
Jay gets his hair "shaped up" for his appearance on Godfrey's podcast. | Bobby makes two bold statements: Richard Pryor's stand-up doesn't hold up today and Red Johnny and The Round Guy were the funniest act of their time. Jay makes him play clips of RJ & The RG and he doesn't quite see the appeal. The Round Guy actually calls in because he was listening to the show. He confirms that they reached great heights in the 90's and tells what he's doing now. | Josh Adam Meyers sings catchy tunes on Instagram about the habits of black people and white people. *To hear the full show to go www.siriusxm.com/bonfire to learn more! FOLLOW THE CREW ON SOCIAL MEDIA: @thebonfiresxm @louisjohnson @christinemevans @bigjayoakerson @robertkellylive @louwitzkee @jjbwolf
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Jay Moore
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Eddie Pepitone
I gotta go do Godfrey's podcast after this. And I have headphones. Hair. Fuck. Fuck. Black people are gonna see me.
Bobby Lee
You really just wanna. You just. Black people rule with you, man.
Eddie Pepitone
I don't want them to see me off my hair game. And it's happened cause of these stupid fucking over ears. How do I not have any of your headphones yet? It's crazy.
Bobby Lee
You did get. You got trimmed up nice for this show. I saw the sides. You got trimmed up for the show.
Eddie Pepitone
Yeah, no, I'm looking.
Bobby Lee
All right, now you.
Eddie Pepitone
Dude, my hair is.
Bobby Lee
All your top is. I don't know. But the sides are tight. You're tight right now.
Eddie Pepitone
Sides are tight.
Bobby Lee
You got everything tightened up for this podcast tonight.
Eddie Pepitone
No, not for. It just happened to catch me on the right day.
Bobby Lee
No.
Eddie Pepitone
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
No, you. You wanted to look right.
Eddie Pepitone
Every other Monday. Every other Monday I go get all. As us blacks call it, Lou. Shaped up.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Eddie Pepitone
Get my shit tightened up as us sticks call it.
Bobby Lee
Bundles of sticks call it.
Eddie Pepitone
Yeah. I didn't realize barbers now. Black barbershop does your eyebrows. And I'm kind of liking it more than like getting my eyebrows waxed and all that shit and all that pain. They just kind of fucking like trim them up. They just trim them. They make them look nice. They just do it themselves.
Bobby Lee
You got some Vanilla Ice stuff going in your eyebrow.
Eddie Pepitone
What are you talking about?
Bobby Lee
You got a little zippity do in your eyebrow.
Eddie Pepitone
What's a zippity.
Bobby Lee
Do you got a little pinstripe in your eyebrow?
Jay Moore
No.
Eddie Pepitone
Does that seem like that's the case?
Bobby Lee
It is the case. I'm looking right at it. Yeah, I see it.
Eddie Pepitone
I don't think so.
Bobby Lee
You got it on the side. You look like a antique car.
Eddie Pepitone
Like a 5.0, which I happen to be rolling in with the rag top down so my hair can blow.
Bobby Lee
Yeah. Look like Greased Lightning right now.
Eddie Pepitone
There was no slice in their eyes. They weren't that cool.
Bobby Lee
No, I'm talking about the car.
Eddie Pepitone
Oh. I'm Greased Lightning. Got you.
Bobby Lee
Yeah. You excited about that? About doing the Godfrey show?
Eddie Pepitone
No. Excite, excited. Well, I mean, no, I'm happy to do. I'm very happy. I haven't done. I've never done the podcast before.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Eddie Pepitone
Because some things I'd love to discuss.
Bobby Lee
Well, it's interesting. What, you know Godfrey. We came up together. He was kind of my class. Him, Cory, Ellie, me dove. I was with.
Eddie Pepitone
You said he was the first black kid in your school.
Bobby Lee
No, he was not my. He was Chicago. He did not go to my school.
Eddie Pepitone
Oh, you just think they all had Godfrey.
Bobby Lee
No, not all of, like, Godfrey.
Eddie Pepitone
Okay.
Bobby Lee
No, no, not all of them.
Eddie Pepitone
All right. Is that the direction the show's going? Because I don't play that. Not on Godfrey night.
Bobby Lee
Is that why I don't have commercials anymore?
Eddie Pepitone
Yeah, I don't play that shit. Not on Godfrey night. Not when I'm having Godfrey night tonight.
Bobby Lee
Well, he, you know, Godfrey's always been a killer on stage. Always kills energy. He's just crazy. And. And then he popped him in. But then he, you know, he kind of ran into that thing where you kind of pop and, you know, it didn't happen. But every, like, a very underrated dude. Gorgeous, good looking, in shape, funny, charismatic, confident. But then during the pandemic, he started going live every night, like, two in the morning, until five, like, hours would just go live. And he built this massive fan base himself just by going live on Instagram every night for hours. And just. I saw it. It went from, like, what was going on. Went from like 100 people to thousands of people watching him at the time.
Eddie Pepitone
What was he doing?
Bobby Lee
Just. Yeah, doing what he does best. Godfrey can yap. He's like, sherrod. They can talk.
Eddie Pepitone
They're not talking with somebody, just talking.
Bobby Lee
Talking to himself. Talking to the people in the room, reading the comments, talking back just by himself. And he built this massive fan base from it, you know, and kind of built a career from A career, huh? Well, he had a career, but, you know, there's, you know, this industry accepted career, which I think we all. And then there's a point where you got to kind of, you know, you made your own bones. I made our own fan base outside of the industry, and he did the same thing.
