Deb Antney Breaks Her Silence on Da Brat, Gucci Mane & the Claims That Won’t Go Away

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Breakfast Club (July 6, 2026)

Episode: Deb Antney Breaks Her Silence on Da Brat, Gucci Mane & the Claims That Won’t Go Away
Host: Lauren LaRosa (The Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartPodcasts)
Guest: Deb Antney

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Episode Overview

This episode features an in-depth and emotional interview between Lauren LaRosa and renowned music executive Deb Antney. Deb addresses viral allegations from Da Brat regarding the alleged idea theft of a boot camp reality show concept and confronts persistent rumors involving Gucci Mane and claims about her reputation in the industry. The discussion delves into the origins of "Deb's House," her relationships with artists, and the pain caused by the accusations that have dogged her throughout her trailblazing career.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Viral Da Brat Controversy

(03:52–14:00; 16:53–25:30)

• The Alleged Show Theft:

  • Lauren asks Deb about a viral clip in which Da Brat accuses Deb of running with a reality show idea they developed together.
  • Deb's Response: She insists she never stole the concept, clarifying the differences between "Deb's House" and the boot camp show idea with Brat.
    • "Deb's House was you against you, you versus you. ... I wanted to show women how you destroy your own life and stop blaming people. ... I don't stole nothing from nobody. I only give careers. I give you an opportunity to come out of the poverty." (Deb Antney, 05:08–09:57)
  • Timeline Clarification: Deb asserts that after their original boot camp pitch was rejected by the network, she pivoted to "Deb's House," a personal project informed by her lifelong mission to uplift women in music.
    • "The boot camp that me and da Brat was talking about ... it wasn't called Deb's House ... impossible for brat to not know that I was doing Deb's House because the brat was supposed to come on to be a judge. That's facts." (Deb Antney, 05:10–09:47)
  • Deb expresses betrayal and heartbreak at Brat's public statements:
    • "This hurts. ... In a million years, Lauren, I could be the dumbest person on earth. But this is not Brad's doing, okay? And it was something that was coerced." (Deb Antney, 09:57–10:42)

• Deb's House Format and Mission:

  • Describes her show as inwardly focused, without drama or competition among women.
    • "I wanted to show women how you destroy your own life and stop blaming people. ... There was no fighting, no drugs. This is women versing themselves." (Deb Antney, 09:35–10:09)
  • Emphasizes her desire for unity and mentorship among women, contrasting her vision with "Love & Hip Hop"-style shows.

• Reflection on the Relationship with Da Brat:

  • Deb details prior collaborative talks, the effect of their disagreements, and why she refuses to retaliate against Brat.
  • "I'm not gonna ever. I would never disrespect brat like this. When I tell you, Lauren, this hurts me so bad. This hurts me so bad ..." (Deb Antney, 23:20–24:15)

2. Persistent Rumors and Industry Claims

(25:30–39:07)

• Accusations of Stealing Artists (Gucci Mane, Jacob York):

  • Deb responds to recurring claims she "stole" Gucci Mane from Big Cat Records and to speculation from Jacob York.
    • "I don't even know Jacob York, honestly, I promise you, I don't know him. That man ain't never hired me for no job ... I did [it] on my own." (Deb Antney, 25:48–26:55)
  • She recounts her history with Gucci Mane, clarifying how she helped him fulfill community service, and how their professional split happened fully above board with accountants involved.
    • "When me and Gucci separated, Lauren, we separated with accountants, okay?" (Deb Antney, 28:09–28:18)
    • "If there's a lawsuit that he filed against me that I stole from him, let people find it and find where I stole from him at." (Deb Antney, 29:52–29:59)

• Alleged Lawsuits and Settlements:

  • Lauren brings up a reported 2013 lawsuit filed by Gucci Mane against Deb; Deb says she was never officially served or settled, and the case was voluntarily dismissed.
    • "That was never any court proceedings, never anything, Nothing." (Deb Antney, 35:53–35:58)
    • "I promise you. I promise you there wasn't [a settlement]." (Deb Antney, 39:02–39:06)

