
Impractical Joker Joe Gatto has young women accusing him of inappropriate behavior. Jay can relate because he's in an open relationship and has hung out with young fans. Bobby thinks there may be a problem with excess and addiction. Christine lends a woman's perspective because she dated older men and hates being bit. Jacob eating fruit on the air leads to a health food conversation. Jay wears comfortable pants on a plane and gets aroused. Christine ruins a perfectly good joke by interrupting the show with facts. *To hear the full show to go www.siriusxm.com/bonfire to learn more FOLLOW THE CREW ON SOCIAL MEDIA: @thebonfiresxm @louisjohnson @christinemevans @bigjayoakerson @robertkellylive @louwitzkee @jjbwolf
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Big J Okerson
And now, the Bonfire with Big J Okerson and Robert Kelly.
Robert Kelly
Get my television facts.
Big J Okerson
Sucks.
Christine
I hate when you borrow something from somebody and you brand. You're like, they never use this. And then like, you know, we use that all the time. Can you please, please bring that back immediately? And I'm like, ah, it's my heart monitor.
Big J Okerson
I need it.
Christine
Was the leg things that you got.
Big J Okerson
Jacob crushing a pair over there. Nice. Dude. That's a juicy ass pair, huh? No, say it. Tell us now.
Christine
Tell us right now.
Jacob
I'm on a three hour window. I gotta eat every three hours.
Christine
Oh, you turn into a gay.
Robert Kelly
The show's only two hours.
Christine
Sorry. Yeah.
Jacob
Unfortunately, it landed in the middle.
Big J Okerson
Oh. Of your three hour routine. So if you crush an apple.
Christine
If you don't crush a pear. If you don't, every three hours, you turn into a princess. Is that better?
Big J Okerson
Did you think that the rest of us might like a pair?
Christine
I'd love a pear.
Jacob
I would never picture you eating a pear.
Christine
Wow.
Big J Okerson
I love pears.
Christine
What the. You just call us.
Jacob
Andy never ate a pear.
Christine
The. Does that have to do with me and Jay?
Jacob
I got confused because he said it in this room.
Christine
What?
Big J Okerson
He's never had a pear.
Jacob
Never had a pair. So bizarre.
Christine
I love pears.
Big J Okerson
He also might have been making a joke because that's a storyline on Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
Jacob
No, I don't think so. I think he hasn't eaten a pearl.
Christine
Why would you think we don't like pears? Because of that? Or you just don't think what's a pair?
Jacob
Comedian.
Big J Okerson
Also, what's a pear guy strike you as? You're like, we don't. You don't. We don't strike you as pear guys.
Christine
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
What's a pear guy?
Jacob
I never see you eating any fruit. No, you do. I take it back. I give you oranges.
Big J Okerson
You do love it where you see me at work. I'm sorry, I don't bring fruit to work. Also, you do see me through work.
Jacob
Bring fruit to work.
Big J Okerson
Right. Which is its own strange. But. But Christine. But you've also seen me eat fruit. Christine gets like the fruit and cheese things.
Jacob
Yeah.
Christine
You don't consider that fruit because it's with the cheese and the crackers and all the other. You think it's like a little accoutrement fruit. Which is not real fruit you eat.
Big J Okerson
It wasn't fruit. Grapes aren't fruit.
Christine
No. Because it's with the cheese and the crackers and the other peanut butter.
Big J Okerson
Why are you leading stuff? Why are you Leading him.
Christine
I don't know.
Robert Kelly
There's apples too. Too.
Big J Okerson
There's also apples in there which are also a fruit.
Christine
It's with the cheese.
Big J Okerson
I'm sorry, what does the cheese have to do with. You keep saying the cheese cuz it's not good.
Christine
It's not healthy for you.
Jacob
Grapes are a lot of sugar.
Christine
I'm leading again. I have nuts.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, we all have nuts. Remember I rubbed mines against your thigh at the airport?
Christine
I did. You rubbed your Becca on me.
Big J Okerson
That was a pixie dough, Right? Felt thick. Did it feel thick when I put it against your leg?
Christine
Yeah, I felt like a little cane.
Big J Okerson
A little thick. Right.
Christine
Some old lady hit me with her cane.
Big J Okerson
Yeah.
Christine
And then when I didn't flick it, I actually. I tweaked it.
Big J Okerson
You dinged it?
Christine
I dinged it with the top of my finger. And I went, what's that? And I went.
Big J Okerson
And he really gave it. And it really. It gave it. Like he gave me like a bump, bump, bump.
Christine
Like a back and forth and what's that? And then everybody around saw me do that to you.
Big J Okerson
And then everyone saw my boner.
Robert Kelly
Yeah.
Jacob
You changed my life as far as flying goes because I. Until Jay told me to wear sweatpants on the plane, I never considered. I'm like, I was. It was. It's very uncomfortable to wear jeans.
Christine
J told me that's all I ever wore.
Jacob
And then I switched. But you do. There's so many hotties wearing like yoga pants that you do risk the boner.
Big J Okerson
Oh, you know, I got them.
Christine
Jay changed my life at a strip club. He told me to wear sweatpants with no underwear at a strip club.
Big J Okerson
I never said that.
Robert Kelly
I am parachute pants.
Big J Okerson
Let me tell you. I never see these things, but swishy pants is the way I know people who went to strip club. I was never a strip club guy, but I know people that was in the strippers that were like, yeah, swishy pants. Like the windbreaker pants and no underwear. No. I know exactly what happened on the airplane now. And it just dawned on me. I have two pairs of underwear from this company. I have multiple pairs of underwear, but two of them particularly I got on the road from a company named Sachs S A X X. And it's one of the ones that has like the split that your. Your dick and balls go through. So it's like a little pouch for your dick and balls in the underwear. These ones are very cottony. I have ones that are a little firmer. But I got the two pairs I got that were Cotton are very, very comfortable. But my dick and balls really go through that hole and they really get jostled around and it knocks around on, like, jeans is not such a thing. But when I wear sweatpants in those underwear, it makes my wiener hard because it's like it's being lightly touched. A bunch.
Christine
You were out, and we were hitting a little turbulence and you were bobbling.
Big J Okerson
And I feel like I was bobbling.
Christine
I could only imagine your head was bobbling and your penis was bobbling very similar to your head kind of jiggling around in there.
Big J Okerson
It's those. Yeah.