Eddie Pepitone
I didn't waste too many years trying to get mainstream bones, which I'm happy about. You know, I mean, I don't feel that I have a gut. Like, I always look back pretty quick. I mean, I'm sure I've done hundreds of auditions in my life.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Eddie Pepitone
Now probably not even. But, like, it's almost the point. Like, I've done, like, I hated auditioning. And then when I look back on it, it wasn't a major part of my life. Like, I did it, you know, several times in relation to how long I've been doing comedy for him was just very quickly, was like, I don't care about this.
Bobby Lee
Most of them. Most auditions you go on are pointless. They already knew. They already know the guy. It's already. They already know. It's down to three or four dudes, maybe two. They already know who they want. All those people have to do is not it up and ask for too much money or fail the other day. So it's like we're going in just to fill a quota.
Eddie Pepitone
I just never liked it. I didn't care about this, the outcome of it, for the most part. No. Here and there would be. Sometimes you'd get like, oh, this is for a show that I like or something. Or this is a show that I actually watch, so it'll be neat to be on an episode.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Eddie Pepitone
But for the most part, it was like, you couldn't get me hyped up about a show. It's like, hey, they want you to play, like, a hot dog vendor in a scene on, like, you know, General Hospital or something. I couldn't care less.
Bobby Lee
Right. I mean, everything I got was from the. Already I just got it.
Eddie Pepitone
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, it was. Yeah, you got it. Yeah. You know, I had auditioned, like, as a. Whatever. Yeah. But anything that was worth having, I very rarely did. I. I mean, Law and Order, but that was easy because they did a million episodes. So you. You would go in.
Eddie Pepitone
You were on 996,000 of them.
Bobby Lee
I was, I think, five or four. And I looked different in every single one. I. I went from hair to fat to skinny to bald.
Eddie Pepitone
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, dude.
Kurt Metzger
You.
Eddie Pepitone
You saw them. I get so excited. I see you or Ben Bailey would
Bobby Lee
show up in one, go in for the audition. There's only usually 10 people for your role. Or five. And as soon as you walk out with within 10 minutes, you knew you got it.
Eddie Pepitone
How many comics out there don't like, know out of the gates they don't give a fuck about? Acting had nothing to do with like a crossover of anything else other than doing like kind of stand up.
Bobby Lee
I mean, I've always liked. I've done both.
Eddie Pepitone
I know. I'm saying, like, it was almost expected when you got into comedy in New York. When I started up here, it was like. And now you start taking the steps also towards acting. You're writing a script, you're auditioning for things you're doing. And I was. It all struck me right away where I was kind of like, wait, write a script? Like, for what? What's your story, man? What's the sitcom? I go, I don't. I don't. Never thought about sitcoms. Like, I was like, I thought we're doing like stand up comedy.
Bobby Lee
Well, that was.
Eddie Pepitone
Who's your commercial agent to do what? He goes, oh, I got a Ben Gay commercial last year. Actually paid for my whole year. And you're like, I get. The idea is if you get something, you don't have to work a day job and you can put more in the comedy, I guess. But I was just like, you guys should get into the black circuit. If you work the black circuit, they pay you money.
Bobby Lee
You can do the black circuit or you can just live in squalor like me and have rent be so cheap that you, you don't have to.
Eddie Pepitone
Oh, I live in shit places. I just also. I just paid for. With the black circuit.
Bobby Lee
I lived. I lived in garbage for a long time. But I mean, when I started comedy was with the improv group, and then we got into stand up and then I quit comedy for two years.
Eddie Pepitone
Alan the Sprinkles.
Bobby Lee
Alan the Monkeys. Not the Sprinkles would have been a better name, by the way. Alan the Sprinkles on the Bundle of sticks. But yeah, I quit. I was gone for two years. Billy, Patrice Dane, all those guys were doing stand up. And I was. I made a. I made a movie, then another movie, then I did a play, Off Broadway play in Boston for like seven months.
Eddie Pepitone
Wow. And Meatball.
Bobby Lee
And then I went.
Eddie Pepitone
I thought you'd play special time into a play, Meatball. I mean, ball says what?
Bobby Lee
I. I went back to. I remember going back to the clubs and everybody was working and into the clubs and I had to start over it sucked. Like. Like they were all getting up and they were good. Like, I remember watching Patrice and Billy just kill. And I was just.
Eddie Pepitone
Just trying to figure it out.
Bobby Lee
Nah, I was just trying. They wouldn't even let me on stage. I had to just sit and wait and wait for somebody to get a spot. Sucked.
Eddie Pepitone
It's so funny seeing people now just in life even where, like, Metzger's at. Cause he's like one of my oldest friends too. Just picture us both, like sitting in the back of the Laugh House in Philadelphia hoping to get on all that kind of the small time politics of it all. Like, so and so's coming in and bumping. It's like you didn't even do good on Comic View.
Bobby Lee
I got bumped in.
Eddie Pepitone
We're getting bumped for beefy funny, you know, whatever some crazy name.
Bobby Lee
I got bumped at the Boston Comedy Club one night by. It was Jim Brewer. And then I got bumped by Jay Moore. And then I got bumped by Dave Chappelle. And then I got bumped by Red Johnny and the Round Guy. I bumped four times and just in a row.
Jay Moore
Damn.
Bobby Lee
And they just go up in Murder. And then it was like, all right, you're next. I was like, I think they turned the lights on by accident. That sucked.
Eddie Pepitone
Red Johnny the Round guy never knew he wanted to become major character in Futurama.
Bobby Lee
Well, it was two guys. It was a comedy team.
Eddie Pepitone
Yeah, but one of them. One of them is Red Johnny. Became like a major voice actor.
Bobby Lee
Major voice actor. He was actually the other guy when I was up for Dane Cook's sitcom. It was him, me and one other guy. The other guy who got it.
Eddie Pepitone
Wait, Dane didn't just give you the sitcom role.
Bobby Lee
I told you this.
Eddie Pepitone
Jesus Christ. You play Bobby, right?