• Impact on Deb’s Wellbeing:

  • Deb opens up about the emotional toll of constant accusations and betrayals in the music industry.
    • "All of them ... didn't have nothing and lived with me. So what did I take? ... Your love. You understand? I loved on him like he was my own." (Deb Antney, 35:53–37:50)
    • "I beat these streets for these people. I went up against a lot of men ... to get these people the dreams that they had, each one of them." (Deb Antney, 40:24–41:37)

3. Passion for Women’s Empowerment and Philanthropy

(40:16–42:26)

• Why She Stays in the Game:
  • Deb voices her enduring mission to help women, echoing advice from her own family to return to charitable work.
    • "My son just got on me the other day. He said, mom, why you just don't go back to charity?... That's where I've seen you at your happiest." (Deb Antney, 40:24–41:19)
    • "Another thing is that I love women. That's so big for me ... I want that unity with us. Super big. Oh, my God, this is so crazy. I feel this is not good for me." (Deb Antney, 41:19–41:40)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On feeling misunderstood and misrepresented:
  • "I'm tired of being like, come up with something else. ... It's like this. Stealing everything is stealing the artist, stealing the ... now I stole the show ... I ain't never worked for you. I don't even know you." (Deb Antney, 25:30)
• On her relationship with Da Brat:
  • "But those are conversations that we had. Don't do this to me now. To say that I ran away and took something that we had." (Deb Antney, 22:05–23:15)
• On unwavering commitment to uplifting others:
  • "I don't stole nothing from nobody. I only give careers. I give you an opportunity to come out of the poverty, to come out of everything it is that you go through. I give those ideas to people. I give hope to the hopeless, period." (Deb Antney, 09:35)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Da Brat Reality Show Allegation: 03:52–14:00, 16:53–25:30
• Detailed Timeline Discussion: 16:53–18:46
• On Past Collaborations with Brat & Other Shows: 19:13–22:05
• Industry Claims and Gucci Mane Rumors: 25:30–39:27
• Lawsuit Clarification: 35:20–39:27
• Deb's Philosophy on Uplifting Women: 40:16–42:26

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Tone & Style

The conversation is candid, earnest, and often emotional. Deb is passionate and unfiltered, oscillating between pain and pride as she reflects on her career and relationships. Lauren maintains a respectful, probing tone, inviting Deb to clarify, contextualize, and unburden herself publicly for listeners who may only know the headlines.

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Closing Thoughts

This episode offers a raw, behind-the-scenes look at the personal and professional challenges facing a pioneering woman in hip hop management. Deb Antney uses the platform to set the record straight on high-profile controversies, honor her own values, and call for greater solidarity among women in the industry.

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Transcript

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[Deb Anthony]

Excellent. I'm feeling really, really. I'm feeling good.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So this is our first time actually getting a chance to meet. I've reached out to. To you prior on different stories and things like that, but we've never met before. So, you know, thank you for coming

[Deb Anthony]

on the platform and it's my. It's my pleasure. You know, I. I don't have a problem doing something with you, Lauren. Like, especially right now. I don't. I can't think of anybody else that I'd sit down with to even do this interview.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Well, I appreciate that. That means a lot coming from you.

[Deb Anthony]

Yeah, I really don't, you know, so I've done my own homework and I have a lot of people that really hold you in high regards, and that right there means a lot to me. They mean a lot to me. Even though we're actually getting ready to get on with something that hurts me from a person that I so love. Like, I don't understand. I'm confused. So let's get this party started.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm down to get right to it.

[Deb Anthony]

Okay, let's get it started.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Let's talk about it a bit. So you and the brat. There was a clip that went viral with the brat talking about. Talking about a boot camp style show that you guys had pitched or were pitching to a few networks or we're going to begin to pitch a few networks very similar. And it. According to the brat to what, you know, Deb's house is already. And in the clip, she's accusing you of basically taking the remainder of the idea that you guys came up with together and doing it on your own. What is happening?