Christine
Nice.
Big J Okerson
I want more comfort.
Robert Kelly
Blend.
Big J Okerson
Well, I'm not gonna wear with candy canes on them.
Robert Kelly
Why not?
Big J Okerson
Because I don't want to.
Christine
Why? Getting your eyebrows done, your fingernails done. Why wouldn't you wear candy cane? Is that the line?
Big J Okerson
O. They're.
Christine
Is the. Is the line candy cane?
Big J Okerson
They make them longer inseams now. What are the inseams on these bad boys? I got to order some new underwear. They got a nine incher.
Christine
You don't.
Big J Okerson
Or a seven. Shut up.
Christine
I'm sorry. Why you're trying to help me attack. I'm not saying attack. I'm just. It's. It's fa. It's help facts.
Big J Okerson
Trying to help. I'm just trying to help, man.
Christine
Look, I'm with you, dude. You look at me, I look at you. If we're both naked, it's the same thing.
Jacob
See, now I would. I would never order those now for the plane.
Christine
Why?
Jacob
Because you're telling me it's like a boner.
Christine
So what?
Big J Okerson
Maker really does give me a boner. How fun was it? I'm order a bunch. It wasn't. It was not fun. I got off the plane and I walked out and I just started to realize. I was like. And what's up? What? It was actually the walking off the plane. I think I had a semi from being knocked around on the plane. And then just the walking of it just knocking around. Like, I came out and I was like, whoa, look at this thing. And then Bobby. Bobby handled it for me.
Christine
Yeah, I flinged it. I pinged it.
Big J Okerson
I pinged it back down. He pinged it back down in place.
Christine
Like a little dog that did a bad thing. I went, you bad dog.
Big J Okerson
You bad dogged me. Yeah, it was those sax underwear. I was fucking my underwear. That's the problem.
Christine
Speaking of fucking, let's talk about your friend, your best friend.
Big J Okerson
My best friend?
Christine
Your best friend?
Big J Okerson
No. Well, this is a toughie. This is a tough one. Because Sal is such a close friend of mine. Not that this has anything to do with him necessarily, but I mean, the.
Christine
But you say knew about everything. Shut up.
Big J Okerson
I heard he wingmanned him on all of this.
Christine
I mean, Sal covered up for him, right?
Big J Okerson
Yeah, Sal definitely was a fee. They called Sal the feeder. Who would lead these women, too. This is a. What a goofy situation this is, man. This is such a wild one. And more coming out every day. And again, all allegations, I guess, but, I mean, it don't look great. And what's funny is I don't think it doesn't look bad in any kind of legal sense. There's a one girl. So to cue people in, Joe Gatto from Impractical Jokers Formerly. Impractical Jokers Formerly.
Christine
We know why?
Big J Okerson
Well, I mean, yeah, I think we all kind of had our thoughts on it was. By the way, the story I saw today from a former. A former co worker. It says, yeah, the story she wrote was what I assumed was probably what happened.
Christine
What was that?
Big J Okerson
Why he left the show. There's a former employee that has like a. He's a. I've just met Joe, by the way, genuinely a handful of times. But he's such a Italian uncle. Like, you know, like a lot of touches with the handshakes and whatever. And he's just one of those guys that I could see. My guess was when he left the show and it was this. And his family was like, you know, him and his wife were splitting up and all that stuff that I was like, oh, this is like a girl from work. I even guessed almost exactly what the story says. Christine, right? Do you remember what happened? I was like, I bet it was somebody who came on new who doesn't know him, and he's just like, right away, like, rubbing her shoulders or, you know, whatever, and just being, like, making jokes. They're like funny guys and making all kinds of, like, inappropriate shit is your tits. Well, that's the problem is, like, it seems like it was all going, like, too far on some of these things.
Christine
What they're saying, hey, what's going. It's cold in here, huh? Look at those things.
Big J Okerson
Exactly.
Christine
You could cut glass with them. Look at my pekka things you say to Christine.
Big J Okerson
Interesting. Hr you listening?
Christine
Well, that scared the out of me. I've never said that to Christine.
Big J Okerson
That's what they go, jay, did you sexually assault Christine? He goes, I haven't touched Christine in four years. I'm like, what? It's not me. Take a DNA save to do a Rape kit? Because it ain't.
Christine
This guy Bobby made fun of my breasts on air. And they'd be like, was it hilarious? They'd look at her chest and go, well, listen, yeah, we need evidence.
Big J Okerson
He said I had small boobs. He goes, okay, all right, well, we're not gonna sue him for slander, I assume.
Christine
I mean, these sounds like these are just facts, but. But my guess was that there's nothing better than sexual harassing in a sexual harassing joke.
Big J Okerson
Well, something was said in that article that I read that I thought was interesting. That is a very odd thing they have to consider in a lot of ways. Because what it seems like is Joe. Seems. He said. Now three days of three different accusations. It all seems like extraordinarily young girl legal, but young. One was 19. The two I watched this morning, like they were in their early 20s, if not 19, 20.
Christine
Well, this is the thing that freaks me out is that there's a law and there's legal. And if they're legal, it's still wrong. Right.
Big J Okerson
That's complete moral decision. On. On where you fall in that. I think it's fucking weird. And I think there's questions to be asked about a 19 year old who's trying to fuck a 50 year old.
Robert Kelly
How do you think Dean Cook feels about it?
Big J Okerson
He's hyped on it. I think he's hyped on it.
Christine
Not anymore. She's like 28. Ew, she's getting dumped. Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Yeah. Two more years she got. Or she cashes in.
Christine
So happy Jacob is. I'll pick it up.
Robert Kelly
How does Jacob feel?
Big J Okerson
No, look, here's the thing. Here's what. Here's what I found interesting in that article. And the thing was that the former co worker wrote that around the office saying things all the time like. Like, me and my wife have an open relationship or open marriage or whatever. And, you know, and she was like. Which I assume now is not true. I don't know if that's not true. That's what's interesting about the situation that his wife is put in Gatto and.
Christine
His wife has an open relationship.
