names, though. The. The Ramrod, the Cubby Hole.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

But doesn't let you feel. But doesn't let you feel like, the fear tactic or not the fear tag, but like, the fear of people who are like. I find it funny. I think it's fucking bizarre that every plate, like, every gay bar is like a fuck dungeon. But, like, whatever. But I do think it's fucking strange. But I do think. I do think it's strange. But that's. You can't really argue when someone's view on, like, homosexuality is just, like. It's this thing because, like, I mean, like, you should make it known about, like, a gay owner of a bar that's just a bar or a club, which I'm sure exists over and over.

[Robert Kelly]

This.

[Bobby Kelly]

This might be something new, though. This place looks a little fancier. Maybe it is just a bar. And there's no. They're not. There's no fuck dungeon. Maybe they don't allow sucking in the bathroom.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You know, can gay guys not suck and fuck each other publicly for five seconds? Or does it have to happen right there? I mean, I'm asking you.

[Bobby Kelly]

I know. I'm just saying. I mean, it pro.

[Robert Kelly]

It's.

[Bobby Kelly]

It's the convenience of it. If you were gay and, like, me and you were at a bar and I was in the bathroom and you were like, hey, what's up, man? You see the Sixers got LeBron? I was like, yeah, I also see that six are you holding on to right now?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's a nice sixer. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, Ten. No, nine. No.

[Robert Kelly]

Eight.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No. Seven. No. Six. Sir, everybody, when we watch a Fire,

[Gabby Windy]

the documentary with the girl, the. The public Access girl, Robin Bird. Robin Bird. And she lives on Fire Island. They were showing clips of Fire Island. I've never been there, and I've actually never seen, like, gay sluttiness like that. So out in the open where, like, the guys are in, like, bikini tops and everybody's purses and everybody, like, it's. And I think it's, you know, put the flag up because it's like, those guys have been so scared and ashamed

[Bobby Kelly]

their whole lives in Cape Cod, in Cape co. Provincetown is. Is. It's a gay part of Cape Cod, but all the gays go in the summer stomping ground.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Christine, to say what you said, though. To say. You said, like, they've been.

[Bobby Kelly]

You went to Provincetown? No, I've been to Fire island twice. Oh, yeah. Colin Quinn goes every year for, like, a month, of course. With his wife.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, yeah, sure.

[Bobby Kelly]

So there's parts of. I know there's parts of Fire Island, I guess, because I've always accused him of, like, dude, you're going there just to get something.

[Gabby Windy]

I think there's, like, a gay side,

[Big Jay Oakerson]

and I think if he doesn't. I think if he doesn't kiss, it's not gay. But you said that they've been, like. Like, repressed or whatever or, like, you know, like, made to feel uncomfortable and sit for so long.

[T-Mobile Advertiser]

Scared.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Sure. But what, like, if the thing is. What you were scared. I thought the fear was, like, letting people know who I am. Let them know that I'm attracted to men. I love men. That's literally the only thing of gay is that, like, I'm not. Or, you know, for. For a guy. Homosexuality is. They like, a guy.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, there's a lot more. There's aids. There's on your dick.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The difference. The internal difference of their feelings.

[Robert Kelly]

Okay.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That they like guys completely. And, like, it's.

[Bobby Kelly]

Hang on.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm gonna get back to where I was. You took me off with that.

[Bobby Kelly]

No, dude. Scared.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Scared and ashamed. But, like, so what you were scared and ashamed of is, like, I'm so ashamed I can't go to school wearing, like, a dick cage and a horsetail butt plug and pointy Madonna bra. That's like a cr. Do you get what I'm saying? Like, the live out loud of, like, why is it going? It's so like. It's like, well, we're doing this because it's like, well, I've been afraid for so long, and I've been hiding the fact that I want to suck off five guys in a bathroom.

[Bobby Kelly]

Is there any way you can get me a dick cage?

[Robert Kelly]

I didn't know.

[Bobby Kelly]

I didn't know that was. But I. Sure.