[Deb Anthony]

I don't know where this came from. We did do on growing up hip hop. Okay. We did have something there that we wanted to do, which was a boot camp show. And we actually filmed a part to see the reaction of the people and what would happen. But the network denied us. Now, the boot camp that me and da Brat was talking about, it was going to be a real camp. Like, a real boot camp. Like, we had went and scouted out the housing where the boot camps was going to be, where they was going to be marching. Like all the. The whole boot camp style thing, we did do that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

When you say it was going to be a real boot camp, because people will argue, well, Deb's house is like a boot camp because those girls.

[Deb Anthony]

Let me. Let me just explain that to you. Let me just say this to you. Deb's House was you against you, you versus you. Dev's House is a show for a lot of years and that's how this all began, even us talking about it. You know, one of my biggest problems, I don't know how to keep my mouth shut. Like, I want to invite everybody into. When I have an idea, I want to invite everybody in. And this whole thing I talked to the brat about, now this is my life, period. This is something that I like doing. I love building artists. That's something that I love doing. I love the Brat because me and the brat was just so close. We was going through a lot of stuff. I don't kind of want to be there to talk about both of our personals at that time and things that we were going through. We were being hit with stuff that we need to make some more money. Let's come up. And I said I came up with the camp, the boot camp at that time. It wasn't called Deb's House because it wasn't about that. This one here, there was no woman versus another woman. But there also was a thing. And I don't want to get so confused up and bottled up in this stuff that as I think about it, because mind you, this was some years ago, impossible for brat to not know that I was doing Deb's House because the brat was supposed to come on to be a judge. That's facts. You can get the network, call them, do whatever. She was supposed to be the judge of that show. But with her doing the Brett and Judy show and as I started reading my emails, I'm remembering when Bret didn't even really want to do that show. That was me going at them because they was trying to be dirty to get them to really do the show to be dirty. So at that time they could go after Judy. And it was a lot of stuff that was going on. I don't really know Judy, so I don't really want to discuss a lot of that stuff either. But it was a lot of rumors that was going on during that time. And the producers at that time were messy. Okay. And I remember going in and going off on them. If you do something to her, you heard her, you make her look bad. She know how all of that went down? Well, she never got to come on to my show, Deb's House to be a guest. She knew all about the show. I called her as far as the saying she seen me and she. And I said hi to her and she just did whatever and not want to talk. Wow. I don't remember that. What I do remember is I thought the brat was still mad at me because I never attended her wedding. I. I had Covid. I had Covid and I never came to the wedding. But I was at the baby shower. I was there. You know, I have text her. She's not lying. I did text to say I missed her, but she never did hit me back. And I didn't understand this in a million years. Lauren. I could be the dumbest person on earth. But this is not Brad's doing, okay? And it was something that was coerced. You could tell why all these years later. This is second season. I'm about to do a third season, and you're just now coming up with I stole the show. Why now let's even go back. You called Brett that you brought him into this, which you wrong, because it wasn't Brett. Brett had nothing to do with this. At that time, there was other people that was in the network that was no longer there because the whole big issue about the black and white thing of WeTV, everybody knows that, okay? He had nothing to do with this. But you made a phone call to him. Why would you not have said, oh, Deb's about to call you. Let me get Deb on the phone right now and call her. You have my numbers. My numbers didn't change. I have all the same numbers, okay? They didn't change. I'm so tired of people using this thing of stealing as an excuse every time. And that's because I don't defend me. I never come in and defend myself when a person said something. Even last week, before her, I guess he got the idea from Jacob York saying, I sold Gucci, man, from him. Okay, so now it's deaths up for Emmy. I gotta. I got a telly award for my reality shows. Okay? There was no fighting, no drugs. This is women versing themselves. I wanted to show women how you destroy your own life and stop blaming people. It's my life. It's what I go through in this game. That's why I'm always the thief. They're always saying that's the famous lines that everybody says, the thief. I don't stole nothing from nobody. I only give careers. I give you an opportunity to come out of the poverty, to come out of everything it is that you go through. I give those ideas to people. I give hope to the hopeless, period. So for her to say that I stole a show, he's wrong. They denied that show. That show was denied Years ago. So why now come up? When I came up with Deb's house, I let Brad know I didn't just do that to her. I love it. You know how bad this is piercing me? This hurts.