Big J Okerson
It's something that she said. He said before. Okay, maybe now I'm taking in consideration that's something you would say possibly as a joke, you know, I mean, like a joke to someone. He goes, oh, it's okay. Me and my wife have an open relationship. Like jokingly to, you know, be flirtatious or whatever. Sure. And not mean it. Do you know what I mean? But also, if he was saying it and did mean it. What that changes for my mind is like, so it's above board. The stupidity of doing something at work is ridiculous. Now these other things are like road stories, right? So maybe they do have an agreement, but, like, the worst possible thing has happened here. Like, the girls decide to just, like, embarrass them. Like, come out and like, just tell the stories where it doesn't really matter if they have an open relationship or not. She's not going to be okay with this.
Christine
Well, here's the thing.
Big J Okerson
She's like, what it is. She can go, I don't care that you're fucking other people, but, like, are you? Does it really have to be these, like 20 year olds who are like going to magazines now and telling everybody?
Christine
Like, can I say something, though? No. Marriage has an open relationship where the guy gets to go bang 19 year olds and it's okay with his 40 year old wife.
Big J Okerson
I don't know if that's true. I don't know if it's true at all.
Christine
Look at you two. Look at you two jumping in on this fucking weird J.
Robert Kelly
Thank God, doesn't lean towards 19 year olds. I'm not worried about Jay fucking a teenager.
Christine
So would you have a problem if Jay was like, look, I met a 19 year old and I'm gonna fool around with her and I'm gonna bring her home so you can meet her.
Big J Okerson
What?
Christine
I took it too far and I.
Big J Okerson
Want her to have dinner with us and I want you to not be a bitch to her. And I want to see if some of your clothes fit her.
Robert Kelly
Set up the guest bed for her.
Big J Okerson
And set up the guest bed and then sleep in the guest bed and.
Christine
We'Re gonna go spray tan together.
Big J Okerson
She's Miss Spray Tan Buddy.
Robert Kelly
I don't know, Just very hippie, dippy, open relationship. People do. Yeah. Would bother me if Jay had a.
Christine
Teenage girl because I think open relationships, I don't have one, but I would think that it's with people in the same genre and she can be part of it. Right. When you do it together, it's not.
Robert Kelly
Like, no, no open relationships. People will be in a marriage and then date independently of each other. And those partners have nothing to do with the marriage.
Christine
Really. Can you talk to dawn tonight? I don't think she knows this, but it's something.
Big J Okerson
But dating or fucking is two different things too.
Robert Kelly
Yeah, it's like polyamory versus one extends.
Big J Okerson
But the thing is also, I'm just saying, like, I don't feel like he's in the. And listen, I'm saying you could find a loop at any age for sure. But I mean, is this guy in his like late 40s? I'm surprised that he's not at any age. I'm just surprised.
Christine
10 is not an age you can find a loop in.
Big J Okerson
It's true, but I'm talking about like older. I'm not, I'm talking about.
Christine
No, I know, saying.
Big J Okerson
I'm saying you could find a loop at like, who's like 40 something? 50. Doesn't matter.
Christine
I was just throwing a little joke in there. Cuz we're a comedy show. I swear to God, Jay, don't even look at it. Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Is it a comedy show?
Christine
Yeah, I swear to God. Dude, look at me, look at me. Trust me, I was just throwing a little one in there.
Robert Kelly
Nothing news. I know this isn't news.
Christine
This is the news part of a comedy show.
Big J Okerson
Can we take a break? I'm freaking out.
Robert Kelly
Jay, be funny.
Big J Okerson
Wait, what? What's happening?
Christine
Go ahead. Dude, I'm sorry. You can find a loop at any age.
Big J Okerson
You can find a crazy person. But there's something about playing. I mean, Joe has to have. And let's just take numbers. 27 to 40 something year old women who are attractive, gorgeous, who are like zinging at him. And also. I know the score. I got the deal. Yeah, me too. And so yeah, let's have fun. And whatever it is, he's like doing these things where these girls, of course, they're TikTok girls. They're like, oh my God, look, I'm. Oh look, he gave me $100 for driving down here and told me to meet him in an elevator. They're rats.
Christine
They're rats. When an older woman is not a rat. They're in the mob. They'll keep the trap shut.
Robert Kelly
Well, there might be a thought process too. These younger girls are probably more like not looking for anything.
Big J Okerson
That's the problem. That's the problem he's finding with these. These aren't girls who are looking to come. Fuck. Necessarily. Now, the one, the first story said she was drunk and she went over there. I did assume to do something by that point. But the thing is.
Christine
But the thing with that. Can I just say something real quick? The thing with that is that.
Big J Okerson
Wait, is this going to be funny?
Christine
No, it's not. Okay, it's going to be weird. I just don't understand this.
Big J Okerson
Well, I'm looking at you like this. So I'm like, please don't be funny then. I don't get it again.
Christine
I'm not. I'm not going to be funny. I swear to God. Listen, the thing is, is that I can't talk. Your stupid listening face.
Robert Kelly
I can't.
Big J Okerson
I'm all ears, dude.
Christine
I know. I hate it. So. So what it is if. If a woman. This is a thing that I. I don't know. I don't understand, but it's. It's real. If. If a woman comes over and she's drunk and she comes over to your hotel willingly and has sex with you or fools around with you the next day because she was drunk, she can say it was assault because I didn't know what I was doing. And as the other person who was there, if you should have known better and not done it is because she's saying it's. It's sexual assault because she was drunk and she went there.
Big J Okerson
I don't know if that's what she said. I think she's saying, particularly those marks on her ass, like, he bit her ass. That's what she's saying was the assault.
Robert Kelly
That's not.
Big J Okerson
Which again, is like a. It's like a dicey. Here's the thing.
Christine
I don't know.
Robert Kelly
I think you might have to ask to be that rough. There should be like.
Big J Okerson
I'm making. I'm making complete opinion. This is a complete opinion here.
Christine
Right.
Big J Okerson
I don't think his issue is assaulting women. I think it's not what he strikes me as the issue. The issue is he seems to be like insatiably going for at least the ones that are coming out. These young fucking idiots.
Christine
How funny is she? She's showing us her ass on this photo. And I'm just like, nice ass, decent ass.
Big J Okerson
Might invite her up to the room.
Christine
Jacob, Jacob, it's sexual. Will you stop?
Big J Okerson
And then there's these two who are going on now get. These girls are so young and. But here's what. Again, I don't think he's understanding. And I have had this. Which is strange. I've had a young, pretty girl come to my shows.