Bobby Lee
I didn't get Bobby from Boston. Dane's best friend. Yeah,
Eddie Pepitone
well, in fairness, Dane, maybe he had. Maybe that guy had a crystal ball. Because you're doing a terrible job of playing his best friend in real life to this day. It was a role you're unfamiliar with.
Bobby Lee
At this point, I'm pretty sure all his best friends are playing a terrible job.
Eddie Pepitone
I don't mean. That didn't come from me, Dane. God. You're saying what?
Bobby Lee
No. Red Johnny the Round guy.
Eddie Pepitone
I'm not saying that. Dane. That's not from my Bobby said. I didn't say that.
Bobby Lee
Red Johnny. He's not listening, dude.
Eddie Pepitone
I want to hang out and ride young girlfriends with you.
Bobby Lee
Red, Red, Red Johnny and the Round Guy.
Eddie Pepitone
Fraud. Young girlfriends around the hills with you
Bobby Lee
I'll wait It Out. Red Johnny and the round guy were probably the funniest guys around. I mean, funnier than anybody Duo, buddy. They would come into the Boston Comedy club, black night, any night, and the roof would fall.
Eddie Pepitone
You bring up some rich on the right. I've never heard.
Bobby Lee
I don't. I don't know if it trans. I haven't heard him.
Eddie Pepitone
Oh, here we go. The back pedal.
Bobby Lee
Well, dude, I just watched Prior and I was like, whatever. You know what I mean? It's like, it's. I don't know what that time they were doing.
Eddie Pepitone
Well, dude, that's Prior. This is Red Johnny and the Round guy we're talking about, dude.
Jay Moore
Sure.
Eddie Pepitone
Prior doesn't hold up. Of course.
Bobby Lee
Ask anybody back then. Those guys.
Eddie Pepitone
I always heard that. But I was. I don't know their comedy at all. Somebody. I'm like, why did it not turn into anything bigger comedically?
Bobby Lee
They would murder.
Eddie Pepitone
Look at young Stamos, dude.
Bobby Lee
The world was also sitting next to a young John Stewart, who is not good looking at all.
Kurt Metzger
Yeah, what's up? All right, New York City.
Bobby Lee
Stop, stop, stop, stop. Which one is Red Johnny? Which one's the round guy?
Eddie Pepitone
Left, Red Johny. Round guys on the right.
Bobby Lee
Jesus. All right, guys.
Kurt Metzger
Kids, I'd have gotten away with the treasure. Where we used to sing a little. Two men sing. On the comedy tip, you can bet we swing.
Bobby Lee
Is Jay looking at me right now? I'm just. I'm just wondering right now. I'm not. But is Jay staring at me?
Eddie Pepitone
Yes.
Bobby Lee
Like he's frozen. Like you just farted on him, right? Okay, that's the face.
Kurt Metzger
Well, it's me and Johnny D. And the place is.
Bobby Lee
He is looking disgusted.
Kurt Metzger
Is he.
Bobby Lee
Is he looking at me right now? Looked at the screen and then he
Kurt Metzger
looks back at you.
Bobby Lee
Is he picking something up to throw at me? Sunglasses on.
Kurt Metzger
We like the flow. I said, hey. I said, what do you know? Another show. We got to ride it like a booty in the bedroom Rodeo.
Bobby Lee
No, no, no, no, no. Hang on.
Eddie Pepitone
Oh, remember Howard Feller?
Bobby Lee
All right, so I don't remember this bit.
Kurt Metzger
Just got bust like a Catholic school.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Eddie Pepitone
Stop. No, look, it looks. Ends eventually. It's a bit. Let's get to some talking. Thank you very much.
Bobby Lee
All right, let's see.
Kurt Metzger
Actually, I think, John, I. We're starting to look more like these guys on these video game cartridge commercials. You know, these guys coming off, like, with a new Sega action cartridge. You could go to level 10. Awesome. Two new Power Unlimited level. Totally cool. I just wet my pants, man. Sega.
Bobby Lee
Okay, listen, here's the thing.
Kurt Metzger
It's gonna be off, gonna be off the road.
Bobby Lee
They would come into the Boston after. I'm talking Jim Brewer would fucking murder like crazy murder. Jay Morgan, you're losing credibility.
Eddie Pepitone
Who had a rough time? Everyone killed. I feel like you're having rose colored glasses looking backwards. Everybody killed, but this you can't defend. You've almost tried to move on completely.
Bobby Lee
Next time we have Jay Moore or Jim Brewer and we're never going to get Chappelle. But. Well, you're friends with him now. He loves you.
Eddie Pepitone
We're tight.
Bobby Lee
So maybe I asked him about these two dudes. I mean it doesn't, it doesn't go. Apparently it doesn't translate to 2026.
Eddie Pepitone
Let's watch any other. A little bit of Red Johnny in the Round guy.
Bobby Lee
Not the MTV Beach House 1994.
Eddie Pepitone
I mean, I like to live that. I like to believe Bobby was the only person who ever did that.
Bobby Lee
I think that there's no, there's no, there's no, nothing on him.
Eddie Pepitone
Well, you can take out Boston.
Bobby Lee
Oh yeah, I'll take out Boston. Yeah. I thought they were from. They're not from Boston.
Eddie Pepitone
All right, well just let's go see the one of them in the summer house. What do they say?
Kurt Metzger
Summer videos from Aerosmith, Gin Blossoms. Yeah, tell them also what else we got. Well, coming up right now is a video.
Bobby Lee
Now this is some down the house. This is when MTV was just giving all of us comic to do at Jersey Shore. This is when I did Jim Bruce. Yeah, they were just giving comic stuff to do at the Jersey Shore, buddy. They are, buddy.