[Lauren LaRosa]

You called. You were pitching Deb's house.

[Deb Anthony]

I'm sorry, honey.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I said you. You said you let her know. So you mean you called the brat about Deb's house?

[Deb Anthony]

I told her. She said to me, because I said, I want to take it back to the essence of the beginning. Okay? And this is when, at that time where people could come in all made up, you was really, really training artists. It's development you was getting. So it's like they came to their bear, like maybe a sweatshirt and all that. She said, oh, ain't nobody going to do that. Nobody's going to do that. So we kind of got into it a little bit on the augmented act on growing up hip hop. If people remember, there was a disagreement that we had on the album thing. Brad didn't want to do no music with the artists that were on there. Except Bow Wow. I can't think of who else. I can't think of her name for. Oh, my gosh, she's gonna kill me from grandma. But I always forget her name. Diamond. Diamond, yeah. She would do something maybe with her, like, she had got on there, but she didn't want to do no music with the rest of them because they wasn't up her standards. Well, that was a difference with me, because the music, if I did it with an artist, I would want that artist to do something with another artist. That was something really big for me to show give back. That's a big problem that we have as women. We don't know how to give back. You understand? All we know how to do is fight, fight, fight, fight, fight. No, but each one teach one. And that's the whole gimmick to the whole thing. But we couldn't do that. So guess what? I am not willing to risk my relationship. Well, I wasn't willing to risk my relationship by doing something with her. And we fall out because of that disagreement. That really bothered me, too. Okay. Not saying that it had to go my way because it was both of us. Like, we did come up with some stuff, but that was the boot camp. That was totally different. It had nothing to do with what I did. And I promise you this. This was done on each woman. And you could ask, you could interview every one of them. I didn't do a boot camp type thing. I put them against them. Them versus them. But everybody that came on the show thought we were loving hip hop, thought we was the baddies. They want. You fight, you fight. You off drugs, you off any of these things you had to get off. But each one had to love each other. I don't make women go up against each other. That ain't never been my thing.

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What about the, like the clarify of the timeline?

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Because when I watched it and like she's showing like the when I watched the episode and she's and the brat is showing the pitch deck and all the different things and she says the same thing you said. Like it was not totally my idea. We brought ideas together and it Was going to be something we did together. It seems like at the time where you decided to say, okay, the network dropped this. When was that? Like, what year? What month? Do you remember?

[Deb Anthony]

That was like 22.

[Lauren LaRosa]

And then you pitch Deb how. So that gets denied by the network. You pitch Deb's house, and they pick it up. What year was your first season picked up?

[Deb Anthony]

When was my first season? Okay, you have to remember when you talk about it, there's a whole year that go by. So I think it was like 21, 22. Then I did Deb's house, the first one. Dag. I don't even remember. What's this? 26. Let me look. See when I did the first one?

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Got you. Okay. Because. What. What did it. What? The way that the. The way that she, like, mentions it by starting out with, okay, we had this idea together, and then Deb's house came about. What it sounds like is even that

[Deb Anthony]

didn't come about like that.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Okay. You get what I'm saying, though? Like, the timeline, I think, is what she's pointing to is. And she's saying that if there was an idea, even if loosely close to what you did, she felt like whatever came after that should have been both of you guys included because of the joint ideas that y' all had.