Christine
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
With friends or whatever. And I'm, you know, I'll be like, you know what the show is? And they're like, yeah. And then when you see what it was, it makes total sense. Like, oh, my dad's a huge fan of yours. And like, he turned me on you when I was 13. You're like, oh, yeah, that adds up. And I don't. I don't think that girl. 99.9% of the time, if I was like, hey, we're going to the bar next door after that. Oh, they'll come over. They'll do it. I'm sure. If I was even like, hey, want to go smoke a joint in my room? They'd be like, yeah, I don't think that means they want to fuck. I'm still going. Well, they're also like, he's 47 and I'm 19, so they're probably not in that. They probably. But they're going to come because they're dippy and like, we're hanging out with someone who they think is famous or whatever.
Christine
I felt weird hanging out.
Big J Okerson
So him believing that these girls want to fudge is almost more the thing with me. I'm like, what are you doing, dude?
Christine
I felt. I felt weird with like 19 year olds when I was 21, 22.
Big J Okerson
No, you didn't.
Christine
I swear to God, dude. It just. They giggle, they whisper. I hate. I never was into that shit.
Big J Okerson
They got shallow throats, you know, I'm saying, Jacob Jacobs. Jacob. You know what I'm saying?
Christine
They're always a team, Jacob.
Big J Okerson
Hang on, Bobby. Jacob. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
Christine
I just never. I've never liked younger girls. I don't. I'm not into it.
Robert Kelly
When I was not, we hung out with like, I mean, we hung out with people in their 30s because I worked at the comedy club and I was like one of the younger people there. But I mean, 40s would have been.
Christine
I understand. How much money do you need? How. I mean, you're a multi millionaire, you're touring, you're selling out, you're still making money, you have a family. It's like, what is it? And like, what are you trying. Why would you. Why would you. Why would this still do something for you at your age at where you're at? You've done it, you got a little trouble. Why wouldn't you move? It's got to be some type of addiction that he needs help with.
Big J Okerson
Well, here's the bigger thing of it, right? To get back again, there's gotta be something. Like if they got back together. Him and his wife got back together.
Christine
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
After he left the show, they broke up and then they got back together. They never said why. I assume it's because something to do with this former employee who just came out now saying stuff. You have that one too.
Robert Kelly
Yeah, that's.
Big J Okerson
Yeah. So it's like there's so that she may have said, like, maybe part of the stipulation, them getting back was him saying like, hey, When I'm on the road, though, like, can you get past that? When I'm on the road, I might do stuff and blah, blah, blah. And it's almost like if there's like a. Well, yeah, but just don't embarrass me. Does that make sense? Yeah, but don't embarrass me is such a big thing of it. And it's like you're. You're really putting in situations where, like, she's very likely to be embarrassed. It doesn't matter if they have an open relationship or not. I'm saying this is fucked because this isn't what she means. Like when she says, like, yeah, do your thing, but here's the thing that.
Christine
He'S fucking to me.
Big J Okerson
Why get back.
Christine
But here's the thing. If you already did that, you got back, you have it all. You have it all, dude. And then why would you. Why would you go on and have these, this, this trail of DMs, this evidence trail of you kind of talking to these girls? I would never DM anybody. I would never put it out on social media.
Big J Okerson
It's not even a mind blow to me.
Christine
Yeah, but dude, it's evidence of, like, if you're gonna be a little creepy or whatever and you're gonna hook up with girls that are legal because they're legal. You're 40. Whatever, they're legal. You want to hook up with girls, why don't you do it? You're in the public eye. Why don't you do it a little more subtle than what the fuck you're doing?
Big J Okerson
Sure, there's certain girls out there in the world, I'm sure that can embarrass me with, with like, messages. Yeah, but like, I know, but, but I almost. But here's the thing also, why would. Do you know what I'm saying? I've just never interacted with someone in that way that would be someone that I was like, oh, they're gonna come me over. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's not really. It's not a. I don't put myself in these situations.
Robert Kelly
Here's the thing. It's like Jay sleeps with a woman. He sleeps with a woman, any of those women.
Christine
What if he sleeps with a man?
Robert Kelly
That's a different. That's a different issue.
Christine
He's close.
Big J Okerson
That's a different conversation.
Christine
He's this close. He' so close.
Big J Okerson
You know that?
Christine
I mean, so you better, for the most part, close.
Robert Kelly
With the exception of, like.
Christine
With the.
Robert Kelly
Exception of, like, them telling their Friends or whatever, for the most part, like, you're never going to hear about it. But the fact of the matter is that like any of those girls could decide to put on social media, they could screenshot his text messages, they could write a essay about a night. Like, they could do whatever they.
Big J Okerson
How good I am at eating.
Robert Kelly
But it's just, that's the thing. It's like once you, once you dissertation, once you interact with another human being, it's like out of your hands.
Christine
If a bitch writes an essay, she's a piece of shit.
Big J Okerson
Listen, you're right, it is out of your hands. But here's.
Robert Kelly
She's like fudgeing, you know, it's like, what if.
Big J Okerson
That's why I'm saying, I'm saying you sucks.
Christine
This all sucks. The fact that you can't fucking be dirty and sexy. Like back in the day with rock and roll and entertainment and shows and waitresses and waiters and bartenders. We used to all just fucking have fun sexually. Nobody got hurt. Sometimes you like somebody and it didn't work out. But now you feeling to get hurt for sure. Yeah, you would. But that was kind of the fun part of it. You can't do anything now. It's the point where you're going to have to have them sign a piece of paper just to make out or something.
Big J Okerson
There's many people. There's many people. There's many people there that are. Yeah, there's many people there that do do that kind of thing.
Christine
I mean, it sucks for women.
Robert Kelly
Part of me that wants an NDA signed anytime anybody comes into my house.
Christine
I'm telling you right now, anytime I feel bad for women who, who are still sexual and cool and, and strong and know, hey, I just want to go out and hook up with a guy and have some sex and nothing attached to it because guys are going to be so terrified to be with anybody because of this social, this type of shit.
Robert Kelly
Well, young people are having like way less sex, which is crazy. Young people are supposed to be like rabbits. And they're not because you can't, you.
Christine
Can'T do it anymore.
Big J Okerson
Well, especially, I mean, like the. What people. What happens to people with like sending nudes and all that kind of shit, like how that fucking backfires and destroys people.
Christine
Yeah, we, you know, you know that.
Big J Okerson
Yeah. Well, luckily, pretty early Internet, thank God.