Eddie Pepitone
They were go back to their other set. It wasn't over yet. On Jon Stewart.
Bobby Lee
Well, maybe, you know, if you wonder.
Eddie Pepitone
We were at the Sega bit.
Kurt Metzger
That's why the devil does the heavy metal concert promotion.
Jay Moore
Yeah.
Kurt Metzger
FM radio every five minutes. This is what you hear this weekend at Madison Square Garden. Metal fury of a 1993 Tortured Puppies tour.
Bobby Lee
I do remember this, right?
Kurt Metzger
Be disrespectful to your parents. Be mean to small animals. Oh, tortured puppies.
Bobby Lee
Torture puppies.
Jay Moore
Be there.
Eddie Pepitone
Pause. This must have sucked to have to do every night. I don't even know the art. This must have sucked to have to do every night.
Bobby Lee
Well, you have to wait for the other guy too. Make sure he shows up.
Eddie Pepitone
Yeah, you're having a rhythm. You have to work out your fucking rhythm together.
Bobby Lee
Don't have the. If you don't have the wow guy, you really can't just do it.
Eddie Pepitone
No, Absolutely not. I'm saying. And if they're off just a pigos. Dude, my timing's off and I'm figured you're both of us up, man.
Bobby Lee
Well, you're us both up. Yeah, they used to come in and kill. Dude, give me even more. No.
Kurt Metzger
All right.
Bobby Lee
Thank you.
Kurt Metzger
All right.
Bobby Lee
Thank you very much. Thank you.
Kurt Metzger
Y' all go to church a lot? Y' all really?
Bobby Lee
Church?
Kurt Metzger
Church or temple or sacrifice altar or voodoo kitchen, everybody.
Jay Moore
Yeah.
Kurt Metzger
I tell you, I get the feeling a lot of people don't make it to church anymore. You know why? They need a strong advertising campaign. Sure. Especially in New York City, right? Definitely. We have just the thing to get people to go to church. Get the butts and the pews. Here we go. Ready? Oh, man. Another boring Sunday and nothing to do. Hey, man, why don't we go to church? Church. Come on out of church this Sunday. There's no cover. Doors open at noon and you can jam with a madman. Father Murphy. It's all happening at church. Church, church, church. Free wine shots from 21 and 5 to 6 at church.
Eddie Pepitone
You love it.
Kurt Metzger
Ladies, don't forget about the big Bake off after mass to see who's got the hottest buns in the parish. It's happening this Sunday and every Sunday at church, church, church, church. If you don't want to go to church, then you can go to hell. That's our time, everybody. We're not giant Rocky. We'll be saying this.
Jay Moore
I'm just going to tell you.
Jacob
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Eddie Pepitone
How short Jon Stewart is.
Bobby Lee
He's really short, man.
Eddie Pepitone
Motherfuck.
Bobby Lee
He is so short.
Eddie Pepitone
Jesus Christ. He's even like a cricket.
Bobby Lee
I've seen him in real life.
Kurt Metzger
He's not tall. He's so small.
Bobby Lee
No, I just saw him at the seller like a couple weeks ago. He's very short.
Eddie Pepitone
Christ.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Eddie Pepitone
Red Johnny, seven feet tall.
Bobby Lee
Yeah. All right, well, you know what?
Eddie Pepitone
Going up. Tell me that again. They were your biggest inspiration.
Bobby Lee
No, no, no, you have to follow.
Eddie Pepitone
You go. I'd have to follow that.
Bobby Lee
Dude, following those guys sucked.
Eddie Pepitone
Did it?
Bobby Lee
Well, you gotta understand too. They're very in a club.
Eddie Pepitone
Hang on, I'm listening to Michael Winslow, the greatest comic, the hardest comic to follow.
Bobby Lee
First of all, that's my, that' my bit, by the way. That's my bit.
Eddie Pepitone
Oh, Now, dude, you're a total Red Johnny and round guy head.
Bobby Lee
We would talk about this outside how like I told you, I was watching Prior. Look, I'll respected Prior. I love Prior. I love his live in concert. Love that. That's my favorite special. But I've seen other clips of him. I just saw one the other day. He's in a white suit and, and he, he acted all this stuff, but it was like. It just didn't. It's not funny to me anymore. It's not, it's not holding up.
Eddie Pepitone
It's about holding up.
Bobby Lee
Doesn't always hold up.
Eddie Pepitone
Plenty of comedy doesn't hold up.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, it's like. That was right out of like Bobby Collins, Rosie Richard Jenning. It was right out of the way. Jenny. When they were all really. Every joke was precise, quick. That was right. That was right out of that. That's when you got like Brewer and Chappelle and Jay Moore and that type of comedy. But like Jay, I mean, Jay, I saw his comedy recently. He's funny. He's, he's, he kept up.
Eddie Pepitone
Who's this? Jay Moore as stand up? Yeah, I haven't seen a stand up in a long time.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, he's funny, man. He's still, he's still funny, I think.
Eddie Pepitone
But again, you have to remember, like what you have available at the time.
Bobby Lee
That one right there for me, the
Eddie Pepitone
information in the world that we had. Do you know what I'm saying? It the way it's like what they were working with.
Bobby Lee
No white suit, go up, white suit. That's black and white.
Eddie Pepitone
What they were working with. Yeah, like this is, this is a reaction video though.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, but watch the bit. It's, it's like, I, I don't know if this is the bit, but let me listen really quick, sir. Okay. Yeah, it was like I was watching this set and it was like,
Eddie Pepitone
yeah, well, look, again, it's also, they're not like, like it's also a time when everyone was also on drugs and stuff
Bobby Lee
a lot, but they were going from before him. They were going from like, you know, Lenny Bruce. Yeah, like Lenny Bruce or, you know, Bill Cosby or, you know, like talking or swearing or. That was like, oh, my God, Bob Newhart. Bob Newhart. Button down mind. That was a for sure.