[Deb Anthony]

But LaRosa, listen, Lauren, I promise you on everything I love, Brad knew about Deb's house. I promise you, on everything I love, we the same network. How would she not know I'm doing Deb's house? How would she not know at the same time, y', all in the other song, we talked.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Got you. Okay.

[Deb Anthony]

She was supposed to been a judge on there, but she was doing the Brett and Judy show. One thing about Brett, Brett, I mean, she got on this nation. Why should I bring this to this nation? Why? Why did she not bring this to this nation? Why did she not bring me on there? Why did she not bring me on her show and say what she had to say to me right then and there? Why did she not call me on the phone? I've even called her still now after this.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm sorry, you called her after this clip went viral?

[Deb Anthony]

Yeah. Once I woke up that morning, people been calling me like crazy because everybody know how much I love the brat. They know how much respect I have for her. People don't believe this. And then it's like, I don't want to hear the stuff that. What they got to say. And then because you got a personal feeling against somebody Else. You understand what I'm saying? It's like why I called her. Just why? Why would you do this? Why would you lie on me with this? Because y' all are on Facebook now. Is it because you need clicks? Is it because you need something to talk about? Why would you do that to me? You know, I would have rocked with you or whatever. You could have told me, Jeff, I need you for this. I did it. Yes. You're the brat. I'm not gonna take anything away from that excellent artist. Love her, but that's what I do. I really do. This should have come up. I came up with. I've been had this idea. I did a show a long time ago that she came up for me with. Phone crusher, her, all that. That's how the little girl, the kids came. Not accusing your man to free, but I have tape that have those kids on what I did because the adults did better than the kids. I said, damn, I should do the kids instead of the adults because the kids did better than the adults. Next thing I know, that show came on. Did I come on and say you stole my show? No, I did not. I came up with an idea of I can't. What's that show in New Orleans? I was supposed to do it at a club in Atlanta, that showcase. Did I say y' all stole my show? We was ready to move with that until that show came about the show in New Orleans. I run around saying that everybody comes up with something. If that's the case, then the boot camps from all the other shows was taken. Then all those things was taken away. Everybody comes up with something. But for a very long time, I have a lot of people that could vouch for that. I have stuff for a long time that I put together that I've been wanting to do a show with women, to teach women from the beginning how you care your life if you destroy yourself as an artist and how to focus the longevity in this, the do's and the don'ts, the stuff that don't go on today. It's the things that I've been wanting to do with the artist. I don't want to tell them what to do. I don't rap, I don't sing. But I know how to get that money. I know how to put those things together.

[Lauren LaRosa]

When you. When you. So when. When the brat knew, right? So you guys have this idea, it doesn't work out. The network says no. You then go put your own idea. At the same time, you're pitching these, and you Said that the brat knew that. What was the conversation, y', all, when you told her, hey, I'm doing Deb's house over here? Here's what the idea is like. What was that conversation like then? Because it's

[Deb Anthony]

Lauren. I don't want to sit up here and lie and say that I remember the full conversation. But there was blessings because she was going to be on the show. She was going to be on the show. The network even knew that. But she was doing a Brett and Judy show. And mind you, at that time, brat really didn't want her life out there like that. So she was so focused on that. And it was the wedding stuff. It was a lot of stuff that was going on. Now, I hope she don't get amnesia about the many things that we talked about, but I can't see, because that, to me, is personal. That was conversations between us, okay? Regardless of what's going on now, I'll take every hit. I'll take whatever. But those are conversations that we had. Don't do this to me now. To say that I ran away and took something that we had. When I could bring a bunch of people that know from 2014, 2013, start calling me about this show that I pitch. Willie, I still could tell you it's a whole bunch of people I've been wanting to do this. Damon John could tell you I've been wanting to do something like this. This is nothing new for me. That was why I went in the way I went in for Nikki, because it was a big thing for me with women. I wanted to have nothing but a bunch of women that I could train. And that's just real. I'm not gonna take nothing from her. I'm not gonna ever. I would never disrespect brat like this. When I tell you. When I tell you, Lauren, this hurts me so bad. This hurts me so bad that it's like, if she did this. When I knew the playgrounds that I'm playing on, and I knew that some of the people that I once would love would turn into my phone, that I'm gonna go through this. This is spiritual stuff that goes on, okay? Never did I see this from her. Her mother's a beautiful person. You know what I'm saying? Her sister just played my mom. Like, I got so much respect for her. It's pathetic. But for her to do this, to say I stole a show from her that I came up with, mind you. Of course she put her say so in after because she didn't like the way I was doing it. But the brat is an artist. I'm not an artist. I don't think the same way she thinks. We don't think alike with some of that stuff. It is just as simple as that. I promise I didn't take nothing from her.