Robert Kelly
Thank God I started dating Jay before. Like, I didn't have an iPhone until I dated Jay. So it's like I didn't send a bunch of pictures and stuff when I was younger. It wasn't available.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, it was. It was. You could have worked it out. I got dirty pictures on flip phones.
Christine
Before I got fucking.
Big J Okerson
I had so pixelated.
Robert Kelly
I sent one flip phone picture, but it was. You couldn't see.
Big J Okerson
It is insane. The picture that Christine thought. The picture that Christine thought was her dirty picture that she eventually said goes. I sent one. The one guy went, she goes, all right, I'm going to show it to you. It's a silhouette. It's literally could be a logo for a company. It was nothing. It was nothing dirty. I go, do you think this is dirty?
Christine
Can we make it a logo for Bonfire for a T shirt?
Big J Okerson
I go, do you think this is a dirty picture? That's wacky. It could be a Bonfire logo for sure.
Christine
I very rarely.
Big J Okerson
A fire right in the crotch.
Christine
I very rarely have sent out photos of my stuff. Yeah. Just because I don't think girls want pictures of dicks.
Big J Okerson
I, I, I, I own my dick pic. I have the one and it's been sent five times in my life. Maybe, I think, I mean, like, it's, it's very rare.
Robert Kelly
I have some. Yeah, sure.
Christine
But, yeah, but you have them, but you look at them and laugh. You don't use them, probably.
Robert Kelly
They're good pictures.
Christine
You use them.
Robert Kelly
I mean, use them. No. What am I masturbating a picture, like.
Big J Okerson
Shoving her phone in her pussy.
Robert Kelly
Like in 1998.
Big J Okerson
No one's masturbated to my dick pic.
Christine
Pre fingernail polish, hand on his.
Big J Okerson
But there, there is something. So, like, you're right. That's gone. But also with his thing, I'm curious about the psychology of. He was out. They broke up. Right. And I know that, that emotional, like, kind of thing. And by saying he's out, this guy clearly wants to do his thing still. That's why I'm wondering if there was an agreement that he kind of like, just fucked up still. Because these girls are so young. Because to get back together, he is a multimillionaire. They have got tons of money.
Christine
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
So even if she's taken half of it, someone said that. I go, well, maybe he didn't want to give up like, half his money. I go, he's got the money to be a good down the road dad. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, joint custody type of father. He's got the money to do that.
Christine
I hear you. But you're coming from it, from a guy who did that and knows that you can survive through it as far as A guy who. Italians are very traditional. A guy who's like, this whole thing is a sickness. This is all him getting girls up to the room. It's not enough. The show wasn't enough. The money wasn't enough. The hanging with his friends and touring isn't enough. You got to keep. You got to go get that. Like, yeah. So when you get. The accolades aren't enough, but when the hot chicks, it so get pussy. When I was back in the day, before I was, you know, married, it was never enough, right? So you. You got to keep doing it. You gotta. And. And this thing with him, I'm telling you, he saw. He up, learned his lesson, put it back together, his wife. Because I really believe this guy wants to be with his family, be with his wife. And then it slowly trickles back in. And now all you need is one person to break down the dam. Like this girl. And now it all comes out, which sucks, because it's like, you know, you two girls went up there, it was. Nothing happened. You didn't get a. It was just a silly thing with a dude that you. You thought was famous, and you were excited to be with famous dude and the guy from. For your story, and now you're jumping on the bandwagon.
Big J Okerson
But these two. I don't blame these two as much. They're.
Christine
I don't blame any of them.
Big J Okerson
I'm saying these two are dumb dips.
Christine
I don't blame the girl.
Big J Okerson
Like, I feel. I. Listen, I. I feel bad for Joe to say that, you know, I know. I'm sure they get some kind of things, like, fuck him, he's a mom. I don't think he is a monster.
Christine
I feel bad for the girl. She's getting death threats. The girl who is like, yeah, she's getting attacked from both ends.
Big J Okerson
Oh, she took it down. She took her video down, I think.
Christine
Which is the bruise girl, the original girl, is getting attacked by everybody because they're saying that you went there, you were drunk, you knew what the fuck you were doing. Which, yes, you're an adult, you know what you're doing. You went there, but it doesn't. You came back the next day with shame, and I fucked up. And you expressed that out in the open, and now it looks like he's. Is he? That's my question. Like, Christine, maybe you can answer this. I'm not a fucking woman. But is that assault? Is. Is that really.
Robert Kelly
I don't think I can answer that. Because the fact of the matter is.
Big J Okerson
That it's up to You. Well, no, I'm saying.
Robert Kelly
Well, I said I don't think this is sexual assault. I think there has to be some sort. I think if you're gonna like spank and bite and choke, that's a conversation you kind of need to like have in the moment. It's not my thing. If a guy wanted to bite and spank and choke me, I wouldn't be into it. So it's, you know, it's the thing with being so young too, is there you are kind of told, like if you're drunk and you go out and hook up with somebody, it's rape. And I don't believe that. Being somebody that had a drinking problem for years and having sex with lots of people.
Christine
You have a house.
Big J Okerson
Yeah, but Christine.
Christine
Christine used to be drinking.
Robert Kelly
Prom bagged this one.
Christine
Yeah. Christine, you got drunk and got fucking raped.
Robert Kelly
I was a mistress.
Big J Okerson
Christine was a. Used to be a drunken rapist back in her heyday.
Christine
She raped you?
Big J Okerson
She raped me. These. No, again, the thing is that you're just talking to these young dip girls and I feel like assault. Again, I wasn't there. I don't know. But by description of what's being said, like, nothing sounds like assault. And all these young girls, they're also just telling these stories in a giggly of like. But he's like a perv who like brings him up to the room and he's. And again, even here, the thing, it's the way you're saying it. Things being said with like the evil piano behind it versus just being said. They're like. He says he hates Audi belly buttons. And so he asked if we had Audis and we showed our Audis and then he like touched our belly buttons and whatever. It's like, I see that in a conversational happening. That's just like a flirty kind of goofy thing, whatever. But like when they're retelling the thing, you're like, yeah, it's the idea. I'm definitely not a. I respect you. I'm not a rubbed shoulders so much of like girls or definitely not a lower back girl grabber and like that. But I've certainly. With like Adele at the stand or something like that. That's somebody or. Or McCullough are people I'd like jokingly dip when I'd see them or something. Do you know what I'm saying?