Eddie Pepitone
That's what I'm saying. But like Richard Martin. No, Richard Price. I said all with everything, dude. It happens in sports too. One, the new things don't exist without the old things.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Eddie Pepitone
And the first person to do something a little bit different in the. Should get all the credit, but they're never going to be the best at the thing because it now evolves. People know from the beginning. The reason Hoist Gracie in the UFC right away came in there and took every professional fighter in the world and just broke their arm real quick is because no one even heard of it. Now there's a kid who would have been a world class boxer who learns jiu jitsu when they're five years. You know, I'm saying it evolves. So Hoist Gracie is nowhere near great.
Bobby Lee
Well, there's a guy who wrestles jiu jitsu, he's a black jiu jitsu wrestler, boxer. They know it all.
Eddie Pepitone
It's evolved. So it's like, well, Hoist Gracie wouldn't walk through the UFC at his best. At his best.
Bobby Lee
Well, you know Hickson, Gracie's son, who is the. I mean, just Hickson was the best. Gracie better than Hoist better than anybody. They put Hoist in because he was the smallest and thinnest. Just to prove a point that we're not going to put Hickson in who will murder everybody. We're going to give you this one. And he went and did it.
Kurt Metzger
It.
Bobby Lee
But Hickson's son was unbelievable. Like, like killing it in, in jiu jitsu world, which is a whole nother world. He came into the UFC and got handled right.
Kurt Metzger
Yeah.
Eddie Pepitone
Because he's only learned one thing. Yeah.
Bobby Lee
He doesn't know how to throw a punch.
Eddie Pepitone
He's great at that. And if you can catch people, you can catch him. So it's almost that like Richard Pryor did great with like the tools that was given him at the time, the information in the world, you know, I mean it's like the, the, the, the situation, like life kind of moves on. Like things don't.
Jacob
It's.
Eddie Pepitone
Something's gonna seem hacked no matter what. Because Richard Pryor is saying things now with the evolution of humor that a 13 year old kid thinks of and says and thinks it's his own thought, you know what I mean? Because it's like, oh, he has this thoughts. It's a 13 year old prior changed
Bobby Lee
the world in comedy. He went from, you know, corny, clean people shit to real life and cool being cool. I got burnt. I lit myself fire doing. I shot my car. I mean he's, he's totally the guy that. I love that style of comedy. But it was just when I was coming up, I would listen to Pryor's albums and like dying. But my comedy, he's involved like, yeah,
Eddie Pepitone
I did that with a 2000 year old man and then he goes, take a nectarine for the road. It doesn't really strike me anymore like it used to.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, I did that with the button down mind, the invention of tobacco or something like that.
Eddie Pepitone
Yeah.
Bobby Lee
And I was like, oh my God, this is genius. Laugh my ass off.
Eddie Pepitone
I'm like Carl Reiner now. While considered a satirist, I feel I love Steve Martin.
Bobby Lee
Back in the day, I thought it was funny. I don't.
Eddie Pepitone
Wouldn't hold up.
Bobby Lee
Doesn't hold up. Arrow in the head doesn't hold up.
Eddie Pepitone
It doesn't hold up.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, no, it doesn't.
Eddie Pepitone
Anything Robin Williams ever did comedically doesn't hold up at all.
Bobby Lee
But I think like Patrice still holds up to me. Like, I'll watch his special and I still laugh.
Eddie Pepitone
Absolutely. I don't know if down the line, new generations listening to Patrice will appreciate how good he Was gonna be.
Bobby Lee
Gonna be, yeah.
Eddie Pepitone
Do you know what I'm saying? But they're always gonna. He was funny, but, like, I don't know if he'll stand out yet because, like, we just kind of knew. The people around him all kind of knew. We were like, yeah, this guy. Because he's like, oh, he's 41. When he died. Yeah, I'm 48.
Bobby Lee
I watched Bernie Max Set. Bernie Max Set. When you know I ain't afraid of you. The jokes aren't that funny. No, it's not. If you look like.
Eddie Pepitone
I watched that all confidence.
Bobby Lee
First time I watched it, I'm like, this is hilarious. I watched it last night. I'm like, oh, these jokes are kind of not even good. What is it? Oh, round guys online. Oh, good. Let him in.
Eddie Pepitone
Let him.
Bobby Lee
Let him. Let him on. Is he on the phone?
Eddie Pepitone
I don't know.
Bobby Lee
Let him on. Is he listening? Bobby, what's up, buddy?
Jay Moore
Bob, how are you?
Bobby Lee
What's up, buddy? How are you?
Jay Moore
I'm good, Bob, I swear to God. Do you remember? We played a gig. It was Dane and you. I think it was out on the Monkeys. I don't know if we opened for you or you guys. It was in Massachusetts or at a college. Do you remember that? No, I'm not kidding.
Bobby Lee
No.
Jay Moore
All right.
Bobby Lee
No.
Jay Moore
So listen, that. That. That YouTube video you guys are talking about is. I cringe every time.
Bobby Lee
Well, can I just say something?
Eddie Pepitone
I. I appreciate that. I've been there. I've been there.
Bobby Lee
You have to remember. I was at the Boston, and it, like. I remember one night. One night I was there, and I swear to God, I got bumped by Brewer, J. Moore, then Chappelle, and then. And I thought it couldn't get worse, but then somebody was like, hey, Red Johnny. And the round guys coming in, like, what's that? And you guys came in and fucking ripped the roof off the place. And I was. You guys were.
Jay Moore
Bob, there were a couple nights just what you said. That was the lineup. It was like, yeah, J. Brewer, and then Chappelle and then us. And then Chappelle would have, like, john, get up. I mean, that was. It was crazy. Live. You're right. That did not translate.