[Gabby Windy]

I don't know what the opposite term would be for overcorrection, but it's almost like I.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Under correction.

[Gabby Windy]

I do feel, like, the repression of, like, self you don't know what the

[Big Jay Oakerson]

opposite of over correction is.

[Gabby Windy]

You know, to like. To phrase it like when somebody over correct. Because I don't want to say that they're like correcting something, but it's. It's just something where it's like I, I do. You know, people kind of come out loudly and it's not always.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

No, but why is the fact that you like guys also like and look at me in public with pasties on my tits and my wiener to see through something? Well, I don't get distracting men.

[Gabby Windy]

You're trying to.

[Bobby Kelly]

There's different types of gay bars, though. There's those type of. With the birdcage dick, bird cages and all that.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

And you know where. But I think there's other bar. Like I used to live on 47th Street.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That was your gay bar.

[Bobby Kelly]

No. Right.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

He got back from the gay gym. Need a couple of gay beers. If you got your gay asshole torn open.

[Bobby Kelly]

There was a gay bar across the street, but it was more of a. Just a bar. Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't like a. They never dungeon. You know, they would go in, drink. It was a small place and that's great. They would just go in and.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, I mean, if that exists. It's fancy. But everything was like the one. They had to move when we lived in these villages.

[Bobby Kelly]

That was my experience.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

Because I went into the. And I didn't.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I went in there, just money hanging out of my pocket and I saw a siege in my pants.

[Robert Kelly]

When I moved to New York City, when I. Sorry, I couldn't hear myself. I. I first moved in with my. The French roommate. Like, so he said. Because I was commuting from New Jersey, so I was coming from like a suburb to gay central. That's where he. It was where I lived on Gay Street. That was the name of the street.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Nice.

[Robert Kelly]

And the.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The big gay bar down in Manhattan.

[Bobby Kelly]

Right.

[Robert Kelly]

It's on.

[Bobby Kelly]

Right next to the company.

[Robert Kelly]

Sixth Avenue. Yeah, it's like right across on the other side of the 6th Avenue in Gay street. Yeah, I lived there and down on the gay street. But the Gabe. The gay bars, it spilled out into the street. Yeah, the gay really spread out on my street. I walked home and a guy just was sucking a guy off on the steps.

[Bobby Kelly]

I missed New York.

[Robert Kelly]

Massive penis. And I just had to walk because the guy was just. They were both just staring at me like what?

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, but that, that used to happen with straight people too. I mean, I used to get blown in Washington Square park all the time

[Big Jay Oakerson]

and stare at people. You wouldn't try to like be cool about it or something?

[Bobby Kelly]

No, I'd wait till late. You know what I mean? I'd wait till late. I wouldn't do it like.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm saying you'd be trying to do it away from. I'm not even saying I'm. I'm talking about the bar in general just going in the bathroom and while other people are and being this weird like. So the one they moved in the way in these village was like. Like moved at one point. It was like. You went in there before. You said it was disgusting.

[Gabby Windy]

No, but that is, that's actually not why the lit lounge where the moved to was closed because there was a high schooler like her teacher there and they were like letting in underage kids and it's a whole thing. So the actually like moved into a better space. It wasn't actually anything about the.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You said it was just blowing each other.

[Bobby Kelly]

Back in the. Back in the 70s, 80s and up to the 90s, that whole sex, gay club, sex stuff was big in New York City. Like the peep shows were. I mean New York city in the 80s, 70s, 80s in into the 90s was a sex city. It was almost like Amsterdam. It was. People were peep shows, all this stuff. Gay bars were to get laid and. And that's how they still are. I think that's a lot, A lot of that has died, bro. You know a lot of that stuff has died.

[Gabby Windy]

Lots of Malian dancing. Like it is a big drug culture.

[Bobby Kelly]

It's a. Yeah. Different. It was New York.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Listen. Yeah. Now still live out loud. Go get these dungeons and suck and all in them. I'm just saying it. My original thing was just more like.