[Lauren LaRosa]

So she's watching this right now. I know you said you reached out to her. She didn't pick up the phone. But if she's watching this, what were you gonna say to her on the phone? What's your message to her?

[Deb Anthony]

Okay. Why, Brad? Why did you not call me? Why did you not have a conversation with me? And that whole thing was scripted. I'm in tv. I could tell my show, too, was not scripted. What you seen was what you got. It was real, real time. No second takes. Anybody that was on there, there was not one second take that was on either one of those shows. And I got a people's award. The way I did it, the other show would have been fight. There would have been a whole bunch of chaos. Cause everybody was so into loving hip hop. That ain't my thing. That's not it. I don't want to be that person, and I don't want to keep being everybody's teeth either. I'm tired of being like, come up with a. Come up with something else.

[Lauren LaRosa]

When you say being everybody's tv, you talk about the. The whole you taking or stealing conversation.

[Audiobook Narrator]

Yeah.

[Deb Anthony]

It's like this. Stealing everything is stealing the artist, stealing the. The. Now I stole the show down. You know, the week before, it was Jacob York. Y' all still trying to say, I don't even know that man to him to say he gave me a job. You didn't give me no job. I ain't never worked for you. I don't even know you.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Because your relationship with Gucci Mane to remind people who might not have, you know, known from the beginning, talk about, like, actually how that happened, because I know that's what they're talking about with the artist thing, with the, you know, Jacob York.

[Deb Anthony]

Okay? So what he. What he didn't lie about is Vicki did come to me about Gucci getting community service. I worked with children, okay? And at that time, I was doing lots of child referral. I worked for the Department of Family and Children's Services. I was working with Ludacris, right? That's before the Ludacris foundation even came up. And we were starting to put that stuff together for the foundation. And Vicki came to me, and she said, deb, she needed Gucci to show up for some kids because he needed community service. But after that, he wouldn't stop calling me. Six o' clock in the morning, you want to go to breakfast? You want to do this? He was talking, and we was coming up with, like, a lot of ideas. Now he was going to leave Big Cat. And as far as I knew, Jacob York was Big Cat's consultant. But big cat got 35, 000 for Gucci because they was trying to take Gucci. The network was gonna just. I'm not gonna network. I'm sorry. The label was just gonna take Gucci and he was gonna go. And Cat got 35,000. Ain't no Jimmy Henchman did nothing. I don't know where he got that from. Teddy is my niece's father. So, you know, that's how that came about. For me to even get to Jimmy Henchman. All the rest of the stuff, I don't even know. I don't even know Jacob York, honestly, I promise you, I don't know him. That man ain't never hired me for no job to be no product meth. I never worked for anybody. Every one of these people I did on my own. I ain't never had no help. I never had an investor. I never had nobody to help me. I never had any of this stuff. All those artists I did on my own, on my own dime. So the stories that people keep saying, you know, O.J. i took millions of dollars. I took me. You never made millions of dollars in this industry, and you never was signed to Gucci Mane. He was signed to me. Gucci didn't want him signed. He told Darren, don't sign him.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Wasn't there a lawsuit back in, like, 2013, before Gucci got locked up that time with. With that Gucci had filed with you? And he was saying that, too, that there was money taken.