Robert Kelly
Of course.
Big J Okerson
But that's like a play and I would. And I know them well enough that I would do that. But I also.
Robert Kelly
But that's not who you Are with the servers there because you don't know any of them. There was a time where you knew all the waitresses and you had familiarity.
Big J Okerson
There is some servers to stand that I would not mind rubbing their shoulders.
Christine
Let me ask you a question. Is, is the age if these Girls were like 30, 35, would it be a different story?
Big J Okerson
Ew, there wouldn't be a story. No, but I'm telling you, I think even late 20s. Dude, I'm telling you there's nothing. Because you wouldn't be on TikTok. I think that also listen, he's public enough. There's nothing to even they'd be on Facebook. It would have to be such a far off shot and even conversationally with me that if I was hanging out with a girl on the road after a show that she would be unaware of Christine's existence. So I don't have to like school around the whole thing.
Christine
Yeah, if you're with a girl, they should know. You said this to me one time. Somebody should know I said this.
Big J Okerson
When we're talking about the situation, I go, someone has to know what's going on. Has to know my biggest fuck up on my biggest get caught, which was the girl with the Craigslist thing. And the whole deal was that neither of them knew I was lying to both of them or whatever. And it's not that you should do any of this. I'm not condoning any of it. I'm just saying someone's gotta know.
Robert Kelly
You also did that two more times before you learned your lesson with me.
Big J Okerson
Correct?
Robert Kelly
It took you a long time to learn your lesson.
Christine
You're lucky you didn't make it back then. You had all your taken away.
Big J Okerson
Not a sexual assault. But you know, you're wrong though. Each one got a little bit better. Each one got a little better because the one didn't know anything.
Christine
Yeah, both of them want to know.
Big J Okerson
But then the second one, the other one knew. Yeah, the other one knew the thing.
Robert Kelly
Baby mama.
Big J Okerson
Oh, no. So, yeah, no, sweet. There was. There was three big dogs before Christine. Three big dogs that came in nice. Yeah, Three big dogs. And one, two after three, four, five.
Christine
After four or five.
Big J Okerson
Yeah. Four girlfriends behind the scenes.
Christine
Four girlfriends. One dude.
Big J Okerson
And he loves nail polish.
Christine
Jay. But here's the thing. If, like this girl now, okay, who it's going to be like other guys are going to be. I feel like she's coming out going, now if this guy beat her up or sexually assaulted her, I mean that if he's hitting her, biting her and doing weird to her that she was like, stop. No, but it's like, were you.
Robert Kelly
I don't know.
Christine
It's like, weird. Were you into, like. I was never into that. I don't. Like, I had a girl want me to choke her once. I was like, I'm not into it. Because it's like, I don't know where your line is, and I don't want to get caught in it. I'm not choking you. I'm not hitting you. You want to make out? We can make out. We can fuck. I'll do. I'll eat your butt. You can stick fingers in mine. We'll do some weird shit. But I'm not choking or hitting you.
Big J Okerson
But it's the only. It's the only.
Christine
I don't want bruises.
Big J Okerson
It's one of the very few. Me hooking up on the road stories we ever tell because it was so hayw.
Christine
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
Was a girl who was a waitress at a comedy club in Michigan somewhere and came back to the room with me afterwards. I gave Christina a heads up on that. And then. And then I called her pretty quick afterwards to be like, yo, I'm like, that girl was. She was hot, this chick.
Christine
Yeah.
Big J Okerson
And then. And then she goes. And then she was like, you know, she goes. She goes, hit me in the face. And I went like, I gave the most. Gentle. Like, I was like, I swear to you, I was like, I don't want to break the momentum. So I was just like. I mean, like a real. Like. I mean, like, fingers tap on, like, I touched your. Yes. And then she goes, no, like, hit me. Like, hit me. Really hit me. And then I was like, I mean, if I tell you I gave 2% more pressure than the first, and she goes, no, I really want you, like. Like, you could, like, punch me, like, hit me. And I was like, oh, no, you got the wrong guy. And I said those words. I was like, yeah, I'm not gonna hit you. I don't. Like, that's weird.
Christine
She was asking me to hit. I need you to snap me out of this. I don't know why I'm here right now.
Big J Okerson
Well, you're not wrong. The next day, she came to work all up, and, like, they had to send her out, like, home. She came to work, like, drunk on pills and all kinds of stuff. And I was like, oh, it all adds up.
Robert Kelly
Yeah, wasn't it? I was like, wait, why are you. Why is the comic taking care of the drunk waitress? Like, they don't know you hooked up?
Christine
What did you say you had a guy do what to you?
Robert Kelly
I had a guy ask me.
Christine
Hang on one second. Everybody ready?
Robert Kelly
No, I had a guy asking me to call him the N word in bed, and I wouldn't do it. I was like, that's not my deal. That's not my fetish. Like, I don't want to.
Big J Okerson
So I called him it.
Christine
You had a guy, but he was black?
Robert Kelly
Yeah.
Christine
Okay. I mean, if it was a white.
Robert Kelly
Guy done it, like, what is this?
Big J Okerson
Oh, black Lou. I know you've done that, you son of a. I've asked for it with three different girls, and they all said no. Yeah, because one being my wife.
Christine
Really?
Big J Okerson
Yeah. Like we know each other.
Christine
You should have hooked up with my wife. She would have just said it without you asking. What are you talking about? Get over here, you. I. Listen, man. It's all. It's sad to me because sex is. You can't fucking do weird shit anymore. I mean, look, that. That hitting and biting is. I don't know why he would leave evidence, why you would do anything that, you know, you're not supposed to be doing in the first place. And then you're going to bite or hit and leave bruises.
Big J Okerson
I'm saying he might not. He might be technically within his relationship. Okay. To do this. It's just. He's making the worst decisions on who he's picking then. Yeah. Because it's these. Because, like, these two girls. Like, same thing. Like, if I was talking to these two girls after a show, I'd already see. I'm like, dude, these girls like dips. Like, they're just too young.
Christine
But if they were like, hey, let's go back to your room. Let's get a. I want to get high.
Big J Okerson
I would smoke. Absolutely. I'd smoke pot with these girls and everything like that. Let me tell you something. I don't know what I would do if these two girls were like, hey, can we go back to your room and suck and fuck you. You'd have a decision to make there.
Christine
I just got hard when you said that.