[Stephen Dubner]

It's the.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I'm trying to think of anything else that. That like. That tries to like, you know, bottleneck the. Their clientele to like one thing.

[Bobby Kelly]

What is that based off of?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I said like based off of like sexuality or something of that nature. Nature race or something like that. It's the only. With the last bastion of that. There's no. I. I've. I've never gone to like a. You know, I don't ever go to a white barber. They've never been like no white people in here. Do you know what I'm saying? It's like they wouldn't be like now I assume in their mind like they're probably most comfortable with black hair. Do you know what I'm saying? So. So they're not going to turn Me. But it's so, it's, it's geared towards black people, but, like, there's not even any minimal advertisement that would be like,

[Bobby Kelly]

I'm sure if you went in as a white guy and you're like, hey, give me a feather cut, they'd be like, what, you have those little weird feather scissors in here? No, we don't have those.

[Robert Kelly]

I was not prepared for, like I said. I was just. Well, I'd seen the movie Cruising. That was my whole idea. And the monster actually was pretty close if you think about it. That was the gay bar, okay. In that area.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I never watched Cruise. I'm straight.

[Robert Kelly]

Oh, it's the best.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Forget guys.

[Robert Kelly]

You've seen the scene.

[Bobby Kelly]

You've seen his dancing.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I saw the scene.

[Bobby Kelly]

The dance.

[Robert Kelly]

You got the gist.

[Bobby Kelly]

Did you see the part where the. When they were interrogating them in the station and they had the big black guy come in and a jock strap.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Bobby watches it once a month and

[Bobby Kelly]

he just fucking, like, pushed him on the ground? You see that scene?

[Robert Kelly]

I've seen the whole.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Bobby watches it once a month before he goes to the gay club.

[Bobby Kelly]

It didn't even make sense. Just this big black guy doesn't make sense with a jock strap on and just smashes Al Pacino to the ground. He's like, what the fuck, man? What's going on? It just, it's like, for what? Like,

[Robert Kelly]

the one guy. I was walking home, and I remember this was like, I just wasn't prepared. I didn't. And a guy and I saw a person in a dress, and I, I, I looked up and it was just a big Spanish dude in a dress. And I flinched, like I wasn't prepared. I just never seen anything like it, dude. I was, relax, honey. I don't bite. All right? Yeah, I guess I never have a great time tonight, but I literally level like a kid like this because I was so freaked out.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, I, I told you, I did Tommy Pope's cooking show. And when I came out, I was walking through the park there, and I ran into the drag parade and I was, I, I, I. It was like half the pat. The park was the parade in the

[Big Jay Oakerson]

bunch of fat guy ladies walking, buddy. But that was a slow parade.

[Bobby Kelly]

I walked in through the parade and I was like, hey, it took up the whole park.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

So fat men wearing heels is going to be a slow march.

[Bobby Kelly]

Well, they were 15 minutes late. One of the ladies with the vest, she's like, it's running late, but it's about to start. So if you're going to get through, get through now.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Everyone forgot to tuck their cocks.

[Bobby Kelly]

There was not one. It was just guys like us in dresses.

[Stephen Dubner]

Of course.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's what I'm saying.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And then always I actually was trying to get through it and I had a duck under like fucking fairy wings every five seconds and bubbles. There was bubbles everywhere. And then at one point it started moving. So now I'm in it. So I'm moving and I have to get past Avenue A or I'm gonna be in the parade for a whole block. So I'm trying to cut across to get out to avenue and I almost didn't make it. Or I was just gonna be in it. I was gonna be in the gay parade for a tree lined street and. Yeah, but I'm looking around. There was not one like, hot chick.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Dude, that's not what drag is, honey. Now and then. Yeah, the, the, yeah. The last drag thing I was, went to was at the club when I was in Arizona. Punch up Live the night before. I came in the night before. And that night they had a drag show there.

[Bobby Kelly]

Okay.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Not comedy in the venue. So I went to go watch and there was, I mean, the, the level of complicated. This gets that one of the drag queens was a fat actual woman who's transitioning to become a man so she can be a drag queen full time. It's, I mean, the, the batshit nature of that. She's gonna become a man so she could dress up like a woman to be a drag queen. It's fucking crazy. That's, that's six degrees of Kevin Bacon nuts.