[Deb Anthony]

I don't have it. Listen, people came up with that story that said that there was money that was taken. When me and Gucci separated, Lauren, we separated with accountants, okay? Gucci said to me, auntie, if I go into the rehab, would you help me have my own company? He said, I want people to respect me like they'd be respecting you. I said, you got to stay clean. When he did his 90 and 90, I never forget me. And my brother was inside here. He got his chip, and I hugged him and I said, you're ready. And that's when 1017 was built, okay? That's when it was built. I didn't take. Sweetheart, I never had to take nothing from him. Anything I've ever wanted that he had, if he had it, I could get it. He would do anything for me at that time. Why he would run out and tell that lie, I don't know. But he told me, he said, auntie, I want to find a strong woman like you. And I remember when Keisha used to come to different things that we did. We did a charitable event. He cursed that girl out so bad, and I. I cussed him out to make him respect her, but not because I knew they was going to be together. He was actually with somebody else at that time, but she was trying to get with him. I know lots of stuff as far as that of how she's trying to get in there to get with him. When that book was written and they said this stuff, I never read the book, but I've never heard him say anything himself. But other people said, how did you come in to say that she was doing something to me? If there's a lawsuit that he filed against me that I stole from him, let people find it and find where I stole from him at.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I've never seen the documents, but I know that there was a TMZ story back in, like, 23. That's what. That's what I'm referencing.

[Deb Anthony]

No, I know. I understand that, but I never got no lawsuit papers. People, okay? They needed me. I was a threat. I don't want to see, like, no. You know one thing. That's why I never wanted to do these interviews. I don't want to be like, no damsel in distress, okay? Because I can handle this. Trust me, I can handle it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

That you can hear.

[Deb Anthony]

Yeah. Like, they needed me out the way. And I don't have a problem saying people's names, because at that time, back then, I did the interview. That's why me and Coach K didn't get along. Okay? And Todd Moskowitz, know what he did to pay. Get her out the way. Because they couldn't do nothing to him that they wanted to do with me there. But they knew they could flash money. Because that's one thing about Gucci is that money. He don't play when it comes to that money. All right? That's one thing about him. Get her out the way. Because I had too much influence. I was, like, the longest person, the person they listen to the most. We were like Barney and Clyde. That was my partner. If I was a thief, he's collecting money from records now that belong to both of us. There's things that belong to both of us. I could have gotten that I could be going after him.

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[Lauren LaRosa]

If it wasn't about money, then, and you've probably been asked this question like 30,000 times, if it wasn't about money, like, what? What is the disconnection with. Because it seems like, you know, you were there during the times that people really wouldn't even have understood what he needed and you understood it. What is the disconnection? Because I know you guys still aren't in communication, right?

[Deb Anthony]

No, no.

[Lauren LaRosa]

What is it? What's the issue if the money thing didn't happen? There was the lawsuit filing in, in 2013. I don't even know what even happened with that. But you say you didn't receive documents, so there was never any court proceedings, never anything, Nothing.

[Deb Anthony]

I Promise you on everything I love. The only proceeding that I had to go to was a girl trying to sue me for $5,000 for being pregnant by him. And I was the manager. So I'm the person that handled everything at that time. Other than that, anything against him, it wasn't there. Lauren put me in the room with everyone I can stand before anybody. I never took nothing from him. Never. Never. I never done nothing but love on him. When nobody else wanted to be bothered, I was there. And that's the thing that gets me that. How? Well, people forget the position that all these people were in, but I entered a lot of rooms that he stole out of that I got set up to go into. And not knowing what I'm going into, what's my life for these people? Like, every one of them, I went through something with, and that's just real, like, literally risk my life. How could you take some people that didn't have anything? All of them that I've gotten didn't have nothing and lived with me. So what did I take? What did I. I'm charged to that. What did I take from you? Your love. You understand? I loved on him like he was my own. It hurt. I can't tell you a disconnect when you don't have love for your own mother. And this is something that I need to take heed to, even with each one of them. When you disrespect your own parents, your own mother and do the things that you do, then who am I? Who am I? I still. I still be with his son to this day. The first son that he had. Still have a relationship with him, still have a relationship with his family. All in Alabama. All of them love me. Everybody, too. We still have relationships. I still have love. I don't never want to see anything happen to any of them. But why did you listen to people? It's not them. It's the people that they were around that did this stuff. That's so dirt on her. I watched one of them call on the phone to what's her name, the white girl that did, huh? Hold that thought right there, Deb.