Bobby Lee
The open.
Kurt Metzger
The.
Bobby Lee
The guys. Who were the new guys? The new guys were like, Billy Bird, Norton Me, Patrice. We were like, waiting in the wings to kind of get up in the middle of this.
Eddie Pepitone
It was all Barry clients, right?
Bobby Lee
All Barry cats. They were Barry.
Jay Moore
You guys were very clients.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, he had. He had every. Every comic in the world worth having. All at the same time.
Eddie Pepitone
Until the. Literally until the. Until the me, Kurt, Kevin Hart era. And Kevin's his biggest whiff on that. Yeah, but like, but when the three of us, when the three of us came up, Barry was like already like past, like getting new people like that.
Jay Moore
Well, you know what, Jay? I watch you on Kevin Hart. I listen to you. Huge fan. I think you're doing amazing stuff.
Eddie Pepitone
Thank you.
Jay Moore
No, honestly, even though you shit on me,
Bobby Lee
the guy that didn't shit on you.
Eddie Pepitone
Hey, yeah.
Bobby Lee
Is there any compliments in the guy that didn't shit on you.
Eddie Pepitone
Bobby was ashamed of you. But also. Don't worry, don't worry. We have watched non stop videos of me and Bobby doing young comedy and eating all kinds of shit.
Jay Moore
But you know what it is with Bob, I feel like if I had only stayed in it, I could have been a success. A working comedian at a level that got me a. A summer house in New Hampshire.
Bobby Lee
Tiny house. I'm pretty sure you can do that.
Eddie Pepitone
And you can do it with whatever you're doing.
Bobby Lee
I'm pretty sure Jacob can do that.
Jay Moore
Let me, Let me tell you something. I'm. I'm just a civilian. I. I love listening to you guys. You bring up stuff. Jason, the agents are you guys. Let me ask you a question. You talk about Frosty. Are you talking about Matt Frost?
Bobby Lee
Yeah, Matt Frost managing. No, Matt Frost, he is the head agent on the east coast of caa.
Eddie Pepitone
He's Bobby's personal assistant.
Bobby Lee
He's still my agent.
Jay Moore
Oh my God.
Bobby Lee
I'm the only client that's never left him. He was Barry Katz assistant. And then he worked the door at the club and then he moved into. He moved up to like a. Like a assistant manager. Me and Coryelli was his first clients. And then he bought the company from Barry Katz, New York Entertainment.
Jay Moore
It. Well, I don't know. You remember like Matt that was like Daytona. Barry met him, it was like spring. Mtv Spring break break. We did like crowd the crowd work before taping. And that kid would slay like, you know, just insane and big career.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Jay Moore
No Matt Frost.
Eddie Pepitone
Oh, Frosty. Oh, he had the long hair. You said long hair.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, he was a good looking gu.
Jay Moore
Something. Yeah.
Eddie Pepitone
Why did, why did you guys stop doing. Stop doing stand up?
Jay Moore
So I don't know if you know this, right? So really what it came down to was Johnny started booking. He was killing it. Started bucket voiceovers, national commercials, Wendy's. And then he was getting. He did like Chicago Hope. He was getting acting work and you know, he Was like, yeah, I don't need this bullshit.
Eddie Pepitone
And you know how it is.
Jay Moore
It's comedy theme. But the same thing happened to me, love. I don't care.
Bobby Lee
The same thing happened to me with Dane. Yeah, I remember we're at a. We're at a hojo's one night, and we had a gig as Al the Monkeys and Dane came in and go, hey, I just booked my own gig. And I was like, well, Al and the Monkeys, we said, always comes first. And he goes. I go, how much you getting paid? He goes, 500. He goes, how much we getting paid for Al the monkeys? I went, 500. And I went, all right, well, the gate. The group's over. And he left. And then he skyrocketed.
Jay Moore
But you killed it on torgasm, bro.
Bobby Lee
Oh, God, did I ever. I really did.
Eddie Pepitone
A lot of people call it the beginning of the end.
Bobby Lee
Where are you now, dude?
Jay Moore
Well, listen, I'm. Like, I said, I'm a civilian. I live in Connecticut. I got a civilian job, you know?
Bobby Lee
Do you still talk to him? Do you guys still talk? Are you friends?
Jay Moore
No, no, no. You know, that. And in the end, it was, like, not a great separation of ways, but
Bobby Lee
I'm gonna go through. I'm gonna throw this out here because I don't talk to Dan anymore. Yeah, we start a group, me and you.
Jay Moore
All right.
Bobby Lee
We started back up, I think. Jay, you got a name for it?
Jay Moore
Yeah, like, yeah, Bobby and the. Listen, you guys are killing it. Thank you for taking my call. It was great talking to you.
Eddie Pepitone
Of course.
Jay Moore
I really enjoy listening to you guys. You guys are the best. I really, honestly, I, I. I really enjoy it.
Bobby Lee
Listen, all right. I still say you guys, at the time, hands down, everybody was afraid of following you.
Eddie Pepitone
Chappelle, all of us, as a comic who came in. I said, I came in, like, 99. And, like, it was sort of like a little bit just right after that time. That's why I swim, Patrice. And everybody was kind of coming up and becoming the bigger dogs. Yeah, but, I mean, that was always the talk. Yeah, it was a Jay Moore's, like, the Boston Comedy Club. Jim Brewer. Jay Moore. And then, like, you know, then Keith would inject himself. Me, Keith. Pudgem Robinson. Pudgem.
Jay Moore
That's so funny seeing, like, what, Lewis Schaefer. Not gay.
Eddie Pepitone
Not gay.