[Bobby Kelly]

I think. Think part of being a drag, though, is that you're not. You kind of. You can tell that they're not a woman. Right.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I mean, there's. Yes, sort of.

[Bobby Kelly]

I think every drag show is. It's supposed to be fun and funny. Yeah. It's supposed to be cartoonish. Yeah.

[Gabby Windy]

It's supposed to be like very, you know, extravagant.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's not my thing. It's, it's a. I mean, the easiest audience I've ever seen in my life. I mean, the jokes get whipped around these things and everybody starts batting their fingers.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah. I mean, I don't, I don't mind a drag show. I, I've, I've been to a couple of them.

[Robert Kelly]

Why?

[Bobby Kelly]

I went with Norton, took me to one.

[Robert Kelly]

Why?

[Bobby Kelly]

He wanted a salmon. He liked the salmon, I guess.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Who was that? One of the dancers?

[Bobby Kelly]

No, that was. He got salmon and rice. He liked the food. And when I When we used to go to. When I played Knicks in Boston, and there was a.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It's pretty funny to go to a place where it only has dicks to get fish.

[Bobby Kelly]

They. That was a good one. There was a place called Jacques behind Nick's Comedy Stop in Boston, and we used to go over there after shows for the drag show, just because it was funny. There was a guy. There was actually a musician who played piano, and he was good. And then the drags would come out and they were. They were kind of funny. They would. You know, their jokes were stupid and funny. It is a little hacky, but it is entertaining. And I don't. I don't mind a drag show.

[Robert Kelly]

I don't.

[Bobby Kelly]

I don't give a. Doesn't. I think it's fun. Fun. You know, I went to one with. In Montreal, the big drag show they have there, like, one of the most famous. They have it outside in the big. The. The Square. They have the big stage in the Square. They had a big drag show there. I went to that one night, you know, some big. With Dawn. I went with Dawn.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You did a drag show in your house?

[Stephen Dubner]

No.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah. Remember?

[Bobby Kelly]

No.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Remember that?

[Bobby Kelly]

No, I did, yeah. What?

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You were Cupid.

[Bobby Kelly]

Fuck off, dude.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Wearing a dress.

[Bobby Kelly]

Cupid's a guy.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You were wearing a dress, though.

[Bobby Kelly]

I was wearing a toga.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Yeah.

[Bobby Kelly]

That's different.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Just so you know that Cupid wasn't from Old Green. He wasn't from Mount Olympus.

[Robert Kelly]

Fairy wings.

[Bobby Kelly]

I really was. A dress.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

You wear fairy wings and a dress. He was full dress.

[Bobby Kelly]

I was just missing the eyeliner and. And the wig.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

I did full drag.

[Bobby Kelly]

You can say you did one time. Yeah, you did.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

We talked about it. I don't know if we ever find. It's brutal.

[Bobby Kelly]

I have a photo of me.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

It was something asked me when they were doing this. What was it called? The Stand. Stand Up New York studios. They had.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

They were doing a commercial for something. I forget what. And the thing was just. I mean, it was supposed to be like that. I look gross. Obviously I wasn't, like, supposed to be a hot. They wouldn't have gotten me to be that.

[Bobby Kelly]

I'm sure you didn't shave your beard.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

The. No, that's what I'm saying. The idea was for me to be it. But I mean, like, I had the whole makeup.

[Bobby Kelly]

You made your chin with hair.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah. My cheeks and chin. My cheeks and chin would be done with hair.

[Bobby Kelly]

Yeah. This is where it goes right here.

[Robert Kelly]

I just want it on record at the Monster. There that was the Jack dude bar. There were no out of shape guys allowed in there.

[Big Jay Oakerson]

That's the bar you went to?

[Robert Kelly]

I didn't go in. But I mean, I represent. I mean I take pride.

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