Big J Okerson
Thank you. Is it the sax? Underwear. But do you get what I'm saying? Like, that's the thing. I don't think that's what this was. I think he kept going, like. It's like, oh, hey, thanks for. Oh, you guys shouldn't drive home. It says you shouldn't drive home. Let me get you a hotel room right next to my. And it's just like, that's it. Cause you're. Cause you're dancing around it you're dancing around it. If these girls were like, hey, we came to fucking like rock. Let's fuck like then go fuck him. I guess I don't give a shit. I don't really have like an op other than I go, man, it's like I can't believe. Here's what my thing is more with this. I know what Joe got him. Not that he's an ugly guy by any stretch, I'm saying, but like you just look at these two girls or the three girls or the four that have been coming forward.
Christine
He looks like he should own a slush company.
Big J Okerson
Well, when you see him is like.
Christine
He'S not a fucking good looking guy. God bless him.
Big J Okerson
The fact that he would believe the fact that he would be like these girls, I wouldn't trust somebody who I'm like, dear's fucking me because they think or they're hanging out because they think I have money is what I would think.
Christine
If a girl like that, If a.
Big J Okerson
Girl get one to fuck me, I goes, because she's going to try to get money from me later.
Christine
If a girl like that came up, these two girls came after the show and we're like, we want to you. I would be like, you have a fetish. Then you're into, you know, stretch marks and dead toenails.
Big J Okerson
Jesus Christenail.
Christine
Yeah, I'm proud of it. Keeps these fucking bitches away so I don't have to lose my marriage. Oh God. Yeah, dude.
Big J Okerson
You find a young woman that's going to take you with that dead toenail, you leave your marriage.
Christine
Yeah, but these girls, if these girls are into, if they come up to me after a show, not to say like, but if young 20 year old, 19 year old girls like, hey, I'm like, you're out of your mind. It's not happening. It's not happening because it's. Nothing good's going to come out of it. And he should know that now everybody's fucked. That poor girl's getting death threats. She's getting, she's a bed, she's getting all this.
Big J Okerson
Oh, it's still up.
Christine
She kept the photo of her up, huh? Is that the one? How many? Nine million. I might suck his dick and say he's a rapist just to get some views on my Instagram.
Big J Okerson
The DMS DM is being posted is crazy.
Christine
What is it? Oh, he's. Yeah, this is, it's nothing.
Big J Okerson
Listen, it's, it's, it's basic flirting until it's just, it's just a Matter be.
Robert Kelly
Mortified by DMZ, though. People posting DMs and posting text messages are such, like, rat.
Christine
Rats. Awful.
Robert Kelly
They're all such an invasion of privacy, this generation.
Christine
If you post a dm, you're a rat.
Big J Okerson
You're a piece.
Christine
You're a piece of shit. You're a rat. It's a direct.
Big J Okerson
Unless someone, by the way, if someone's threatening you violently, of course. To do. To do. To do. When someone's like.
Robert Kelly
Or somebody's admitting they did rape you.
Christine
You know, it's like, yeah, of course. But I'm saying this type of shit.
Robert Kelly
Brat, like, you're sexting. Sexting. So embarrassing to post sexting is like.
Christine
It'S like, we want rats. We weren't rats. We were the mafia. You could.
Robert Kelly
There is nothing. There's no. You guys had MySpace. It was nothing.
Christine
You could have done that on MySpace.
Big J Okerson
They had a pipeline.
Christine
You could have put them in your top 10. This guy just.
Big J Okerson
Man, why he's choosing these, like, young ones. It seems to be the whole dumb of it. And maybe I lucked out. Maybe I said, maybe I lucked out that I have that thing because Isabella's, you know, Isabella's age. And it all kind of struck me in a different way. But I'm just like a 22 year old kid is a kid, man.
Christine
We lucked out, dude. We lucked out in the biggest way. We got out of our creeps stage in the nick of time.
Big J Okerson
I don't know if I'm out of a creep stage.
Robert Kelly
When Me Too happened. Me and Jay have hooked up with.
Christine
A lot of girls.
Robert Kelly
I mean, Me Too happened. I remember sitting down going, like, do we have anything we have to worry about? Like, is this like. And she's like, no.
Big J Okerson
I'm like, have you met me?
Robert Kelly
He's like, I don't go.
Christine
After I met me, Keith and Voss and Norton were like, that was nice knowing you, dude.
Big J Okerson
Buddy. They asked me when I walked. When I walked. When I walked up to the Cellar one night. I remember Keith goes, how many me toos you got coming your way? And I was like, I genuinely. None. Yeah, I don't. I'm just. Not again. It's not that I sad. It's not that I haven't.
Christine
You have no me toos. You. You're a loser.
Big J Okerson
I'm not a loser. I'm a nerd. I'm a. I'm a big nerd.
Christine
You're a big nerd. That has no, Me too.
Big J Okerson
No, dude. I'm insecure as. Dude, And I'm so afraid of a girl being uncomfortable. And I'm like, oh, ex. Why would I think you'd be here? I'm a dumb fat idiot. Why would you want to fuck me?
Robert Kelly
They really have to be clear. And I know from experience you should be very clear.
Big J Okerson
You have to be clear with the big guy. Everybody. Now, before we take a break, let me know, are you prepared for the future with prep? Cuz Jacob here has been taking prep for two weeks. And Jacob, non stop cream pies up your ass AIDS free. Am I right?
Christine
Great job, great job, Great job.
Robert Kelly
Jacob. I have a note. Somebody, one of our friends, Aaron told us she texted and said Hulu does not do targeted ads. It goes the same to everybody.
Christine
What?
Jacob
Then everyone's getting it.
Robert Kelly
Wow, Christine's neighborhood.
Jacob
There you go.
Big J Okerson
Wow, Christine. That was.
Christine
Hey, Chris.
Big J Okerson
Super fun.
Christine
Hey, do you fact check the whole show at the end?
Big J Okerson
The was that you just killed the prep joke.
Christine
All right, listen, Big J, what a choice. He's going to be in Atlanta, Nashville. Me and him are going to be in Nashville and go to YouTube.com bigjokerson to watch them. And they is premiering very soon. Check me out in Nashville on the 9th. I got a show. You guys are the best.
Big J Okerson
I'm so. I'm sure. Robert Kelly.
Christine
I don't want to be plugged to this. I don't want to be connected.