Jay Moore
I love seeing Wanda Sykes. Like, everybody made such a. A great career. It's. You know what? God. God puts us in different places, but it's exciting to see what. What everybody's done so well.
Bobby Lee
You Guys, man, you guys were killing it back then and you know. Yeah, absolutely.
Jay Moore
Jay said it. I mean, people come out, they do something different and new.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Jay Moore
And you know, you. You see it happen. Thanks, guys. Good talking to you.
Eddie Pepitone
Great talking to you.
Bobby Lee
Talking to you too. Bye.
Jay Moore
God bless. Bye. Bye.
Eddie Pepitone
Round guy.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, he was. Yeah, dude, I'm telling you.
Eddie Pepitone
So if I didn't know him. So when he was start talking about. I thought you were being pranked. Like, I thought was pranking you.
Jay Moore
Yeah.
Eddie Pepitone
First. But he was like, we did this
Bobby Lee
show and you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were. They were cool as. And I, I actually. Yeah, I never knew where he went. That's funny. I'm glad that I. He kind of. He's in Connecticut living his life.
Eddie Pepitone
And listen, it's also at a time where a couple of white dudes doing rap was pretty cool. It's never more embarrassing than what was the thing we talked with that. That's Teen Witch. We were watching that thing. I mean, like, those guys have to live with that. That guy became an actor in other things. The guy who does the rap in Teen Witch.
Bobby Lee
Top that.
Eddie Pepitone
Top that.
Bobby Lee
Well, I think we've all learned that we have something good. And, you know, you have these things, these duos or groups that do really good. And then there's guy that goes, hey, I'm going to go do my own thing.
Eddie Pepitone
Well, this is a different kind of thing you do. You ruin all my fun.
Kurt Metzger
Every.
Bobby Lee
Things are going great. There's one guy that's like, hey, I think I'm going to go do my own thing.
Eddie Pepitone
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're all sitting in the. It's in the old folks home with Dane Cook, Red Johnny and Soder.
Bobby Lee
No one can just ride it out to the end.
Jay Moore
What is this?
Eddie Pepitone
This is what they thought rap was in the 80s and a white guy was allowed to just do it. You know what's really awful is they had to have. It seems like a black guy did the voice and this guy's just like lip syncing it. But like, it's. It's pretty weird though, to have him like lip sync. Like just have him do it.
Bobby Lee
He can't. He's white. Oh, that a. That's a black girl voice.
Eddie Pepitone
Right?
Bobby Lee
This is the most uncomfortable thing I've ever watched.
Eddie Pepitone
Why? Because you don't like heterosexual love?
Bobby Lee
I don't like suburban rappers.
Eddie Pepitone
Yeah. No one does.
Bobby Lee
No one likes a cul de sac rap group.
Eddie Pepitone
But this guy has the confidence of Dane Cook, a young Dane Cook.
Commercial Announcer
Oh, it says that they performed it themselves.
Bobby Lee
Stop it. Really? Wow.
Eddie Pepitone
I mean, that was heavily studioed though.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Kurt Metzger
This is more of a black person thing to do.
Bobby Lee
I love you so much, DJ Lou.
Commercial Announcer
Holy
Kurt Metzger
Holocaust denial.
Bobby Lee
So we have to have an intervention, dude.
Eddie Pepitone
Why? He's having fun. He's getting these. Getting tons of views.
Bobby Lee
I mean, they're catchy too.
Kurt Metzger
Probably a black dude, fat white woman and she's a black dude.
Bobby Lee
Probably a black dude, fat white woman and she's a black dude. It's all what black people do though.
Eddie Pepitone
He really has hit a. He's hit a stagnation wall of topics for sure.
Bobby Lee
Yeah, he really did find a vein of black people stuff.
Eddie Pepitone
I think there's one that also goes. This is such a white person thing to do.
Bobby Lee
Yeah. Why don't you do the gay one? Why you do the bag of stick one?
Eddie Pepitone
This is such a gay thing to do.
Bobby Lee
When I was going through it to pull drops, I gotta tell you, I was laughing though.
Eddie Pepitone
Were you at the. At the things.
Bobby Lee
The formula is great, but I. I was laughing.
Kurt Metzger
I couldn't stop.
Eddie Pepitone
No, it's. Josh is like. It's his strength.
Bobby Lee
No, there's one. I. I actually laughed at one of them too. There was one that got me. I was watching it one day to hate it and then he got me.
Commercial Announcer
Yeah.
Eddie Pepitone
If you just keep watching something to hate, eventually you're going to just chuckle. Cuz he's.
Bobby Lee
How does he do the little green. Does he have a green screen? What is this?
Eddie Pepitone
I don't know.
Bobby Lee
Somebody's doing it for him. I thought this was the white people thing to do, but it's not. No.
Eddie Pepitone
Oh, there's a. That might be it. A very white person to do right here. Yeah. Maybe.
Bobby Lee
If he becomes famous from this. It would make me so happy. If he has the tour with a green screen.
Eddie Pepitone
You gotta look at white things. It looks like it could be right there.
Commercial Announcer
Right here.
Eddie Pepitone
No, that's a titty one. Clearly.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Eddie Pepitone
Up there.
Bobby Lee
Oh yeah. Just holding horses. This is Jacob's dream Heaven.
Jay Moore
A thing to do.
Bobby Lee
You never see a black.
Eddie Pepitone
He's my third favorite recording artist of all time.
Bobby Lee
We should sign him on the Bonfire record labels right now.
Eddie Pepitone
Bonfire Records.
Bobby Lee
Bonfire Records right now.
Eddie Pepitone
Yeah. Scoop this kid up.
Bobby Lee
Scoop him up before he dies.
Kurt Metzger
Call it NBA Young Biscuit.
Bobby Lee
Oh yeah. He just jams words together.