[HIV Prevention Advocate]

All right?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I wanna.

[Deb Anthony]

I wanna allow Lauren to get her questioning.

[Audiobook Narrator]

I think we.

[Deb Anthony]

We, we. Is there more you need on the Gucci thing, Lauren?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I was just gonna say I. I looked it up on. Online, on Pacer, and according to the court record, it was voluntarily dismissed by Roderick Davis, which is Gucci, man. So I was gonna ask, do you like, when the dismissal happened?

[Deb Anthony]

Like, what.

[Lauren LaRosa]

How did y' all get there.

[Deb Anthony]

Because it's never got a paper. That's what I'm trying to tell you. I've never. If you see, I never was served. Why would he voluntarily dismiss it? Why? If I stole from him, why did he voluntarily dismiss it?

[Lauren LaRosa]

I think people thought that there was a settlement of some sort at the time.

[Deb Anthony]

I promise you. I promise you there wasn't.

[HIV Prevention Advocate]

Why.

[Deb Anthony]

Why was it voluntarily dismissed if I stole from him? Why. So if it was a lawsuit, I promised Lauren. I don't have no papers. I have no papers to that or nothing. When did he. When did he file it and when was it dismissed?

[Lauren LaRosa]

So it was filed in November of 2013, and it was dismissed in January. In March of. Yeah. The notice of voluntary Dismissal was submitted March 12, 2014, by my birthday. Yeah. By Roderick Davis and Michael Armour, who I believe is.

[Deb Anthony]

Yeah.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Was his representation at the time.

[Deb Anthony]

Is that the man that died? I wonder if that's. I'm not really sure if that's the lawyer that died that took everything that I. That he came back to me, and I had to go get all his stuff back again for him. So I don't. I don't. I'm gonna tell you that there was no settlement. I'll tell you. There was no settlement. None. None.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I know you probably be tired of the music industry business. I don't know how you be doing these shows. There's a lot here, huh?

[Deb Anthony]

You know, one of the things that I was told is the playground that I'm dealing with. And I understand that, you know, but I asked myself a lot of times why you keep doing this, why you keep getting into this? And my son just got on me the other day. He said, mom, why you just don't go back to charity? Like, that's what I've seen you at your happiest when you was doing for women and children and you were doing things for them. But some kind of way I felt I could save us somewhat. That's a big problem. Not just. That's the Pisces in me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like a save. And another thing is that I love women. That's so big for me. Like, I really want us to stand on what we need to stand on. Like, that's really big. I want that unity with us. Super big. Oh, my God, this is so crazy. I feel this is not good for me. I don't do this. I. I don't. I can't argue with people. I can't. I can't do this. Internet stuff. You gotta watch the sound bites. People will take it and run because the tension span of people is so low. But I came in in an era when they didn't have all of this. And I beat these streets for these people. I went up against a lot of men, a lot of men alone, alone, to push my way through, to get these people. The dreams that they had, each one of them, they all could recall some serious situations. I don't been through the shootouts. I've been through it all. I ain't stopped. I'd have been through the threats. I'd have been to the, oh, we don't deal with you no more if you deal with this person. And you went from dealing with me to dealing with that person and leaving me alone.

[Lauren LaRosa]

All right, y'.

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