Big J Okerson
We'll see you tomorrow. What the was that?
Podcast Summary: The Bonfire with Big Jay Oakerson and Robert Kelly – Episode: "Young and Dippy"
Release Date: April 1, 2025
In the "Young and Dippy" episode of The Bonfire with Big Jay Oakerson and Robert Kelly, listeners are treated to a candid and humorous discussion that traverses topics from everyday anecdotes to sensitive issues surrounding sexual relationships and the impact of social media on personal interactions. The episode features Big Jay Oakerson, Robert Kelly, Jacob, and guest Christine engaging in lively conversations, interspersed with personal stories and insightful commentary.
The episode kicks off with playful exchanges about everyday scenarios, such as borrowing items and the quirks of personal belongings.
The group teases each other about eating habits and personal preferences, setting a relaxed and engaging tone for the conversation.
A significant portion of the discussion revolves around clothing, particularly the discomfort of wearing jeans versus sweatpants on planes.
Robert Kelly remarks on the practicality of sweatpants:
“Until Jay told me to wear sweatpants on the plane, I never considered ... It's very uncomfortable to wear jeans.” (05:04)
Big Jay Oakerson delves into the challenges of certain underwear designs:
“... I have ones that are a little firmer. But I got the two pairs I got that were Cotton are very, very comfortable. But my dick and balls really go through that hole and they really get jostled around.” (03:08)
The conversation highlights the balance between comfort and functionality in everyday attire, especially in settings like air travel.
The tone shifts as the hosts address recent allegations against Joe Gatto from Impractical Jokers, discussing the nuances of consent, age differences, and the role of social media in these situations.
Big Jay Oakerson questions the nature of the allegations:
“I don't think his issue is assaulting women. I think it's not what he strikes me as the issue.” (09:56)
Christine expresses concern over the legal and moral implications:
“Marriage has an open relationship where the guy gets to go bang 19 year olds and it's okay with his 40 year old wife.” (11:35)
The hosts debate whether the interactions qualify as sexual assault, considering factors like the accusers' ages (primarily 19-20) and consent while intoxicated. They also explore the repercussions of such allegations in the public eye, emphasizing the role of social media in amplifying these incidents.
The conversation underscores the complexities of power dynamics, consent, and the legal frameworks surrounding such allegations.
The discussion advances to the pervasive influence of social media on personal relationships and privacy.
Robert Kelly laments the loss of privacy:
“Once you interact with another human being, it's out of your hands.” (21:02)
Christine condemns the act of sharing private messages:
“If you post a DM, you're a rat. You're a piece of shit.” (36:50)
The hosts critique the modern tendency to expose private interactions online, labeling individuals who do so as untrustworthy ("rats"). They highlight how digital footprints can have lasting impacts on personal reputations and relationships.
Exploring the evolution of sexual norms, the hosts discuss the challenges of maintaining open relationships and the stigmatization of certain sexual behaviors.
Christine shares her perspective on open relationships:
“It's an open relationship where the guy gets to go bang 19 year olds and it's okay with his 40 year old wife.” (11:35)
Big Jay Oakerson emphasizes the importance of mutual understanding:
“You have to be clear with the big guy. Everybody.” (38:43)
The conversation delves into the necessity of clear communication and boundaries within relationships, especially when navigating non-traditional arrangements.
The hosts share personal stories that illustrate the complexities of modern relationships and the pitfalls of casual encounters.
Big Jay Oakerson recounts an uncomfortable experience with a waitress:
“I was just like, I don't want to break the momentum. So I was just like... And then she goes, no, like hit me.” (31:37)
Christine discusses her reluctance toward certain sexual advances:
“I was like, I'm not into it. Because it's like, I don't know where your line is.” (31:15)
These narratives highlight the fine line between consensual interactions and actions that can be misconstrued or lead to unintended consequences.
The episode touches upon the dangers and regrets associated with sexting in the digital era.
Robert Kelly reflects on the absence of sexting in his earlier years:
“Thank God I started dating Jay before ... I didn't have an iPhone until I dated Jay.” (22:33)
Christine expresses frustration with the permanence of digital actions:
“If a girl like that came up, these two girls came after the show and we're like, we want to you. I would be like, you have a fetish.” (35:23)
The hosts lament how technology has transformed private moments into potential public embarrassments, emphasizing the need for discretion and caution in digital interactions.
As the episode draws to a close, the hosts reflect on the importance of understanding boundaries, maintaining privacy, and fostering respectful relationships in an increasingly interconnected world.
Big Jay Oakerson shares a sobering thought:
“Why he's choosing these, like, young ones. It seems to be the whole dumb of it.” (35:22)
Christine emphasizes empathy and respect:
“It's sad to me because sex is. You can't fucking do weird shit anymore.” (35:44)
The episode concludes with a call for greater awareness and responsibility in personal interactions, urging listeners to navigate relationships thoughtfully and respectfully.
Notable Quotes:
“I hate when you borrow something from somebody and you brand ... it's my heart monitor.” – Christine (00:10)
“Until Jay told me to wear sweatpants on the plane, I never considered ... It's very uncomfortable to wear jeans.” – Robert Kelly (05:04)
“I don't think his issue is assaulting women. I think it's not what he strikes me as the issue.” – Big Jay Oakerson (09:56)
“If you post a DM, you're a rat. You're a piece of shit.” – Christine (36:50)
“Why he's choosing these, like, young ones. It seems to be the whole dumb of it.” – Big Jay Oakerson (35:22)
Key Takeaways:
Consent and Age Dynamics: The episode delves deep into the complexities of consent, especially concerning age disparities in relationships, highlighting the importance of clear communication and mutual understanding.
Impact of Social Media: The hosts critique how social media can amplify private issues, leading to public shaming and the erosion of personal privacy.
Changing Sexual Norms: There's a discussion on the evolution of sexual relationships, the challenges of open relationships, and the stigmatization of certain sexual behaviors in modern culture.
Personal Responsibility: Emphasis is placed on the need for individuals to take responsibility for their actions, especially in contexts that can be misconstrued or lead to unintended consequences.
Humor and Sensitivity: Throughout the episode, the hosts balance humor with sensitivity, navigating through heavy topics with a blend of levity and earnestness.
For those interested in more candid conversations covering a wide array of topics, The Bonfire with Big Jay Oakerson and Robert Kelly continues to be a go-to source for entertainment and insightful discussions.