Eddie Pepitone
I tell you what, this is what he's doing now on all over social media is what I have a good time just laughing with Josh. Doing in a car.
Bobby Lee
Yeah.
Eddie Pepitone
He's nailing it. He's doing good.
Bobby Lee
He's nailing it. All right, we gotta go.
Eddie Pepitone
Oh, God. Oh, deary.
Bobby Lee
Time's over.
Eddie Pepitone
What a day.
Bobby Lee
Good day.
Eddie Pepitone
Good day, everyone. Two shows. You'll enjoy the pre record tomorrow. We'll be back live for you at 5. Live at 5.
Bobby Lee
Live at 5.
Eddie Pepitone
And then next week's vacation for Bobby.
Bobby Lee
Oh, come on.
Eddie Pepitone
I decide just to put my head down and do the work that needs to get done.
Bobby Lee
I would have. I would have put my head down to you. You said we were taking.
Eddie Pepitone
You need to spend time with your family, dude. I'm on the grind, buddy.
Bobby Lee
I would have been here.
Eddie Pepitone
I'm what they call on the grind.
Bobby Lee
Whatever. It bugs me too. Really does bug me, dude.
Eddie Pepitone
You'll be with your family.
Bobby Lee
If I.
Eddie Pepitone
Probably way more fun.
Bobby Lee
If I had said to Jim, hey, Jim, I'm just gonna work this week, he'd be like, no, take it off.
Eddie Pepitone
No, don't you dare.
Bobby Lee
You know what? Take a vacation.
Eddie Pepitone
We'll see you guys tomorrow. Crackle, crackle.
Jacob
Hey there.
Bobby Lee
It's Stephen Dubner, host of Freakonomics Radio. And we have just made a new show, a TV talk show. It's called Better in Person. We have the kind of guests you don't see on every other show, and we have the kind of conversations you don't hear anywhere back. I'm like, yes, chef. Be home with the pork. You have the opportunity to make this little corner of the world into your ideal world, your dream world. You can watch Better in Person on the Freakonomics YouTube channel. You'll find a new episode there every week. This is how a conversation works.
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Original Air Date: August 12, 2026
Summary by Podcast Summarizer
In this lively and nostalgia-packed episode, Big Jay Oakerson and Robert Kelly are joined by comedians Eddie Pepitone, Kurt Metzger, and guest Jay Mohr. Together, they reminisce about the New York comedy scene of the 1990s and 2000s—specifically the legendary duo “Red Johnny and the Round Guy,” the politics of getting stage time, the evolution of stand-up, and what it takes to create—and sometimes outgrow—a career in comedy. The episode culminates in a surprise call-in from "the Round Guy" himself, resulting in one of the most heartfelt and honest segments about the comedy world’s unsung heroes. Throughout, the hosts keep their trademark blunt, self-deprecating, and unfiltered humor.
“Every other Monday I go get all… as us blacks call it, Lou… shaped up.”
— Eddie Pepitone (01:50)
“He kind of ran into that thing where you kind of pop… but then you, you know, it didn’t happen. But every—like, a very underrated dude… [Godfrey] built this massive fan base himself just by going live on Instagram every night for hours.”
— Bobby Lee (03:43)
“Most auditions you go on are pointless… So it’s like we’re going in just to fill a quota.”
— Bobby Lee (05:33)
“Red Johnny and the round guy were probably the funniest guys around. I mean, funnier than anybody. Duo, buddy. They would come into the Boston Comedy club, black night, any night, and the roof would fall.”
— Bobby Lee (11:18)
“I love [Pryor’s] live in concert. ...But I’ve seen other clips… it just didn’t... It’s not funny to me anymore. ...It’s not holding up.”
— Bobby Lee (23:30)
“It’s about holding up… Plenty of comedy doesn’t hold up.”
— Eddie Pepitone (23:52)
“The first person to do something a little bit different… should get all the credit, but they’re never going to be the best at the thing because it now evolves.”
— Eddie Pepitone (25:25)
“That YouTube video you guys are talking about is—I cringe every time.”
— The Round Guy (Jay Mohr) (29:40)
“I still say you guys, at the time, hands down, everybody was afraid of following you.”
— Bobby Lee (35:30)
“I feel like if I had only stayed in it, I could have been a success—a working comedian at a level that got me a summer house in New Hampshire.”
— The Round Guy (Jay Mohr) (31:45)
Bobby Lee:
“Most auditions you go on are pointless... we’re going in just to fill a quota.” (05:33)
“Red Johnny and the round guy were probably the funniest guys around.” (11:18)
“[Pryor’s old specials]... It’s not funny to me anymore. ...It’s not holding up.” (23:30)
Eddie Pepitone:
“The first person to do something a little bit different… should get all the credit, but they’re never going to be the best at the thing because it now evolves.” (25:25)
“Plenty of comedy doesn’t hold up.” (23:52)
The Round Guy (Jay Mohr, as guest):
“That YouTube video you guys are talking about is—I cringe every time.” (29:40)
“I feel like if I had only stayed in it, I could have been a success—a working comedian at a level that got me a summer house in New Hampshire.” (31:45)
The conversation is rich with reverence, self-awareness, and brutal honesty about the ephemeral nature of comedic fame and legacy. While filled with jokes and good-natured ribbing (with a healthy dose of shade thrown at old bits, “suburban rappers,” and the self-seriousness of ‘90s stand-up), the overall tone is affectionate, highlighting the camaraderie between comics and the unglamorous reality behind the curtain of the “golden years” of club comedy.
If you crave war stories from the heyday of New York comedy, honest debate about what lasts, and a generous amount of inside humor and self-shade—plus a nostalgic cameo from a nearly-forgotten comedy legend—this episode of The Bonfire is a must-listen.